# Episode 090 - Mars, Marine Biology & Mandela Effect ft. Berty Ashley

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 12 Nov 2024, 57 min.

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Do you know which two celestial bodies are missing from Gustav Holst's orchestral suite 'The Planets', which had iconic pieces like 'Mars'? Do you know what landmark pop culture staple is the marine biologist Stephen Hillenburg associated with? Do you what is the Mandela Effect attached to a certain Queen song, a line that wasn't there in the original recording but everyone swears it was? Tune in to find out!! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/areyouquizzingme Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@areyouquizzingme/podcasts

## Transcript

[0:00] Welcome to our you quizzing me. I am Vineet Nair with my Co host
[0:04] Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia
[0:07] podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into
[0:10] history, science, pop culture and so much more.
[0:14] Let's get quizzing and we're back for episode #90 Aditya and
[0:22] I are back for another round of quizzing.
[0:24] But today we have a little surprise for you.
[0:26] Hey guest, it is the one the only, the great Bertie Ashley.
[0:32] Now if you're yourself who Bertie Ashley is, go live under
[0:36] a rock. That's my answer to you.
[0:38] Where we shooting on our audience?
[0:41] If you don't know who Bertie Ashley is, today is your lucky
[0:43] day. You get to meet the great Bertie
[0:45] Ashley. Or at least his voice.
[0:49] So Bertie Ashley is a musician extraordinaire, molecular
[0:53] biologist. And as if that wasn't enough,
[0:56] he's also quiz Master author, and by the way, quiz Masters.
[1:00] I think it's a little too small a word to use for him.
[1:03] He has worked on KBC Konbanega Croati, India's version of Are
[1:07] You going to be a Millionaire? Are you ready to be a
[1:08] millionaire? What's the name of the show?
[1:09] Who wants to be a millionaire? Who wants to be a millionaire?
[1:12] Are you going to be a millionaire?
[1:14] It sounds like an existential question.
[1:19] And who cares? KBC is much better anyway.
[1:21] So he's worked on KBC. And if you are one of those many
[1:24] people in India who read The Hindu newspaper every Sunday, 10
[1:28] questions come to you courtesy of Bertie Ashley.
[1:31] It's the Hindu Sunday quiz. As you can imagine from my
[1:35] introduction, horrible as it is, he is the exact opposite of
[1:39] that. He's a very nice guy.
[1:40] And overall, he has agreed to be on our tiny little podcast.
[1:45] Welcome, Bertie Ashley. Oh, it's an absolute pleasure
[1:49] and an honor. Thank you guys for inviting me
[1:51] and on episode 90. Nice, very nice.
[1:53] I'm glad I got in here before we hit the big ton one ton.
[1:58] But thank you so much. I'm glad to be here.
[2:01] We are stoked to have you, Bertie.
[2:03] And before I start, I have to give a huge shout out to Swaroop
[2:06] for this because Swaroop mentioned that we should get
[2:09] Bertie on. And I told him that, yeah,
[2:11] Vineet and I have spoken about this very early on.
[2:13] In fact, when we are starting off the podcast, we spoke about
[2:16] how we are going to get Bertie and people like him.
[2:18] But he was literally our benchmark, a prototype of the
[2:21] kind of guests we want. And we've been lucky.
[2:22] We have had great guests, but we haven't had the prototype yet.
[2:25] So that's a big day for us and Swaroop, everybody, huge shout
[2:29] out to Swaroop. If you know him or if you don't
[2:31] know him, just send out good thoughts and wipes to him
[2:33] because he reached out to Bertie and he told him about this
[2:36] podcast and he's like, why don't you connect with these guys?
[2:37] And he became the mediator somewhere.
[2:40] So thank you Swaroop so much for making this happen.
[2:42] It wasn't as it was as smooth as that because there are a lot of
[2:45] caps lock involved. You have to see the podcast.
[2:48] You have to be on it. And I was like, bro, yeah, done.
[2:52] I mean, you had it at high. You have to come to a podcast.
[2:55] Yeah, and Swaroop doesn't even know Buddy directly.
[2:57] He just reached out on behalf of the podcast.
[2:59] So I think that is just one of the nicest things anybody has
[3:02] ever done. Thank you, Swaroop.
[3:04] I'm like you. You said the word quiz.
[3:05] I'm in. That's it.
[3:07] So let's start off today's episode with our regular
[3:10] audience question. This is a question I ask at the
[3:12] beginning of every episode and the answer to which I reveal at
[3:14] the end of it. My dear audience, today's
[3:17] question is one of the shortest I've ever asked as an audience
[3:19] question which is the largest toy distributor in the world?
[3:24] Repeat the question, Which is the largest toy distributor in
[3:29] the world? I will reveal the answer to this
[3:31] question at the end of today's episode.
[3:33] As with all our guest Quizmaster episodes, the honor of the first
[3:37] question goes to our guest Quizmaster buddy.
[3:42] Take the baton. Thank you very much.
[3:45] I know you guys do a lot of research.
[3:47] I conveniently did not because I was doing a live gig yesterday.
[3:51] I hadn't hoped out. So God had a busy day, but I
[3:55] usually spend my Mondays listening to music.
[3:56] And today was my vinyl day and I just listened to a vinyl.
[3:59] It's one of my favorite albums of all time.
[4:01] So I want to ask you a question from that.
[4:04] OK, this is an album called The Planets and it was released by
[4:09] English composer called Gustav Holst.
[4:12] HOLST. Now, The thing is, before that,
[4:16] all the great composers, you know, Mozart, Beethoven, Bach,
[4:19] Brandenburg, they all wrote songs about either royalty or
[4:23] about God because the church and the Royals were the only ones
[4:27] who could pay them money. Gusoff Holtz comes along and
[4:30] he's like, bro, no, I'm not doing that, I'm going to do my
[4:33] own thing. And he decides to write an album
[4:36] about the astrological characters of the planets of the
[4:40] solar system. And I absolutely love it because
[4:44] he writes a piece called Venus, which has this lovely feminine
[4:47] quality in it. Then obviously he writes a piece
[4:49] called Mars, which it has this very, very masculine effort in
[4:54] it. Fun fact for you, fun fact
[4:56] within the question, it starts off with the same notes that
[5:00] eventually our man John Williams used as Darth Vader's theme for
[5:05] Star Wars and also the same notes that started Black
[5:09] Sabbath, the heavy metal song from the very first heavy metal
[5:12] band, Black Sabbath. So they can see the effect of
[5:15] Mars. And then obviously he had
[5:17] Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune.
[5:22] Now I've said seven names. So your questions of two parts.
[5:27] First part is what are the two entities that are missing from
[5:30] this? And two, what are the reasons
[5:33] that these two entities are missing from this list?
[5:37] So I'm going to guess the first one to be Pluto.
[5:40] OK, Aditya. So we are missing Earth, Earth
[5:45] and Pluto. Very nice.
[5:47] So half points to Aditya and half points to dock for getting
[5:50] Pluto and Earth. Now tell me what are the reasons
[5:53] that these two have? This is 19 tens.
[5:56] Oh yeah, So Gustav Holtz recorded this and reached 1918.
[6:01] OK, considering that this was recorded in the 1910s, I don't
[6:06] think Pluto was discovered at that point.
[6:08] And you get points for that. Clyde Tomberg discovered Pluto
[6:12] in 1930. So genuinely, an actual album of
[6:15] both the planets came into existence before we know about
[6:19] the existence of Pluto. I think you want to know why
[6:22] Earth is not on the list. My guess would have been because
[6:25] of the fact that he said it's astrological and as earthly
[6:29] beings we let every other planet decide our fate except our own.
[6:33] Which is ridiculous honestly because so much of A fate is
[6:36] dependent on Earth and how we maintain it.
[6:39] But. Yeah, you are on Earth, you are
[6:41] fated. That's it.
[6:42] So exactly. So it's a terrestrial object and
[6:45] not an astrological object. That's why Gustav Hall said no
[6:48] to Earth. But guys, go listen to the
[6:51] album. It's brilliant.
[6:53] Every single composer that you know, from James Horner to
[6:55] Williams and everybody, pay homage to the Planets because he
[7:00] was the first one to showcase that using instrumental music,
[7:04] you can bring out emotions and you can talk about emotions.
[7:07] And my favorite track is Jupiter, the bringer of jollity.
[7:11] And I can assure you, all of your listeners, if they listen
[7:15] to it, you cannot help but smile when the second moment finishes.
[7:19] It's just one of the songs that genuinely brings you jollity.
[7:25] We have a pop culture recommendation already?
[7:26] Wow, what a great start, I love it.
[7:28] Exactly. Yeah, this is already done.
[7:30] We have. We've got one part of the show
[7:32] already said and done. So I'm going to take the baton,
[7:36] as I usually say myself, and move from music to a part of pop
[7:40] culture. This is one of my long winded,
[7:43] indulgent questions, so please indulge me.
[7:46] X is a village in the state of Goa.
[7:50] X is also the name of the main antagonist in a 2023 gothic
[7:55] horror drama series. Let's call this Series A.
[7:58] For the moment, however, there is no connection between the
[8:01] village and the series, right? It's just a coincidence that
[8:03] they both share a name. In the show, X was named as such
[8:09] because X is actually an anagram of Y.
[8:12] In the show, the character X can shape shift into YY is also
[8:19] considered the universal symbol or depiction of the author on
[8:26] whose work the show A was based. So let's call the author Z,
[8:31] which is A the show X, the name of the village in Goa and also
[8:36] the name of the antagonist in the drama series.
[8:39] And what's the name of the object in which X can shape
[8:42] shift, of which also X is an anagram?
[8:45] And whose on whose work is the show based?
[8:50] OK, now you said shape shift into an object.
[8:53] So not into an animal? No, no, no.
[8:55] Maybe I misspoke. It is an animal.
[8:56] It can shape shift, Yeah, like an animators, but in a much more
[9:00] villainous way. Oh.
[9:02] Villainous way. OK.
[9:03] And you said an author was usually depicted?
[9:06] Yeah. This is like the kind of symbol
[9:08] of that author. Very few authors are depicted by
[9:11] a symbol, so that should. Yeah.
[9:12] So I know only of one. Author who has an animal which
[9:15] is follows them all around. And also, you said Gothic and
[9:18] that's the reason my brain went there.
[9:21] OK. Yeah, so the the the trivia
[9:23] being to the writer of the world's first relative fiction
[9:25] novel, Edgar Allan Poe and then The Raven.
[9:29] So I've got that bit. Very good.
[9:32] That was very impressive. Now we have to figure out an
[9:35] anagram of Raven. Yes, which is also.
[9:38] The name of a village in Goa? Vare Arvind Anwar Verana.
[9:43] Oh very close. Vindra.
[9:45] Come on, idea. Verna.
[9:48] Verna. Very good, Verna.
[9:50] Hey, that's a huge name, Karra. Yeah, I know.
[9:52] I'm. Not going to tell you the name
[9:53] of the car, right? It's better to go obscure
[9:55] village than nobody. I will like.
[9:56] I'm very sorry to all people in Goa.
[9:58] Verna is a very popular place there doesn't even industrial
[10:00] estate over there. It's a huge thing.
[10:01] Yeah. Nice.
[10:04] So yeah, you've got Verna, you've got Raven, you've got
[10:07] Edgar Allan Poe. So what's the name of the show?
[10:09] I'll give this out to you Wadith here, since I don't know yet.
[10:12] I actually don't know. 2023 gothic horror show.
[10:15] Yeah. Oh, the Raven that refused to
[10:18] sing. The Do Raven Sing?
[10:21] No, this is an absolutely obscure reference to an album by
[10:25] an artist called Stephen Wilson of Porcupine Tree.
[10:28] Probably one or two of his listeners would like.
[10:30] I know what that is and this is a shout out to those people.
[10:34] Real deep cuts happening here. I love it.
[10:36] Real deep cuts. Real deep cuts, but I don't.
[10:39] Know the show? Maybe it'll help if you tell me
[10:41] which network it was on or which platform it was on.
[10:44] Yeah, Netflix. Netflix.
[10:45] Oh. I will give you also one more
[10:47] clue. The clue is Flanagan.
[10:50] Oh, Flanagan. What is that named?
[10:52] Shrinkable. Yeah, it's a character from.
[10:55] No, not a character. It's a showrunner.
[10:58] I was going to say something to do with Stranger Things, but I
[11:00] was also thinking character so I guess I'm not right.
[11:03] No, Stranger Things are the the what brothers.
[11:07] It's a very funny name. Stranger Things The showrunners
[11:09] are a couple of brothers. The Duffer brothers, anyways.
[11:12] Duffer Brothers, yeah. So Mike Flanagan, I will tell
[11:16] you some of his other shows, which will probably give you a
[11:18] good idea of which series I'm talking about, The Haunting of
[11:21] Hill House. I know that.
[11:23] Drastic show haunting of Blind Manor.
[11:26] OK, this this show has the name Harting in it.
[11:29] No. I feel like this has the name
[11:31] House so I remember there's a show like this and the robot has
[11:34] some connection. Doctor House, No.
[11:41] OK, so I'll give it to you. You basically got it.
[11:43] It's the Fall of the House of Usher.
[11:47] Usher assume that rapper. No, this is the original usher.
[11:51] Report it this way before Usher, Usher, Usher.
[11:54] OK. The actual novel basically reads
[11:57] like there's something going on a deep dark night.
[12:00] A man walks into a house to meet his friend and the friend kind
[12:03] of tells him the story of what happened to his house.
[12:06] Like the people in his house, how each of them kind of die in
[12:08] the meantime. You can hear sounds in the
[12:10] background. It's a very, very creepy book.
[12:13] You should definitely read it. I always recommend Edgar and go
[12:15] to anybody who's not read like a proper gothic novel, as Bertie
[12:21] very cleverly worked out Raven and Verna.
[12:24] I didn't work out the one hour. I did everything else except
[12:27] what I. Do honestly, I feel like you did
[12:29] the heavy lifting on that question.
[12:31] I just came in to put some finishing flourishes, but I will
[12:34] take the credit. That was a great question we
[12:37] need and I believe that passes it back to Bertie.
[12:40] Bertie, go with your second question.
[12:42] What don't you have a question? In the middle, no.
[12:44] OK. We really make our guests do a
[12:46] lot of work. We don't take it easier.
[12:48] Our guess? What's the point of having a
[12:50] guest if they don't get them to ask a lot of questions?
[12:55] OK, cool. OK.
[12:56] So as you, as I told you, have not done any research at all.
[13:00] So since you brought up Ravens, OK, So Ravens are extremely
[13:05] smart and they're from the Corvidae family, the crow
[13:08] family, right? So Ravens have this very
[13:11] specific thing which they have learned over hundreds of years
[13:14] of being an urban bird, is that they are able to pinpoint and
[13:21] spot certain things with uncanny precision.
[13:25] So they know things which other birds don't see.
[13:28] So the Dutch people were like, what can we do with these birds?
[13:35] They were like, OK, we're going to make them as our
[13:37] sustainability ambassadors. So they had a huge issue which
[13:41] was making the streets dirty and unclean, and it was a habit
[13:46] which people have had for many years.
[13:48] They couldn't stop people from doing something that'll keep the
[13:52] streets clean. One dude trained Ravens to pick
[13:56] up a certain object from the side of the street and drop it
[14:00] into dust bins or whatever, and they got rewarded.
[14:04] And the best part about Raven is it's very good at passing on
[14:07] information from generation to generation.
[14:09] So all he had to do was teach like 10 Ravens, and all of them
[14:12] taught their family. And then they taught that
[14:13] there's a whole community of Ravens who are doing actual
[14:15] community service. Oh wow, here's my question.
[14:18] What do the Ravens pick up? I'm guessing chewing up.
[14:23] It'll be very tough to pick up to chewing gum, which is stuck
[14:26] on no see. It's such a huge problem that
[14:28] they had to train animals. Chewing gum is a very rare
[14:31] problem. Very true.
[14:32] My second guess in that case would be cigarette butts.
[14:36] There you go. Yes, cigarette butts, and
[14:38] because they have specifically that orange and white thing, he
[14:42] could train them to pick up anything that is small and has
[14:44] an orange and a white bit. And they used to pick up
[14:46] cigarette butts and put it and because they're so good at this,
[14:49] this is a great way community source and everyone's pick up
[14:51] cigarette butts. Nice.
[14:54] I just realized Bertie just truly improvised that question.
[14:57] He segued into it without any like how Vinnie that I struggle
[15:02] to find segues into our questions because we have
[15:03] prepared the questions beforehand.
[15:05] Bertie is just winging it and much of the style of Raven.
[15:09] His keen observation skills are good at picking out trivia.
[15:14] I love it. This actually reminds me of a
[15:16] piece of trivia I heard recently that in New Zealand they found
[15:20] that traffic cones which have been put to the side of the road
[15:24] in our tunnel were being kind of rolled over.
[15:28] So when authorities came in the morning, they found that these
[15:30] traffic cones were in a different location, blocking
[15:34] tunnels and whatnot, right? It was very difficult for them
[15:36] to figure out exactly what was going on.
[15:38] And after an investigation, they found that there are these birds
[15:41] like paraplegic birds called Kias, which lived in New
[15:44] Zealand. And these birds had learnt by
[15:48] observation that when motorists are stopped at the side of the
[15:52] road and they see the Kia, they tend to feed them.
[15:56] And they also noticed that when a orange cone is in front, a car
[16:00] doesn't move. So these were literally dragging
[16:03] these orange corn so that cars would stop and feed them.
[16:07] Yeah, nice. Smart smart birds man, Smart
[16:10] birds. I don't know why people call
[16:11] them bird brain like people say bird brained as a derogatory.
[16:15] I know as an insult, right? I'm like, thank you.
[16:20] So Aditya. All right, I'm going to describe
[16:24] a person this has to do with Bertie because you mentioned
[16:28] he's a biologist. So so I'm going to talk about
[16:30] somebody from that field. Stephen was born on August 21st,
[16:35] 1961 in the United States. His father was a draftsman and
[16:41] designer in the aerospace industry.
[16:44] He and he used to live in California.
[16:47] At a very young age he developed a passion for sea life and when
[16:51] films by Jacques Cousteau, a French oceanographer, made a
[16:55] strong impression on him, This Stephen has said that Cousteau
[16:58] provided a view into the world which he had not known existed.
[17:03] As he grew older, he also started diving and and
[17:06] snorkeling and that further deepened his interest in the
[17:10] marine life. As you can see where this
[17:13] question is going. He became a marine biologist
[17:15] eventually because that's the field that he was deeply and
[17:18] keenly interested in. During a few summers, actually,
[17:22] after finishing high school and before going for college, where
[17:24] he did study marine biology, he also worked at a fast food
[17:27] seafood restaurant in Maine. He went to the Humboldt State
[17:32] University in Arcata, CA as a marine science major.
[17:37] However, Stephen is more famous for something in pop culture.
[17:43] What is Stephen famous for? OK, before you go any further, I
[17:51] love this dude and I use it in all my university talks and
[17:54] colleges. Oh man.
[17:55] Right. So I'm not going to try the
[17:56] answer, so I'm just going to sit it out.
[17:58] OK? OK.
[17:59] And we're going to wait for Vineet.
[18:01] And once Vineet gets it, we have a song to sing.
[18:05] OK, so I, I think, I think this must be a member of Queen Oh.
[18:10] No, no. Doctor Brian May is a physicist.
[18:12] Brian May is a physicist. OK.
[18:13] Yeah, Miss. Yeah.
[18:14] Also wasn't he British I believe?
[18:16] Yeah, Brian May is British. So you said this is an American?
[18:18] Right in California. That's where he developed his.
[18:20] Oh wait, the Aerosmith. No, no, no.
[18:24] That's a different. You're going in a different
[18:25] field. Going a little cold is not.
[18:27] This has nothing to do with music.
[18:29] The connection to Bertie was. It was only the biologist part,
[18:33] not the music part. Actually, this guy made a ton of
[18:37] money doing this other thing, which is what we remember him
[18:41] for. Oh, by the way, remember, that's
[18:43] a clue. He actually built a really
[18:45] lovely, if I'm not wrong, a aquarium plus a Research Center
[18:51] to study sharks. And he was responsible for
[18:54] entire species of shark being studied and then being born.
[18:58] And so this is a matter of fact, I, I genuinely love this guy a
[19:00] lot. Loved this guy a lot.
[19:02] That's another clue for you. So he's dead.
[19:05] Yes, unfortunately. By the way, I'm just being so
[19:08] confident that I know the answer.
[19:10] It could be completely wrong. Here's the thing, because I do
[19:14] know this question, but I'd have only a certain superficial
[19:17] knowledge. So when you are giving me these
[19:19] deep cuts into this person, I'm really furiously Googling.
[19:22] I'm like a OK, I hope this is the right person and I think you
[19:25] are you are rather right track. I don't think you have anything
[19:27] to worry about that. I was so sure this was going to
[19:29] be a member of a band because you were asking the question
[19:32] with Bertie and I was like, OK, so musician and scientist, and
[19:35] there were quite a few of them. I, I think I'll just once again
[19:39] reiterate something I'd mentioned, I think that might
[19:41] help him working. And I mentioned this
[19:43] specifically him working at a fast food seafood restaurant in
[19:47] Maine. Seafood restaurant specifically.
[19:50] Wait, SpongeBob Square patch? Lovely.
[19:53] That's not well done. Well done.
[19:55] Well done. Finally clicked.
[19:58] Yeah, it took me a little bit of time, but yeah, thank you.
[20:00] I got there. So this stops SpongeBob some
[20:03] time back. So he's technically dead.
[20:05] Apparently he died of mutation. Yeah, right.
[20:09] Right. So he was also interested in art
[20:12] all along. And he was, he was pretty good
[20:15] at it in his school days as well.
[20:16] He minored in art in school. And in fact, a lot of his
[20:20] teachers had told him why don't you just paint fishes is what
[20:23] the advice was. And he initially thought that
[20:25] was a ridiculous idea. And he went on to, I guess do
[20:28] that in in a different tangent, But yeah, something similar.
[20:31] By the random fact there's an actual mushroom that's found in
[20:34] Malaysia which looks like SpongeBob SquarePants.
[20:36] The scientific name is Spongy Forma SquarePants.
[20:39] C This is a lovely piece of trivia.
[20:45] A nice nice nice. Is it an edible mushroom by any
[20:48] chance? If we don't know yet, they
[20:50] discovered it only two years back.
[20:52] If you start seeing SpongeBob SquarePants then.
[20:58] OK, before I I hand over the baton back to Bertie, I only
[21:03] realized in the introduction that he's not just a bio, he's a
[21:05] molecular biologist. This is not, not the best
[21:08] questions. I'm just going to add as a add
[21:10] it as an addendum. Oh.
[21:11] Nice. And I believe Bertie would
[21:12] probably crack this. James Watson is an American
[21:15] molecular biologist. Yeah.
[21:18] And also Nobel Prize winner, Yes.
[21:21] What? Should be famous for being the
[21:23] first Nobel Prize winner to do. Do not give credit to a person
[21:27] who actually did the job. Yes.
[21:29] Roslyn Franklin Yeah, a lot of Nobel Prize winners do that, I
[21:32] believe. I don't think he'd be the first
[21:33] one to do it all of all of that. Do it.
[21:36] That's a prerequisite to winning the Nobel Prize.
[21:38] She practically did everything and they just kind of polished
[21:42] and presented it. Her X-ray crystallography was
[21:44] the first, I think, to actually get this.
[21:46] Crap. Yeah, yeah.
[21:46] Photograph 51. Yeah, that was the name of the
[21:48] photo. I would say because he's an
[21:50] American, he forgot to bow to the king.
[21:52] I think that's important. No, no.
[21:54] Was that what he did? Oh, OK.
[21:57] No, because anybody goes to get the Nobel Prize is King Gustav.
[22:00] You have to bow to the Queen King when you go to get the
[22:03] Nobel Prize. And there are few people who
[22:05] forgot to do it. All of them are Americans.
[22:08] OK, interesting. OK.
[22:10] Was he the first person I don't know to take the money as a
[22:14] cheque instead of cash or something?
[22:17] No, I'd say he wanted to raise funds to support scientific
[22:22] research. Oh dude, he sold his Nobel play.
[22:25] He put it up. Yeah, auction did not.
[22:27] He was the first living Nobel recipient to auction his medal
[22:30] for cool $4.1 million. Wow, four times the price of
[22:35] what he got, Yeah. He was the first living Nobel
[22:39] recipient to auction a medal. The medal was actually later
[22:41] returned to Watson by the purchaser Alisher Usmanov, who
[22:45] is a Russian oligarch. So a little bit of a.
[22:49] I have a feeling into some shady dealing.
[22:52] Bro. I'll give you my better.
[22:53] He's like no, no, no, give me my football team.
[22:57] Well, on paper, on paper, he's the first one to have done that.
[23:00] OK. Oh you can say shit about Watson
[23:02] on you. Have a biologist here.
[23:04] I can confirm any shady thing that's there.
[23:09] All right. OK.
[23:09] Then. Then we are in the clear there.
[23:11] OK. This was just a molecular
[23:13] biologist question for Bertie. Thank you.
[23:16] Handing it back to you. Oh, OK, since our man we need
[23:20] bought a queen, let's do a Queen question.
[23:23] OK, perfect. So there's a song by Queen which
[23:27] a lot of people know. Like it's one of those things
[23:29] that everybody's like, I know the song.
[23:32] OK, so when they first released the album, it did well.
[23:36] Then later on that song started picking up and there it was
[23:41] like, OK, we got to re record this now.
[23:43] So they brought Queen together and said listen the last one.
[23:46] That was a very early album, so some extra things we have to do,
[23:50] add some layers. Also they re recorded the song
[23:54] OK and then they released it under Best of Queen.
[23:57] That album soul like hell. Everybody's like Oh my God, this
[24:01] is greatest thing ever 1976 everybody buys it OK now that
[24:05] album huge and everybody knows every song by heart.
[24:10] Then after that, because of that, doing well, Queen was
[24:13] like, OK, why don't we remaster the first album and re release
[24:16] it again? But that they don't re record
[24:19] anything, they just remaster as it was.
[24:22] When that particular song comes up, there's a very specific line
[24:26] which everybody loves to sing along on a global stage.
[24:31] But if you have the original vinyl or the original album, the
[24:36] iconic voice of Freddie Mercury is silent.
[24:40] So here's my question, what song is this?
[24:44] And this Mandela Effect of this line is what line, which I'm
[24:51] sure all of you have sung, heard it or whatever.
[24:54] If you have the original, it doesn't exist.
[24:57] Only in the remastered version it exists, and that's the ocean
[25:00] that you all know. I have my suspicions, but I want
[25:04] my feet already, so I think, yeah, why don't you go first?
[25:08] Start putting out Queen songs this.
[25:09] Is Vinny it's domain? But I will take a shot.
[25:14] Something that everybody sings that that does make me think
[25:17] Bohemian Rhapsody. OK, that's a good choice.
[25:21] I said. Everybody sings on a global
[25:23] stage and I mean global stage. That's in literally global
[25:26] stage. I was thinking we will we.
[25:28] Will Rock you was what I was going to say.
[25:29] Yeah, we will. Rock You would be my second
[25:31] guess. OK, so these two are songs you
[25:34] just randomly sing. Yeah, but this song is something
[25:37] that's sung at specific points in culture.
[25:42] People sing a Queen song. OK, we were talking.
[25:44] No, no, no. This song.
[25:45] We are the Champions. Yeah, so global stage.
[25:49] Now tell me what Line misses from the original of the world
[25:54] exactly. He doesn't say of the world in
[25:58] the original. Oh, he doesn't.
[26:01] No, he doesn't say of the world in the original.
[26:03] I have the original vinyl. Everybody was like of the world.
[26:06] Hello. There's no off the world because
[26:09] he doesn't say when they remastered in the second edition
[26:12] for best of Queen. For some reason, Freddie Mercury
[26:14] in this act of genius at the last decided to go off the world
[26:20] because at that point of time they were the world's biggest
[26:24] rock band. And it was a bit of narcissistic
[26:26] self-expression of his ego. And everybody's like, OK, sounds
[26:29] good, we'll leave it in. But if you have the original
[26:32] album like I do, he never says off the world.
[26:34] That's insane. That's so nice.
[26:38] That's so cool. Bold.
[26:40] Listen to both the versions. Oh, by the way, random if you
[26:42] thought Freddie Mercury does this only once, so he's done it
[26:45] again. But the next time it was even
[26:46] weirder. There's a song called One Vision
[26:49] from It's a Kind of Magic the album.
[26:51] And in the end it just keeps one vision, one vision, one vision
[26:54] and it's supposed to fade out like that.
[26:57] Freddie Mercury had taken like 3 or 4 takes and at the end of it
[27:00] he was so hungry. So the last words he sang was
[27:05] fried chicken and that state. And now by the time everybody
[27:12] had done the lyrics and it had gone out.
[27:14] So none of the lyrics have it, only he says fried chicken.
[27:17] And they were like, OK, fine, leave it in the mix again.
[27:20] It's like fried chicken. Oh boy.
[27:22] Oh God it reminds me of this video I saw recently.
[27:26] There was a song, ARA man song Robadi, robadi.
[27:31] So there's a, there's a that she doesn't actually say robadi.
[27:34] She says robbery, robbery somewhere.
[27:35] Robbery. Do you want a follow up
[27:40] question? Yes, yes, please.
[27:42] Simple, which bands bass guitarist played the iconic bass
[27:47] riff for Dil SE? You know the song Dil SE Re?
[27:49] Dil SE re. You know that?
[27:54] That's a bass riff. Yeah.
[27:55] Which bands bass guitarist played it?
[27:57] I'll give you each five. OK, both of you. 5 for Vinit
[28:01] and. I can, I can give my fight to
[28:03] Vinit also, but OK, let's try this.
[28:06] Just name bands. I'm trying to remember who the
[28:10] bass guitarist was for ARM and Super Band.
[28:12] Super heavy. Is he?
[28:14] Is he part of that? Nope, he's not.
[28:16] He's not, he's not super heavy, OK?
[28:18] No, no name bands. That's all Name famous bands.
[28:21] OK. OK, I'm going first.
[28:23] My first guess is Nirvana. Nirvana, very good.
[28:27] Nirvana's base guitarist Milosovich.
[28:28] He's not in. OK.
[28:30] Doc, Name a band. Name a band.
[28:32] Why am I blinding? Think of Air Ramana.
[28:35] Just name a famous band. In India.
[28:37] Everybody knows his band. That's it, you have 5 gasses so.
[28:41] Pressure. OK, See, Vineet has the pressure
[28:46] because he knows this stuff. I have feel no pressure at all.
[28:48] I can name four more bands and I would have no pressure at all in
[28:51] doing that. OK Vineet, I'll help you out.
[28:53] You take it. I'm going to go and get the
[28:55] wrong answers out of the way because you said Indian band.
[28:57] I don't even know if Indian Ocean was around.
[28:59] No, not Indian bands, Not Indian band famous or.
[29:01] Defined. They're not Indian.
[29:02] Indian Ocean was around and Rahul Ram is the basis for
[29:04] Indian Ocean. Who, by the way, is a
[29:06] toxicologist? Wow.
[29:09] It's not an Indian band, it's a band famous in India.
[29:11] OK, it's an international band, but everybody in India knows.
[29:14] Then the next guess I will have to make is.
[29:17] Metallica. OK Metallica.
[29:19] Metallica's basis is Trujillo, not him.
[29:21] Very nice, not OK. Or Jason used to.
[29:24] Their very first bassist also not him.
[29:26] Too early for Linkin Park or is it?
[29:28] Is it? Linkin Park, Not him, not that
[29:30] bassist also, who's still. Playing, by the way, John, OK
[29:34] Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin.
[29:35] Oh my God, One of the greatest bassists of all time, John Paul
[29:38] Jones. No, but it was not JBJ.
[29:41] Your audience are screaming certain names out at the
[29:43] broadcast. I'm trying.
[29:45] To think of anybody who would make sense for this time period.
[29:48] There's somebody in both your lives was like, bro, they're the
[29:51] best band ever, bro. Bro the best band ever.
[29:56] ACTC, OK. ACTC great band but very rock
[30:00] bass no? Nickelback.
[30:05] Famous in India. Very nice.
[30:08] OK, but no, it was not Nickelback.
[30:10] You've mentioned the first band whose bassist I don't know the
[30:12] name of, by the way. Famous in India, best band ever.
[30:18] Genuinely the most famous band. Everybody like you know somebody
[30:21] who's got AT shirt, you know somebody who talks about it the.
[30:22] Eagles. Hotel California.
[30:24] Very nice schlit. Yeah, it would be great.
[30:28] Wonderful singer. But no, it is not the Eagles
[30:30] bassist. Is it again the time frame?
[30:32] I'm not sure. Aerosmith.
[30:33] Fond of a band and I the bassist is very no.
[30:37] Basically pretty guitars. But no.
[30:38] Now both of you have one guess each, and I can tell you this
[30:41] band's name is bigger than all the bands you've ever mentioned.
[30:44] How is it possible? How is that how we missed out?
[30:46] You too. Great band, fantastic bassist,
[30:50] and your five options are out. Somebody bigger than these guys
[30:55] that will make sense I. In India.
[30:58] Famous in India. Adam Clayton is a bassist for
[31:02] But You Too, by the Way. But who's bigger than like,
[31:07] yeah. Bigger, much bigger, much, much
[31:09] bigger. And you know the guy who likes
[31:11] his band is going to be talking like this, bro.
[31:14] What a band, bro. You have one more guest, Aditya.
[31:19] The Rolling Stones. The Rolling Stones is your last
[31:22] guest and it's not. It's not events.
[31:25] We are done. Are you ready for the reveal?
[31:26] Do I get points? Yeah, yeah, as many points as
[31:30] you want. Please tell me you heard of a
[31:32] band called Pink Floyd. You're.
[31:34] Kidding me, are you? Pink Floyd.
[31:37] Pink Floyd. So Pink Floyd bassist is Guy
[31:41] Pratt, who replaced Roger Waters and he's played for more years
[31:45] as Pink Floyd bassist than ever. And when AR Roman was in Peter
[31:49] Gabriel's studio, he ran into Guy Pratt and said bro.
[31:52] Peter Gabriel is in Genesis P Peter Gabriel.
[31:54] Yeah, he was in Peter Gabriel's studio and he was recording for
[31:57] World Mission Project when Guy Pratt walked across and Peter
[32:00] said, do you know this is Guy Pratt?
[32:01] He's like, yeah, he's being fled bassist.
[32:03] And by this year he's like, yeah, I know he's pretty big in
[32:06] the Indian seat. They're like, OK, both of you
[32:08] talk to each other. He's like, I am doing a song
[32:10] called Dilse, would you like to play the bass?
[32:11] He's like, yeah. So Guy Pratt, the bassist of
[32:14] Pink Floyd, he's a guy who played the tint, tint, tint,
[32:17] tint, tint. That's him and not Keith Peters,
[32:20] who played the bass for every other song in that album.
[32:22] Wait, is he credited on the album?
[32:24] Yep, he is. And not only that, I had it
[32:27] confirmed by Guy himself. So I I'm friends with Guy Pratt
[32:30] on Twitter. So I pinged him and said hey
[32:32] Guy, thank you for the great work.
[32:33] He's like thanks bro it is so good.
[32:35] It was recording that. Dude.
[32:36] That dude what has happened? This episode is blowing my mind.
[32:40] Left right, centre. Oh my God.
[32:45] This is not the original question.
[32:46] This was the follow up question to the quick question.
[32:48] This is such a great question, wow.
[32:50] I would hate to know what kind of question you'd ask when you
[32:52] actually prepared. Yeah.
[32:56] OK, now come back to my statement.
[32:57] Isn't Pink Floyd bigger than all of this?
[32:59] You can arguably say that you can.
[33:01] One of the biggest. One of the biggest.
[33:03] Second, don't you all know one dude Like bro?
[33:05] Pink Floyd is the best band, bro.
[33:08] Like everybody has a T-shirt, one of those Prism T-shirts.
[33:11] The dark side of the moon, yeah. Yeah, Dark Side of the Moon
[33:13] T-shirts. Yeah, That's, that's fair.
[33:14] Yeah, that's fair. Yeah.
[33:15] But that actually says more about the graphic artist than
[33:17] the band itself, to be fair. Vinit has strong opinions about
[33:21] stuff like this. I must warn you, Vinit has very
[33:23] strong opinion. Nice, I like it.
[33:27] You know, as soon as you said Pink Floyd, both Vinit and I, I
[33:30] think we might have issues editing this later because we is
[33:34] the first time in the 90th episode of this podcast called
[33:38] Are you quizzing me? That I think both of us said.
[33:40] Are you kidding me at the same time?
[33:44] Nice. I'm part of history, I'm part of
[33:47] lower. I love these small things where
[33:51] you just keep the piece of trivia about people who come on
[33:54] and play a small part in your music, and many of the times
[33:58] they're uncredited. You know, like Eric Clapton did
[34:01] for The Beatles. Why make it gently weeps?
[34:04] Van Halen did it for Michael Jackson.
[34:06] Beat it. The Black Eyed Peas.
[34:09] Where is the love? The chorus is not Fung.
[34:13] Fergie Timberlake, Justin Timberlake.
[34:15] Yeah. So I like these kind of things.
[34:18] And I'm just wondering how they'll say one of my favorite
[34:20] albums. I actually, I had the old
[34:22] cassette and I used to listen to that obsessively and I can't
[34:26] remember seeing this at all. There you go.
[34:29] Today, after so many years, there's this fun about this
[34:32] attitude. Learn.
[34:33] So This is why trivia you can never say that you know I know
[34:36] everything. Vineet and I have spoken about
[34:38] doing like super cut off episodes with the same theme and
[34:42] we have done Dil SE questions, I believe like two or three times
[34:45] like we've done Chaiya Chaiya at least definitely twice as
[34:47] featured so we can actually do a super cut.
[34:50] I'm going to guess the answer. What heritage sites?
[34:52] UNESCO. Was it the answer?
[34:54] No, no, no. There we go.
[34:55] We have another. Question.
[34:56] Right now we have another one. There are some people like Teddy
[35:01] Roosevelt appears on our podcast every 10 episodes or so.
[35:05] The Beatles. I've asked at least 3-4
[35:07] questions about The Beatles. Aditi asked another 3-4
[35:09] questions about The Beatles, some of which I embarrassingly
[35:12] flubbed. Nice.
[35:14] OK, I'm glad to be part of this. Now who do I pass the baton to
[35:17] now? I believe it's Vineet.
[35:19] It's my turn. OK?
[35:21] Let me see if I can bring a little wow back to you.
[35:29] The origins of X can be traced back to the most ancient
[35:33] civilizations. X is mentioned in the Bible and
[35:38] historians believe that it originated in Sumeria.
[35:42] Through migration, it was introduced to Persia and India,
[35:46] and subsequently to Greece and Rome.
[35:49] In fact, a Roman historian of the 1st century wrote that the
[35:53] Emperor Nero knew how to use it. Though X is currently associated
[36:00] with one country in the minds of almost everybody on Earth,
[36:04] versions of X still exist in many other countries, including
[36:09] India. Namely, I'll give you one the
[36:12] second I'm holding out as a clue.
[36:15] It's called the Mashak in North India.
[36:18] What am I talking about? You said use it, right?
[36:22] Nero knew how to use it, allegedly.
[36:24] Yes, a very carefully worded question is what I would say.
[36:28] OK. So something which we wouldn't
[36:32] normally associate with olden times, that's what you're trying
[36:35] to say. It's something that we all.
[36:36] It's very old, but currently everybody associates it with one
[36:40] country. Like you see this, it
[36:42] immediately evokes the images of one particular country.
[36:45] Because you said the word use, I'm not so sure.
[36:46] But initially I was like pyramids, because pyramids have
[36:48] been there in multiple cultures, multiple countries.
[36:51] Yeah, but Sudan has more pyramids than Egypt.
[36:54] I mean, you associate Egypt immediately with pyramids.
[36:57] Yes, yes, that's true. Yeah, but.
[36:58] It doesn't make sense that they were used anyways.
[37:00] NATO would know how to use pyramids.
[37:02] Yeah, as I mentioned, this is mentioned in the Bible.
[37:05] It originated in Somalia, which is like present day Israel and
[37:08] taught in that area. Is it something like an Abacus?
[37:12] No, not an Abacus. Because we all think only
[37:14] Chinese guys use it. But yeah.
[37:17] No, that's smart answer. But no, like I said, I've said
[37:21] the word use, but maybe I'll give a clue and replace the word
[37:26] use with play. Oh, so it's an instrument, the
[37:31] liar. No, not the lion.
[37:34] Oh, you're supposed to play the fiddle?
[37:35] Oh yeah, Nero supposedly play the fiddle.
[37:39] So I think it's a urban legend from this, but he never actually
[37:44] played the fiddle while Rome burnt.
[37:45] He might have played it just before or after, but apparently
[37:48] not while it was burning. So it's an instrument which, as
[37:51] soon as you see it, you think of a particular country.
[37:53] Exactly. Oh, nice.
[37:56] Like if you say accordion and French music, stuff like that,
[37:59] Yeah. I was thinking something very
[38:01] like specially like a tabla would like would be very hard to
[38:03] think of anything beyond India. OK, so I'm going to give you one
[38:06] more a clue. So I said the Mashak in North
[38:09] India, right? There are two different versions
[38:11] in South India. One I'm going to tell you now
[38:14] and the second I'm going to leave because the second is a
[38:16] Tamil 1. So I'm going to keep that as the
[38:17] last clue. It's the Titi.
[38:20] The Titi in South India or the Mashak in North India.
[38:24] There's one that's very specific to Tamil Nadu, which I'm going
[38:26] to keep as the last clue. OK, dude, it still sounds like
[38:30] something that's on the percussion front, so Titi.
[38:34] Think back to the time I told you it that it originated.
[38:38] It's flute something associate only with India though.
[38:40] I don't know. I don't think so.
[38:42] No band flutes are big. But then yeah.
[38:46] I mean, I'm guessing the Tamil word will be a giveaway.
[38:48] For me I don't know it's a because I'm not that conversant
[38:51] Tamil. I can understand Tamil and watch
[38:54] Rajinikanth and Vijay movies if you.
[38:56] Tell me the name, then you're saying that I would know.
[38:58] Knowing you, you might. If I told it were the average
[39:00] Tamil person, they might not know, but you might.
[39:03] OK. Do we have the right family of
[39:04] instruments? Is it percussion by any chance?
[39:07] It's not percussion. Oh.
[39:09] Interesting. OK, I'll give you one extra clue
[39:13] before you're giving the name in Tamil.
[39:15] If you're somebody who studied in a very traditional Indian
[39:19] school with a kind of British hangover, you probably may have
[39:24] seen this. It's a backpipe.
[39:28] It's a backpipe. Wow.
[39:32] We think of Scotland. Yeah, we think of Scotland.
[39:35] Yeah. Nice.
[39:37] OK, there is a version of a backpipe I'm told in Tamil Nadu
[39:41] called the Sruti Upanga. Now, Upanga.
[39:43] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, fine.
[39:45] It's basically a bag with air and then it has two drones in
[39:48] it. So the drones make that sound
[39:50] nice. OK, yeah, Basically, shruti
[39:52] Upanga is meaning the drone, the note, the shruti of the note.
[39:55] Like if it's a Sapasa, the saag just keeps going.
[39:58] Interesting. I did not notice that the
[40:00] backpikes come in the Bible. This I gotta see.
[40:03] Yeah, so apparently X is mentioned in the Bible.
[40:05] The thing is, people believe that there are certain things
[40:09] which have been passed down for many, many thousands of years
[40:12] because of the simplicity and the basic concept behind it.
[40:16] So the first ever humans who made, who had civilization, we
[40:20] were herders and then we started to have agriculture.
[40:23] So for a shepherd, what do they have?
[40:26] They have reeds, They have sheepskins.
[40:29] The stomach of a sheep, which is what the original bagpipe was
[40:31] made from. So that's why one, it's one of
[40:33] the older instruments, right? So the oldest instruments are
[40:35] all percussion and wind instruments because usually
[40:38] people either bang on something and make a noise or they blow
[40:41] through something and make a noise.
[40:43] String instruments came much later.
[40:45] Similarly, if I'm not mistaken, do you know which is the oldest
[40:49] form of dance? Like we would say like an
[40:51] organized form, not have we wouldn't create a classical
[40:54] dance form today, but it's the oldest continuously used or
[40:58] continuously played for dance, some funeral dance or something
[41:01] like the dapangutu, which because we were dancing at
[41:03] people's death all the time. No, no, not.
[41:06] But it's a little surprising to me.
[41:08] When I heard it then I was like, why am I surprised?
[41:10] It's. It makes sense.
[41:12] This is an Indian dance or like any any dancer, no.
[41:15] No, no, no, I'm talking Middle Eastern.
[41:17] Very, very old wedding. Dances or the hair?
[41:21] It is danced at weddings. That's the biggest clue.
[41:22] That particular form is danced at weddings.
[41:25] It has to be some group thing where everybody holds hand.
[41:27] It's the belly dance. What we consider is the kind of
[41:30] belly dance is one of the oldest forms of dance.
[41:32] Very cool. Very nice I.
[41:35] Like it Arab weddings, like they have segregated areas for women
[41:38] and areas for men and in among women.
[41:41] This is what still goes on in the Middle Eastern countries.
[41:44] You know, there are a lot of belly dancing going.
[41:45] It's one of the oldest parts of dance.
[41:48] So the Titi and the Mashak are Indian versions of the backpack?
[41:52] Cool question. Nice.
[41:53] Thank you doc, Very nice. And the clue that I gave with
[41:57] the British Hangover School is because I had it my school as
[42:00] well. We had a marching band.
[42:03] Oh yeah, yeah. And you needed good lung
[42:05] capacity to play one of those bagpipes.
[42:07] And you needed to be tall because you tended to be towards
[42:09] the back. Excellent.
[42:12] Is it now me? Yes, it is back to you.
[42:17] So since you brought up Backpage and Scotland, very short, very
[42:22] small question. What is the national animal of
[42:24] Scotland and why? Oh, I know this.
[42:27] Oh, I don't know the why, but I can tell you what it is.
[42:29] OK, both of you 321 go. Unicorn.
[42:32] Yes, it is the Unicorn. Now figure out why.
[42:36] Because the Scots are weird. I want to say something like
[42:40] this because I've, I've heard this in other places of the
[42:42] scenarios where you open it up as a contest to kids and then
[42:45] some kid selects it and they have like a contest and like,
[42:48] you know, a kid enters it or something.
[42:50] You would think right? No, this was an actual well
[42:54] thought out decision by the government of Scotland.
[42:58] OK, here's can I give you a clue?
[43:01] OK, please do. Who do the Scots hate?
[43:07] The English Oh OK, the English lion can be killed by Unicorn.
[43:12] Perfect one points to you. So historically the only animal
[43:17] that can kill a lion has always been in lore about mythology is
[43:22] about the Unicorn. So when the Brit said the lion
[43:25] is herald and lion is going to be logo Scott's like, OK, you
[43:28] know what? We'll make the Unicorn a
[43:29] rational animal, right, because it can kill the lion.
[43:33] People are like, but it doesn't exist.
[43:34] Oh yeah, we don't care. But very, very interestingly, in
[43:41] 2009 or something, they had a discovery in the Highlands of
[43:45] Scotland where they discovered the fossil of an ancient mammal
[43:49] which had a single Big Horn in the front.
[43:52] Oh yeah. So there was something like a
[43:54] Unicorn that did exist on the Highlands, which is this
[43:57] coincidence where it is brilliant.
[43:59] There are marine mammals with horns.
[44:00] The narwhal, yeah. Nice.
[44:02] There you go guys. Well done.
[44:04] Nice. Hopefully when they gain
[44:07] independence with, I mean obviously after all this they
[44:10] do, then they will be needing to start a reserve forest for the
[44:14] national animal. Let's see what they do then.
[44:19] Oh, exciting times. Exciting times indeed.
[44:21] OK, cool. Well, since we are in Europe,
[44:24] I'm going to take that as a cue for my next question.
[44:27] Oh segue. As good a segue as I can manage
[44:31] because I have a questions pre planned.
[44:34] OK, I'm pretty sure both of you, the smart people that you are,
[44:38] have heard of Reductio ad Hitler.
[44:41] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, basically every argument
[44:44] evolves into Hitler. Yeah, at some point.
[44:46] It's basically the idea that you can invalidate someone else's
[44:48] argument on the basis that the same idea was promoted or
[44:51] practiced by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party or whatever,
[44:54] comparing them to the Nazi Party.
[44:56] And as you might be able to smart enough to figure out the
[44:59] fact that sometimes that holds water, but very often it
[45:01] doesn't. It's like, oh, you know who else
[45:03] was vegetarian? Hitler was vegetarian, So stuff
[45:06] like that. So it's an association fallacy.
[45:10] The question is in a very similar vein before the Second
[45:14] World War, who was used as a stand in for just reducing an
[45:19] argument to this kind of stupid conclusion, especially in
[45:23] Western countries. I don't know about this but I'm
[45:25] just going to say it has to be some idiotic Greek guy.
[45:32] So no, it's not a Greek guy. It's not a Greek guy though.
[45:34] Not not too far though. Not too far.
[45:38] What I'm thinking is you're saying that this is somebody
[45:40] price, so it has to be somebody universally hated in the Western
[45:43] world, right? Yes.
[45:46] And you said just prior to the Second World War, so the only
[45:50] person who comes to mind first is Napoleon.
[45:53] OK, so here's what I have to say.
[45:55] And Napoleon. I don't know if it's universally
[45:57] hated. Like I don't know if the French
[45:58] hate Napoleon. No, not the French.
[46:00] Everybody else hates the French. You don't count the French, OK,
[46:04] no. So I'll give you what else.
[46:06] And I didn't mean just before the word.
[46:08] I just meant like before Hitler came onto the scene, who was
[46:11] ascending. That's what I meant.
[46:12] So this was somebody who was used during the 18th, 19th and
[46:15] early 20th century. My second year is going to be
[46:18] Julius Caesar. No, it wasn't Caesar.
[46:22] Again, these might have been used at some point, but I'm
[46:24] asking for the most common one that was used.
[46:27] The devil was obviously one of the choices that I guess the
[46:29] devil still does invoke, but devil is not the answer here.
[46:31] It's not. That's a very general.
[46:33] Yeah, I'm looking for a specific person.
[46:36] You said 17th, 18th and 19th centuries.
[46:38] Right from 16th century. Probably.
[46:40] Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[46:41] Oh, was it Genghis Khan? Not Genghis Khan, no.
[46:46] I think for Europe it will be more of Attila.
[46:48] Genghis Khan Judas. He need not be in the military
[46:53] thing at all. Judas has nothing to do with the
[46:54] military. He's a guy who had a bad RIP.
[46:57] Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly. Oh, somebody's got a very bad
[47:00] RIP. That can cover a lot of people.
[47:04] Vlad Dracula. No, no, not Dracula.
[47:08] No, Drac came after they ate. Yeah, OK.
[47:11] No, the original guy, the Vlad the Impaler.
[47:14] Is that person fictional or actually real?
[47:16] OK, so we are talking about a biblical figure in this case.
[47:21] OK. And as is the case of biblical
[47:24] figures, they're inspired by real life people.
[47:27] But this has to be Pontius. Pilate, I guess not.
[47:30] Pontius Pilate? No, No.
[47:31] The Herod. No, it's not the Herod either.
[47:34] We already mentioned Judas, right?
[47:36] Judas, I already mentioned, yeah.
[47:37] I mean, he's the biggest bad guy other than the devil, so who
[47:40] else? Cain has a bad rib.
[47:43] The brother who killed his own brother.
[47:46] OK, so this is somebody mentioned in the book of Exodus.
[47:51] Ramses. Oh, Exodus has to be like the
[47:54] Pharaoh. Yeah, Ramses.
[47:56] Exactly, we are talking about the Pharaohs.
[47:58] The pharaoh of the book of Exodus was commonly considered
[48:00] the most villainous person in history and was used as a
[48:04] comparison very often. In fact, during the American
[48:07] Civil War, some Confederates called Lincoln a modern pharaoh.
[48:12] That's the level of villainy that the Pharaoh was was
[48:17] associated with. Another one which is commonly
[48:20] used by this only in American context was King George the
[48:22] Third. Yeah, yeah, the bad guy, yeah.
[48:24] King George, third, was often vilified in the United States.
[48:27] Nice. OK.
[48:28] King George was actually used as a comparison as recently as 1992
[48:32] by Pat Buchanan when referring to President George HW Bush.
[48:36] He called it King George the Third.
[48:39] I was like a There have been more examples since then, you
[48:41] can't think of something more recent?
[48:43] My history book. That's all I know.
[48:47] So that brings me to the end of my question and those are some
[48:50] interesting segues. I probably didn't consider as
[48:52] many villains in history as you guys throughout there.
[48:58] Yeah, great question, Adi, great question.
[49:00] I think that's all the time we have for our regular questions.
[49:03] But never fear, Bertie is going to be back for our next episode
[49:07] as well. So before we wrap up for this
[49:09] 90th episode, that is the small matter of the audience question
[49:12] that I asked at the beginning of today's episode, as in which is
[49:16] the largest toy distributor in the world.
[49:20] Bertie Aditya, do you have any ideas as to what the answer
[49:24] could be? I mean toy distributor because I
[49:27] it's different from toy maker, right?
[49:29] So I was thought of Lego but then they make a lot of toys but
[49:32] they don't distribute so. I was thinking it has to be some
[49:35] sort of like Aun body. UNICEF perhaps?
[49:40] Very, very good guess, Maditya, but unfortunately you're wrong.
[49:43] I have only one answer and I will.
[49:45] I will not take any other answer for this Santa Claus.
[49:49] Oh. He gives it to every kid on the
[49:52] planet. Every kid on the planet, yes.
[49:56] But also no. SO OK.
[50:00] Any other guesses, Hari? I'm guessing it has to be some
[50:03] sort of NGO because probably done at a large enough scale.
[50:06] Make a Wish Foundation would probably not be big enough.
[50:09] Nice. This is international the.
[50:12] WHO? Nope.
[50:14] When they're reaching out to. Kids, I guess.
[50:15] No, no. Oh, McDonald's.
[50:18] Yes, McDonald's. It is McDonald's.
[50:21] Oh, I knew this answer. The great crack.
[50:23] Great. Crack.
[50:23] Great, I'll tell you why. Random fact for my life,
[50:26] McDonald's at one point of time had a Batman and Beyond her
[50:29] character which goes out to the kids meals and we were in
[50:33] Chennai, I was in the mall and I saw the McDonald's had the
[50:36] Batman and Beyond, specifically the one of the blue Cape which I
[50:39] didn't have. OK, to be honest, I was not a
[50:42] kid at that point of time. I was very much an adult.
[50:45] I stood in line, I saw that thing.
[50:47] I was like, I want it right? And I was nice boy.
[50:51] I was standing in the line and behind me was this kid who was
[50:54] being very annoying to his mom. He was like mommy, I want
[50:57] Batman, I want Batman. I was like OK, fine, whatever.
[51:00] Do try getting in front of me of the line, OK?
[51:03] And I was like, excuse me, go back, right?
[51:06] I go up and I say I want the kids meals and they're like oh,
[51:09] for your child, look for me, right?
[51:12] And I get it. Now here's the point.
[51:14] I didn't know this, but they had only one of those kids meals.
[51:17] Oh my God. I took it OK, And I said thank
[51:20] you. And then I moved to the side,
[51:22] paid for it, kid. And the mum comes, kid asks for
[51:24] a Happy meal. They give him a happy meal, but
[51:26] it had some random Penguin or something like that.
[51:28] He's like, I want I no, no, no, I want that.
[51:31] And they're like, no, Sir, that was the last one.
[51:33] He's gone, OK. And his mom was like, Sir, I was
[51:37] like, you want the burger? Take the burger.
[51:41] They're like, no, no, we want the tie.
[51:42] I'm like, no way. Bye loser.
[51:45] And I went. Off like you're like the villain
[51:48] from Jingle All the Way. Can I just say Bertie, this is
[51:51] exactly how super villains are made, OK?
[51:53] That kid is coming back with a death rate.
[51:55] Yeah, I'm a monocular biologist. I'm just one accident away from
[51:58] becoming one of those doctors who are the bad days and all the
[52:01] marvel. All the bad days are doctors.
[52:03] Have you seen this doc? Every doctor other than Doctor
[52:06] strength is a bad. They're always doctors or
[52:07] they're British. I am Dexter from Dexter's
[52:10] Laboratory with one small accident away from going OK,
[52:14] this world's going to end this. So yes, I get points for
[52:18] McDonald's. Yeah, Nice.
[52:19] Very nice. Very nice.
[52:20] Correct. So we have a tradition here,
[52:22] buddy, of giving pop culture recommendations.
[52:25] Yeah. So what are your recommendations
[52:28] for our audience? Any particular recommendations
[52:30] you want to give? Books, podcast, music, anything.
[52:32] OK, Shall I give podcast? If you have lots of time, I mean
[52:36] little lots of time, and you were ready to go through like
[52:39] 500 episodes, there's a lovely podcast called No Such Thing as
[52:42] a Fish, Fish. We have recommended it in the
[52:45] past. You've already recommended it.
[52:47] Yeah, but it's OK. It's just double recommendation
[52:49] I have. Recommended it.
[52:50] If you've already recommended then I'm going to swing and say
[52:53] there is also something by the same guys when they talk about
[52:57] sport and it's called no such thing as something about the
[52:59] sports. So it's done by Anna and James
[53:03] of No Such Thing as a Fish. It's the same format.
[53:06] But it's great because they give random facts about sports.
[53:09] And I as a quizzer when I grow up, I sport was not my domain.
[53:13] It was my quiz partner versus domain.
[53:15] But now I'm getting better because of this podcast.
[53:18] So yeah, it's a great. It started just now.
[53:21] They're about 8 episodes out and the best part of the podcast is
[53:24] halfway through the episode they start playing the sport.
[53:26] It's called Quite a Good Sport. It's hosted by James Harkin and
[53:29] up at Sandsky. Nice, nice, nice.
[53:32] No such thing as a fish, by the way, shows up as a host
[53:35] recommendation if you go to Spotify and you go to our
[53:37] podcast. Yeah, because both of us have
[53:38] recommended it and we both love the love the show.
[53:41] Yeah, absolutely. There you go.
[53:43] That's my recommendation for great.
[53:45] Pretty cool, Pretty cool, Adi. I'm going to keep it simple.
[53:48] I just watched a film yesterday and I'm going to recommend it.
[53:50] It's called The Big Sick. I really enjoyed it.
[53:54] I had heard of it a fair bit and somehow I was like, OK, I'll get
[53:57] on to it at some point. Yesterday was one of those days
[53:59] and I watched it and I really enjoyed it.
[54:02] Kumar Linjani's own real life story has inspired this.
[54:05] So it's it's pretty much autobiographical in that way and
[54:09] pretty decent acting, some lovely dialogue, good banter,
[54:12] well made film. Check it out.
[54:13] And Holly Hunter, shout out to her in that movie.
[54:17] There's a phenomenal job as the mother of the female
[54:20] protagonist. I'll leave it at that.
[54:22] Vineet. So my recommendation is, I can't
[54:26] imagine why I've not recommended this before because I'm right
[54:28] now watching it for like the second or third time.
[54:31] Is the show Billions? Damian Lewis is one of my
[54:35] favorite actors. I loved him in the show Life,
[54:38] which was unfairly cancelled after two seasons.
[54:40] And he was also the protagonist play in Band of Brothers.
[54:45] He's one of my favorite actors. And then he has a powerhouse
[54:48] performance, which is equally matched by Paul Giamatti, seven
[54:51] seasons of Billions. So we'll watch it.
[54:54] It's available on Disney Hotstar.
[54:55] So that's also my recommendation for this week.
[54:59] That's all the time we have for this episode.
[55:02] I want to thank Buddy for coming on the show.
[55:05] And again, that's not a final thank you.
[55:07] He is coming back for one more episode.
[55:08] So you're not great of him yet. Thank you all for listening in.
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[55:58] Anything you want to plug? Any shows you're hosting or any
[56:02] gig you're going to be? Absolutely fantastic podcast
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[56:11] the first bit of this episode, you also know that you can
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