# Episode 092 - Alien Head, Typeface & Out Of Mind

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 1 Dec 2024, 54 min.

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Do you know how the headline "Alien Heads Found In ____" inspired Matthew Carter in 1993? Do you know which typeface is one of the most commonly used across multiple Fortune 500 companies? Do you know what four word phrase from a poem by Ernest Dowson, and rhyming* with 'out of mind', has been immortalised in pop culture? Tune in to find out!! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/areyouquizzingme Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@areyouquizzingme/podcasts

## Transcript

[0:00] Welcome to Are You Quizzing Me. I am Vineet Nair with my Co host
[0:04] Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia
[0:07] podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into
[0:10] history, science, pop culture and so much more.
[0:14] Let's get quizzing and we're back for episode #92 of Are You
[0:22] Quizzing Me? Your favorite quizzing and
[0:24] trivia podcast show. Aditya and I are back for
[0:27] another round of quizzing and as usual, let's start off this
[0:31] episode with the audience question for today.
[0:35] This is a question that I ask at the beginning of the episode and
[0:38] the answer to which I reveal at the end of it.
[0:41] The audience question for today is quite simple and is right up
[0:44] Aditya's alley. It's a listicle.
[0:47] Connect the following countries, Vatican City, Andorra, Monaco,
[0:54] San Marino and Liechtenstein. Let me repeat, connect the
[0:58] following countries, Vatican City, Andorra, Monaco, San
[1:02] Marino, Liechtenstein. And this is an exhaustive list.
[1:07] So I want you to connect what's common with all of these, and I
[1:10] will answer this question at the end of today's episode.
[1:13] I'd now like to start off today's episode with a question
[1:16] from me, which I have been just dying to ask.
[1:20] Aditya X in international law is a territory, such as a border
[1:27] area or a state in or over which multiple sovereign powers
[1:31] formally agreed to exercise their rights jointly without
[1:35] dividing it into national zones. Although an X has always been
[1:40] recognized as a theoretical possibility, they have been rare
[1:44] in practice. A major problem, and the reason
[1:47] so few have existed, is the difficulty of ensuring
[1:51] cooperation between the sovereign powers.
[1:54] Once the understanding fails, the status is likely to become
[1:58] untenable. One example of this is Pheasant
[2:02] Island, where France and Spain share rights over every
[2:07] alternate 6 months. So six months over that area
[2:10] France has rights and over the next six months it is Spain.
[2:15] Most people, however, have heard of X as a type of dwelling
[2:21] ownership. I want you to identify X.
[2:25] So X has something to do with the International Treaty on
[2:29] Shared Territories. Yes, it's a shared territory.
[2:33] The word X is basically a part of international law depicting a
[2:37] territory over which multiple sovereign powers formally agree
[2:41] to exercise their rights jointly.
[2:43] So it's not like divided into from this part it's Spain and
[2:47] from this part it's France. So that entire area will be
[2:50] jointly ruled by France and Spain using some form of
[2:53] agreement. Oh, interesting.
[2:55] This is just an example, so Pheasant Island is the example I
[2:57] gave, but X is the term that's used for that kind of land where
[3:02] you have this kind of arrangement.
[3:04] The thing is, most people, like most ordinary people, would have
[3:08] heard of X as a type of dwelling ownership.
[3:14] Dwelling ownership. Squatting, squatting rights,
[3:18] something along those lines. Good.
[3:21] Yes, but no. Dwelling ownership, that's very
[3:26] interesting. So renter's agreement or is it
[3:29] something like that? It's a very specific word.
[3:32] It's a single word. That's my clue.
[3:35] OK, it's a one word thing. Specific word, I mean.
[3:40] I imagine it's going to be specific enough anyways.
[3:42] And my additional clue is this. Dwelling ownership is more
[3:47] common in the US. That type of dwelling ownership
[3:51] is very common around the world, but this particular word for it
[3:54] is more commonly used in the US and other Western countries.
[3:58] OK. Primary English speaking
[4:01] countries. Many of them use this particular
[4:03] word for it. Dwelling ownership is a very
[4:07] interesting phrasing because. Yeah, to I had to think about
[4:10] how to phrase that. I can only think of something
[4:14] like landlord. OK, so this word itself is quite
[4:18] long, but again, most people would not refer to it by its
[4:23] full name. They would refer to it by A5
[4:25] letter contraction or shortening of it.
[4:29] Five letter contraction builder build.
[4:34] No. Lease Lease is 5 letters.
[4:38] But no. Tenant if you choose to not
[4:41] pronounce the last TI, yes. Now now as I mentioned, this is
[4:47] a type of ownership. Condominium.
[4:51] Condo. Exactly.
[4:53] Yes, it's condominium. That's the name for a territory
[4:58] that is jointly ruled yes. Wow.
[5:02] So a condominium in international law is a territory
[5:05] over which more than one country has rights.
[5:08] And they agree instead of dividing it, they agree to OK,
[5:11] let's keep it hold and let's both have rights over it.
[5:14] Condominium Dominion is it? Is that how it comes?
[5:17] Yeah, it's same route. Together.
[5:19] The Dominion. Yeah, that makes sense.
[5:22] Think. It from there, that's the route.
[5:24] But condominium is the term also for a type of dwelling ownership
[5:28] where you outright own the flat. If you are reaching out the
[5:31] flat, you'd say you're in an apartment and if you own the
[5:35] flat, then it's a condo. So what happens is many times
[5:39] the real estate company will be like, OK, we want to go condo,
[5:42] which means that instead of just leasing it out, they want to
[5:44] send it out right to individual owners.
[5:46] Oh, that's kind of cool. Condo is something I only
[5:49] encountered the word at least encountered only when I moved to
[5:52] Singapore. And I guess that's the
[5:53] distinction because condos are owned by perhaps each flat is
[5:57] owned by individuals, whereas HDP, which is the housing given
[6:00] by the government that's leased out for 99 years.
[6:04] That's interesting. OK, I did not know that the
[6:07] condominium word actually has a connotation of ownership and not
[6:11] just another word for apartment. OK, yeah, fun.
[6:15] Honestly, even I thought it was different type of apartment.
[6:17] Maybe if you make one of those flashy Miami kind of apartments
[6:20] that you see on TV all the time either, oh, maybe that's a condo
[6:23] and like a friend style flat is like an apartment.
[6:26] I don't know. For some reason, I always
[6:27] thought it was something like that, that when somebody is
[6:30] going condo, it means like, oh, they're going to go flashy,
[6:32] they're going to upgrade the place and make it more
[6:33] expensive. Very interesting.
[6:35] I don't know this cool. So take the baton, Aditya.
[6:40] I like how this baton thing has become a regular segue now.
[6:45] Yeah, so now that's something I have to give credit.
[6:48] I have been using that on the podcast, but I've used it in my
[6:52] real life also. And I have to give credit to the
[6:56] show Psych, because there's a very iconic scene in that when
[7:01] they're revealing how the crime was committed, Burton Caster
[7:05] picks it up and James Rodeo's character, just Sean Spencer,
[7:08] just goes, yes, take the baton. And I was like, oh, that's just
[7:12] amazing. OK, I I like it.
[7:17] All right, So Matthew Carter, have you heard of this
[7:20] individual Vineet? I've heard of John Carter.
[7:23] He went to Mars. And have you heard of a Matthew?
[7:27] I don't know, O'Reilly. Oh yes, Matthew Riley.
[7:31] Yes, I have heard of Matthew Riley.
[7:34] Well, neither of those people are relevant here, OK?
[7:38] Matthew Carter was described in a New Yorker profile in 2005 as
[7:44] quote, the most widely read man in the world.
[7:48] OK. OK, his.
[7:50] Greatest contribution to the World I guess happened, or
[7:54] rather was named almost as an in joke or as a reference to a
[7:59] certain tabloid headline. The headline covered the news
[8:04] that in a certain state in the United States, alien heads were
[8:09] found and alien, of course, being alien in an
[8:13] extraterrestrial sense. So alien heads were found in a
[8:16] certain state of the United States of America.
[8:19] When Matthew Carter encountered this headline, he liked it.
[8:23] He was impressed by it. He wanted to pay homage to it.
[8:26] So later in his greatest contribution to the world, which
[8:30] is what makes him the most widely read man in the world, he
[8:33] decided to use that headline to name his contribution.
[8:38] Admittedly a very vague question so far.
[8:41] I expect you to crack it very quickly once I give you even the
[8:45] slightest of hints, so I'll let you kind of figure it out
[8:50] initially before I. Do in my juices for now, yes?
[8:53] No Sir, I have to clarify one thing.
[8:55] So when you say the most widely read man in the world, are you
[8:59] implying that he has read more than anybody else, or that his
[9:03] work is the most widely read in the world?
[9:06] The most widely read man, I see how you can define that as
[9:10] somebody who has read a lot. But no, it's neither of those
[9:13] very precisely, but closer to the second definition.
[9:17] Oh, OK, The most widely read man in the world.
[9:21] This question has gone into a completely different direction,
[9:23] I thought when you started off with the most widely read man in
[9:25] the world. So there are a couple of
[9:27] individuals who've read the entire Encyclopedia Britannica.
[9:30] I thought it must be something related to that.
[9:32] No. But obviously no alien heads in
[9:36] a state. And then he was inspired by
[9:39] that, and he wrote something and that is very, very widely read.
[9:46] What is it that's so widely read that The New Yorker would call
[9:51] him as the most widely read man? OK, so as a hint, I'm not going
[9:58] to talk about the question as much as we're going to talk
[10:00] about you. And the reason I thought this
[10:02] question might appeal to you is because Doc Vector, as Vineet is
[10:06] known in certain circles, also loves the world of design and
[10:11] typography and all of those very fancy cool things.
[10:16] So he has a little bit of sight trivia that whenever you see a
[10:19] very well designed cover art for any of our episodes, that's
[10:22] usually Vineet's work. And he has a very nice font that
[10:25] he chooses. And for some reason I've never
[10:27] been able to get my hands on this font.
[10:29] So if you ever see a definitely a badly designed cover art in
[10:34] terms of font, that is usually my work and the rest of it is
[10:36] mini. So you can you know who has made
[10:40] cover art just by going by the font.
[10:42] But in any case, coming back to the question, this piece of
[10:45] trivia would appeal to you and the designer in you.
[10:48] Let me give you that as a first hint.
[10:50] Wow. OK, Matthew Carter.
[10:55] Alien heads. Oh wait, did he create a font?
[10:59] Ah, very nice. Yes, he did create a font.
[11:02] So he created a typeface. I think the correct term is
[11:05] typeface, not a font. So if he created a particular
[11:08] typeface that is the most widely read, it's too late for Times
[11:12] New Roman. That was for the New York Times.
[11:14] No, no, the Times, not the New York Times.
[11:15] It was for the Times newspaper. And that was somewhere in the
[11:18] 1900s, early 1900s, because we had that as a question right
[11:21] once. I believe we have covered that
[11:24] as a question, yes. It's not the same thing.
[11:26] I don't think it's the same thing because Aliens, that is
[11:28] post 1947, post Roswell is when that became a thing.
[11:34] The other font that I can think of, which has had like a huge
[11:38] impact that everybody sees everywhere as Helvetica.
[11:41] But that's Swiss, right? Helvetica was Swiss.
[11:44] Yes, yes, you are right. I would redirect you to thinking
[11:47] about what I described the headline as because I did not
[11:50] give you the exact headline. OK about heads in a state.
[11:55] In a certain state in the United States of America.
[11:58] Oh God, there will be something clever.
[12:01] I hate it when you do that. It's actually very
[12:03] straightforward. It's not anything layered or
[12:06] clever as such. It's very straightforward.
[12:08] A specific state in the United States of America, and he
[12:12] decided to name it after that. Tacoma.
[12:17] I can't believe you're forgetting the most obvious
[12:19] typeface font that's named after a state in the US.
[12:24] OK, now this is really. Oh God.
[12:27] OK, but props to you for cracking the most of the
[12:29] question. Matthew Carter is the most
[12:31] widely read man in the world. No props.
[12:33] For The New Yorker profile described him as the most widely
[12:35] read man in the world by considering the amount of text
[12:38] set in his commonly used typefaces right.
[12:41] So apart from the. Oh, Calibri.
[12:44] Calibri Which? Which American state is called
[12:47] Calibri? California.
[12:49] I mean like California Calibri. I don't know.
[12:51] It's not even a play on the words.
[12:53] It's not. It's not a derivation from the.
[12:56] It's literally the name of the state.
[12:58] Oh shit, this is this is what is the name of the state?
[13:01] What are the 50 states Now? I I feel like Ross in that
[13:04] episode where he's trying to list all 50 states in his head.
[13:08] Oh God. New York, New Jersey, Maine,
[13:12] North Dakota, South Dakota, North Carolina and South
[13:15] Carolina, Texas, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico.
[13:22] I'm going to start listing all states.
[13:23] Does it help if I tell you it's a serif typeface?
[13:29] Like half the typefaces are serif typeface, that's fair.
[13:32] It's inspired by Scotch Roman designs of the 19th century.
[13:36] Oh God. I don't know if it helps because
[13:39] as somebody who's not really into design, this would be Greek
[13:43] to me, or I guess Roman to me if.
[13:44] Anybody who's in my ambigram Facebook groups are listening.
[13:47] They're probably screaming at me right now.
[13:49] Oh God, I'm completely blanking on the state of Rhode Island.
[13:55] No, Wisconsin, Montana. Which state?
[14:01] God, I can't remember the font which is the name of the state.
[14:04] OK, you know what, I'm going to give you another hint.
[14:07] This typeface is very similar to Times New Roman actually, and
[14:11] the New York Times changed its standard font from Times New
[14:14] Roman to this font in 2007. Yeah.
[14:19] OK, I'll give you one last sent. OK, the sister sans serif font
[14:23] of this font is Verdana. Vermont.
[14:27] No, no, no. Verdana is also, by the way,
[14:30] designed by Matthew Carter. Yeah, Verdana.
[14:32] Yeah, I know Verdana. We use Verdana.
[14:35] He has also designed the Windows interface typeface Tahoma, so
[14:39] literally one of the most popular typefaces.
[14:42] And the third one is should I give you a starting letter?
[14:45] Will that get you there? I don't think so.
[14:48] It's. Only one state in the US with
[14:49] that starting letter also the name of a country.
[14:53] Georgia. Oh, it's Georgia.
[14:55] It's Georgia. I completely forgot about
[14:57] Georgia. Yes, that was Georgia.
[15:03] Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard about, you know,
[15:05] something happening in Georgia? It's one of the most boring
[15:07] states in the US OK, I did not say that it's not boring.
[15:11] I don't know if it's boring. I've never been there, so.
[15:14] But yeah. Well, I guess the last
[15:16] interesting thing that did happen was alien heads were
[15:18] found in Georgia and that was a tabloid headline.
[15:21] When this is just a tabloid headline.
[15:23] And Matthew Carter, just like the headline, I wanted to pay
[15:26] homage to it, so he decided to name it Georgia, the typeface
[15:30] that he designed. And I guess it made more sense
[15:33] than naming it Alien heads, because that would have been a
[15:35] ridiculous name. Actually it would be a really
[15:37] cool name for a typeface. Alien Heads.
[15:40] When you said alien heads, for a second my mind went to
[15:42] Wingdings. You know that part, Wingdings,
[15:44] where you have all the different shapes?
[15:46] Georgia. That's a nice one, which I
[15:48] should have got. I shall bear the mark of shame
[15:52] for that question for a few episodes.
[15:55] I did not know of this process called hinting.
[15:57] Can you actually tell me about hinting font hinting?
[16:00] Because I was reading about this and it was designed by Matthew
[16:02] Carter, but it was hinted by Thomas Rickner.
[16:05] And from what I understand of a cursory reading of Wikipedia,
[16:09] hinting or font hinting is the use of mathematical instructions
[16:12] to adjust the display of an outline font so that it lines up
[16:16] with the rasterized grid. I have no idea what that means.
[16:18] Yeah. So basically when you're making
[16:20] any kind of typeface, most of the time what happens is you
[16:23] draw it out first right on piece of paper.
[16:26] So you draw it out and then you have a piece of paper, then you
[16:29] vectorize it, and then you create the fonts and whatnot.
[16:31] The problem is not all displays will display that correctly
[16:35] because they don't. Displays don't display some
[16:38] things in vectors. They displayed in pixels and
[16:40] pixels are discrete, so you never get like a very smooth
[16:44] line. Right.
[16:45] So you have to kind of adjust it so that even though technically,
[16:50] according to that line, maybe this pixel has to be black and
[16:53] end up on the end of it, you might have to remove it so that
[16:56] when you're seeing it on a pixel display, it actually looks like
[16:59] what it's supposed to look like. Right, right.
[17:01] Oh, that. Never even thought about that.
[17:03] Very interesting. So cool.
[17:05] And there's another thing that's quite important, which it's one
[17:08] of the things that I always look at to identify if it's a well
[17:11] made typeface or if it's not, is to look at the kerning.
[17:15] So a kerning is basically the space between the letters when
[17:19] you type it out as a word. Now that's it's straightforward,
[17:23] right? But The thing is, that's very
[17:27] straightforward. If all your letters are
[17:29] verticals or you know, right angles, then it's easy.
[17:32] But what happens when you have round letters?
[17:36] Got it. Like how much distance do you
[17:38] portray? Exactly.
[17:39] So how much distance you put? So you might have to actually
[17:42] decrease the distance between round letters if round letters
[17:45] curve away towards the bottom or towards the top.
[17:48] So that creates the illusion of more space.
[17:50] Right. Very interesting, never even
[17:53] thought about these nuances. Yeah, once you know about it,
[17:57] you see mistakes of kerning everywhere.
[18:00] One of my pet peeves quite improving nowadays, but over the
[18:04] past 10 years, if you look at a lot of Indian movies, the
[18:08] typography of Indian movies sometimes is just horrible.
[18:11] Like the movie may be great, but they would have spent zero time
[18:15] on the typography of the the opening credits or whatever.
[18:18] That's it's just a pet pet peeve of mine.
[18:21] Since you mentioned movies and you mentioned typeface, I have
[18:25] to plug in the amazing Saturday Night Live sketch.
[18:29] Where Ryan Gosling is ranting about how Avatar, one of the
[18:33] most expensive films, are highly lauded when it came out and
[18:37] celebrated, very rightly so, for its breakthroughs in film making
[18:41] and whatnot, used for its font Papyrus.
[18:44] OK. So they made one many years ago,
[18:49] and recently in 2024, they released the second part to
[18:52] that. And it's hilarious, the number
[18:55] of jokes. And I guess for somebody like me
[18:57] who barely knows enough about typefaces and design, even I got
[19:00] some of those in jokes. But for you, probably there will
[19:03] be a lot more rewarding. So it's just really funny.
[19:04] So the first sketch came out in 2017 in Saturday Night Life, and
[19:07] in 2024, Ryan Gosling did the second part of the sketch and he
[19:11] commits to it. He commits to it like nobody's
[19:13] business. It is so cute.
[19:15] Ryan Gosling is underused as a comedian.
[19:20] Oh yes, such phenomenal comic timing.
[19:22] Really, really funny. Yeah, just as an example of
[19:25] that, go watch Papyrus from SNL back in 2017 and Papyrus 2 that
[19:29] released earlier the same 2024. Both of these, making fun of the
[19:32] fact that Avatar are the most expensive movies ever made, used
[19:36] Papyrus as its font. OK.
[19:40] I wouldn't blame James Cameron for thinking of papyrus when you
[19:45] also consider the fact I'll tell you a number of logos, right?
[19:48] Just imagine them in your head. The logo for Three M Motorola,
[19:52] Nestle, Toyota Kawasaki, Caterpillar, Harley-Davidson,
[19:58] Bla Punkt, Olympus, North Face, Skype, American Airlines Oral
[20:04] BGM Jeep Lufthansa, Mattel, Microsoft Energizer, JC Penney,
[20:12] BMW Bell Atlantic Scotch. Post it.
[20:16] Panasonic, and this is not even an exhaustive list.
[20:19] All of these use the same font. Oh, no way.
[20:23] You're kidding me. No, no, I'm not.
[20:25] I'm not even kidding. All of these use Helvetica.
[20:28] Wow all. These use different versions of
[20:30] Helvetica. OK, Wow.
[20:33] Very interesting. Yeah.
[20:34] Toyota and BMW literally have used the same.
[20:37] Font, that's very surprising. OK, that that was one of the
[20:43] longest segues we have ever had. And hopefully that has eclipsed
[20:47] my shame. But let's move on from typefaces
[20:51] to something that we use typefaces for.
[20:55] So Ernest Dawson lived in London, worked at his parents
[21:01] dry docking business and was a member of the Rhymers Club with
[21:05] Yeats and Simmons. WB Yeats, famous poet.
[21:09] Both of Dawson's parents committed suicide and Dawson,
[21:12] who already had a foot fixed home, also died at the age of
[21:17] 32. Now he was a poet and his poems
[21:21] trace the sorrow of unrequited love.
[21:25] And his poems are the source of two phrases, one very famous and
[21:30] the other is somewhat famous. So the somewhat famous phrases,
[21:33] the days of wine and roses, I don't know if you've heard of
[21:36] that particular phrase, but days of wine and roses, the other
[21:40] phrase, which is a four letter phrase, let's call it X for now.
[21:45] This phrase came from the third stanza of his poem non some
[21:51] qualis era bene sub reagno sin re, which is Latin and the
[21:57] pronunciation of which I have butchered name of the poem is
[22:01] not important. I will read you the stanza, the
[22:03] six lines from that particular stanza, and see if you can tell
[22:08] me the phrase that I'm talking about.
[22:13] OK. I have forgot much, Sainara
[22:16] followed by the phrase flung roses, roses righteously with
[22:20] the throng dancing to put thy pale lost lilies out of mind.
[22:26] But I was desolate and sick of an old passion.
[22:30] Yeah, all the time, because the dance was long.
[22:33] I've been faithful to thee, Sainara, in my fashion.
[22:38] Which phrase are we talking about?
[22:42] What I That was the entire thing.
[22:46] So the phrase is from the first line, which goes I have forgot
[22:50] much sainara. Blank, blank, blank, blank.
[22:54] Flung roses, roses righteously with the throng dancing to put
[22:57] Taipei lost lilies out of mind. But I was desolate and sick of
[23:02] an old passion. Yeah, all the time because the
[23:05] dance was long. I have been faithful to these
[23:07] Sainara in my fashion. OK, so blank blank, blank blank
[23:14] 4 blanks is what you said. So the phrase is 4 words long.
[23:17] Yes. What's the relevance of this
[23:20] phrase again? It's very, very famous.
[23:23] Practically everybody in the Western world probably has heard
[23:26] this phrase at one point or the other.
[23:29] Like it's a proverb or something that's used very commonly.
[23:32] Yeah, people kind of use it like a metaphor or something
[23:35] nowadays, but it became famous first as the title of a novel
[23:40] and then later a movie. That's a very big clue.
[23:44] A novel and then a movie. Yeah.
[23:47] And I don't think I can give any more clues because that's
[23:49] practically it. Grapes of Wrath, but that's
[23:54] three words. Actually the it's The Grapes of
[23:58] Wrath, right? So it would be 4 words but.
[24:00] But I'm guessing it's not the case here.
[24:03] Oh, what is that Stanley Kubrick film?
[24:06] And that's also based on novel adapted into a film.
[24:10] For Whom the Bell Tolls, but I don't know if that was Kubrick.
[24:15] No, For Whom the Bell Tolls is Ernest Hemingway's book, which I
[24:18] don't think was Oh no, I was thinking of Parts of Glory.
[24:23] Yeah, my Parts of Glory is again 3 words book adapted in the
[24:26] movie. Very popular, everybody's heard
[24:28] of it. Also used as a phrase sometimes.
[24:34] Gone to the wind. That fits the bill, yes.
[24:38] It is gone with the wind. I was reading the poem out to
[24:40] you so that you would probably understand the meter because it
[24:43] says passion fashion. So it's an alternating meter,
[24:46] which means that the last word would have to rhyme with lost
[24:50] lilies out of mind. But that doesn't help because
[24:53] it's not wind gone to the wind is not.
[24:55] It's wind, yeah, but I can't call it mint, you know, Lost
[24:59] little lilies out of mint. I couldn't say that.
[25:02] That would have helped me a little bit if you to say that.
[25:04] Yeah, so Margaret Mitchell's Seminole novel Gone with the
[25:07] Wind, which then became huge movie with Vivien Leigh and Cary
[25:10] Grant. Gone with the Wind, multiple
[25:12] Oscar award winner. I have a follow up question.
[25:15] OK. Ernest Dawson is also
[25:17] responsible for the earliest written phonetic mention of
[25:22] which English word? I don't even know what that
[25:25] means. What does a phonetic mention
[25:27] mean? So basically writing the word
[25:29] down like it's supposed to be pronounced.
[25:32] Oh, OK. And this is according to the
[25:37] Oxford English Dictionary. Oh, interesting.
[25:40] Does it have something to do with the movie business?
[25:43] Something to do with Gone to the Wind?
[25:45] No, no, no. Nothing to do with that.
[25:46] Nothing to do with that. OK, I need some clue then I
[25:49] guess. Yeah, Ernest Dawson, as I
[25:51] mentioned, was English. But today nobody English uses
[25:56] this word. It's usually the Americans who
[25:58] use this version of the word. Well, that's a very long list.
[26:02] Chips and crisps and pavements and sidewalk and.
[26:05] Yeah, no. But The thing is, when you're
[26:07] talking about a crisp, the British still use the word crisp
[26:10] in some fashion or the other. Yeah, you're very close.
[26:14] I'll give you one more clue. It's sport related.
[26:17] Oh, football. Soccer.
[26:19] Yes, so Ernest Dawson was applied the earliest written
[26:22] mention of the word soccer. So like association football,
[26:25] that's where the etymology of that comes from, was how you
[26:29] associate soccer, society soccer.
[26:32] So yeah, so according to the Oxford Dictionary, he wrote a
[26:35] letter on 21st February 1889 in response to an invitation to
[26:40] watch the varsity football match saying I absolutely decline to
[26:45] see soccer SOCCA apostrophe matches, but will maternize with
[26:51] you with a you list, which literally means there is no way
[26:55] I'll go to the football, but we'll meet you on Saturday
[26:58] morning somewhere else. This indicated that the word was
[27:01] in verbal use at the time, but not normally written down.
[27:06] OK, that's kind of cool. OK, I love this cross cultural.
[27:14] I'm trying to find a. Segue.
[27:15] Struggling with the segue. No, I'm going to get there.
[27:17] I'm going to give you one more shot, one more shot, one more
[27:20] shot. I love how countries use
[27:23] different cultural What is the word?
[27:27] The word is going to be killing me.
[27:28] OK, whatever. Basically appropriation.
[27:31] You know what? The appropriation is not the
[27:32] worst word. I don't know.
[27:33] I feel like I'm going to get cancelled anyways.
[27:35] So how countries just adapt things from each other and then
[27:39] bring it into their own culture? Yeah, let's use that.
[27:42] And that brings me to my next question.
[27:44] But there's something OK that I literally just have to say this,
[27:47] I'm very sorry, but there is this thing.
[27:49] I'm I heard it somewhere apparently pre the 1900s like in
[27:54] the mid 1800s and all Americans and the British or the English
[27:58] sounded roughly the same. OK, yeah, I'm there for this.
[28:04] Yeah, the current English accent that we came is actually
[28:08] something called as received pronunciation which was made for
[28:12] I think the BBC so that it would be properly heard and understood
[28:16] and what not. So that's the pronunciation that
[28:18] we the posh accent, that crisp language which is so addictive.
[28:23] So that pronunciation is actually because of the BBC, and
[28:27] prior to that all Americans and most Americans, at least the
[28:30] Midwestern accent and the English accent was practically
[28:33] the same. Yeah, so I actually learnt about
[28:36] RP, Received Pronunciation very recently, in an acting context
[28:40] actually. So yeah, we were talking about
[28:42] accents, and I had never heard of RP.
[28:44] Somebody in the class asked the teacher about the English
[28:48] accent, and the teacher was like, what English accent are
[28:50] you talking about? There are hundreds of them
[28:52] across the country. And then she pointed out that
[28:54] maybe most of us refer to the RP as the English accent because
[28:59] that is the one that is most commonly popularized by English
[29:02] media. P is what we think of as English
[29:05] accent and is not necessarily the OG or the original accent.
[29:09] Back in the day, that would have been probably closer to what the
[29:11] American accent is today, which is very interesting.
[29:14] Yes, lovely. So these these cultures that
[29:17] travel across countries. And that brings me to my
[29:19] question in the World Indoor championships in 2018, Muriel
[29:26] Ahore. I might be mispronouncing this
[29:29] athlete's name, but let's spell it out.
[29:31] MURIELLEAHOURE, She's an African athlete.
[29:36] Muriel Ahore won a gold in the women's 60 meter.
[29:42] So since we were talking about culture being transferred
[29:45] between countries, this question has in a roundabout way,
[29:48] something to do with that. We are going back to 2018 and in
[29:53] 2018 there were the World Indoor Championships.
[29:57] Muriel Ahore and I might be mispronouncing the name, so I'm
[30:00] just going to spell it out. MURIE Double LEAHOURE Muriel
[30:05] Ahore is an African athlete and she won a gold in the women's 60
[30:10] meters. However, later when she was
[30:13] trying to celebrate, like immediately post the win, as
[30:15] athletes do, they celebrate their gold.
[30:18] In her celebration, she had to resort to some sort of makeshift
[30:24] celebration. Let's say she had to improvise
[30:28] because something was not available at hand.
[30:31] And going back to the segue, actually there was a little bit
[30:35] of a cultural crossover with another country.
[30:38] What was missing in Muriel Hours celebration that she had to
[30:44] improvise upon? OK, so I'm going to guess that
[30:47] her country's flag wasn't there and she used some other
[30:51] country's flag because there was similar and she kind of turned
[30:54] it around or did something. Hot damn Vineeth.
[30:57] Hot damn. That's making up for the
[30:59] previous question. In.
[31:01] Leaps and bounds. Because that was such a quick
[31:03] crack, I tried to make it very vague.
[31:05] So yeah, very, very impressive. But do you want to take a guess
[31:08] as to which country? So I mentioned she's an African
[31:10] athlete and she used a European flag to improvise.
[31:14] Oh, OK, African athlete, European flag.
[31:20] Wow. Nothing comes to mind
[31:22] immediately. But then I'm not Sheldon Cooper,
[31:26] so I think that can be excused. Not the most proficient with
[31:30] vexillology. Vexillology, vexillology.
[31:33] Vexillology. I can't even pronounce it right.
[31:36] OK, I'm thinking of maybe Belgium.
[31:39] OK, you know what, I'll give you one of the countries and I'll
[31:42] let you guess the second one. Tell me which one do you want?
[31:44] Do you want the African country? You want to tell me the European
[31:46] country, or do you want the European country and you tell?
[31:48] Me that I have to know the flags of either.
[31:50] I don't know either. It doesn't make any difference
[31:52] to me. Give me the African one.
[31:53] Let me see if I can get from that.
[31:55] Oh, I thought you'd go with the European, but I'll give the
[31:57] African one. It's Ivory Coast.
[32:00] Then I would say France. No, Ivory Coast is actually.
[32:04] The colours are much closer to India.
[32:06] Oh, then Ireland. Hey, that's the one.
[32:08] Yes, actually I should have just given you India as a hint.
[32:10] Yes, it is the orange, white and green.
[32:13] In this case they are vertical instead of the Indian flag being
[32:16] horizontal. And for Ivory Coast and Ireland,
[32:19] they just happened to be mirror images of each other.
[32:22] So when, Oh nice, this athlete could not find a flag of Ivory
[32:27] Coast nearby when she wanted to take her victory lap right after
[32:30] the win, she decided to just borrow an Irish flag from an
[32:33] Irish athlete and use that for her celebration, which I think
[32:37] is a lovely little moment. Lovely, lovely.
[32:40] But I think the pronunciation is Muriel.
[32:43] I think it's, you know, Muriel, Muriel.
[32:45] You know, like Chandler Bing's middle name.
[32:48] But just again, clarification, what sport was this?
[32:51] So she is a sprinter? She's an Ivorian.
[32:54] Ivorian I guess. Ivorian sprinter who competes in
[32:57] 60 meters, 100 meters and 200 meters.
[32:59] This particular victory was for 60 meters.
[33:01] OK, I wasn't aware there was a 60 meter Sprint.
[33:04] Wow. OK, Yeah.
[33:05] It's actually part of the World Indoor Championships in
[33:08] Athletics, which is organized by the I double AFI think it is
[33:15] held every two years, yeah. OK, nice.
[33:19] Nice. Moving on from indoor sports to
[33:24] something that you would probably use for some indoor
[33:27] recreation or maybe outdoor recreation.
[33:32] So while there are many celebrity tequila brands, from
[33:37] public figures like George Clooney, his brand is called
[33:41] Casamigos, to Kendall Jenner who has a very weirdly named 818
[33:46] Tequila. Wind Repair reports that Cabo
[33:50] Wabo Tequila by X was the original celebrity Tequila,
[33:55] launched in 1996. OK.
[33:59] OK, so Cabo Wabo Tequila was launched by this public figure
[34:02] X, and it was launched in 1996. Though X's name might suggest an
[34:08] Arab origin, his last name being the mother of all Arab names, X
[34:14] is actually of Irish and Italian descent.
[34:18] So whose X? Did you say mother of all Arabic
[34:22] words? Of all Arab names.
[34:24] Names. Yeah.
[34:26] Wow. It's a creative ways of phrasing
[34:29] that particular clue is all I'm going to say.
[34:31] Maybe when you hear the answer it'll make sense.
[34:34] OK. I can tell you one thing, if
[34:36] Bertie was here, he would probably answer this question in
[34:40] like, oh .25 seconds. Flat Oh, this is a musician.
[34:46] It's a musician, isn't this? No way are you putting me
[34:51] through the grinder for a musician when I have.
[34:54] No, so that's why I gave you the second clue, right?
[34:56] Though X's name might suggest an Arab origin, his last name being
[35:01] the mother of all Arab names, X is actually of Irish and Italian
[35:06] descent. Again, I don't know why you
[35:09] assume that I know anything about the ancestry of any
[35:12] musician in the world, let alone somebody who is famous for
[35:16] coming up with a tequila brand. First of all, let's just put one
[35:20] thing out there. He's not just famous for, you
[35:24] know, a tequila brand. He's famous for something much,
[35:27] much better. No, I was thinking about this
[35:30] when I was editing the 90th episode and the way well both
[35:36] you and were reading of names of like bass guitarists in that the
[35:41] question about dil say. Oh, wait, no, no, no, no, you're
[35:43] mistaken. I did not do that.
[35:46] Bertie was reeling of names. I was reeling of bands.
[35:49] That's it. And not successfully either.
[35:52] To me, both of you sorted very very well versed with this
[35:56] particular industry. In any case, I feel like I am
[35:59] woefully inadequate in my knowledge.
[36:02] Yes, which is why the second clue.
[36:06] OK, give me something, give me the name of a famous song or or
[36:12] some album or anything. OK, that I will give you at the
[36:15] end because it's very easy to do that.
[36:17] I will give you an indirect clue.
[36:18] First, when you have a band, so usually have the lead singer of
[36:24] the man being really, really famous.
[36:27] The thing is this band's lead singers are very, very famous
[36:32] and their guitarist is also very famous.
[36:36] And the band is actually not named after the lead singers,
[36:41] either of them. OK.
[36:42] It's named after the guitarist. I mean like, that's your biggest
[36:45] clue? Oh, it's a band named after
[36:48] somebody, and it happens to be not the singer, but the
[36:50] guitarist. Yes.
[36:53] This because I have gone through trivia in the past where I was
[36:56] like oh this should be fun trivia to ask Vineet.
[36:59] I know a bunch of band name etymologies.
[37:02] Oh nice. And I feel like this is, I
[37:05] believe this is Van Halen, Eddie Van Halen.
[37:08] Oh, very nice. OK yes, So Eddie Van Halen,
[37:11] obviously, yes. He also had a mention in our
[37:14] previous episode with Bertie. Call us into that.
[37:16] Yes. So the band is Van Halen, but X
[37:20] is not Van Halen. OK, so you have the band now who
[37:25] who was a lead singer of Van Halen would fit this criteria?
[37:30] OK, I can also now tell you the reason why Bertie would answer
[37:32] this flat is because Cabo Wabo is a Van Halen song.
[37:36] Oh, OK, well that's that's a great clue right there for
[37:40] somebody who knows Van Halen songs.
[37:42] Exactly. But for somebody who doesn't
[37:44] know Van Halen songs, the last name again might suggest an Arab
[37:50] origin, his name being the mother of all Arab names.
[37:53] This is my clue to you. What does?
[37:55] Mother of all Arab names even mean.
[37:58] Oh yeah, I've mentioned this I think on the podcast maybe a
[38:01] year back. I think this was in the first
[38:02] few episodes or something like that, but think of the mother of
[38:08] all Arabs. I don't even know what that
[38:12] phrase means. The mother of all Arabs?
[38:14] Like, is it a metaphor for, I don't know, the Bedouin culture,
[38:18] the Arabic culture? Like I don't know what it means.
[38:21] No. OK, another clue I can think I
[38:24] tell you is think of a comic strip Viking that may help you.
[38:28] Comic strip Viking. Oh I'm thinking of 1 comic strip
[38:33] and the name is just out of reach but I can think of.
[38:39] For those who are listening, Aditya is currently in Abu
[38:43] Dhabi. And so because he's in Abu Dhabi
[38:45] in the UAE, I'm going to give a UAE related clue.
[38:49] So Aditya, you as am I, are a child of the 90s or at least the
[38:54] latter half of the 90s. So let me just give you this
[38:56] clue. This comic strip used to appear
[38:58] in Young Times which was the youth magazine from Khaleej
[39:02] Times which is 1 I think the biggest newspaper in in UAE.
[39:06] Yeah, no, I know what you're talking about.
[39:07] There's a Viking cartoon comic strip thing and I'm forgetting
[39:11] the IT is, it is something something.
[39:14] I don't know why I'm thinking Ivan the Horrible, but I don't
[39:17] think it's Ivan the Horrible. Ivan the Terrible.
[39:18] Oh, you're very close. You're very close.
[39:21] Something the horrible or something the terrible.
[39:25] It is the horrible, I'll give you that.
[39:26] It's horrible. Harold the Horrible Harold No.
[39:30] No, no, no, no. Oh, man.
[39:33] OK, Put me out of my misery. Is it?
[39:34] I don't know. I don't know what it is.
[39:36] OK, so it's Hagar the Horrible. Who is it?
[39:41] Is the name of the guy Sami Sami?
[39:44] Sami Hagar? Sami Hagar.
[39:46] Yes, yes, yes, yes. So Sami Hagar, it's the curse of
[39:51] Eddie Van Halen that he had a band named after himself, but
[39:54] both the lead singers, the first lead singer, David Lee Roth,
[39:57] David. Lee Roth, Yes.
[39:58] Yes, David Lee Roth. And after David Lee Roth left
[40:01] Van Halen, Sammy Hagar, who became the lead singer of Van
[40:04] Halen, both of them ended up being more famous, as you know,
[40:07] than Van Halen himself. So now do you get the clue that
[40:12] his name might suggest? How is Hagar the mother of all
[40:15] Arabic names? OK, this is going to be a little
[40:18] controversial so, but I'm going to say it anyway.
[40:22] If I told you that all the problems of the Middle East are
[40:30] because one woman couldn't get pregnant.
[40:35] Dread lightly. Tread very lightly.
[40:39] OK, go ahead. So when you're talking about
[40:41] Islam or Christianity or Judaism, they are all called a
[40:47] particular name, right? They're all called.
[40:49] Abrahamic religion, Yeah. Abrahamic faith.
[40:51] Yeah, yeah. Yes, so because we are talking
[40:53] about Abraham. Abraham was the progenitor of
[40:56] all the Jews and the Christians and the Muslims.
[40:59] So Abraham was trying to get a son and he was not able to and
[41:08] so he had a wife by the name of Sarah and he was trying to get
[41:13] son through Sarah but he was not able to and so he he got a son
[41:19] through Hagar. Who?
[41:21] Was an Egyptian slave and had Maiden of Sarah.
[41:25] OK. So when Sarah couldn't have a
[41:27] child, she gave Hagar to Abraham to bear a child.
[41:32] I see. OK, so Abraham's first born son
[41:35] through Hagar, Ishmael became the progenitor of the
[41:39] Ishmaelites, generally taken to be the Arabs.
[41:43] Wow, OK. And then later, when he had a
[41:45] son through Sarah, that particular line is believed to
[41:48] have given birth to the Jews, which is Isaac.
[41:52] Yes, Isaac was the son of Sarah who begot the Jews, and then
[41:57] Ishmael the son of Hagar who begot the Arabs.
[42:01] So technically, Hagar is the mother of all Arabs.
[42:05] Wow. OK, OK, cool.
[42:08] That was the clue, a very cryptic clue I had put in.
[42:11] It turned out to be too cryptic. Here for me at least.
[42:14] But no, that was a fun piece of tree, and I'm so glad I did not
[42:17] take as long as I thought I would.
[42:19] Van Halen got me there quicker than I would have imagined
[42:24] otherwise. OK, great.
[42:25] All right, so since you took us on a little bit of a historical
[42:29] tour and tried to narrow it down to the problems of Middle East
[42:33] today, I'm going to bring it home and talk about the problems
[42:37] of India and something that has been used to sort of curb or
[42:42] fight this specific problem. And the problem I'm talking
[42:45] about is political corruption. Oh God.
[42:49] So. What are you talking about?
[42:50] There's no corruption in India. Yeah, you are sitting in India
[42:54] and you can hide behind that facade.
[42:57] But since I'm in Abu Dhabi, for a while at least, I can claim
[43:00] that there is corruption in India still.
[43:02] And to fight the systemic political corruption in India,
[43:05] there is a specific protest that angry active citizenry of India
[43:12] have used to, in a way to mock or to deride the government
[43:17] functionaries who solicit bribes in return for services which are
[43:20] technically supposed to be free. And most people in India would
[43:23] have encountered, they sort of heard about it.
[43:26] As of August 2014, there were 2.5 million such protests.
[43:33] So it it has been done way too many times as a sign of protest
[43:39] or as a sign of anger from citizenry.
[43:41] So what is it that I talk about that people do to protest
[43:47] against, like I said, people in the government asking for bribes
[43:50] in exchange for services meant to be free?
[43:53] Dharna, OK. So this is a very vague question
[43:56] to begin with. So let me be a little bit more
[43:58] specific. In 2007, a non profit
[44:01] organization known as Fifth Pillar created this as a means
[44:07] for Indians to register their refusal to participate in
[44:09] bribery. Oh wait, these are fake notes.
[44:14] Very, very good, very, very close, almost there.
[44:17] Can you be a little bit more specific?
[44:19] I remember reading about this somewhere.
[44:21] These are like fake notes, right?
[44:22] The fake banknotes that you give them instead of real banknotes
[44:28] or something like that, right? I can remember the fake note
[44:30] part. I can't pass the rest of it from
[44:32] my memory. Do you know what that note said
[44:37] or what was on the note specifically?
[44:39] That's what I'm looking for. Oh.
[44:40] OK, Yeah, that. No, no, I can't remember that.
[44:44] What do you think was the denomination of this note?
[44:47] That. Would be a great one as well,
[44:50] but no. OK, I'll give it to you.
[44:52] You pretty much reacted. It's a ₹0 note.
[44:55] Oh, OK, nice, nice. And it is very closely designed
[45:00] to look like the ₹50 note, but obviously it says ₹0 on it.
[45:05] And it has some interesting phrases on it as well.
[45:08] In Hindi, it says Bristachar khatam karo, or eliminate
[45:12] corruption at all levels. Yeah, I promise to neither
[45:16] accept nor give bribes is also written at the bottom on the
[45:20] side. It says Fifth Pillar.
[45:21] Obviously, it says 00 rupees on it and looks slightly similar to
[45:24] ₹50. But it is meant to be obviously
[45:26] a protest note. And the president of Fifth
[45:28] Pillar, Vijayanand, had expressed satisfaction with the
[45:31] program's efficiency, talking about how once an auto rickshaw
[45:34] driver was pulled over by a policeman in the middle of the
[45:37] night and obviously he was soliciting a bribe.
[45:41] This man gave him a ₹0 note in exchange and was let off.
[45:45] I guess the policeman liked his bravado or his spa and pulling
[45:51] off a move like that. It was pretty cool.
[45:54] And as of 2014, which is also when I think or around there in
[45:57] the old ₹50 note started to be phased out, but 2.5 million
[46:01] notes had been distributed. So since 2007 when the inception
[46:05] happened all the way to 2014, there were 2.5 million notes
[46:08] being used across the country. So yeah ₹0 bank note.
[46:13] Nice, nice. Google it, it's a little clever
[46:17] piece of protest. OK, very nice.
[46:19] That was a great question. That's I think all the time we
[46:22] have for a regular quizzing. For today's episode, let's start
[46:26] winding up by answering the audience question.
[46:29] So the audience question for today was connect the following
[46:33] countries, Vatican City, Andoras, Monaco, San Marino and
[46:37] Liechtenstein. What is this?
[46:39] An exhaustive list of Aditya? Countries which have the same
[46:44] capital, I mean the name of the capital is the name of the
[46:47] country as well in Europe. No, this is not the exhaustive
[46:51] list of that and I don't think Andorra is in Europe.
[46:56] Andorra is in Europe. Oh, it is in Europe.
[46:58] Sorry. And Andorra Lavela is the name
[47:01] of the capital. San Marino also is the name of
[47:03] San Marino's capital. Liechtenstein.
[47:06] Oh, you're right. Liechtenstein is not
[47:08] Liechtenstein is Varus. Oh, I'm thinking Luxembourg.
[47:10] Luxembourg's capital is Luxembourg's capital is
[47:12] Luxembourg, right? So any other ideas?
[47:17] Liechtenstein's San Marino, Andora What else do Vatican City
[47:21] right? Vatican City, is that it?
[47:25] Yeah, that's it. Is it something to do with
[47:27] flags? It's nothing to do with flags.
[47:30] I would suggest that you focus on Vatican City and think about
[47:34] what it does not have. Women.
[47:39] No, there are women in Vatican City.
[47:41] No, actually the citizen citizenry of Vatican is entirely
[47:44] male. There are no female citizens of
[47:48] Vatican City. But anyways.
[47:50] OK, maybe not citizens, but I'm guessing there are definitely
[47:53] are nuns. I'm also not too sure but I
[47:56] remember watching a video about this a while back.
[47:58] But anyways, coming back to this, Andorra, Liechtenstein,
[48:01] Monaco, Vatican City? No, no idea.
[48:06] No. OK, so I will, I will, I will
[48:08] give you the answer. These are the only countries
[48:13] with no airports. I was just going to say, I was
[48:16] just going to say an airport. Oh, man.
[48:18] OK, alright. Interesting.
[48:21] Yeah. Wow.
[48:23] So these are the only countries with no airports.
[48:25] Everywhere else, you find an airport, not including helipads
[48:29] or heliports. And this I'm talking about full
[48:31] airports with runways. These are the only countries in
[48:33] the world with no airports. Yeah.
[48:36] So that's it. OK Before we wrap up, what's the
[48:40] your pop culture recommendation for this week?
[48:43] Aditya. OK, since that came up earlier,
[48:45] I'm just going to recommend it again.
[48:46] Ryan Gosling's SNL sketches for sure, especially the ones about
[48:50] Papyrus. But I'm just going to do some
[48:52] Ryan Gosling movies because I'm a lovely actor.
[48:55] That's the work I've always enjoyed.
[48:57] So I'm going to start with Blue Valentine.
[48:59] Blue Valentine. Oh, you're starting off with the
[49:02] most depressing one on the list. Yes, it is depressing, but it's
[49:06] it's a great movie, first man, something which I don't think
[49:09] got as much recognition as it should have.
[49:11] So first one was good, little long, but not bad drive.
[49:15] I think we've mentioned it in one of our trivias where we
[49:18] talked about a protagonist with no name.
[49:20] One of those, yes. Yeah, I really enjoyed Crazy
[49:22] Stupid Love. That's one of my favorite Ryan
[49:24] Gosling movies and Steve Carell movies.
[49:27] Steve Carell movies, yes, yeah, absolutely.
[49:29] And the combination of Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling obviously
[49:32] brings you to La La Land as well.
[49:34] So check out La La Land Classic. And the last one I'm going to
[49:38] recommend, which for some reason, not a lot, not a lot of
[49:40] people have seen, is The Ides of March.
[49:44] I think it's a great movie watching.
[49:45] It I have seen the Ides of March.
[49:47] Oh like how can I forget the big shot as well?
[49:49] Yes, I have. Actually, I want to add on to
[49:53] this because Aditya picked up all of Ryan Gosling's most
[49:58] highbrow movies. These are like his very well
[50:02] reviewed highbrow movies. I'm going to go a little more
[50:06] Massey. One of my favorite Ryan Gosling
[50:08] movies is The Nice Guys, which is a Shane Black, a written
[50:12] directorial movie. Fantastic.
[50:14] If you love Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, starring Robert Downey Junior,
[50:18] then you'll definitely love The Nice Guys.
[50:20] It's like a buddy comedy with him and Russell Crowe.
[50:23] Fantastic. He's also there in The Fall Guy,
[50:27] which I found was a very fun movie, his latest film, The Fall
[50:30] Guy. I also want to give a shout out
[50:33] to Blade Runner 2049. Wow, what a great movie.
[50:36] How did I miss that? Yes, obviously.
[50:38] Yes, Blade Runner and a movie that many of you may not have
[50:42] seen strongly recommending is a movie called Fracture.
[50:48] Fracture is the crime thriller starring Anthony Hopkins and
[50:52] Ryan Gosling. It is a very, very good movie
[50:56] that you really have to watch. And I am on tenterhooks for Ryan
[51:01] Gosling's next movie, which is coming out in a couple of years
[51:05] because I've recommended the book on which it's based, I
[51:08] think very early on in our podcast, and I'm a big fan of
[51:12] it, of this book by Andy Ware called Project Hail Mary.
[51:17] I've mentioned it in our podcast.
[51:19] I've recommended it to God knows how many people.
[51:21] It's one of the most fun science fiction books I have read.
[51:25] It's just fantastic. So Project Hail Mary is also of
[51:29] one of the Ryan Gosling's movies, which is coming out I
[51:31] think in a couple of years. So that's adding on to Aditya's
[51:35] list of pop culture recommendations.
[51:38] I would also now add 1 of my own.
[51:41] It is. There's a series which has come
[51:43] out recently called Citadel Honey Bunny.
[51:45] It's part of the Citadel universe by the Russo Brothers,
[51:49] and it stars Samantha Ruth Prabhu and Varun Dhawan.
[51:54] And it's pretty fun. It's bingeable.
[51:56] It's not that long, frankly, It doesn't do a lot of world
[51:59] building, and it seems like a very claustrophobic world, which
[52:02] is one of the complaints I have with the entries into the
[52:04] Citadel universe. But it's fairly fun, something
[52:08] that you can watch out on the weekend without spending too
[52:11] much effort or thinking too much about it.
[52:12] So those are my pop culture recommendations for this week.
[52:17] Fun. Yeah.
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