# The Pendulum has Swung Back with Guest Fifth Ring | Ep 41

An episode of [Oil and Gas Sales and Marketing Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663565581), 6 Mar 2024, 25 min.

Audio: https://media.blubrry.com/oil_and_gas_this_week/media.blubrry.com/oilandgassalesandmarketing/ins.blubrry.com/oilandgassalesandmarketing/ogsm041.mp3

Mark and Matt sit down with Todd and Ian with Fifth Ring and discuss how the views and perception around oil and gas is changing both in the EU and the US, the importance of staying true to who you are, and how unexpectedly the renewable industry needs help with their messaging. Plus, Matt tries really hard not to lose half our audience! Brought to you on OGGN, the largest and most listened-to podcast network for the oil and energy industry. Todd Gregory: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jtoddgregory/ Ian Ord: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ian-ord-9019a43/overlay/about-this-profile/ Fifth Ring: https://www.fifthring.com/ Sign up for OGGN newsletters here. Visit the OGGN Merch store here. Curious about podcast advertising? Learn more here. Mark LaCour | Matt Bertram OGGN | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | TikTok EWR Digital | LinkedIn Enjoying the show? Leave us a review here! More from OGGN … Podcasts LinkedIn Group LinkedIn Company Page Get notified about industry events

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