# Episode 042 - Witches, Werewolves & Halloween

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 30 Oct 2023, 54 min.

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Do you know what a fungus which grows on moldy rye bread has to do with the Salem witch triasl? Do you know which music video revitalized the music video inudstry in general and MTV specifically in the early 80s? Do you know which ancient Celtic festival inspired Halloween? Tune in to find out! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com

## Transcript

[0:01] Welcome to RU Quizzing Me. I'm Vineet Nayer with my Co host
[0:05] Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia
[0:07] podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into
[0:10] history, science, sport, pop culture and so much more desk
[0:13] and cuisine. And we're back for a very
[0:19] special Halloween episode, our very first of what I hope will
[0:24] be a tradition that we can follow in years to come.
[0:26] Today's episode will deal exclusively with questions that
[0:29] deal with the horrifying, the terrifying and downright spooky
[0:34] things of all natures, serial killers, vampires, ghouls,
[0:38] werewolves, legends, urban legends.
[0:42] So all of today's questions will be dealing with that.
[0:45] And who better than your two best trivia hounds, creatures of
[0:50] the night, if I do say so myself, because I don't remember
[0:54] a single time where we've recorded before a bit night.
[0:57] So I don't think there's anybody better than us to bring this
[1:00] episode to you. Before we get to Aditya's
[1:04] question from last week, I have a question for our audience.
[1:10] This plant has long been associated with witchcraft and
[1:14] is featured in druidic ceremonies across Britain.
[1:17] Historian Dias Carides called it a sacred herb, and in Roman
[1:21] society it was regarded as a cure.
[1:23] All Roman soldiers carried it when travelling in foreign
[1:26] countries to protect them from sorcery.
[1:28] Roman women used it as a love portion, and in classical times
[1:33] it was worn as a Garland to ward off the plague.
[1:36] Do you know what plant I'm talking about?
[1:38] And to break with tradition, I'm going to give you a hint.
[1:42] If you are a fan of The Vampire Diaries, you already know the
[1:45] answer, so I'll reveal the answer to this question at the
[1:49] end of the episode. Now let's get to Aditya and his
[1:53] unenviable task of finding an answer to a random question that
[1:57] he asks every week. So Aditya, what was your
[1:59] question and what's the answer? So the question that I asked
[2:03] was, if the Indian economy tanks, what is something that
[2:08] you can put on the bank note or the currency note that would
[2:13] potentially help recover from that economic catastrophe?
[2:18] And I realize the answer is very simple, very straightforward.
[2:23] It would be the picture of Gopal Ratnam Subramaniam.
[2:28] Are you familiar with Gopal Ratnam Subramaniam?
[2:30] The name does seem to ring a bell, though I can't place it
[2:33] right now. Vineet.
[2:35] That is the name of the very iconic director.
[2:39] Film director Mani Ratnam. Oh God.
[2:42] Mani Ratnam should be on the money of this country also.
[2:47] It it also makes sense in a weird way because the first to
[2:50] name is money, which in English obviously means you know, money.
[2:53] And Ratnam is basically a Sanskrit route for gemstones.
[2:58] So you have a guy who makes money from gemstones.
[3:01] My jokes are on multiple levels, Vineet.
[3:06] I don't even operate on a single level.
[3:07] It is on multiple levels, and those levels usually include the
[3:11] basement because it's right, They are important.
[3:16] OK, so now on to the spooky part of today's episode.
[3:20] So let's start off with Aditya, Spook Us.
[3:24] Aditya with your question. Oh, all right.
[3:28] Well, since I did mention The Basement, Basement reminds us of
[3:32] horror characters, iconic characters which are associated
[3:36] with horror films. And where better to see horror
[3:39] film characters than at Halloween?
[3:41] So it's a very simple question, Vineet.
[3:44] Can you name the top? Three most popular Halloween
[3:49] costumes for the year of 2023. Oh, the most common three?
[3:57] Halloween. Wait, wait.
[3:58] Halloween 2023 hasn't happened yet, but we are guessing.
[4:01] I'm guessing advanced sales. Yes, they are anticipating what
[4:04] the most common would be. This is from an article on
[4:07] Forbes. I obviously don't have any
[4:09] context for this, so I am just going to guess.
[4:13] Is Donald Trump one of them? No, Donald Trump is not one of
[4:17] them. Let me give you a hint.
[4:18] The first one would be considered a very iconic horror
[4:22] movie character, a generic horror movie character.
[4:25] A generic horror movie character would be a vampire, I'm
[4:28] guessing. That's number two.
[4:29] What would be #1? Wait, a vampire is not the most
[4:34] iconic? OK, so then the next one would
[4:37] then be a werewolf? Werewolf, I imagine is a lot
[4:41] more effort for somebody to lose.
[4:42] Is it a zombie? Zombie is not bad, I guess
[4:45] because it's number six, But no, it's not #1.
[4:48] What is #1? OK, OK, what's number one?
[4:50] What's #1? I think very very common.
[4:55] A sheet like a ghost. #9 ghost is #9 oh OK.
[5:01] This would more commonly be done by women.
[5:03] Mostly be done by women? By women.
[5:08] Are we talking about Vampirella? No think think more.
[5:13] Cackling laughter. Oh, a witch.
[5:17] A witch. Witch is #1, but I did ask you
[5:19] for three. So the first one is the witch,
[5:22] the second was a vampire. At number six I already
[5:24] mentioned there's a zombie and #9 there's a ghost.
[5:27] But coming back to the top three, what is #3?
[5:31] Oh, what could be #3? Classic horror?
[5:38] Is it like from a specific movie or are we talking something
[5:40] generic again? It is from a specific movie.
[5:43] It is a very specific character, but this number 3 is not exactly
[5:49] horror, it's from a specific movie.
[5:52] But. Specific movie that came out
[5:54] this year and not horror. OK, not horror because I was
[5:58] just OK. Is it Barbie?
[6:00] It is Barbie. Barbie is the third most popular
[6:03] costume for the year. Very well done.
[6:05] Very well done. And for some of the audience
[6:07] members who knew the answer right of the bat because they
[6:10] are the ones who are going to dress up as Barbie in the next
[6:13] few days, well, you are doing third most popular costume, at
[6:17] least in the United States of America.
[6:19] Yeah, the classic still work. The classics work at #1 and #2,
[6:23] but #3 is a good old Barbie. #4, interestingly, is Batman, which
[6:28] I'm very surprised by because Batman.
[6:31] Is not even this year. So it's an interesting choice,
[6:34] no? See, Batman is Evergreen.
[6:37] Batman is eternal. If there is any comic book
[6:40] character who's Evergreen, it should be the Green Lantern.
[6:42] And on that note, we need I passed the baton to you.
[6:47] What is your question? OK, I am going to go to
[6:52] something from history. Have you heard of Clavisip's
[6:56] Papura? I have not.
[6:58] OK good. I would be very surprised if you
[7:00] had. Clavisib's purpura is a fungus
[7:02] that grows on dry. It contains a large number of
[7:06] potent pharmacological agents in it called alkaloids or got
[7:09] Alkaloids. Consuming bread, especially rye
[7:13] bread, which is contaminated with ergot, causes something
[7:17] called as ergotism. There are two types of ergotism
[7:22] broadly gangrenous and convulsive.
[7:25] The former implies that is a dry gangrene on the limbs, and the
[7:28] latter that the convulsive type includes tingling in the skin,
[7:32] Vertigo, hallucinations and tinnitus.
[7:35] Tinnitus is a ringing in your ears.
[7:38] OK, all this basically has been the basis of a theory in a paper
[7:47] published in the 1970s about the effect of argot in the 17th
[7:54] century at a particular location where the fungus grew rapidly
[7:59] during the weather due to the weather.
[8:02] This theory was also used by Robin Cook in his 1995 medical
[8:09] thriller Acceptable Risk. So for what?
[8:16] Was advertism a possible explanation?
[8:21] Keep in mind this is a Halloween question, so think Halloweeny
[8:24] things. I'm inclined to say something
[8:27] along the lines of vampires or zombies.
[8:30] Oh no. Interestingly, there are certain
[8:33] diseases which can be mistaken for vampirism, right?
[8:39] Similarly, there are certain drugs which can be given to
[8:41] people which can make them living zombies.
[8:44] And not the brain eating part, but complete lack of affect and
[8:47] just doing things mindlessly, Yes.
[8:51] Speaking of actually vampires and zombies, it is said that the
[8:54] iconic. Modern day rendition of what a
[8:56] zombie is. The one of the first few
[8:59] instances of that happening in pop culture was I Am Legend,
[9:03] which is a fantastic book, which is a fantastic story.
[9:07] Interestingly, in that book the author uses the word vampire to
[9:10] refer to creatures which are very zombie like.
[9:13] If today they were portrayed on screen as they were and I'm
[9:16] Legend, you would recognize or you would qualify them as
[9:19] zombies. But he calls them vampires, and
[9:21] he gives a whole medical definition of.
[9:24] It being some vampire virus or bacteria virus?
[9:27] Yes, yes. Just speaking on the same topic,
[9:31] I love the ending of the book, not so much the movie.
[9:35] It is one of the best endings that I think I've ever read.
[9:38] Yes, I agree with you completely.
[9:40] And I don't want to give spoilers, but the last line and
[9:43] the last few lines are just oh, such chef's kiss moment.
[9:47] OK, but that brings you back to your question, because when you
[9:50] said our God and stuff, that's what I actually thought of.
[9:53] I was thinking of that book being such a iconic use of using
[9:56] medicine and and diseases to justify horror movie tropes, but
[10:01] clearly not vampires and zombies.
[10:03] So you said 17th century and there was something happening
[10:07] then 17th century. So basically this was used as
[10:10] Algertism is used as the basis of a possible explanation.
[10:14] There was something that happened in the 17th century at
[10:16] a particular across many locations, but in a specifically
[10:21] famous location, one specific famous location.
[10:26] And this is related to your saying Halloween.
[10:31] Yes, I first came to know about this quite incidentally when I
[10:36] read Acceptable Risk in the 90s when I was in school.
[10:39] And I was like, wow, this is a really cool explanation. 17th
[10:43] century would be the wrong time frame for Salem witch trials.
[10:46] Are you sure? Am I?
[10:49] Is that the answer? Yes, it is the Salem witch
[10:52] trials. So one of the theories for the
[10:54] Salem witch trials is that people consuming bread which
[10:58] was, you know, contaminated with a gut caused them to have these
[11:04] symptoms which would look like somebody communing with the
[11:07] devil. Hmm.
[11:09] OK, fair enough. Fair enough.
[11:11] So yes, it is the Salem Witch Trials.
[11:14] You know, I keep doing this and this is a mistake I've been
[11:16] making since the because I know the Salem witch trials happened
[11:18] in 1600 something. And yeah, it is 17th century and
[11:22] I've done this previously on the podcast as well.
[11:26] Such a brain fart moment. And then you realize, of course,
[11:28] that is what the 17th centuries, and I would not make that
[11:30] mistake for 21st and 20th century.
[11:32] But somehow when you go back, I'm like, yeah, 17th century
[11:34] makes sense. OK yeah, you're right.
[11:36] It is the 17th century. So that makes a lot of sense.
[11:39] I accidentally chanced upon the answer.
[11:41] I guess you did. So what are the lessons that you
[11:44] have to learn from this particular question?
[11:47] The lesson that you have to learn Aditya is that you have to
[11:49] trust your gut. And #2 is that in the case of
[11:53] Bill Smith, the book is always better than the movie.
[11:57] Case in point, we are talking about I Am Legend.
[11:59] Also I Robot. Oh, this is going to be a trivia
[12:02] question for me, but I'm just going to say it right now.
[12:05] I recently learned that I Robot, the film is so vastly different.
[12:10] I have not read the original Isaac Asimov book, but it's so
[12:13] vastly different because it is adapted from an existing
[12:16] screenplay which had nothing to do with the book.
[12:18] And the studio acquired the rights and they just kind of
[12:21] tried to fit it in and hence during the credits of the movie.
[12:25] It does not say adapted by or or based off of the exact words
[12:30] read suggested by Isaac Asimov's work I, Robot.
[12:36] And I thought that was hilarious.
[12:38] That a movie is suggested by the book itself is actually I Robot
[12:43] is actually not a single novel, it's a collection of short
[12:46] stories, and there are certain similarities with one particular
[12:51] story. Again, I'm not going to spoil
[12:52] it. Isaac Asimov is one of my
[12:54] favorite writers in the whole world.
[12:57] Please, if you've not read his Empire series, his Robot series,
[13:02] please do. Well, you know what?
[13:03] This could be a quick segue or a quick reminder to the fact that
[13:07] at the end of the episode we do do some pop culture
[13:10] recommendations. So consider this a bonus
[13:13] recommendation from Vineet. And thoroughly supported by me
[13:16] because I've read some of Asimov's work and I am
[13:18] completely blown away by it. But let's move on to the next
[13:22] question, Vineet. Since we are on a Halloween
[13:26] themed episode, I thought it was appropriate to talk about
[13:29] Halloween itself. And here I will give you some
[13:32] context. Halloween originated from the
[13:35] ancient Celtic festival of Samhain.
[13:38] It is spelled S AM Hain, but it is pronounced Saawi.
[13:43] Saahuen. Saahuen.
[13:45] OK, you make that sound vaguely Chinese for some reason.
[13:50] Yes. So it was considered the biggest
[13:53] and the most significant holiday of the Celtic year and today we
[13:56] continue celebrating it in the form of Halloween.
[13:59] It is also Halloween is also short for Hallows Eve or Hallows
[14:03] Evening, the evening before All Hallows day and that's where we
[14:06] get the name from. All right, lovely.
[14:08] But my question is the. Name Sahwin or Samhain if you
[14:14] were. If I were to just spell it out,
[14:16] how is it relevant in today's language?
[14:19] In today's context? How is it still used?
[14:23] And this question is very meta. Oh.
[14:27] I want to cue some horror movie sounds here like some lightning,
[14:30] which it's going to happen right about now.
[14:36] OK, so wait, hasn't got anything to do with the supernatural TV
[14:40] series that that. I think one of the first few I
[14:42] had seen where Samhain was, or Samhain was, you know,
[14:47] referenced directly. This doesn't have anything to do
[14:50] with pop culture. OK, nothing to do with pop
[14:52] culture, but are we doing with etymology?
[14:57] Yes, you are much closer there. OK, so something came from
[15:02] Samhain. OK, has it something to do with
[15:07] JRR Tolkien? Did he get the name Samwise
[15:09] Gamji from this? Because Can you imagine of
[15:12] anything more horrifying than a friend who stalks you all the
[15:14] way to your own doom? Oh man, you really shat on
[15:19] Samwise Gamji there. I love that character.
[15:21] What AI call it character. And I like him.
[15:25] The thing is, he doesn't have much of a dark side.
[15:27] I mean, like in Frodo has a dark side, everybody has a dark side,
[15:31] Gamma is Gamji. Maybe I'm missing, maybe I'm
[15:33] forgetting something in the huge tomb, but he never shows much of
[15:37] a dark side. He's always like a pure soul.
[15:40] And I like my twisted characters, people with grey.
[15:44] You are the exact audience that Halloween and horror movie
[15:48] themes are meant for, yes? Which brings you back to the
[15:51] question of what, which is very meta, by the way, That is my
[15:54] little clue to you what etymology.
[15:58] In the context of, I'll be more specific.
[16:00] In the context of Halloween, what etymology is extremely meta
[16:06] and uses the word Sahin sahueng. Wow, I just can't remember think
[16:13] of anything. This is perhaps something that
[16:15] you might not have heard of before, but once you know what
[16:18] the answer is, it will seem very obvious.
[16:21] Aha. OK.
[16:22] I stress on the fact that it is a very meta question.
[16:26] Let me guide you along a little bit.
[16:28] Yes, you will have to do that. What is an emotion that is most
[16:31] commonly associated with Halloween fear?
[16:36] Exactly. If I was to turn that on its
[16:38] head. You want to turn fear on its
[16:41] head, Reef? No.
[16:45] No, no. The fear part of it and
[16:49] Halloween. How can you combine fear and
[16:51] Halloween? Think more like almost venturing
[16:54] into psychology and medicine. Some sort of diagnosis phobia?
[17:02] Ah, you're there. Oh wait, is it like Saminophobia
[17:05] for fear of Halloween? It is the fear of Halloween.
[17:09] Yes, it is. Oh, nice.
[17:11] It is called Sahuen phobia, Sahuenophobia Samhyoa.
[17:17] It is the fear of Halloween. Solid question.
[17:20] Solid question. And I love that simply because
[17:23] the fear of Halloween seems like such an interesting.
[17:26] Phrase right there in and of itself.
[17:29] You're afraid of Festival of Fear, Yeah.
[17:32] The thing is, there are a lot of interesting names for different
[17:35] phobias, but I think the most cruel phobia of them all.
[17:42] Can I make a test? It is the one which is the fear
[17:44] of palindrome. No, not palindromes.
[17:46] No, no, no, no, no. So yeah, so that that's our Apio
[17:50] basic. It's it's basically phobia
[17:52] spelled backwards in this. But I think more than that is
[17:57] this is my personal opinion. Of course that's not it's not
[18:00] quoted anywhere that this is the cruelest phobia, but my think of
[18:04] the most cruelest phobia is, and I may be mispronouncing this, so
[18:07] forgive me, Hippopotomonstrosis, esquepediliophobia.
[18:13] Fear of long words? Exactly.
[18:18] Oh no. By the way, the fear or
[18:20] unofficial word for the fear of palindromes is ibophobia, which
[18:25] is. PIBOHPHOBIA.
[18:28] Yeah. Phobia and phobia spelled
[18:30] backwards. Nice.
[18:32] Nice. OK, that was a solid question.
[18:34] Let me see if I can live up to that.
[18:38] This iconic horror films inspiration could be considered
[18:42] to be more frightening than the film itself.
[18:45] After the Vietnam War, Laotian refugees were migrated to the
[18:49] US, were experiencing what was later classified as Sudden
[18:55] Unexpected Nocturnal Death Syndrome.
[18:59] The director of the movie read about this on the in the LA
[19:02] Times and that inspired him to create this particular film.
[19:09] Which film am I talking about? You mentioned Laos, right?
[19:13] Laotian refugees, yes. Where were these refugees?
[19:19] So phenomenon was seen in Laotian refugees who had
[19:22] migrated to the US and they experienced something that was
[19:27] later classified as sudden unexpected nocturnal death
[19:30] syndrome. This is the movie Nightmare on L
[19:33] Street. Bang on Yes, it is Nightmare on
[19:36] L Street. Yes.
[19:38] So after reading, the director basically came up with the
[19:41] story. He recounted a story that he had
[19:43] dread of a child Cambodian refugee who was terrified to
[19:46] sleep for fear that they would be attacked in their dreams and
[19:49] would never wake up. And many of them we also believe
[19:51] that they were being punished by their spirits or their of their
[19:54] ancestors for leaving their homeland.
[19:56] But this led to what came to be known as sudden unexpected
[19:59] Nocturnal Death Syndrome, and that is what inspired Freddy
[20:03] Krueger and the Nightmare on Elm Street.
[20:07] Fun. Fun.
[20:09] Very cool. OK, since you did bring us back
[20:13] to pop culture, let me continue on that particular Rd.
[20:17] My question is about a 1983 interview where David Bowie was
[20:23] forcing this VJ Mark Goodman to explain why MTV isn't playing
[20:27] videos for black artists. He was calling out MTV basically
[20:31] for having structural racism in its organization.
[20:35] And let me quote the interview itself.
[20:38] Having watched MTV with the past few months, it's a solid
[20:41] enterprise with a lot going for it.
[20:43] I'm just floored that by the fact that there are so few black
[20:46] artists featured on it. Why is that?
[20:48] This was David Bowie and Goodman was put in awkward position and
[20:52] he said, I think we're trying to move in that direction.
[20:55] We want to play artists that seem to be doing music that fits
[20:57] into what you want to play on MTV.
[20:58] The company is thinking in terms of narrow casting and basically
[21:02] making up some sort of a corporate excuses for perhaps
[21:06] what was some latent form of structural racism in that
[21:10] organization. Now this was something which
[21:13] grew viral back in the day and was really hurting Mt VS Image.
[21:19] What then? Saved it, presumably or
[21:22] allegedly? I think I know the answer to
[21:25] this because given the time period I am going to and because
[21:29] this is MTV and you said Vijay, I think that what saved MTV is
[21:36] Michael Jackson's Thriller video.
[21:39] Impeccable as always. Yes, it is the iconic Thriller
[21:44] video. You can't speak enough of what a
[21:48] cultural phenomenon it was. It it was still a phenomenon
[21:51] when I was growing up in the 90s, like 10-15 years later, it
[21:54] was still a phenomenon. There were VHS tapes of because
[21:58] Michael Jackson's videos were not just like videos.
[22:00] They were like mini movies. So there'll be like a 13 minute
[22:03] clip where the song itself was maybe 7 or 8 minutes or maybe 6
[22:07] minutes or whatever, and the rest of it would be the build up
[22:09] and what comes after. And you you used to get these
[22:12] VHS tapes of Michael Jackson's albums with all these music
[22:16] videos. It was still a phenomenon.
[22:17] They were still selling like hotcakes in the mid to late 90s,
[22:20] you know. So I remember he was an
[22:22] everlasting phenomenon, the King of Pop.
[22:24] Since I have broached the topic of Thriller, there is some
[22:28] additional trivia associated with it that I would love to
[22:32] share. And this isn't in the form of a
[22:33] question, but hopefully it does tickle your trivia bone.
[22:38] There was an engineer, Bruce Sweden, who said that when he
[22:42] was contacted to do the music and sound effects for Thriller,
[22:47] he was tasked with getting the house for it.
[22:50] He set up tape recorders around his Great Dane in a barn
[22:54] overnight and was planning on using that as a sound effect.
[22:58] Turns out his great team was very quiet and did not make any
[23:00] sound. So when they managed to get
[23:04] nothing out of that pet, Michael Jackson at that point decided to
[23:08] do the house himself. So he has done the house on that
[23:12] music video by himself and that isn't recorded sound of any
[23:16] animal. There is some additional trivia,
[23:18] actually, because you did mention that Michael Jackson's
[23:21] music videos were usually almost a short film in and of itself.
[23:26] Do you know who he contacted and after watching what to make that
[23:30] particular video? This is just a case.
[23:33] I don't know this, but I would guess it would be George Romero
[23:36] after watching Night of the Living Dead.
[23:40] Fantastic guess, but no. This is another very iconic
[23:43] Hollywood film, a 1981 film. John Carpenter, The Thing
[23:50] Fantastic is The Thing 1980, though I believe The Thing might
[23:53] be 1980. In any case, it's not the answer
[23:56] for this question. Which other iconic oh wait, is
[24:00] it Jeff Goldblum's The Fly? No.
[24:04] Very, very good guesses. This one.
[24:06] Also, I think just like The Fly, this particular movie was also
[24:10] considered a landmark for being amazing at practical effects.
[24:15] There's a very iconic scene of a transformation in this movie,
[24:19] which is exactly what inspired Michael.
[24:22] Jackson Is it An American Werewolf in London?
[24:25] Perfect. An American Werewolf in London.
[24:27] For those of you who have not seen the movie, it is worth just
[24:30] checking it out for that very very iconic scene which is
[24:32] practical effects. It still holds up and this is
[24:35] back in 1980s which is saying something.
[24:38] The fact is that these many effects from movies which were
[24:41] done practically in the 80s, look better today than the CGI
[24:47] that we're used to. There's something very tactile
[24:50] about the kind of special effects that they had.
[24:52] You could actually feel some of it.
[24:55] Most of the CGI, you just know it's CGI like.
[24:58] But when you see some of these effects, like from The Fly, from
[25:02] Sam Raimi's The Evil Dead, practical effects throughout
[25:05] beautifully done, I completely agree.
[25:06] And actually that's what inspired Michael Jackson,
[25:08] because he wanted to make a video in which he transformed
[25:11] into Four Legged Beast, very similar to the transformation
[25:14] scene in An American Werewolf in London.
[25:16] That's when he contacted the director, whose name is John
[25:19] Landis, and he told him about his idea.
[25:21] Landis felt that Jackson should become scary and creepy but not
[25:24] ugly, so he said. It said that Jackson should
[25:27] become a werewolf in the 1950s setting, and that was inspired
[25:30] by the 1957 film I Was a Teenage Werewolf.
[25:34] So lots of pop culture references in this one little
[25:38] trivia question, and that's how that iconic music video and song
[25:44] came to be. And if I'm not mistaken, Michael
[25:48] Jackson was also one of the first to use morphing CGI for
[25:52] his black and white with black or white video in the in the
[25:55] early 90s. OK, so that was a fantastic
[25:58] question. I am now going to move to a
[26:02] little bit of real life, let's say horror.
[26:06] You've obviously heard of Charles Manson, right?
[26:10] The psychopath cult leader who led what became known as the
[26:14] Manson Family. Was a quasi commune that rose in
[26:17] the California desert in the late 1960s.
[26:20] He was a sociopath, you know, excellent and adept at
[26:24] manipulating people, and he took pieces from a lot of various
[26:28] spiritual beliefs to create his own philosophy.
[26:31] When The Beatles released their White Album in 1968, Manson
[26:37] believed that this particular song in the album predicted an
[26:40] upcoming race war. He believed that it was going to
[26:44] occur in the summer of 1969 where African Americans or
[26:47] blacks were going to rise up and slaughter all the white people.
[26:51] He told his followers that they would be saved because they
[26:53] would be literally underground travelling to an underground
[26:57] city of gold located in Death Valley.
[27:00] Can you say he was cuckoo for Coco Puffs?
[27:03] However, when the Armageddon that Manson had predicted did
[27:06] not occur, he had said that he and his followers must show how
[27:10] the blacks to do it. And that led to the horrific
[27:13] series of events which happened later on.
[27:15] Can you tell me which song from the iconic White Album from by
[27:21] The Beatles, which has been covered many, many times,
[27:25] inspired this madman to do what he did?
[27:30] This would be a great place to put a cackling laughter, because
[27:33] that's exactly what I hear in my head right now.
[27:35] Because this question evokes fear in me because I do not know
[27:40] The Beatles discography well enough to be able.
[27:43] To OK, but I will, I will venture a guess.
[27:47] Did you mention which album this was from?
[27:49] This was the 1968 White Album White Album.
[27:52] OK, oh boy. So not even Abbey Road?
[27:55] No. No.
[27:57] Could perhaps give me four options and I can choose from
[28:00] that. OK, so this song has been
[28:06] covered by, as I mentioned, a lot of artists, including U2.
[28:10] Mötley Crüe, Rob Zombie, Marilyn Manson, Pat Benetta Oasis,
[28:16] Soundgarden, Bon Jovi, and Pussy Riot.
[28:21] Wow. OK, yeah, I'm.
[28:23] I'm quite blank on the songs from White Album.
[28:28] OK, so then I will give you a series of multiple choice.
[28:32] I'm going to give you a song from the White Album and you can
[28:35] guess which of these. OK, I'm going to maybe throw in
[28:39] a couple of maybe, I don't know, guesses in there and you may,
[28:43] let's say red herrings in there. So you they may or may not be
[28:46] actual songs from the White Album.
[28:49] So obla di obla da While my guitar Gently Weeps.
[28:54] Revolution 9. Helter Skelter.
[28:58] Rocky Raccoon Glass Onion. OK, so Rocky Raccoon obviously
[29:05] sounds like something Stan Lee came up with, so right off the
[29:08] bat I'm going to reject that as an option.
[29:11] OK. The first one was also something
[29:12] which sounded like Oompa Loompa. Obla di obla da Well, close
[29:17] enough to Oompa Loompa, so I'm going to reject that as well, I
[29:21] have heard while my guitar gently weeps.
[29:23] And it does not sound like a song which would, even by a very
[29:28] very admittedly insane person, be conceived as a harbinger of
[29:35] death and destruction. So I think that's out as well.
[29:38] Which leaves us with, I believe, Helter Skelter and Revolution 9.
[29:42] And glass onion, glass onion as well.
[29:46] OK, at this point it's there's nothing even educated about my
[29:49] guesses. I'm making uneducated guesses.
[29:52] I'm just going to go with a, let's say, helter skelter.
[29:56] Yes, you are right. It is Helter Skelter.
[29:58] It is a it's a fantastic song, by the way.
[30:02] But I don't know, I mean, like obviously this man was deranged,
[30:06] So what he heard about what he thought he heard in it is the
[30:10] product of his own deranged mind, so let's just put it
[30:12] there. But the album is so fantastic.
[30:14] By the way, can you guess what the red herrings were?
[30:16] Or can you guess if any of these were not on the White Album?
[30:20] Just for fun, I'm going to guess Revolution 9.
[30:23] No, Revolution Nine was a song on the Yeah, that's a very close
[30:30] second option. Then Glass Onion.
[30:32] Is that a red? No Glass Onion is also a song by
[30:34] The Beatles. Wow.
[30:36] OK, clearly showcasing my absolute lack of knowledge of
[30:40] The Beatles discography. All right, so the my final guess
[30:44] would be the Ubladi Lublali. Ubladi Ublada?
[30:48] No, That's also a song. So, technically, Rocky Raccoon.
[30:51] Glass Onion, Obla di obla da. These are all songs by The
[30:55] Beatles. There are no red herrings.
[30:57] The red herring was that there were no red herrings.
[30:59] They were all Beatles songs. Vineet, you belong in a horror
[31:04] film. And I don't even mean as one of
[31:06] the characters who survives. I mean, you should be the one
[31:10] right at the beginning, being torn apart limb to limb.
[31:14] I I want like, see if I'm in a horror movie, I want to go out
[31:18] in a magnificent manner. Do you know what my favorite
[31:22] magnificent death on screen? I mean like this is just I came
[31:26] across as recently and I was like, this is just so cool.
[31:31] Have you seen Sharknado Three? You know what, I have not seen
[31:37] it, but I'm going to venture a guess.
[31:39] Is that a point where he has a chainsaw in his hand and there
[31:42] is a shark? And he just no, that's all.
[31:44] That's all just that's just, you know that Bush league, they do
[31:47] that in every Sharknado movie. But there is a there is a cameo
[31:51] in Sharknado 3. So there's a character playing
[31:54] himself, God knows what he's playing.
[31:56] It's not specified, but this very famous person is sitting
[31:58] and watching a movie about a three headed shark.
[32:01] At least that's what on screen. And he's enjoying the movie when
[32:04] from behind the screen an actual shark burst through, lands on
[32:09] his lap, starts eating his guts out.
[32:13] He starts bleeding from the mouth, at which point I think
[32:15] there's another shark which comes in and takes off his head.
[32:19] Wow. Do you know who this person is?
[32:23] And this is the only known cameo I could find of this person in a
[32:25] like, a mainstream movie. Oh, so there's not.
[32:28] An actor, He's not an actor. He's not an actor.
[32:30] And he very famously once said that he would never cameo in one
[32:33] of his in any adaptation of his own work.
[32:35] So. But he did cameo in this Stephen
[32:38] King. No, no, no.
[32:40] Look, let's just say that when people saw this cameo, people
[32:42] were like, yeah, he deserves it for doing the tools.
[32:45] All he does it to all his characters.
[32:46] Now he know what's what it feels like.
[32:48] RR Martin. Yes, it is.
[32:49] Jonah. Jonah Martin.
[32:53] Oh yeah, I can imagine at least a few people I know who would
[32:56] very much vouch for seeing that as a cathartic moment for them.
[33:00] Because of course, we don't want RR Martin to go through pain.
[33:02] But seeing him fictionally go through pain is cathartic for
[33:05] people who have been painfully waiting for his books for the
[33:08] longest time. I get that.
[33:10] I I I can't believe. That, Yeah, that's fantastic.
[33:13] I mean, I found that that that's just brilliant.
[33:16] OK. So it's your turn Question from
[33:18] you. OK, so for my next question, I'm
[33:21] going to obviously continue down our theme.
[33:24] Let's go back to the 1880s. X was invented back in 1886, the
[33:30] inventor of which is still disputed.
[33:34] Though we don't know who the person is exactly.
[33:36] There was one person who was very commonly associated with
[33:39] it, and this person was Elijah Bond.
[33:42] Elijah Bond had a sister-in-law, Helen Peters.
[33:45] On April 25th, 1980, she was having a session with these
[33:49] entrepreneurs in which she came up with the particular word,
[33:54] which is how we remember this product.
[33:56] When asked what it meant, it's spelled good luck.
[34:00] Now, there are other possible ways that this word also came to
[34:04] be. One of the theories is that
[34:07] Helen Peters was a well read, upper class woman.
[34:10] She likely read stories from an English novelist.
[34:13] I'm not giving you the name of the novelist because his word is
[34:15] very closely X is very closely associated to the name of the
[34:18] English novelist. There are people who believe
[34:20] that she might have been wearing a Locket that had the name of
[34:23] that novelist on it, and she just basically associated that X
[34:29] with the name of the novelist. And there's a third possible
[34:32] explanation, which was that it was meant to sound X was meant
[34:36] to sound Egyptian because when this particular thing, X earned
[34:41] a patent in 1890, it was themed as being Egyptian, And Egyptian
[34:46] things were in vogue back then, in particular circles at least.
[34:51] So we're not sure what who the inventor of X is or where X gets
[34:55] its name exactly from. But here are the leading
[34:57] theories. Can you make a guess as to what
[34:59] X is? It's a WIGI board.
[35:02] Or the WIGI board. Oh that was so freaking fast.
[35:06] Oh boy, wow. I thought I had must enough
[35:12] information there, but nothing stops.
[35:14] Vineeth clearly. No, to be fair I had attended a
[35:18] quiz recently where the quiz master had put up the exact same
[35:22] trivia So and I did not know the answer but that my one of my
[35:27] teammates on the you know who was playing along with me in the
[35:29] same team, she knew. So that I came to know and
[35:33] that's how I was able to guess this quickly start out to Annie
[35:40] Aniruta Sengupta. It was his question.
[35:41] So because of him, I know this well, thank you Aniruddha for
[35:46] bringing it to light for all us trivia enthusiasts.
[35:50] But let me just give you one more piece of trivia associated
[35:53] to the Ouija board. And by the way, the Ouija board,
[35:56] for anybody who might not know, is this particular board which
[36:01] was invented, quote UN quote, back in the 1880s, eighteen 70s.
[36:07] And it was meant to be a medium through which you could talk to
[36:10] spirits and those who are long dead.
[36:14] Obviously is in the realm of pseudoscience, but it still has
[36:17] a massive following even till this day, which is actually a
[36:20] trademark name by Hasbro today, but is also used very
[36:24] generically to refer to any of these boards which people use to
[36:29] talk, quote, UN quote talk. There's another little piece of
[36:32] trivia associated with it. In 1966 Parker Brothers overtook
[36:38] this company which was making Asia and and that same year it
[36:42] outsold Monopoly. 2.3 million units were sold in that year and
[36:48] it outsold Monopoly, I believe. One of the only times where a
[36:52] board game has outsold Monopoly, if I'm not wrong.
[36:55] Wow, that's fascinating. I wonder if the spirit world set
[37:01] up a telephone exchange to make sure that all these 2.3 million
[37:04] calls to spirits got through to the right people.
[37:07] Well, I would imagine that isn't the case because it hasn't held
[37:11] the sales since then. No, but that's the I I I've
[37:16] always heard another thing that Ouija or OUIJA is actually yes
[37:22] in both French and German. We in French is yes and JA is
[37:27] again yes in German. So that's something I'd heard
[37:30] when I was a kid, and God knows that actually, I should clarify
[37:35] for the question itself because I was very vague.
[37:38] The word OUIJA was something that when Helen Peters, the one
[37:45] I mentioned was P Elijah Bond's sister-in-law when she was
[37:49] having a session with these entrepreneurs, that the board
[37:52] spelled out UJA. And when they asked the board
[37:55] what it meant, it spelled out good luck.
[37:58] The other explanation was an English novelist.
[38:01] This English novelist's name was Eida Eida.
[38:04] I'm not sure how to pronounce it, but OUIDA.
[38:07] And that could have been the association that Helen Peters
[38:11] made. And of course, apparently it
[38:13] also sounded vaguely Egyptian. So that was a marketing tactic
[38:17] also right there. Nice.
[38:20] You know there is. In those days, Egyptology was so
[38:23] much in vogue. Exactly.
[38:25] And have you heard of this? There's this color museum, I
[38:29] think at Harvard, somewhere in the one of the bigger
[38:31] universities in the US. Where they have original samples
[38:34] of all different types of colours.
[38:37] And did you know that there was one particular colour which was
[38:41] very much in demand, so much in demand by artists in Europe,
[38:46] that an entire black market was set up to source that for the
[38:50] source of that particular colour in Egypt, some Egyptian colour?
[38:54] Not an Egyptian vaguely associated with ancient.
[38:58] It is associated with Egypt. It is associated with Egypt.
[39:00] And I saw a documentary where this particular museum, it has
[39:04] all like it has the powders and original because most paints and
[39:07] colours come from some kind of natural source, right?
[39:10] It's only now that we use chemicals to make the kind of
[39:12] colours we have, but most of the major colours, like if you're
[39:16] talking about the Renaissance artists painting the the Virgin
[39:21] Mary, most of the time she has a blue hood.
[39:24] Or a blue whale and they used to use lapis lazuli, ground up
[39:28] lapis lazuli to get that particular ultramarine colour.
[39:31] Similarly there was a particular shade of brown which were
[39:36] required a source which at the time was preferably in Egypt and
[39:40] I think it was only in Egypt at that time, and created this
[39:43] whole black market just to get that particular shade of brown.
[39:47] Do you know what it was called? Which would also tell you the
[39:49] source. I'm going to guess simple,
[39:54] straightforward guess, some Nile brown or something.
[39:57] No, it was it was Mummy Brown. Much better, much better.
[40:03] Mummy. Ground up.
[40:04] It was actually made-up from ground up mummies.
[40:07] Oh, that's that's as. Far as historical artifacts,
[40:14] though, I think that is a rather poor use of them.
[40:18] True. True.
[40:20] OK, I'm going to ask you a little fun question.
[40:23] So this particular or basically we see this.
[40:26] So we're in movies, in TV series, in different kinds of
[40:29] shows. Even in graphics depicting
[40:32] Halloween, this is a very commonly depicted feature.
[40:36] OK, we often see it in the portrayal of Halloween, but in
[40:41] reality, this particular thing happening during Halloween is
[40:45] very is a little rare. On average, it occurs only once
[40:49] every 18 to 19 years. In fact, there will be only 6
[40:54] Halloweens with this particular feature in the 21st century.
[40:58] Two of them already occurred in 2001 and 2020, and the next will
[41:03] appear will happen in 203920582077 and 2096.
[41:09] What particular thing is portrayed during Halloween,
[41:13] which is actually not very common, but in practically every
[41:16] kind of Halloween graphic movie TV series, you'd see this at
[41:19] some point or the other. I'm guessing it has to do with
[41:21] the moon. Yes, it has to do with the moon,
[41:23] though it's very quick now. Those are some great clues along
[41:27] the way, but I'm trying to figure out, is it a new moon?
[41:30] Is it a full moon? Is it a Crescent moon?
[41:32] Because all of them kind of fit the bill.
[41:35] No, actually it's it's it's a it's a full moon.
[41:37] Full moon. I was going to go with full moon
[41:39] also because werewolves. Yes, exactly.
[41:41] So they usually, I mean like if you look at the graphics or
[41:43] Wallpapers things, there's always a full moon lurking in
[41:46] the background somewhere. But it's not very common, not
[41:49] very common at Halloween at all. Fair enough.
[41:52] Fair enough. OK.
[41:54] I think that would be our final question.
[41:57] Yes, that would. So before we leave, there are a
[42:01] couple of things we have to wipe up.
[42:02] First of all, Aditya, there is the matter of your question and
[42:05] #2 will be the answer to the audience question.
[42:08] And then finally, our recommendations for this week.
[42:09] So let's start off with your question.
[42:11] Aditya, what is your question for this week?
[42:14] Let's just say that the iconic music video Thriller changed the
[42:20] course of history almost for pop culture when it came out and
[42:24] definitely made the career of Michael Jackson.
[42:27] So I'm going to ask which music video would have changed the
[42:33] course of an Indian pop culture icon?
[42:39] OK, back in the 80s or 90s, depending on my mood.
[42:44] We'll figure out next. Week.
[42:46] Yes, he will. He will.
[42:47] He will make up an answer for this next week, right.
[42:51] So I'll going back to my question, which I asked at the
[42:55] beginning of today's episode. This plant, which has long been
[42:59] associated with witchcraft, has been featured in many druidic
[43:02] ceremonies across Britain. Diasporitis called it a sacred
[43:05] herb. In Roman society it was regarded
[43:07] as a cure all Roman soldiers carried when travelling in
[43:10] foreign countries to protect them from sorcery, and it was
[43:14] also used as a love portion among the women of Rome.
[43:18] And in classical times it was also born as a Garland to ward
[43:21] off the plague. My clue for this, which I'd
[43:24] given the audience, are creatures of the night.
[43:28] What is this plant? And my clue was that if you
[43:32] watch The Vampire Diaries, you would know this.
[43:38] Should I venture a guest Vineet? Yes, please do.
[43:42] On behalf of our audience, I'm gonna say, is it anything to do
[43:46] with garlic? No, actually not.
[43:50] Garlic is the more, let's say, mainstream thing that we're
[43:53] talking about. But no, this is the first time I
[43:57] saw it, and to be honest, I have watched The Vampire Diaries.
[44:00] Not something I usually say out in public much, but I have
[44:05] watched it. It is a quite engaging series at
[44:08] at times, but the there are certain things in it which I
[44:12] find very compelling as in the kind of lore that they've
[44:15] created, and one of this is from actual history.
[44:18] It was when I read it first I thought it was something they
[44:20] made-up. But there is an actual plant
[44:23] which if you've not seen the movie, if you've not seen the
[44:25] series of, you may not have heard of it.
[44:27] It's called vervain or holy What so?
[44:33] All the anybody's watched The Vampire Diaries basically have
[44:36] been screaming at the screen, you know, the their radio or at
[44:38] their Spotify or their phone for the past two minutes.
[44:41] But yes, it's called vervain. And it was, you know, a herb
[44:45] which was supposed to protect somebody from saucy.
[44:48] Okay. Nice.
[44:49] Something for our Vampire Diaries fans who listened to
[44:54] this podcast, which I think is a very small slice in the Venn
[44:57] diagram of people who listen to this podcast and also watch the
[45:00] show. Well, for those two people, this
[45:05] is best for you. I was going to guess Sage
[45:08] actually, because Burning Sage also has considered.
[45:11] So that would have been a very good guess.
[45:12] That would have been a very good guess, yeah.
[45:13] But well, well, something new I learned.
[45:16] And which is a great segue into our pop culture recommendations.
[45:20] And Vampire Diaries, I presume. No, not because I'm I'm that,
[45:25] that, that, that that's just a like a guilty pleasure kind of
[45:28] thing. But I was thinking of what would
[45:31] be your recommendation for a really scary movie.
[45:34] Like what is it? Has there been a movie recently
[45:36] or a movie that you would really like, like knock somebody's
[45:39] pants off or something? That kind of scary movie.
[45:42] I'm I love horror films, but I don't know if I recommend them
[45:47] as much. Cabin in the Woods.
[45:48] Very good meta commentary on on horror.
[45:53] I genuinely really enjoyed this movie which does not have very
[45:57] good critical reception. It is called Oculus.
[46:01] It was a 2013. Horror film, Beautiful movie.
[46:04] I love the movie. I loved the movie and as far as
[46:09] I remember there were very few jump scares or or regular horror
[46:12] movie tropes in it and yet it it scared the bejesus out of me.
[46:18] So yeah, just highly recommend Oculus if you want to try
[46:21] something which you might not have seen before.
[46:24] And of course there are supernatural thrillers.
[46:26] One which I was recommended back in college, and I have continued
[46:33] recommending it to anybody who wants an offbeat film.
[46:36] Is this movie called Coherence? It's a coherence, the 2013 film
[46:41] called Coherence, and technically it's an American
[46:44] surreal, science fiction psychological thriller film.
[46:47] But it scared me. So if you want to go with the
[46:51] recommendation, go with it. Yeah, I really enjoyed that
[46:53] film. I I'm somebody who loves horror
[46:57] movies. They I and I love watching them
[46:59] alone with the lights off. I'm that kind of person.
[47:02] I torture myself. I go through all the jump scares
[47:05] and practically scare myself while watching the movie, but I
[47:08] rarely have any kind of after effect.
[47:10] Like, very few movies stay with me or they continue to kind of
[47:14] haunt me after the watching the movie itself, Right.
[47:18] So the usual suspects like The Conjuring and all those, I mean,
[47:22] like those those are fun while you're watching it, but none of
[47:25] them actually stay with you or kind of, you know, make you turn
[47:28] on the lights or, you know, make sure that there are no dark
[47:30] corridors at home. There are, however.
[47:33] There is however one movie which has managed to do that and it's
[47:38] not an English film. So I don't know if you've heard
[47:40] of this, but the Turkish are masters at creating horror
[47:46] movies, not all of them. Many of them are quite cheesy
[47:49] like B grade type of movies. So there is a series of movies,
[47:52] I think that I think it's up to around 7 movies right now called
[47:55] Dabbe that DABBE. OK.
[48:00] And the one I would recommend is the one called Dabbe the
[48:04] Possession. It's available on Netflix and I
[48:08] think maybe the reason I found it so scary is that they've used
[48:12] quite natural lighting. It's a slow burn kind of thing,
[48:16] The jump scares, not so many. And the fact is that the lore
[48:21] and the mythology is completely alien to us here at the same
[48:24] time, somehow familiar. Because the horror, we are all
[48:28] used to the kind of judeo-christian horror, right?
[48:32] With demons and vampires and whatnot.
[48:34] These are horror movies about jinns.
[48:39] So this movie is the one I would recommend.
[48:41] It's literally scared the pants off me and it's and let me tell
[48:45] you, it's not easy to do that. But this thing scared me and it
[48:49] it stayed with me for a couple of days.
[48:52] OK, it's not. It's not like Hereditary, which
[48:55] is again a fantastic movie. Again, one another movie I would
[48:58] recommend, but it's not like that kind of high level
[49:03] filmmaking. It's a low budget film, but it's
[49:07] very well done. It reminded me of The Blair
[49:09] Witch Project the first time I saw it.
[49:11] But it's it's it's it's not a it is kind of a found footage
[49:15] thing, but not a kind of found footage.
[49:16] It's it's a movie out of its own.
[49:18] Dabbe the Possession. It's also available in some
[49:21] places. It's called Dabbe The Curse of
[49:23] the Ginsu. That's my recommendation.
[49:25] Just go watch it at your own peril.
[49:28] It is quite scary. I should check it out.
[49:30] I'm actually going to recommend some literature as well at this
[49:34] point because you did speak of I Am Legend and the author was
[49:37] Richard Matheson. I actually wanted to Google this
[49:41] before I said it out loud because I read I Am Legend in
[49:45] this book called I Am Legend and Other Short Stories and Other
[49:49] Stories which is collection. So I Am Legend is the longest
[49:52] one in there, but there are a bunch of short stories and
[49:54] Mattson, while he is known for his I Am Legend novella or
[49:58] novel, whatever it was qualified as, there are a bunch of short
[50:02] stories. I'm actually not even
[50:03] recommending one specific one. There are so many great short
[50:05] stories in that which scared the hell out of me and they are just
[50:11] phenomenal. These are imagine reading a book
[50:14] and being scared. Like it does not happen very
[50:16] often. You associate like jump scares
[50:19] with the with the sound or or visuals of somebody popping into
[50:22] the screen. But just words on a piece of
[50:24] page scared me. And I'm talking horror and I'm
[50:27] not even talking like oh, it scared me in like a for humanity
[50:31] or something like that it truly. Is not an existential kind of.
[50:34] It was fear. It was actual fear, not
[50:36] existential fear. I I will say that like a lot of
[50:41] people, when they when you say horror and you say books,
[50:43] everybody thinks it's Stephen King.
[50:45] I rarely find him that scary. He's horrifying.
[50:48] His books are horrifying, rarely scary.
[50:51] The one book that I did that he didn't can manage to get to me
[50:54] with was Kujo. Yeah, if you, if you, if you get
[50:59] the chance, read Kujo. Don't watch the movie.
[51:02] Read Kujo. And I have a very deep cut.
[51:06] I don't know many people who have read this particular novel,
[51:09] but this is one of my scariest, best, basically ghost kind of
[51:13] novels I've ever read. It's called Naomi's Room.
[51:17] It's from a not very well known author.
[51:19] His name is Jonathan Aycliffe. He's an Irish author.
[51:22] He wrote this book called Naomi's Room and it is one of my
[51:26] favorite. You know books of all time when
[51:31] it comes to horror and let me just recommend one podcast.
[51:37] This is a real world horror actually because it is quite
[51:42] horrifying. There is ABBC Radio 4 podcast
[51:48] more like a radio play on Nuremberg on the Nazi trials.
[51:52] I highly recommend it. It is not an easy listen.
[51:56] But it's definitely, I think it's one thing that we should
[51:59] never forget that, you know, people who perform these kind of
[52:02] acts are just ordinary human beings.
[52:04] They're not people with horns or any, but they don't look any
[52:07] different or they don't, you know, But then you and I, it
[52:10] could be somebody just walking along the street.
[52:11] That kind of horror aspect is brought quite well with this.
[52:15] It's a documentary, but it is definitely worth watching.
[52:20] Sorry hearing it's a podcast on the very.
[52:23] BBC Radio for on that very sombre note of, you know, the
[52:27] demon was always inside of you. Yes, we wrap up this podcast.
[52:32] Thank you everybody for listening.
[52:37] OK. You OK?
[52:38] OK, fine. Yeah, That's all for this
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