# His Man 4 Episode 14 Recap, His Man Sandoval

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## Transcript

[0:00] Before we go into mess. Yes, before the mess.
[0:02] What do you think about the season?
[0:04] Listen, the and the gag is was really good.
[0:07] This is for sure my least favorite season of The Four
[0:10] Seasons. I don't know how they would have
[0:12] done this any other way. It's a really hard season to
[0:15] kind of like sink your teeth into because there's so much
[0:19] that we aren't Privy to, which again, isn't normal for this
[0:24] program. Welcome back to another episode
[0:32] of Boys Love, Boys Love. This week we are recapping the
[0:35] finale of Season 4 of His Man episode 14.
[0:38] And as always, I'm Adam. And I'm RJ, welcome back.
[0:41] We did it. We finally made it to the we're.
[0:43] Here we did it, thank God. A weeks worth of shoots expanded
[0:49] into. 8-8 weeks. Of us talking, yapping away,
[0:55] yapping and talking. OK some comments from our For
[0:58] episodes 12 to 13, the compound is 100% too big.
[1:03] Having everyone spread over three houses is negatively
[1:05] affecting the ability to participants to interact and
[1:08] even isolating some of them like Sumin.
[1:09] Poor Sumin. Yeah, I agree.
[1:12] I think I also am so shocked that they didn't like rearrange
[1:18] them halfway. Because yeah, I remember in the
[1:20] last one there was because we had to move in the attic with.
[1:24] What's his face? Yeah, yeah.
[1:26] I feel like every other season they've always like halfway
[1:28] through the week, they like reshuffle again.
[1:31] I just, I do think they're, they just did like.
[1:33] When Minsang came in, they moved and that was it.
[1:35] Yeah, I think some things they just were like, let's not bother
[1:38] with that because we've already done this once literally a few
[1:41] months ago, that is it even worth doing some of these
[1:45] things? That's just what it feels like
[1:47] Min song coming back is like BB coming back for All Stars 3 like
[1:51] you already won, girl. Didn't you have the best
[1:53] reigning? Didn't have the best reigning
[1:55] after the show, but you won. That's true.
[1:58] And he won again. He's he really is the he's the
[2:01] Jinx monsoon. I think they both.
[2:05] Are they both? Are they both have both won
[2:07] twice? Technically, yeah.
[2:09] Hung Guil might be my favorite personality on the His Man
[2:12] series. Wow of in an entire.
[2:15] Everything. He is such an icon even if I
[2:17] don't agree with his choices LMAO.
[2:19] He is unique. I don't think there's ever been
[2:21] a contestant like him before. Yeah.
[2:24] He feels the most not putting a facade on for the show.
[2:31] Like, out of all of the contestants, he feels the most
[2:33] like I'm truly being myself. Even in the parts where it's
[2:36] like, I'm how I decide, like who to date and whatever.
[2:40] Sure. Like, yeah.
[2:41] Sure, I think I. I think Tai Chi does a good job
[2:45] too of being himself, but sure Hanga feels the most real.
[2:50] I think Hangao just might this a dating show might not be the
[2:54] best venture for Hangao to find the person he wants to be with.
[2:57] That's true. That's.
[2:58] True. OK guys, after you finish this,
[3:00] I need you guys to react the drama after the show because
[3:03] it's really messy. And don't worry Adam, because
[3:05] our moderators, the three CS, have compiled every moment that
[3:12] has happened. What since the show finished?
[3:15] God. OK.
[3:16] So we'll dig into that after. After the recap, OK, so we pick
[3:21] up from where we left off. The Super dates.
[3:25] We were on the date day, the last final date day.
[3:29] We've got hyung, Jun and Minsung get a date together.
[3:34] No surprise here. I.
[3:34] Think technically, Hyung Jung and Minsung asked for this from
[3:39] each other. Yeah, they requested each other,
[3:41] so they got a little nice date. Period and a story.
[3:45] Nothing new. There's nothing new in this in
[3:48] this final episode. I know these last dates are
[3:51] nothing new. All of these things have already
[3:54] been said. Literally the last episode.
[3:58] We had Suman and Sanok had a date.
[4:01] OK, This was a chance to be like, well, diva, that's it.
[4:05] OK, here's my hot tape. Suman.
[4:07] I think I was going to say this for the end, but I'll just say
[4:09] it now. If I had to vote for who I think
[4:13] did the best, all 11 contestants, I would pick Sonuk.
[4:18] Oh sonuk. OK.
[4:20] Because honestly, while I was riding hard for Yunjay, I think
[4:26] Sonuk was really gracious towards Suman the whole time.
[4:31] I don't think he ever led him on purposefully.
[4:35] And I like, I I feel like he was always like, I was very clear
[4:38] that I was calling to express gratitude or whatever.
[4:40] Like the first night he clearly went out to Hyunjun and kind of
[4:44] nailed that down. But he never like, made Suman
[4:47] feel like. And he was, he wasn't, he wasn't
[4:50] mean to him, but he wasn't also, like, leading him on and being
[4:53] like, well, maybe right. Like he didn't play it that way
[4:56] either. Yeah.
[4:57] Which Hyunjun? Kind of.
[4:59] Did with both of them. And he obviously won.
[5:05] I mean, I, I think if like who does the best on the show?
[5:07] I think you have to pick one of the four winners technically.
[5:10] So I think I would pick Sanuk of the four of them because Min son
[5:13] comes in and just like goes Gaga immediately.
[5:18] But I think like other things throughout it, like he kind of
[5:23] like joked around with Tai Chi and like LED Tai Chi to like not
[5:29] do things that Tai chi probably would like.
[5:30] You would have maybe tried to seek a date with him and I
[5:34] don't, I don't think that necessarily he did that on
[5:36] purpose, but I think that just like kind of.
[5:38] Happened. I think like everything Sanuk
[5:40] did, he never really like went after you and Jay, he never like
[5:44] was upset with him per SE specifically.
[5:47] Well, on camera. But he, like, I, I just think
[5:54] like, I was very impressed with how he handled himself and he,
[6:00] he played the game. Yeah, correctly, yes.
[6:04] I think he's the one when we talk about like, is there a
[6:06] balance to like not be mean to the ones that you aren't into,
[6:13] but like you still want to honor like that they like you and
[6:15] stuff. And I I do think Sonic did a
[6:17] good job. I think for some people it
[6:19] probably just isn't like it was too quote UN quote, like flighty
[6:24] or indecisive or whatever, Like just cut it off cleanly because
[6:27] I think that's how some people also respond to the show.
[6:30] Like just cut them off right now 'cause then they quote UN quote,
[6:34] won't waste their time. But I think with Zoom in, he had
[6:37] a really good it. It was more of a personal
[6:42] challenge for him more than anything.
[6:44] Sure. Can I actually, can I actually
[6:46] follow through with my feelings even though I know that it won't
[6:50] end up like that. It's more about me learning
[6:54] myself and trusting my feelings. Yeah.
[6:57] And like, yes. And for them, like for the first
[7:02] one, pushing them down. Yeah.
[7:04] So their conversation is pretty much the same.
[7:07] There's nothing new there. Hyunjun and Sanuk get a date.
[7:09] There's nothing really new decided there except for Sanuk
[7:13] being like, I heard you held hands and I didn't like that.
[7:16] Yes. Just fair.
[7:20] Yeah. So that that happens, Yeah.
[7:26] They played that clip again of Hyunjay or of Hyunjay holding
[7:29] his hands, Hyunjin's hand. And he really is like, he goes
[7:33] hold my hand and Hyunjin just goes for it.
[7:36] And then like as he does it, like Hyunjay is like, he's like,
[7:39] God, I can't believe I'm doing this.
[7:41] But if you watch his hand, he's fully like trying to grab this
[7:46] MIT of a hand, his tiny little hand on this giant bear claw.
[7:53] Woo. Speaking of you and J, you and J
[7:57] also gets a date with Young June.
[7:59] Again, nothing new is said. And then Suman and Min Song get
[8:05] the special date, super date, the Super date.
[8:09] Which all these three dates for min song was just in the same
[8:12] place? There.
[8:13] Were always like musical. Chairs.
[8:14] I thought the Super date was gonna be like and then you get
[8:17] an extra special. Date.
[8:18] That's what I thought too. I thought it was gonna be like
[8:20] the camper, like in season 2 or something.
[8:22] Like a nice you get to go. Out at night, Yeah, You get to
[8:26] go out. Something I didn't think it was
[8:27] just you all, you could just have another private
[8:30] conversation. Another 30 minute date because
[8:32] UJ says it's like they all just take 30.
[8:34] Minutes because Minsong won. He just he doesn't have anyone
[8:39] else to pick to Like he's not deciding between two people.
[8:42] No, really, this isn't the season of that, but he's not
[8:46] he's for sure not deciding between two people.
[8:49] So he just picks Suman Cause they were like they had nice
[8:54] conversations and then they they kind of knew each other before
[8:58] the show. Started well, Adam Suman
[9:02] basically laid it out for you officially now and was basically
[9:06] like you Minsong. You're not the girl who we
[9:08] thought you were. You're not the same girl
[9:11] anymore. Suman Suman did tell Minsong
[9:13] that he seemed he seemed different than his previous.
[9:15] Season yeah 'cause Suman said I was a fan in Season 2 and like,
[9:19] and then he said I was a fan of you in Season 2 and Minsong said
[9:23] oh, so you like guys had like fuller faces and Suen was like
[9:27] no, no, no I mean like I it doesn't really it's not really
[9:30] important to me, which I think just double s down on our theory
[9:33] that like Minsong got his groove back, you know, he felt a little
[9:37] he felt a little skinny Mariah Carey sure and was like, I'm
[9:41] ready to do this again 'cause I. Sure.
[9:43] I think he watched. I'm looking.
[9:44] Great and feeling gorgeous. And probably like I feel like
[9:48] also like Queens have talked about from Drag Race being like
[9:51] it's very weird to see yourself on screen because you are in
[9:56] your head in a very different way than you appear on camera.
[10:00] And I'm sure for a multitude of reasons, he didn't like how that
[10:04] season went or would have preferred it a different way or
[10:08] XYZ from I think from the things that happened in that season and
[10:12] what came after that season to also like, I think probably he
[10:15] just like decided he wanted like a different body and he.
[10:23] Took the substance, Yeah. So his Season 2 body is laying
[10:28] in the bathroom. Somewhere yeah he his season 2
[10:31] body is the yellow coat on No, I just mean like I think he
[10:33] probably watched it back and was like oh whatever.
[10:36] He had a decision. He he came to a decision where
[10:39] he was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, yeah, tone down whatever.
[10:44] Yeah. And he very much, it's very
[10:46] clear that he thinks he looks really good right now.
[10:50] I also I mean I think. I think he does, yeah.
[10:52] I thought he looked cute then, yeah.
[10:54] But yeah, it's given him a confidence this season that I do
[11:00] not think he had last season. Yeah, I agree.
[11:01] If not even confidence, just like.
[11:04] I think it's confident. He went for it so hard in a way
[11:07] that I think you can only do if you are like, I'm very assured
[11:10] that I look good, I feel good, I feel great.
[11:14] I'm looking good and I'm feeling gorgeous.
[11:16] Yes, yeah. So that was their conversation.
[11:23] What a great. Don't know.
[11:24] Don't know how I felt about the Super.
[11:25] Date, he literally wrote in his diary later.
[11:27] I picked Sun Min. I was told to.
[11:29] I was told to pick someone else so I just picked Sun Min.
[11:32] Yep, he couldn't even pick hyung Jun again.
[11:35] Yeah, that's so funny. Cuz then at that point I just
[11:37] picked just give me a full date, give me a full hour date.
[11:40] Let us go somewhere. Well OK, after all the dates
[11:46] it's the final night so they go swimming.
[11:48] A minsun gets sick. Minsun has a cold.
[11:50] We think Tai Chi gave him the cold.
[11:52] Probably. Probably.
[11:53] So the boys go swimming and then they have a BBQ party and this
[11:57] is all really nice and they seem like friends and it's all sweet.
[12:00] Yeah, great, great, great. Yingji gets a little drunk.
[12:05] Yingji gets a little drunk. Him and Tai Chi are still
[12:08] kicking. Yeah.
[12:09] Which is fun, yeah. And like later, they make.
[12:13] Guys, I don't have anything to say about the.
[12:14] I know they later make a Tai chi makes a comment though.
[12:17] Like I really enjoyed my time with you and Jay.
[12:19] Like we had so much fun together.
[12:21] I was like, oh, wish I saw it, wish I saw the footage.
[12:25] Yeah, I do. Yeah.
[12:27] Yeah, that's it. That's all.
[12:29] OK, So now it's the final day. OK, officially a fish.
[12:34] So we are going to do our final choices and the way we do it is
[12:39] we are going to place our love Diaries, remember those into the
[12:44] into the mailboxes of the boys who we want to be with in the
[12:48] end. So each of them have 8 choices
[12:52] and then they go to where production sends them and then
[12:56] they decide if they want to or whatever.
[12:58] So first one you see is Umm Hyuk Chin, he chose Hengyou.
[13:02] This was not a surprise. They have a brief phone call
[13:05] where Umihak Jin says like, I still like you, It's been you
[13:08] the whole time. I really liked you this week.
[13:11] And Hanggel's like, sorry, babe, I'm not choosing you.
[13:16] Good luck. I think you're cool.
[13:17] Yes. Yeah.
[13:19] But that's all I feel. And we were like, we have no
[13:22] clue who Hanggel chose. Correct, He chose himself.
[13:26] He chose himself. They we made it a joke that
[13:29] like. I bet he just chose himself.
[13:30] They had an unnamed mailbox. Not the mailbox of the unmarked
[13:35] man. Yes.
[13:37] So he chose nobody purposefully. So that's hung y'all.
[13:41] So that's Hutchin and hung y'all.
[13:43] Tai Chi chose nobody. Tai Chi Also Tai chi when I sat
[13:47] in her chair, looked at his phone and then walked away.
[13:50] And then you and Jay chose nobody.
[13:52] You and Jay also chose nobody. OK now then you and Jay in the
[13:56] Thing says I was really having a hard time figuring out who I was
[13:59] going to choose. I didn't want to feel like I was
[14:01] burdening anyone. It wasn't until Sanyuk and Hyun
[14:04] Jun talked to me. Yes.
[14:07] And then I felt like resolved that like yes, I shouldn't pick
[14:10] anyone or whatever, that I think it's OK that I pick no one.
[14:13] It seems. Now what was that discussion?
[14:16] I'm curious if that was like, he meant there was a specific
[14:19] conversation that they came up to him and had.
[14:22] Yeah. Or if he just meant like over
[14:24] the week. Over the week it's been clear,
[14:26] based on the things they've said to me, that it.
[14:28] My theory is that during that night, they both talked to him
[14:32] and was like, just so you know, we're probably going to pick
[14:34] each other because you and Jay has been so like, I don't want
[14:38] to burden Sonic. I feel bad for Sonic.
[14:40] Like I don't want to like hurt him because I really like him as
[14:42] a. Friend and I also think that
[14:43] hyung Joon felt bad about you and Jay.
[14:47] Liking himself, yes, yeah, yeah. And I think they were both, I
[14:51] mean, everyone in the house could see how like you and Jay
[14:54] was kind of spiraling because it's like he keeps being, he
[14:57] keeps playing over the fact that I should have acted faster,
[15:01] blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's like you were not able
[15:03] to compete with Sonuk cause Sonuk would have given that card
[15:06] even if he gave that card day three, day four and he 100 and
[15:10] would be like Yep. Because they already had a
[15:12] shared history. Because they already had a
[15:14] history 7 days. Which I'll get to in my critique
[15:16] of the season. So then Suman picks Sonuk, and
[15:21] Sonuk says thank you but no thank you.
[15:23] But again, I think this is just a proof to Suman that he was
[15:27] like, I can go through with it and be be courageous.
[15:29] And do this, yes. Yeah, Suman does walk away being
[15:32] like, I feel good, like he's happy.
[15:35] I'm happy that he's happy. And even though, you know, it's
[15:38] a shame, I like did this for myself.
[15:41] And then finally, the two couples are the obvious couples.
[15:44] It's Sano Kyun Jun and Hyung Jun and Min Sung.
[15:48] Yep, and they walk together hand in hand in the end.
[15:52] Sanok and Hyunjun hold hands, they hug, they hug.
[15:58] Hyungjun and Minsung give a little kiss on the cheek.
[16:01] They share a little smooch. They're clear.
[16:05] I mean I would say Minsung and Hyungjun are very clearly
[16:09] smitten. It's giving the way that Daishun
[16:15] were smitten with each other, sure, there's that kind of like
[16:17] instant chemistry, sure. And they kind of like talk and
[16:22] like it was really sweet. Like them like admitting to each
[16:26] other, Hyungjun, like asking him out and some being like, I
[16:29] wanted to say it first. Classic cute.
[16:32] It was very cute. It was very cute.
[16:34] I'm happy they found each other. Sure.
[16:38] I'm happy. I'm glad.
[16:40] So why I'm happy and I I think, I think only the couples that
[16:47] matched got to read their Diaries that they.
[16:49] Yes. Then they then they swap Diaries
[16:51] and then they read through them and it's a little bit of like,
[16:54] oh, it's like a little embarrassing.
[16:56] Like it's cute that they were like talking about me in their
[16:59] diary. And then he actually cries,
[17:01] Cries. He's like, this is the first
[17:02] time I've cried out of happiness.
[17:04] Which is so strange. OK so his big shock is that
[17:07] Minsung liked him from the get go basically and that's why he
[17:12] like cries 'cause he was like oh I didn't realize he was like
[17:14] this into me. To which I respond, who did you
[17:19] think? Who was the other person you
[17:21] thought he was into? You were the first date.
[17:23] You were the only person he went on a date with.
[17:26] Yeah, real realistically, but that's what I'm saying.
[17:29] Hyungjin was not in the show until Jay Hao, do you think?
[17:34] He still liked Chai tea Tai chi as well because of that. 1st and
[17:40] then there were dates. Yeah.
[17:43] Oh, and he picked him as his roommate, so that's probably
[17:45] why. Yeah, that first day when he
[17:48] didn't know anything. But that's what I'm saying,
[17:50] Hyungjin was not in the show until Jehal fully was gone.
[17:54] That's true. Once Jehal left is when he could
[17:57] finally like, have clarity and Peace of Mind and that's the
[18:02] show. So that's the season.
[18:04] OK, before we go into mess. Yes, before the mess.
[18:07] What do you think about the season?
[18:10] Listen, they get and the gag is was really good.
[18:14] I think I don't know how they would have done this any other
[18:18] way. I think the right thing to do
[18:20] not to scrap it, which they did, but like scrap the full just
[18:25] season in general was to just own up to it and do it again and
[18:30] kind of like own up to the mess. So I am glad they did it.
[18:34] I think it it opens the door for us asking more questions and
[18:39] wanting more just because so much of the chemistry, at least
[18:46] with one of the couples that we're supposed to root for all
[18:50] happened in that season. And the our only frame of
[18:55] reference for Summit for Sanuk and Hyunjun is just as a
[19:00] contrast to Hyunjay. So it just it just feels like
[19:05] that sucked. I mean, I'm glad that we got the
[19:07] other couple that happened truly in within this season, right.
[19:12] But if you're not in the back for them, you're then you know,
[19:16] you, Yeah. I feel like you're left with
[19:18] wanting more. So I this is for sure my least
[19:21] favorite season of The Four Seasons.
[19:24] There is a real issue storyline wise because basically from
[19:30] episode 1, once they reveal that you know seven of them have been
[19:34] there or not, 8 of them have been there already, that there
[19:41] are only two people that are true audience surrogates.
[19:47] So we really only get to experience everybody for the
[19:51] first time along with them. Everybody else kind of has an
[19:55] opinion about each other already, and I think the thing
[19:59] that makes. Usually the thing that makes
[20:02] dating shows so fun is that they aren't really aware.
[20:05] I mean, they can be aware of each other in terms of like I'm
[20:08] aware of you outside in the world or whatever, right?
[20:12] Like that obviously came up in season 3.
[20:15] But I think like them already having established preconceived
[20:18] notions of each other that we were kind of left to deduce what
[20:22] those were. And sometimes they did tell us
[20:26] explicitly what those what those feelings of each other were.
[20:28] And sometimes it just like it's all just implied.
[20:33] I think it's just really it's a really hard season to kind of
[20:37] like sink your teeth into because there's so much that we
[20:41] aren't Privy to, which again, isn't normal for this.
[20:45] What what the audience who watches this program has come to
[20:48] expect from this program. I don't think it's necessarily a
[20:51] bad thing. I mean like I think they this is
[20:54] probably the best salvage of the situation.
[20:58] The only thing I truly think is they probably should have edited
[21:01] in footage from that first. Season just like.
[21:03] Even if it's just the sweet moments to like explain some of
[21:06] the stuff. Because it does feel like for
[21:11] everyone who isn't interacting with like, Minsung or Yunje or
[21:14] Kung Yao, that they already kind of have this, have a relation
[21:19] we're not really let in on. Which I think is why it's also
[21:24] really strange when they frame Henjun and Yunji upfront and
[21:27] then it turns like into Sun Hook.
[21:29] I think there's like a little bit where the audience is like,
[21:32] wait, but that felt like that was going somewhere.
[21:36] Yeah, yeah. I don't think it's like, given
[21:38] true objectivity, we're just supposed to like understand.
[21:43] And even then, I still feel like I don't really understand why,
[21:46] because again, like half of that story is in a season we'll we'll
[21:49] never see. Yeah, well, the weird part is
[21:52] that they did release some footage on YouTube, so it's
[21:54] like, OK, you clearly weren't able to salvage anything.
[21:57] Right. It's not that there was like you
[21:58] couldn't do anything. It's not like you it actually
[22:01] it. Was actually made a choice to
[22:03] withhold it from the show, which is like bizarre because listen,
[22:08] I, I understand. There's probably legality,
[22:11] whatever, whatever. Oh, but not even that.
[22:13] I just mean like, you want people to like go and check out
[22:15] the channel and like watch the background stuff, but like, your
[22:18] first duty is to the television show itself.
[22:22] That should be the first duty. This is the thing I say about
[22:24] survival shows is like, you can't withhold.
[22:27] You can't be like, Oh well, the relationships the trainees make
[22:30] with each other are so interesting and that's what
[22:32] people fall in love with throughout the show.
[22:35] But then withhold that only for like behind footage, whatever
[22:38] and just keep it to the drama cuz like then it's been more
[22:42] manufactured. I don't know, I don't know, I.
[22:46] I will say because of this, because of the lack of things
[22:50] that because of the salvage, it highlights the problems of the
[22:55] show way more. Yeah, I will say like.
[22:59] You know, it's a it's a very hard show to watch if there are
[23:01] not immensely charming people on.
[23:04] It I know that's the thing and I will say.
[23:05] Which has been both season 3 and season 4.
[23:07] 'S probably, I mean, they have at least they've bloomed
[23:10] already. So they do know each other.
[23:12] So it's like they're more comfortable.
[23:14] So like the conversations that they do have in some of those
[23:16] like middle episodes, like I was kind of like into, because it's
[23:20] like, well, they're like the fact that they're having these
[23:23] conversations now, right? Well, Suman says.
[23:26] Like if if I I wish the show was 2 weeks.
[23:29] He says he yes. Suman also says the show is too
[23:32] short and I fully agree with him.
[23:34] I agree with him. Because that's the thing.
[23:35] But I also thought it was weird. I also not weird.
[23:38] I thought it was surprising that they added that into it, because
[23:41] I wonder if they are also aware. Aware it's something that we
[23:44] should, yeah, somehow try to figure out.
[23:47] Yeah. I think it's really hard
[23:49] realistically because people have jobs.
[23:51] Right. But I don't know, there has to
[23:54] be a way to eat. At least have it 10 days.
[23:57] And the casting too, the casting pool, I mean, we always say that
[24:00] like they need to get more extroverts.
[24:01] I think they had more here I will say but.
[24:05] It's still I don't it's hard for me to say because I don't want
[24:09] people who are introverts watching the show to feel like
[24:11] I'm saying like you shouldn't be in a dating show, you shouldn't
[24:13] find love either. That's not what I'm saying at
[24:15] all. But I to.
[24:17] Be in a dating show to entertain like it's a like you need just
[24:23] to amp it up just a little. Bit yeah, there's no, I will say
[24:26] I think season 1 still had the biggest personalities.
[24:31] Yes, and like the most fun cast of character, like characters
[24:37] with a capital C totally, who were like goofy and is it
[24:43] because one of them was a drag queen?
[24:45] Yeah, that helps. Of course, one was a drag.
[24:48] I can't. Drag Queen's find love too, huh?
[24:50] One was a dragon, 1 was a vulgar.
[24:52] Yes, and that sounds. Yeah, Hokeep.
[24:55] Hokeep, honey. Yep, Sissy, Sissy is that what?
[24:59] Yeah. I would still rather watch this
[25:01] than probably watch like a just a regular degular straight
[25:07] dating show 'cause I do find it fat.
[25:10] The the dynamics in a gay dating show I think are just inherently
[25:15] more interesting because everybody's trying to figure
[25:17] everything out and there's not there's not prescribed labels
[25:22] that people have to slot themselves into in the same way
[25:25] Yeah, but I would love for them to I would love for them to do
[25:33] something Yeah. I think, I think it's, I think
[25:37] they're hitting a wall where it's.
[25:38] Like they are, they're hitting a wall, I think with the, just
[25:41] like you said, the stories that they can write in the show.
[25:44] I think it either has to be a two week show, which I think,
[25:48] and I'm not saying 14 more episodes.
[25:51] Let's all calm. Down 14 episodes is fine. 13 was
[25:55] fine honestly. I mean, this season should have
[25:57] been 12. Yeah, that's the thing.
[26:00] Make them short Shorten. And also, I know we live for the
[26:04] Jenga of it all, but if the Jenga isn't great, it doesn't
[26:09] need to be its own episode. That's true.
[26:12] Because the the Jenga is just a a vehicle to talk about coming
[26:17] out. A to talk about like actually
[26:20] being gay and. Korean, being gay and Korean.
[26:21] Right. Yeah, which I do appreciate is
[26:23] the point of it, yes. But if people aren't juicy, if
[26:27] there's not anything to, like, sink your teeth into, then it's
[26:30] a little doing your makeup and asking, asking a question to one
[26:35] of the other Queens, you know what I'm saying?
[26:37] So vivacious. What was it like growing up?
[26:41] Yeah. That so I think it yeah, it
[26:43] should either be like 2 weeks, 2 weeks long at minimum 10 days
[26:48] yeah, or they have to. They can't ever do a house this
[26:55] big again. Yes.
[26:56] Yeah. Ever.
[26:57] Yeah. Or go on a trip, like if it is 2
[27:01] weeks, yeah, like exchange, like change days or like whatever.
[27:04] There's that like final boost of like we're all going on a trip.
[27:08] They did it in season 1 season, season 1 they went to a camping
[27:12] trip and even then at least it's like OK just take them out of
[27:16] the environment for closer forced proximity.
[27:19] Yeah, I think they have to look at what's going on.
[27:22] Yeah, I did like Season 3. If we didn't, if they didn't
[27:27] release that epilogue. Oh my God.
[27:30] I think I would have preferred. I think season 3 would have been
[27:32] my favorite. No 100% Season 2 will always be
[27:36] my favorite. First of all, we had met a dear
[27:38] friend. Our dear friend Dabbit.
[27:40] Absolutely season also, I just think like all the dynamics were
[27:45] there. There was like a true this, I
[27:48] guess was the closest to season 2 in that there was like 1 was
[27:52] like clearly pursuing one person and then they like kind of fell
[27:55] for each other and then there was like supposed to be one that
[27:58] was like a triangle. I mean you and Jay is really
[28:01] dabbed of the season. You and Jay is the Dabit do you
[28:05] feel can ship towards Jung Jay? But I also don't I don't know if
[28:09] we ever need to do eliminations again either.
[28:13] I think, I think eliminations only help if it is like Love
[28:18] Island, where it's like part of the thing.
[28:22] On one hand, it helped Hyung Jung Jung and Min Song because
[28:28] it would have. Complicated the storyline.
[28:31] I think Hyung Jung would have quit.
[28:33] The problem here's the actual problem.
[28:35] You're probably going to end up with two couples on the show.
[28:38] Yeah, I feel like that's been the standard number pretty much
[28:41] every season. You really want two different
[28:45] dynamics in those. Yes, you can't have the same
[28:46] you. Really want like ideally like in
[28:49] season 2, you really want it to be like so you for sure know
[28:52] what's going happen and then one where you're like the audience
[28:55] is going into it like I have no idea who's going to pick this
[28:59] this ending and it's you kind of can't you can't really help it
[29:03] cuz you're given what you're given yeah totally, but.
[29:07] We knew what the outcome was gonna be.
[29:09] You knew what the outcome was gonna be, but I think you can
[29:12] play with the dating dynamics more cuz they also felt like
[29:16] there weren't enough dates this season.
[29:17] No, you want, you just want, you want for storyline reasons.
[29:21] You want there to be like two different types of romances
[29:24] happening at the same time. Cuz I think that's the thing
[29:27] that's gonna keep the audience like, oh, like someone to root
[29:30] for that probably doesn't get there.
[29:32] Someone to someone to root for, choosing between who and who.
[29:36] And then like a couple that's like very clearly, like head
[29:38] over heels for each other. Yeah, that's like in an ideal
[29:41] world. And of course, like this is
[29:42] reality. So like, some of it, you can't
[29:45] help. You're given what you're given.
[29:47] But it's hard. It's hard.
[29:50] I'm not saying it's easy. I'm not saying that the
[29:53] production team for his man has an easy.
[29:56] Job yeah, it's not like they've been just sitting around doing
[29:58] nothing. They have been trying to make
[30:01] just salvage what they thought that was just going to be thrown
[30:04] away. So I I commend them for at least
[30:07] even attempting to still do it. But yeah, I think it needs a
[30:11] major shake up next season. Yeah, and I don't, I don't want
[30:15] it to be drama just for drama sake.
[30:18] It could be a little drama. For you, it could be a little
[30:19] drama for my sake, but like, I don't think I mean, like season
[30:23] 1 was the biggest gag I've ever seen or episode 1 I should say,
[30:26] was the biggest gag I've ever seen.
[30:28] But then it ends up kind of shooting the season in the foot.
[30:31] Yeah. So I don't know if.
[30:34] They could have create if they could have creatively held that
[30:39] information for longer. Maybe even like episode 3 or 4.
[30:43] That would have been cool, but I understand they would have had
[30:46] to delay some people's entrances I think.
[30:48] I think they should. I mean really, I think they
[30:50] should have delayed. They should have made.
[30:52] They should have delayed Khungjun.
[30:54] That's who they that's for sure. Minsung should have.
[30:56] They should. Have been first.
[30:57] That could have been something. Maybe or, or like in that first
[31:02] wave. Yeah, I definitely think like,
[31:05] there probably should have been two more.
[31:07] What do they call them? Ghosts.
[31:09] Catfish. Catfish.
[31:11] Ghosts. Ghosts.
[31:12] There's have been two more. There have been 2 catfishes.
[31:16] And it probably should have been Hyung Jun and Jai Ha.
[31:20] Yeah, both. I agree.
[31:23] Because then everyone else would have gagged that it was like, Oh
[31:25] my God, Jai Ha came back. Yeah.
[31:27] And then the next day Hyung Jun comes in.
[31:30] Yeah. And then it's a real gag.
[31:32] I think that probably could have done something, but it is what
[31:37] it is. It is what it is.
[31:39] OK, now what's the T? There's a lot of text for And
[31:44] then they stayed together or they broke up.
[31:46] Yeah, 'cause OK, Just in comparison, last season there
[31:50] were. Hanmin.
[31:52] Yes, Hanmin broke up with him in the on the show in the epilogue
[31:57] that was while the other one. That was tough.
[32:02] Basically decided to date but none of those couples are
[32:05] together anymore, not even what's his face.
[32:08] Yeah. Yeah, OK, post show info in
[32:12] chronological order as accurate as our Discord remembers it.
[32:17] OK, the finale airs. OK, Dazed interviews the
[32:21] magazine Sure, sure are posted. Sumin, Lil, Hyukjin, Sonuk, Jiha
[32:26] and Yunjay all go on a trip together.
[32:28] OK wait, who? Hyunjin.
[32:30] Sonuk. Yunjay.
[32:32] Jiha Jiha and Lil Hyukjin. Oh, OK.
[32:36] Fun His men YouTube channel posts commentary videos like
[32:40] them watching parts of the season together.
[32:44] OK sure everyone clocks non couple vibes from Hyunjun and
[32:49] Sanuk. They get like vibes that.
[32:51] They're not together, OK. Everyone on the cast.
[32:56] Well, I mean, Sonic, if you're gonna be, if you have a tendency
[32:59] to be jealous, I don't know if I would date young student.
[33:02] Who I That's what I was saying. Underwear pics on Instagram.
[33:05] Who looks like that? Who is a model?
[33:08] Who owns a bar? I mean, it's tough.
[33:10] It's tough to be really honest with yourself if you're gonna do
[33:13] it. Yeah, to be like, can I actually
[33:14] handle this? I think you can be jealous in a
[33:16] relationship, it's fine, but you're you.
[33:19] It's gotta be watered out of the leashes.
[33:21] Because you, I mean, you say it's like trust, He says trust
[33:24] is the most important part of a relationship.
[33:28] Everyone opens an Instagram broadcast channel, like all the
[33:32] contestants, basically everyone. You don't know what and you
[33:35] know. What the fuck is an?
[33:36] It's like a page broadcast channel.
[33:38] You as an Instagram can make like a chat like that like
[33:42] bubble. Oh.
[33:44] You can subscribe to it and you. Just receive pay a fee.
[33:47] No, you can just subscribe to messages.
[33:49] Oh I see. Like it?
[33:50] Like bubble? Oh, I see, I see.
[33:52] Hyunjun and Yunjai join each other's broadcast tools.
[33:56] Hyunjun and Yunjai. Oh.
[33:59] They join each other's broadcast channels, OK, and they will like
[34:02] flirt outwardly on their broadcast channels, OK, Like
[34:07] they'll post about them on bubble basically being like
[34:10] hyung, whatever. Everyone teases them for it,
[34:13] especially Hyungjun, which we've noticed.
[34:16] Hyungjun was like kind of like the the stirrer or the pot.
[34:19] Yes, stirring Jay Haas that soft launches a boyfriend on
[34:23] Instagram, OK and starts posting YouTube videos with his
[34:26] boyfriend with an emoji or a blurred face.
[34:29] OK, OK. We've moved on.
[34:31] That's good. Yeah, Minsa and Hyungjun start a
[34:34] couple channel, a couple's channel.
[34:37] OK. So like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[34:38] They start Boys love. Boys love technically.
[34:40] I knew they ended up together like 4 weeks.
[34:42] Ago yes because when we watched tik.
[34:43] T.O.K of them. Oh, OK, OK, OK.
[34:45] I knew even before that, oh, before they showed up on my
[34:48] TikTok in a like doing a dance together and I was like.
[34:51] Doing a dance? Well, they're do a little dance.
[34:55] Their first video was celebrating their 100 days, so
[34:59] whoa. OK, more flirting between
[35:02] Hyunjung and Hyunj online. OK OK we from his man 3 and
[35:08] hangyo go out together. They like post like they met.
[35:13] OK. The promotion for the show
[35:16] finishes. I think the show is done.
[35:18] Sure sure. Showing OK Sonuk starts a
[35:21] YouTube channel. OK.
[35:23] He posts AQ and A and he confirms that he and Henjun are
[35:26] not together anymore. OK, they only dated.
[35:29] Brief. I feel like that also happens
[35:30] once this season, yes. Yeah, yeah, they they only dated
[35:33] briefly after the show wrapped and are now in a Hyung Dong Seng
[35:36] relationship. Although I don't think I would
[35:39] have clocked them as the ones who would have broken up to be
[35:42] honest. You have thought hyung Jung Min
[35:43] son, Yes, Sunuk uploads a vlog with Season 1's Chung Min the
[35:50] Tall top. This man is at the scene of the
[35:53] crime whenever. OK, he's always at the scene of
[35:57] the crime. He apparently is also Hyunjun's
[35:59] ex. Oh, oh, that's right, he said.
[36:06] He said in that first episode he was like, I dated someone from
[36:09] an earlier season or whatever. They appeared to have matching
[36:12] necklaces. He went from Mama setup went
[36:16] from one top to another. He.
[36:17] Went he He dated a man and then he dated that man's ex.
[36:21] That's my sister, that's my sister that's called, that's
[36:24] gay. That's community.
[36:26] These are what we fought for. These are This is why this.
[36:29] Is why we fought, yeah. This is why no one died at
[36:32] Stonewall. Protect queer art.
[36:33] Yeah, And it's Sano. And it's Sano dating his ex, his
[36:37] boyfriend's ex. His ex's ex.
[36:39] Sanuk and Changmin unfollow Hyunjun on Instagram.
[36:45] Boy, now it's getting serious. And Hyunjun unfollows them back.
[36:49] Good. Okay, great.
[36:50] A few days later. He's being very normal about
[36:52] this. A few days later, Hyungjun and
[36:55] Sanuk unfollow each other. Hyungjun and Sanuk.
[37:00] That's surprising. So Hyungjun is like, I'm cutting
[37:02] ties, you bitch, you're shady, you're that girl.
[37:06] I always knew you so Sonuk. So now with the story, Sonuk is
[37:10] like Sonuk is like the film thought.
[37:12] You were about that. Well, that's the thing.
[37:13] I'm like, come, Jude, I thought you liked Mass.
[37:15] What's going on? OK.
[37:19] She's on the straight and narrow.
[37:21] Now that she's a married woman. You many more are.
[37:24] There you and Jay goes to Hyunjun's club and they post
[37:30] each other on. They post together on Instagram,
[37:33] you and Jay said. Get in there, get in there, get
[37:36] in there, get in there. He said, oh, the tree, the tree,
[37:41] the tree is free. The tree is free is an insane
[37:46] thing to say the. Tree is free, vacant.
[37:49] Sonuk posts AQ and a YouTube video saying he and Chanwin are
[37:52] just friends. He gets advice from him about
[37:56] YouTube and like vlogging. Okay, sure.
[38:00] He feels grateful towards. Him Chong man.
[38:02] If you wanna send us any YouTube recommendations, feel free.
[38:05] Yeah, so you. Get some advice from.
[38:06] Since you know everything, he feels grateful towards him and
[38:12] also confirms in this video that he and you and Jay are still
[38:15] close friends. Sonic and you and Jay are still
[38:18] close. Friends, that's what Sonic says
[38:19] in his Q&A. Okay, he also says things like
[38:22] he knows for the Chung Min of it all, people may see him
[38:25] negatively and even people around me might feel
[38:28] uncomfortable that he's like so close to Chung Min.
[38:31] Oh I swear to God, Chung Min is always see that.
[38:35] The guy I know Tai chi unfollows Sonuk.
[38:39] Oh. That's what I'm saying.
[38:41] Everyone is like, oh, Sonuk's the villain.
[38:43] I don't know if Sonuk is that close to you and Jay.
[38:47] That's what I'm saying. I think it's a lie.
[38:49] A lie. He's lying.
[38:51] You thought he's lying. Jaya posts more YouTube videos
[38:56] with his boyfriend. OK, good.
[39:00] So Jaya's having a Jaya said. You know what?
[39:02] Getting illuminated early was the best thing happening.
[39:04] Thinking about umm Yuck Chin, he hasn't found a man he's marrying
[39:07] in. Switzerland, yeah, no umm, yuck
[39:09] Chin yet. God, dab it, get over there, dab
[39:12] it, Fly to Switzerland, Don't. Piss me off.
[39:15] Sanuk and Suman do a YouTube video together.
[39:20] Oh, OK. So Suman is picking Sonic side?
[39:23] A Sonic side. Yeah, there is a civil.
[39:25] War. Oh no.
[39:29] Suman my my my sister, sister stay strong.
[39:32] You got to stay strong. He he didn't the whole.
[39:35] Show why would he start now? Sister, you are an entrepreneur.
[39:39] That's fine. You you, you are a MOA mogul.
[39:42] And you know what will drive clicks to his little
[39:44] engagements? Linking up with.
[39:47] This one linking up with this one.
[39:49] A business savvy. Hyungjun and Minsong post more
[39:54] YouTube videos. In one they have couple rings
[39:57] and then final Hyungjun. And minsong.
[40:00] And then finally on April 13th, just so you know, literally 3
[40:06] days ago, yes, Hyungjun and Minsong delete all photos
[40:10] together from their Instagram. Hyungjun goes into the broadcast
[40:14] channel saying they've had a fight, but then promptly deletes
[40:17] the message. And that's what you miss on his
[40:26] man. For after the Cup, see where I
[40:29] need a Vanderhouse Pump rules. This is what we fought for.
[40:32] Yeah, I need like a post like a Real Housewives, but it's his
[40:37] man. An actual reunion a traders.
[40:41] Reunion. A Traders reunion hosted by us,
[40:44] obviously with a translator, I guess.
[40:49] Unless you want to learn. This has happened though.
[40:50] That's happened with June Tsango, though.
[40:52] June Tsango had that moment. When they they were breaking up,
[40:56] they were for sure fighting. They were fighting.
[40:58] They broke up. And then the next day they
[41:00] picked up back up again because the bag was too good.
[41:03] And they're still together. Yeah.
[41:05] So should we do that for fun, just a little engagement to get
[41:10] the girls going? Do a pretend divorce.
[41:12] A pretend. A pretend.
[41:14] Yeah, yeah. Pretend divorce.
[41:17] Let us know if you're Hashtag Team Adam or Hashtag Team.
[41:20] They're all team. Friedrich.
[41:21] They're all Team Friedrich. They're like, who gets
[41:23] Friedrich? And this can be you, because I
[41:25] know how much he means to you. What?
[41:27] What? What do you think of all this?
[41:30] Just gays being messy but I want it American style.
[41:35] Yeah, I want them to yell at each other.
[41:37] I want bravo what is the what is the his man casts version.
[41:42] It would obviously be in. That's my YouTube.
[41:45] Yeah, that's what I want. It's just for YouTube.
[41:47] You don't understand the relationship.
[41:51] That's what I want you. Don't understand the
[41:52] relationship. That's not talking about him and
[41:55] Chung Min. Chung Min, now why am I in it?
[41:57] Chung Min is the Tom Sandoval of of of the His Man universe.
[42:02] I don't know if I'd go that far, but he is.
[42:05] He is. The name on everybody's lips is
[42:09] gonna be Chung Min. There you go.
[42:13] And that's his man 4. So mess mess.
[42:16] Mess from beginning to end, just the way we like.
[42:20] Well girls, the times they are changing, the times are changing
[42:26] and that does include this podcast, yes.
[42:30] So in just a couple weeks we will be coming back to you with
[42:37] new visuals. New concept.
[42:39] New format. We're gonna be doing it all.
[42:42] Yeah. What we are pivoting the Boys
[42:44] Love Boys Love podcast to will be short.
[42:50] Discussions. Short discussions on the things
[42:53] we have watched that week on Patreon.
[42:55] On Patreon. On the Boys Love Boys Love
[42:57] Patreon. And again, we do watch three
[42:59] things a week. So we will be instead of just
[43:01] yapping 1 episode for one BL, we are gonna be yapping about 3 BLS
[43:09] at the same time every week. It's just those are being voted
[43:13] on right now, yes. One vote is on right now,
[43:16] another vote is coming soon, and then the third show we're
[43:19] picking Henny. We pick.
[43:21] That's our show, Henny. So next week we are going to do
[43:26] our series recaps of Claire Bell and Me and T.
[43:29] Those are regular. Those are regular, no changes.
[43:31] Yeah, to that. And then soon after we'll start
[43:35] the new show. We'll be on Mondays.
[43:38] It'll be a Monday release to discuss what we've watched in
[43:41] the week before. This way we can keep talking
[43:45] about multiple shows and we can keep watching.
[43:49] We don't have to kind of feel like, OK, let's talk about this
[43:53] one episode, unless I know some episodes might be longer because
[43:56] it's like, we gotta really talk about this.
[43:58] Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that way it's a little more
[44:00] fluid and we can we can have a nice little fun chat every
[44:04] single. Week a bit of a looser frame.
[44:06] Yes, Loose Women, that is a. That's what that's.
[44:11] That's the name of like the British version of the View.
[44:14] It's called Loose. Women.
[44:15] Is it really? Yes, that's.
[44:20] Wild. OK, so yes, basically it's our
[44:23] version. Polls over here.
[44:27] So go to patreon.com/boys Love Boys Love to go for the the
[44:30] current poll that's happening right now is for BBLBL.
[44:35] So before Boys Love, Boys Love existed where we have four
[44:39] options there of shows that were on before we started watching
[44:43] BLS, and then the new poll will come out next week and then the
[44:49] third show that we've decided. We will watch.
[44:52] We will watch it. You'll get to feel here.
[44:54] Which one it is? There you go.
[44:57] Thanks for joining everyone. Thanks, Pearl.

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