# What Most People Get Wrong About Indigenous Plant Medicine | SNH Podcast #153

An episode of [Health Optimization Medicine Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663974629), 10 Dec 2025, 58 min.

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In this episode of the Smarter Not Harder Podcast, Dr. Bia Labate joins Boomer Anderson for a deeply honest, educational, and wide-ranging conversation about ayahuasca, psychedelic churches, Indigenous reciprocity, and the founding story of Chacruna — one of the most influential organizations in the psychedelic space. Join us as we delve into: • Why the psychedelic movement needs decolonization and critical dialogue • How Bia became a hub for global ayahuasca culture • The role of Chacruna in academic activism and social justice • The legal, ethical, and cultural realities of psychedelic churches today This episode is for you if: • You're curious about the non-clinical side of psychedelic healing • You want to understand Indigenous reciprocity and decolonizing philanthropy • You care about equity, ethics, and the future of psychedelics • You want to learn from one of the most trusted voices in the psychedelic movement You can also find this episode on… Youtube: https://youtu.be/mT2X41sXOUE Find more from Dr. Bia Labate: Website: https://chacruna.net/bia/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/labatebia/ Find more from Smarter Not Harder: Website: https://troscriptions.com/blogs/podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/troscriptions HOMeHOPe Virtual Symposium 2026: https://homehope.org/homehope-virtual-symposium-2026 Get 10% Off your purchase of the Metabolomics module by using PODCAST10 at https://www.homehope.org Get 10% Off your Troscriptions purchase by using POD10 at https://www.troscriptions.com Get daily content from the hosts of Smarter Not Harder by following @troscriptions on Instagram.

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