# Episode 078 - The Olympics, Marvel Comics & The Northwest Passage

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 31 Jul 2024, 1 h 05 min.

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Do you know which Olympic sport got its name from a Connecticut Pie Manufacturer? Do you know what Snikt means? Do you know the enduring legacy of a ship which set out in 1852 to find Franklin's lost expedition in the Northwest Passage? Tune in to find out!! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/areyouquizzingme Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@areyouquizzingme/podcasts

## Transcript

[0:00] Welcome to are you quizzing me I am Vineet Nair with my Co host
[0:04] Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia
[0:07] podcast show Join us as we dive deep into history, science, pop
[0:12] culture and so much more. Let's get.
[0:15] Quizzing Welcome to episode #78 of Are You Quizzing me, your
[0:23] favorite quizzing and trivia podcast show.
[0:26] Aditya and I are back for another round of quizzing and I
[0:30] want to have a thanks out to HK for subbing in for me last week.
[0:36] Without further ado, let's start off today's episode with the
[0:39] audience question. This is a very simple question,
[0:42] hopefully many people will be able to answer this.
[0:45] So my dear audience, which is the most commonly celebrated
[0:49] national celebration worldwide other than religious holidays?
[0:55] Let me repeat the question, which is the most commonly
[0:58] celebrated national celebration worldwide other than religious
[1:03] holidays? And I'm looking for something
[1:05] specifically common to all these countries.
[1:09] So that celebration is a very common celebration and is the
[1:12] most commonly celebrated national celebration worldwide
[1:15] other than religious holidays. So let's say Christmas Eve, all
[1:18] of that is out the window. I'll answer this question the
[1:21] end of today's episode, but let us start off.
[1:24] With Aditya, Welcome back Vineet.
[1:27] OK, so I thought since I'm welcoming you back, why not
[1:33] welcome you back with a question that you I'm sure would
[1:35] appreciate given your love for sports related trivia.
[1:39] Oh, and how much you enjoy sports.
[1:42] We should have a sarcasm kind of klaxon that goes off.
[1:46] I don't think that neurons understand how much I loathe
[1:50] sports questions, but it's all part of the game, so.
[1:55] The day we are able to afford an audio engineer to put in these
[1:59] sound effects. Oh, you best believe New York
[2:03] Times and This American Life. We are coming for you.
[2:10] The top podcast ever? OK.
[2:12] Yes. So, Vineet, I mentioned sports.
[2:16] This should be hopefully a simple enough entry point.
[2:20] I don't know if you'll figure out the answer quickly enough,
[2:22] but it should be simpler to start off.
[2:25] Tell me, what is this a list of? Wow, did I just combine sports,
[2:30] analystical. Amazing.
[2:31] I love it. OK, so at #1 Russia #2 Ukraine
[2:38] #3 Belarus #4 Kazakhstan #5 United States of America #5
[2:46] number six, Bulgaria #7 Turkey. And we continue on for a while
[2:51] more, but these are the top few. Tell me what is this a list of?
[2:57] Olympic wrestling medals or weightlifting medals?
[3:00] So great, I expected you to get the Olympic part very quickly.
[3:03] Yes, it has something to do with the Olympic Games.
[3:05] The Olympic Games are on right now.
[3:07] India has already won its first medal.
[3:09] So something fun for people to lookout for.
[3:13] But this is not wrestling medals.
[3:16] What is this a tally of in the World of Olympics?
[3:22] Number one was Russia. Russia, yeah.
[3:27] Boycotts. Boycotts of the Olympic.
[3:29] Boycotts of the Olympics. Interesting.
[3:31] No, this isn't a boycott. Related thing, because you
[3:35] mentioned mostly Eastern European countries and countries
[3:38] of the old Soviet bloc and my mind went to the Olympics, so
[3:43] they were quite big, mainly in weightlifting and wrestling.
[3:50] That's what springs to mind. Is this number of athletes
[3:54] banned for performance enhancing substances or something like
[3:57] that? Oh, beautiful.
[4:00] Oh wow, I had to. I had prepared a bunch of other
[4:03] clues also because I thought you would take some time to get
[4:06] there. But yes, this is very close.
[4:09] This is the number of medals that have been stripped by
[4:12] country because of cheating related and other related
[4:16] issues. Mostly it is yes, per
[4:18] performance enhancement drugs. There have been some other cases
[4:22] of medals being stripped as well, but Russia leads the
[4:26] charts on this. 46 medals have been stripped off Russia in the
[4:32] entire history of modern Olympics for cheating.
[4:36] And Ukraine is second at 11, Belarus at 11, Kazakhstan at 10,
[4:41] United States tying in Kazakhstan with 10 as well.
[4:44] Bulgaria 7, Turkey 5, and so on and so forth.
[4:49] Us Indians should be proud of the fact that at least, hey, we
[4:51] don't feature on this list. We haven't been stripped of any
[4:54] medals yet. We feature on very few Olympics
[4:56] list, let's be honest whether it's good or bad.
[5:01] Fair enough, Fair enough. So this is a list of the number
[5:05] of countries that have been stripped of medals.
[5:07] That's very interesting because most of these medals have been
[5:11] stripped in the recent history because drug testing has gotten
[5:14] better post 2000, So a lot of them opposed 2000 medals that
[5:19] have been stripped off stripped off of athletes.
[5:22] Interestingly enough, drug testing is not the only reason
[5:25] for medals being stripped off of people in 19 O 4.
[5:31] So one of the first medals being stripped, Jack Egan won two
[5:35] medals in boxing, a silver medal in lightweight category and a
[5:40] tight bronze medal in the welterweight category.
[5:43] Can you take a guess, just take a wild guess as to why Jackie
[5:47] was stripped of these two metals?
[5:49] I don't off the top of my head remember if lightweight and
[5:52] welterweight are right next to each other so that he could and
[5:55] boxing weight categories usually differ by just 2-3 kilograms.
[6:00] So maybe he made water weight or I don't know he he might.
[6:04] I mean like he found something to be able to participate in two
[6:07] different weight classes. Nope.
[6:09] Nope, he didn't fudge anything along.
[6:11] You would think it could have something to do with the weight
[6:12] because he didn't do it in two weight categories.
[6:14] It was because the Amateur Athletic Union, which is an
[6:20] amateur sports organization based in the US.
[6:22] It was illegal to fight under an assumed name.
[6:26] So you're kidding. Jackie Egan was not his real
[6:28] name, so he was stripped off his medals.
[6:32] That's just ridiculous. I mean, that's, that's just
[6:34] cruel. That's just mean.
[6:36] Yeah, yeah. And this whole the Olympics has
[6:40] that whole amateur thing, right? So Jim Thorpe in 1913 was
[6:44] tripped off his medal because he had accepted some expense money
[6:48] for playing baseball. And so they're like, hey, you're
[6:51] not an amateur anymore. I would also like to point our
[6:59] audience towards a documentary I'd watched a few years ago.
[7:02] I think the odd name of the documentary is Icarus.
[7:05] Don't quote me on that, but I think it's called Icarus and it
[7:08] was about the extensive, almost state sponsored drug use for
[7:14] sports by the former USSR and current day Russia.
[7:19] So that's where the idea for the answer came from.
[7:22] So thank you, Icarus. Well done.
[7:25] I will mention one last hilarious case of medal being
[7:29] stripped for non drug related issues and this is dressage,
[7:33] which in and of itself is one of the most hilarious Olympic
[7:36] sports ever. Like like why are those horses
[7:39] ramp walking? I never understand but sure.
[7:42] The Swedish dressage team which won the gold originally at the
[7:45] 1948 games was disqualified by April 1949.
[7:51] You want to take a guess as to why?
[7:52] And I mean like, not in a million years will you get this
[7:54] until unless you already know it, but just try to take a
[7:57] guess. The horses used when they were
[8:03] stepping forward, they stepped by two inches below the
[8:07] requirement or the angle did not reach a 90°.
[8:12] I don't know. This must be something stupid.
[8:13] Come on, Prasad isn't even a sport.
[8:16] It is stupider than what he said because back then only officers
[8:22] or quote UN quote gentlemen riders were eligible to take
[8:25] part. So a few weeks before the
[8:27] competition, the Swedish Army promoted this particular athlete
[8:33] person. His name is Pearson, PER double
[8:35] SON had been promoted to a Lieutenant, and a couple of
[8:39] weeks afterwards, he was demoted back to a Sergeant so that he
[8:42] was able to participate and that the IOC considered as
[8:46] inappropriate or or illegal. So they disqualified the Swedish
[8:52] dressage team. And later they are like, you
[8:54] know what? Maybe our rules are stupid.
[8:55] Like, what is this for officers and gentlemen riders?
[8:58] It sounds so antiquated. So yeah, back in 1948, this was
[9:02] a rule that apparently led to a disqualification.
[9:07] OK, OK, that was a nice question.
[9:10] I am going to play Tit for tat because you asked me a question
[9:15] about something I don't like. So now I'm going to ask you a
[9:19] question. No, this is still on me because
[9:22] this is again a type of question I don't like.
[9:24] I'm going to send you an audio question.
[9:27] OK. I'm going to play you an audio.
[9:32] Let's wait. I'm going to ask you a question,
[9:34] and then I'm also going to play you an audio.
[9:37] And I want you to answer the question after listening to the
[9:42] audio. So the question is as follows.
[9:46] X is a popular American song first published in 1940 and
[9:51] recorded and released by Sammy Kay in 1940 on RCA Victor.
[9:57] It is best remembered for its 1950s rock'n'roll version by
[10:02] Fats Domino. The audio you're going to hear
[10:06] is a cover of the song X. The name of the song is quite
[10:10] easy if you listen to the song. What I need you to tell me is
[10:13] who's singing and. My dreams came true.
[11:04] OK, interesting. Wow, I have no clue whatsoever.
[11:13] Could you give me the details of it one more time?
[11:17] Could you run the details one more time?
[11:18] OK, the song, as I mentioned, is an unpopular American song first
[11:23] released by Sami Kay in 1940. It was most remembered for its
[11:29] 1956 Nineteen 50s Rock'n'roll version by Fats Domino, an
[11:35] African American sing singer-songwriter and pianist.
[11:38] The song that you're hearing is a cover by a very famous
[11:43] personality. I was hoping you'd be able to
[11:45] identify the song and who's singing of.
[11:50] The name of the song is in the song audio itself, so hopefully
[11:53] you should be able to get that. Yeah, so that was the easy part
[11:56] because they said Blueberry Hill a couple of times, so I'm
[12:00] assuming that's the name of the song.
[12:01] Yes, it is Blueberry Hill, composed by Vincent Rose and
[12:06] lyrics by Larry Stock and Al Lewis.
[12:10] You have dropped quite a few names and none of those are
[12:12] familiar to me, so I have no idea who these people are or
[12:16] what the context of any of this is.
[12:18] I am going to take a very, very strange guess here.
[12:22] I have a feeling that that was an Indian accent singing there
[12:26] and because it is US and it is 2 Indian men doing this podcast, I
[12:34] feel slightly confident in at least taking that guess that it
[12:37] is an Indian singer. Is it an Indian singer?
[12:39] Is it somebody Indian? Aditya Aditya Aditya.
[12:43] So once you are wrong, yes it is not an Indian singer.
[12:48] Oh, OK, interesting. So, well, clearly my my ear for
[12:52] accents is all off. OK.
[12:55] No, the reason I picked this obviously apart from the name
[12:59] brand value of the guy person singing the reason is because
[13:05] the person does not sound like himself at all while singing
[13:08] this. OK, that makes a lot more sense
[13:11] then, because I cannot for my life identify what the song can
[13:17] be. So you're asking me for the
[13:20] artist who has sung this, this particular cover, right?
[13:24] Yeah, the the person who's done the cover of the song.
[13:27] OK. And when was this cover?
[13:30] I'll give you that it was in December 10th, 2010.
[13:32] It was a live performance. 2010 OK even if this person is not
[13:39] Indian, it definitely does not sound American as long as this
[13:42] person put on an accent for the song.
[13:45] Yeah, most people do that. And you have a lot of English or
[13:49] other British and Australian artists and many Eastern
[13:54] European artists also who while their regular speaking voice
[13:58] has, they have thick accents of their, you know, particular
[14:01] region where they're from. But when they sing, they sing in
[14:04] an American accent. If you've seen The Voice
[14:06] International, there are so many versions of the Voice when God
[14:08] knows how many other countries, almost all of them feature
[14:11] people who have very thick accents singing, however in an
[14:16] almost exclusive American accent.
[14:18] So that's nothing new. However, the reason I picked
[14:22] this, apart from again, the big name brand value of the person
[14:26] singing it, is that this was very wild.
[14:29] It quickly went viral worldwide in 2010.
[14:32] OK. So presumably a non-native
[14:37] English speaker could be somebody European, could be
[14:42] somebody Asian, African. Wow, that's too broad,
[14:46] obviously. I think you forgot South
[14:48] American. Sure, South American.
[14:53] Let me take a guess. Actually, it should not even be
[14:57] guess. Let me try to narrow this down.
[14:58] Is it somebody from the world of singing?
[15:00] Is it a singer who has just done it this?
[15:03] See, see that that I find that of an offensive
[15:06] characterization. Everybody is a singer in the
[15:08] bathroom. Everybody is a bathroom singer.
[15:11] So yes, this person is has. Anybody ever paid this person to
[15:14] sing? Unfortunately, there's no way of
[15:18] knowing. If that has happened.
[15:20] I would not be surprised because this person has LED a very
[15:23] secretive life for a long period of his life, so we have no way
[15:30] of knowing. Maybe he was a club down, a club
[15:32] singer at some point. We don't know, and we probably
[15:36] never will. Fight.
[15:38] So I I can gather by that statement that this is clearly
[15:41] not a known singer. Might have been a singer, but
[15:44] definitely not a name that you would Google.
[15:46] And like the first hit would be like oh famous singer.
[15:50] That's not what's going to happen.
[15:51] So I'm assuming not known for being a singer.
[15:54] Interesting and non-english speaking not known for being a
[15:58] singer. Is it a sportsperson of some
[16:01] kind? 2010?
[16:03] I mean, I guess Ronaldo was a big deal.
[16:07] I'm just going to guess football.
[16:08] This person has one has many achievements in the field of
[16:13] sport, yes. Has achievements and speeds
[16:16] field of sports but did not say a sports person.
[16:19] No, I mean like that automatically makes him a sports
[16:20] person, right? OK.
[16:22] All right, fair. No, I mean like that was a few
[16:24] years ago, many years ago, but there are still videos of this
[16:28] person showing his skill in his chosen sport.
[16:34] Maradona I recently saw a video of Maradona doing some football
[16:38] trick. Yeah, no, because this person
[16:41] won sports in that, in his particular sport, he was even
[16:48] part of the International Federation until 20220, OK.
[16:54] Which? Which sport is it, if you could
[16:57] give that? I'll give you that he judo.
[17:01] Yes. You expect me to know judo
[17:03] athletes? I mean, I know we are a trivia.
[17:05] Podcast. But he was famously been
[17:08] practicing judo since he was 11 years old.
[17:11] He was awarded an eighth Dan in the black belt in 2012, becoming
[17:17] the 1st of his nation to achieve that status.
[17:21] He has co-authored, I think like two books on judo and was part
[17:29] of and had held positions in the International Judo Federation
[17:33] until 20/22. Judo Because I don't think I
[17:38] actually know a single judo like judo.
[17:41] Judo athlete. I am going to guess this is not
[17:44] the person who is famous for being a judo athlete.
[17:47] Which this person? Is pretty famous for there are
[17:50] many viral videos of this person performing judo.
[17:54] Do not obfuscate. This person is not famous of
[17:57] being a judo athlete. This person is famous for other
[17:58] things. Being the judo athlete is just
[18:00] part of his personality cult. So I'm assuming this is some
[18:04] dictator because a lot of them have this kind of stuff going
[18:06] for them. And I'm thinking it's you're one
[18:08] of your Victor Orban Putin, these kind of fellas, because
[18:15] they have a penchant for also. Doing.
[18:18] Bullshit like that. You're basically how do I put
[18:21] this speculating right now I need an answer.
[18:24] What is your answer? It is a it I'm going to say an
[18:29] Easter European dictator. And because I'm OK, I'm just
[18:35] going to go with the most famous one.
[18:36] I'm going to say Putin. Is it Putin?
[18:37] Yes, it is Vladimir Putin. Oh, you nasty man.
[18:44] Nasty, nasty man. First of all, the man was a K GB
[18:50] agent for God knows how long. I would not be surprised if you
[18:54] know one of his covers at some point was to be a club singer or
[18:58] he sang so I didn't. You cannot say that he's not a
[19:01] singer and #2 he is quite an accomplished judoka or judokai,
[19:07] whatever how however that's pronounced.
[19:09] And he was a member of the International Judo Federation.
[19:12] He was. He had positions in the
[19:13] Interactive Judo Federation until March 2022, when he was
[19:16] removed after the invasion of Ukraine.
[19:19] So the answer. Indeed was Vladimir Vladimir,
[19:21] which Putin the longest serving Russian or Soviet leader since
[19:26] Joseph Stalin. And this, my dear audience, was
[19:30] a performance that he gave at a children.
[19:33] 'S charity. As actually a charity for I'll
[19:37] children and it was in front of an audience of International
[19:39] Film and television celebrities, some of whom can't believe what
[19:44] they're saying. I would highly recommend you go
[19:46] and watch the video because he also plays the piano in the
[19:50] beginning and then goes on a full throated rendition of
[19:53] Blueberry Hill. And just so now that you know
[19:57] this is Putin, I'm going to play the song again so that.
[20:00] You can imagine him. Singing it in front of an
[20:02] audience and then go and watch the video.
[20:14] I found my feeling. Oh, you Berry heal.
[20:24] Oh, you Berry heal. Well, I found you.
[20:53] OK, so now that we've been serenaded by the croonings of
[20:58] Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, Aditya, back to you.
[21:03] Lovely. I, I appreciate that.
[21:05] And good question. Despite all those false starts
[21:09] that you gave me, no. No, they were all true.
[21:11] None of them were false. I resent the accusation.
[21:14] All of what I said was true. A false start Vineet.
[21:18] By the way, in sports context, let me just tell you it doesn't
[21:21] mean the start is not true. The start did happen.
[21:24] It just it disqualifies the athlete because they did not do
[21:27] it. Yeah, because they jumped the
[21:29] gun. They were.
[21:30] They jumped the gun. They were two.
[21:31] That's not the case here either. It's not like you answered.
[21:34] Quickly. And was disqualified.
[21:38] Fish posh, I will. I would remind you that the very
[21:45] how do I put the spirit of this podcast is dealing in semantics.
[21:51] Fair enough, fair enough. I will give you credit for a
[21:53] wonderful piece of trivia there, though.
[21:55] Who knew that Putin was doing this for children's charities?
[21:59] You know, sometimes terrible people do some nice things also.
[22:02] OK, so since we are in the Great White North of Russia, I'm going
[22:08] to ask you if you know about Captain Sir John Franklin and
[22:13] his voyage, his British failed British voyage.
[22:18] Do you have any context or clue as to who this person was or
[22:21] what he was trying to? Attend John Franklin.
[22:26] The name does seem to ring a bell somewhere, but I'm not able
[22:30] to place it right now. Maybe when you give me a little
[22:32] context, it may come back to me. Absolutely.
[22:35] OK, so he was an A British explorer and he was tasked with
[22:43] setting off to traverse the last unnavigated sections of the
[22:47] Northwest Passage in the Canadian Arctic.
[22:51] So it was an Arctic exploration mission, right?
[22:54] And this was in 1945. He departed England in 1945.
[23:00] Board two ships, eventually the expedition metric disaster, both
[23:04] ships and their crews, a total of 129 officers and men were
[23:09] stuck. A bunch of them died pretty soon
[23:12] thereafter. After that, two dozen men, after
[23:16] the two dozen men had died, a bunch of them were surviving,
[23:19] tried to set off on foot to reach the Canadian mainland and
[23:24] could not make that journey, and also presumably perished at some
[23:27] point. All right, so we have some
[23:29] context as to Franklin's lost expedition.
[23:32] The question is a mid 19th century Bach rigged ship of the
[23:36] British Royal Navy specially outfitted for Arctic exploration
[23:40] was sent out to search for Franklins lost expedition.
[23:44] This ship itself also got trapped in the ice and was
[23:49] abandoned in 1854. OK.
[23:52] It was recovered by an American whaler.
[23:56] A whaler is a ship that is used for whaling.
[23:58] Specifically, was recovered by the American whaler and was
[24:01] returned to Queen Victoria in 1856.
[24:04] OK, what is the current day ramification of this particular,
[24:11] let's say adventure or series of mishaps and recoveries that
[24:15] happened? Oval Office, and that's all,
[24:20] ladies and gentlemen. I cannot unfortunately drop the
[24:23] mic because this is a podcast, but yes.
[24:26] Oh, man, I have to actually, I have to describe this to the
[24:30] listeners who obviously can't see what you did.
[24:33] Vineeth just literally did a whole like flex and rotated his
[24:37] shoulders and, you know, turned his neck a few times around and
[24:41] you could almost hear the bones cracking in preparation of that
[24:45] mic drop moment because clearly the man knew the answer.
[24:48] Yes, the Oval Office is the answer.
[24:52] But do you clear? Do you care to expand upon it to
[24:56] bring our audience in as well? OK, so the now that you mention
[25:01] it, I don't remember other details, but I remember that the
[25:04] Franklin ship had there were two ships there was AI think ATV
[25:07] show about it also called the Terror.
[25:09] I think one of the ships was called the terror.
[25:11] I don't remember what the other one was called and if.
[25:14] Not it is called the Erebus and the Terror.
[25:16] Yes, the Erebus and the Terror, Yeah.
[25:17] So then after that, the ship that again that was sentence
[25:21] sent in search of it, which was then recovered, was made into a
[25:25] desk by Queen Victoria, which was then gifted, if I remember
[25:30] correctly, to the American president.
[25:32] And it still stands in the Oval Office and I think.
[25:37] If. Again, this is a vague memory so
[25:39] I may be wrong, but I think Nicolas Cage has fiddled with it
[25:43] at some point. Yes, Nicolas Cage has dabbled
[25:49] with it. Yes, he has.
[25:50] Well done. Well done.
[25:52] Good job. Thank you.
[25:53] Thank you. Obviously, Vineet refers to, I
[25:58] don't even want to call it a guilty pleasure, though a lot of
[26:00] people might consider it a guilty pleasure.
[26:02] National treasure. What a fun film.
[26:05] This is also a lot of fun. Yeah.
[26:08] So to films that are worth Sunday afternoon watch if you
[26:13] don't want to watch something serious.
[26:14] Yeah. All right, so Vineet, though, I
[26:16] will ask you for one last detail.
[26:18] What is the name of the ship? I believe the the the desk was
[26:21] called the Intrepid Desk, so I'm guessing the name of the ship is
[26:24] also Intrepid. Vineet, you were on such a roll.
[26:30] It's not the Intrepid. I guess you also got stuck in
[26:34] the icy water somewhere. It's not the Intrepid ship or
[26:38] the Intrepid Desk. It's going to come to me.
[26:40] It's going to come to me for sure.
[26:42] It is going to come to you. I know it is.
[26:44] I know it is. The Resolute.
[26:46] It's a Resolute desk. It is the Resolute Desk, yes.
[26:51] Resolute Desk. Well, there we go, Audience.
[26:53] I did not have to clue Vineet into that either.
[26:56] He got it. No, it it features in a lot of
[26:59] novels as well. The Resolute Desk is one of
[27:02] those things that features in a lot of novels.
[27:05] There are a few. How do I put this art now I want
[27:08] to call them artifacts, gifts that American presidents and the
[27:13] American system has received, which have become iconic in
[27:17] history. The Resolute Desk is one the
[27:19] second I. Believe is the gavel that is
[27:21] used by the Speaker of the House in America which is made out of
[27:28] pure ivory and it was gifted by India.
[27:32] OK. Yeah, so there are these.
[27:35] Things which you know, happened that way, and you also know that
[27:38] in the Oval Office there's a carpet which has the American.
[27:43] Eagle. Right.
[27:46] And the American eagle obviously has, you know, it's two feet,
[27:49] one clutching a quiver of arrows and the other, I think, with an
[27:53] olive branch. Do you know that in times of war
[27:56] the head of the eagle faces towards the arrow and during
[28:01] times of peace the head of the eagle faces the sprig of olives
[28:04] or whatever? Now what I could not find is who
[28:08] changes the carpet and if at any point in the last 70 years has
[28:15] it ever faced the olive section. Yeah, they don't even know where
[28:23] their olive section carpet is now.
[28:24] There's like it's probably molding somewhere in the
[28:27] backrooms. Yeah, OK, very well done.
[28:31] Just the final bit of trivia related to this.
[28:34] The Resolute desks, or rather the desk desks made out of
[28:39] timber from HMS Resolute, which was the name of the ship that
[28:41] was sent to recover Franklin's last expedition.
[28:45] There were three of them, so one, which sits in the Oval
[28:49] Office as many pensioned, is called the Resolute Desk.
[28:52] Now a second desk is called the Grinnell Desk and this was given
[28:56] to the widow of Henry Grinnell who also had sent some
[28:59] expeditions to search for, frankly the last expedition.
[29:03] And the third desk, or which is more accurately a writing table,
[29:07] was commissioned by Queen Victoria and it remains part of
[29:09] the Royal Collection. So these are the three desks
[29:11] that were made out of HMS Resolute, the most famous
[29:14] obviously in the Oval Office. So well done Vineet.
[29:16] Wow, that was that was beyond impressive.
[29:18] I you are on a. History is the one thing where I
[29:24] can, you know, kind kind of make connections.
[29:29] You ask me sport or any arts, I'm hopeless.
[29:33] I, I would, I would pay good money to listen to an episode
[29:37] between you and HK, by the way. So if I ever decide to take a
[29:40] day off, you and I should definitely do a history special.
[29:44] We just we. Would just completely, how do
[29:47] this, you know, outdo each other.
[29:49] The no questions would get answered.
[29:51] He would ask me questions which I would not be able to answer.
[29:53] I'd ask him questions which he probably would have never heard
[29:55] of. And we just keep learning.
[29:57] But the audience would be completely bored.
[30:01] You have one guaranteed listener.
[30:02] I'm I'm in, I'm in. We'll make this happen at some.
[30:05] Point. Thank you.
[30:06] OK, great. Lovely.
[30:07] Let's have your question next minute.
[30:09] OK, so if you were to think of films that have had a big impact
[30:15] on the show X, the obvious examples would be Star Wars, The
[30:20] Karate Kid and Weekend and Bunnies.
[30:23] There have been multiple homages and references throughout the
[30:25] show's run for these three movies, but the one with the
[30:30] biggest impact is. Also the subtlest.
[30:34] In LA Confidential, have you heard of the movie and the novel
[30:37] LA Confidential? I have watched the movie LA
[30:40] Confidential. I have not read the book.
[30:42] Fantastic movie. Russell Crowe, Kim Basinger,
[30:47] Just amazing. So in the novel LA Confidential,
[30:50] which was written by James Ellroy, on which the 90s neon or
[30:53] film was based, there's a throwaway mention of a hospital
[30:56] orderly who moonlights as a heroin drug dealer called Y, the
[31:01] Y being the name of the drug dealer.
[31:03] Clearly, that unusual name left an impact on the creators of the
[31:07] show X. Leading them to turning an
[31:10] auxiliary character in a 1990 crime novel into a bizarre in
[31:15] joke by naming one of the main characters as Y.
[31:19] So I want you to tell me the name of the show.
[31:22] And the character that I'm talking about.
[31:25] OK, interesting. You said the three shows that
[31:29] you mentioned were Star Wars Weekend at Bernie's and you
[31:35] mentioned Karate Kid. Yes.
[31:37] So these three movies have had a huge impact on the show.
[31:41] Sorry, the movies that have had the impact on the show.
[31:42] Yeah, you're right. This is where I shine.
[31:46] Clearly. You spend your time reading
[31:48] history and learning about the past.
[31:51] I watch outdated sitcoms. This is How I Met your mother.
[31:56] Clearly. Yes, very good.
[31:57] So this is How I Met your mother.
[31:59] So now how is and you only have one chance, one chance to get
[32:03] this right because there are only four possible ancestors.
[32:06] Who was the heroin drug dealer in LA Confidential?
[32:10] I'm sorry, why are there only four?
[32:12] There are 5 characters we need. Come on, let's let's do not do
[32:15] not do this to me. I know my How I Met.
[32:17] There are five main characters in the show, so I have 5
[32:19] possible answers. But OK, I get your point that
[32:22] I'll only get one chance at this.
[32:24] Yes, of five. Yeah, LA Confidential.
[32:26] That leaves two of them out directly, because I doubt it was
[32:30] Lily Aldrin or Robin Shabatsky. That means it's either Marshall
[32:34] Ericsson, Ted Mosby, or Barney Stinson.
[32:38] Ted mostly. I don't think its Marshall
[32:40] Ericsson I'm having. I'm confused between Barney and
[32:42] Ted, but I'm going to go with the iconic character.
[32:46] I'm going to go with Barney. Is it Barney Stinson?
[32:49] Yes, Barney Stinson was the name of a drug dealer in LA
[32:53] Confidential and that no. The name, unusual as it is, left
[32:56] an impact on the showrunners who decided to leave this very
[33:00] subtle joke in the entire series.
[33:04] Barney Stinson is named after a drug dealer.
[33:07] Wow. OK, lovely.
[33:11] Nice. So, OK, that was a very quick
[33:13] crack. Your turn.
[33:15] Yeah, thank you. Since we are talking about
[33:18] naming things and etymology is of a mutual favorite, so let's
[33:23] do this one. So listen somewhere also relates
[33:25] back to the Olympics, as in it's a sport that is currently not in
[33:30] the Olympics, but might be in the future.
[33:32] It has been proposed a few times as a possible addition.
[33:37] Throwback also, by the way, to a question I asked I don't know
[33:39] how many episodes ago where we discussed one of the latest
[33:42] editions to 2024 Olympics. Do you remember the one question
[33:46] that I asked about 2024? Yeah, break dancing.
[33:50] Yes. I'm looking forward to the break
[33:51] dancing Paris Olympics. Given the Olympics has been so
[33:55] far, I'm not looking forward to it.
[34:01] There is always something worth remembering in every Olympics.
[34:04] Maybe it will be break dancing for 2024, but this isn't related
[34:08] to break dancing. This is a whole different sport.
[34:10] And the sport, or the more common name that everybody would
[34:13] know in π is named after a Connecticut based π manufacturer
[34:19] which supplied pies to Yale University.
[34:23] This particular Pi delivery company or Pi manufacturing
[34:29] company rather started a campus craze and founders Richard Nur
[34:35] and Arthur Mellon, they were not the founders of the pie company.
[34:39] These are founders of what would be considered the sport.
[34:42] I guess they were inspired by the nickname that the Yale
[34:46] University students gave to the sport and decided to name the
[34:50] sport officially after that nickname.
[34:53] And that nickname was derived from the pie manufacturer.
[34:57] What sport am I talking about? Is it frisbee?
[35:02] Frisbee drawing. Come on, we need man, just just
[35:04] I can't deal with you. What's up with you today?
[35:08] This is just you're taking my best questions and making a joke
[35:14] out of all of. Them I think the term you're.
[35:17] Looking for is a mockery. A mockery.
[35:19] Of the question, but no. I This is the moment you said
[35:23] pie of the only two sports came to mind, curling and Frisbees.
[35:27] So then I was like, yeah, it has to be one of these two.
[35:30] Impressive. All right, so I do you know the
[35:33] details or should I? No, no, I really no, not
[35:36] honestly. Honestly this was I did not know
[35:38] this above hand. I I worked it out from his clues
[35:41] from his question. So you'll have to still give me
[35:43] the details. Fine, fine, fine.
[35:45] OK, so the history obviously starts with this person called
[35:49] Walter Morrison and his wife Lucille, who used to have fun
[35:53] tossing a popcorn can lid. And they were doing this at a
[35:58] Thanksgiving Day dinner in 1937. And somebody came and offered
[36:02] them a bunch of money for a cake pan, by the way, later that they
[36:07] were tossing around in a beach near LA and they were like, oh,
[36:11] clearly there's a market for this.
[36:12] So they started working on this and eventually Walter Morrison
[36:16] went off to fight in World War 2, but when he came back he was
[36:19] working on this post that as well and maneuvering.
[36:23] And a couple of years later there were two other people,
[36:25] Richard Nur and Arthur Mellon, who Co founded this company
[36:28] called Vamo. And Vamo used to make what we
[36:31] would today consider Frisbee. They gave the disk the brand
[36:36] name Frisbee and they spelled it FRISB EE after learning that
[36:40] college students were calling the particular disk by that name
[36:45] because Connecticut based by manufacturer called Frisbee
[36:49] FRISB i.e Pie Company, Frisbee Pie Company supplied pay these
[36:54] pies to Yale University and students had a campus craze of
[36:57] tossing around the pie tins, empty pie tins, which was
[37:00] stamped at the company's logo. So they used to just call it
[37:02] Frisbee. So Richard Nur and Ortho Melon
[37:05] decided to give name to their disc Frisbee as well and they
[37:08] just changed the name slightly from IE to EE just to avoid any
[37:12] copyright infringement. So that's how the name Frisbee
[37:16] came to be from a pie company. Who would have thunk?
[37:20] Nice, nice, that was a good question.
[37:25] Luckily there were enough clues in it for me to crack it and I
[37:28] hope I have put enough clues in this question so that you will
[37:33] be able to crack it now also. Question is as follows.
[37:36] After two successful film outings, X wanted to continue
[37:41] their successful run. Apple Films executive Dennis
[37:46] Odell spearheaded the hunt for material.
[37:50] X loved the idea of a film version of a famous book
[37:54] trilogy. Director Y, who was fresh off
[37:58] the success of a political satire black comedy, was
[38:02] approached to direct but said no and went on to direct what is
[38:06] widely considered one of the greatest genre films of all
[38:10] time. Even if the director Y had said
[38:14] yes, they would not have obtained the right because the
[38:17] author of the book trilogy said no.
[38:19] Eventually X. Ended up doing an animated
[38:22] feature which is widely regarded as a landmark of animation
[38:26] today. Identify X and.
[38:29] Y. Oh, you did not mention any
[38:32] years in this though, right? No.
[38:35] You mentioned an Apple executive.
[38:37] Apple Films executive Dennis Odell.
[38:40] So this has to be recent because Apple Films wasn't a thing
[38:44] whatever like 20 years ago. I don't know actually.
[38:46] Was it? I have no idea.
[38:48] I'm assuming it has something to do with Apple Studios.
[38:50] Apple Films, which is more recent?
[38:52] Trilogy. Trilogy films makes me think of
[38:56] Jason Bourne. Makes me think of Lord of the
[38:58] Rings. You said why did not end up
[39:02] directing the films and went on to make a genre film?
[39:04] Greatest genre film? Yeah, so it it basically made a
[39:08] film which is considered one of the greatest in a genre.
[39:11] Yeah, no mate, man, I have no idea right now because I don't
[39:14] even know which I'm looking at. Give me a year, maybe first more
[39:17] of any end. Well, Gee.
[39:20] I'm going to give you a year, which might kind of give this
[39:23] away a little bit, but I'm going to give you the decade.
[39:27] OK. The 1960s.
[39:30] But so you said 1960s, the film couldn't have been made.
[39:35] No, they they wanted to make it. X wanted to make it right.
[39:39] And there was again coincidentally named Apple Films
[39:43] executive who had who looked at this material, who looked at the
[39:47] book and told X like this would be great.
[39:50] And you know, X loved it. So they wanted to make the movie
[39:54] and they wondered why, who is this could just come off this
[39:57] really hard hit, which is a political satire black comedy.
[40:02] But why he said no. And even if I had agreed, the
[40:05] author said no. So then Y went on to make one of
[40:09] the greatest films in his genre of all time, and X ended up
[40:13] doing an animation feature, an animated feature which is
[40:17] regarded as a landmark of animation.
[40:19] OK, so 1960s political satire, black comedy makes me think
[40:24] Doctor Strangelove. OK, so that means you're talking
[40:28] about Stanley Kubrick and Kubrick, You said after that
[40:31] made the one of the greatest films in that particular genre,
[40:35] right? Yes, is.
[40:36] That is that what you said? Yeah.
[40:38] Post post because 2001, a Space Odyssey is before.
[40:44] No, it was after Strangelove. Oh, so then it is 2001, a Space
[40:47] Odyssey. 2001 a. Space Odyssey so.
[40:49] Yes, you have correct who? Why is Why is Stanley Kubrick
[40:54] one of the biggest directors of all time?
[40:57] Clockwork Orange 2001 A Space Odyssey Doctor Strangelove So
[41:03] you've got Y down Who? Is XX.
[41:07] Was the one who wanted to make the film right?
[41:10] He had. The idea is that he had.
[41:12] X had no X wanted X was coming off 2 successful films and OK X.
[41:17] Was coming out of two. And was looking for their next
[41:21] project. That point Dennis Odell had X.
[41:25] Edx directed. Edx Acted what?
[41:27] What was acted role in those projects?
[41:30] Acted, acted and a few other kind of, you know, supporting
[41:34] technical things as well. Oh, could it be Godfather was
[41:41] godfather the? No, no, Francis Ford Coppola was
[41:45] already, I mean, like, yeah, but he this is not a Francis Ford
[41:49] Coppola film. I will give you a clue about the
[41:53] animated feature. Pixar Co founder and former
[41:57] chief creative officer John Lasseter has credited the film
[42:02] with generating wider interest in animation as a serious art
[42:05] form. It had generally been considered
[42:07] a children's medium at the time. Time magazine commented that it
[42:12] turned into a smash hit, delighting adolescence and
[42:15] aesthetes. Alike.
[42:17] And half a century after after his release, it's still regarded
[42:20] as a landmark of animation. Oh, half a century.
[42:24] Yeah, I already told you this is the 1960s, right?
[42:27] No, but the animated feature I didn't realize was also in that
[42:29] era. OK.
[42:30] Yeah, because see, the moment they realized that they couldn't
[42:33] make this trilogy, they moved on and made the animated feature.
[42:39] Is it Fantasia? No, Fantasia was in the 40s.
[42:43] Who Framed Roger Rabbit also, but that's more.
[42:45] That was in the 90s, eighties, right?
[42:49] 80s or 90s? Yeah, no.
[42:52] Interesting. So 50 years ago, we're talking
[42:55] sixties, 70s animation from that era.
[42:59] No, Yeah, I don't remember any animation film from that era.
[43:02] Oh yeah. OK, now give me some other hint
[43:05] then I'm. I'm not.
[43:07] You would probably, or actually most people today would probably
[43:11] remember the soundtrack more than the film itself.
[43:15] So is it a Disney film? No, it's not a Disney film.
[43:19] Because I was going to guess like a Mary Poppins or
[43:21] something. And this movie also led to it
[43:24] being considered a serious genre and rather than just a
[43:27] children's thing. Yeah, yeah.
[43:29] I mean like it's it was at the time its box office gross was
[43:35] around $1.2 million. It's Rotten Tomatoes rating
[43:40] today is 97%. Is it an American film or is it?
[43:46] Let's say it's a mix of both, So Apple Films and King Feature
[43:50] Syndicate, and it is distributed by United Artists.
[43:53] So Apple Films is English United Artists and King Feature
[43:57] Syndicate is American. So technically it's a combined
[44:00] project between the UK and the US.
[44:03] It was made for $250,000 and box office returns were $1.27
[44:09] million. No, I have no clue whatsoever.
[44:12] I'm very lost right now. The clue that the original.
[44:14] Trilogy that they wanted to make was a lot of the rings.
[44:18] OK, so they wanted to make. Lord of the Rings.
[44:19] They're just asking me who was the actor who wanted to make
[44:21] Lord of the Rings? No, they wanted to make a lot of
[44:24] the rings. So I'm asking who X is Who X?
[44:26] Right? X was the actor.
[44:27] You mentioned, right? That's an assumption that you
[44:30] made. So I was X an actor.
[44:32] Director. Producer.
[44:33] What is it? Let's just say X.
[44:36] Is not a person. Oh.
[44:41] Quote UN Quote Let's. Say, put it that.
[44:43] Way I'm being very very how do I put this?
[44:47] Mean. But let's just say X is not a
[44:49] person. Is it?
[44:53] And as you should remember, we did.
[44:55] We deal in semantics. Not a person, so presumably
[45:02] A-Team. A group, Two people, a company.
[45:09] Who wanted to make a Lord of the Rings?
[45:11] Films. I have no idea.
[45:14] No, you'll have to either tell me the answer or give me a
[45:16] better OK Think OK as I mentioned.
[45:19] X is not a person. X is four people is XA band.
[45:25] Is X The Beatles when he if it is The Beatles I mean like
[45:32] obviously if it's the 60s. And it's four people and it's me
[45:35] asking the question. It's going to be The Beatles.
[45:37] It is. It has to be here.
[45:39] So beaters wanted to make a movie or is there a lot of the
[45:42] day? Yes.
[45:43] OK, so this is the story. And it is crazy, after playing
[45:46] themselves in A Hard Day's Night and Help, which of the two
[45:51] movies I was talking about, the Fab 4, as they were known, were
[45:55] ready to play fictional characters.
[45:57] Apple Films executive Dennis Hotel spearheaded the hunt for
[46:00] material, and Lenin reportedly loved the idea.
[46:05] Of Lord of the Rings. With the casting that was
[46:10] suggested being and this is the icing on the cake that is this
[46:14] piece of trivia. Lenin would play Gollum.
[46:18] McCartney would play Frodo Harrison.
[46:22] Would be. Gandalf and Ringo.
[46:25] Would. Play Sam out of.
[46:28] All of them. I only believe Ringo as Sam.
[46:30] Like Ringo is very much the Samuel Gangi of the Bible.
[46:32] I mean this. Casting is meta on so many
[46:35] levels. You have Gollum, right, Who's
[46:37] this kind of obsessed weird person with like round eyes or
[46:41] whatever, right. And you have Lenin, whose eyes
[46:44] are basically spectacle. Be like, you see those round
[46:46] spectacles, Like the round spectacles.
[46:48] Obsessed with his material and a little obsessed with himself.
[46:52] Yeah, takes himself. A little too.
[46:53] Seriously, Gollum McCartney playing Frodo.
[46:58] Frodo. 'S this nice guy who everybody?
[47:00] Likes but then also has a dark side, George.
[47:04] Harrison, the most spiritually. Wise of the all four of them and
[47:08] the most talented Actually, I think so when it comes to the
[47:10] instruments and the music itself rather than the songwriting
[47:13] portion so the man who makes the music is Gandalf and Ringo the
[47:19] How do I put this as they once said he's not even the best
[47:23] drummer in this band I. Mean there's no other character
[47:28] he could. Play better than Sam?
[47:30] No, no, by the description then. He's the sambais gamji of The
[47:34] Beatles. That would make Yoko Ono Yoko
[47:38] Ono precious. Yes, that it would be, but.
[47:42] Then McCartney I don't think was ever tempted by Yoko.
[47:48] That's that's the hidden story that you don't know.
[47:51] No, see, that's the. Case If that's the case, if you
[47:54] actually wanted to make a rock musical with this, you would
[47:58] have to have George Harrison and Eric Clapton because they were
[48:04] both in love with the same woman.
[48:06] The inspiration? Behind the songs also, yeah,
[48:11] yeah, this was part of a question that I was going to ask
[48:14] you, but now that you've already put it out there, I guess that's
[48:16] a trivia question gone down the drain.
[48:18] Yes, yes, you're right. So and then.
[48:20] Speaking of Stanley Kubrick, he was fresh off Doctor
[48:22] Strangelove. He was approached to direct
[48:25] while The Beatles would provide the music.
[48:27] Kubrick said no. He considered Lord of the Rings,
[48:30] get this, unfilmable, and more importantly, Tolkien turned them
[48:35] down. Other directors who were
[48:37] considered included Michelangelo Antonioni, David Lean and
[48:41] Richard Lester. Kubrick then went on to make.
[48:44] 2001 a. Space Odyssey and The Beatles
[48:47] turned to animation with Yellow Submarine.
[48:53] Now interestingly. Enough.
[48:55] The involvement of The Beatles in Yellow Submarines are largely
[48:59] limited to music, because The Beatles characters in Yellow
[49:02] Submarine are not voiced by The Beatles themselves.
[49:06] Oh, OK. They're voice actors.
[49:09] They only come in for a small part at the end of the movie.
[49:12] Very interesting. The Beatles wanted.
[49:14] To make a version. Of Lord of the Rings.
[49:16] Starring themselves and directed by Stanley Kubrick.
[49:19] That would have been psychedelic.
[49:22] Now you just want. To imagine a future in which
[49:26] that would have happened. What how different would this
[49:29] world be? Wow, What an interesting piece
[49:32] of trivia. It's, you know, I love this.
[49:34] We should at some point in this. I'm just putting it out there.
[49:37] If you're a supporter, if you're a friend of the podcast, please
[49:40] tell us if this is an idea that you would like to hear.
[49:43] We should make special episodes with just a connection of
[49:47] questions which are like similarly grouped together,
[49:51] right? So I think a particular type
[49:53] would be alternate possibilities in pop culture, so potential
[49:58] movies that could have been made, movies that were cancelled
[50:02] and never happened. And I think we have asked some
[50:03] of those questions in the past as well, and this one fits right
[50:07] alongside of it. I love it.
[50:09] So we should do that. OK, from the world of cinema,
[50:13] I'm going to ask you something a lot more relevant today.
[50:17] And the question is very simple. Vineet, what is Snick
[50:22] Wolverine's clause? What is up with you?
[50:25] What did you eat? Today for dinner.
[50:26] What is happening dude? I've been reading.
[50:30] And X-Men comics since I. Was a kid, which means that
[50:33] there were many people listening to this podcast were not alive
[50:36] when I started reading those things.
[50:38] Sneaked is the ultimate noise that you can see written in the
[50:44] X-Men comics. I I must tell.
[50:46] Our listeners that there is a certain lag when we record this
[50:49] remotely because we do this podcast remotely and Vineet
[50:53] somehow overcame the barrier of Internet recording.
[50:58] He answered this question without any lag.
[51:00] Before I even finished the question, he had answered the
[51:02] question. So I don't know, like somehow
[51:04] this man is reading my mind. I am not Charles Xavier.
[51:08] Neither am I Cassandra Nova watch Deadpool and Wolverine, by
[51:12] the way. Fantastic film I I have heard
[51:15] good things, so I. Might go check it out soon.
[51:17] Yeah, I just saw it yesterday. It was.
[51:19] Amazing. OK, OK.
[51:21] OK, this was a very quick track, but let me just tell anybody
[51:26] else who doesn't know that snipped is the sound or the
[51:30] correct word would be onomatopic.
[51:34] A number. To Pia onomatopic representation
[51:37] of the sound of Wolverine's claws being extended.
[51:39] The metallic noise that you hear this or whatever the sound.
[51:43] I don't know, I made a bad. It's Nick to use a.
[51:46] Representation of it but. I don't think is the sound OK?
[51:50] Yeah, yeah. That's because you're doing it
[51:52] like you're sneezing. Yeah, that is true.
[51:56] So sneak is the sound that would be made when Wolverine,
[52:01] Wolverine's claws come out. And it was also a 5 issue comic
[52:06] book limited series written and drawn by Mong artist Sutomu Nee
[52:11] and was published by Marvel Comics in 2003 as part of their
[52:14] short lived Tsunami imprint starring Wolverine.
[52:18] So this is also a word that the Marvel Comics have registered as
[52:24] an official sound or the word that would refer to Wolverine's
[52:28] claws being drawn out. Slit is the word vineeth.
[52:33] Quick crack. Very impressive.
[52:35] Hit me with the last question. So the last question for today.
[52:39] Is as follows. X was at one time a jet setting
[52:44] socialite who counted Mick Jagger and former US First Lady
[52:50] Jacqueline Kennedy among his friends, and whose contact list
[52:54] included multiple Hollywood celebrities like Robert De Niro.
[52:58] In an unusual career, X has worn many hats.
[53:02] He played a small role in The Deceivers, which was a 1988
[53:06] Hollywood film directed by Nicholas Mayer and starring
[53:09] Pierce Brosnan. He's written three books, A
[53:13] Second Paradise, A Desert Kingdom and The Garden of Life,
[53:17] two of them which were edited by Jacqueline Kennedy or Jacqueline
[53:20] Onassis, who's ex Oh boy as quickly.
[53:24] As you are answering my questions, I am that slow today
[53:28] so no idea right now. Give me some more clues baby.
[53:33] He. Was in the news just last month,
[53:39] boy. I did not read any news last
[53:42] month minute, I'm sorry. OK.
[53:48] So what are the books again that you mentioned?
[53:49] You mentioned Garden of Life and The Garden of Life.
[53:54] The Desert Kingdom and the Second Paradise.
[53:58] Two of them were edited by Jacqueline Kennedy or Jacqueline
[54:01] Onassis No. Idea at all, he said.
[54:05] He was. He was also a socialite, a jet
[54:08] setting socialite. Yes, he rubbed.
[54:11] Shoulders with Mick Jagger, Jacqueline Kennedy, Robert De
[54:13] Niro and he played a small role in the movie The Deceivers, a
[54:18] 1988 Hollywood film directed by Nicholas Mayer and starring
[54:22] Pierce Brosnan. A very politically incorrect
[54:25] film, by the way, If it would not get made today, no.
[54:31] I also don't have any context to the film.
[54:33] Is this by any chance somebody Indian?
[54:37] Very good. It is somebody.
[54:38] Indian OK socialites. From that era also wrote books.
[54:45] Is it like somebody from the Kapoor family?
[54:47] No, not from the Kapoor family. No.
[54:50] Oh, OK, is. It an actor though?
[54:53] No, I think this was his. Only fictional or feature film
[54:57] role and it was very small blink and you miss it kind of role.
[55:02] So is it like a Tata? Or someone?
[55:05] No, but. Tata, I don't think has appeared
[55:07] in a film. No, I think Tata must.
[55:09] Have appeared in multiple. Documentaries at least.
[55:13] Sure, documentaries, yeah, but. I don't remember ever reading
[55:16] that he's been in a Hollywood production.
[55:20] OK, see The thing is, even if you took up the.
[55:22] IMDb page for the deceivers. You wouldn't see him because it
[55:25] was a blink and you missed it kind of background role.
[55:29] Interesting. Similar to the King of Jordan.
[55:32] Who once appeared in a blink and you missed it cameo on Star
[55:34] Trek. Interesting.
[55:36] I didn't. Know that either somebody from
[55:39] the world of business, oh, somebody from the word of
[55:42] politics. Is it Kanti?
[55:46] Sanjay Gandhi? No.
[55:47] Can't be Sanjay Gandhi here is Rajiv Gandhi.
[55:50] No. Good guess, but not.
[55:51] Rajiv Gandhi But I would think you should look at the same kind
[55:55] of set because now I'll give you a couple of more clothes that
[55:58] have now that you've narrowed things down.
[56:00] X was a dual school and Saint Stephen's alumnus.
[56:04] Dual school. Saint Stephen's.
[56:06] Alumnus Politics, and he's written three books a second.
[56:11] Paradise, which is on Indian maharajas, a desert Kingdom on
[56:14] the Rajputs of Beaconair and the Garden of Life on Indian healing
[56:18] herbs. This is somebody who has to be.
[56:21] In 60s, seventies, I guess Seventies, 80s maybe.
[56:27] So the age of. This person is currently 7777
[56:32] you said. Dune School and this person's
[56:36] father has. Been the object of a question
[56:41] and almost an entire episode for on are you guys Oh.
[56:46] That that was a giveaway. Clue it was because I remember.
[56:51] At that point also thinking father son duo and I remember
[56:55] Sachin pilot. I remember answering Sachin
[56:57] pilot and that was not the right answer.
[57:00] So I remember the right answer was Biju Patnaik.
[57:02] So I'm guessing we are talking about Naveen Patnaik.
[57:05] Yes, it is Naveen. Patnaik So again the reason I
[57:08] mentioned was his 24 hour year in grain which lasted till June
[57:13] of last year. Sorry, last month is the second
[57:16] longest for any chief host of any Indian state. 24 year in
[57:20] Yeah. 24 year is a 20. 4 hour in, sorry. 24 year in, I'm
[57:24] sorry. Is the second longest for any
[57:26] chief minister of any Indian state, second only, I think, to
[57:28] Jyothi Basu. He was born in 1946 to Biju
[57:32] Patnaik, who has been the subject of an entire special
[57:36] episode. So go listen to that.
[57:38] He was educated at Well and Boys School in Dehradun and later the
[57:42] Doon School. At Doon School, he was a
[57:45] classmate of Sanjay Gandhi and three years junior to Rajiv
[57:49] Gandhi. Hence that I said that, you
[57:51] know, he's talking about the same set.
[57:52] He was a writer and for the most part of his youth was away from
[57:56] politics. But after Biju Patnaik's demise,
[57:59] he entered politics in 19 seven and soon, you know, stood for
[58:04] elections and became chief minister.
[58:06] He was a well known socialite at one point being the scion of
[58:11] such a prestigious family and rubbed shoulders with the elites
[58:16] in even the western social circles.
[58:19] And that's not something that's known to many people.
[58:21] He will appeared in a blink and he said role in The Deceivers,
[58:25] which again is as I mentioned, a politically incorrect movie
[58:30] starring Pierce Brosnan as a, let's say an English captain by
[58:36] the name of Captain William Savage who infiltrates the
[58:40] Thuggy cult. You may know the Thuggy cult as
[58:44] the Thuggy. Actually, I think the pronoun
[58:46] correct pronounce Thuggy Thuggy, which was the origin for the
[58:50] word thug and also the inspiration for Amrish Puri's
[58:54] character Bholaram in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
[58:59] So coming back to the movie, The Deceivers stars Pierce Brosnan
[59:04] as an English captain who in Let I can only describe as brown
[59:08] face and beard and turban, infiltrates the Tuggy cult and
[59:14] he appears in a small role in that movie along with Saeed
[59:17] Jaffrey and Shashi Kapoor. He's altered in multiple books.
[59:21] As I mentioned, he was a writer and he was very close with
[59:23] Jacqueline Onassis, who in her later career was much associated
[59:27] with publishing in literature, and she is set to edited two of
[59:31] his books. So a man who wore many, many
[59:34] hats, Mr. Naveen Patnaik. Very cool.
[59:37] OK, lovely. Nice piece of trivia right
[59:39] there, yes? So that is the end of today's
[59:44] episode. So let's go back to the audience
[59:46] question that I had asked at the beginning of the episode, which
[59:49] is the most commonly celebrated national celebration worldwide
[59:53] other than religious holidays. Aditya, do you have an answer?
[59:57] I was going to say Mother's Day. But now I'm more inclined to say
[1:00:01] New Year's Day. New Year's Day is technically
[1:00:03] not religious. No, actually.
[1:00:07] No, let's say that I'm talking about all those Christmas New
[1:00:10] Year apart. Let's say other than those kind
[1:00:13] of holidays, which is the most commonly celebrated national
[1:00:16] celebration, as in a country has to celebrate that.
[1:00:20] There are many countries which don't celebrate New Year's Day
[1:00:22] at the same time as we celebrate New Year's Day.
[1:00:25] A lot of Southeast Asia does not celebrate New Year's on January
[1:00:28] 1st. A lot of Eastern European
[1:00:30] countries, a lot of African countries also don't celebrate
[1:00:33] it on the January 1st. So then that's technically not.
[1:00:35] So let me let me clarify. Technicality.
[1:00:38] Is it a day that is celebrated simultaneously across the world?
[1:00:41] Like not simultaneously for the same reason.
[1:00:43] Let's say that's for the same reason.
[1:00:45] So then, Independence Day. You are right, but let me.
[1:00:49] Just clarify that a little step further.
[1:00:52] The most commonly, apparently, and this is true apparently, the
[1:00:55] most commonly celebrated national celebration worldwide
[1:00:59] is Independence Day from the British.
[1:01:05] So there's an entire. Wikipedia page article on a list
[1:01:09] of countries which have declared independence from the UK at some
[1:01:13] point or the other, and some of those countries don't exist
[1:01:16] today. But as of today, I think
[1:01:18] somewhere between 42 to 48 to 52 countries celebrate an
[1:01:22] Independence Day from the British.
[1:01:27] OK, OK. So that's the.
[1:01:30] Audience Question Aditya, what's your pop culture recommendation
[1:01:33] for this week? I'm going to.
[1:01:36] Recommend two non Hindi films, Indian films, but not Hindi
[1:01:40] films because very often my Indian films are Hindi films
[1:01:44] that I recommend. I'm going to recommend Atma
[1:01:46] Pamphlet. Atma Pamphlet is a Marathi film
[1:01:49] and I believe it's available on Amazon Prime.
[1:01:52] Do check it out. It is a great film, great
[1:01:55] concept. I shall tell you the concept,
[1:01:57] it's very simple. It's a child deciding to write
[1:02:00] an autobiography, which would be called and Atma Katha.
[1:02:04] But because he's a child and he doesn't have enough content to
[1:02:07] fill out a whole book, so he's like, oh, I'll just write a
[1:02:09] pamphlet long autobiography. So it's Atma pamphlet.
[1:02:13] So that's a lovely Marathi film. Definitely check it out.
[1:02:17] I love the film. I thought the ending was a
[1:02:20] little contrived, but otherwise a great film.
[1:02:23] The other one I would recommend. A lot of people are talking
[1:02:26] about it. You might have seen it already
[1:02:27] in the recommendations. But if you haven't watched it,
[1:02:29] definitely check it out. Maharaja and this is on Netflix.
[1:02:34] It is just such a good film. I watched it recently and I was
[1:02:39] blown away by it. And of course, when I say
[1:02:42] Maharaj, I will talk about the Vijay Sethupathi Anurag Kashyap
[1:02:47] film and not the Junaid Khan one.
[1:02:49] Did not watch the Junaid Khan one.
[1:02:51] That is also a recommendation because I did watch that and it
[1:02:54] was not very good. But the Vijay Sethupathi one is
[1:02:57] a definite recommendation. So yeah, these two films, the
[1:03:00] Tamil Maharaja and the Marathi Atma pamphlet, check both of
[1:03:05] those out. You stole one of my
[1:03:07] recommendations. Because I too was going to
[1:03:09] recommend. Maharaj by Maharaja which is
[1:03:12] again which is Aitubati who at the beginning of the movie walks
[1:03:17] into a police station to complain that in iron dustbin
[1:03:23] has been stolen from his house and that just sets off this
[1:03:26] roller coaster ride which ends in a horrific conclusion.
[1:03:31] I'm not going to say anything. More than that, it's a fantastic
[1:03:34] movie. Do watch it.
[1:03:35] I already I have recommended Wolverine and Deadpool as well
[1:03:40] as I think the documentary Icarus, which we had mentioned
[1:03:43] earlier. That's also a good watch.
[1:03:45] So those are my pop culture recommendations for this week.
[1:03:48] And that's all the time we have for this week's episode.
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