# The Rest Is Politics: Leading

A podcast by Goalhanger. The Rest Is Politics’ Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart interview politicians, leaders, intellectuals, and more. From inside and outside of politics, guests join Rory and Alastair to discuss life, leadership, and the philosophy that’s led them to success in their chosen field. Their conversations cover key political events, global affairs, and the big ideas shaping the world today, offering listeners in-depth perspectives from those at the heart of change. The Rest Is Politics Plus: Become a member for exclusive bonus content, early access to Question Time episodes to live show tickets, ad-free listening for both TRIP and Leading, our exclusive newsletter, discount book prices on titles mentioned on the pod, and our members’ chatroom on Discord. Just head to therestispolitics.com to sign up, or start a free trial today on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/therestispolitics. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com.

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## Latest episodes

- [212. What Happens When The World Stops Trusting America? (Michael Lewis)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/e3cb6fead56b) (2026-10-26, 59 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT4345180994.mp3
- [211. Trump's Niece on Why He's On Putin's Side](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/7413761de06c) (2026-10-18, 55 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT4426382017.mp3
- [210. Rory and Alastair Interview Prime Minister Andy Burnham](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/5a678cc324d4) (2026-10-11, 75 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT3017283408.mp3
- [209. Shabana Mahmood: Palestine Action, Faith, and What I Told Starmer](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/0c7f8681ed60) (2026-10-04, 78 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT1438474217.mp3
- [208. Mustafa Suleyman: Is AI Actually Conscious?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/e791091a39df) (2026-09-27, 67 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5166033531.mp3
- [207. Gordon Brown: How to Fix a Fracturing World](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/0f2bd47e111f) (2026-09-20, 57 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT8889311014.mp3
- [206. How Putin's War Changed Finland Forever (Sanna Marin)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/28dc9ce3e657) (2026-09-13, 59 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT6123609001.mp3
- [205. Anthony Scaramucci: Why America Keeps Making the Same Mistakes](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/37ef7882b0a4) (2026-09-06, 61 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5663670844.mp3
- [204. Will a Wealth Tax Actually Fix Britain? (Dan Neidle)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/234c390fc553) (2026-08-30, 67 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT9466595294.mp3
- [203. The Man Taking On Infantino: UEFA President Aleksander Čeferin](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/d90ca8315f36) (2026-08-23, 51 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5544814131.mp3
- [202. Is Peace in the Middle East Closer Than We Think? (A Palestinian & An Israeli's View)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/8197e091323e) (2026-08-16, 76 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5828403103.mp3
- [201. How Westminster Breaks Politicians and Why Britain Isn't Ready for War](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/822ef214badc) (2026-08-09, 77 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT1079995606.mp3
- [200. Count Binface: Nigel Farage's Biggest Threat?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/ad1b04bca4e1) (2026-08-02, 43 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT1794800420.mp3
- [199. Is Trump's Chaos Pushing Iceland Towards the EU? (Prime Minister of Iceland, Kristrún Frostadóttir)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/4768679697c9) (2026-07-26, 66 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT2498052044.mp3
- [198. How Trump’s Imperial Presidency Really Works](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/4b4562bccc7e) (2026-07-19, 53 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT2735080392.mp3
- [197. The Billionaire Tax Debate (Gabriel Zucman)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/90b046ea33d4) (2026-07-12, 72 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT6444528133.mp3
- [196. How America Talks Itself Into Endless Wars](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/f4481fe8ae24) (2026-07-05, 73 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT8134642067.mp3
- [195. Can the West Reclaim its Power from Trump? (Malcolm Turnbull)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/9fdaf8631697) (2026-06-28, 71 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5239639878.mp3
- [194. Is Putin Losing His Grip on Russia?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/da9190426ed4) (2026-06-21, 64 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT7932329172.mp3
- [193. James Cleverly: Why Has There Been A Radical Shift On The Right?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/8010946e61ea) (2026-06-14, 79 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT8695834050.mp3
- [192. Are We On The Brink Of World War III? (Odd Arne Westad)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/4ef15173092a) (2026-06-07, 63 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT9173022956.mp3
- [191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/d7283b22295b) (2026-05-31, 68 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT1117681988.mp3
- [190. How the Media Still Misunderstands Trump (Tina Brown)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/d1561cea68a9) (2026-05-24, 73 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT2538505986.mp3
- [189. Rahm Emanuel: China, Technology, and the Future of the Democratic Party](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/37d94f81e035) (2026-05-17, 74 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT6824777476.mp3
- [188. Will AI Give China or the US Total Power? (William MacAskill)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/8ff31fab22c1) (2026-05-10, 69 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT7450010142.mp3?updated=1778689941
- [187. Yanis Varoufakis: How The 2008 Crisis Revived Far-Right Populism](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/4684e4344ccb) (2026-05-03, 78 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5950328315.mp3?updated=1777648871
- [186. President Aleksandar Vučić: Russia, China, and How Serbia Could Join the EU](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/c6bab2d39082) (2026-04-26, 67 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT7276687304.mp3?updated=1777473395
- [185. Can Labour Win Back Scotland? (Anas Sarwar)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/395bbde87a52) (2026-04-19, 63 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT9932039816.mp3?updated=1776437824
- [184. President of Ukraine: Volodymyr Zelenskyy](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/14f7e7dd75cd) (2026-04-09, 53 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT8082926608.mp3?updated=1776251949
- [183. From Bradford to Westminster: Faith, Identity, and Power (Naz Shah)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/ad087db74246) (2026-04-05, 71 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT3329102806.mp3?updated=1775171610
- [182. Culture Wars, Identity, and What Needs To Change In Congress (Sarah McBride)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/61bf8f393548) (2026-03-29, 66 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT1248556085.mp3?updated=1774860874
- [181. Ai Weiwei: China, Censorship, and Dissidence Through Art](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/c735cfcc8c03) (2026-03-23, 68 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT9298528086.mp3?updated=1774018643
- [180. The Only European Leader Defying Trump? (Pedro Sánchez)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/83e95713d90d) (2026-03-16, 76 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT2408606700.mp3?updated=1773606910
- [179. President Stubb: Trump’s Unlikely Best Friend](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/1db0cb0d8154) (2026-03-09, 42 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT8548528217.mp3?updated=1773058225
- [178. Gavin Newsom: The Next President Of The United States?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/72c0fa3bd282) (2026-03-02, 55 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT9547241083.mp3?updated=1772810902
- [177. Olaf Scholz: Putin, Power, and Far-Right Populism](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/cb5be7bb84ac) (2026-02-23, 60 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT3634429573.mp3?updated=1771518513
- [176. How Close Are We To War With Iran? (Robert Malley)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/57af9e1ea081) (2026-02-16, 69 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT2375970747.mp3?updated=1772796520
- [175. Ex-Director of GCHQ: China, Russia, and the Threats Facing the UK (Jeremy Fleming)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/03e6e772c575) (2026-02-09, 71 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT6776647229.mp3?updated=1770590573
- [174. Taking On Europe's Last Dictator: The Fight Against Lukashenko and Putin](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/e9cd1c2989c1) (2026-02-06, 30 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT9383804424.mp3?updated=1770387217
- [173. The man Putin can’t silence: Bill Browder and sanctioning Russia](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/4796cae2e3cc) (2026-02-02, 51 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5773872764.mp3?updated=1769971103
- [172. Neil Kinnock: Trump, Thatcher, and Why Labour Lost In 1992 (Part 2)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/6df861f2afcb) (2026-01-26, 65 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT3922829356.mp3?updated=1769364787
- [171. Neil Kinnock: A Labour Rebel’s Path To Power (Part 1)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/694f6c09c711) (2026-01-19, 73 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT7097502813.mp3?updated=1768579830
- [170. President of Moldova, Maia Sandu: Holding the Line Between Democracy and Putin](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/cc27fc686d23) (2026-01-12, 70 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT3846266668.mp3?updated=1767976979
- [169. Jimmy Wales: Wikipedia vs. Musk, AI, and the Battle for Truth](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/ab30964cc251) (2026-01-05, 74 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT1195075215.mp3?updated=1767977148
- [168. A Climate Special: Populism, Security, and Leadership](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/b6b826afd24f) (2025-12-29, 60 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT8563842940.mp3?updated=1766943062
- [167. Faith, Depression, and Finding Calm in the Chaos (Professor Mark Williams)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/b4f1190e7fff) (2025-12-22, 66 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT5474639648.mp3?updated=1766156459
- [166. John Swinney: Identity, Independence, and The Future of Scotland](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/e502b9c9c8ad) (2025-12-15, 75 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT2526649494.mp3?updated=1765741103
- [165. Anna Wintour: Culture, Influence, and the Power of Decisive Leadership](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/74592220166f) (2025-12-08, 74 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT9917557213.mp3?updated=1764936968
- [164. Zack Polanski: Do The Greens Have What It Takes?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/24a899bd8b77) (2025-12-01, 80 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT8014018716.mp3?updated=1764537374
- [163. Prison Reform, Masculinity, and Restorative Justice (James Graham and Jacob Dunne)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1665265193/76ec2aca946d) (2025-11-24, 71 min): audio https://pdst.fm/e/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT8131874621.mp3?updated=1763832737

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