# Deep Dive on Blue Cannatine: Benefits, Ingredients, & Safety | SNH Podcast #73

An episode of [Health Optimization Medicine Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663974629), 29 May 2024, 28 min.

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In this episode of the Smarter Not Harder Podcast, Boomer, Dr. Ted and Dr. Scott discuss their creation, Blue Cannatine, a nootropic troche designed to improve focus, energy, and cognitive performance. *Join us as we delve into:* + The science behind the ingredients in Blue Cannatine, including methylene blue, caffeine, CBD, and nicotine. + The potential benefits of Blue Cannatine, including improved focus, increased energy levels, better endurance, and reduced brain fog. + How Blue Cannatine can be used to help wean off Adderall. + Important safety considerations when using nootropics. *This episode is for you if:* - You want to improve your focus, energy, and cognitive performance. - You're curious about nootropics and how they work. - You're looking for alternatives to medications like Adderall. - You're concerned about brain fog and mild cognitive decline. *You can also find this episode on…* Youtube: https://youtu.be/hsJxUb4q9hU *Find out more about Blue Cannatine* Product Page: https://troscriptions.com/products/bluecannatine *Learn more about Smarter Not Harder:* Website: https://troscriptions.com/blogs/podcast | https://homehope.org Instagram: @troscriptions | @homehopeorg Get 10% Off your purchase of the Metabolomics Module by using PODCAST10 at https://www.homehope.org Get 10% Off your Troscriptions purchase by using POD10 at https://www.troscriptions.com Get daily content from the hosts of Smarter Not Harder by following @troscriptions on Instagram.

## Transcript

[0:00] Ted: I had a conversation.
[0:01] With a person from the government
[0:03] about this, and they said,
[0:05] well, you have nicotine in there.
[0:07] And then I said, what the f**k you
[0:09] can buy a 4 miligram gum of nicotine.
[0:12] 400 pieces of them in cVS
[0:15] and you won't bat an eyelash.
[0:17] And here it is, one
[0:19] troche has one milligram
[0:20] Scott: what's the average
[0:21] attention span of most people now?
[0:23] It's about like two and a half
[0:24] seconds or something like that.
[0:25] Right?
[0:25] So take some blue cannatine and it's
[0:27] going to increase your concentration,
[0:28] your focus for three to five hours.
[0:29] So that's going to help almost
[0:31] anybody is living in the world
[0:33] where a Tik Tok and Instagram and
[0:35] Snapchat are right on your phone.
[0:37] Ted: I was really considering using
[0:38] a little bit of THC to increase
[0:40] the awareness, to increase a
[0:43] little bit the norepinephrine
[0:44] effect, but, well, it's illegal, so
[0:47] Boomer: also thank you for not doing
[0:49] it because it would have created
[0:50] a whole host of headaches around.
[1:04] Boomer: Hi, I am from Delaware.
[1:07] Scott: what do you do in Delaware.
[1:10] Boomer: Well, technically our company
[1:12] is based in Delaware, so we can use
[1:14] that as a segue into the first of
[1:16] our behind the formulation series,
[1:19] I guess is what we'll call it.
[1:21] Scott: You have to have a good
[1:21] like background music for it.
[1:22] Boomer: All right.
[1:23] Let's get into this because what
[1:25] we want to do here is a deep
[1:27] dive behind the formulation.
[1:29] What went into, particular formulations,
[1:33] the ingredient selection process.
[1:35] We can even get into the R&D
[1:36] process in certain cases, because
[1:39] Scott: Yeah.
[1:40] Boomer: this will be
[1:40] a lot of fun actually.
[1:41] Uh, and let's kick things off where
[1:44] it all started with blue cannitine.
[1:46] And I think somebody here originally,
[1:48] and I don't know how Troscriptions
[1:50] would have actually been a good name
[1:53] for a gum company, but can we get
[1:56] into the idea of Blue canadine as
[2:00] a gum and where did that all start?
[2:02] And I think that starts with the man
[2:04] the myth the legend himself Dr Ted
[2:07] Ted: I've been traveling so much for more
[2:10] than a decade and the problem there is
[2:14] that when you land, you have to be on.
[2:16] Right.
[2:16] And so I started thinking, why can't
[2:19] I formulate something for myself where
[2:21] when you land, you're actually on.
[2:23] So I started putting together.
[2:26] What can, energize my mitochondria,
[2:28] my neural mitochondria, and,
[2:31] that was methylene blue.
[2:32] And then I said, well, I need to wake up.
[2:35] So I had to put caffeine in there.
[2:38] I need my short term working memory in
[2:40] order because when you have jet lag,
[2:42] and, that heaven for me is defined by
[2:46] being in the same time zone for 2 weeks.
[2:49] I've been in hell all the time.
[2:51] That's why I was actually
[2:52] pushed to formulate this.
[2:54] So I need to get my working memory
[2:56] in order and the forgotten nootropic.
[2:58] You know, there was an old article
[3:00] in Scientific American magazine
[3:02] and a lot of articles actually
[3:04] on how it boosts short memory.
[3:05] Of course, it's a nicotinic acid
[3:07] and the people are so afraid of it.
[3:09] Well, it's just vitamin B three.
[3:10] I said, well, I need that
[3:11] burst of working memory.
[3:13] And then, I put in some CBD in
[3:15] there because nicotine for me
[3:17] had a very sharp pointy spike.
[3:19] Right.
[3:20] But at the same time, it's
[3:21] also an anti-inflammatory.
[3:22] So it's softened the effect was very
[3:25] Adderall like, yes, I've taken Adderall.
[3:27] I know how it feels like.
[3:29] So it's a very gentle rise and
[3:31] then no crash, a gentle fall.
[3:34] And I said, where do I put this?
[3:35] I said, I want this to be in
[3:36] an all natural, resin, like
[3:39] the sapodilla resin, right?
[3:40] For gum and that's because I wanted to
[3:43] chew it so that it will be, in the oral
[3:46] cavity, which will then be closer to the
[3:49] base of the brain and had that proper
[3:52] release in the mouth and not swallowed.
[3:54] I started making gum in
[3:56] my kitchen and I tried it.
[3:58] I, it was working for me and, my friends
[4:01] actually asked for it and they said,
[4:04] well Ted why don't you, manufacture
[4:06] this, make something out of it.
[4:08] So I did look for a manufacturer and
[4:10] apparently when it's a gum It's going
[4:12] to be made by a confectioner, right?
[4:14] I had this, confectioner in Rhode
[4:15] Island and said after looking at it and
[4:19] it's like, wow, this really, it works.
[4:21] I said, but we won't make it for you.
[4:23] I said, why not?
[4:23] It turns all of our equipment blue.
[4:25] So I had to go back to the chopping
[4:28] board and chop off the gum.
[4:31] Right?
[4:31] And I said, what will, allow it to
[4:34] actually , melt while releasing the
[4:36] active ingredients and being close to
[4:38] the base of the brain circulation so
[4:41] that you could have the immediate effect.
[4:43] And that was the birth of the troche.
[4:46] I created it in troche form, and
[4:48] that was the very first product.
[4:50] And then of course from gum to troche,
[4:52] within a compounding pharmacist purview
[4:55] it became
[4:55] troche prescriptions.
[4:57] So, Troscriptions, right?
[4:59] But
[4:59] Boomer: Gumscriptionss
[5:01] Ted: Gumscriptions.
[5:02] Scott: I have a funny story about
[5:03] when we started, when we transitioned
[5:04] over to the troche form, because I
[5:06] remember, Ted and I, we've been using
[5:09] troches forever because of compounding
[5:11] pharmacies, but I never actually had
[5:13] one myself until like the first batch
[5:15] came to my house that were made by you
[5:17] and I didn't remember that it was a
[5:20] troche and instead I just bit into it.
[5:23] And it's got a massive headache.
[5:24] I was like, oh, what just happened?
[5:26] You're not supposed to bite into troches
[5:26] and you're supposed to let them dissolve.
[5:28] It was a long process actually, those
[5:29] first, almost about a year or so doing
[5:31] R&D , on Blue Cannatine, if I recall.
[5:35] Ted: yeah.
[5:35] That's because I really wanted
[5:37] it not to have any crash.
[5:38] I remember having, a marketing person
[5:41] said, oh, this will never fly because
[5:42] it turns people's tongues blue.
[5:44] I said, no, no, no, I'll prove to you
[5:45] that they want, that this will fly.
[5:48] And a year later, she called me
[5:50] up and said, hats off to you.
[5:52] I said, well, you know blue is the new
[5:53] smart, if it works, people really, do
[5:56] not care if it turns their tongues blue.
[5:58] And besides, if you really don't want to
[6:00] get your tongue blue, just swallow it.
[6:02] It's except that the buccal
[6:04] Mucosa has about eight layers
[6:06] of, Mucosa layers in it.
[6:07] Right.
[6:08] So that the actual, dissolution time, the
[6:11] melting releases it at the proper rates.
[6:13] This is not sublingual, although, the
[6:15] shorthand for troche is it's like a
[6:17] lozenge but you put in a buccal cavity.
[6:19] Technically,
[6:21] in
[6:21] Ted: pharmacy, when you say it's a
[6:22] lozenge, it's a sublingual lozenge, right?
[6:25] A troche is a buccal troche.
[6:27] And, it's different that way because the
[6:29] under the mouth, there's only 1 layer of
[6:30] mucosa so the absorption is very fast.
[6:33] So if you try to put it under your
[6:34] tongue, you'll get that jarring rise.
[6:37] Right?
[6:37] And then the jarring crash.
[6:39] And
[6:39] Scott: if you try to take a
[6:40] bite of it, like I did , so.
[6:41] Ted: yeah,
[6:43] Boomer: The old MacGyver
[6:44] Scott: Yeah.
[6:45] I remember also, we actually even
[6:46] tried other things other than CBD
[6:47] in there for a little while too.
[6:49] We had, I remember, I think we tried
[6:51] L theanine as well for a little while,
[6:52] but the problem with that, it was just
[6:54] too big, too much, too many milligrams
[6:56] per dose to have the same effect as CBD.
[6:59] I can't remember if we tried
[6:59] anything else, but that was
[7:00] definitely when we tried.
[7:01] Yeah.
[7:02] Boomer: to spend a moment on each of
[7:03] the ingredients because you touched
[7:05] at a high level, Ted, and maybe we can
[7:08] volley this back and forth in terms of
[7:11] the why behind the selection, right?
[7:14] Because something like methylene
[7:16] blue has many different benefits,
[7:20] to human cognition, even in energy.
[7:23] And so if we just go through
[7:25] each of the ingredients and,
[7:26] perhaps we'll start with the most
[7:28] obvious and familiar one caffeine.
[7:31] Adding caffeine to a nootropic
[7:33] seems quite obvious to a lot
[7:35] of us increases awareness.
[7:37] But any other particular reasons that
[7:39] we wanted to have caffeine in there
[7:41] and you know for reminding people here
[7:43] 50 milligrams of caffeine In a whole
[7:45] troche, which most people take half
[7:47] is still less than a double espresso.
[7:50] Ted: It's usually, 50 milligrams is,
[7:52] base it on a cup of coffee and average
[7:54] is about 200 milligrams of caffeine.
[7:56] So that's really only
[7:57] one-fourth cup of coffee.
[7:59] And when you are taking a half of a
[8:02] troche, that's really only one-eighth cup
[8:04] of coffee and people are afraid of it.
[8:06] but for me caffeine can
[8:07] raise your dopamine levels.
[8:09] Dopamine can convert to
[8:10] norepinephrine and there, there
[8:11] is your wakefulness, right?
[8:13] Which is necessary for focus.
[8:15] That's why it's very good for what I
[8:17] call both a narrow focus and a wide
[8:19] focus because you need, norepinephrine
[8:21] for the wakefulness and you need
[8:22] the dopamine actually to focus you.
[8:25] So, for example, when I'm lecturing here
[8:27] you can actually focus on your lecture
[8:30] material and at the same time, you could
[8:32] take a look at a wide focus on your
[8:34] audience to see what the response is.
[8:36] And that's, that's for me is
[8:37] the effect of uh, caffeine and
[8:40] that's really only a very low
[8:42] dose of caffeine, but it's enough.
[8:44] Especially if your brain has enough
[8:46] energy to actually do the processing.
[8:49] Scott: Yeah.
[8:49] Along with the synergistic effect
[8:51] of the other ingredients, right?
[8:52] Because I'm always shocked that we have
[8:55] such low doses of all four ingredients
[8:57] really, but somehow because it's just
[8:59] synergistic working on different pathways,
[9:02] neurotransmitter systems, you're able to
[9:04] have this significant effect where people
[9:06] take a half of a troche and it's like,
[9:08] holy shit, my productivity and my focus.
[9:10] It is like that three to five hours
[9:12] of just being able to get things done.
[9:14] It's pretty amazing
[9:16] Boomer: I want to go into the most
[9:17] controversial of the ingredients
[9:19] that's on the list, which is nicotine.
[9:22] And, you know, Nicotine itself,
[9:26] probably a bit demonized.
[9:27] You hinted at an article that was
[9:29] published in scientific American, Ted
[9:31] about, I think it was entitled the most
[9:34] misunderstood nootropic in the world.
[9:36] I've had the pleasure of speaking with
[9:38] Dr Neil Grumberg on this quite a bit, but
[9:42] let's get into nicotine and I'll volley
[9:44] it over to one of you guys because it
[9:46] is a fascinating nootropic when used.
[9:48] Appropriately, probably my favorite
[9:50] single ingredient nootropic.
[9:53] How do we want to look at nicotine
[9:54] as part of blue cannatine?
[9:55] Ted: So for nicotine, actually
[9:58] raises your acetylcholine in
[9:59] the central nervous system.
[10:00] Acetylcholine is
[10:02] responsible for your memory.
[10:04] And that's why it's in there.
[10:07] And because it has been
[10:08] demonized so much, right?
[10:10] It's highly addicting but actually,
[10:12] if you take a look at the studies
[10:14] out there small amounts of nicotine,
[10:15] it's actually not addictive.
[10:17] I mean, you have nicotinic
[10:19] acid inside your body.
[10:20] Why are you running away from it?
[10:22] The key here is because of the
[10:24] demonization from cigarettes which
[10:26] contains not only nicotine but
[10:28] all the other things that burn in
[10:30] cigarette smoke as the additives.
[10:33] That's what actually makes
[10:35] it so addictive, right?
[10:37] And besides there's also
[10:38] an oral fixation, right?
[10:40] You need to have a
[10:41] cigarette in your mouth.
[10:42] That's also a part of the addiction,
[10:44] which you don't have here.
[10:45] so for me, what's going to
[10:47] work that I need to actually
[10:49] be on at that particular time.
[10:52] I have a fantastic memory.
[10:54] I have focus.
[10:54] I'm awake and aware.
[10:56] And at the same time, my
[10:57] brain is energized, right?
[10:58] So that kind of synergy, it's
[11:00] something that you get from,
[11:02] from a drug like Adderall, but
[11:03] Adderall is highly addicting.
[11:05] Right?
[11:05] We prescribe it to so many kids.
[11:07] So, so it's like,
[11:09] Scott: And there
[11:09] Ted: are shortages
[11:10] what's the problem here?
[11:11] And then Boomer, you
[11:12] know, it was really crazy.
[11:14] I had a conversation.
[11:15] With a person from the government
[11:17] about this, and they said,
[11:19] well, you have nicotine in there.
[11:21] And then I said, what the f**k you
[11:23] can buy a 4 miligram gum of nicotine.
[11:26] 400 pieces of them in CVS
[11:29] and you won't bat an eyelash.
[11:31] And here it is, one troche has one
[11:33] milligram and you're saying we can do it.
[11:36] And he said, well, if you
[11:36] put it that way, right.
[11:38] He's like, hello.
[11:40] Scott: Yeah.
[11:40] And just to kind of echo that, I
[11:42] mean, a cigarette typically has
[11:44] about 25 milligrams of nicotine per
[11:47] Boomer: And what is a cigar double that
[11:49] Scott: Cigar is 100, 100
[11:50] milligrams of nicotine.
[11:51] Yeah.
[11:52] And if you're vaping, like those
[11:53] vaping, vape things, whatever
[11:55] you call them, that's typically
[11:57] Boomer: The juul documentary
[11:57] is good, by the way.
[11:58] Scott: Yeah.
[11:58] no, so 25 milligrams per
[12:00] hit or something like that.
[12:01] So it's a ridiculous amount.
[12:02] And then your pouches that people
[12:03] get are about 25 to 50 milligrams.
[12:05] So we are using a very low dose
[12:07] here, one milligram per full troche.
[12:09] And, again, the half dose is
[12:11] typically average for most people.
[12:13] and also, like you said,
[12:14] Ted, I mean, we're not vaping
[12:15] or smoking nicotine either.
[12:17] We're having you slowly dissolve
[12:18] it over 15 to 30 minutes.
[12:20] Yeah.
[12:20] In the buccal cavity, or you can
[12:22] swallow it as you mentioned as well.
[12:23] So for all those reasons, and I did see
[12:25] some studies on, I think it's about less
[12:27] than four milligrams of nicotine per day.
[12:29] It remains in the non addicting level.
[12:31] And that's in people that
[12:32] were vaping and smoking.
[12:33] They don't, I don't think they
[12:34] really checked this in other ways.
[12:35] So I think that we're using a
[12:37] very low dose and it's very safe.
[12:38] And the research on mild
[12:40] cognitive impairment, cognitive
[12:42] performance is just out of control.
[12:45] Ted: The single piece gum that
[12:46] you can buy out there, actually
[12:48] two milligrams of nicotine.
[12:49] Boomer: Yeah.
[12:49] And, and I remember at one point.
[12:52] You and I in the Philippines were
[12:53] experimenting with some other thing
[12:55] you're concocting and we were splitting
[12:57] up gum in the quarters and stuff like
[13:00] this, just because some of us, myself
[13:02] included, are nicotine sensitive.
[13:04] Now the one thing, and I mentioned
[13:06] earlier that nicotine is sort of my
[13:08] favorite single ingredient, nootropic,
[13:10] and you guys know that I carry around the
[13:12] spray, every once in a while with me.
[13:15] The spray contains one milligram,
[13:16] but when you spray, there's this.
[13:19] Reaction, which some people listening
[13:21] to this will remember the bitter
[13:22] beer face commercial, a very similar
[13:24] reaction to what happens when you
[13:26] take nicotine and if you take nicotine
[13:28] straight, it's a very sharp rise.
[13:32] We introduced a third ingredient
[13:33] here, to counteract that rise.
[13:36] Cannabidiol who wants to take this one
[13:40] Ted: that was part of our
[13:40] experimentation before
[13:42] Scott: Yeah, yeah, it was one of those
[13:43] things where, as you said, nicotine
[13:46] can give you this kind of fast jittery
[13:48] feel and not only is it releasing
[13:50] acetylcholine, but also it also affects
[13:52] nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, which
[13:54] then allows other neurotransmitters
[13:56] like dopamine, serotonin,
[13:57] norepinephrine to be released as well.
[13:59] So you get this sort of edgy jitteriness.
[14:02] And then if the first time any of you
[14:03] listening, I've ever tried to smoke a
[14:05] cigarette, you might've vomited like me.
[14:08] Because it can be very jarring to
[14:09] the system if you're not used to it.
[14:11] So the idea was how could we create
[14:13] some sort of neuro protection, in some
[14:16] sort of way to kind of counteract some
[14:19] of that stress on the system, because
[14:21] Back in the day when we first started
[14:23] Troscriptions, we also, Dr Ted, you
[14:25] created different categories of nootropics
[14:28] because the challenge was nootropics
[14:30] are not all created equal, right?
[14:32] You have ones that can stimulate the
[14:33] system and you defined as there was two.
[14:37] Boomer: performance optimization
[14:38] nootropics, health optimization
[14:40] nootropics, and then There's a
[14:41] third one, which we can also cover.
[14:43] Ted: The combination.
[14:44] Scott: Yes.
[14:44] Yeah.
[14:45] So the performance optimization,
[14:46] nootropics in that category
[14:47] were nicotine and caffeine.
[14:49] But we needed things that are also going
[14:50] to support the health of the brain.
[14:51] This is the health
[14:52] optimization, nootropic side.
[14:54] And so this was your CBD and CBD
[14:56] has the capacity to modulate the
[14:58] endocannabinoid system, the internal
[15:00] cannabis system that we have in our
[15:02] brain and our body and regulating
[15:04] something called anandamide specifically.
[15:06] This is a neurotransmitter.
[15:07] That's Known derivation of the word is
[15:10] Ananda from the Sanskrit word bliss.
[15:12] And what anandamide does
[15:13] is give you more bliss.
[15:14] Basically, it makes
[15:15] you feel more blissful.
[15:16] It's neuroprotective.
[15:17] It decreases inflammation.
[15:18] And when you put it in something
[15:20] like blue canadine, what it does is
[15:22] that allows for that slower rise of
[15:25] the effect without that jitteriness.
[15:26] And at the other end of it, it also
[15:28] helps with the slower come down.
[15:30] When you finish the three
[15:31] to five hours of performance
[15:33] optimization with blue cannatine.
[15:35] Boomer: Voila, Dr Ted, anything
[15:38] to add on CBD before I kick over?
[15:41] I think we can actually
[15:42] recap some definitions here.
[15:43] Ted: I was really considering using
[15:45] a little bit of THC to increase
[15:47] the awareness, to increase a little
[15:50] bit the norepinephrine effect.
[15:52] But, well, it's illegal, so
[15:54] Boomer: also thank you for not doing
[15:56] it because it would have created
[15:57] a whole host of headaches around.
[15:58] I think it's IRS rule 280 or
[16:00] Scott: We did look into this.
[16:02] We
[16:02] Ted: We did, We did look we had
[16:04] Boomer: so much time looking
[16:05] at the cannabis industry.
[16:06] Ted: I did take a look at it.
[16:07] I had some, samples that actually had it.
[16:09] The thing is, THC is so inexpensive
[16:12] because no one wants it.
[16:14] And CBD is the one that's expensive.
[16:16] Boomer: Let's round out this conversation
[16:18] on ingredients with methylene blue,
[16:20] and this has become somewhat one of our
[16:23] hero ingredients as a company and to
[16:27] be fair, the first time I came across
[16:28] methylene blue was through you guys.
[16:30] Let's talk about methylene blue
[16:32] and I think I'll kick it over to
[16:33] doctor methylene blue himself.
[16:35] Dr Sher.
[16:36] Why don't you?
[16:37] Scott: Well,
[16:38] Boomer: Kick us off there.
[16:39] Scott: before I do actually, Ted, I
[16:40] actually trying to remember because I
[16:43] mean, methylene blue been around forever.
[16:44] When did you start actually reading
[16:46] about it and getting interested in it?
[16:47] Because you were the first person to
[16:48] ever mention this compound to me as well.
[16:51] Ted: Yes, I was looking for compounds
[16:55] that can actually rev up the
[16:57] mitochondria very, very quickly.
[17:00] Right?
[17:00] I wanted energy production quickly.
[17:03] Over a decade now, someone dubbed
[17:04] me as the mitochondria doctor,
[17:06] and I don't know how that stuck.
[17:08] But one of the
[17:09] Scott: some awesome lectures, that's why
[17:11] Ted: the model that I use of the
[17:12] body really is the structural,
[17:15] side and the energetic side.
[17:17] The structural side, we know a
[17:18] lot about it, but the energetic
[17:20] side, we really know so little.
[17:23] I began studying and lecturing about the
[17:25] mitochondria getting insulted by medical
[17:28] associations that they wouldn't give
[17:30] a continuing medical education credits
[17:32] because doctors already know about that.
[17:34] It's as if there was no more
[17:35] advances in mitochondria.
[17:37] Right?
[17:37] And I found that really
[17:39] extremely insulting.
[17:39] That's why I continued, doing this
[17:41] and the compound that really found
[17:43] very, very effective as an electron
[17:45] donor mitochondria, which had an
[17:47] immediate effect was methylene blue.
[17:50] And so I said, I don't care
[17:51] what the status of this is.
[17:53] I said, this is the first ingredient that
[17:55] is actually going to consider because
[17:57] when I took it, it lifted my brain fog.
[17:59] When you're jet lagged and you take
[18:01] it, it's like, it lifts your brain fog.
[18:03] The quickest one that, that actually
[18:06] generates energy for you, not
[18:07] only brain energy, but energy for
[18:09] entire body was methylene blue.
[18:11] And of course, after all the research
[18:13] you go through all the rabbit hole.
[18:15] Red Cross uses it as an antiviral for
[18:17] blood together with phototherapy but
[18:20] those were for me, the side research
[18:22] the main thing I was looking at is
[18:24] how to energize the cells in the body.
[18:26] And that's the core of why I
[18:29] actually love methylene blue.
[18:31] I know Boomer, you were, extremely
[18:33] instrumental in us actually developing,
[18:36] educating the market and now leading the
[18:38] market in terms of Methylene Blue, and
[18:41] I'm glad we've, come to this stage where
[18:43] we're actually right, right there at the
[18:45] top of, educating and actually continuing
[18:48] to serve the market in this way.
[18:50] Scott: It's been an interesting
[18:50] ride though, man, because.
[18:52] Methylene blue has taken a lot of
[18:53] education has taken a lot of education
[18:55] from, the pure social media side
[18:57] of things and getting education out
[18:59] there and talking to the community,
[19:00] but also obviously getting on lecture
[19:01] stages as I have and talking to
[19:03] professionals about methylene blue.
[19:05] And it really hasn't been
[19:06] until about a year ago.
[19:07] We've been doing this now for over
[19:09] four years where we start to really
[19:11] start to see a huge inflection point
[19:13] in people's interest just more
[19:14] and more people coming our way.
[19:15] I mean, I know we were shocked when we
[19:17] first came out with our pure Methylene
[19:18] blue product, which we'll get to another
[19:20] time, but in general it's been really
[19:22] interesting over the last year or so
[19:23] just to see the huge interest in it
[19:26] from all different types of people.
[19:28] In the beginning, when it was during
[19:29] COVID, we launched the company just a year
[19:31] before the lockdowns and everything, there
[19:33] was different reasons people were using
[19:34] Boomer: before months before
[19:35] Scott: Yeah.
[19:36] It was like a month or something.
[19:37] It was crazy.
[19:37] Yeah.
[19:37] Yeah.
[19:38] But when it comes to Methylene blue, what
[19:39] I love about it it's what's called the
[19:41] redox cycler, which means that it can do
[19:43] what's required, kind of like an adaptogen
[19:45] a little bit for your mitochondria.
[19:46] So it can help you make
[19:48] more energy if you need it.
[19:49] And if you need to help have more
[19:50] detoxification, more antioxidant
[19:52] capacity, it can help you there too.
[19:54] So in blue cannatine, what's really
[19:56] great about it is that this very
[19:58] low dose is really just focused
[20:00] on pure mitochondrial optimization
[20:04] and having that as a supportive.
[20:06] Became the final category of nootropics
[20:08] that Dr Ted, you created, which
[20:09] was called a bluetropic, right?
[20:11] One that supported the brain at
[20:13] the same time as it could improve
[20:14] the fitness of a brain, any brain
[20:17] to really perform a certain task
[20:19] Ted: Yeah, because that, you know,
[20:20] that comes from a definition of
[20:21] health and fitness, health and
[20:22] fitness are really different things.
[20:24] And when you're using a performance
[20:25] optimization nootropic, like, nicotine,
[20:28] for example, it will tax the brain.
[20:30] So you're overclocking the brain.
[20:31] So before you overclock the brain, make
[20:33] sure that it is healthy first, right?
[20:36] Otherwise, you will get your
[20:37] performance and then you will
[20:39] get sick right afterwards, right?
[20:41] Or your brain cannot
[20:42] recover very, very quickly.
[20:44] And that's the difference between a.
[20:45] Health optimization nootropic versus a
[20:47] performance optimization nootropic, right?
[20:50] Your brain is healthy, but it's
[20:51] not fit to do certain things
[20:53] like dogfights, for example.
[20:55] That may be fit, but it's not
[20:57] healthy because it will just crash.
[20:58] afterwards when it's done what it's doing.
[21:01] Boomer: So I want to transition
[21:02] now into a discussion around
[21:04] favorite case studies or use cases.
[21:06] You've heard for blue cannatine again.
[21:09] It's been out for a few years now.
[21:11] We have in some ways, improve the taste of
[21:14] it, but also over time We've collected a
[21:18] number of different case studies feedback.
[21:20] We still get them every day.
[21:22] What's been the favorite ones
[21:23] that you guys have heard?
[21:25] Ted: Scott and I, are active medical
[21:27] physicians doing clinics and I formulated
[21:30] just for myself and people started to
[21:32] follow because they had focus, et cetera.
[21:34] But the thing that if I was able
[21:36] to do in the clinics, really,
[21:37] even if I don't recommend this
[21:39] to children.
[21:40] The thing that, I was, really proud
[21:42] about was being able to set up a protocol
[21:45] for those adults who are on Adderall
[21:49] and would like to get off Adderall
[21:50] because it's incredibly addicting.
[21:52] So, I had a case of another physician
[21:55] who has been four years addicted to
[21:57] Adderall, and within six months we
[21:59] were able to titrate his Adderall
[22:01] dose downwards and increase his
[22:03] blue cannatine dose upwards, right?
[22:05] And for me that's a success story, right?
[22:08] And then now he needs no Adderall
[22:11] and very little blue cannatine.
[22:13] If we can just wean off people
[22:15] who actually want to get rid of
[22:17] Adderall because Adderall is just
[22:18] really extremely addicting, right?
[22:20] If I had no willpower, I would
[22:21] not wean myself off Adderall, but
[22:23] Adderall has a very sharp feel to it.
[22:26] I'm not knocking Adderall.
[22:27] I mean, it has its uses.
[22:28] Right?
[22:28] But for those who would like to get
[22:30] weaned off it, you can, as a physician
[22:32] you want to take a patient off and
[22:34] the patient wants to be off it.
[22:36] You can devise a protocol of
[22:37] titration downwards, lateral
[22:39] and upwards of blue cannatine.
[22:41] And that for me is my best
[22:42] use of blue cannatine.
[22:45] Scott: I think that the key is that
[22:46] if you're thinking about stopping
[22:48] a medication, if you're listening,
[22:49] you really have to do this with a
[22:50] practitioner supervising you because
[22:52] it's not an easy thing to do.
[22:53] And it's not something that we'd
[22:55] ever recommend that you do without
[22:56] somebody working with you very closely.
[22:58] But in those cases, like Dr Ted, I've
[23:00] had a lot of great successes and we
[23:01] have a lot of clinicians that work
[23:02] with us that have had those kinds
[23:04] of successes in a similar frame.
[23:06] The other area that I've
[23:07] seen a lot of benefit in.
[23:09] People that have had post infectious
[23:11] kinds of mitochondrial dysfunction.
[23:13] There's going to be any kind of infection.
[23:15] You can imagine anything from
[23:17] your molds, your limes, your
[23:18] COVIDs and things like that.
[23:19] Like we're not treating those.
[23:20] That's not what I'm saying.
[23:21] I'm saying that after you have those
[23:23] kinds of things, your mitochondria
[23:24] are often pretty messed up.
[23:26] And it takes a while for you to get
[23:28] better and the brain fog, the fatigue,
[23:30] the concentration problems can be real.
[23:32] And so just adding a little bit
[23:34] of this has done significant
[23:37] work to helping people recover.
[23:38] And I've seen a lot of this, over and
[23:40] over again over the last four years.
[23:41] And even to people that don't have any.
[23:43] Issues really, like they
[23:44] have a pretty good mind.
[23:46] They feel like they're pretty
[23:46] motivated most of the time.
[23:48] And what's the average attention
[23:50] span of most people now?
[23:51] It's about like two and a half
[23:52] seconds or something like that.
[23:53] Right?
[23:53] So take some blue cannatine and it's
[23:55] going to increase your concentration,
[23:56] your focus for three to five hours.
[23:58] So that's going to help almost
[23:59] anybody is living in the world
[24:01] where a Tik Tok and Instagram and
[24:03] Snapchat are right on your phone.
[24:05] And you keep swiping like
[24:06] Boomer does, you know, so
[24:08] Boomer: I'm not on Tik TOK, but
[24:11] Ted: well, you know,
[24:12] Boomer: this exact reason.
[24:13] Ted: Before they would
[24:14] go to the gym, right?
[24:15] They would like, take
[24:16] half a blue cannatine,
[24:17] Scott: pre workout
[24:18] Ted: before they go work out.
[24:20] And they have a more focused
[24:21] workout and you know, a little
[24:22] Boomer: Yeah I think because you
[24:25] guys touched on a lot of the clinical
[24:26] applications, and I guess these are
[24:28] kind of clinical, but more on the
[24:30] performance side of it, you do see
[24:33] people taking a half before the gym.
[24:35] Of course, a lot of the feedback that
[24:38] I saw among athletes that I talked to
[24:40] was around endurance and in particular,
[24:43] a half allowing them to either pace a
[24:45] workout better pace a marathon better.
[24:49] That seemed to work really well.
[24:51] And then this, the one story that I'm
[24:55] reminded of is a friend who's in private
[24:56] equity and he's in the position in
[25:00] his career where he's responsible for
[25:01] sourcing deals and a private equity deal.
[25:03] When you go out and buy a
[25:05] company, his job is to effectively
[25:08] figure out where the holes are.
[25:10] What is he not seeing?
[25:12] What could potentially cause
[25:13] the whole deal to go bust.
[25:15] And he says that blue cannatine is the
[25:17] best thing for him to do on the weekend
[25:19] before, essentially the committee meeting
[25:21] where they make the decision to, to
[25:23] buy the company because he's able to
[25:25] see patterns or perhaps see things in
[25:29] a different way and it allows them to
[25:31] be a more effective decision maker.
[25:32] So just a couple of clinical performance
[25:35] related, benefits of blue cannatine too.
[25:38] Scott: Lots of great stories.
[25:39] We've had it out in the market now
[25:40] for four, four and a half years.
[25:42] And the cool thing about it is it's tight
[25:43] tradable, like the rest of our products.
[25:46] So you can start with a
[25:47] quarter, go to a half or full.
[25:49] If you're at a conference, we usually
[25:50] recommend a full, just kidding.
[25:52] You're already overstimulated
[25:53] at those things
[25:54] Boomer: I've only tried a full
[25:55] once and I'm a pretty, I'm not
[25:57] a heavy caffeine user, but I use
[25:59] caffeine regularly or used to.
[26:00] Ted: That's the benefit of a troche,
[26:02] it's scored into quarters and you could
[26:04] quarter them and, being trained in
[26:06] pharmacology I'd like to know exactly
[26:08] what dose is getting into my patient.
[26:11] Right?
[26:12] Even though we are a formula, I
[26:14] still handle our trochies like
[26:16] bona fide drugs themselves, right?
[26:18] The safety of the person
[26:20] is actually taking it.
[26:21] They know exactly how much they're taking.
[26:24] You know, even, Scott, you remember, I
[26:26] even insisted right from the start that
[26:28] this would have child proof packaging,
[26:30] Yes, and people hates us for that and
[26:34] the first packaging that came out was
[26:36] really expensive because it was like
[26:38] plastic and it was very good looking,
[26:41] but it was really very expensive.
[26:43] That's the way I wanted our
[26:44] formulas handled, right?
[26:46] With the respect and deference
[26:48] that we have, that we do when
[26:50] we're actually handling, a drug.
[26:52] Boomer: Well, we have a moniker
[26:53] for that precision to physician
[26:55] formulated pharmaceutical grade.
[26:56] Similar to, I think it was
[26:58] Tchaikovsky's first concerto, right?
[27:00] It took three years to get going.
[27:01] We're getting going here.
[27:03] Any, final words before we round out
[27:06] this, uh, and dismount this podcast.
[27:08] Ted: all the research and all the
[27:10] information that I have on blue cannatine.
[27:14] I put together in some complex lecture
[27:17] or lectures and then Dr Scott gladly
[27:21] accepted them and transform them
[27:24] into something that is actually
[27:27] Boomer: Doctors Digestible
[27:30] Scott: somebody can actually understand
[27:31] Ted: That contributed a lot, not only
[27:33] to the success of blue cannatine, but
[27:35] really on in terms of the leadership
[27:37] of ours in the area of methylene blue.
[27:40] Dr Scott is now called
[27:41] Dr Methylene Blue, right?
[27:42] He's a
[27:43] Boomer: can almost, if you're
[27:43] watching this on video, you
[27:44] can see I'm blushing right
[27:45] Scott: Yeah,
[27:46] Ted: and
[27:46] Scott: almost blue.
[27:47] Ted: it's so nice now that when we're in
[27:49] a booth together, I'm totally ignored
[27:52] and they go, "Oh, I wanted to talk to Dr.
[27:54] Scott about methylene blue."
[27:55] Okay.
[27:57] That's perfectly fine with me.
[28:02] He's now, he's, you know, he's now
[28:03] more non liberal than I am because
[28:05] he's done a lot more research on it.
[28:07] And most of all he's done
[28:09] a lot more translation.
[28:10] And that's really beneficial
[28:12] to all users of the product.
[28:14] Scott: There's tons of blogs on the
[28:15] website on all of the ingredients,
[28:17] multiple blogs on nicotine, tons
[28:19] on methylene blue, CBD, caffeine.
[28:22] It's all
[28:22] there for people to listen, read, and
[28:25] tons of more information on the website.
[28:26] You guys can check out
[28:27] too, if you're interested.
[28:28] Boomer: everybody.
[28:29] Have a wonderful day.

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