# Episode 123 - Ek Do Teen

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 9 Dec 2025, 59 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Which Bollywood actor started as a copywriter in advertising
[0:05] firms such as Ogilvy and Mathers and J Walter Thompson and is
[0:10] also Sonam Kapoor's second cousin?
[0:14] That's our audience question for today.
[0:15] A little Bollywood trivia for you.
[0:17] This is are you quizzing me? And this is episode Ek Do teen
[0:22] or 123 give the music. Welcome to Are you quizzing me.
[0:28] I am Vineet Nair with my Co host Aditya Kashyap.
[0:31] This is a quizzing trivia podcast show.
[0:34] Join us as we dive deep into history, science, pop culture
[0:39] and so much more. Let's get quizzing.
[0:41] So Adi, we are back for another round of quizzing and I have a
[0:46] cracker of a question to start off our episode with today.
[0:49] Are you ready? I love it when you set me up for
[0:52] cracker questions because I know I'm going to suck at it and it's
[0:56] just going to be a joyride. So hit me.
[0:59] OK, hopefully you've never heard of this because I'm.
[1:01] Telling you now I'm telling you. I'm telling you.
[1:03] I haven't. I haven't heard of it.
[1:05] OK, let's assume that. Let's assume, let's assume.
[1:07] OK, so on December 20th, 1978, Indian Airlines flight IC410
[1:16] which was a Boeing flight from Kolkata to Delhi was hijacked
[1:21] mid air by two hijackers who held 132 passengers hostage for
[1:28] hours while demanding the unconditional release of X from
[1:34] jail. The hijackers surrendered
[1:37] peacefully after negotiations. However, no charges were filed
[1:43] and the hijackers walked free. So my question is, whose release
[1:49] did the hijackers demand? And bonus points if you can tell
[1:53] me what became of the two of them. 1978 did you say?
[1:58] Yes, December 20th, 1978, around 21 years before the IC814
[2:04] hijack. That's the one that I remember,
[2:06] that's the iconic one where where they fled to Kandahar
[2:09] airport. Yes, yes they were.
[2:11] It was hijacked around Christmas and the they tried originally to
[2:16] go to Pakistan. Pakistan did not allow them to
[2:19] land, but then they did actually anyway, and they finally ended
[2:22] up in Kandahar and the Indian government had to release a few
[2:28] known terrorists to secure the hostages.
[2:32] That was a tough, tough day in Indian history, but this sounds
[2:36] interesting. No charges were filed, No.
[2:39] Charges were filed. Sorry, was the person released?
[2:42] Yes, both the hijackers walked free.
[2:46] No, no, they were demanding the release of somebody, right?
[2:49] Basically, the reason for them taking the plane hostage was to
[2:53] demand for the unconditional release of X from jail.
[2:57] Was X released from jail? Yes, X was released from jail,
[3:00] but that's not because these people were asking for that.
[3:03] But it just happened to happen, you know, roughly around the
[3:05] same time. I was thinking something where
[3:10] history is on their side, something like, I don't know,
[3:13] demanding the release of Nelson Mandela from Indian government
[3:16] should be really stupid. Oh.
[3:17] No, no, I don't think the Indian government could do anything
[3:19] about Nelson Mandela. Yeah, also there would have to
[3:22] be a ridiculous plot, and 1978 is anyways too early for Robben
[3:27] Island. Yeah, if they were not whatever
[3:30] persecuted or convicted. I'm assuming in some way their
[3:34] demands were justified, though tough to imagine why I.
[3:38] Wouldn't say the demands were justified.
[3:41] Fun fact, the two hijackers held the plane hostage armed only
[3:49] with a toy pistol and a cricket ball.
[3:53] It's. Going to be kids, right?
[3:55] I mean, nobody was going to take kids seriously if they were
[3:57] doing that, no? No, no.
[3:59] Grown men. Grown men.
[4:00] Trust me, grown men. And you're not talking about a
[4:03] fictional work or something like a movie or a.
[4:07] Oh no, no, this is not fictional, trust me.
[4:09] This is a real event that has happened in Indian history.
[4:13] Two men hijacked a plane with a toy pistol and a cricket ball
[4:18] and went Scott free. Oh yeah, OK, no, no idea.
[4:23] Like this is this is not ringing any bells to the.
[4:25] Person that they wanted released was an Indian politician.
[4:29] Political prisoner release demanded emergency.
[4:35] Makes me think something to do with The Who are the people that
[4:41] you know Vajpayee? I think Advani also went to jail
[4:44] in that period. So 1978 is post emergency.
[4:49] That is true. It was done and I think that
[4:51] meant these guys had all been released, Emergency ended and
[4:56] Indira Gandhi lost power. Yes, which meant RJD came to
[5:01] power. Okay, okay, all of that.
[5:02] So who? Who got who got arrested?
[5:04] Don't Indra Gandhi never went to prison for the Emergency?
[5:07] It is Indira Gandhi. Wait, isn't even to.
[5:09] Prison. Okay, yes, you're not going to
[5:11] hear the story. Sit back, relax, and let me
[5:13] guide you into this nut ball of a hijack.
[5:17] Putting my mic. Away, yes.
[5:19] Okay, so Indian Airlines flight IC410 was a Boeing 730-7200 on
[5:26] route from Kolkata to Delhi Palam Airport.
[5:28] It was hijacked on December 20th, 1978 minutes before
[5:32] landing by brothers Bholanath Pandey and Devendranath Pandey.
[5:38] The self-proclaimed Indian Youth Congress supporters, armed only
[5:41] with a toy pistol and a cricket ball, seized the cockpit
[5:45] somewhere over Aligarh broadcast demands via intercom and forced
[5:49] diversion to Varanasi airport due to insufficient fuel for
[5:52] Nepal or Bangladesh. They held roughly 130 passengers
[5:57] and crew hostage overnight demanding Indira Gandhi's
[6:01] release, case withdrawals against Sanjay Gandhi and the
[6:05] Janta Party resignation. Around 60 passengers escaped via
[6:09] the rear door during ventilation issues and the hijackers
[6:12] surrendered peacefully by December 21st morning after
[6:16] negotiations led by UPCM, Ram Naresh Yadav, IG Police and
[6:20] Chief Secretary. OK now why was Indira Gandhi in
[6:24] jail? Indira Gandhi faced post
[6:26] emergency backlash under the Janata Party government.
[6:28] On December 19th, one day before the hijack, she was arrested in
[6:32] Delhi along with Sanjay Gandhi and detained in Tihar Jail for
[6:36] violating parliamentary privilege by refusing to answer
[6:40] questions on emergency era abuses.
[6:44] OK. She spent 24 hours in custody
[6:47] before release on December 20th evening.
[6:50] That is just after the hijack had started.
[6:52] So she was already caught by the time these guys have taken the
[6:55] hijack. You know the plane on hijack.
[6:58] She was on out on bail, on interim bail by a Delhi court
[7:01] citing health and age-related issues.
[7:04] Full charges were dropped soon after.
[7:06] I met political pressure and procedure flows.
[7:09] The hijack actually amplified sympathy for her.
[7:12] OK. This is already quite bonkers
[7:16] right now. No FIR or charges were filed
[7:20] against the Pandes. Despite the outrage, they both
[7:24] walked free. Second part of the question,
[7:27] what happened to them? Again, I embarrassed myself
[7:30] already by saying RJD when it was clearly JD Janta Dal not
[7:34] trusted Janta Dal. Isn't, Yeah.
[7:39] What happened? These names don't sound very
[7:41] familiar, but my memory might just be failing me.
[7:44] So I'm guessing they became politicians of some sort, then
[7:50] the next Congress government. So no FIR or charges were filed
[7:55] against the Pandis despite the outrage.
[7:56] Charan Singh's interim government post Maraji Desai
[8:00] deprioritized, you know, prosecution of these two.
[8:03] Indira Gandhi's 1980 election victory rewarded them.
[8:07] Bholanath got a Congress ticket from Phulpur and he won in 1980.
[8:12] Devendra from Major won in 1980, reelected 1985 and served as UP
[8:17] Minister of State for Animal Husbandry in the 1985 Congress
[8:21] NCP coalition under VIR Bahadur Singh.
[8:23] Oh Jesus Christ. Bolanath later became up
[8:27] Congress general secretary. Oh my God.
[8:29] Both of them remained partly loyalist until Bolanath died in
[8:32] 2024. I have against capital
[8:34] punishment. I, I don't think capital
[8:36] punishment has any place in our civilized society.
[8:40] But my God, if you do end up hijacking a plane, the very
[8:45] least that you should be sentenced to is a very, very
[8:49] long prison term. And that too, the release of
[8:53] somebody who was arrested 24 hours, 24.
[8:56] And that hadn't even been 24 hours.
[8:57] Like, if she, Indira Gandhi, had suffered through the years and
[9:01] decades and there's an old, frail woman who needs health
[9:04] care and you're fighting for her 'cause even then it would be
[9:08] very, very messed up to hijack a plane.
[9:11] But 24 hours, what, 24 hours? The people who were hijacked
[9:20] were technically in captivity longer than Indra Gadhi was, or
[9:24] at least beyond where Indra Gadhi.
[9:26] Was like she was already out on bail by the time like these guys
[9:29] are hijacking a plane and she's already on her way home.
[9:34] I don't want to read too much into it and please don't take
[9:37] this as any political commentary, but if that is a
[9:40] competency needed, no. No, they weren't even competent
[9:43] hijackers. Around 60 of their passengers,
[9:45] roughly 50% of their hostages, escape.
[9:47] Ridicule upon these two people and upon anybody who gave them
[9:51] the seats of power. Oh my God, Yeah, That's, that's
[9:58] funny. That's quite funny.
[9:59] I was just shocked to find that, you know, there were two people
[10:02] who hijacked a plane. Nothing happened to them.
[10:06] If Indira Gandhi's nickname was Indie, you know what they were
[10:11] basically saying? Indie go.
[10:15] Oh God no. I have been looking at people's
[10:20] social media posts about all the Indigo flight delays and my God
[10:25] it is. It is harrowing.
[10:26] Oh. Yeah, it's brutal.
[10:28] And today actually, this happened while I was at the
[10:30] airport. I saw a couple come and they
[10:33] were denied entry because they were going through the Jyatra
[10:36] and the lady over there is like, oh, what flight are you on?
[10:38] And they mentioned the flight and they're like, oh, it's
[10:39] cancelled. And she's like, you cancelled
[10:41] the same flight yesterday and you gave me this flight today
[10:44] and I came here for this flight and you're telling me now while
[10:46] I'm at the airport that this flight is also cancelled?
[10:48] Oh God. So I understand passengers
[10:50] frustration completely justified through to death to corporate
[10:54] big corporates who who ruin our lives on a daily basis.
[10:59] Indigo sucks but don't take it out on the ground stuff.
[11:02] I don't know if this is completely true.
[11:04] Again, you can't trust anything you see on social media, but I
[11:06] did see a a picture of a couple attending their wedding
[11:10] reception in absentia. Like they were on a screen where
[11:13] people were there in person because they couldn't make it
[11:15] because the. Flights.
[11:18] So they got married. They went somewhere for the
[11:20] honeymoon or whatever. When they came back, when they
[11:22] wanted to come back for the reception, they couldn't.
[11:24] So there's a hall literally filled with their relatives and
[11:26] friends. And these two are on a they're
[11:29] on a computer like a TV screen, they're sitting on ATV screen,
[11:32] and they've attended their own reception in absentia.
[11:35] Oh man, this is sad but funny. Hopefully they see the human in
[11:41] it in a few years. Yeah.
[11:42] Yeah, and we'll make a hell of a story.
[11:45] Indeed. OK, hit me with your question,
[11:47] man. Speaking of the hijacking and
[11:50] the problematic things from our past, the answer to this
[11:54] question might feel a little outdated for 2025.
[11:58] OK, OK, my segue is technically the answer and kind of a hint.
[12:04] In 1921, Andrew Canelos opened a small candy store in Chicago.
[12:12] He gave the store the name X in reference to himself, but
[12:18] eventually realized that his sales were not as good because
[12:22] of the name X. He eventually changed the name
[12:27] to Y and that helped boost the sales.
[12:31] And it's a fairly well known chocolate brand.
[12:35] Or let's say the two chocolate connoisseurs.
[12:37] It would be a known brand. In any case, I want you to tell
[12:41] me what was the initial name X and more importantly, why was it
[12:45] not doing so well and he had to change it to Y?
[12:49] What was his name again? Andrew Canelos, That sounds like
[12:53] a Greek person. I guess so.
[12:54] Must have been a Greek individual.
[12:57] Yeah, did he name it Cannoli and people thought it was a cannoli
[13:00] shop? No, it wasn't that Case, No.
[13:03] Take the cannoli, leave the ground.
[13:04] Badly. This was an improvised dialogue.
[13:06] OK, so it's Canelos. What is his first name?
[13:09] OK. And that should be my first hint
[13:12] that the name of the shop initially was a reference to his
[13:15] first name. The first name was Andrew.
[13:18] Andrew Andy's chocolates. Think how I would name
[13:23] something. Wait, Deez Nuts.
[13:25] No, no, no, it's it's not, it's not, it's not that juvenile.
[13:30] He came up with the rhyming name.
[13:31] You were right with the first first word that you used.
[13:34] Andy's Candies. Andy's Candies.
[13:36] Perfect. SO Andrew Canelos in 1921 opened
[13:40] a small candy store in Chicago, IL and he initially called the
[13:43] store Andy's Candies. He eventually had to change the
[13:48] name because he realized his sales were not doing so well
[13:52] because of a certain hold up his customers were having.
[13:55] OK, try to figure out what the reason was, and for bonus points
[13:59] figure out what the name he changed it to because it's not
[14:01] the most famous of chocolates. That's just a bonus point if you
[14:04] get the eventually. OK, Is it Reese's Pieces?
[14:07] Oh. No, no, no.
[14:08] Like I said, it's not the most famous of names.
[14:11] I'll even give you the name, all right, because it's not that
[14:13] famous. It's called Andes, Mints and
[14:16] Andes, like the Andes Mountains, Andes.
[14:20] Oh, OK, OK. And these are famous because
[14:22] these are mint chocolates that are very commonly, at least in
[14:25] America, very commonly handed out hotels in hotels.
[14:27] Yes, exactly. Mint on the pillow.
[14:30] Yeah, yeah. And Olive Garden actually is
[14:32] where it found its fame. And the mint use it.
[14:35] Olive Garden is a special flavor manufactured exclusively for the
[14:38] restaurant chain. So that's the claim to fame for
[14:42] Andy's Mints. Why did he change Andy's candies
[14:46] to Andy's Mints, where Andy's is spelled Andes?
[14:50] It's a very dirty joke. I could make it, but it would
[14:53] only appeal to those who know Malayalam.
[14:54] So I'm going to refrain from doing that.
[14:56] Those who are listening who know Malayalam already know what I
[14:59] want to talk about. OK, let's forget that I'm
[15:04] telling you from Malayali. Read Andy's candies in a
[15:07] Malayali accent. It would have a completely
[15:09] different meaning. So.
[15:10] I'm not marking this episode as a result of content, so we are
[15:13] skipping this joke. Let's go ahead.
[15:21] Why Andy's candies to Andy's Mint?
[15:24] The name initially was Andy's Candies.
[15:26] Where Andy, the nickname for Andrew was spelled Andy
[15:31] Apostrophe S candies and he eventually changed it to Andy's
[15:37] Candies and became Andy's Mints and Andy's spelled with Andes.
[15:40] So the change, more importantly was Andy Apostrophe S to Andes.
[15:46] I have no clue man, Absolutely nothing.
[15:50] The hint that I given initially that the reason might feel a
[15:53] little outdated, a little, let's say, a success for 2025.
[15:58] Did you think it was a woman and Andy was a woman?
[16:02] No, but fine, I'll, I'll just give you the answer.
[16:05] And I just thought it was a fun piece of trivia because of why
[16:08] this interesting brand, which is very famous today, got its name
[16:11] and it has nothing to do with the mountains, the anti
[16:13] mountains. It was named after somebody
[16:15] called Andrew and his nickname was Andy.
[16:17] He changed the name because men did not want to gift their wives
[16:21] or girlfriends chocolates which had another man's name on it.
[16:25] Are you kidding me? So they didn't want to give
[16:28] Andy's candies to their female partners and in the process it
[16:35] was hurting his sales so he had to change it is the funny part
[16:38] is that he had to change it to Andy's candies or Andy's Mints
[16:42] and it was spelled Andes, which is the name of mountain.
[16:45] That had nothing to do with the mountain range.
[16:48] It was still technically referenced to his own name, it
[16:51] just had to be modified so people forgot that it referred
[16:54] to his name. Which years was this again?
[16:57] 1921 is when he launched. It So yeah, putting my few, you
[17:00] know, myself in the shoes of a man from that era, I could see
[17:04] why I wouldn't want my girlfriend or, you know, a
[17:07] significant other popping Andy's candy in her mouth.
[17:11] No. No.
[17:14] Anyways, I don't think it had anything to do the the the
[17:17] sexual connotation of it. It was literally the weird
[17:20] sexism. It's also funny because that is
[17:22] also the era. I might be off by maybe a decade
[17:25] or so, but Hershey's and all of these were also from that era.
[17:28] Yeah, and Hershey's case is? Hershey technically named after
[17:31] a man. I guess Hershey's not that
[17:34] common a name so they didn't care that much.
[17:36] But when Andy a common name even back then.
[17:39] So Andy's mints. The Andes Andy's mints get their
[17:44] name because people are unwilling to give their
[17:47] girlfriends and wives another man's chocolates.
[17:51] Let's make our own chocolate then.
[17:54] Silliest reason I've heard, and I've heard a lot of silly
[17:56] reasons in business, but it's one of the silliest reasons yet.
[18:00] Speaking of silly reasons, which Indian police officer refused to
[18:08] distribute condoms in Tihar Jail, citing concerns about
[18:13] promoting homosexuality and referencing Western solutions?
[18:19] And how did this action indirectly lead to the
[18:24] advancement of gay and LGBTQ rights in India?
[18:27] Do you say which policeman like is a specific policeman that I
[18:30] should know? Yes, I'm asking for the name of
[18:32] a police officer. Yes.
[18:34] Oh, because I don't think I know a lot of police officer names at
[18:37] the top of my head. You definitely know this police
[18:40] officer. OK, I want to repeat the
[18:42] question, so listen to it carefully, specifically where
[18:45] this is saying, Sir, which Indian police officer refused to
[18:50] distribute condoms in Tihar jail?
[18:54] Didn't your last question also featured Tihar Jail?
[18:56] Why there wasn't Indira Gandhi in Tihar Jail?
[18:58] Yes, Indira Gandhi was also in Tihar Jail.
[19:00] Yes. Yeah.
[19:01] The Tihar Jail special episode. We'll do Arthur Rd. jail next
[19:04] time. The reason I'm asking is this
[19:07] person's name is very closely associated with Tihar Jail
[19:10] because ironically even though this is what has been done, they
[19:14] have been known to they brought around a lot of reforms in the
[19:18] jail during their tenure. This is a famous cop.
[19:23] Did you mention the time? Because you said this advanced
[19:25] LGBTQ rights, I'm assuming this has to be the 90s or the 2000s
[19:29] only. This is the early 1990s, yes.
[19:31] Then the only person Delhi Police and I just realized you
[19:38] never mentioned he comes to mind is Kiran Bedi.
[19:42] Very good. Literally the only person I can
[19:45] think of. Yes, it is.
[19:46] It is Kiran Bedi. Obviously, if I'm going to ask
[19:48] you about one specific police officer, it has to be somebody
[19:51] with hurt level of exposure. I was about to give you a clue.
[19:54] This is when she was the Superintendent of Tihar Jail.
[19:57] But when she was in charge of the traffic in enforcement in
[20:01] Delhi, she got the unflattering nickname of Crane Bedi, which is
[20:06] very clever play on Kiran Bedi because she was famous for
[20:09] having. The cards of babus who park
[20:12] illegally towed away. Shows you that people have
[20:14] multitudes. People are complex.
[20:16] People are complex. So do you have any idea?
[20:19] This is just a subsidiary to the first of the corollary to the
[20:22] original question, but do you have any idea as to how this
[20:25] indirectly led to the advancement of gay rights and
[20:29] LGBTQ rights in India? Did the HIV rates actually spike
[20:33] in the jail and that led to more awareness?
[20:37] No, no, no, no. No, I don't know.
[20:39] No, it's a corollary. It's fine if you don't get it.
[20:41] It's a piece of legal history which I found interesting.
[20:44] But Chillo, so I'll explain the whole thing again.
[20:48] So in the early 1990s, Kiran Bedi, then the Inspector General
[20:52] of Tihar Jail, prohibited doctors and HIV AIDS prevention
[20:56] groups from distributing condoms to inmates.
[20:59] She argued that consensual homosexual behaviour was
[21:03] virtually unknown at Tihar and believed that distributing
[21:07] condoms would encourage homosexuality, which she
[21:10] described as a Western solution unsuitable for Tihar, which she
[21:14] preferred to call Tihar Ashram. My God.
[21:18] The decision sparked considerable display debate,
[21:22] especially as studies had shown a high prevalence of unprotected
[21:26] sex among inmates, raising concerns over HIV and AIDS
[21:29] transmission. This incident became a turning
[21:34] point in India's gay rights history.
[21:36] The AIDS Baidpa Virodhi Andolan, the ABVA, an activist group,
[21:42] responded to Bedi stance by filing a rich petition.
[21:46] They challenged Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, which at
[21:50] the time criminalized homosexual acts, arguing that public health
[21:55] measures like condom distribution should not be
[21:58] obstructed by laws that stigmatized same sex behaviour.
[22:02] OK. This petition was the first
[22:06] legal challenge to Section 377 in India and laid the groundwork
[22:11] for future decriminalization efforts.
[22:14] Oh, the world works. So one lady said no to condoms
[22:20] and we ended up decriminalizing gay sex and gay encounters in
[22:24] India. How the turntables indeed, I
[22:27] love it. So that's it.
[22:29] So Karen Berry apparently said no to distributing condoms in
[22:32] Tihar Jail. Well, the question that I am
[22:35] going to be led to is something to do with the LGBTQ community
[22:39] actually. Oh nice link.
[22:42] And I have to give a disclaimer before I tell you what the
[22:45] question is that in this case it is one of those questions, where
[22:48] are the trivia so fun and so good and so interesting, but I
[22:53] couldn't find a a, a reliable A. Reputable source.
[22:57] A reputable. Source where I could very
[22:59] confidently say that this is the truth.
[23:02] So let's take this with at least a part of the trivia.
[23:06] Take it with a pinch of salt, take it as conjecture, or take
[23:08] it as as urban legend, but the rest of it is very true.
[23:12] OK, disclaimer done. OK.
[23:15] History time or story time or historical story time, whatever.
[23:19] A young Portuguese Princess converted to Christianity as a
[23:24] teenager and took a vow of chastity, believing that she is
[23:29] in a mystical marriage with Jesus.
[23:32] Her father however, ordered her to marry a king who did not
[23:37] believe in Christianity. Was a so-called quote UN quote
[23:39] Pagan king and she pled to God to save her from marriage.
[23:46] Miraculously her prayers were answered.
[23:49] When X supposedly happened, the marriage is called off.
[23:56] Her father was really infuriated and had her crucified for her
[24:01] disobedience. The name of this Princess is St.
[24:06] Wilge Fortis. Wilge Fortis.
[24:09] Wilge Fortis. I'll spell it out.
[24:11] WILGEFORTIS. When I say wilge.
[24:14] Fortis. Let's assume that's how it's
[24:16] pronounced today. She is a folk St. and she's well
[24:21] loved by the LGBTQ community. OK.
[24:25] Her feast day is July the 20th, which is when the miracle from
[24:29] God happened which saved her from a marriage that she did not
[24:33] want to enter. Very fittingly, she is also the
[24:36] patron St. of women who want to get out of abusive situations or
[24:42] are situations where they are committed to being into
[24:45] unwillingly or without their consent, which is I think rather
[24:49] nice a patronage to have as a St. if you were to have one.
[24:53] She's also the patron St. of one other thing.
[24:57] And here the other thing is what I could not verify, but I found
[25:00] maybe a source or two which mentioned it.
[25:04] So what is she the patron St. of apart from women who yearn to be
[25:10] in a situation where they are not held against their will?
[25:13] So can I get a time frame on this?
[25:16] The thing is, there is a lot of art depicting this particular
[25:20] St. There's a lot of artwork from
[25:22] the Renaissance and and perhaps beyond as well.
[25:25] There isn't enough of a historical evidence to her
[25:29] existence. So there is more of artistic
[25:31] evidence. But like as as historical
[25:34] sources go, where there is has to be some text referring to
[25:37] this person. There isn't much of that.
[25:40] So you will need to know what event was it that kind of was
[25:43] seen as a miracle and what she's a patron St. of.
[25:46] Connected obviously in this case.
[25:49] Something happened that led to the Pagan marriage being called
[25:53] off. By the way, sorry, I just found
[25:56] another source which does mention her legend arose in the
[25:59] 14th. Century.
[26:00] Oh, OK. Again, it doesn't say
[26:02] specifically that she was from that era, it just says the
[26:05] legend arose in the 14th century.
[26:07] OK, so it's not Emperor Constantine.
[26:10] I was thinking of him seeing the cross in the sky and then
[26:12] converting to Christianity, and so then suddenly it becomes
[26:15] acceptable or something like that.
[26:16] But no, it's good. No.
[26:17] But Portugal was quite Catholic for the 14th century is if I
[26:21] remember correctly. My my history in this era and
[26:26] that geography is not exactly very, very well informed.
[26:33] But what I do know is that that that this person doesn't have
[26:37] much historicity. There's a lot of art related to
[26:41] her existence, but there isn't too much of historical proof and
[26:44] text about it. No, no.
[26:45] Fair enough. So the legend arose in the 14th
[26:47] century. Maybe the existence was earlier.
[26:52] She was about to be married to a Pagan king.
[26:55] No, don't focus too much on the Pagan king part of it.
[26:58] No, because I'm trying to be geographic.
[27:00] See, I'm trying to work it out geographically if I can figure
[27:03] out where the king was from. No, doesn't doesn't affect the
[27:06] answer. Oh, OK.
[27:08] Doesn't affect the answer. So nothing actually happened to
[27:10] the king himself. No, like I said, once God
[27:13] performed the miracle, the King himself turned down the wedding
[27:18] offer and that is what infuriated the Father.
[27:22] Oh well, that changes it completely. 14th century legend.
[27:31] Assuming it happened maybe like 304 hundred years ago.
[27:36] That was the time of the Holy Roman Empire in those regions,
[27:40] which was again quite Catholic. Because I mentioned this time
[27:44] and time again, the historical era doesn't matter.
[27:47] It doesn't play any role. Yeah.
[27:50] No, I get it. I get it.
[27:51] OK, OK. Just some additional
[27:53] information, doesn't necessarily help you with the answer, but
[27:56] giving a little bit more context to it.
[27:57] Her name is sort of derived from the Latin Virgo Fortis.
[28:01] Virgo Fortis in Portuguese Vilgeforte.
[28:05] Virgo Fortis would be Brazilian version.
[28:08] Courageous version. Exactly.
[28:09] Courageous version. OK.
[28:11] In England her name was uncumbered.
[28:14] Like unencumbered, right? So it comes from somebody who
[28:18] was trying to be trying to avoid no.
[28:20] No, I get it encumbrances. Yeah, I'm trying to avoid
[28:23] encumbrances and that's also it's on Comer with similar
[28:27] reference. In German land she was known as
[28:30] Kumernitz, probably a similar route over there.
[28:33] In Poland she was frasso blois, sorrowful.
[28:37] OK, point being that her legend was popular across Europe and
[28:42] there is art depicting her across Europe as well, or at
[28:46] least across the ages. But none of the geography or the
[28:49] history of it matters. There was a there was some
[28:52] miracle that God performed. And obviously when I say all of
[28:57] those things, this is the people who believe it.
[29:01] Not claiming any of this is historical fact.
[29:05] OK, so let's let me let me just attack this a different way.
[29:09] Her father had her crucified, so assuming he blamed the thing on
[29:13] her. Yes.
[29:14] And you also mentioned something about the LGBTQ community.
[29:17] Exactly. Did he catch her in flagrante
[29:21] delicto with the chambermaid? As legends go, you would not
[29:25] want to tarnish the name of such a devout person.
[29:29] Yeah, a St. And she had taken a vow of
[29:33] celibacy because she was in a whatever, a matrimonial
[29:35] relationship, a heavenly matrimonial relationship with
[29:38] Jesus. Basically, she was a nun.
[29:40] Yeah, so there would not be a question, at least the legends
[29:43] talking about her having a homosexual relationship.
[29:47] OK, no, I need a clue, I need I need an additional clues.
[29:50] So before this episode recording started, I told you I had this
[29:54] question for you and I told you that you would enjoy this
[29:56] question because of a conversation you and I have had
[29:59] recently a few times. We have reference to this thing
[30:03] a few times in the last few recordings.
[30:06] Maybe before or after. The recordings might not be part
[30:08] of the actual video, but you and I have spoken about this.
[30:13] Oh dude, we speak about a lot of things.
[30:16] That is true, we do chat a fabric.
[30:17] That does not narrow it down for me.
[30:19] You want another hint? You want me to tell you why we
[30:21] spoke about it? Yeah, yeah.
[30:23] Random plug. Random plug for our social media
[30:26] go check out. Are you quizzing me on
[30:28] Instagram? And that is in the context that
[30:31] Vinita and I were talking when we were discussing how we have
[30:34] been posting reels recently. And I was definitely not salty
[30:37] about the fact that his salt and pepper look has been just going
[30:42] through the roof with his. Abuse.
[30:44] Absolute nonsense. And Vineet mentioned there is
[30:47] one thing that people might He jokingly said it.
[30:50] But there's one thing that people might be into.
[30:53] Wait, did she develop a beard? She is again nothing verified,
[30:58] but supposedly the patron St. Of facial hair.
[31:03] Of beards. So she was a bearded lady?
[31:06] God bless her with a beard to make her again quote UN quote.
[31:10] No no judgement from my side repulsive so that her
[31:15] prospective husband would not want to then marry her, which is
[31:20] what happened and that pissed off her father.
[31:23] This is why because of this more non binary representation using
[31:27] the nomenclature of 2025. Back then she would have just
[31:31] been called a bearded lady. Like you said the non binary
[31:34] physical representation of of not being a cisgendered person.
[31:37] She is a very popular person amongst the LGBTQ community
[31:41] because she firstly did not want to marry a man and the way she
[31:46] came out of that conundrum was by adopting a look that was not
[31:50] typically feminine and hence unacceptable.
[31:54] Well, very interesting that the patron St. of beards or facial
[31:57] hair, if one exists, is Saint Vigerfortis, who is at least
[32:03] back then was considered a woman.
[32:04] However, we might classify this person now.
[32:07] Nice, nice, unexpected would be the answer.
[32:11] I want to keep this. I had frankly very strange I
[32:16] have to read about this, but because I'm very I'm fascinated
[32:18] to know which era this could be from.
[32:20] Yeah, I'm also, I'm also very curious.
[32:23] Yeah, great question. Moving on from that, I have no
[32:29] segue because it's a straightforward GK kind of
[32:31] question. There have been seven parent
[32:34] child combinations who have won Nobel Prizes.
[32:38] At least five husband wife combinations have shared Nobel
[32:41] Prizes and many more have won separately.
[32:44] OK. However, there has only been 1
[32:49] recorded uncle nephew combination.
[32:54] So I wanted to identify the uncle, nephew combination.
[32:57] Did they jointly win it or did they win it separately?
[32:59] They won it separately. Uncle, nephew, combination.
[33:03] I don't think you mentioned the field, but I'm assuming some
[33:05] science based Nobel Prize. I will give you the field.
[33:09] The field is physics. Field of physics and do you
[33:13] think I would have heard of both of these people?
[33:15] Oh, definitely. That's a strong guess, yeah.
[33:20] You are either overestimating my knowledge or I am completely
[33:23] blanking on any possible answers right now because I have no
[33:26] clue. One of at least the nephew of
[33:30] this combination. Recently I came to know that
[33:35] Elon Musk has named one of his children after this nephew.
[33:41] Oh, XA or 12? Of course, that password name.
[33:47] I that's not AEU, It's Ash. It's Ash, my boy, it's Ash.
[33:52] Because I have no problem in this scenario no.
[33:54] No, it's, it's, it's, it's not that particular sun.
[33:57] It's not that particular. Sun.
[33:59] That also doesn't help because Mr. Musk has quite a few
[34:03] progenies. Yeah, that's a polite way to put
[34:08] it. No, yeah, that doesn't really
[34:10] help. Again, don't keep track of the
[34:13] Elon Musk family tree. Let me just narrow the field
[34:17] down considerably. One of the reasons that Musk's
[34:22] child's middle name it's not his first or last name, his middle
[34:25] name is named after this physicist is because the lady
[34:29] with whom Musk has had this child is half Indian.
[34:33] Oh, so this is an Indian scientist?
[34:42] Oh I forget, we are now. We also still do audio so maybe.
[34:51] Interesting, because it's Indians, I'm inclined to say
[34:58] this could be Jagdish Chandra, but Jagdish Chandra Bose won't
[35:02] get a Nobel Prize of Physics. No, OK, There have been, I
[35:06] think, only two scientists, Nobel laureates in physics for
[35:09] India. Yeah, I mean, I was thinking of
[35:11] the guy was the it's embarrassing the Bose Einstein
[35:15] condensate guy. No, not him.
[35:18] No. Did he win the Nobel Prize?
[35:19] Not sure, I don't think so. Satyendranath Bose.
[35:22] Satyendranath Bose. Yes.
[35:23] Is the Bose in question of Bose Einstein condensate and hmm, but
[35:30] you're saying it's not? An additional clue is that both
[35:34] these people have eponymous effect in terms in physics.
[35:38] So the first the uncle has an eponymous effect and the nephew
[35:45] has an eponymous limit. Chandrashekar limit very good.
[35:49] So it is Chandrashekhar. 1 is Supraman Chandrashekhar.
[35:52] If I remember correctly, has to do with the the.
[35:55] Size the mass of sun. ** Collapsing into a black hole
[35:59] above the Chandrashekhar. Limit.
[36:01] So basically the minimum the minimum mass that a star would
[36:03] should have so that it would become a black hole.
[36:06] Is it Chandrashekhar limit? Did you say effect?
[36:10] Yes, the uncle has an effect named after him.
[36:14] Indian named effect. You're going to kick yourself.
[36:17] I will. I will.
[36:18] Definitely going to kick yourself.
[36:21] What effect? Can you describe the effect?
[36:25] It's in the field of optics, let's put it that way.
[36:29] No, you know what? I'll give you his first name.
[36:32] You can just tell me the rest of it, please.
[36:34] Chandrasekhara. Chandrashekhar optics effect.
[36:44] What effect? For light scattering
[36:47] specifically. Ramen effect?
[36:49] Oh my God that is so stupid. OK.
[36:54] CV Ramen, yes. Yes, so it is CV Ramen
[36:56] Chandrashekhar Venkataraman. But I do not know this.
[36:59] So for our audience, CV Ramen Chandrashekhar, Venkata Ramen
[37:03] and Subramanian Chandrashekhar are the only Nobel Laureates who
[37:06] are an uncle, nephew duo. CV Ramen was awarded the Nobel
[37:09] Prize in Physics in 1930 for his discovery of the ramen effect in
[37:13] light scattering. His nephew, Subramanian
[37:16] Chandrashekhar received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1983
[37:19] for his theoretical work on the physical processes important to
[37:22] the structure and evolution of stars, including the
[37:24] Chandrashekhar limit concerning white dwarfs.
[37:27] Both belong to the same distinguished family and made
[37:30] ground breaking contributions in the field of physics, albeit in
[37:32] different specializations. Very cool.
[37:35] OK, interesting. I like that.
[37:37] This unique family relationship is basically unique in the
[37:41] annals of Nobel Prizes because you have multiple father, child
[37:45] and husband wife combinations and you know this is the only
[37:50] uncle nephew combination and they're both Indian.
[37:53] OK, so I'm going to ask a listener question as we always
[37:58] do. We welcome listener questions.
[38:00] And in this case, we are catching up, always playing
[38:04] catch up with questions that people have sent a while ago.
[38:06] So this was sent to us in September.
[38:08] My apologies to Aditya Ravindran and Aditya has sent a very sweet
[38:12] e-mail. He has addressed both of us, but
[38:14] the questions are for me to ask you.
[38:16] Nice. He's given me two questions.
[38:18] I'm going to ask you one of them, but before I get into the
[38:21] question, just a quick shout out to Aditya because he was very
[38:23] sweet. He mentioned about how he's
[38:25] been, you know, binging on the episodes and now he has to wait
[38:28] a week for the next episode. And that's a little annoying.
[38:32] But hey Aditya, if we could make more episodes a week, we would
[38:37] do it. Yeah.
[38:39] Really, really work hard to getting one episode out every
[38:41] week. So thank you for listening and
[38:43] very, very grateful to have regular listeners like you and I
[38:46] hope you continue enjoying it. He has wished us to go on 2000
[38:49] episodes. So wow Vineet, it looks like you
[38:52] and I will continue doing this for the foreseeable future.
[38:56] At least 20 years. Apparently, apparently.
[38:59] OK, coming back to the question that Aditya has sent, and he had
[39:02] sent me two, I'm going to ask you the one that he thinks
[39:05] you'll love, OK? I'm going to give you a year and
[39:09] I'm going to give you a number. Tell me what the context is, OK?
[39:13] Is it like every person named Aditya has fascinations for
[39:17] lists and years and numbers? What is this?
[39:19] In Aditya's defence, Aditya sent a question which did not have a
[39:24] list in it. I modified it because I think
[39:27] the list version will be more fun.
[39:28] Ah, so it's just me. I love lists, OK?
[39:31] Makes sense? This is a four item list.
[39:35] The first one is 19891199141999 5 and 2008.
[39:46] Six. That's it.
[39:48] And I'm supposed to figure out what from that exactly?
[39:52] Exhaustive list. Tell me what is the list of?
[39:56] OK, give me, give it to me again. 198911991419995 and 2008
[40:05] six this. Got anything to do with economic
[40:10] downturns? 2008 was the housing crisis.
[40:14] 8889 there was another Wall Street Crash 91 was when India
[40:19] faced a lot of I don't know, but it doesn't make sense.
[40:22] The numbers don't know. I don't know, I'm just
[40:23] pitfalling it. I don't think that's the answer.
[40:26] And it would not be just four of these years because there have
[40:28] been other, obviously other scenarios.
[40:32] Something wrong with movies? Nothing at all to do with the
[40:35] world of entertainment. Wow, I'm I'm going to need some
[40:38] kind of a clue here. This is a little too random for
[40:41] me. Sociopolitical spaces where I
[40:44] would encourage you to ponder upon.
[40:49] And this is an exhaustive list, so nothing prior to 1989.
[40:54] Let's say this has been a period of change.
[41:00] So 1989 to 2008 has been the, in a modern context, a period of
[41:04] change. OK, the birth and death of
[41:08] Hammer Pants. For our listeners who are not
[41:14] our viewers, I am wearing hammer pants and Vineet has been
[41:19] obsessed with my with my harem pants.
[41:22] Hammer MC Hammer pants. They're very much kicking in.
[41:27] Alive in 2025. Represent OK.
[41:30] No, no, not the social political commentary that you need to
[41:33] worry about. OK, OK, OK.
[41:38] What has happened in this period from 1989 to 2008?
[41:42] Let's go through the number again, 1989 one. 1991419995 2008
[41:49] 6. Is this I've got something to?
[41:52] Do with Russia you are hot, hot, hot hot.
[41:57] Is it like coups or because there were like multiple coup
[42:01] attempts and things back-to-back because Gorbachev was deposed by
[42:06] a coup and then there was Yeltsin, who was also there were
[42:10] coup attempts against Yeltsin. I don't think 2008 had any coup.
[42:13] I think 2008 was already Putin, right?
[42:15] OK. I think it was Putin as
[42:17] president or Putin as Prime Minister, one of those two
[42:19] things. Putin's either Prime Minister or
[42:20] president in medal. There's also by the Prime
[42:22] Minister, president. It's always the two of them.
[42:24] It's like a jugal bandi between the two of them.
[42:28] So it is Russia related you're saying not?
[42:31] At least I'm close. Very close.
[42:33] Quite literally very close. OK, so then country neighboring
[42:38] Russia? Exactly.
[42:39] Country neighboring Russia 198919991992 and 2008 Something
[42:49] wrong with Ukraine? No, no, again, very close.
[42:54] Something wrong with the Sarajevo conflict?
[42:58] No, but you're very, very close. I don't know what to keep saying
[43:04] close. Dude do you have to give me some
[43:06] kind of context or clue here because I'm just going off
[43:08] numbers and just nobody called it data mining my brain for
[43:12] historical events from the time. Speaking of the first year in
[43:15] this list, 19891990, whatever, and you mentioned Russia, which
[43:20] I said you were hot, hot, hot clothes, what is that year and
[43:25] that country, What does that make you think of?
[43:29] The Berlin Wall. But in the larger context.
[43:32] The dissolution of the USSR. Think along those lines, but not
[43:35] about the USSR specific somewhere nearby so.
[43:39] What do these numbers represent? 126 in all.
[43:43] So if it was USSR, it would have been one and then whatever
[43:50] however many things USSR broke into.
[43:53] The Soviet republics. So to put into other words,
[43:57] which entity broke up into 4 by 1991 into 5 by 1999 into 6 by
[44:04] 2008? Yugoslavia.
[44:06] Yugoslavia is the answer I was looking for.
[44:09] Well done. I was literally going to say
[44:12] Yugoslavia a few minutes ago. Then I was like, what does that
[44:14] have to do? Because I'm thinking of these as
[44:16] discrete numbers. OK, OK, got it, got it, got it.
[44:20] So. This was a question that was
[44:21] sent by Aditya. Had to modify it because his
[44:23] question was quite straightforward.
[44:25] He literally asked me and Vineet would love this.
[44:27] Apparently, in his words, the question was what countries did
[44:31] US Slavia split into? Oh, he wanted me to list them.
[44:33] Oh, that would have been that. That would have been tough
[44:35] because I always forget. And in any case, I would not, I
[44:38] would not put you through that. But Slovenia, Croatia, N
[44:40] Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Serbia
[44:43] and Kosovo, right? Yeah.
[44:45] So these are the countries that broke into.
[44:47] The reason that I thought was interesting was because all the
[44:49] way to 2008. It kept splitting.
[44:51] It was still. Technically splitting because
[44:53] Kosovo. Was that that recent 1989?
[44:56] Nine. It was still 1 country in
[44:58] Yugoslavia by 1991. It was split into 4/19/99.
[45:02] We had a fifth one where Yugoslavia had become much
[45:05] smaller entity, and then that's split up into Serbia and Bosnia
[45:09] and Herzegovina. And then finally we had Kosovo
[45:13] also breaking off from Serbia. Good question.
[45:16] Thank God you don't. I mean, like, no offense, but
[45:19] Aditya, but not you, Aditya, the other Aditya, the one who sent
[45:22] the question, Aditya, no offence, Aditya.
[45:24] From the listen, you know, the listening pool.
[45:27] But that would have been a little torturous for me because
[45:29] I do. I would probably have gotten
[45:31] stuck halfway through if you'd asked me to list.
[45:33] In Yugoslavian nations, it's always very confusing.
[45:37] They keep splitting and then changing their minds.
[45:39] And I don't know why they'd keep in there, but sure.
[45:41] The other question that he sent was the one that he thought you
[45:43] would not be able to answer, and I have refrained from asking you
[45:46] because it's a question I also would not be able to answer if
[45:48] somebody asked. I will not ask.
[45:50] No, I mean like just for the fun of it, let's.
[45:52] Look, it has a cricketing trivia question.
[45:54] Oh dude, no. You know what, I'm just putting
[45:56] it out there. Yeah, I'm just putting it out
[45:58] there and this is a question I'm not even going to answer.
[46:00] If somebody listens to a podcast and is interested, go, go, you
[46:03] know what, to go to a Reddit page.
[46:04] We haven't had people go to a Reddit page in a while.
[46:07] Go answer it over there and share more cricket related
[46:09] trivia. Both Vineet and I would love to
[46:11] be educated. The question was, and this
[46:12] thanks to Aditya question was there have been 13 men's 50 over
[46:16] Cricket World Cup since its inception in 1970.
[46:18] Five 1975 798387929699 2003 711151923 Yeah.
[46:26] So in between it had shifted to even numbers and it came back to
[46:29] odd. Yeah.
[46:30] Now this question has to do with a specific record that has been
[46:34] consistent across all of them. And it happened in all the World
[46:37] Cups except in 1992. So what stood out in 1992, or
[46:42] rather, was conspicuous by its absence to at least a cricketing
[46:46] trivia nerd and Vineet. You know what this one is for
[46:50] you to figure out later? It's a very hardcore cricket
[46:53] trivia question, so. So just putting it out there for
[46:55] trivia nodes in cricket. If that record was broken in
[46:58] every World Cup except for 1992. Let's phrase it this way.
[47:03] Something happened in every single World Cup except for the
[47:05] 1992 World Cup. A cricketing thing happened.
[47:08] A cricket Game Match related thing happened in every World
[47:12] Cup except 1992. OK, 1992 was the other Pakistan
[47:18] one, right? I mean, there are a lot of
[47:20] firsts in that Pakistan was the first time in that was the first
[47:24] time. I think there was colored
[47:25] clothing in the World Cup as well.
[47:26] There were a few firsts in that I think first time and he's
[47:30] mentioned first time day and night matches also happened.
[47:32] But this has to do with a very hardcore, again, not asking you
[47:35] questions just because it's so hardcore cricket trivia.
[47:38] I know you won't be able to answer it.
[47:39] No chance I would have been able to answer it.
[47:41] So leaving it out to the world, to the universe, to any regular
[47:45] listener of Are you quizzing me? I'm curious now.
[47:49] See, you can't just put out a question and not expect me to
[47:51] try, you know, try and kiss me. Live with the curiosity when you
[47:54] live with the curiosity. Thank you, Aditya, for sending
[48:01] in the question. Not you, Aditya, the listener.
[48:03] Aditya. So moving on from that is a
[48:08] small nugget from the heartland of India.
[48:12] This is a question you can easily guess, so I'm hoping you
[48:15] will. Hidden in the forest of central
[48:18] India lies a district sharing its name with an Asian nation.
[48:25] Carved out in 1998 from a larger district, It's headquarters is
[48:29] by Kuntpur, home to tribal communities and coal mine with
[48:33] the real head scratcher. It's official government website
[48:37] uses the exact same spelling as the country, leading visitors to
[48:41] double take. What's the name of the
[48:44] surprisingly named Indian district?
[48:47] Wait, sorry, what country? India.
[48:49] Country of India. So there is a district in
[48:53] central India which shares the name as a Asian nation.
[48:58] Oh, you didn't say which Asian. OK.
[49:00] No, I have not mentioned which Asian.
[49:02] And my question is, which Asian nation is it?
[49:05] That's a fun question. Because the official government
[49:09] website of this case isthecountrysname.gov dot in.
[49:16] That's very confusing. Yes.
[49:18] Yeah. What would sound like an Indian
[49:20] village, an Asian. Asian.
[49:23] So I'm going to write off the bad discount Middle Eastern
[49:28] towns like I'm feeling nobody's naming a village of Afghanistan.
[49:33] No, no, no. I'm inclined to say it's
[49:38] Southeast Asia, Myanmar, Cambodia.
[49:45] OK, so there have been recent, at least on social media,
[49:49] speculation that certain legends about the connection of India
[49:55] with this country may be true because a lot of words in their
[50:00] native tongue have a lot of similarities with similar words
[50:04] with the same meaning in Tamil. Sanskrit connection.
[50:09] Legend has it, even though it's Tamil, the legend has it that
[50:13] there was a Princess from your part of the country who dreamed
[50:18] of marrying somebody from there or something like that.
[50:21] And she ended up being one of the Queens which founded their
[50:27] dynasty for which ruled the country for a long time or
[50:30] something like that. I don't quote me on this, but
[50:32] yeah, there is a there is a legend there somewhere that
[50:34] there was an Indian Princess specifically from one Kingdom.
[50:39] Again, I mean, the there are so many possibilities, but I'm just
[50:42] thinking like korea.gov dot in Korea is a village.
[50:46] I don't know, it just doesn't make sense.
[50:48] It does. It's Korea.
[50:50] That was that was a pure guess. I was not meaning that as well.
[50:56] What are you saying there? Is there is a Korea village in
[51:00] India? Yes.
[51:02] So there is a village called Korea, so the Korea district
[51:05] also spelled as KORIY. A That's funny.
[51:08] It's a real administrative region in Chhattisgarh, created
[51:10] on March 25th, 1998 by splitting it from Surgooja district,
[51:16] covering 5000 odd square kilometers in northern
[51:19] Chhattisgarh. It is rich in forests, rivers
[51:22] and minerals with by Kundapur as its headquarters.
[51:26] Around 40% of the population belong to Scheduled Tribes.
[51:29] The name Korea derives from a local princely state, and it's
[51:33] unrelated to the Korean Peninsula, which is just pure
[51:35] coincidence, its officialsiteiskorea.gov dot.
[51:40] In, but is it spelled the same? So the website is spelled as
[51:43] KORE a.gov dot in. So this has sparked endless
[51:48] amusement and confusion online. Multiple viral Reddit posts have
[51:52] come across it. However, no historical ties
[51:54] exist. It's just linguistic
[51:56] happenstance. Technically, we have South
[51:59] Korea. Seoul is the capital of Middle
[52:02] Korea. So there is there is a legend,
[52:08] the legend I was referring to. This is a legend of a Princess
[52:11] by the name of Suri Ratna. The Korean name is apparently
[52:16] Queen Kyu Huang. OK.
[52:17] Wow. From Ayodhya, who is set to sail
[52:20] to Korea in my 4880 to marry King Kim Suro of the ancient
[52:25] Gaia Confederacy, the story is considered the basis for a
[52:28] prominent Korean lineage. Can you guess which lineage?
[52:32] Didn't you just say the last name of?
[52:34] I already forgot the last name. Yeah, so the Kim dynasty.
[52:38] Oh wow, isn't that one of the most famous dynasties?
[52:42] Yeah, it is. It is.
[52:43] It is. This is not related to the the
[52:46] the dictators right? No, no, no.
[52:48] Kim is a very common name in Korea.
[52:50] I know, I know, but just checking OK.
[52:51] Yes, yeah. So this the story is considered
[52:54] the basis for a prominent Korean lineage, the King Kim dynasty,
[52:57] and it's commemorated in Ayodhya with a Memorial Park called Rani
[53:01] Ho Park. Cute, Nice.
[53:04] I like. That and I also find it quite
[53:05] interesting that Park is also a very common surname in Korea.
[53:11] That is true. There is this connection and
[53:13] there have been, I think, multiple videos where people
[53:16] have noted that there are so many words in Tamil, which, if
[53:20] you said it in Korean, also mean the same thing.
[53:23] Oh. So there's a actual website of a
[53:26] district in India called korea.gov dot in which can be
[53:29] very, very confusing to some people.
[53:31] And that's all the time we have for our regular round of
[53:34] quizzing. Leading me back to our audience
[53:37] question which was which Bollywood actor started as a
[53:40] copywriter in advertising films like Ogreve and Mathers and J
[53:45] Walter Thompson and is also Sonam Kapoor's second cousin?
[53:50] A bit of Bollywood trivia. Aditya, do you have any idea who
[53:53] I'm talking about? A couple of names come to mind
[53:57] because of the copywriting thing, but Sonam Kapoor part, I
[54:01] have no idea. Sonam Kapoor's second cousin.
[54:03] If I'm not wrong, even Ranveer Singh did that for a while.
[54:07] It is Ranveer Singh. Yes, it is Ranveer Singh.
[54:10] OK, interesting. Interesting.
[54:12] He's the second cousin of Sonam Kapoor.
[54:14] OK. Yes.
[54:15] So there are family tree write ups which describe Ranveer Singh
[54:18] and Sonam Kapoor as second cousins, explaining their
[54:21] parents are first cousins. I would assume that's what
[54:25] second cousins would mean. Yes, we got that.
[54:28] Cool, cool, cool. So are there any popular
[54:30] recommendations this week? Just my God, how does Vince
[54:35] Gilligan come up with the Bangor after Bangor after Bangor?
[54:40] OK, I have wax eloquent about how much I loved Breaking Bad.
[54:45] I kept hearing about it. I kept hearing about it, and
[54:47] then by the final season, just before it was about to come out,
[54:49] I was like, you know what? I need to catch up and I binge
[54:51] final season. I watched it.
[54:53] Totally worth it because final season of Breaking Bad is one of
[54:55] the greatest final seasons of any show ever.
[54:59] OK. After that, I had to watch
[55:01] Better Call Saul. Kept up with it every single
[55:03] season and a slow meditation on character.
[55:07] What Vince Gilligan did was he took everything about Breaking
[55:10] Bad that people complained in parts.
[55:12] It was a little slow. And he's like, you know what?
[55:13] I'm going to do more of that. And that's what Better Call Saul
[55:17] is. And he does it so well.
[55:19] He does it so well because he takes out all of that, you know,
[55:22] explosive, quite literally and metaphorically, things that
[55:25] happened in Breaking Bad. None of it happens in Better
[55:27] Call Saul. It is such a slow show and so
[55:30] good because of it. Pluribus, Pluribus.
[55:33] Pluribus. I'm not sure how to pronounce
[55:34] it. Pluribus.
[55:35] Yeah, Pluribus is a show. And this is, I don't know if I
[55:40] completely agree with the description that you find online
[55:44] because a lot of it says that it is a drama, thriller, science
[55:49] fiction. I think it was very
[55:51] straightforward science fiction, of course, but like some black
[55:54] comedy, I think there are moments that I'm like I almost
[55:57] want to laugh out loud. There is there is that aspect
[56:00] again, very different from either Better Call Saul and
[56:03] Breaking Bad, which had it's funny moments would never felt
[56:05] like a comedy to me. This feels like a comedy to me.
[56:08] But no description online uses that word.
[56:10] So take that as my opinion on the piece of work, regardless of
[56:14] what the genre is. Great.
[56:16] Great work by Vince Gilligan. The first two, everybody will
[56:19] recommend Pluribus. It's new, Probably everybody
[56:22] will recommend it soon enough. But here, you heard it here
[56:24] first. Great recommendation.
[56:26] I'm also a big fan of Prince Gilligan.
[56:29] My recommendation, again, linking back to the audience
[56:32] question, is that while we're recording this, I just got back
[56:35] from seeing Durander in theaters.
[56:39] It's the first day of release, and I really, really enjoyed the
[56:44] movie. All 3 1/2 hours of it, 210
[56:47] minutes. You also saw a web series?
[56:48] Basically, yeah. It it was it was something I I
[56:52] remember. Thinking during that this might
[56:54] have been it might have played better as a web series, but I
[56:58] did enjoy the theatre experience of it.
[57:01] It doesn't shy away from. Showing violence, but.
[57:04] Most of it is based on real events and real violence that
[57:07] actually happened in the real world.
[57:09] So I think there is a certain amount of justification in
[57:12] showing it and nothing is glorified.
[57:13] It's, you know, just pointing a lens at it and you know, letting
[57:16] you just take it in and it's an integral part of the story.
[57:19] And I really, really enjoyed it. It seemed to me like an
[57:24] espionage version of Gangs of Wasseypur.
[57:27] It's it's epic in it's scope. I we definitely recommend
[57:30] watching it. It's a it's a great movie.
[57:33] Please support good movies when they come out.
[57:35] And Aditya Dhar is a master. So again, Uri, if you haven't
[57:38] seen Uri, please watch Uri. Solid recommendation.
[57:41] Solid recommendation. And that's all the time we have
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