# Episode 104 - Wilder, Skinner & Fuller

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 2 Jun 2025, 1 h 00 min.

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Do you know which now-common proverb was first used in the obituary for the actor Marshall Pinckney Wilder? Do you know what award was posthumously given to psychologist and inventor B. F. Skinner for his study on housing live pigeons inside missiles to guide them to their targets? Do you know which popular phrase, according to historian Thomas Fuller, was first used by the poet Edmund Spenser when he did not get the money he was promised by Queen Elizabeth I? (Also another piece of trivia related to "Fuller", check out the episode for that) Tune in to find out!! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/areyouquizzingme Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@areyouquizzingme/podcasts

## Transcript

[0:00] Welcome to Are you quizzing me? I am Vineet Nair with my Co host
[0:04] Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia
[0:07] podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into
[0:10] history, science, pop culture and so much more.
[0:14] Let's get quizzing. And we're back for episode #104
[0:21] of Are You Quizzing Me? Your favorite quizzing and
[0:24] trivia podcast show. Stay tuned for an episode that
[0:28] is chock full of trivia. And so let's not waste any time
[0:31] and let me start with the audience question.
[0:33] For those who came in late, the audience question is one that I
[0:35] asked at the beginning of the episode and the answer to which
[0:38] I reveal at the end. Hopefully you or dear audience
[0:41] can guess or find out the answer.
[0:43] In the meantime, it's a very straightforward question, a
[0:46] little topical for today's climate.
[0:48] Which is the largest crude oil producer in the world.
[0:52] Let me repeat that question, which is the largest crude oil
[0:55] producer in the world? I will answer this question at
[0:58] the end of today's episode. Let's start off the rest of our
[1:02] quizzing with Aditya. Aditya, kick off today's
[1:06] episodes with your question, please.
[1:09] All right, so because it is the first question, I'm going to be
[1:12] taking a little bit of a liberty in how long winded it might
[1:16] seem, but it has an interesting outcome nonetheless, OK.
[1:20] And this particular story starts with a gentleman by the name of
[1:25] Marshall Pinckney Wilder. Are you familiar with the name
[1:30] or the person by any chance? No, no.
[1:33] So Marshall Pinckney Wilder was an American actor, monologist,
[1:39] humorist and sketch artist, and he lived from 1859 and passed
[1:45] away in 1915. We are talking about the turn of
[1:48] the 20th century now. This particular gentleman, just
[1:53] unnecessary background, interesting information.
[1:56] He was also the grandson of a man by the same name, Marshall
[2:00] Wilder, who was an amateur pomologist and floriculturist.
[2:05] And the reason I found this interesting was I've never heard
[2:07] the pomologist before. Tomato.
[2:11] Tomato. Something to do with tomatoes?
[2:13] Is a branch of botany that studies fruits and their
[2:15] cultivation. Oh, OK.
[2:16] Well, tomato is a fruit, so we have an affair.
[2:19] Yeah, now, because I think of pomodoro, you know, pomodoro in
[2:22] Italian as tomato. Ah, OK, OK, OK.
[2:24] I think in pomelo. Ah, OK, fair enough.
[2:28] Pomologist and a floriculturist who helped found the Boston
[2:31] Horticultural Society, which claims to be the oldest
[2:33] Horticultural Society in the US, and American Pomological
[2:37] Society, which is the oldest society dedicated to fruits and
[2:41] sell you the fruits in America. OK.
[2:42] So anyways, that is just very unnecessary side information
[2:45] about this man's grandfather who went by the same name.
[2:48] Coming back to Marshall Wilder, who was the human sketch artist
[2:51] and actor, he had two physical conditions.
[2:55] One of them was dwarfism and the other was sky forces.
[2:59] I'm assuming you know both of these.
[3:00] Dwarfism obviously is related to height, and kyphos is a spinal
[3:04] disorder, as in there's a physical deformity to the spine.
[3:07] Right. Always very impressive when you
[3:10] describe everything that can go wrong with the human body
[3:12] potentially, but yes, it is. It is that, and just by the way,
[3:19] is is the hunchback of Notre Dame?
[3:21] Is that what it is? Is it kyphosis?
[3:24] Yes, yeah. So the hunchback I think
[3:26] technically had kyphoscoliosis. The scoliosis is when your spine
[3:30] curves like an S in one plane. It's parallel to the kind of
[3:33] plane of your body. And kyphosis is when you kind of
[3:36] hunch over as well. So if you have curved spine
[3:38] which is also hunched, you call it kyphoscoliosis.
[3:40] Otherwise, if it's just one of those, it's either scoliosis or
[3:43] kyphosis. Right.
[3:45] OK, well thank you for that additional trivia.
[3:48] So this particular man had these two disabilities, physical
[3:51] disabilities, dwarfism and chi forces.
[3:53] Despite his physical disabilities, he still made a
[3:56] pretty decent living in lifestyle for himself.
[3:59] And an example of that is how he shunned offers by showmen like
[4:02] PT Barnum to instead become an established legitimate stage
[4:05] actor and sketch artist. He appeared in motion pictures
[4:08] in 1897, starting from 1897 or all the way to 1913.
[4:12] First motion picture, he received $600.00.
[4:14] OK, a lot of information told you about his life, how he
[4:17] made-up great life for himself despite some setbacks to begin
[4:20] with. Now this man, when he passed
[4:23] away, there was an obituary that was written for him in 1915.
[4:28] The writer of this obituary, Albert Hubbard, he wrote it and
[4:32] titled it The King of Jesters. He praised Wilder's optimistic
[4:36] attitude and achievements in the face of his disabilities.
[4:40] And this is where we finally get to the question.
[4:42] The final part which the trivia is, I told you all about his
[4:46] life. I told you what happened in his
[4:48] obituary. What was the tone of the
[4:50] obituary? This particular obituary is one
[4:52] of the first occurrences of a certain phrase of certain
[4:55] proverb that has become very commonplace.
[4:57] Now, what proverb was this that is first used in the obituary
[5:02] for Marshall Pinckney Wilder? I'm tempted to say something,
[5:07] but I don't know if it will be politically correct to do so.
[5:11] So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna bypass that completely.
[5:13] No, right? I'll just give you my what I
[5:15] think may be the answer. Is it good things come in small
[5:19] packages? Oh, OK, that's that's a nice
[5:22] wholesome way to look at it as well.
[5:23] But no, it's not. OK, A.
[5:25] Little bit more generic than the fact that he suffered from
[5:28] dwarfism, just the fact that he had difficulties and
[5:31] disabilities in his life and still managed to make a great
[5:33] life out of it. Every cloud has a silver lining.
[5:38] Sure. No, but something, something to
[5:40] do with how sometimes even when you're dealt a bad hand, you can
[5:44] still, oh. OK, when life gives you lemons,
[5:47] make lemonade. Hey, perfect.
[5:50] That is what it was about. Yeah.
[5:51] Oh, nice. He was a walking reputation of
[5:54] the dogmatic statement men's sana incorporate sana.
[5:58] This is the I'm reading the obituary, which by the way, that
[6:01] phrase in Latin means a healthy mind and a healthy body.
[6:03] So Albert Hubbard in the obituary writes he was a walking
[6:06] refutation of the dogmatic statement Mansana incorporate
[6:09] Sano. His was a sound mind in an
[6:12] unsound body. He proved the eternal paradox of
[6:15] things. He cashed in on his
[6:16] disabilities. He picked up the lemons that
[6:18] fate had sent him and started a lemonade stand.
[6:20] Oh nice. And that is one of the first
[6:22] occurrences of the phrase. When life gives you lemons, make
[6:25] lemonade. Oh.
[6:27] Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. Absolutely brilliant question.
[6:30] A little dark that I've used that phrase quite often and I
[6:33] find it a little dark that first appeared in an obituary, but
[6:36] nevertheless a cracker of a question.
[6:38] I really like that one. But also about somebody who was
[6:41] pretty impressive and and. Yeah, it is pretty impressive.
[6:43] It seemed to have made a great life for himself.
[6:46] That's a great question. My first question for today's
[6:48] episode has absolutely nothing to do with your question, except
[6:52] for the fact that. The question structure may be
[6:55] considered somewhat the same. OK.
[6:57] Listen carefully. The Battle of Vienna took place
[7:00] at Carlenburg Mountain near Vienna on 12th of September
[7:04] 1683, after the city had been besieged by the Roman Ottoman
[7:09] Empire for two months. The battle was fought by the
[7:12] Holy Roman Empire, led by the Habsburg Monarchy and the Polish
[7:16] Lithuanian Commonwealth, both under the command of King John
[7:20] the Third Sobieski, against the Ottomans and their vassal and
[7:23] tributary states. The battle marked the first time
[7:26] the Commonwealth and the Holy Roman Empire had cooperated
[7:29] militarily against the Ottomans. The defeat was a turning point
[7:33] for the Ottoman expansion into Europe, after which they would
[7:36] gain no further ground. In the ensuing war that lasted
[7:40] until 1699, the Ottomans would cede most of the Ottoman hungry
[7:45] areas to Leopold, the first Holy Roman Emperor.
[7:49] The battle is noted for including the largest known
[7:51] cavalry charge in history. Some 300 odd years later.
[7:57] The run up to the battle or the battle itself was purportedly
[8:00] responsible for the scheduling of a major event.
[8:04] Which, because the timeline obviously plays a big role.
[8:09] I'm just going to clarify the battle wasn't 16, what, 1683 and
[8:14] 300 years later it played a big role. 300 odd years later, don't
[8:19] look at the exact number, it will be 300 and change.
[8:22] Got it. So 1980s, Nineteen Nineties,
[8:24] 1970s, something like that. That battle played a role in a
[8:28] scheduling thing that happened in the 1900s.
[8:31] Yeah, I'm the 21st century 20. 1st century.
[8:34] OK, OK. OK.
[8:35] Got it. Fine, so there's something that
[8:37] was due to happen and they decided when to do it based on
[8:44] this battle. Can you repeat that last
[8:46] statement again the the basis of the?
[8:49] I'm just trying to figure out from the structure of the
[8:52] question. So I'll just put you the more
[8:54] important point. The defeat in the Battle of
[8:56] Vienna was a turning point for the Ottoman expansion into
[8:59] Europe, after which they would gain no further ground.
[9:03] In the ensuing war that lasted till 1699, the Ottomans would
[9:08] cede most of Ottoman Hungary to Leopold the First, a Holy Roman
[9:12] Emperor. The battle is noted for
[9:15] including the largest known cavalry charge in history and
[9:18] 300 odd years later or 300 plus change odd years later.
[9:22] The battle was purportedly responsible for the scheduling
[9:26] of a major event. Battle was responsible for the
[9:31] scheduling of a major event. Yeah, let me just say that when
[9:35] I say major event may not be the right words to use, but at the
[9:40] same time it's not wrong either. OK, because whenever somebody
[9:43] says scheduling major event in trivia, my first instinct is a
[9:47] sporting event, a World Cup or a Olympic Games.
[9:53] But I don't know how that would be related to this battle.
[9:59] I'm also thinking something along the lines of because
[10:01] Europe and Ottoman Empire. So maybe what is considered the
[10:05] boundary of Europe and going back to the sporting thing, like
[10:09] sometimes you do it. Oh, it could also be elections
[10:14] of I'm just really shooting in the dark.
[10:18] Spitballing here, but. Secretary General is because
[10:21] they try to do in different continents.
[10:22] So which part of is considered Europe?
[10:24] Which part is considered Asia? Maybe that affected choosing the
[10:29] next Secretary General, though I have no idea.
[10:32] Who was Secretary General at the turn of the 21st century?
[10:38] Wow, this is Yeah. OK, I'll need some clue and
[10:41] maybe need some guidance here. So there is no, there is no clue
[10:44] I can give you without giving you the answer.
[10:47] So what I'm going to do again is I'm going to tell you the entire
[10:50] question once more. OK, Is that that's that's a
[10:56] clue, I guess. Yeah, maybe.
[10:59] God knows. The Battle of Vienna took place
[11:02] at Carlenburg Mountain near Vienna on 12th September 1683,
[11:06] after the city had been besieged by the Ottoman Empire for two
[11:09] months. The battle was fought by the
[11:11] Holy Roman Empire, led by the Habsburg Monarchy and the Polish
[11:15] Lithuanian Commonwealth, both under the command of King John
[11:20] the Third Sobieski, against the Ottomans and their vassal and
[11:24] tributary states. The battle masked the first time
[11:27] the Commonwealth and the home and lowly Roman Empire had
[11:29] cooperated militarily against the Ottomans and the defeat was
[11:32] a turning point for Ottoman expansion into Europe, after
[11:36] which they would gain no further ground.
[11:38] In the ensuing war that lasted till 1699, the Ottomans would
[11:42] cede most of Ottoman Hungary to Leopold, the first Holy Roman
[11:46] Empire. The battle was purportedly
[11:49] responsible for the scheduling of which major event some 300
[11:53] plus years later. Interesting scheduling is what
[11:56] is throwing me off because now when you said this and it was
[11:59] the first time that the Holy Roman Empire was.
[12:02] I'll give you one clue by changing one word in the
[12:04] question. OK. 300 odd years later, the
[12:08] battle was purportedly responsible for the planning of
[12:12] which major event OK of a major event.
[12:15] OK. Since they're scheduling
[12:17] planning perhaps might lead me to the answer that I was headed
[12:20] towards anyways, which is I'm thinking of EU and the Eurozone
[12:25] or Schengen or something along those lines.
[12:26] Again, whether which country should be included in EU or
[12:30] Eurozone? Oh, cold, cold, ice cold.
[12:35] Oh, there. I thought I was very good.
[12:36] I was very proud of myself for that.
[12:38] Guess it's so. Cold that Vanilla ice would go
[12:42] to the top 100 right now with Ice Ice Baby.
[12:45] That is absurdly cold. OK, let me just give you another
[12:49] clue. You are thinking about Europe
[12:52] and Asia, right? I would suggest that you change
[12:56] your geographical focus to across the pond to use the
[13:00] phrase. OK, that 1699300 years later in
[13:07] the US or Canada or Mexico, I guess I don't know what what was
[13:14] happening in the US at that time.
[13:16] That was the elections have happened on time. 2000 was the
[13:20] election, Yeah. No, I have no idea.
[13:24] OK, last and final time. OK, I'm going to read the
[13:28] question one. More, that's not.
[13:29] Helping me at all. Give me the word that I'm
[13:32] supposed to focus on. Just one sentence in the
[13:34] question, fine. Fine.
[13:35] Fine, it should give you a major clue, right?
[13:38] OK, the Battle of Vienna took place.
[13:45] OK, excuses listeners, we both devolved into babbling baboons.
[13:50] The Battle of Vienna took place at Carlenburg Mountain near
[13:55] Vienna on 12th September 1683, after the city had been besieged
[14:01] by the Ottoman Empire for two months. 12th September like
[14:04] 9-11. Something you know with. 9/11
[14:06] Finally Yes, September and the 11th.
[14:09] What? Yes, OK.
[14:11] Apparently, and there are many Wait, wait, listen, this is.
[14:14] This was surprising for me as well.
[14:16] OK, sorry. Some have proposed that al Qaeda
[14:20] chose 11th September 2001 as the date to carry out terrorist
[14:24] attacks throughout the United States due to the day's
[14:27] perceived significance as the turning point in the Battle of
[14:31] Vienna. According to Lawrence Wright,
[14:33] 11th September 1683 was seen by Al Qaeda as the date when the
[14:37] Western world gained dominance over Islam, and the 11th
[14:43] September, 318 years later would mark a rebirth of Islamic power.
[14:49] Oh wow, wow. I mean, they actually thought
[14:52] about when they're going to do such despicable actions.
[14:55] Very interesting. So.
[14:56] Yeah, so because the the battle ended on 12th, but it was the
[14:59] events of the 11th that kind of turned the tide.
[15:02] So they considered that date as the day that the Western world
[15:06] gained dominance over Islam, because the Ottoman Empire was
[15:10] quite big for a long period of time.
[15:14] Yeah, yeah, makes sense in terms of the, the, the, that is the
[15:17] maybe the start of the end or, or when it started the ceiling.
[15:22] Oh, wow, that is fascinating. Yeah.
[15:27] I always, I mean, I, I always thought it was a very weird
[15:29] coincidence that it is 9/11, 911.
[15:33] I'd always, I don't know. No, that's just because
[15:34] Americans put the month before the date.
[15:36] I know, I know, but nine, Yeah, which I would imagine that when
[15:39] somebody in the al Qaeda factions is planning it,
[15:43] probably didn't think of 911, would have thought 11-9.
[15:46] Yeah. But yeah, OK.
[15:47] You know, that could just be the coincidence part of it.
[15:48] But this is a very interesting and well, surprisingly you do
[15:51] have a Segway because that is also pretty dark.
[15:53] Yeah, it is pretty dark. Pretty morbid.
[15:55] Pretty morbid, but undoubtedly interesting.
[15:58] Wow. I am genuinely impressed at how
[16:01] terrible, but yeah. And yet.
[16:04] There's a lot of planning that went into this hot.
[16:06] Full this action was yeah, yeah. No, because a lot of terrorist
[16:10] actions, usually they try to have some kind of symbolic
[16:14] significance to it as well. A lot of terrorist actions are
[16:16] carried out on the the anniversaries of things every
[16:21] September 11th. The security in the US is, you
[16:24] know, quite high because if at all they were to somebody was to
[16:29] attack the US again, the most symbolic time to do it would
[16:32] still be September 11th now. You know, I just realized that
[16:36] 2611 is also the Constitution Day in India.
[16:41] Oh, I did not know that 26th 11. Yeah, wow.
[16:44] Because you said that every time they plan these activities in in
[16:48] terrorist organizations across the world, they might have some
[16:50] significance to it. And 2611, obviously the attacks
[16:52] in Mumbai and that's what I just thought about it.
[16:54] And remember this piece of trivia that 26th November is
[16:58] when the Constitution was completed.
[17:00] They waited till 26th January to celebrate Republic Day for other
[17:04] historical reasons because 26th January had been celebrated as
[17:07] some sort of Independence Day before 1947 as like hey, this is
[17:10] the day that we are going to be independent.
[17:12] So they actually postponed in our Republic Day from 26th
[17:16] November all the way till 26th Jan because they wanted to keep
[17:19] that through line going even though we gained independence on
[17:23] 15th August. They're like, OK, let's reframe
[17:25] that. I'm not sure what it was called,
[17:26] but something along the lines of Independence Day, National Day
[17:29] or something. It was called, I think.
[17:30] Oh nice, they reframed the National Day too, becoming a
[17:33] Republic Day. But interestingly enough,
[17:35] Constitution Day is celebrated in India on 26th of November and
[17:38] that's when the Constitution of India was adopted in 1949,
[17:42] exactly 2 months earlier. I am ashamed to say I did not
[17:45] know about 26th November. Yeah, and yeah, but this could
[17:48] have been a piece of trivia. But now I'm just curious if that
[17:50] is how the terrorist planned the attacks.
[17:52] Maybe you don't. You never know.
[17:54] You never know. You've just sent me down a
[17:56] conspiratorial rabbit hole. Now I'm going to go look at the
[18:00] dates of every single terrorist attack.
[18:01] But before you disappear down that rabbit hole, Alice still
[18:04] needs you to complete this podcast.
[18:06] So let's get to that and you can go to your question now, I
[18:10] think. OK fine.
[18:12] So because this would mean that I would have to take a brief
[18:17] respite from my work, which is this podcast, if I was to go do
[18:21] something which is not my work, like going on the rabbit hole.
[18:24] Trust me people, he was just about to fold a tinfoil hat for
[18:27] himself. That does bring me to my segue
[18:31] and that is about the work day for people and working hours,
[18:35] and this has to do with the 11 AM 11 ZS as it called, which is
[18:42] common to British factories. OK.
[18:45] That is when workers would take a small pause and they would
[18:50] treat themselves to tea and whatever else that these English
[18:55] folks eat. And 11 ZS, by the way, is also
[18:58] one of the meals at the hobbits. I was just thinking of that.
[19:01] Yeah, since we are doing random segues of trivia, do you know
[19:04] what are the meals that hobbits have?
[19:05] Oh I don't. I remember Mary and Pippin
[19:08] discussing that when they were on the way to pre.
[19:12] I remember there was first breakfast, second breakfast,
[19:16] then there were 11 ZS and then lunch.
[19:19] And I'm losing track after that. Pretty close.
[19:21] There's breakfast at 7:00 AM, second breakfast at 9:00 AM,
[19:24] eleven ZS at 11 AM, luncheon at 1:00 PM, afternoon day at 3:00
[19:27] PM, dinner at 6:00 PM, supper at 9:00 PM.
[19:31] OK. But the phrase elements, these
[19:32] comes from this particular practice in British factories
[19:35] where the workers would pause and have their TE and
[19:38] refreshments. OK, This had been a practice
[19:40] since the early 1900s, right? How did a certain company decide
[19:46] to capitalize on this as a promotion gimmick for their
[19:50] product? What was it that they used to
[19:54] capitalize on this practice in British factories?
[20:00] First thing that comes to mind is the time on watches and watch
[20:03] advertisements, but I think that's 10:10.
[20:05] That's 10:10 rather than something to do with 11 so.
[20:09] OK, I think because the V shaped frames the name that might come
[20:12] in the centre. And the second hand is pointing
[20:15] towards 6, so it creates a very pleasing division of the clock
[20:19] face. OK, so that's not it.
[20:22] What promotional thing 11 these something to do with Lipton and
[20:29] tea or something like that? Tea bags.
[20:32] No, not quite. Let me, I don't know if this
[20:34] will help you, but let me give you a time frame.
[20:35] This is this particular gimmick, or let's say this.
[20:40] This use of 11 ZS to promote the product started or can be traced
[20:45] back to May 1957. May 1957 in the UK post war
[20:52] England facing severe rationing. So I don't think this will be a
[20:58] luxury product. Working man product for 11:00.
[21:06] Is it something to do a watch or an alarm clock or something like
[21:10] that? No.
[21:12] OK, so let me give you some more trivia related to this
[21:14] particular product. OK, OK.
[21:16] The name of this product, while this is 20th century thing, the
[21:20] name of this product is traced back to the 18th century and
[21:25] there was a club that regularly met in a Tavern in Shire Lane in
[21:30] London and it was hosted by an innkeeper, Christopher Catling,
[21:35] and he had a certain nickname. That nickname actually gave name
[21:39] to this product 200 years later. Wait, wait, wait, what time
[21:42] frame are we talking about regarding this inn?
[21:45] The inn is in the 18th century. OK.
[21:48] The club. I did not name the club.
[21:50] The name of the club is also the nickname that the particular
[21:52] innkeeper had, and that nickname or the name of the club is what
[21:58] inspired the name for the product in 20th century.
[22:01] I have a an educated guess, but I'm not sure if this is I'm
[22:05] going to say one word. Is it got something to do with
[22:07] coffee? Roughly the right space, but it
[22:13] doesn't have to do with coffee exactly.
[22:14] Because I remember when coffee was introduced to the English,
[22:19] there was specific clubs and people where people would gather
[22:22] together to drink coffee, like it was like a communal exercise
[22:26] and there were certain places which were famous for that.
[22:29] I'm trying to Plumb the depths of my Memory of the Empire
[22:32] podcast where I heard this last, but I can't remember anything
[22:36] more than this. Something related to coffee, but
[22:41] what was the nickname of the Is it a brew master?
[22:45] Is it iron brew or something? Is it an Irish drink?
[22:48] No, so this is not a drink I meant your close by and when I
[22:51] said that I meant like in the FMCG area.
[22:54] Oh, something in the food and beverage space.
[22:57] So which is why I was thinking of iron brew, which is but again
[23:00] brew brew master. OK, let me tell you, it's not a
[23:02] beverage, it's a food item. Oh, it's a food item.
[23:08] English tea. Mari Biscuits.
[23:11] OK, so I'm just going to repeat some of the key phrases like you
[23:14] did to me last time and hopefully, oh.
[23:18] The tables have turned. How?
[23:20] The turntables, yes, I said a lot of things about the product,
[23:24] but one last thing which I have not said yet was that this
[23:27] originated or this came up when an employee in the company
[23:30] suggested something that a man could take to work.
[23:35] So Dash, that a man could take to work.
[23:38] That's the type of product that a man could take to work.
[23:40] I'm not told you exactly what type of food item it is.
[23:42] So Dash, that a man could take to work.
[23:44] Now, going back to some of the things that might lead you to
[23:47] the answer in the question already, I told you about the
[23:49] product name, which came from an 18th century club.
[23:53] The name of the club was the same name as the name of the
[23:56] innkeeper where the club met. The name of the innkeepers was
[24:00] Christopher Catling, what was his nickname, which was the name
[24:03] of the club and thereafter became the name of the product.
[24:07] And the last thing, which was also the first thing technically
[24:10] that I told you was the break that British factory workers
[24:15] take at 11 AM Eleven ZS was capitalized upon as a marketing
[24:22] thing for this product. MMM, OK.
[24:26] Food product. Something they can take to work.
[24:30] Christopher Katling Christopher Katling, CC CC I.
[24:36] Don't know what name could Christopher Katling?
[24:40] What nickname could he have? The catfish, I don't know the
[24:45] Chris. Chris is obviously too common
[24:48] for it to be anything crisp. Is it a crisp as in chips?
[24:53] Oh. Very close, very close.
[24:55] It's a type of crisps, not a chip, not a chip.
[24:58] It was actually. Yeah, Crisp is actually as close
[25:02] as it gets without getting to the answer.
[25:04] Wait, Pringles? Pringles cans.
[25:06] Not a chip. Not a chip.
[25:07] Not a chip, not a chip, OK? Remember, there are a few things
[25:11] that you can tie together, right?
[25:12] OK? There's something that a man
[25:13] could take to work. OK, a nickname for the name
[25:16] Christopher Katling is the name of the product.
[25:18] You know this product. Everybody knows this product.
[25:20] Oh, is it a Kit Kat? Kit Kat is the answer I was
[25:23] looking for. Are you?
[25:24] Kidding me? Kit Kat is from Christopher
[25:26] Katling. Wow.
[25:28] Christopher Katling's nickname was Kit Kat.
[25:32] Kat was spelled with the CAT. And kit is a very common short
[25:35] form of Christopher. Yeah, it is called the Kit Kat
[25:39] Club, which used to meet in the 18th century. 200 years later
[25:43] this was used to name the Chocolate crisp, which is why I
[25:47] said you were right. Oh.
[25:48] Was given the name Kit Kat and when they're trying to promote
[25:52] it, they're like, oh, something that a factory worker, a
[25:54] chocolate crisp that a factory worker can take to work.
[25:57] Oh, and when would he eat it? During the break.
[25:59] So have a break, have a kit. Oh, nice.
[26:03] Oh yeah, very very well put together question.
[26:07] That is the first use of the tagline Have a break, have a Kit
[26:11] Kat. Eventually the idea of taking a
[26:13] break and having a Kit Kat became so universal and
[26:15] ubiquitous that it was no longer associated with man taking it to
[26:19] work and taking a break from his factory work and eating a Kit
[26:21] Kat now literally used in so many contexts across the world.
[26:24] But it started from practice of taking breaks in British
[26:29] factories. Who knew that?
[26:31] The cannibal of the snacking industry got its name from an
[26:36] innkeeper from what, 200 years ago?
[26:39] And by the way, for those who don't know, the filling that you
[26:43] see within the wafers of a Kit Kat is crushed up.
[26:47] Kit Kat is excess Kit Kat, which was used up later.
[26:50] So then you come up to the question, how did they make the
[26:53] very first Kit Kat if the filling is made-up of crushed
[26:56] Kit Kats? You know, I was gonna add that
[26:58] as a piece of trivia, but I didn't think of this question.
[27:00] Well, Vineet, see, This is why I love doing a podcast with you.
[27:03] You make me think of things I would have never thought of.
[27:05] Yeah, which came first, the filling or the Kit Kat?
[27:08] But the filling is the Kit Kat. So it's an aura, Boris.
[27:11] It's a snake eating its tail. Every single question is making
[27:14] me go down rabbit holes with. Oh God, I have a beautiful
[27:20] question after you say rabbits and rabbit holes, but then it's
[27:24] too much of A giveaway so I'll put it to some other episode.
[27:29] OK. So it's a fantastically easy
[27:32] question for you. I'm fairly sure you'll get this
[27:35] immediately, but I just love the trivia.
[27:39] So I'm just, this is just an excuse for me to spout this
[27:41] trivia to our audience. OK, so which specific award was
[27:46] won? In 1996 by Jacques Chirac for
[27:50] commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hiroshima with
[27:54] atomic bomb tests in the Pacific?
[27:56] In 2001 by Williamus Malinowskas of Grutus, Lithuania, for
[28:03] creating the amusement park Stalin World.
[28:07] In 2005 by Claire Rindt and Peter Simmons of Newcastle
[28:12] University for electrically monitoring the activity of a
[28:15] brain cell in a locust while the locust was watching Star Wars.
[28:22] And in 2012 by Arthura Zwokas, the mayor of Vilnius, for
[28:27] demonstrating that the problem of illegally parked luxury cars
[28:32] could be solved by running them over with a tank.
[28:37] Oh wow. Yeah.
[28:39] Which award did which specific award did all of them receive or
[28:44] were they all recipients? OK this this.
[28:50] I mean the only answer that comes to mind is the golden
[28:53] Raspberry award equivalent for non cinephiles, which has to be
[28:57] the egg Nobel Prize. Oh.
[28:58] Very good, but I'm asking you which specific award.
[29:02] I knew you would get this but I just want you to try and tell me
[29:04] which specific award this is. I don't know the categories and
[29:10] egg Nobel prizes. Interestingly, egg Nobel prizes
[29:13] are not always very ridiculous. Some of them are rather
[29:16] interesting and smart. And I think the the category or
[29:18] the qualification is that it makes you think of something no
[29:22] normal person would think of. Yeah.
[29:24] So, yeah, sometimes it's actually very interesting.
[29:26] And things that that have gone on to matter a lot in the
[29:30] scientific community have also won a Nobel Prize.
[29:31] But these aren't hilarious. Locust watching Star Wars luxury
[29:37] cars with tanks, Stalingrad. And what is the first one?
[29:41] So Stalin World, basically an amusement park called Stalin
[29:44] World. And to Jacques Chirac for
[29:47] commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Hiroshima
[29:50] bomb by conducting atomic bomb tests.
[29:54] Underwater atomic bomb tests in French Polynesia.
[29:57] That does sound important, I guess, even if destructive.
[30:02] This. The amusement park is always
[30:05] throwing me off. Something to do with the
[30:09] opposite of peace, the ignoble not Peace Prize.
[30:15] It is the ignoble Peace Prize. OK.
[30:17] Yeah, so the IG Nobel Prize has many more categories than the
[30:21] Nobel Prize, OK. For example, in 2024 they gave
[30:25] awards for anatomy, biology, botany, chemistry, demography,
[30:29] medicine, peace, physics, Physiology, and probability.
[30:33] OK. And there have been five people
[30:36] who won multiple IG Nobel awards, none of them you may
[30:39] have heard of. And there's only one person
[30:41] who's won the Nobel Prize as well as the IG Nobel Prize.
[30:46] Right. I knew there was one person.
[30:47] Yeah. Who is it though?
[30:48] Sir Andre Constantine Guillen. He's a Dutch British physicist.
[30:52] OK. All these people won the IG
[30:55] Nobel Prize for peace. Now, as Aditya mentioned, IG
[31:00] Nobel Prizes are a parody of the Nobel Prizes.
[31:03] They are awarded in mid-september every year.
[31:05] They give these awards for achievements that first make
[31:09] people laugh and then make them think.
[31:13] Yeah, that is what it was. Yes.
[31:14] Make them think after they've laughed, Yes, correct.
[31:16] So as you can see, it's a lot of fun.
[31:19] I would recommend going through the Wikipedia page for all the
[31:23] winners since they started giving away the awards.
[31:25] But I will take the time to tell you what the awards given in
[31:28] 2024 were for anatomy. A huge group of people 14 people
[31:34] were given the award in anatomy for finding the scalp hair walls
[31:39] are more likely to spiral in a counterclockwise direction in
[31:42] the southern hemisphere as compared to the northern
[31:44] hemisphere I. Have read this, yes.
[31:47] My particular favorite in this particular set of awards went to
[31:51] Fordyce Eli and William Peterson for biology, both posthumously
[31:57] awarded for repeatedly exploding paper bags next to a cat that
[32:03] was standing on the back of the cow and finding that it caused
[32:07] the cow to produce less milk. In Botany, to Independent Magma
[32:14] and Utah based researcher Jacob White and Felipe Yamashita of
[32:18] the University of Bonn for finding that certain plants
[32:20] imitate the leaf shape of nearby plastic plants and thereby
[32:24] concluding that plant vision is possible.
[32:29] In Chemistry to a team in Amsterdam for the use of
[32:32] chromatography to separate drunk worms from sober worms and
[32:38] demography and this is this is really good to solve Justin
[32:41] Newman for finding that super centenarians that is people over
[32:45] the age of 100 and extreme age records tend to come from areas
[32:49] with no birth certificates, rampant clerical errors pension
[32:53] fraud and short lifespans you. Have read this somewhere.
[32:57] OK, Yeah. In medicine, the award went to
[33:00] three people for finding that fake medicine that induces
[33:04] painful side effects can be more effective than fake medicine
[33:07] that does not cause painful side effects.
[33:11] Oh good God. In Physics to James Liao for his
[33:15] long running study on how dead trout can swim.
[33:21] OK in probability to a team of 50 researchers for performing
[33:26] 350,757 experiments to show that when a coin is flipped it is
[33:31] slightly more likely to land on the same side as it started.
[33:36] OK, and Physiology to Takanori Takebe for finding that several
[33:43] mammals can breathe through their anus.
[33:46] I've read this one as well. Yeah, and bringing it right back
[33:48] around to the IG Nobel Peace Prize of 2024, which went to BF
[33:53] Skinner, posthumously awarded for a study on housing live
[33:56] pigeons inside missiles to guide them to their targets.
[34:04] OK. So I would definitely recommend
[34:07] checking out the Wikipedia page for the list of big Nobel Prize
[34:11] recipients. It is a laugh and a half and it
[34:14] does actually make you think. So better to go and just go and
[34:18] check it out. It's just a lot of fun.
[34:19] You can easily spend half an hour going through the wormhole
[34:22] on this one. Or the rabbit hole rather.
[34:25] Love that. OK, this was hilarious and
[34:30] actually thankfully gives me a lovely segue as well.
[34:33] So my next question has to do with something that makes you
[34:37] laugh and then makes you think. OK.
[34:40] But this is obviously way older than the Nobel prizes.
[34:43] This has to do with an English poet best known for the Fairy
[34:48] Queen, and the fairy is spelled FAERIE and queen is spelled QU
[34:53] double ENE. OK.
[34:55] There's an epic poem and fantastical allegory celebrating
[34:59] the Tudor dynasty and Elizabeth the First.
[35:01] OK, do you know who this poet is?
[35:03] Vineet? I am familiar with the poem, at
[35:06] least in the name. There's some Edmund something, I
[35:09] don't remember exactly, but I think it is.
[35:12] Always, always blowing my mind. Edmund Spencer.
[35:15] Yes. Edmund Spencer, yeah.
[35:17] So like I said, he had written his most famous poem celebrating
[35:21] the Tudor dynasty and Elizabeth the first, right?
[35:24] This brings me to when the Queen told her treasurer William Cecil
[35:30] to pay Spencer £100 for his poetry.
[35:33] OK. The treasurer, however, objected
[35:36] that the sum was too much. OK, she then said, then give him
[35:41] what is X or dash. OK, then give him what is Dash?
[35:46] OK. Without receiving his payment in
[35:48] due time, Spencer gave the Queen a quatrain.
[35:53] OK. After hearing this, the Queen
[35:56] immediately ordered the Treasurer to pay Spencer the
[35:58] original 100 lbs. OK, now I will obviously tell
[36:01] you what the quatrain is, but that I'll keep as a first hint.
[36:04] Do you already perhaps have a guess as to what phrase comes
[36:08] from this quatrain? What famous phrase?
[36:09] We go back to my first question type.
[36:11] What famous phrase? Nothing comes to mind right now,
[36:15] no. OK.
[36:16] So let me tell you the 1st 2 lines of the quatrain.
[36:19] OK, OK, I was promised on a time to have a reason for my rhyme
[36:26] from that time unto the season. And then the last line is the
[36:29] phrase. From that time unto the season.
[36:33] So something that ends with maybe reason.
[36:36] Oh, very interesting. OK, so let me actually connect
[36:39] it back to the first dash of blank that I had left, which was
[36:42] what the Queen said to the Treasurer.
[36:44] When the Treasurer said that £100 is too much, she said quote
[36:48] then give him. What is the reason?
[36:50] OK. OK, let me repeat the first 3
[36:53] lines again. I was promised on a time to have
[36:56] a reason for my rhyme. From that time unto the season,
[37:01] fill in the blank for the last line, which will also be roughly
[37:04] the phrase that we today know. I see no reason.
[37:07] No, no, no, a more, let's say proverbial things.
[37:10] No, I'm I'm confusing 2 poems altogether.
[37:13] I see no reason why this treason should ever be forgot.
[37:16] Oh Remember, Remember the 5th of November?
[37:19] Yes, the gunpowder treason and plot.
[37:23] OK, now my brain is that the poem is in my head now, so it's
[37:26] not going to leave. The moment you say that I just
[37:29] picture V for Vendetta and and that V speech.
[37:33] Yes. That was a master class in
[37:35] writing. I meant to say this in the past,
[37:37] but I want to say this again. A shout out to one of our guest
[37:40] quiz masters. Sai knows that speech verbatim.
[37:46] I see what you did there. As a pun.
[37:48] But yes, he knows the speech verbatim.
[37:51] The entire V speech. OK, so he knows that verbatim.
[37:55] That does not help me in this question.
[37:58] And funnily enough, Sai's full name is Sai Visesh Suresh, and a
[38:02] few of his friends used to call him Sai V Suresh, or V just for
[38:06] short. That's very impressive on Sai's
[38:09] part, but gives me absolutely nothing to work with here.
[38:12] So I'm guessing the ending is still reason.
[38:14] Actually, no reason. No.
[38:16] From this and until until the season, no rhyme or reason.
[38:21] Perfect. Yes, it is rhyme and reason.
[38:24] Oh, nice, nice, nice. Let's just tie it up neatly with
[38:29] a bow on top because, the Queen said when the treasurer
[38:33] objected, saying £100 is too much, the Queen said give him
[38:36] what is reason, Reason being what is reasonable.
[38:40] OK. When Edmund Spencer did not
[38:43] receive his payment and he was pissed off about it, he wrote
[38:46] this quatrain for the Queen. He said I was promised on a time
[38:50] to have a reason for my rhyme. From that time unto the season I
[38:55] received, nor rhyme nor reason. Nice.
[39:00] And that is the the famous phrase neither rhyme nor reason.
[39:05] That's very nice. Yeah.
[39:07] I did not know that Edmund Spencer was responsible for
[39:10] rhyme and reason. That's TIL to do for me.
[39:13] Which brings me in no particular way, apart from the fact that
[39:18] this question is also made-up of words to a question which was
[39:21] sent to us by a friend of the podcast 1, Mr. Udayan Sen, who
[39:26] sent me a very, very frankly impressive set of questions.
[39:29] So Udayan Sen, thank you. I hope I'm not butchering your
[39:32] name. He sent me a fantastic question
[39:35] which I'm now posing to you. In the Egyptian hieroglyphic
[39:39] records, the name of this place appears as Klebny, with records
[39:43] going back to the 4th dynasty pharaoh Sneferu.
[39:47] It was also referred to as Gubla in the Akkadian cuneiform Amarna
[39:53] letters to Aminotep. Which place is this?
[39:57] Which is in present day Kesarwan Jablil Governorate of Lebanon.
[40:02] And what did it inspire? Where in Lebanon did you say?
[40:06] It's in the Kesarwan Jabl governorate of Lebanon.
[40:10] And is it? Is it a city?
[40:11] Is it a town? It is.
[40:13] It's a place. It's a town come city.
[40:15] I don't know how big how big it is, but let's call it a city for
[40:17] now at least. It used to be considered a city
[40:20] in the ages past. OK, no, I need a hint.
[40:27] I have no idea whatsoever. OK.
[40:29] So in the past it was known by a different name in Greek, and
[40:35] that Greek word is very familiar to us today.
[40:39] And this city was a Phoenician city and was important for their
[40:45] import of papyrus out of ancient Egypt, and so much so that the
[40:51] name of the city came to mean papyrus in Greek.
[40:58] Oh, interesting. Papyrus in Greek?
[41:02] Greek is definitely very poor. Something to do with pages?
[41:07] Something to do with? Keep thinking.
[41:11] When do pages something do with books?
[41:13] Because again, the Greek libraries are very famous.
[41:16] Very close. Oh close Libro.
[41:21] Libro is Spanish for book though.
[41:24] Yes, it's a Romance language. It's Latin.
[41:27] I think Libra comes from Latin, but we are somewhat in the same
[41:32] area. You lost track a little bit.
[41:34] Maybe look for another word. Think of the French word for
[41:38] library. Oh, isn't it biblio or
[41:43] something? Bibliotheque or something like
[41:45] that. Yes.
[41:47] The biblio man, that's book bibliography.
[41:52] Is that something Biblo? Yes, you've got it, you've got
[41:55] it. So the name of the place was
[41:57] Biblos. Interesting.
[42:00] So the city which was known in ancient Egyptian as Klebny and
[42:06] which also was known by other names such as Gubla, it was
[42:11] known in Greek as Biblos and to the Romans also as Biblas.
[42:17] And now the city was important for the import of papyrus out of
[42:21] ancient Egypt, to the extent that Biblos came to me in
[42:24] papyrus in Greek. And from which we get
[42:28] Bibliophile, Bibliotech, Biblioteca in some other Romance
[42:32] languages. And the English word Bible also
[42:36] comes from this particular city. So the place the Bible traces
[42:41] its root word to this place called Biblios, which is also
[42:46] called Jabil. Wow, OK.
[42:50] Yeah. So hence it's in the Kesar 1
[42:52] Jabil Governorate of Lebanon. Pretty cool, OK.
[42:57] I would like to thank again Udayan Sen for that fantastic
[42:59] question. I did not know this and it was a
[43:01] complete TIL to me and I was founded.
[43:03] Fascinating that one city just because it was responsible for
[43:08] papyrus, which was a writing, you know, pages were made from
[43:10] papyrus and that became the root word for almost everything
[43:15] descriptive regarding books, Bibliotech, bibliophile, even
[43:21] the Bible, which is the book people call it the book the
[43:25] Bible. Wow, that makes a lot of sense.
[43:28] I mean, of course I had made the connection to the Bible,
[43:30] bibliography, bibliotheque, but that comes with the name of a
[43:34] place is fascinating. TIL for me today.
[43:36] Love that. Love that.
[43:38] Yeah. Nice.
[43:39] Nice question. OK, Since I inadvertently,
[43:42] without planning it, I ended up doing 3 questions about phrases
[43:46] because the first one was about making lemonade when life gives
[43:50] you lemons. Then it was about have a break,
[43:52] have a Kit Kat. And the third one obviously was
[43:56] rhyme and reason. I'm going to do another
[43:58] proverbial phrase. Let me tell you about a
[44:02] monument, and this is the millerium aureum, or the golden
[44:08] milestone, which is probably made of marble or gilded bronze
[44:12] and was erected by Emperor Augustus near the temple of
[44:16] Saturn in the central Forum of ancient Rome.
[44:20] OK, that's all I'm going to tell you.
[44:22] Tell me, what proverbial phrase owes its origin to this
[44:26] particular? Monument so the Malarium orum
[44:30] you mentioned. Malarium Orium or golden
[44:34] milestone? So Malarium is milestone.
[44:38] Sorry. I'm so sorry.
[44:39] I'm sorry. Millarium.
[44:40] Not millarium. Millarium.
[44:42] OK. Millarium.
[44:43] Yeah, Millarium. Millarium orium, OK, makes more
[44:46] sense, yes. Millarium milestone, yes.
[44:49] And so you have the Millarium Orium by Augustus, and it was a
[44:57] building, you said, right, it's a monument.
[44:59] It was a monument. It was probably not made of gold
[45:02] and instant made of marble or gilded bronze.
[45:04] Yeah, makes sense. And it was erected by Augustus,
[45:07] Emperor Augustus, near the temple of Saturn in the central
[45:10] forum of ancient Rome. Augustus built a monument to or
[45:19] near Saturn, right? You mentioned it's near Saturn.
[45:22] OK, Augustus was first. He was a, he was a Octavian,
[45:28] right? You're talking about Octavian,
[45:29] which also known as Augustus. He was Caesar's nephew, I'm
[45:33] guessing. Also known as Octavian, Yes.
[45:36] OK, milestone, something to do with distance a mile?
[45:43] Not to do with specifically miles, but yes, something to do
[45:46] with closely to distance I guess.
[45:48] A lot too far. OK.
[45:51] The Saturn thing I'm guessing must have some anything to do
[45:55] with it. No, it doesn't have anything to
[45:57] do with the temple of Saturn specifically.
[45:59] OK. No, I'm not going to need some
[46:03] kind of clue, I'm sorry. Alright, let me give you one
[46:06] more example of distances in the Roman Empire were measured
[46:10] relative to this particular monument.
[46:13] OK. Yeah.
[46:15] OK, so this is like the center point.
[46:17] This is like Greenwich. That should lead you to the
[46:19] answer, yeah. So distances are measured.
[46:22] All roads lead to Rome. Exactly.
[46:25] All roads lead to Rome. Nice, nice, nice.
[46:29] So that came from this particular monument or was it?
[46:32] Exactly. Yeah, because on it perhaps we
[46:34] listed all the major cities in the empire and distances to
[46:37] them. So they were supposed to be all
[46:39] be connected to this particular monument.
[46:41] Wow. Not just Rome, but to this
[46:43] particular monument in the central Forum of ancient Rome.
[46:46] Nice. And the phrase all roads lead to
[46:49] Rome, according to the 19 century historian Philips CAF,
[46:52] comes from the fact that the Millerium Aureum was that
[46:56] central point in the Roman Empire where everything was
[46:59] measured from. Oregon, hear me out here.
[47:01] It could be the fact that modern day roads were introduced by the
[47:04] Romans and so technically they built everything so that things
[47:08] could be taken back to Rome. So regardless of whether that
[47:11] monument was there or not, all roads would lead to Rome.
[47:16] Perhaps. But hey, there is definitely
[47:18] something that existed which had probably the distance is
[47:23] measured in all Roman Empire to this particular point, so yeah.
[47:27] I'm guessing you'd need something like that to explain
[47:28] why both Russell Crowe and so Paul Mescalon and me and they
[47:33] ended up in Rome anyway, regardless if one came from
[47:36] North Africa and whatnot. I just did not like the second
[47:39] movie. It made no sense to me and
[47:42] therefore I shall not be recommending it as a pop culture
[47:46] recommendation. But before we get to the pop
[47:47] culture recommendation, we need your last question.
[47:49] Yes, so my last and final question for this episode is as
[47:54] follows. It is said to be the most
[47:58] documented human life in history, which inventor and
[48:03] architect kept a detailed scrapbook of his life that he
[48:07] updated obsessively from 1917 to 1983.
[48:13] The resulting log, called the Dymaxion Chronophile, its
[48:18] contents cross referenced in 13,500 index cards, stacks 270
[48:25] feet, that is 82 meters and is housed at Stanford University.
[48:32] Holy hell, that is a lot of documentation.
[48:35] Oh yeah. This is Dymaxion Chronophile.
[48:39] Is that what it is? Yes, the Dymaxion Chronophile.
[48:42] And you said something in the early 1900s to 1980s. 1917 to
[48:48] 1983. I'll give you a little more
[48:50] information about the Chronophile itself.
[48:51] It contains over 140,000 plus pieces of paper, 64,000 feet of
[48:58] film, 1500 hours of audio tape, and 300 hours of video
[49:04] recording. It's cross reference
[49:07] alphabetically using 13,500 5 into 8 inch index cards.
[49:13] Wow, OK, because we are talking about obsessive behaviors.
[49:17] I was going to say Nikola Tesla, but obviously the timeline
[49:20] doesn't fit that the. Timeline does not match.
[49:22] Yeah, and I doubt there is any video recordings of Tesla.
[49:26] No, I think there are photographs.
[49:27] I think there may be a video recording possibility.
[49:29] I don't want to completely say it's not possible, but the other
[49:32] may be. How many hours did you say?
[49:35] So the total number of hours that we are talking about
[49:39] include 300 hours of video recordings and 1500 hours of
[49:44] audio tape. The clue here would be to focus
[49:49] on Dymaxion. Dymaxion I'm.
[49:53] Going to explain that clue because it's a little vague.
[49:57] So dymaxion was a term coined by this person and associated with
[50:01] much of his work. It's a portmanteau of dynamic
[50:05] maximum and tension. OK.
[50:07] So among this person's inventions include a Dymaxian
[50:11] house, Dymaxian car, a Dymaxian deployment unit, a Dymaxian map
[50:19] which I found quite interesting. OK, wait, he's invented quite a
[50:24] few different things, OK. Oh, yeah, he's, he's extremely
[50:28] famous. You definitely would have heard
[50:31] of him. If I were to describe who he
[50:33] was, I would describe him as an inventor, architect, systems
[50:37] theorist, writer, designer, inventor, philosopher, and
[50:41] futurist. Architect.
[50:44] OK. Because so far I was just
[50:45] thinking inventor, but suddenly he's an architect also a very.
[50:48] Intelligent person as well. Served as the Second World
[50:52] President of Mensa International from 1973 to 1983.
[50:58] You should not have said that. Buckminster Fuller in
[51:00] Buckminster Fuller. Very nice, very nice.
[51:04] You almost went to the graphite structure that he's named her,
[51:06] but. Yes, yes, he's named after
[51:09] Buckminster Fullerene. I know he's named after.
[51:14] Buckminster Fuller, who's a prolific inventor, I think most
[51:17] people would know him from his design of the geodesic Dome,
[51:22] which is made from different polyhedrals.
[51:24] It's a triangular made completely of triangles, if I'm
[51:26] not mistaken, right? So he is famous for that
[51:29] particular thing, but he's also famous for a lot of other
[51:31] things. As I mentioned, his map is quite
[51:34] interesting. There's a Dymaxion map that he
[51:37] invented, which is superior, apparently, to the kind of
[51:41] regular projection that we see. Mercator projection, yes.
[51:46] The Mercator projections that we see grossly distort the relative
[51:49] sizes of continents and islands, which makes Greenland look
[51:53] almost as big as Africa. I was just going to say that is
[51:55] one of the reasons apparently Trump really wants Greenland
[51:58] because it just looks huge on the map.
[52:01] But let's just put it this way, that his projection, which is
[52:04] called the fuller projection or the dimax in map projection, is
[52:07] also like his other inventions made of polyhedrons,
[52:10] polyhedrons, and it has the projection of the Earth onto the
[52:14] unfolded net of an icosahedron. Now this is all going to be
[52:18] complete Greek to everybody who's listening.
[52:21] So just go online, type in Dimaxian map, that's DYMAXION.
[52:27] You'll see the projection and think, wow, no wonder this never
[52:30] became popular. Yeah, so very well guessed.
[52:35] You got it right. It is Buckminster Fuller.
[52:38] I actually only got that because architect and Mensa and maybe
[52:42] people don't know this but I am part of Mensa International.
[52:46] Oh nice, nice. Our boy has a recorded IQ of
[52:50] more than 140. Eat that Dumbo's who are
[52:53] listening to this podcast. Whatever that means, because I
[52:56] remember a friend of mine and I were obsessed with the idea,
[52:59] like, what is Bensa? And you're like, oh, it's the
[53:01] top 2 percentile of 1 percentile of quote, UN quote, intelligent
[53:04] people in the world. So we went and took that
[53:06] entrance exam. It was really stupid.
[53:07] I, I don't really mean to brag of flex.
[53:10] It's just a dumb way to judge intelligence.
[53:12] I generally think it's a very ridiculous way to judge
[53:14] intelligence. We just happened to be good at
[53:17] it. And yeah, we were inducted in.
[53:20] After the first year, they started charging us some money
[53:22] and we're like, you know what? I'm OK.
[53:24] No, yeah, I mean it is a club. Yeah, I'm not part of it
[53:26] anymore, but I was part of it briefly and I still have AT
[53:29] shirt it, says Minsa International.
[53:32] Nice, nice. Basically Aditya flexing once
[53:36] again. Yeah, very much, Very much so.
[53:38] Nice, nice. Well done by the way.
[53:40] OK. Now let's come back to our
[53:43] audience question which I had asked at the beginning of
[53:45] today's episode, which was which is the largest crude oil
[53:48] producer in the world, Aditya Rapid Fire.
[53:50] What's the first time that comes to mind?
[53:52] USA. OK, I was expecting you to say
[53:54] Saudi Arabia so that I couldn't tell you.
[53:56] Of course it is the USA. But since you got it, the USA,
[54:00] good for you, you knew that Baba.
[54:02] But for the rest of you people, normal people who might have
[54:05] thought it would be Saudi Arabia, No, it's not.
[54:07] It's the USA. So the USA is indeed the largest
[54:10] crude oil producer in the world. Since Aditya won't give me the
[54:13] satisfaction, I'm going to take, you know, vicarious satisfactory
[54:16] in the fact that at least a few of you listening to this podcast
[54:19] would have thought obviously it's Saudi Arabia, but it's not.
[54:22] It's the USA. There are 103 episodes any
[54:26] listener can go and listen to where they can yell at me when I
[54:29] don't get the most obvious of answers.
[54:32] This one just happens to be the exception.
[54:37] OK, that brings us to the end of the episode.
[54:39] But before we go, we have the balance of our pop culture
[54:41] recommendation. So, Aditya, what is your pop
[54:44] culture recommendation for this week?
[54:47] OK, today is going to be an interesting recommendations is
[54:50] because I have to recommend 3 movies, actually a fourth
[54:54] special one. But first 3 movies which I went
[54:56] on a binge when I was in Abu Dhabi for a brief while and I
[55:00] decided I want to check out the local content.
[55:02] So when I searched for movies that Middle East or Arabic, they
[55:06] gave me 3 very amazing movies to watch and I had heard of some of
[55:10] them. Some of them I had not heard of.
[55:11] The first one is A Separation. Oh what a brilliant film from a
[55:16] genuinely genius filmmaker. Oscar Farhadi.
[55:19] I believe that's how the name is pronounced.
[55:21] A separation. Iranian film.
[55:23] Check it out. Amazing.
[55:25] Then there is Kappa Norm, which is a Lebanese film I believe,
[55:29] and it stars a child actor who himself was a displaced person,
[55:35] was a refugee and I think he was selected to act in this film.
[55:39] And my God, what a phenomenal actor, phenomenal film.
[55:43] So check out Kaepernom as well. And the third one is Incendies.
[55:47] Now Incendies is, I believe, multinational production.
[55:50] I think there are a few countries involved in it, but
[55:53] crux of the story is in the Middle East.
[55:54] Cracker of an ending. Oh, what an ending.
[55:56] It leaves you feeling a little and that's the only way I can
[56:00] describe it. But yes, please go watch it.
[56:02] It'll make you cry. It'll make you feel things that
[56:04] make you introspect. All three films actually will do
[56:07] all of those things. So watch A Separation, Kappa
[56:09] Norm and Incendies. And the fourth film I'm going to
[56:13] say is actually because something interesting happened
[56:15] in my life recently and something related to the
[56:17] episode. We mentioned Greek a few times
[56:19] in this episode and my sister recently got married and her
[56:23] fiance and now husband is from Greece.
[56:26] So I'm going to recommend My Big Fat Greek Wedding just because
[56:32] she got married to a Greek person recently.
[56:34] Couldn't be happier for both my sister and her now husband and
[56:38] My Big Fat Greek Wedding. For those of you who want to
[56:40] watch what her wedding did not look anything like that.
[56:44] They did a very low key thing but if they had done something
[56:48] like that you can go watch what an alternate universe wedding
[56:51] would have looked like in the My Big Fat Greek Wedding.
[56:53] So 4 movies to watch, check those out.
[56:56] OK, congratulations to your sister and her newlywed status
[57:01] and her husband. And I'm kind of envious of the
[57:04] fact that now you have a brother-in-law in Greece, which
[57:06] makes your travel umbrella even larger than what it used to be.
[57:09] So good for you. And congratulation to your
[57:12] sister. So yes, my, my envy does not
[57:16] show at all. My recommendation for this week
[57:20] is a show on Netflix which released a couple of months ago.
[57:23] The show is called American Primeval.
[57:25] Have you seen it? Aditya.
[57:26] Oh, I've seen it on the recommendation.
[57:28] I've not watched it yet. Yes, So American Primeval was
[57:32] written, directed by Peter Berg. If you're familiar with a lot of
[57:35] the recent Mark Wahlberg movies, you may be familiar with Peter
[57:39] Berg. And let me tell you that this
[57:42] man single handedly through the show will dispel any impressions
[57:48] you've had about what we call the quote UN quote, Wild West.
[57:52] Oh. From what we grew up, when we
[57:55] grew up, the 80s and the 90s, our impressions of the Wild West
[57:59] were from movies where they did show a little bit of the brutal
[58:04] side. But it is always, you know, the
[58:06] worst you saw was Sergio Leone movies, right?
[58:09] The conditions were described as being a little dark and whatnot.
[58:12] However, it did feel a little sanitized.
[58:15] American Primeval kind of shows you exactly what life during
[58:19] that time was like. And it is broader.
[58:23] There are certain scenes which are extremely difficult to
[58:27] watch, but I think it does point out a major part of American
[58:32] history which has been, let's say, toned down and seen through
[58:37] rose colored glasses by many. And this just shows it to you in
[58:41] Star Cinema scope. It's a fantastic show, but be
[58:45] warned, it's not for the faint of heart.
[58:48] And because I also mentioned Peter Berg, I believe there was
[58:50] a movie of his called Mile 22, which I'm personally a big fan
[58:54] of because it's one of those mindless entertainers that I can
[58:56] watch anytime and there's some fantastic set pieces in it.
[58:59] So definitely which I caught Mile 22 and American Primeval
[59:03] and those are my pop culture recommendations for this week.
[59:07] And that's all the time we have for today's episode.
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[59:48] Have a great day. And once again I want to say
[59:50] congratulations to Aditya sister for her recent wedding.
[59:53] Though by the time most of you would have heard this, she would
[59:56] have been well past her honeymoon and would be thinking
[59:59] why the hell is this guy wishing me 5-6 months after my wedding?
[1:00:02] But congratulations anyway. See you guys next week.

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