# 128. Whips, Chaos, and secrets from Westminster (Simon Hart)

An episode of [The Rest Is Politics: Leading](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193), 7 Apr 2025, 1 h 02 min.

Audio: https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5902096697.mp3?updated=1743972456

Why do the wrong people become MPs? How can we transform Westminster into a modern day workplace? How did Simon Hart’s time at The Countryside Alliance inform his politics? Rory and Alastair are joined by the ex-Tory Chief Whip, Simon Hart, to discuss all this and more. Just head to therestispolitics.com to sign up, or start a free trial today on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/therestispolitics. Instagram: @restispolitics Twitter: @RestIsPolitics Email: restispolitics@gmail.com Video Editor: Josh Smith Assistant Producer: Alice Horrell Producer: Nicole Maslen Senior Producer: Dom Johnson Head of Content: Tom Whiter Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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