# Episode 083 - Johns, Jerry & James

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 16 Sep 2024, 1 h 02 min.

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Do you know how in 1951 at Johns Hopkins Hospital, a young black woman suffering from cervical cancer changed the face of modern medicine? Do you know what is the Indian equivalent of a Nepali Jerry? Do you know how a tribute on MLK Day in a town in Florida, turn into a huge gaffe, by a simple error in naming? Tune in to find out!! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/areyouquizzingme Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@areyouquizzingme/podcasts

## Transcript

[0:00] Welcome to Are you Quizzing Me. I am Vineet Nair with my Co host
[0:04] Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia
[0:07] podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into
[0:10] history, science, pop culture and so much more.
[0:14] Let's get quizzing and we're back for episode number 83 of
[0:21] Are You Quizzing me? Your favorite quizzing and
[0:24] trivia podcast show. Aditya and I are back for
[0:27] another round of quizzing and let's start off today's
[0:31] proceedings with our regular audience question.
[0:34] For those who came in late, this is a question I asked at the
[0:37] beginning of every episode and which I answer at the end of it.
[0:42] The question for this week is for the first time, a listicle
[0:46] or a connect question, 1 of Aditya's favorite types of
[0:49] question. I want you, my dear audience, to
[0:52] connect the following people and tell me what is common with all
[0:56] of them. So you have William Shakespeare
[0:59] port and playwright Walter Dimer, inventor of bubble gum
[1:04] George Machine Gun Kelly, a gangster, King Kamehameha the
[1:09] 5th the king of Hawaii, Ingrid Bergman, legendary actress and
[1:14] Milton Glaser the graphic designer who created the iconic
[1:17] I love New York logo and Co founded the New York magazine.
[1:22] This is a non exhaustive list and this is some of the most
[1:24] famous entries on the complete list.
[1:26] So I want you to tell me, what do all these people have in
[1:30] common? I will answer this question at
[1:32] the end of today's episode. Coming to our regular quizzing
[1:36] Aditya, why don't you start us off for this week?
[1:39] I shall do that. So starting off, I'm going to
[1:43] give you something you'll probably enjoy, so something
[1:46] from your interests and field of work.
[1:50] OK, I'm. Going to tell you about a person
[1:53] and even identify the person and the relevance they have in the
[1:57] field of medicine today. OK, so the person in question is
[2:04] X, was born in 1920, died in 1951.
[2:08] An American lady, an African American woman, lived in the US
[2:12] in the state of Virginia in 1951.
[2:15] So I'm going to focus some more on her death.
[2:17] She died of cervical cancer. She was a young mother, only 31
[2:21] years old of five. She visited John Hopkins
[2:24] Hospital complaining of vaginal bleeding.
[2:27] Upon examination, a renowned gynecologist, Doctor Howard
[2:31] Jones, discovered a large malignant tumor on her cervix.
[2:35] At this point of time, John Hopkins Hospital was one of the
[2:37] very few hospitals to treat poor African Americans in the United
[2:42] States of America. Soon thereafter, she began
[2:44] undergoing radiant treatment for her cervical cancer.
[2:47] This was the best medical treatment available at the time
[2:50] for that disease. Obviously it's not used anymore
[2:53] so this is just a very brief summary of mostly how she passed
[2:57] away at a very young age. Can you tell me what legacy did
[3:01] this lady leave and if you can guess what her name is?
[3:05] Who am I talking about? So Aditya, you're talking about
[3:09] Henrietta Lacks, whose cell is currently her being probably the
[3:15] longest continuing cell line, which is used for all sorts of
[3:18] testing. And she was also subject of a
[3:22] very fantastic book by the name, if I'm not mistaken, it's called
[3:26] The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks.
[3:29] So her line of cells, which are used for multiple medical
[3:32] applications today, including the study of cancer and for the
[3:36] treatment and study of drugs and many other fields, they were
[3:39] called hey, LA cells or which are short for Henrietta Lack
[3:43] cells. And there's also quite a lot of
[3:45] controversy going on about patient rights around the use of
[3:49] her tissue for so many decades after her death because I don't
[3:53] believe she ever gave consent. And one last flex.
[3:57] It's a Johns, not John Hopkins. It's Johns Hopkins Hospital.
[4:01] And there ends my flex. Well, I stand corrected.
[4:07] Yes, you're right. It is Johns Hopkins Hospital.
[4:09] Yeah, you can act that very quickly.
[4:11] I think I gave too much of A setup.
[4:13] I should have left it. I just named this person X and I
[4:16] would have not been surprised if you still got it immediately.
[4:20] No, I mean like I obviously if even if you hadn't told me
[4:23] medicine black woman died of cervical cancer at Johns
[4:28] Hopkins, the answer would have been quite obvious.
[4:30] Yeah, to a man of your interests and your academic background, I
[4:35] would assume. I am a pathologist after all.
[4:37] This is she. Her name is quite familiar to
[4:40] pathologists. Fair enough, fair enough to give
[4:42] reference to some of our listeners who might not be very
[4:45] aware, but I would recommend going and reading.
[4:47] There are multiple great articles covering the impact
[4:49] that she has had and also the controversy surrounding using
[4:52] her cells, which are the longest, as we need said,
[4:55] longest line of cells that are being still used in medical
[4:57] research. One of the most recent
[4:59] applications was in research for vaccines against COVID-19.
[5:03] So as recently as COVID-19, just a few years ago, the pandemic
[5:08] was partially solved because of Andreeta LAX.
[5:12] And the problem is, or the controversy is that for decades
[5:15] after her death, doctors and scientists repeatedly failed to
[5:18] ask her family for consent and they kept revealing her name
[5:21] publicly. They gave her medical records to
[5:23] the media, even published her cells genome online.
[5:27] So it was eventually removed. Following an outcry, the genome
[5:30] was removed. But there is controversy
[5:33] surrounding the use of this woman's legacy.
[5:37] At the same time, cannot deny the impact that it has had and
[5:41] the way it has changed science. So yes, here last cells.
[5:44] I was recently introduced to this by a friend of mine who
[5:48] works, or rather has worked in the genome sequencing lab.
[5:52] And she when she first handled Hayla cells, she felt like she
[5:55] was part of some storied legacy. And I can imagine how that must
[5:58] feel. Have any?
[5:59] Have you ever handled any Hayla cells?
[6:01] No, no, I work in the diagnostic part of the industry, not in the
[6:05] research, but the research section of the medical
[6:09] industries. They are the ones who come into
[6:11] contact with us and use this line of cells mate.
[6:14] Fair enough. Well, Vineet, that was an easy
[6:17] one. That was a softball for you.
[6:19] So your turn hit me with your question.
[6:22] Yes, and I don't remember the name of the author, but there is
[6:26] a very good book by the name The Immortal Life of Henrietta
[6:30] Lacks, which also I would recommend.
[6:32] So moving on from something which I would be very familiar
[6:35] to, to something that maybe you should be very familiar with.
[6:40] All right. I'm nailing segues right now.
[6:42] The exact origins of X as we know it are disputed, though
[6:47] it's broadly thought to be from West Asia.
[6:50] It's known by different names such as Meshbek in Egypt, Zulbia
[6:55] in Iran, and Jerry in Nepal. Y looks very similar to X,
[7:01] though there are marked differences between the two.
[7:04] For example, Y is thicker than X and is usually shaped
[7:08] differently too. The oldest surviving shop
[7:11] selling Y is Benny Rams, located in Jaunpur.
[7:16] I want you to identify what X&Y are.
[7:20] Very interesting, I was initially thinking since you
[7:22] mentioned the Middle East, for some reason my mind went to
[7:25] carpets. Oh, OK.
[7:26] A stereotype as it might be, but now that you said Benny Rams it,
[7:33] it makes me think of Haldirams and I'm thinking this has to be
[7:36] some Middle Eastern inspired dessert or some sweet dish that
[7:43] we're talking about. You're half right.
[7:45] OK, half. Right.
[7:47] Interesting. And you're not going to tell you
[7:49] which half? I imagine?
[7:51] No. OK, tell me the names again.
[7:54] What are the names that they were referred to as?
[7:57] It's like a common ancestry thing.
[7:58] Let me just clarify that. Because we have a common
[8:00] ancestor like we are not descended from monkeys, right?
[8:04] Monkeys and humans have a common ancestor.
[8:06] Similarly, there is a common kind of origin to this
[8:10] particular X and many versions of it which are available in
[8:14] Middle East and West Asia, some of which are called Meshbek in
[8:18] Egypt, Zulbia in Iran, and Jerry in Nepal.
[8:22] Now Y is very similar to X. It looks very similar.
[8:27] So I said you could mistake X for Y or Y for X.
[8:30] However, there are market differences between the two.
[8:33] Y is thicker than X, usually shaped differently and the
[8:36] oldest surviving shop selling Why is Benny Rams located in
[8:40] Jaunpur? Zulbia takes me to Jalebi and he
[8:46] said Jerry as well. So Jerry Zulbia, I'm going
[8:48] Jalebi on that. OK.
[8:50] Which means Y has to be an emarti haha.
[8:53] So X is jalebi and Y is emarti. My clue to you was going to be
[8:57] the first episode of the Indian version of The Night Manager.
[9:00] Oh, right, right, right. Yes, yes.
[9:03] A plot point in that for I don't know what reason, the
[9:07] protagonist comes in contact with the young girl who's about
[9:11] to be married off to an older gentleman, and the young girl
[9:14] keeps asking for an emarti, which I found was a weird plot
[9:19] point. So you cracked that again quite
[9:22] quickly, as I was expecting. It is indeed the jalebi and the
[9:26] emarti. They look very similar, but
[9:28] their origins are different and people who've had them I'm told
[9:32] are quite militant about their differences and will not accept.
[9:36] Emarti is being called jalebis, though I myself am not in that
[9:41] particular category. Since it is from your neck of
[9:44] the woods, your hometown, what's your opinion?
[9:46] Aditya, I remember being a very young child and going to Lucknow
[9:52] to visit my grandparents and my grandfather, my paternal
[9:56] grandfather, who I used to call Baba.
[9:58] Baba would buy jalevis for us, for me and my cousins, so for
[10:02] all us kids. And I could not for my life
[10:05] remember the name. So I used to call it garam
[10:07] biscuit. So it was just a hot biscuit, a
[10:10] garam biscuit because it was crunchy, it was nice.
[10:13] And I used to always ask Baba for garam biscuits.
[10:16] So garam biscuit became a thing that even today, my parents, you
[10:19] know how parents have this thing where they refer to things that
[10:21] you did as a child and assume that you're going to still be
[10:23] the same. And I'm like, I'm 31 years old,
[10:27] don't call Jalevi Garam biscuit anymore.
[10:29] But we have my parents still like, oh, would you like some
[10:32] Garam biscuit? That was kind of A twist in the
[10:36] tale because when you say when you started up your story
[10:39] talking about your grandfather taking you to Lucknow, I was.
[10:42] Oh, OK, so then that must be his first exposure to IMRTI.
[10:45] But no, it turned out to be Jalebi.
[10:48] My grandfather was biased towards Jalebi.
[10:50] I have to admit though at this age right now, currently I'm
[10:54] much more of an Emirati person and yes they are different
[10:57] Vineet. I can't can't abide by you
[11:00] saying that they are the same. No texture matters this like.
[11:03] I'm not saying they're the same, but it's like, you know, they're
[11:06] too close to be for you to kind of think they're like, OK,
[11:10] they're completely different. But again, we, let's not get
[11:13] into that. I can see Aditya's brow
[11:15] furrowing. He's getting ready for a long
[11:17] discussion and we don't have the time to edit anything more, so
[11:20] let's just keep her. Fine, you know what?
[11:23] I'll grant you that we will leave this as it is.
[11:25] But I must say, if Charles Darwin had tried to explain
[11:30] evolution by saying, you know how Imati and Jalevi have a
[11:33] common ancestor, That's how human beings and monkeys are.
[11:37] Yeah, loved how you use that to explain common essence, monkeys
[11:42] and human beings. Jalebis and Embertis same thing.
[11:44] Yeah, yeah. Fair enough, fair enough.
[11:48] OK, so from this case of mistaken identity, I'm going to
[11:56] ask you a question about when that actually happened to human
[11:58] beings and not to deserts. So this is story of 2002 in the
[12:06] town of Lauderhill in Florida in the United States of America.
[12:10] X was invited to be the keynote speaker at the MLK Day
[12:16] celebration at the Martin Luther King Day celebration.
[12:20] To express their appreciation for X, the town worked with a
[12:24] local company to have a plaque made that thanked him for, and I
[12:29] hear I'm quoting, Keeping the Dream Alive.
[12:33] The plaque featured images of special edition US stamps that
[12:36] honoured black men and women, including Harriet Tubman, poet
[12:40] Paul Dunbar and Martin Luther King Junior himself.
[12:44] It would have been a lovely tribute to this distinguished
[12:49] and accomplished gentleman X on a very solemn occasion.
[12:52] Except. Except.
[12:54] And that's why it's featured on a trivia podcast.
[12:56] Somebody messed up and messed up so hard because they messed up
[13:01] the last name of this person and instead of being a tribute on
[13:06] MLK, it almost became an insult on MLK day especially.
[13:10] Do you know what mistake was made and who X is?
[13:17] Well, OK, I have no clue. So you're talking about somebody
[13:24] who was going to be a guest and they were being honored for
[13:30] keeping the dream alive, right? Yeah.
[13:33] Yeah, So that I'm guessing that's a reference to MLK's
[13:36] famous speech. I have a dream person would be
[13:39] judged by the content of his character, not by the color of
[13:42] his skin, right. This would probably be somebody
[13:45] who's done a lot for civil rights.
[13:47] In a way, as would have been obvious by now, X is a black
[13:51] man, is a black individual, and he did a lot in his field to
[13:57] sort of gain recognition for the black people in that particular
[14:01] industry. So I don't know if he
[14:03] specifically would today be remembered as a social activist,
[14:07] but whatever he did in whatever field he did, that had a large
[14:12] and varied social impact. So yes, in a way he did 'cause
[14:15] great social change. I don't know why, but Denzel
[14:18] Washington comes to mind. Phenomenal because you have
[14:21] narrowed it down to the right industry.
[14:23] It is an actor that I speak of. But no, Denzel is not the right
[14:27] answer. OK, so then the other black
[14:31] artists OK, say 2002, which means that that person's legacy
[14:36] would have stretched and further back in the 70s and 80s.
[14:39] So then my next guess again would be Sidney Poitier.
[14:45] Sidney Poitier, again a very famous black actor, did a lot to
[14:50] establish the black man in Hollywood and and break the
[14:54] tropes that were associated with black actors.
[14:58] But no, in this case we are not talking about Sydney Poitier
[15:00] either. Good guess though.
[15:01] Oh yeah. I would recommend focusing on
[15:03] the second-half of the question, which spoke about how the person
[15:07] who messed up, the person who was given the task of deciding
[15:11] the plaque who messed up, messed up specifically by ruining the
[15:16] last name of this person. So I'll give you a further clue.
[15:19] It's a three word name. Samuel L Jackson.
[15:23] It isn't Samuel L Jackson either.
[15:26] Oh OK, now this is getting interesting.
[15:28] And here I'll have to point to the fact that when he mess up
[15:31] the last name of this person, it instead of being a tribute on
[15:35] MLK Day, it became quite the insult on MLK Day specifically
[15:39] on Martin Luther King Junior Day specifically.
[15:42] Oh God, actor, African American actor, three word name and the
[15:51] last name was OK. Just of a tangent, just to
[15:56] remind me, what was the name of the assassin who shot Martin
[16:00] Luther King? That's the crack right there.
[16:03] It was some Lee, right? No, no, I think you're thinking
[16:06] Lee Harvey Oswald. No, no, no, no.
[16:08] Lee Harvey Oswald, it was. It's OK.
[16:12] It's on the back of my head. James Earl Jones.
[16:16] Ah, Vineeth, well done, well done.
[16:19] That is the right answer. So James Earl Jones the
[16:23] phenomenal, the talented the. Mufasa.
[16:28] Yeah, Mufasa and Darth Vader and every great voice that you've
[16:32] ever heard in a Hollywood film belongs to James Earl Jones.
[16:36] And that is the individual I talk of because James Earl Jones
[16:39] was supposed to be honored in 2002 in Florida and the town
[16:44] designed the plaque and Oh my God, how do you mess up so bad?
[16:47] Because instead of writing James Earl Jones, they wrote James
[16:49] Earl Ray who was the assassin of Martin Luther King.
[16:54] So it is quite the insult. Odd MLK day to be giving a
[16:58] plaque honouring somebody for keeping the dream alive.
[17:02] Or like the word choices are also so.
[17:04] Oh. God, yeah, yeah.
[17:06] It does not reflect well. So keeping the dream alive, it
[17:09] was James Earl Jones. Instead it said James Earl Ray.
[17:12] To his credit, James Earl Jones took it in his pride and it was
[17:16] eventually corrected and the right name was put in his place.
[17:20] The reason that I came across this piece of trivia?
[17:22] As so many of you might know, James Earl Jones recently passed
[17:26] away. Some lovely tributes came his
[17:28] way from actors who worked with him.
[17:30] I particularly like the Mark Hamill's tribute where he said
[17:34] something along the lines of Goodbye Dad.
[17:36] Mark Hamill having played Luke Skywalker and James Earl Jones
[17:39] played Darth Vader, Anakin Skywalker.
[17:43] Wow, that is a goof up of gargantuan proportions.
[17:49] But let's move from one goof up to a not so goof up.
[17:57] Just pushing it as a segue. And I'm sticking to it.
[18:01] This is not a goof up. OK, all right, all right.
[18:04] So you must have heard of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.
[18:07] It was a scheduled flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that
[18:10] was shot down by Russian controlled forces on 17th July
[18:14] 2014 while flying over eastern Ukraine.
[18:17] See, I told you, not a goof up. Not a goof up here.
[18:21] Due to the challenging conditions and the needs of
[18:23] preservation of the bodies of the people who died in the
[18:26] crash, formaldehyde, a preservative, was used to slow
[18:30] down decomposition and to prevent rapid deterioration of
[18:33] the bodies. However, there was a flip side
[18:37] to that. Since formaldehyde can breakdown
[18:39] DNA as it did, it made it difficult for DNA matching and
[18:45] identification of the bodies. In a tremendous feat, scientists
[18:50] were fortunately able to identify the remains of 294 of
[18:56] the 298 victims by 2014 and 296 out of 298 by 2016.
[19:04] This was due to a state-of-the-art victim
[19:07] identification program called X. The reason behind the name is
[19:15] that in the Kingdom of Holland, circa 1811, X was instrumental
[19:21] in formally introducing the use of the first and last names by
[19:26] establishing the registry office.
[19:28] Essentially, he played a pivotal role in the way people are
[19:32] identified by their names. In the similar way X, the
[19:36] program aims to give back names to unidentified individuals
[19:42] through DNA identification. So tell me what the name of this
[19:46] victim identification program is which is based off a real life
[19:49] person's name. I'm assuming this person is
[19:52] famous and I would have heard of this person.
[19:55] Yes. Oh yeah, definitely.
[19:58] Oh, interesting. And this person is Dutch, right?
[20:00] Is it Kingdom of Holland? Yes, so this person did this in
[20:03] the Kingdom of Holland roughly around 1811. 1811, somebody who
[20:09] lived the Kingdom of Holland. Oh boy.
[20:12] That's Nope, Nope. Nothing immediately comes to
[20:15] mind. So could you repeat?
[20:17] What were they known for? Like, what did they manage to
[20:19] achieve? Something to do with their first
[20:20] names and last names, right? Yeah, this X basically
[20:23] established a registry office in Holland, which was the first of
[20:27] its kind, and that was where people were officially
[20:32] identified on paper using first and last names.
[20:34] I will talk a little bit about, there's another bit of trivia
[20:37] about first and last names and how people have been identified
[20:41] over the years. But let's just say that the
[20:43] official use of that new in Europe of having a registry with
[20:47] people being identified by their first and last names was first
[20:51] done and established by X in around 1811.
[20:55] OK. So honoring that, this victim
[20:58] identification program came to be called X.
[21:03] You did mention, or rather you conspicuously didn't mention,
[21:07] that it's a Dutch person, so I'm assuming it's not a Dutch
[21:10] person. I can tell you something.
[21:12] X's brother was King of Holland in 1806.
[21:19] Can you say that as if I know the European ancestry of of all
[21:23] the monarchs? So no, I don't know who this
[21:27] person is, but I'm assuming X is not Dutch but happened to be
[21:32] doing whatever he did in Kingdom of Holland in 1811.
[21:36] Yeah. 1811, somebody who would have been involved with
[21:41] registries with first names and last names, that's very out of
[21:45] the left field. I have no clue whatsoever, no.
[21:48] OK, I I did tell you there was a clue that X's brother who was
[21:55] king of Holland, but you would know X more as a military man.
[22:00] Oh, OK. Oh wow, yeah, I was thinking
[22:02] some sort of bureaucrat, that's why I was a bit confused.
[22:04] But if you say that he himself was a military man and related
[22:07] to royalty, I'm assuming he was a general royal himself.
[22:12] So famous royalty of that time. It's either a British king and I
[22:17] can't for my life remember who was the king in 1811.
[22:21] I could probably tell you that. You know what?
[22:23] I'm not surprised. Yeah.
[22:24] Why? Why?
[22:24] Why? Bridgeton?
[22:27] That I did not expect I would have completely given you points
[22:30] for. Oh, I read that in some research
[22:33] I did many years ago. But.
[22:34] Bridgeton yeah, No, I read Julia Quinn's novels, the entire
[22:37] British in series, long before it was A Twinkle in Shonda
[22:41] Rhimes I because it is exceptional writing.
[22:44] Unlike the TV series itself, the books have some exceptional
[22:47] writing, and so it's set during the Regency period.
[22:51] That's more the Vineet I know. Yeah.
[22:54] Who has read Bridgeton more than he has watched Bridgeton?
[22:57] Once you read Bridgeton, you'd not be such a huge fan of the
[22:59] show, Frank. But that's neither here nor
[23:01] there. Let's get back to our question.
[23:04] Question. So I'm assuming it's not the
[23:07] English monarch of the time. Which leads me to 18.
[23:11] Early 1800s would probably have to be Napoleon.
[23:15] Yes, and you'd be right. So the program is called
[23:19] Bonaparte after Napoleon Bonaparte because when Napoleon
[23:25] obvious part of his how do I put this expansionist colonial
[23:31] enterprise. He had also been involved in
[23:34] taking over a lot of Holland as well.
[23:36] So when he came, Napoleon brought an entire new
[23:39] bureaucracy with him, and that established the first registry
[23:44] office, which was civil registrations of birth,
[23:46] marriages and death, and more specifically, as I mentioned in
[23:49] 1811, the format of identifying people by their first and last
[23:53] name. He actually put out a royal
[23:55] instruction in 1811 obliging those without a surname to
[24:00] choose one. And that's why surnames are more
[24:03] standard today. OK, interesting.
[24:06] There's also something really surprising in another factor
[24:10] that do you know what was actually mostly responsible for,
[24:15] at least in the Western speaking world, for people to start using
[24:20] a surname? I would imagine inheritance of
[24:24] some sort would probably. So apparently now this I I have
[24:27] read this in a couple of places but I don't have any
[24:30] authoritative resources. But it does make sense.
[24:32] So apparently the main cause for that was the Black Death.
[24:36] You know what? That's the answer usually.
[24:38] Like if you ask me, I should just get that was going to be my
[24:40] second guess. It has to be the Black Death.
[24:42] It has to be the bubonic plague. The reason why its the Black
[24:45] Death is what's really surprising.
[24:46] So let's take pre the plague, the Black Death of the bubonic
[24:50] plague which ravaged Europe. So pre the Black Plague, most
[24:55] people grew up, they were born, grew up, married, lived and died
[25:00] in the same village. So they never ever actually had
[25:04] to have an identification beyond a first name.
[25:09] They're Jack. They're Jack.
[25:10] If they're John, they're John. If they're Henry, they're Henry.
[25:14] If they're PR, they're PR. That's it.
[25:16] That's all that was required. But after the Black Plague
[25:18] decimated the population of Europe and England and a lot of
[25:22] those European countries, skilled labour and skilled
[25:27] workers became a little scarce. So people started actually
[25:31] because of demand, going outside their villages.
[25:36] So when they go to a new village, they may no longer be
[25:39] the Pierre or that everybody knows.
[25:41] So they would have to, they adopt or basically call
[25:44] themselves something by that name.
[25:45] So many times what happened was they would call themselves by
[25:48] their profession, hence the names Fletcher, Archer, Mason
[25:55] Schneider in German means Taylor.
[25:57] So all these names became identi points of identification because
[26:01] people started moving around between villages because of
[26:05] skilled work that they had to perform.
[26:09] Until then, if you are a John born in Breckenbridge, you'd be
[26:12] John of Breckenbridge for God knows how long.
[26:16] That makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
[26:18] So, Graham, so because of this particular registry, which was
[26:20] due to a royal decree by Bonaparte in 1811, the program
[26:25] that was used to identify victims is using DNA was also
[26:30] called Bonaparte. Very interesting trivia.
[26:33] I love that. And Napoleon.
[26:36] That man did a lot, Short king as he was, or actually wasn't,
[26:40] but. He was of average height, above
[26:42] average height actually. Above average height, yeah.
[26:45] The entire short, complex thing was something his enemies put
[26:49] out. Because the French inch is
[26:52] longer than the English inch, and hence measured in French
[26:56] inches, he would have come out to be sounding shorter when that
[27:00] number would be translated to English.
[27:02] And there's also an active smear campaign to make him seem less
[27:08] than who he was. And you know what they say, the
[27:10] Alike and Cross go around the world before the truth has
[27:14] enough time to put on its boots. Fair enough.
[27:19] It's ironic because the man himself spearheaded the whole
[27:23] standardization of units. The one thing that tore him
[27:26] apart, or, well, tore him down, as it were.
[27:29] Yeah. OK, great.
[27:31] Moving from somebody who was quite prominent.
[27:35] And there's a name that will probably be remembered for a
[27:38] while to come. Let's move to something which
[27:41] probably would not be your people who would not be
[27:43] remembered or are not usually remembered.
[27:45] And I'm going to give you a list of such.
[27:47] Oh I hate. You people and you are going to
[27:49] tell me what this list is about? Come on.
[27:50] I believe you. Look, I hate you.
[27:53] No. OK, so we're going to start with
[27:56] a couple of professions. The first one is a gambler, the
[28:00] second one is a policeman, third one innkeeper, and then Dr. We
[28:07] have merchant, we have a Weaver, a blacksmith, and a worker.
[28:13] A worker could be a farmer as well.
[28:15] So let me repeat that again. A gambler, a city guard,
[28:18] innkeeper, Dr., merchant, Weaver, blacksmith or farmer.
[28:23] What is this exhaustive list of? These were, if I'm not mistaken,
[28:30] a medieval attempt to make chess interesting.
[28:33] Come on. That is that is not cool.
[28:35] That is not no, no, no, stop talking now stop talking.
[28:37] Let's just stop talking. That is just that's unfair.
[28:40] I. Finally, finally get one of your
[28:42] lists on the first try. Henrietta LAX was fine because I
[28:45] knew you'll get that immediately with this.
[28:47] How did you crack this? Oh my God.
[28:50] A long time ago, a long time ago, I actually made a quiz
[28:54] where I had like connects, visual connects going through a
[28:58] master connect throughout the the quiz itself.
[29:01] So there were eight such clues, eight such slides, and each
[29:05] slide had multiple pictures in it which would point to one
[29:07] particular profession. So 1 you would have the
[29:10] merchant. I had a picture of The Merchant
[29:11] of Venice and things like that, And then for The Innkeeper I had
[29:15] the movie Innkeeper and a few things like that.
[29:18] Interesting. Interesting.
[29:19] So I had to put all of that together to get the master
[29:22] connected. Yeah.
[29:23] So I know this one. This one was, you know, quite
[29:26] easy. Yeah.
[29:29] All right, all right, fine, fine.
[29:31] Make short order of my questions so, so mercilessly is checkmate.
[29:40] I will take it, Sharma. I'll take it.
[29:42] Yeah, yeah. All right, Vineet, your
[29:44] question. OK, so we're moving on from
[29:48] soldiers who were given professions to a northern
[29:51] soldier about who you may or may not have heard.
[29:55] Donnie Dunnigan was born in San Antonio, TX, but his family soon
[30:01] moved to Memphis, TN where they struggled with poverty.
[30:05] He soon became the primary breadwinner of his family by the
[30:08] age of 8. By 13, Donegan was living in a
[30:12] boarding house and worked as a lathe operator.
[30:16] In 1952, at the age of 18, he enlisted in the Marine Corps.
[30:21] He became the youngest drill instructor in the history of the
[30:24] Marine Corps, served 3 tours in Vietnam where he was wounded
[30:29] several times, before finally retiring with the rank of major
[30:32] in 1977. For Donegan's service, he
[30:36] received a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts.
[30:40] However, Dunnigan kept a secret while serving in the Marines,
[30:44] which was eventually found out shortly before his retirement.
[30:48] This secret is his claim to fame.
[30:50] What did Donnie Dunnigan do that has impermanently etched in the
[30:55] history of art and culture? Oh interesting, this is a real
[31:00] person. I'm assuming this.
[31:01] Is a real person a very real person?
[31:03] Yes. OK.
[31:06] He did something that made him very famous, but he kept it a
[31:09] secret, so much so that they only came to know about it.
[31:12] His colleagues, people around him only near his retirement.
[31:16] And it's not like he was a low profile person.
[31:18] He was the youngest to drill instructor in the entire Marine
[31:21] Corps. That is impressive, and he still
[31:24] had something else more than that to claim to fame.
[31:29] A much bigger claim to fame. Very interesting.
[31:33] Being related to somebody famous would not probably be that
[31:36] important. So he himself has done something
[31:39] big. Oh, then I would assume some
[31:42] sort of an actor. So did he appear in some movie?
[31:45] In some famous movie? Acted in some famous movie.
[31:49] Oh, you're very close. OK.
[31:51] And this would have to be before he joined the Marine Corps,
[31:56] which means he would have been a child actor.
[31:58] And you mentioned this was he served in Vietnam.
[32:00] So we're talking like a child actor in the 50s, sixties,
[32:05] somewhere in that time, 60s, because he was very young when
[32:07] he went to Vietnam. Let me just put it out there
[32:10] again, one portion of the question that it was at the age
[32:14] of 18. He enlisted in the Marine Corps
[32:17] in 1952. Oh, OK, sorry.
[32:20] Alright. I don't know why I messed that
[32:22] up. OK, so he served in Vietnam
[32:23] later in his life. Got it.
[32:24] Yes, yes. 52 that means the 1934, so he was born somewhere
[32:31] in 19341935. Whatever child actor in the 30s
[32:38] forties gone with the windows before that, right?
[32:41] I don't think that describing Gone with the Wind.
[32:43] It's not gone with the wind. I'll give you one additional
[32:45] clue. You are very close with when you
[32:48] said movie and so I would point you towards an adaptation of
[32:53] Felix Sultans 1923 novel. An adaptation of a novel by an
[32:58] author I have not heard of, that does not help me at all.
[33:01] We need. Thank you so much.
[33:03] I aim to please. OK, Yeah, No, some other clue
[33:08] perhaps. I can't think of any movie in
[33:11] that period. Oh.
[33:12] Oh, was this? No, that's also much earlier.
[33:15] Right. I was going to say Charlie
[33:16] Chaplin and the kid. The movie.
[33:17] The Kid. Oh, very good guest, Very good
[33:19] guest. But no.
[33:21] That's also much earlier. Yeah.
[33:22] So, oh, I can't think of any child actor that I would know
[33:26] off the top of my head right now or any movie famous enough like
[33:29] that. It Was it Citizen Kane?
[33:32] The guy who played young Citizen Kane.
[33:35] No, it's not. It's not Citizen Kane was in the
[33:38] 50s, right? If I'm not mistake.
[33:40] Yeah, so the child is also like a young teenager, right?
[33:42] Like playing. But yeah, again, 50s would have
[33:44] been too late for him. Not a Citizen Kane.
[33:47] I was. I was so sure.
[33:49] I can't tell you that you remember AFI, the American Film
[33:53] Institute had presented its 10 top ten in each genre, so it
[33:58] gave them top 10 movies in each genre.
[34:01] This movie is third in one particular genre.
[34:05] Doesn't help me because I am not anywhere close to even
[34:07] identifying what genre it would be.
[34:09] I'll give you one more clue. This was nominated for three
[34:13] Academy Awards Best Sound, Best Song and Original Music Score,
[34:20] and it was announced in January 2020 that a remake is on its
[34:26] way. Oh, before you said the remake
[34:29] thing, I was going to say something like Sound of Music or
[34:31] something another you said remake.
[34:33] It makes me think of a Disney film.
[34:35] Disney has had done done this with the live action stuff.
[34:38] So much so I can't remember which exact film, but I remember
[34:40] there was some and in we're talking 1930s, nineteen 40s, it
[34:48] has to be. Oh, is it?
[34:51] Bambi. Yes, Donnie Dunnigan was the
[34:54] voice of young Bambi in Bambi. This macho, macho man, the
[35:00] soldier, youngest drill instructor in the history of the
[35:03] Marine Corps, who had did three tours in Vietnam, retired as a
[35:08] major with a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts.
[35:11] Obviously, he kept to the secret that he was the voice of young
[35:15] Bambi. Very cool.
[35:17] That is very interesting. He also did a few other roles.
[35:20] The one I found most interesting was also that he was known for
[35:23] portraying the young son of Baron Frankenstein and son of
[35:27] Frankenstein. OK, interesting.
[35:30] Yeah. Done a bunch of things.
[35:32] Impressive. By the way, this is just a
[35:34] follow up to the previous question.
[35:35] I guess I should have mentioned it then.
[35:37] But all the 8 professionals I mentioned, I mentioned them in
[35:40] the order that they are placed on the chess board.
[35:42] So these are the pawns and I started from the left which was
[35:45] the gambler and then came city guard which would be in front of
[35:49] the knight, left side knight and then the innkeeper in front of
[35:52] the left side Bishop, Dr. in front of the queen, merchant in
[35:54] front of the king. We were in front of the right
[35:56] side Bishop, blacksmith in front of the right side knight and
[35:58] worker or farmer in front of the right side Rook, which is all
[36:01] interesting in and of itself. What is the most interesting was
[36:03] gambler or the lowlifes which were the left most was also the
[36:08] direction that was literally sinister.
[36:11] Yeah, because sinistra is Latin for left.
[36:14] Exactly, if you know the etymology.
[36:16] As we need said, Sinistra is the Latin for left, so gamblers who
[36:19] are all the way in the left. I thought that was worth
[36:21] mentioning because I forgot to mention it earlier and I have to
[36:25] give it to you, Vineet. I would not have guessed that
[36:28] that the voice of Bambi was this interesting person who managed
[36:32] to achieve so much else in life. Very cool.
[36:35] This reminds me, do you know that the voice of Simba and
[36:39] again, James L Jones who played Mufasa.
[36:41] So relevant to two questions today.
[36:44] The voice of Simba, I believe his mother, that young child's
[36:48] mother managed to negotiate a payment, which was a percentage
[36:53] of profits. And at this point of time,
[36:55] Disney did not anticipate it being a big hit because it was
[36:59] competing with some other big Disney film.
[37:01] I believe Aladdin or something was coming out at the same time.
[37:03] So they thought Lion King would be one of those B films like
[37:06] Disney used to do like a major. Yeah, like a directive video,
[37:09] it'll have a lot of video sales. Exactly, so they managed to
[37:12] negotiate some sort of royalty based system for the little kid
[37:16] who played Simba. That guy has been rolling in
[37:20] money since then just because his mom was a very, very smart
[37:24] lady. I've read this somewhere.
[37:26] Worth verifying in case you're interested.
[37:28] But yeah, that was a random piece of trivia.
[37:31] OK, fun question. I have to move from somebody who
[37:36] has travelled the world and done very interesting things to
[37:40] people who are doing that today in the current day and age.
[37:44] And these are tourists. Hey, don't give me that look.
[37:48] My my segues are as good as yours.
[37:51] If you say so, let the audience decide.
[37:55] All right, all right, I shall not compete.
[37:57] The question is that there are tourists these days who are
[38:02] travelling to various cities and countries with the specific
[38:07] purpose of visiting locations of TV shows or movies that they
[38:11] have admired which was shot in those locations.
[38:14] This has been the case for many, many years, obviously in the
[38:17] past as well, but it has definitely taken off much more
[38:21] recently simply because obviously people are watching a
[38:24] lot more content and the use of a lot more locations, real
[38:28] locations other than just sound stages has made it interesting
[38:31] to go and explore these places. Shows like The Crown, All
[38:35] Creatures Great and Small, Ted Lasso, all of these have had
[38:38] fans visiting and all these locations and there is
[38:41] anticipation where Warner Brothers will choose to shoot
[38:43] the new TV adaptation of the Harry Potter novels.
[38:45] They're already casting for that.
[38:47] So people are excited about all of this, which brings me to the
[38:50] question, what is this particular trend given the name
[38:55] of? I I knew you'd ask that.
[38:57] I I'm fairly sure it's a pun of some sort and you're going to
[39:00] watch me flounder. Yes, it is.
[39:05] OK. So I'm guessing it'll be
[39:07] something something tourism. No, it's not.
[39:10] It's not. It's not oh OK, because usually
[39:12] you have like dark tourism and sex tourism and lots of other.
[39:15] Than medical tourism, yes but no it's.
[39:17] Not it's not OK. It's going to be something
[39:20] clever, isn't it? I hate you.
[39:24] What could they call it? TV.
[39:28] Something like Trainspotting, TV spotting or something like that.
[39:32] I love the way your brain works. It is just so random sometimes.
[39:37] Last time you guessed 12 Monkeys and you went with that.
[39:41] Today it went to Trainspotting TV Spotting.
[39:43] No, it's actually much simpler. It is a phrase that is very
[39:47] commonly associated, or rather it is derived from a phrase
[39:50] which is very commonly associated with travelling or
[39:54] going somewhere or packing your bags and leaving.
[39:57] So that's the phrase that I would recommend you think of and
[40:00] then just a little bit of a word play on that phrase will get you
[40:03] to the answer. OK, getting up and going.
[40:09] I have no clue right now. Just blank.
[40:13] I don't know, let me try to use it in a sentence without giving
[40:16] it away completely. A frequent flyer might be dash
[40:19] across the globe all the time. Globe trotting.
[40:24] No, no, no. Think of something which rhymes.
[40:26] So 3 letter word paired with another three letter word which
[40:31] rhymes. Oh God, jet setting.
[40:35] Yeah, and there's a pun on that. Find the pun beneath.
[40:38] You got this. Oh God I hate you.
[40:41] You and your puns. OK Jet.
[40:42] Setting the set setting No TV setting.
[40:48] Almost there, almost there, almost there.
[40:49] You got it almost there in the first try.
[40:52] Wait, I got set setting. Close enough.
[40:55] You know what, Vineet? I'll put you out of Emissary.
[40:56] Set jetting. Set jetting.
[40:58] That's right. You.
[40:59] Got that? Well done, well done.
[41:02] It is set jetting, yes, jet setting as it's known.
[41:06] A pun on that is set jetting and that is the phrase that is used
[41:10] to describe this tourism that is happening across the world,
[41:14] especially in UK and Europe where people are going to visit
[41:16] locations where famous TV shows and movies have been filmed.
[41:20] So they were going to visit the sets of these TV shows and
[41:24] movies. So it is sets, set jetting.
[41:27] That's where you get that phrase from.
[41:28] I thought this was a cool phrase.
[41:30] I need it obviously included in our trivia.
[41:33] So, Vineet, you have cracked your first pun question.
[41:36] I I must give it to you. Yay.
[41:39] You are quite the pundits now, all right.
[41:43] OK, moving from 1 pundit to maybe another pundit.
[41:52] All right. OK, so Supremo is a comic book
[41:56] character published in the 1980s.
[41:58] It was created by Pami Bakshi, editor of Movie Magazine, who
[42:03] developed the series for her magazine's publisher India Book
[42:06] House under their imprint Star Comics.
[42:09] In the comics, Supremo was an alter ego of X as described in a
[42:15] contemporary article in the India magazine.
[42:17] Supremo conceals his identity by wearing large glasses which
[42:21] resemble welding glasses, a skin tight costume with a wrap which
[42:25] resembles those borne by fishermen on India's western
[42:29] coast, and a chakra pendant. He loves peanuts.
[42:34] Music is his passion which is why he carries a Walkman.
[42:37] And Supremo has two helpers, boys named Vijay and Anthony.
[42:42] He also has a dolphin named Sonali and a Falcon scout,
[42:46] Shaheen. So my question is identify X and
[42:51] can you tell me who was the first writer of Supremo stories?
[42:55] What? I've never even heard of this
[42:57] character. OK, so Supremo is the name of
[43:01] the character and you're asking me who is so in?
[43:03] The comics supremo was the alter ego of X.
[43:07] Yeah, got it. So you're asking me who the
[43:09] whatever the other version of Supremo is?
[43:11] Yeah, so for example, Superman is the alter ego of Clark Kent,
[43:14] or rather the other way around, I think.
[43:17] Fair enough. And that actually was an example
[43:20] that was relevant. And like monkeys and human
[43:24] beings. That was very relevant.
[43:27] I stick by my example. It was entertaining, I'll give
[43:30] you that. OK, but you said Supremo wears
[43:34] large glasses. Yes, so Supremo conceals his
[43:40] identity by wearing large glasses which resemble building
[43:43] glasses. He wears a skin type costume
[43:46] with a wrap which resembles those owned by fishermen in on
[43:50] India's western coast and has a chakra pendant.
[43:54] He loves peanuts. Music is his passion, which is
[43:57] why he carries a Walkman and Suprema has two helpers, boys
[44:02] named Vijay and Anthony. He also has a dolphin named
[44:06] Sonali and a Falcon scout, Shaheen.
[44:09] You did stress on Vijay and Anthony, so I'm assuming that
[44:13] has something to do with the alter ego that I'm supposed to
[44:16] guess. I was going to try to get some
[44:18] fictional character but now I'm thinking Vijay and Anthony.
[44:21] Is it is it some character that Amitabh Bachchan has played,
[44:23] some Vijay he has played or is it Amitabh Bachchan himself or
[44:25] something like that? So you have cracked X Supremo
[44:29] was supposed to be the alter ego of Amitabh Bachchan.
[44:32] As if he didn't have enough going on in his life, they also
[44:35] made him a superhero in his spare time.
[44:38] So yes, the alter ego of supremo was Amitabh Bachchan which is
[44:42] very workoutable. But the next part of the
[44:45] question is who's the 1st writer of Supremo stories?
[44:49] Oh interesting, My first guess has to be something either Salim
[44:54] Khan or Javed Akhtar, simply because I watched as in the
[44:58] previous episode I mentioned Angry Young Men, the story of
[45:01] Salim Javed. So is it either of them?
[45:03] No, it's not. OK, somebody who was a writer,
[45:09] who still is a writer. Do we have a time frame of when
[45:13] these comics were published and and?
[45:16] 1980s. 1980s No. Yeah, I can't think of anybody
[45:22] who would make sense. Fair enough.
[45:24] There are there haven't been any clues in this.
[45:27] So I will give you a little brief on this person.
[45:31] So this person, the writer is known to be a lyricist, a poet,
[45:39] an author, screenwriter, film director and film producer.
[45:43] They have been awarded with the Sahiti Academy Award, the Padma
[45:49] Bhushan, a Dada Sahib Falke Award, a Nyan Pete Award which
[45:55] is India's highest literary award alongside a Grammy, and an
[45:59] Academy Award. An Academy Award?
[46:04] Yes. Wait, is this an honorary
[46:06] Academy Award? Is it No.
[46:08] No, no, not an honorary one. They actually won it.
[46:11] This person has won the Academy Award, is a lyricist, producer,
[46:15] director. What an Indian?
[46:16] So it is an Indian person then? My, my, they're just not an
[46:20] Indian person then. I think you should work it out.
[46:23] Flounder a little more before I give you any more clues.
[46:26] Yeah, come on, there's not really that big a clue.
[46:28] But wait, you said this person has also won the Padma Bhushan
[46:31] and that is only given to Indians?
[46:33] What some Indian who has won an Oscar is a is a lyricist, a
[46:37] writer, a director? Yes, and a Grammy as well.
[46:41] Don't forget the Grammy. And a Grammy.
[46:44] What did? Yes, and the Dada Sai Phalke
[46:46] Award and the Gyan Pete Award, which is the India's highest
[46:50] literary award. OK, what?
[46:55] How do I not know who this Indian man who is?
[46:57] Indian man? I'm assuming but.
[46:59] You definitely know that. I would have guessed Satyajit
[47:04] Ray or something, but Satyajit Ray only won an honorary Academy
[47:07] Award. He's also won six National Film
[47:11] Awards and 22 Film Fare awards. Sure, those those make sense.
[47:16] The it's the Academy Award that is stripping me up.
[47:18] Wow, Academy Award. When did this person win the
[47:23] Academy Award? I think that's the only way that
[47:24] I want to get this. The 2000 and 10s. 20 tens who
[47:28] won an Academy Award? Vineet, what are you saying?
[47:30] Who in 2010 won an Academy Award?
[47:33] 2000 Sorry, not the 20 tens 2000s.
[47:36] Oh Jesus Christ, you're going to give just like.
[47:38] Yeah, I'm sorry. That my bad, my bad.
[47:40] It was the 2000. Identity crisis.
[47:42] I was like, what happened in the decade that I was so blanked out
[47:45] 2000. And that means this has to be
[47:46] Slumdog Millionaire, which means who was the music?
[47:50] This can't be AR Rahman. It's not AR Rahman.
[47:53] I don't know. AR Rahman is never winning an
[47:55] Yan Pete award. Yeah, I was just going to say
[47:57] not a literary award. Literature award is not coming
[48:00] here Rahman's way. Oh Oh my God, is it Gulzar?
[48:05] Yes, it is Gulzar. Finally you got there.
[48:07] Oh. God, I've really forgot Gulzar
[48:10] on an Academy Award. That's it.
[48:11] Yeah, he also won a Grammy. And a Grammy?
[48:14] Yes, of course. Of course.
[48:15] Yeah. I mean, like that this has to be
[48:17] the most impressive kind of, you know, award list of any Indian,
[48:22] you know, media personality, I believe like nobody can.
[48:25] The breadth and depth of his awards are like just
[48:27] fascinating. So coming back to the question
[48:31] and I'll give you a little more history on this fascinating
[48:35] piece of history. So Supremo is an Indian comic
[48:38] book character in the series called The Adventures of Amitabh
[48:42] Bachchan, which was published in the 1980s.
[48:45] It was obviously based on the actor Amitabh Bachchan created
[48:49] by Pami Bhakshi. As I already mentioned in an
[48:51] interview, Pami Bhakshi stated that the name Supremo came from
[48:54] actor Ranbir Kapoor's tag for Suprasadh Bachchan.
[48:58] Ranbir Kapoor, apparently used to call Amitabh Bachchan Supremo
[49:02] Bakshi stated that she roped in director director Gulzar as a
[49:05] consultant and for the character design approach Pratap Malik,
[49:10] then an illustrator for Amar Chitra Katha.
[49:12] According to the same interview, the series was written mostly by
[49:16] Sutha Chopra and freelance writers.
[49:18] However, the initial comic books were written by Gulzar.
[49:22] In the comic, Suprema was an alter ego of Amitabh Bachchan.
[49:26] He also had a dolphin named Sonali and the Falcon scout
[49:29] Shaheen, inspired by the bird in Bachchan's film Cooley.
[49:34] OK. Amitabh Bachchan had a superhero
[49:37] who was supposed to be, I don't know, his alter ego.
[49:41] I'm not sure if that's insanely narcissistic or if this was a
[49:47] huge amount of sycophancy on the part of this magazine and
[49:51] production house. Listen, anybody who decides to
[49:55] pursue acting is already a vain, insecure megalomaniac, and I say
[50:02] this with all the humility of being one of them.
[50:07] You realize that was like, you know, that's a contradiction in
[50:09] itself. You can't say that with humility
[50:12] if you are a megalomaniac. And that's how you know you're
[50:17] talking to an actor. Just full of contradictions.
[50:20] OK, lovely. No, that is a pretty cool piece
[50:24] of trivia. You know what I was also going
[50:25] to guess before you mentioned the 80s, I was going to say
[50:27] Shashi Tharoor because you have spoken about Shashi Tharoor and
[50:30] the books you wrote which featured Amitabh Bachchan.
[50:33] But Shashi Tharoor, I don't think I was writing books in the
[50:35] 80s. Very cool though.
[50:37] That's a lovely piece of trivia. I enjoyed that very much.
[50:40] And I think that brings us to the end of this.
[50:42] Episode. That is the last question for
[50:44] today's episode, and I will now move on to the audience question
[50:47] which I had asked at the beginning of the episode, which
[50:49] was a connect list. What connects the following
[50:53] people, which it's not an exhaustive list.
[50:55] William Shakespeare, you know who he is?
[50:58] Walter Dimer, who was the inventor of bubble gum.
[51:01] George. Machine Gun Kelly, who was a
[51:03] gangster. King Kamehameha, the 5th King of
[51:06] Hawaii. Ingrid Bergman, who's a
[51:08] legendary actress. Milton Glazer who's the graphic
[51:12] designer who created the iconic I Love New York logo and who
[51:17] also Co founded New York magazine.
[51:19] So these are some of the most famous entries in a non
[51:21] exhaustive list. Can you tell me what connect
[51:25] these people? Because of these few names, it
[51:28] was machine gun, Killian, William Shakespeare Specifically
[51:30] I was thinking like artists have been inspired by the names and
[51:34] like use them as alter egos themselves or like whatever.
[51:37] No, Kamehameha then wouldn't fit that particular category, nor
[51:40] would Milton Glaser. True.
[51:43] I was thinking like a Machine Gun Kelly and will.
[51:44] I am. And very good idea, but no.
[51:48] Interesting. Any any hint?
[51:51] I came to this through somewhat an indirect fashion because I
[51:55] was reading about a specific effect and a statistical
[51:59] phenomenon, which is what led me to this list, and which is now
[52:05] your question that you're listening to.
[52:07] There's a Ingrid Bergman as well that you mentioned in this list.
[52:10] Yes. Is it by any chance?
[52:13] But again, Ingrid Bergman probably doesn't fit the bill.
[52:15] But is it by any chance? The things that are attributed
[52:18] to this person, the works for this person or whatever they
[52:20] have achieved or they've done, is so vast that people assume
[52:24] that it wasn't one person but a group of people.
[52:26] So I know there's that conspiracy theory about
[52:28] Shakespeare. So I will give the answer to
[52:30] this. So these are all people who died
[52:33] on their birthdays. Very interesting.
[52:37] No, that is interesting. I'll give you that.
[52:38] So. The reason I came to this
[52:40] particular question was because of something called the birthday
[52:43] effect, also called the birthday Blues.
[52:47] Have you heard about this? And no, I have not.
[52:50] OK, so it's called the birthday effect, and it's a statistical
[52:54] phenomenon where the chances of a person's death is higher or
[52:58] higher on or close to their birthday.
[53:01] This has been seen in studies conducted in England and Wales,
[53:05] Switzerland, Ukraine, and the US.
[53:07] It was even studied within Major League Baseball players.
[53:10] Some studies find that men and women both mortality rates are
[53:14] higher near their birthdays. Other studies do not find that
[53:17] gender effects high death rates around birthdays.
[53:19] However, some studies found that women were more likely to die
[53:23] right before a birthday and men were more likely to die right
[53:26] after. Some reasons for people dying
[53:29] near or on their birthdays are said to be related to alcohol,
[53:33] stress, or terminally ill patients trying to stay alive
[53:37] until their birthday. Another cause could be a yearly
[53:40] cycle similar to the circadian rhythm that causes the body to
[53:44] weaken. So there is such a thing as the
[53:47] birthday effect. Which also kind of buttresses my
[53:51] personal belief that you shouldn't be celebrating
[53:53] birthdays. Why would you want to celebrate
[53:55] getting one year closer to death?
[53:59] Makes no sense. What's up Manita?
[54:04] This is. Actually happened and this is a
[54:07] true story. I've actually forgotten my own
[54:09] birthday. This happened once where I
[54:12] completely forgot that it was my birthday and was reminded of it
[54:15] only when I came back from work and my mother called as usual.
[54:20] She had called me in the morning.
[54:21] I'd missed her call. I was working in government
[54:24] hospital at the time. I went to the hospital, was busy
[54:26] throughout the day, came back in the evening and my mom called
[54:28] again and she was like, why aren't you picking up my calls
[54:30] your birthday? And I was like, oh, right.
[54:34] So I'm one of those people I don't like my birthday.
[54:36] I don't. It's not because it's my
[54:38] birthday. I just don't like birthdays in
[54:39] general. This is gonna out as AS2 wing
[54:42] nerds because I forgot my birthday once and you were at
[54:45] work and I was this is back in school and it was so I didn't
[54:49] forget it for the whole day, but I forgot for a couple of hours
[54:51] because I was up late at night till like whatever 23 AM and I
[54:55] was doing math questions. Oh man, after my own heart.
[55:01] I just got my hands on the latest textbook that was
[55:04] whatever for that year and I was very excited to solve this book.
[55:08] So I just started and I couldn't stop.
[55:10] And I remember because it was a very low key affair.
[55:12] I was going to celebrate it the next day.
[55:13] Perhaps I had some plans the next day, but that particular
[55:16] night I completely forgot. And at 3:00 AM, my mum woke up
[55:18] or my dad woke up to go pee and they see that I'm up and they're
[55:21] like, oh, by the way, happy birthday.
[55:23] I'm like, Oh yeah, it's my birthday.
[55:24] It's been my birthday for the last few hours.
[55:26] Nice, nice. So yeah, we both are peas in a
[55:29] pod. Definitely interesting.
[55:31] Very interesting question, I'll give you that.
[55:33] Great. What is your pop culture
[55:35] recommendation for today? I discovered a podcast on
[55:39] YouTube which I must recommend to everybody.
[55:42] It's a lovely trivia podcast hosted by two Indian men.
[55:45] It's it's a really fun thing that anybody should check out.
[55:47] It's called Are You Quizzing Me? So go check that.
[55:50] Out. I think we've got like 1 episode
[55:52] out. I uploaded all the episodes
[55:54] beneath. All the episodes are out on
[55:56] YouTube now. OK, nice, nice, nice, very nice.
[55:59] Because I was hanging out with a friend and she saw that posted
[56:02] about the latest episode and she's like Oh my God, not again.
[56:05] And because she has YouTube Premium.
[56:07] Oh, and she had to go and like, OK, fine, now I'll search for it
[56:10] on Spotify and whatnot. Not like, oh, wait, wait a
[56:12] second, Do people go over it? And she's like, yeah, Android
[56:14] users like to use YouTube, especially if they have YouTube
[56:16] Premium. Like, what?
[56:18] Why are we missing out on this? So I went and uploaded all our
[56:20] episodes. Nice.
[56:21] Nice. First recommendation in case you
[56:24] or anybody else has been held back from listening to this
[56:26] podcast. Well, I guess you're listening
[56:28] to it already, but anybody else who's been held back recommended
[56:31] to them that are you using Me is now on YouTube.
[56:33] So go listen to it if you have YouTube Premium or you don't.
[56:36] Either way, go check it out on YouTube Podcasts and the actual
[56:39] recommendations coming to that. The first one would be this show
[56:43] called Fisk. Have you seen the show Fisk
[56:46] Vineet? That reminds me of Wilson Fisk,
[56:48] who's supposed to be the Kingpin in Spider Man.
[56:51] No, no, no, not that it's an Australian television comedy
[56:55] series. And it's just like, if you love
[56:58] the Australian accent, if you love the awkward humor, but not
[57:02] as awkward as Office because Office sometimes gets a little
[57:05] too awkward. If you love that kind of feel or
[57:08] vibe of workplace comedy and you love people speaking in all
[57:13] right, they might whatever. My best impression of Down Under
[57:17] accent is Fisk is ATV show that you absolutely must watch.
[57:20] It is hilarious. There aren't a lot of episodes.
[57:23] There are 12 episodes over two seasons.
[57:24] You can easily binge it very quickly.
[57:26] It's available on Netflix, so go check out check out Fisk.
[57:29] It was recommended to me by the same friend, by the way, who
[57:32] told me to put it up on YouTube. So 2 credits to this particular
[57:35] friend. Thank you, Akanksha.
[57:37] And the second actual recommendation is the movie
[57:41] Thumbar. And I had not seen this.
[57:44] This came out in 2018. It's back in theaters right now,
[57:46] at least in Mumbai. So check it out if it's in
[57:49] theaters in the city where you reside or if not, check it out
[57:53] online. It's a Hindi language horror
[57:55] film, but my God, a horror film unlike any I've seen, especially
[57:59] in Bollywood. So worth your time if you can
[58:02] digest horror. Must, must see.
[58:05] Must see. Definitely.
[58:06] I agree completely. So my recommendation actually is
[58:11] going to be a very recently released movie.
[58:16] It actually released just yesterday as of this recording.
[58:19] It is a Malayalam movie but which I think has been released
[58:23] in multiple languages. You can definitely go and try
[58:26] and watch it. It's called the Malayalam
[58:28] version of it's the name is Ajayande Randam Moshanam which
[58:33] literally translates to the second robbery conducted by
[58:36] Ajay. So Ajay second robbery would be
[58:38] the literal translation they have because it's in Malayalam.
[58:43] It's Ajayantaranda Moshnam ARM that they've shot into ARM.
[58:48] So you might see posters for a movie called ARM.
[58:51] It's a labor of love which is visible in every frame.
[58:55] It is one of the most unique movies I have seen that have
[58:58] come out from Malayalam cinema. It's a completely entrenched in
[59:02] the culture of Kerala. It's just a really, really great
[59:07] watch and I would recommend to watch it in theaters if
[59:10] possible. So Ajay and Aranda Moshanam,
[59:13] which you may see as ARM in a theatre near you.
[59:17] My second recommendation is a podcast which I've been
[59:19] listening to quite assiduously and which I think is I should
[59:22] have probably recommended before this, but it's called the rest
[59:26] is politics US. So everybody who's listened to
[59:30] this podcast knows that I'm a big fan of the a podcast called
[59:33] Empire, which is from a company called Gold Hanger.
[59:37] So the rest is politics is a politics podcast which is based
[59:41] from the UK and their US version is called The Rest is politics
[59:45] US and they're currently following the Trump Kamala
[59:49] Harris election. So the rest is politics US and
[59:54] agenda Anda Moshanam or ARM. These are my two recommendations
[59:57] for this week. So that's all for this episode.
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