# Episode 043 - Languages, Galileo & The Apple III

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 3 Nov 2023, 51 min.

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Do you know which blockbuster Hindi film was based on the 1986 Shiv Rajkumar starrer Ratha Saptami? Do you know what hack became part of the official troubleshooting list for the Apple III? Do you know which outlawed practice is the subject of Utpal Borjapuri’s Assamese feature film ‘Ishu’? Tune in to find out! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com

## Transcript

[0:01] Welcome to Are you quizzing Me? I'm Vineet Myer with my Co host
[0:05] Aditya Kashim. This is a quizzing trivia
[0:07] podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into
[0:10] history, science, sport, pop culture and so much more.
[0:13] Desk and quizzing. And we're back for episode #43,
[0:21] A prime episode today of Are You Quizzing Me Prime?
[0:26] Because 43 is a prime number. Hahaha, you're back with Vineet
[0:30] and Aditya, your favorite quizzing podcast show hosts.
[0:34] And let's start off today's episode with the answer to
[0:38] Aditya's question. So last week, the question I
[0:42] asked was which song would be considered as iconic a song as
[0:48] Thriller was in the United States of America, which
[0:53] basically cemented Michael Jackson's status as the King of
[0:57] Pop. And I realized that the answer
[1:00] was staring me right in the face.
[1:03] In multiple levels, actually. Uh oh, do you vineet remember DJ
[1:09] Doll remixes? Vaguely.
[1:14] DJ Doll remixes were these bunch of remixes of I believe sixties,
[1:19] 70s music and they were being basically remixed for the modern
[1:26] pop. Consumer.
[1:27] And this was in the early 2000s and one of the most iconic songs
[1:31] that was remixed was Kanta Laga. Oh, yes, yes, yes.
[1:35] That. That does ring a bell.
[1:37] Yes. So the Kanta Laga video featured
[1:42] this actress called Shefali Jariwala, who everybody just
[1:45] referred to as the Kanta Laga girl because she had a very
[1:49] iconic presence in it. And here's why I think it it
[1:52] mirrors Thriller very well. Is because I remember reading
[1:58] rumours, or at least hearing these rumours that she had died
[2:01] soon after that video video and because she got skin cancer,
[2:08] which is, I don't know, which is very, very like, dark and
[2:11] morbid. And the reason that she got skin
[2:13] cancer is because at some point she gets this temporary tattoo
[2:16] on her skin. And I now that I look back, I
[2:19] feel like my mum must have told me that, just to discourage me
[2:21] from ever getting tattoos. I was for the longest.
[2:24] I'm convinced that Shefali Jariwala, also called the Carta
[2:28] like a girl is dead because she got a tattoo.
[2:31] So perhaps the reason that I'm still tattoo less in life is
[2:34] because as a child I was traumatized into thinking that
[2:37] that will absolutely definitely give me a skin cancer bout.
[2:42] So that question took me from ghosts and horror music videos.
[2:51] Two children being traumatized by tattoos.
[2:54] I don't think any one of your answers has taken such a great
[2:57] left field twist. There was like A twist in the
[3:01] answer. It all adds up though, because
[3:03] it is the ghost of my past, Vineet.
[3:06] It is the horror that I have lived through.
[3:09] So if you're ever visited by 3 Ghosts During Christmas, you're
[3:13] saying that the ghost of your Christmas Past will be Shefari
[3:16] Jariwala in a white saree. Except Shivali Jarual is very
[3:19] much alive, so I don't even know why.
[3:23] OK, there you have it folks. This is Aditya using this
[3:29] podcast to exercise his childhood ghosts.
[3:34] Now, if you guys thought that I had forgotten about the audience
[3:36] question, I had not. So this is the audience question
[3:39] for this week, the answer of which I will reveal at the end
[3:42] of the episode. Inspired from the Kannada
[3:45] blockbuster movie Ratha Saptami from 1986, which in turn was
[3:50] based on a Kannada novel of the same name, This movie went on to
[3:55] earn 800 million at the box office.
[3:58] It also temporarily held the record for most awards won by a
[4:01] feature film. Which movie are we talking
[4:04] about? We'll reveal the answer at the
[4:07] end of the episode, by which time you can guess.
[4:09] Please don't Google, you can guess.
[4:11] Try to guess what the answer may be.
[4:15] Aditya, shall I start off the proceedings for this week with
[4:18] our regularly regular programming, frankly.
[4:22] Go for it. OK, so Wayne Anthony Orwin's
[4:28] Sorry Wayne. Anthony Orwin was an American
[4:30] voice actor, sound effects editor and Foley artists.
[4:34] He's most famous for voicing this character X, for 32 years.
[4:40] He married the actress Russy Taylor in 1991, who's famous for
[4:46] voicing Y, the character Y since 1986, and they remain married
[4:51] until he passed away in 2009. Before I give you any other
[4:55] further clues, let's see if you can work it out who this person
[4:59] is and who which characters X&Y are.
[5:01] So we have Wayne Anthony Alvin, who voiced X for 32 years, and
[5:07] he married voice actress Rossi Taylor in 1991, who's famous for
[5:11] voicing Y. Is this?
[5:14] Mickey and Minnie. Oh, class answer.
[5:19] Class answer, really. That is it.
[5:21] A, you know, the cracking crack. Frankly speaking, yes, this is
[5:26] Mickey and Minnie. My clue was going to be that why
[5:28] was named after the Roman goddess of wisdom, because
[5:32] Minnie Minerva, But you didn't require any of that.
[5:35] Beautiful. So yes, Wayne Anthony Alvin is
[5:38] the person who's voiced Mickey Mouse for the longest time.
[5:41] Do you know who voiced Mickey Mouse for the very first time?
[5:44] I would be hard pressed to know that that was Walt Disney
[5:47] himself. Yes, So he voiced Mickey Mouse
[5:51] for the first time. And yeah, Bane Anthony Alvin,
[5:55] the guy who voiced Mickey Mouse, was actually married to the lady
[5:59] who was voicing Minnie Mouse. So I found that quite
[6:03] symmetrical. That's a very wholesome fact.
[6:06] That's a wholesome piece of trivia.
[6:09] I like it since we were talking about.
[6:13] Something as iconic as Mickey Mouse?
[6:14] Let me do a pivot to another very iconic pop culture
[6:21] artifact, OK? And here you have to tell me
[6:24] which movie I'm talking about. So in the 60s there was a movie
[6:29] that came out which accidentally entered the public domain
[6:33] immediately. Now why this happened was
[6:36] because the director inadvertently removed the
[6:40] copyright notice. And this was mandatory for any
[6:43] film to be protected by the US copyright law.
[6:46] So while editing the film, there was a huge blunder and the
[6:50] director accidentally removed the copyright notice that
[6:53] appears in the beginning of the film.
[6:55] Wow. And by the time this change was
[6:58] discovered, it was too late to reverse, which meant that as
[7:02] soon as the movie came out, it was in the public domain.
[7:05] This movie incidentally became a classic and and enjoyed.
[7:10] Massive distribution and a fantastic box office run Today
[7:16] this movie is remembered for a very specific origin of a
[7:22] certain type of movie. So a certain genre of film
[7:26] originated with this particular movie.
[7:28] It is also iconic because it has been used.
[7:32] In so many places, probably because of the lack of
[7:34] copyright. So a lot of TV stations used it.
[7:37] A lot of other film makers used it when they needed something to
[7:40] be played on the background and ATV in their own film, and thus
[7:45] this movie has just ended up having a life of its own.
[7:49] Which movie am I talking about? Is this the movie from which the
[7:53] Wilhelm screen was taken from? Like people sample the Wilhelm
[7:57] screen. The William Scream is much
[7:59] older, if I'm not wrong. I don't think it's from the 60s,
[8:01] from the 60s, OK. I believe it's from the 30s.
[8:05] OK. This is a movie from the 60s.
[8:08] Is it The Graduate? No.
[8:11] And it gave rise to a specific genre of film.
[8:14] Wait, is it like A Black's placation film?
[8:17] No specific genre of film, which would be impossible in the 60s
[8:20] and the 70s. OK, I need a clue.
[8:23] You'll have to give me some kind of clue because I am completely
[8:26] clueless over here. Let me give you a very
[8:28] straightforward clue. This is a movie from the 1968
[8:31] and the director's name is George.
[8:36] Wait, this is George Romero. This is a zombie movie, Night of
[8:39] the Living Dead. It is Night of the Living Dead.
[8:43] Are you kidding me? It didn't have a copyright
[8:45] notice. Night of the Living Dead did not
[8:47] have a copyright notice. Oh my God.
[8:51] So this came up while I was just going through some of the
[8:53] questions from previous episode and I realized that.
[8:57] This is a beautiful question and I could not let it pass.
[9:00] Even though Halloween special Wow previous episode, I have to
[9:03] include it here. That is just bonkers.
[9:06] So they must have had like a huge financial loss right?
[9:09] Because this copyright would have allowed them to license
[9:12] their images and other things. They could have made a lot of
[9:15] money from it. I am not sure as to whether they
[9:19] recuperated the cost or they made a profit.
[9:21] If they actually were in a loss, I have no idea.
[9:23] I'll have to do some research on that.
[9:24] I'll probably include that in the Fact Check.
[9:27] But this is something that did affect their revenue for sure.
[9:32] Having said that, it was a classic.
[9:35] It was immediately well received and a box office hit, so it
[9:41] might still have recovered its course, I'm not quite sure.
[9:45] And it also has survived the test of time in Light of the
[9:48] Living Dead is considered iconic in the genre of horror films.
[9:53] And the type of movie that it originated, as you rightly said,
[9:56] was the zombie film. Because the modern rendition of
[9:59] what a zombie is, the first iteration of that in a film was
[10:03] in Night of the Living Dead, I believe.
[10:05] Last episode we discussed literature and that was the book
[10:08] I Am Legend, in which the modern zombie appeared.
[10:11] But in a film format, it was Night of the Living Dead that
[10:15] the modern zombie came. Oh, nice, nice.
[10:18] Very nice. I'll stick with pop culture in a
[10:21] slightly different fashion. Have you heard of Lazanne Parish
[10:25] Crooks? I have not.
[10:28] OK, so Lazanne Parish Crooks attended the Baltimore School
[10:32] for the Arts, where he studied acting, poetry, jazz and ballet.
[10:37] He performed in Shakespeare's plays as the Mouse King Role and
[10:41] the Mouse King role in The Nutcracker Ballet.
[10:43] According to a 2014 Rolling Stone article, Lazanne
[10:48] reportedly audition to play Jedi Master Mace Windu in the 1999
[10:53] movie Star Wars One, the epic Phantom Menace, a role that
[10:56] subsequently went to Samuel Jackson.
[10:59] You may not have heard of Lezanne Parrish Crooks because
[11:02] his mother renamed him when he was just a year old.
[11:05] Who am I talking about? How do we better know Lezan
[11:08] Parrish Crook? So an actor who was active
[11:14] during the 90s and the 2000s. So he attended.
[11:18] Yeah. So he attended the Baltimore
[11:19] School of Act in the early 90s, late 80s and early 90s, where he
[11:23] studied acting, poetry, jazz and ballet, and auditioned to play
[11:27] Jedi Master Meswindu in the 1999 movie Star Wars Episode One, The
[11:32] Phantom Menace. No, I actually do not know.
[11:35] I don't have any clue. OK, my first clue would be that
[11:39] this is not an actor. Even though he may have studied
[11:41] acting, poetry, jazz music and ballet, he is known for a
[11:45] different kind of performing art.
[11:47] Is it a singer? Yes.
[11:50] What genre of music? Hip hop?
[11:53] Hip hop from the 90s? Is it Anybody from the N.W.A?
[11:59] No. But you you said not an actor,
[12:01] so I'm guessing it's not Will Smith also.
[12:06] Nope. I'll give you one more clue.
[12:09] Last two first question is that, as I mentioned, you may not have
[12:13] heard of Lezanne Parrish Crooks because his mother renamed him
[12:15] when he was just a year old. She renamed him after a
[12:19] descendant of the last Incan ruler, the Incas.
[12:23] So she named him after a descendant of the last Incan
[12:26] ruler. OK, since you said hip hop, I
[12:29] think it is not too far a stretch to just ask.
[12:32] Is he black? Is the black man that we're
[12:35] talking about? Yes, it is.
[12:37] It is an African American, yes. OK, an African American man, or
[12:41] I think more correctly, politically, correctly, it would
[12:44] be said to he's a person of color.
[12:46] Person of color? OK, I It's going to make a wild
[12:50] guess. Is it by any chance Tupac?
[12:54] It is Tupac Shakur. OK, well, that was a wild guess,
[12:59] but cool. I didn't know that.
[13:01] Yeah, so Tupac Shakur was born Lezanne Parish Crooks.
[13:05] He studied acting, poetry, jazz and ballet at the Baltimore
[13:09] School of Arts, where he was known to perform in
[13:12] Shakespeare's play and played the Mouse King in The Nutcracker
[13:15] Ballet. He was his mother had named,
[13:19] renamed him when he was one year old, to Tupac Shakur from Tupac
[13:24] Amaru, who was the last of the indigenous rulers of the Inca.
[13:27] Yeah, and according to 2014 Rolling Stones article, before
[13:31] his death, while the movie was still in the initial phases,
[13:36] apparently he had auditioned to play the role of Mace Windu,
[13:41] which I think would have been a very different interpretation if
[13:44] Tupac had played it compared to what Michael Samuel Jackson did.
[13:48] No purple lightsaber for one. Probably, but also I would have
[13:52] loved to see Mace Windu drop some bars.
[13:55] Just, yeah. Rap, rap.
[13:57] At the final battle, that would be cool.
[14:01] So yeah, so that's Lazen Parish Crooks, AKA Tupac Shakur.
[14:05] Very cool. I was tempted when you said it's
[14:08] not Bill Smith. I'm like it's not Will Smith,
[14:09] but Will Smith is kind of connected.
[14:14] Oh my God, that has flooded social media to an unnecessary
[14:20] extent. I don't know why I know so much
[14:23] about Jada Pinkett Smith. Like, I would be very happy not
[14:26] knowing all these. I concur completely.
[14:32] We know way too much about these people.
[14:34] They should really keep their private lives private.
[14:37] Yeah, and like Dupac was your soul mate.
[14:41] I mean, great. But like, honestly, who asked
[14:44] this, these people as to who our soul mate was?
[14:49] Nobody has expressed interest. Oh well, I guess that's what
[14:54] happens when you're exposed to media for so long.
[14:57] Just start craving attention. Eventually you make a podcast.
[15:01] It's a dark, dark path. I would warn Jada Pinkett Smith.
[15:08] It is a dark part that she's setting herself down on.
[15:12] I think it's a little presumptuous of us warning Jada
[15:16] Pinkett Smith, considering that you know where to.
[15:20] Nobody's who decided to make a podcast, and if nothing else,
[15:23] she's had a very successful acting career.
[15:26] She has. But has she ever met somebody at
[15:29] a random quiz event? Who?
[15:30] Who? Who has heard of her and has
[15:33] heard a podcast? I don't know.
[15:34] No, Maybe she hasn't. OK, for those who don't know,
[15:38] for those who don't know what he's talking about, Aditya is
[15:40] still on a high because he met somebody at a quiz event who
[15:44] told him, oh, I know you. You're the guy who runs the
[15:46] podcast, So yeah, And he listens to our podcast and this is
[15:49] somebody we don't know. So this is the first kind of
[15:52] listener interaction that Aditya has had and he's still on the
[15:55] high for that. And I wouldn't fault him.
[15:58] I would be pretty chuffed myself.
[16:01] It it was a minor celebrity moment, but I also meant the
[16:05] dark path in the sense of you for one one time you decide to
[16:09] make a bad pun as a joke. And then you are just caught up
[16:14] in every single episode having to come up with a pun,
[16:17] scrambling 10 minutes before the episode recording, trying to
[16:20] find a pun to make. I revel in your misery every
[16:25] week. And that's why I want to very
[16:30] sincerely reach out to Jenna Vickett Smith and tell her that,
[16:33] listen, not worth it. Since we were talking about the
[16:38] 90s. I have a question for you,
[16:40] Vineet. OK.
[16:42] In December 1990, a spacecraft found evidence abundant gaseous
[16:49] oxygen, a widely distributed surface pigment with a sharp
[16:53] absorption edge in the red part of the visible spectrum, and
[16:57] atmospheric methane in extreme thermodynamic disequilibrium.
[17:04] These were very strongly suggestive indicators of
[17:09] potential life. Which spacecraft was this and
[17:14] which part of the Galaxy was it looking at?
[17:19] OK, which What's the time frame on this?
[17:21] This is a December 1990 observation, December 1990.
[17:28] Yeah. Can you describe that whole
[17:30] disequilibrium part again? The name of the spacecraft is.
[17:35] Might be a bit of a tough question, so I'll help you out
[17:38] with that if you don't know the answer.
[17:39] But no, no, let me, let me give it.
[17:41] Let me give it a crack first. Let me give it a crack first.
[17:43] Just Guy. I'm sorry, I'm.
[17:44] So yeah, you wanted me to describe that observation again,
[17:48] and I'll do so. It found evidence of abundant
[17:51] gaseous oxygen, a widely distributed surface pigment with
[17:55] a sharp absorption edge in the red part of the visible
[17:58] spectrum, and atmospheric methane in extreme thermodynamic
[18:03] disequilibrium. OK, Is this one of Saturn's
[18:06] moons or Jupiter's moons? No.
[18:08] OK, so this is 1990. What spacecraft did we have?
[18:15] The Hubble Space Telescope went up and had problems and was
[18:19] repaired in the mid 90s, I think 90 to 93.
[18:21] So I don't think this is the Hubble Space Telescope is.
[18:24] This it isn't. What spacecraft did we have out
[18:27] there at that time? Most of them, if I'm not
[18:31] mistaken, were sent to observe the moons of Jupiter, Saturn.
[18:38] We don't have any other interstellar probes out there
[18:41] except for Pioneer 10, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2, but I don't
[18:44] remember anything being described from their findings
[18:47] because by that time they would have reached the far edges of
[18:50] the outer of the solar system. Am I anywhere close?
[18:53] Not really. OK, so then that's not there.
[18:57] The Venera missions were too Venus, that was Russia, but that
[19:02] was in the 80s, right? That was not in the 90s.
[19:05] And this is an American operation.
[19:07] This is an American mission. OK, wow.
[19:11] This is spacecraft I've not heard of.
[19:12] This is this is extremely cool. OK, give me the clue.
[19:15] Give me the spacecraft name. It is Galileo.
[19:18] Wait, Galileo was to study Jupiter, right?
[19:22] Yes, but not the moons. I'm not sure of the exact
[19:27] mission parameters for Galileo. OK.
[19:29] I can look later, but Galileo is a spacecraft in question.
[19:33] So Galileo was tasked for Jupiter and Jupiter's bones, if
[19:39] I remember correctly. So then then the only thing I
[19:42] can think of when you're saying all of the other things is Mars
[19:45] on its way to Galileo. One of the ways to Jupiter had
[19:49] flew by Mars and said, hey, there's life on Mars.
[19:53] That would be a great guess, but no, it isn't the case.
[19:55] Oh, OK, this isn't Earth, right? This isn't going to be like
[19:59] Google Question where the spacecraft left and then it
[20:01] turned its camera back and like, hey, there's life on Earth.
[20:05] Well, in this case it is the answer.
[20:07] It is Earth. No kidding me.
[20:11] Carl Reagan. Carl Reagan suggested convince
[20:14] in fact NASA to try this particular experiment almost as
[20:18] a proof of concept, because they were searching for extra virtual
[20:21] life on other planets. So they wanted to see what
[20:24] happens if they did a similar search for a planet like Earth,
[20:27] and they realized that these parameters at least were
[20:30] fulfilled because, again, I repeat, abundant gaseous oxygen,
[20:35] a widely distributed surface pigment with the sharp
[20:37] absorption edge in the red part of the visible spectrum, and
[20:40] atmospheric methane in extreme thermodynamic disequilibrium.
[20:44] Moreover, the presence of narrow band pulsed amplitude modulated
[20:48] radio transmission seems uniquely attributable to
[20:53] intelligence and this is a little experiment that Carl
[20:57] Sagan convinced NASA to conduct and there is actually a
[21:01] scientific paper that was published talking about this
[21:04] very experiment that Galileo or the spacecraft did.
[21:09] Oh, that's a nice question. You really put a Google on me,
[21:13] right? Nice.
[21:14] I appreciate it. OK, I'm going to ask another
[21:16] question to you. This is something related to
[21:20] linguistics. Have you heard of the language
[21:23] of Barbarum? No, I have not.
[21:26] Yeah, no, obviously it would be very surprising if you had,
[21:29] because it's an extinct Australian Aboriginal language
[21:32] of North Queensland. To any listeners who may know
[21:35] how this actually pronounced, excuse me, I'm just going by
[21:39] what I think it's pronounced like, so I may very well be
[21:42] wrong. So RMW Dixon was a linguist who
[21:46] described his hunt for a native speaker of Mabram in his book
[21:50] called Searching for Aboriginal Languages.
[21:53] Memoirs of a Field Worker Most of what we know about the
[21:56] language is from Dixon's field research.
[21:59] Barbarum is famous in linguistic circles for an incident that
[22:04] happened when Dixon was researching the language.
[22:08] When Dixon asked a native what the Barbarum word for dog was,
[22:13] there was a classic back and forth.
[22:16] Who's on first kind of back and forth before they realized that
[22:18] there was no misunderstanding. But what is the Barbarum word
[22:21] for dog? Sorry.
[22:23] What is the time frame for this? Time frame is not particularly
[22:26] important, but let's say it is the 20th century.
[22:29] Can you repeat the context in which this conversation
[22:31] happened? So he was, he was basically
[22:33] found a native speaker of the language and he was compiling
[22:37] his like he was studying the language.
[22:40] So when he asked the native what the Barbarum word for dog was,
[22:42] and there was a classic back and forth before they realized that
[22:45] there was no misunderstanding. And this made this particular
[22:48] language quite famous in linguistic circles.
[22:51] Does it have to do anything with the dog's bark?
[22:53] Was it like something that sounded like a dog's bark?
[22:56] No, no, this is very simple. Is it Barbarum itself?
[23:00] No, but you are getting closer. Like the idea is quite close.
[23:06] Would it be Dog? That would be strange.
[23:09] No, it is. That's the whole
[23:11] misunderstanding. The Barbarum word for dog is
[23:14] dog. So this is a million in one
[23:18] occurrence. That can happen because we're
[23:20] talking about the English obviously is a language which is
[23:23] part of the Indo European group of languages, which was in
[23:25] Europe, right? And then you have the Australian
[23:28] Aborigines who've been completely isolated from the
[23:33] rest of the world for millions of years.
[23:36] And the Aboriginal people, it's a they developed their own
[23:38] language completely independent of everybody else.
[23:41] So it is 1,000,000 to one chance.
[23:43] That you end up with the same word with the same meaning,
[23:46] describing the same thing and almost pronounced exactly the
[23:49] same way. So the English word for dog
[23:52] comes from the Old English doga and we get dog from that.
[23:56] And the babaram word for dog comes from the Proto Pama Nugan
[24:01] language, which is, in which it is Gudaga.
[24:04] Gudaga became dog. So when he was researching this,
[24:10] it was the same kind of, you know, who's on first kind of
[24:12] thing. What's your word for dog, Dog.
[24:15] Dog, Dog. Wait, dog, Dog.
[24:18] That is quite hilarious and that's quite cool.
[24:22] OK, but interestingly enough dog seems like such a huge
[24:26] coincidence. But there would be other words
[24:27] which are I imagine more straightforward and and I would
[24:32] imagine something like even father and mother and it's
[24:35] version of Papa and Mama OK and Ma or whatever these versions
[24:40] are would make a lot more sense, perhaps because these are
[24:43] easiest sounds to pronounce for a baby, so it would make sense
[24:47] for that to be common across languages.
[24:50] But something like dog is such a funny coincidence because dog is
[24:53] not something any infant needs to learn right off the bat.
[24:59] So that's another thing when I was reading this up.
[25:01] So many if you look at languages which are in the which had
[25:04] exposure to each other. Like in between Asia and Europe
[25:10] for example, even the Southeast Asian and other languages, the
[25:13] there are certain consonants which are associated with
[25:17] certain words like Mom, ma, mom, right.
[25:20] The word MO or the content MO is quite associated with that.
[25:24] But if you look at the Aboriginal languages right, it
[25:27] sometimes is BB, sometimes is Badhinan, sometimes is Nagamba.
[25:32] Right, so it's that's a completely different that shows
[25:36] you how strange, or at least how far away or in the language
[25:41] evolution tree these languages are.
[25:44] Which makes it even more fascinating that suddenly just
[25:48] one word turned out to be exactly the same in modern
[25:51] English as it is in their language.
[25:55] That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
[25:57] And I imagine dogs were part of human society from a very early
[26:00] point, so. Yeah, they they branched out
[26:03] from wolves quite early. Very interesting.
[26:08] Speaking of actually babies and 1st words, this is something I
[26:12] recently saw on of all places and Instagram really.
[26:17] So this is not verified information, but you can try it
[26:21] out if you're an expecting parent or if you have just had a
[26:24] newborn child. If you are trying to get a child
[26:28] to say their first word and you are their father perhaps, and
[26:31] you're competing with the mother and you want the child to say
[26:35] your name before they say before the child says the mother's
[26:37] name, try going for Papa more than Dada or daddy because the
[26:41] dare sound is much suffer to make than the poor sound.
[26:45] So Papa and you might win that race if that's the objective,
[26:51] yeah. But I'm guessing that Mama is
[26:53] easier. Might be, might be.
[26:55] But yeah, the key to winning that race is just repetition.
[27:00] So just constantly keep saying Popeye in front of that, maybe
[27:04] all the freaking time, and eventually they're going to.
[27:09] Meet with you, Devious. Devious.
[27:13] So, inspired by that devious little bonus fact, here's
[27:19] another little piece of trivia which has a very strange origin.
[27:25] Apple 3 computer was marred with a lot of technical difficulties.
[27:31] This was right after Apple Two had come out and Apple two was a
[27:35] massive success. But there were users, especially
[27:40] business users, who wanted more features which Apple Two did not
[27:44] offer and hence Apple Three was released.
[27:47] Apple three, however, suffered because it had unreasonable
[27:52] demands from Steve Jobs and demands like he did not want the
[27:55] design to look clunky or ugly. As Steve Jobs was known to be a
[28:00] massive design head, he wanted it to look very sleek and
[28:05] beautiful, so he did not want any vents on the computer.
[28:10] Instead, they tried to design a heat sink to absorb all the heat
[28:13] when the computer was running. So all of these issues were
[28:17] creating problems for the users of Apple three, including the
[28:21] employees of Apple itself. One of these engineers, Daniel
[28:26] Kottke, got so annoyed that he decided to do something which
[28:32] eventually Apple realized might help the other users who are
[28:36] also facing similar issues. What was it that became an
[28:39] official recommendation by Apple 3?
[28:43] Customer support for any customer who called in with
[28:46] similar issues that was discovered by Daniel Cort K when
[28:51] he was annoyed so. This is still related with the
[28:54] temperature the computer running hot indirectly I would not say
[28:57] directly related to it, but it was one of the issues that was
[29:01] causing problems. And he found a solution.
[29:04] So OK, I'm trying to just narrow it down.
[29:07] If it's a solution with temperature, then I have to
[29:08] start thinking of ways to do that.
[29:13] Yeah, but that's what I mean. Like it it was not a direct
[29:16] temperature related issue. OK, I'll explain later how, but
[29:19] it is indirectly related. I have no clue what this is
[29:24] about. I can't remember exactly what
[29:27] the Apple three with the The Apple three wasn't the one with
[29:30] the bright colors, right? No.
[29:33] No. OK.
[29:35] So this is until the early 80s and the mid 80s then, right.
[29:37] OK. Yes, Apple Three was in 1980.
[29:41] Yeah, so yeah, this is the the boxy one.
[29:45] Oh wait, is this was the Apple three The one where the Apple
[29:49] released the mouse? I'm not sure.
[29:52] I don't think so, but I can check.
[29:55] Because I know that IBM engineers developed the mouse,
[29:58] but Apple I think licensed it from them and released it with
[30:01] their computers. Xerox employees are the ones who
[30:05] came up with it. No, sorry, Xerox, Not IBM.
[30:07] Sorry. Xerox, yes.
[30:09] OK, OK, I you'll have to give me some kind of clue on this.
[30:11] I am completely stamped, so here's where I'll give you the
[30:16] connection to the heating issue, because there wasn't proper heat
[30:19] dissipation because there were no fans or vents.
[30:24] The computer magazine Bite reported in 1982 that without
[30:27] proper heat dissipation, the apple three's integrated
[30:31] circuits tended to wander out of their sockets.
[30:35] Oh, wait, did he did he ask him to whack the computer on the top
[30:38] of the bar? It was like, just whack it.
[30:39] Putt, putt, putt To put the chips back in place.
[30:44] I'll give it to you because what Daniel Kotke did when he was
[30:47] very frustrated in one of these occasions, he picked up his
[30:50] apple tree and he slammed it down on the desk out of
[30:53] frustration. Oh OK, surprise.
[30:56] The computer jumped back to life.
[30:59] So Apple support engineers for quite a while would recommend
[31:04] that any user facing problems with the Apple three should lift
[31:07] the computer 2 inches and drop it, as this would set the
[31:10] circuits back in place. OK.
[31:14] So I'm just trying to imagine one of their customer care calls
[31:17] at the time I'm having problems with, OK, Have you tried turning
[31:20] it off and turning it on again? Yes.
[31:23] Have you tried picking it up and dropping it down again?
[31:29] And then you'll be like, did I prank call myself?
[31:32] Like who's this that's. That's nice.
[31:38] That's nice. OK, OK, I see you.
[31:41] So let's take a hard left in two movies.
[31:46] Indian kind of very indie specialist movies, right?
[31:50] Filmmaker Utpal Borjapuri. His fam Assamese feature film
[31:54] issue. Is based on the Assamese writer
[31:58] Muni Kuntala Bhattacharya's novel with the same name.
[32:02] It won the National Film Award for Best Feature Film in
[32:04] Assamese. What's ironic is that even
[32:07] though issue is quite obviously a work of fiction, it draws
[32:11] inspiration from very real incidents that happen in the
[32:14] remote parts of Assam and Meghalaya and displays it from
[32:17] the viewpoint of a child. Can you tell me what outlawed
[32:20] practice does it depict, from a child's viewpoint, the hunting
[32:25] of the 100 Noceros? No, You're thinking
[32:28] environmental. I would say cultural.
[32:30] Think cultural culture, superstition, that kind of
[32:33] thing. This question would be very at
[32:35] home in our previous episode. Oh OK, so I'm going to take a
[32:40] wild guess. Does it have anything to do with
[32:42] black magic or? Closer.
[32:46] Closer. You're warm.
[32:47] Very warm. Outlawed practice, I don't think
[32:50] anywhere there's any. Statute in the Indian Penal Code
[32:53] which outlaws black magic? Fair enough.
[32:58] What is that subset of black magic which has to do with in
[33:03] removing the evil spirit in a very violent way?
[33:07] Exorcisms. Well, exorcisms would be the
[33:09] English word for it. I'm trying to think of an Hindi
[33:12] or an Indian word. No, this is Asamis.
[33:14] So this is not particularly related.
[33:16] I'm I I wouldn't focus on that. Basically, let's say it's got
[33:20] the it's got to do with the persecution of certain people.
[33:23] Oh, interesting. And it's indirectly related to
[33:26] your black magic. Guess.
[33:29] Does it have to do with the persecution of witches?
[33:33] Quote UN quote Witches. Yes, you're right.
[33:36] It is modern day witch hunts. They still happen in Assam,
[33:41] Meghalayan parts of the northeast where people, women,
[33:43] are accused of being witches and unsavory things happened to them
[33:48] after that. And this movie is based on a
[33:51] child's viewpoint of that kind of, you know, incidents
[33:54] happening modern day witch hunts still do occur.
[33:58] Very cool. So, well, let us move on to
[34:02] something which doesn't have anything to do with the previous
[34:06] question. So I do not have a segue for
[34:07] you, but do you know what 1337 stands for?
[34:13] Are you? Trying to get me arrested?
[34:16] Oh no, I I don't know what what illegal activity you are
[34:21] thinking of, but in my case it has nothing to do.
[34:24] With I was thinking of pirating, you know, pirating of videos and
[34:28] things like that. Used to be a torrent website by
[34:38] the name of 1337, if I'm not mistaken.
[34:41] Oh, that makes a lot of sense then, because that would be a
[34:45] very good clue as to where I'm headed with this question.
[34:49] OK, I didn't know that, but yes, that's wonderful.
[34:52] That works out. What do you think it has to do
[34:58] with? Oh, that's the that's the
[35:00] entirety of the question. What do you know?
[35:01] OK, what what is 1337? OK, I thought there was more to
[35:04] it. I thought there was more to
[35:04] follow. Up.
[35:07] Huge awkward silence, but I'm just waiting for the rest of the
[35:10] question. You know what?
[35:12] Usually we would eliminate the silences, but in this scenario I
[35:15] would be happy to leave that silence at just yeah, even the
[35:18] listeners that not sure whether their Internet has stopped
[35:20] working the accident. Yeah.
[35:24] OK now, so yeah, OK. Wow, 1337.
[35:27] I don't. I've never actually wondered why
[35:29] the website was called 1337 to anyone, any law enforcement
[35:33] personal listening. I have no connection with that
[35:36] website. I just know of it purely
[35:38] academic. All of this is purely academic.
[35:41] Yeah, purely academic interest. 1/3 I'm guessing.
[35:44] Is it like one of those number codes for with with numbers of
[35:48] letters in a phrase or something like we had, We were in school,
[35:51] kids used to write 143 for I Love You and all those things.
[35:55] You know what? You're not too far off.
[35:57] The numbers do refer to letters, yes.
[36:00] Oh, OK, not in the exact same way as 143 Which equation I love
[36:05] you, but it does have a connection to letters.
[36:09] So then maybe a CCGC, The 3rd letter is a CCG.
[36:16] No OK Nope Nope. I need to clue OK have you?
[36:22] And these are various phrases from, I guess, this particular
[36:26] kind of language. So what 1337 refers to is a type
[36:30] of language or a type of a way of speaking, And I'll give you
[36:35] examples of this way of speaking.
[36:37] Do you know if P0? RNP 0RN it's like Bond.
[36:44] That would be a classic example because P0RN OK so.
[36:49] The zero for O0. OK.
[36:53] So then in that case 1337 would be B37 or 1BB7 or IBB 7.
[37:02] So don't think of it as a direct correlation, like you won't get
[37:05] it directly from that. My point is more of like this is
[37:08] an example of where. So if you know where P0RN is
[37:12] used, you'd be closer to figuring out what 1337 is in the
[37:16] context of. You're talking about Internet
[37:18] chat rooms, right? Most of the time 110 and 410,
[37:21] yes. So that is that is that is what
[37:23] it is called. Yeah.
[37:25] It actually started in the 1980s when users of computer bulletin
[37:28] board systems would shorten words.
[37:32] It the word YOUU would become the letter U or ARE the word R
[37:36] would become the letter R So these were different parts of
[37:41] Internet lingo. So you're right, 1337 was that
[37:44] kind of a thing. Now I'm looking for the exact
[37:46] name, and that is where the crux of the question is.
[37:50] And here the other examples like porn became P0RN or own.
[37:54] Like when you own somebody or you own somebody in a game
[37:57] became PWN porn. Porn porn, Yeah.
[38:01] And that was because in the QWERTY keyboard, the O and the P
[38:03] are very close to each other. So type, order end up resulting
[38:06] in a PWN. OK.
[38:09] Yeah. You'll have to either put me out
[38:11] of my misery or give me some clue that even a dummy would
[38:14] understand. OK, I'll give you the answer,
[38:16] but tell me what the connect is then.
[38:18] What is 1337 called? It was also referred to as lead
[38:23] speak. Lead speak.
[38:25] Why I I've heard live lead speak Delete Speaker.
[38:28] Wait. What?
[38:29] Is something where you're deleting Certain?
[38:31] No. What?
[38:32] What is it? Not really.
[38:34] You're getting a bit colder. So lead speak is what 1337
[38:38] referred to. OK, any just give me the answer.
[38:42] I think I'm gonna get next. OK, fine.
[38:44] I'll help you out over here. Lead.
[38:47] The L would become seven upside down, the three would become an
[38:51] E upside down and the one would become ATF.
[38:53] Oh God. OK, OK.
[38:56] And lead is similar to how a lot of these abbreviations and words
[38:59] were shortened. It came from elite.
[39:02] So Elite, if you were an Elite user, you would be using Elite
[39:05] speak, which is why you would be using 1337 and 1337 became a way
[39:10] of referring to lead speaker, Elite speak and Internet chat
[39:14] rooms. OK, I don't know if this
[39:16] inspired it or if this was inspired by science fiction, but
[39:20] if you read a lot of these science fiction novels set in
[39:23] the future, they always have this kind of language changes
[39:27] happening where everything is shortened and consonants and
[39:30] vowels are removed and. The kind of thing.
[39:33] I'm not sure. I can't like place exactly
[39:35] where, but I think a few William Gibson's novels and a few others
[39:37] as well. You have this kind of made-up
[39:39] terminology, which I've always thought felt like it was
[39:42] something from an Internet chat room.
[39:44] So I would be very interested to know if this inspired the
[39:47] science fiction or science fiction inspired this.
[39:50] That's a good question. I I wouldn't be quite sure.
[39:54] I wouldn't make a guess either ways without reading a bit more
[39:57] about this. But yeah, each week is
[39:59] considered very common. Perhaps users today, power users
[40:03] of the Internet today, might not use it anymore simply because
[40:07] even on games like Pub G and other online games, you have the
[40:10] ability to send audio messages. And that's how people usually
[40:13] interact with their fellow users, fellow gamers.
[40:16] But back in the day when you didn't have the bandwidth to
[40:19] have audio messages, you would use Lead Speak to be able to
[40:22] call somebody a noob. But instead of using the word
[40:24] noob, you would say N00B. 00B which which is just unnecessary.
[40:30] I feel like it takes the same amount of effort to type O as it
[40:34] does to type A0, so what's the point?
[40:38] Yeah, but well it does help in other cases where like say if
[40:42] you want to call somebody and ask, you would type a double SA.
[40:47] Double sign, Dollar sign. Yeah, you would do.
[40:50] Add the rate symbol and the dollar sign, dollar sign and
[40:53] then yes or, or if you were to use the profanity, as somebody
[40:59] might call it, shit, you would the dollar sign and then you
[41:02] would use the hash symbol. Then you would the exclamation
[41:05] mark and the plus symbol. Oh, this is too much work.
[41:08] Too much work? Well, if you really wanted to
[41:12] curse somebody back in the day, you had to put in the effort
[41:15] beneath. Which meant that if you were
[41:16] cursed online on a on a page or a chat group back in the day,
[41:21] you must have really pissed somebody off because they had to
[41:24] put in a lot of effort. Yeah, we just used all caps.
[41:26] I remember we just used all caps if you wanted to scream at
[41:28] somebody. Yeah.
[41:31] And no stars or hashtags either. We just use the words true,
[41:36] true, true the back in the day this was the case, but just to
[41:40] be clear, lead speak is not to be confused with SMS speak,
[41:43] which was slightly later in origin and that's where you
[41:47] started seeing things like instead of the word FOR 4 you
[41:52] would use the number four or into the word 2 EO you would use
[41:56] the number two. So SMS speak, while it sounds
[42:00] very similar to lead speak, is slightly different and this is
[42:03] where it comes from. It comes from the origins in
[42:06] chat rooms and, back in the day, online gaming.
[42:10] Very nice, very nice. I think that was the last
[42:13] question for today, but we still have Aditya your question for
[42:18] next week. So my question for this week
[42:21] would be based off of your question about the word for dog
[42:26] being the same in an Aboriginal language in Australia and in
[42:29] English. What word should ideally have
[42:33] been the same in, let's say, any Indian language?
[42:38] Name an Indian language we need. OK, let's say Telugu love that.
[42:44] OK, Telugu is our language of choice.
[42:47] And English. So if there was a word that
[42:49] should have been common between Telugu and English, and
[42:52] unfortunately isn't, what word would that be?
[42:55] And the answer to that will be revealed in next week's episode
[42:58] by when I will learn Telugu, apparently because I do not see
[43:02] any Telugu right now. I don't know why I'm doing this
[43:05] to myself, but I am. OK, I actually mentioned Telugu
[43:08] because most people now, when they do see South Indian movies,
[43:12] it's usually a Telugu movie. So I gave, I made, I said Telugu
[43:16] so that it might be easier for you to know.
[43:18] It might be difficult. OK, fair enough, Fair enough.
[43:21] We are. We await your answer for next
[43:23] week. We shall all collectively find
[43:25] out next week, yes. So let me just run out today's
[43:29] episode with the answer to the audience question that I had
[43:32] asked at the beginning of the episode.
[43:33] Inspired from the Kannada blockbuster Ratha Saptami in
[43:36] 1986, which in turn was based on a Kannada novel of the same
[43:40] name, This movie went on to earn 800 million of the box office.
[43:44] It also for some for some time held the record for most awards
[43:47] won by a feature film. Which movie are we talking
[43:50] about? Yeah, I don't know.
[43:52] No idea. So I'll give you the plot of
[43:56] Ratha Saptami. Right, let's see if you can
[43:58] guess from that. There is an interval twist in
[44:01] Rasa Saptami, where the hero supposedly dies in an accident,
[44:05] and the second-half of the movie where the heroine is sent out of
[44:09] her hometown to her uncle's place in order to overcome her
[44:11] depression. But is Shell shocked to find a
[44:14] look alike in a vehicle nearby and later later catches A
[44:18] glimpse of him again in a discotheque?
[44:21] Is this? Yes, it is.
[44:25] Kahuna Pyar. Very interesting.
[44:29] You know what my favorite part of Kahuna Pyar is?
[44:32] The fact that she's in New Zealand, I believe, when she
[44:37] goes, yeah, in the second-half of the film, yeah.
[44:41] Amisha Patel. And for some reason there is a
[44:44] club called Club Indiana over there.
[44:47] Has never made any sense to me. Like, worth it.
[44:51] Trying to make it sound like it is Club India but like.
[44:55] There are a lot of places in New Zealand which are named after
[44:58] British Indian officials. So who knows?
[45:01] Yeah, maybe. But given that almost everybody
[45:04] in Club Indiana was Indian, I I don't know if it was just
[45:10] Indians decided that, hey, listen this, the name of this
[45:14] place has India and it. So let's all go clubbing over
[45:16] there. I don't know why I'm trying to
[45:17] find logic in a 2000s film, all out blockbuster Bollywood film,
[45:24] but I was always very amused by the fact that there was a club
[45:26] Indiana which was filled with Indians in New Zealand.
[45:29] Like, none of these things geographically make any sense,
[45:32] but it was the case. It was the case and for people
[45:37] who will watch South Indian movies or who've recently
[45:39] watched some few blockbuster movies, if you remember the
[45:44] movie Jailer. Where there was an incredible
[45:47] cameo by two other South Indian artists, One was Mohanlal and
[45:51] the other one was Shivraj Kumar. Shivraj Kumar is the hero of
[45:56] Rata Saptami, so it's one of his earlier movies.
[46:00] So it's if you're interested, see if you can find the
[46:03] streaming version. I could not find one, but if you
[46:06] could possibly, it's great. You might be able to see Shivraj
[46:09] Kumar and his prime. Very cool.
[46:12] Is that also a recommendation for the week?
[46:15] No, not not my recommendation for the week.
[46:17] My recommendation for the week is actually a podcast called
[46:21] Noble Blood, OK? So they do a wide variety of
[46:26] episodes, but mainly on which I found the they focus on stories
[46:31] about, you know, noble people and people are from royal
[46:34] descent or you know, something that is captured the public
[46:37] imagination, that particular a particular period of history and
[46:41] it almost always revolves around the death.
[46:43] Or a pretender to the throne or something.
[46:44] It's got a wide variety of episodes.
[46:46] It covers a lot of different things, but Noble blood I
[46:49] really, I really enjoyed the the podcast.
[46:52] They have a long catalogue of episodes, so it's if you are
[46:55] interested in binging it, you have enough for weeks and weeks
[46:58] at an end. Very cool.
[47:01] OK, yeah. So my recommendation for the
[47:02] week is Super Deluxe. And I was reminded because
[47:06] there's a question about aliens and whatnot and well, a great
[47:11] iconic film in Night of the Living Dead.
[47:12] And somehow I found Super Deluxe to be very iconic and it is on
[47:16] Netflix I believe. So if you haven't checked out
[47:18] Super Deluxe, especially those movie viewers from North India
[47:23] who who don't watch a lot of South Indian cinema, I would
[47:28] seriously recommend trying it out.
[47:29] It's it's a great, great film. I love Super Deluxe.
[47:33] That's what I kept keep telling everybody.
[47:35] Don't fear the subtitle. Embrace the subtitle it is.
[47:40] It opens up a huge, you know, arena of movies and other
[47:44] content that you normally wouldn't be exposed to.
[47:48] A friend of mine is actually he conducts plays.
[47:52] He writes plays and in Bangalore, so that he made this
[47:56] mystery play set 100 years ago in the past.
[47:59] And they had subtitles for the play, which I found was
[48:03] fascinating because apparently the vast majority's audience who
[48:06] turned up were people who were non Malayalis.
[48:09] Which I think is great because the that's the way you can
[48:12] spread around stories and you know, just be open to the
[48:15] subtitle actually wrote. I find that to be a very great
[48:18] point to also recommend something which is kind of
[48:21] personal, personally related to me.
[48:23] A friend of mine from Singapore who lives in Mumbai now is a
[48:29] theatre director and writer and he is staging one of his plays
[48:33] from Mumbai back in Singapore and it's called Fistful of
[48:37] Rupees. And the interesting part is like
[48:42] it has very minimal dialogue in Hindi but it the context of it
[48:47] is beautiful enough that I think it crosses boundaries and
[48:50] languages very easily. I have also had the experience
[48:54] personally of performing in plays in Singapore, which were
[48:57] in Hindi. And we did use subtitles.
[49:00] But instead of subtitles they were called subtitles because
[49:03] they were on the top, projected onto a black screen but right at
[49:07] the top. So it didn't interfere with the
[49:09] yeah, it didn't interfere with the acting that was happening,
[49:12] but the subtitles would appear right at the top of that black
[49:15] projection. And that made for a fun viewing
[49:19] experience for people who wanted to watch it but did not speak
[49:22] any Hindi. So I have been part of this
[49:24] place. And yes, you are right, Do not
[49:27] fear that a few inches of text on your screen.
[49:30] It is indeed going to open a whole new world to you.
[49:33] And with that, we end the episode for day.
[49:37] That's all for our episode for this today.
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