# Episode 089 - Lyrics, Logos & Linguists

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 2 Nov 2024, 49 min.

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Do you know the early draft of which iconic song was supposed to be 'Mongolian' and was later changed? Do you know which famous company has GI tagged products with the logo of a lion with the head of an elephant, aka 'sharabha'? Do you know which famous linguist is credited with coining the word 'counterintuitive'? Tune in to find out!! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/areyouquizzingme Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@areyouquizzingme/podcasts

## Transcript

[0:00] Welcome to Are you Quizzing Me. I am Vineet Nair with my Co host
[0:04] Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia
[0:07] podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into
[0:10] history, science, pop culture and so much more.
[0:14] Let's get quizzing and we're back for episode number 89 of
[0:21] Are You Quizzing me? Your favorite quizzing and
[0:24] trivia podcast show. Aditya and I are back for
[0:27] another round of quizzing and let's start off today's
[0:31] proceedings with our regular audience question.
[0:34] Though many people consider Rahima Banu from Bangladesh or
[0:41] Mao Malin of Somalia to be the last, it is actually a
[0:47] photographer by the name of Janet Parker.
[0:51] What am I talking about? Let me repeat the question.
[0:54] Though many believe that Rahima Banu from Bangladesh or Mao
[0:59] Malin from Somalia were the last, the actual last one was a
[1:07] photographer by the name of Janet Parker.
[1:09] What am I talking about? I'll answer this question at the
[1:12] end of today's episode. So let me start off the rest of
[1:15] this today's episode with a question that is targeted to
[1:17] you. Aditya, Are you ready?
[1:21] Let's go. It's a very simple question.
[1:24] I'm going to play you a song. I need you to listen to the song
[1:28] and the question will follow. Aditya, are you familiar with
[1:48] the song? Let me ask you that off the bat.
[1:50] Never heard it before. OK, so this was one of the songs
[1:54] that I grew up hearing in movie soundtracks and on the radio.
[1:58] So this is a song called Manic Monday, a song by American pop
[2:02] rock band the Bengals, the same band who had walked like an
[2:05] Egyptian. You may have seen the iconic
[2:07] dance move for that. This was the first single
[2:10] released from their second studio album Different Light in
[2:13] 1986. Lyrically, it describes a woman
[2:17] who's waking up to go to work on Monday, wishing it was till
[2:20] Sunday so that she could continue relaxing.
[2:23] X wrote Manic Monday in 1984 and recorded it as a duet for the
[2:29] band Apollonia 6's self-titled album.
[2:33] But X eventually pulled the song.
[2:35] He didn't give it to them. Two years later, X offered the
[2:38] single to the Bengals under the pseudonym Christopher, a
[2:42] character X played in a 1986 film.
[2:46] It is rumoured by various writers that after X listened to
[2:50] the band's 1984 debut album, X gave the songs to Bengals rhythm
[2:55] guitarist Susanna Hoffs in the hopes of winning her affection.
[3:00] Whose X? Who wrote the iconic song Manic
[3:03] Monday that you just heard? Gave it to the band under the
[3:10] name of Christopher. Yes, under the pseudonym
[3:13] Christopher. And who did he or she initially
[3:17] write it for? The song was originally written
[3:19] for a band a female band called Singing Trio called Apollonia
[3:22] 6th, but X pulled it and didn't end up giving it to them and he
[3:28] finally gave it to the Bengals. OK, no, I have no idea.
[3:33] I've never heard of the Bengals or of Apollonius 6 or of
[3:39] Christopher. I mean, Christopher I might have
[3:40] heard of, but yeah, these are not very familiar names, so I'll
[3:44] ask you for a hint. Is Christopher significant?
[3:48] Yeah. So the clue that I'm giving you
[3:50] is that Christopher is a name from a character that X played
[3:55] in a 1986 film, which was also a directorial by X.
[4:00] And it was the first film of Kristen Scott Thomas as well.
[4:05] At the time it wasn't well received, but Post X is dead.
[4:09] Many have claimed it's a cult classic.
[4:12] Oh so X is dead 1980? Did he say 861986 also the
[4:21] directorial debut for X? Yes, and it starred.
[4:26] X is also starring and directed by.
[4:29] Yes. Oh interesting, someone who is
[4:32] also a writer, a songwriter. Very multi talented person.
[4:41] OK any other talents that I should know of?
[4:43] Actor, director, songwriter. So he has acted, has directed,
[4:48] has song written and plays a bunch of instruments.
[4:53] Considering that he's also a musician.
[4:55] Oh, as a musician, I was actually thinking of some writer
[5:00] who might have also written songs.
[5:02] OK, but there's a musician who's also written songs as musicians
[5:07] do. OK.
[5:09] This is 1986 dictorial debut. It was X's directorial debut.
[5:16] X also started it. Kristen Scott Thomas's first
[5:20] ever movie and it was not received well I think would be a
[5:26] fair assumption. It got 5 Golden Raspberry awards
[5:29] and tied with Howard the Duck for worst picture.
[5:32] However, after X is dead, many contemporary critics have
[5:37] revised their opinion and considered a cult classic.
[5:41] Don't have any clue. X is somebody who's featured on
[5:44] our podcast multiple times. I myself have spoken at length
[5:49] about him and his musical talents, about the number of
[5:53] instruments that he could play. Oh, number of instruments he
[5:56] could play. We have done this at some point
[5:58] in the broadcast. Is it Prince?
[6:02] It is Prince. Yes, Yes it is, Prince.
[6:04] Oh. It's a song by the American pop
[6:07] rock band the Bengals, and the song was written by Prince for
[6:12] the musical trio Apollonia 6. Now The thing is, Apollonia 6
[6:16] was a musical trio which was founded by Prince, so he wrote
[6:22] the song for them, but he decided to pull it and not give
[6:25] it to them. And then after he heard the
[6:27] Bengals debut album, he gave the song to the Bengals rhythm
[6:31] guitarist Susanna Hoffs in the hopes of bidding her affection.
[6:35] And on the credits, he's credited as Christopher, which
[6:39] is a pseudonym that he took from his character from the movie
[6:45] Under the Cherry Moon, which was a 1986 romantic musical comedy
[6:49] drama film which starred Prince, making his directorial debut,
[6:53] also featured Steven Buckhoff, Kristen Scott Thomas and
[6:57] Francesca Ennis. And Christopher Tracy is the
[7:01] character he plays in it who happens to be a gigolo.
[7:05] So, additional piece of fact that Prince played a gigolo, why
[7:09] do I have no difficulty assuming him in that role?
[7:11] He would have slayed in that role.
[7:15] Exactly. OK, so a good crack.
[7:17] It was indeed Prince. Prince did indeed write Manic
[7:20] Monday. Your question Aditya.
[7:23] OK, that was an unexpected piece of trivia.
[7:27] I actually don't think I knew that Prince had directed a film
[7:31] as well. I knew he starred in a few.
[7:34] OK, since we covered pop culture staple, here's another one for
[7:39] you, and another one from the world of music.
[7:43] Actually, an early draft of this particular song was to be
[7:50] auctioned at Sotheby's and revealed a different working
[7:55] title previously unknown to the band's fans and scholars.
[8:00] We're talking about the famous song by a famous band.
[8:04] It was the early draft of this song was to be auctioned off at
[8:09] Sotheby's. It revealed a different working
[8:11] title. The lyrics to the song are
[8:15] written on stationary from the defunct airline British Midland
[8:21] in 1976. The songwriter said that in the
[8:26] early stages of writing the song I almost rejected it, but then
[8:32] it grew. The drafts are estimated to be
[8:35] worth £1.2 million. As you can tell, it's a British
[8:41] band that I'm Speaking of, and hence the pounds.
[8:44] The last clue, or the last hint that I'll give you before you
[8:48] can take your guess as to what the song is, is that the song
[8:52] was supposed to be. The early draft revealed that
[8:55] was supposed to be Mongolian. What song am I talking about?
[9:01] Why do you have the sneaky suspicion this is about The
[9:03] Beatles? Oh, you would be incorrect, Sir.
[9:07] Oh, it isn't The Beatles. Because I would have had
[9:11] absolutely. I mean, like, I still don't have
[9:12] a clue, but when you're talking about British band, oh, that was
[9:18] the time of the British invasion.
[9:19] So you have a lot of British bands supposed to be called
[9:22] Mongolia. OK, I think I'd first have to
[9:26] identify the band before I can even get to the name.
[9:28] Any clues on that? If I give you the name of the
[9:31] band, the name of the song becomes way too apparent, so I
[9:34] think I'm going to give you something else instead.
[9:38] These belongings were being auctioned off by the original
[9:42] songwriters friend and heir Mary Austin.
[9:46] So the songwriter, the band member, has now passed away.
[9:51] His friend and heir, Mary Austin was doing so in order to get her
[9:55] affairs in order and hence auctioned off furniture, stage
[10:00] costumes and drafts for other hits by this band as well.
[10:06] Mary Austin, I have no clue who this is.
[10:10] Mongolian was supposed to be the original name for the song.
[10:14] It's written on airline stationary.
[10:17] OK, it's not The Clash. I'm fairly sure it's not The
[10:20] Clash. The other thing.
[10:22] Again, knowing you, I would go for The Who if it's we are
[10:26] looking at a band from Britain from that time.
[10:29] I wouldn't be off by saying that is bigger than The Who.
[10:32] Whoa. OK, then it's The Rolling
[10:34] Stones. Oh, arguably bigger than The
[10:37] Rolling Stones. Wait, what?
[10:38] Who is bigger than The Rolling Stones?
[10:39] They are the soundtrack of the 60s and 70s.
[10:42] Like I said, arguably. Wait, the only band I would call
[10:45] bigger than The Rolling Stones would be The Beatles.
[10:50] Who is this bigger than The Rolling Stones?
[10:53] A. British rock band?
[10:55] British rock band? The Scorpions?
[10:58] No. Were they British?
[10:59] I don't know. I don't remember.
[11:01] No bigger, bigger, bigger. Bigger than The Rolling Stones?
[11:05] Come on, who's bigger than The Rolling Stones and The Beatles?
[11:09] I didn't say bigger than The Beatles.
[11:10] Yeah, no, I get it. Yeah.
[11:11] No, because you're not talking about Deep Purple.
[11:13] Don't tell me Deep Purple was bigger than The Rolling Stones.
[11:17] I mean like that's a point of. Contention, but OK.
[11:21] No, I'm not making any such claims.
[11:23] Honestly, you might disagree with even my categorization and
[11:27] my ranking. You might still think Rolling
[11:29] Stones is bigger, but let's say equivalent to Rolling Stones in
[11:33] in terms of cultural impact. Equivalent to The Rolling Stones
[11:36] in terms of cultural impact. And The Rolling Stones are
[11:41] considered the soundtrack of the 60s.
[11:43] So who's bigger than them in cultural impact?
[11:46] Oh, this is somebody I'm missing.
[11:48] I'm. These guys were formed in 1970.
[11:50] In 1970, Yeah. Led Zeppelin.
[11:53] Def Leppard. No.
[11:56] All right. OK, let me give you one last
[11:58] clue. The songwriter in question, who
[12:00] was also the lead singer of the band, He changed his last name
[12:05] based off of the lyrics from his own song My Fairy King.
[12:11] David Bowie. No.
[12:15] OK, I give up. This is just, I'll be like, I'm
[12:17] completely out of clothes right now.
[12:20] I have plumbed the depths of my British rock band.
[12:22] Before I tell you what the answer is, I'll repeat.
[12:25] Initially I didn't say it was called Mongolian.
[12:28] It was supposed to be Mongolian. That's how I phrased it.
[12:32] And these are phrases as such was because it wasn't supposed
[12:34] to be called Mongolian, it was supposed to be Mongolian.
[12:37] Something as opposed to. You're talking about Queen.
[12:43] This is Bohemian Rhapsody. Are you?
[12:45] Oh, God, I was focused on the 60s and the 70s when you were
[12:52] told me. Oh, God, this was the 80s.
[12:54] OK, Queen. Yes, Bohemian Rhapsody.
[12:58] Like I mentioned, formed in 1970 and Bohemian Rhapsody is a 1975
[13:03] hit. So arguably Queen is bigger than
[13:06] The Rolling Stones, but if not bigger, at least as as impact.
[13:09] No, I would argue that a little bit.
[13:11] Queen I would put on par with The Rolling Stones, but not
[13:14] bigger than The Rolling Stones. Come on.
[13:16] Fair enough, fair enough. You are the authority on British
[13:20] rock bands when it comes to the two of us.
[13:22] I'm not an authority on British rocks.
[13:24] We'll be having an authority on British rock songs coming on the
[13:27] podcast very soon. What tease?
[13:31] What tease? I love that.
[13:33] OK, well, but at least amongst the two of us, you are the
[13:35] authority, so I will defer to your judgement.
[13:38] It's not saying much at all. It is not.
[13:40] It is saying barely anything at all.
[13:43] But going back to the question, the draft reveals that was
[13:46] supposed to be called Mongolian Rhapsody before Bohemian
[13:49] Rhapsody became the name. And this was revealed in a very
[13:53] early draft. I'll have to share some of the
[13:56] early versions of things. Also in it, the early version of
[13:59] the lyrics read Mama, there's a war began.
[14:03] I've got to leave tonight. I've got to stand and fight.
[14:06] So these are supposed to be the opening lyrics.
[14:09] And the song's famous exclamations are all there.
[14:13] Galileo, Fandango, Scaramouche, thunderbolts and lightning
[14:17] alongside other words left on the cutting room floor.
[14:20] Matador and Belladonna so. OK.
[14:24] I can. I can kind of hear it.
[14:25] I can kind of hear Matador also being somewhere in there,
[14:28] Belladonna also being somewhere in there.
[14:29] So yeah. Possible.
[14:30] Possible, yeah. A lovely, lovely piece of trivia
[14:33] for all the queen heads. I don't know, Queenies.
[14:36] Whatever they call. No, no, no, no.
[14:40] Worker ants. No, no, no, no, no.
[14:44] You're going to get hate mail. I am big fan of Queen as well,
[14:47] so I'm considering myself a part of the Worker B clan.
[14:50] So these are all the lyrics for, or rather the early draft of
[14:56] Bohemian Rhapsody. If you do argue that they are
[15:01] not bigger than The Rolling Stones, I would still strongly
[15:04] argue the fact that Bohemian Rhapsody is probably one of the
[15:07] most famous songs of the era. Yes, I would not disagree to
[15:11] that. The thing is, I think The
[15:12] Rolling Stones and The Beatles, with regard to them, they
[15:15] defined an entire generation. Queen was big, but there were a
[15:19] lot of Hairspray, big hair 80s bands, you know, power bands.
[15:24] And so then it's very difficult to kind of quantify their
[15:27] cultural impact of the 80s. Obviously, yes, they were part
[15:30] big part of the 80s, but the way The Rolling Stones and The
[15:33] Beatles kind of define the 60s, that's what I meant.
[15:36] It's no sing on the band itself. Freddie Mercury is a legend 8
[15:41] octave range singer and so is Mick Jagger with his gigantic
[15:46] mouth and tongue. But definitely Queen is a great
[15:48] band and Bohemian Rhapsody the movie is also pretty good.
[15:52] Pretty decent movie of phenomenal performance by Rami
[15:55] Malik. I I'll give you one last piece
[15:58] of trivia since we were Speaking of British rock bands.
[16:00] Another one of Freddie Mercury's belongings that was auctioned
[16:04] off was a coffee stained notebook and this is estimated
[16:08] to have had a sale price of up to £180,000.
[16:11] And it featured designs for Queen's logo alongside fragments
[16:14] of songs and an insight into what Queen were playing in their
[16:17] early days. Set lists included Elvis
[16:21] Presley's Jailhouse Rock. Oh, and The Rolling Stones.
[16:24] Stupid girl. Haha see, they started off as a
[16:28] Rolling Stones cover band. I rest my case, my Lord.
[16:31] But we shall leave it to an authority on British rock to
[16:35] come in and settle this dispute. OK, so moving from The Rolling
[16:41] Stones and Queen to somebody who probably does not listen to any
[16:45] of those. X.
[16:47] Has starred in around 160 films, documentaries and TV series.
[16:52] He's known for his witty quotes and dry humor.
[16:55] X has said his success is a series of accidents.
[16:58] He has written over 100 books and is a critic of US foreign
[17:02] policy, capitalism and mainstream media and got
[17:06] arrested multiple times for his strong opinions.
[17:09] A newly discovered bee species was named after him in 2013.
[17:15] X has influenced global intellectualism for the last 6
[17:20] decades and was called the Devil's Accountant.
[17:25] Of all the epithets shoved on X's shelves, including being
[17:31] labeled the father of modern linguistics, the Devil's
[17:34] Accountant sticks because it most coherently explains his
[17:37] world view, which, albeit cold, has a modicum of Spock like
[17:41] logic. X is also credited with coining
[17:44] the word counter intuitive. Who's XX?
[17:48] Is alive right now. Yes, still.
[17:51] Alive because you said accountant, I was wondering if
[17:54] it is some sort of an economist. What are the other fields you
[17:58] mentioned? She is known as the father of
[18:00] modern linguistics. He's also been called the
[18:02] Devil's accountant. He's written over 100 books.
[18:06] Critic of US foreign policy, capitalism mainstream media
[18:10] start in around 160 films, documentaries and TV series and
[18:15] is credited with coining the word counter intuitive and You
[18:18] may particularly know him as a critic of US foreign policy he
[18:22] was an outspoken opponent of US involvement in the Vietnam War
[18:27] and multiple military conflicts there are.
[18:30] OK, so more left-leaning, I guess.
[18:34] Yeah, I don't. I wouldn't classify him that
[18:36] way. Yeah, but yes, he is a or
[18:39] leading critic of yours, foreign policy, critic of capitalism, US
[18:43] involvement, Israel's role in the Israel Palestine conflict.
[18:46] He's also a critic of mass media.
[18:49] OK. You could say that he's quite
[18:52] influential in the anti capitalist, anti imperialist
[18:55] movement. OK.
[18:57] OK. So definitely left-leaning.
[18:59] Interesting. And been a public intellectual
[19:03] or been in the public intellectual space for six
[19:06] decades? That's a pretty long time I
[19:08] would have heard of this person. I'm trying to figure out which
[19:11] linguist is that famous. You would know him more of as a
[19:15] philosopher and somebody who's a talking head on TV and gives
[19:18] opinions on a lot of things. But he's in fact a laureate
[19:23] professor of linguistics at the University of California and an
[19:26] Institute professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of
[19:30] Technology and is among one of the most cited living authors.
[19:36] One of the most cited. Authors, give me one more clue.
[19:39] Give me one more clue. I feel like I have this.
[19:41] Give me one more clue. So his name at least now, not
[19:45] very common among the public discourse in India, but at one
[19:48] point his views when India was a little more left-leaning in its
[19:54] entirety and the government, his views held a lot of weight.
[19:57] People used to quote him all the time.
[19:59] No, that doesn't really help that.
[20:01] That could have been anybody. So he retired from MIT in 2002.
[20:06] He then visited Turkey that same year to attend the trial of a
[20:09] publisher who had been accused of treason for printing one of
[20:13] his books. He then insisted on being a Co
[20:17] defendant and amid international media attention, the courts
[20:21] dropped the charge on the first day itself.
[20:24] That's the weight his name carries.
[20:26] Oh, very interesting. This was when this was. 2002.
[20:30] Feel like I've heard this. Is this Is this Noam Chomsky?
[20:35] This is Chomsky. Yes, this is Noam Chomsky.
[20:39] So I didn't know the fact that he coined the word counter
[20:42] intuitive. Did you know that?
[20:44] No idea, I'd never heard of this before.
[20:46] So now a lot of people remember Noam Chomsky for his opinions on
[20:50] American politics and his anti war anti capitalism kind of
[20:54] viewpoint. However, the fact is he was a
[20:57] linguistics professor. Very smart man.
[21:02] Since you asked this question, I remember this piece of trivia.
[21:04] I think Jamia Millia Islamia has a building I think named after
[21:09] him. Oh.
[21:11] I did not know that. Yeah, so I guess he does hold
[21:14] some sway in the Indian education circles.
[21:18] And I think I remember in the 90s and in the 2000s, a lot of
[21:22] people were publishing his quotes and he was mentioned that
[21:26] many speeches and whatnot. But then, as I mentioned, during
[21:29] that time, the entire discourse and political climate in India
[21:32] was more leaning towards the left.
[21:34] Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Since we spoke of a giant in the
[21:40] Indian sphere, I'm going to talk about Indian mythological
[21:45] giants. Well, not quite literally
[21:46] giants, but figuratively. Do you know of the goddess
[21:51] Dakshayani? Dakshayani.
[21:53] Yeah, I've heard the name. It's a common name for women at
[21:56] the particular generation in South India.
[21:59] Not so common now. Yeah, do you know what the
[22:02] Goddess was better known as? That would be a little
[22:05] difficulty for me. The knowledge of that kind of
[22:08] begins and ends with the fact that it was one of the
[22:10] expansions of my grandmother's initials.
[22:13] So my grandmother was TD Gauri Kutiyama.
[22:16] Out of that, the D was Dakshayaniyama.
[22:18] So it was taken at the Dakshayanyama Gauri Kutiyama.
[22:21] Very old naming convention from the early 30s of Artis it was.
[22:25] Interesting. So Amma appears twice.
[22:27] Yeah, because it's a matrilineal thing.
[22:29] So she's named after her mother. So.
[22:32] So the family and traditional families.
[22:35] The family line is continued through Daughters.
[22:38] I have heard this before. Yes, exactly.
[22:39] So then I am considered to be of my mother's family because I
[22:43] came through my mother. But my son is considered to be a
[22:46] scion of his mother's family. So that's a it's a matter in
[22:50] your lineage thing. So Tekken editor was the name of
[22:53] the family. The Dakshaya I think was her
[22:56] mother and Gauri Katyama is her name.
[22:58] So that's why her name was always shortened to TD Gauri
[23:01] Katyama. I like it.
[23:02] TD people should should have some initialisms in their names.
[23:06] I like it. Trust.
[23:06] Me it's a pain like when you have to fill out forms,
[23:10] especially abroad or when you're travelling.
[23:13] These initials are a pain because you don't know where to
[23:16] put them. Do you put them in the beginning
[23:18] or at the end? Because her name is technically
[23:20] TD Gauri Kuti Amar, right? People would under normal
[23:23] conventions assume that Gauri Kuti Amar has her last name.
[23:26] Very complicated. Hence I decided that my son was
[23:29] only going to have two names. First name, last name.
[23:31] That's it. No initials.
[23:33] I myself have an initial which is a middle name.
[23:36] So now we have diverted quite away from your question.
[23:40] I do not mind the diversion, but let's bring it back to the
[23:42] question. Yes, Dakshayani, also known as
[23:45] Sati, probably more famously known as Sati OK, is the Hindu
[23:50] goddess of marital Felicity and longevity.
[23:54] OK. And is worshipped as an aspect
[23:56] of the mother goddess Shakti. OK.
[23:59] Sati, as some people might not be aware, was the first wife of
[24:03] Shiva, the other being Parvati. Yes, yes, Yes.
[24:06] Dakshayani because she was daughter of Daksha, the king.
[24:09] Yes, I remember the Puranas. Yes, yes.
[24:11] Exactly. Your memories are fresh
[24:13] successfully. I'll just quickly, quickly
[24:15] describe the story of Sathi. She was, as you mentioned, the
[24:19] child of Daksha, the favorite child of Daksha, who married
[24:23] Shiv against her father's wishes.
[24:26] When Daksha organized a yagna in which he didn't invite Sathi and
[24:31] Shiv, Sathi went to attend it but was humiliated by her
[24:35] father. She then emulated herself or or
[24:39] set as an on fire as a protest against her father and to uphold
[24:45] the honour of her husband. Upon hearing of what had
[24:49] happened, Shiv was overcome by grief and sorrow.
[24:53] He carried Sathi's body, reminiscing about their moments
[24:57] as a couple and roamed around the universe with it.
[25:01] Vishnu had cut her body into 52 body parts using his Sudarshan
[25:06] chakra which fell on earth to become sacred sites where all
[25:12] the people can pay homage to the goddess.
[25:15] Where did one specific body organ allegedly fall and hence
[25:21] gave its name to that place. So I haven't told you what the
[25:24] body organ was, and obviously I haven't told you the name of the
[25:26] place, but I'm asking you which body organ and where did it
[25:29] fall? OK.
[25:30] This question did not go where I was expecting it to go.
[25:34] So one particular body part fell somewhere and it's been named
[25:37] after that? Yeah.
[25:39] Is this a place I would know? I'm guessing it is.
[25:42] Definitely, definitely. OK, I'll need some kind of clue
[25:45] here. As I mentioned, a lot of these
[25:48] are famous spots for pilgrimages and for people to go pay
[25:52] respects to the goddess Shakti, or Sati as it were.
[25:56] This spot is where the eyes, specifically Sati's right eye,
[26:01] fell. Nainital.
[26:04] Oh, that was a quick crack. Yes, that is Nainital Nain, as
[26:09] Hindi speakers would know, word which means I and nainital gets
[26:14] its name from the lake which is over there, the nainital or lake
[26:20] of the eye. So nainital means lake of the
[26:22] eye and that's where the eye fell.
[26:24] And hence Nainital came to be named after that particular
[26:28] spot. Very nice, but I think mostly
[26:31] pleasure pilgrimages now rather than religious pilgrimages to
[26:34] Nainital. Probably.
[26:38] OK, that, that was a great question.
[26:41] I did not know that Nainital was named in that fashion.
[26:45] Go check out the list. The entire list is interesting
[26:47] because it is all devoted to this one particular deity.
[26:51] OK, Vineet, handing it back to you.
[26:54] So my question to you, Aditya is also related to Hindu mythology,
[26:59] Hindu epic Mahabharata. A Sharabha was described as a
[27:04] lion slaying, being with eight legs, eyes on top, living in the
[27:08] forest in which 8 draw flesh. In other mentions in the Puranas
[27:11] it is described as an 8 legged deer like creature.
[27:15] And still another depiction, one which you would be more familiar
[27:19] with is that of a lion with the head of an elephant.
[27:23] This last depiction is the logo of a very profitable enterprise
[27:27] which manufacturers not one but two GI tag products.
[27:33] Name either of the two GI tag products and the company for
[27:36] bonus points. Two GI tag you said?
[27:40] Lion with an elephant head. Yes, it's a mythological
[27:44] creature called the sharaba sharaba.
[27:47] Fair disclosure. This sharaba in this particular
[27:50] form is also seen on many other depictions, but I'm specifically
[27:55] asking about this product on which you may have seen the
[27:58] logo. You may have seen it.
[27:59] Lion with elephant head. I can think of some things with
[28:03] lion heads. Whether do GI tag products imply
[28:07] that this is a food item or it can be something else also,
[28:09] which is? No GI tag product means it can
[28:12] be called that. There's a trademark on the name
[28:14] and it can be called that only if it comes from that particular
[28:17] manufacturer, from that particular location.
[28:20] For example, I think the Tirupati laddu is GI tagged
[28:23] which means that you can call it a Tirupati ladu only if it comes
[28:27] from the Tirupati temple itself. Similarly, the Banganapalli
[28:31] mango is also GI tag product, which means can't grow it
[28:34] anywhere else and call it the Banganapalli mango.
[28:36] You can only call it a Banganapalli mango if it is
[28:39] actually grown in Andhra Pradesh in the region of Banganapalli.
[28:42] So this is similar to that. This product is only called that
[28:47] and AGI tag to that particular company to that particular
[28:49] location. OK, I definitely feel like I've
[28:52] seen this somewhere and the reason I asked was because I was
[28:54] wondering if I should be thinking of food company or not
[28:56] and I feel like this is not a food product.
[28:58] So I feel like I've seen it somewhere on some sort of
[29:01] regular use product, but not a food item.
[29:03] Oh yeah, at least my parents used to buy it when I was a kid.
[29:07] I also do occasionally buy it nowadays.
[29:11] No, you have to help me out here.
[29:13] OK, I'll tell you the other place that you may see the
[29:17] Sharapa. So that may spark something.
[29:20] Sharapa is also part of the logo of the state of Karnataka.
[29:25] OK. So this is somewhere in
[29:28] Karnataka, some sort of product from Karnataka?
[29:31] Yes, I'll give you another clue. The website for this particular
[29:37] product where you can buy it online was changed.
[29:41] In between they had to change the domain name after the name
[29:44] of the place also was changed. If you want to see the original
[29:48] website, you have to go to the Internet Wayback Machine.
[29:51] So they changed the name of the website because the name changed
[29:56] for the place. Yes.
[29:59] I can't think of any other place in Karnataka that is famous
[30:03] enough or at least is ringing a bell right now.
[30:06] OK. Let me just clarify.
[30:07] When I mean name change, it's the same kind of change you have
[30:10] when you make Bombay, Mumbai. Figured, figured, figured.
[30:14] Yeah, no. Some other clue please?
[30:17] Maybe that type of product? OK, when I go into the type of
[30:20] product, I can tell you that this product had the Indian
[30:24] version of say, like a royal charter, you know, the royal
[30:28] charter that Queen Elizabeth has where they can put that blue
[30:31] Crest on their product. Similarly, this product also has
[30:34] a very royal connection. I was going to say initially
[30:38] some tea but then I don't think Karnataka is famous for its
[30:41] teas. Coffee more than tea, but yeah.
[30:45] Royal Charter tea would make sense, but no.
[30:47] OK, this is some other kind of product.
[30:51] Yeah, It would help if you could tell me the type of product or
[30:53] any other hint actually. OK, so this would come under the
[30:56] classification of hygiene and perfume.
[30:58] Perfume Summit. No, again, it that is not really
[31:02] a Karnataka thing. Oh oh, is this Mysore sandal
[31:07] soap? Yes.
[31:08] OK. So Mysore Sandal soap is one of
[31:10] the GI tag products and what is the other one?
[31:13] I'm assuming something Mysore is some sort of Mysore sandal
[31:17] perfume. It's a Mysore sandal soap and
[31:19] the Mysore sandalwood oil. OK, alright.
[31:22] Hence the hygiene and perfume clue.
[31:24] So the company. If you do, you know the company.
[31:27] No, I have no clue but I feel like I've seen the logo on this
[31:30] soap branding. Like I mentioned, this logo of
[31:34] which features a Sharabha is part of the Karnataka government
[31:38] and the company is Karnataka Soaps and Detergents Limited,
[31:41] KSBL. It's an Indian company owned by
[31:44] the Government of Karnataka, which manufacturers personal
[31:47] care products including the classic Mysore sandal soap.
[31:50] It is founded as the Government Sandalwood Oil Factory in 1916
[31:56] for extracting and exporting sandalwood oil.
[31:58] So there's a funny fact in that. Do you know that prior to this
[32:02] factory being there, the sandalwood was taken all the way
[32:05] to Germany for extracting sandal oil interest and then World War
[32:10] One struck and they had to find another way of doing it.
[32:14] So then they set up a factory in Mysore itself and the rest is
[32:17] history. So it launched Mysore Sandal
[32:19] Soap in 1918 and has since manufactured soaps and cosmetics
[32:23] products. It became a public sector
[32:25] enterprise in 1980 and was renamed as KSDL and it's logo
[32:30] features Sharaba, which in this particular depiction is that of
[32:35] a lion with an elephant head. And also to give you a
[32:39] fairpoint, one of the clues I gave you was that the old
[32:42] website was Mysore Sandal. OK.
[32:45] MYSORE Sandal. Now they've changed it to
[32:48] Mysuru, which is the new name for Mysore.
[32:51] So it's Mysuru, MYSURU, mysurusandal.co dot in.
[32:56] I wasn't even aware of this name change.
[32:57] OK, interesting. Bangalore became Bengaluru same
[33:01] way Mysore became Mysuru, Mangalore became Mangaluru.
[33:06] OK, OK, OK. So since we are talking about
[33:11] iconic Indian things, I'm going to ask you for my last question.
[33:16] Which is the oldest privately owned still running TV channel
[33:22] in India? Privately owned, still running
[33:26] TV channel in India. Is it Asia net?
[33:32] No, it's not Asia Net, it just happens to be an interesting
[33:35] piece of trivia because I was reading about the launch and
[33:37] origin of this. It was launched on 2nd October
[33:41] 1992. The channel initially broadcast
[33:44] 3 hours a day, its output consisting of movies and reruns
[33:47] of Dul Darshan serials. The channel's initial manager
[33:50] was a dual Darshan news reporter who was on leave from his
[33:53] employer. OK so wasn't even a full time
[33:57] employer so I guess he just chose to rerun some dur Darshan
[34:00] stuff. OK.
[34:02] They were criticized for airing mainly old Hindi films and
[34:06] serials that were previously broadcast soon after its launch.
[34:09] They were being criticized and a lovely review, a really funny
[34:14] review, which would be a dead giveaway, so I'll give that as a
[34:16] hint later was criticizing them for this kind of networking.
[34:21] And to offset such criticism, they began producing more
[34:25] original content and they even chose to expand beyond its pool
[34:29] of initial producers from Dual Tarshan.
[34:32] They, incidentally, were also the first Hindi channel to be
[34:36] launched on Singapore Cablevision.
[34:38] So they launched in Singapore in 1995.
[34:42] Which channel is this that I speak of?
[34:44] The only one I can think of from that era is ZTV.
[34:49] Perfect Vineet. Honestly, this is just an excuse
[34:51] to give you what that review reviewer said in that review.
[34:54] OK, can you take a wild guess as to what the reviewer said,
[34:58] condemning them for their programming?
[35:00] OK, OK, OK, OK, I'm going to flex my brain here, ZTV.
[35:04] So it's something to do with sleep and Z's, something like
[35:08] that. Oh, very cool, very cool.
[35:11] You know what? I'll give you top marks for
[35:12] that. But here's what the reviewer
[35:15] said, though I will give them A for effort and Z for quality,
[35:22] OK? OK, very nice, very nice.
[35:25] Interestingly, I don't know. I somehow for some reason
[35:28] assumed it was *. If I'm not mistaken, Asia Net it
[35:32] was also launched sometime at that era.
[35:35] Asia Network did start Asia Television Network.
[35:38] It was started earlier, however it is now defunct.
[35:41] No, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not talking about Asia network.
[35:43] I'm talking about Asia Net, which is ATV channel.
[35:46] It's a Malayalam TV channel and. OK.
[35:49] I'm just looking it up, just give me a second.
[35:52] It was founded in 1993. Oh.
[35:55] And it's still running. A star took over a ownership of
[35:58] Asia Net in I think 2014, but the channel and it's other sub
[36:04] channels which they have Asian and movies, Asian and music all
[36:07] of that is still. Interesting.
[36:10] And one interesting piece of trivia, I don't it's not trivia,
[36:13] it's just letting people know what it is.
[36:15] So in the early 90s or in the mid 90s, ZTV had this amazing
[36:20] program called Antakshari, which was hosted by Anu Kapoor.
[36:24] I think Renuka Sani was also there and it was this kind of
[36:28] obviously for people who don't know what Antakshi is, it's a
[36:31] game where you sing a song and then the people what the
[36:35] opposite team has to sing a song with the word that you end it
[36:38] with or actually the letter that you end it with.
[36:41] It's a silly game that people in India play all the time.
[36:43] I'm not saying it's too silly. It's still very difficult to
[36:45] play. I'm not going to taste anybody
[36:46] who plays Antakshi because I can't.
[36:48] And I remember the team names were like Deewane, Parvane
[36:51] Mastani or something like that. It was an insanely popular show.
[36:56] The problem was in the Middle East at that point of time, I
[36:59] think when the show was first airing in India, there weren't
[37:03] many cable channels and not a lot of people had access to TV
[37:06] dishes and what not, right? They were expensive.
[37:08] So for the middle class or the lower middle class in the Middle
[37:11] East, you had people who would record Antakshari on VCR,
[37:16] compilations of Antakshi episodes on VCR, and somebody
[37:20] would ship it to a video store in the Middle East and they'd
[37:23] make multiple copies of it. And people would actually rent
[37:26] those copies out like movies. So I remember people going out
[37:31] and renting Antakshi 46, which was like.
[37:34] I don't know. God knows how many episodes in
[37:37] or whatnot, but yeah, it was such a popular show at that
[37:39] point of time. I've never seen.
[37:41] I mean, like I think maybe KBC I've seen have that kind of
[37:44] reach after that, but I've never seen any other show have that
[37:48] kind of impact. Mass appeal?
[37:51] Yeah, makes sense. Makes sense since you did speak
[37:54] of Anu Kapoor and we are wrapping up.
[37:56] So consider this a weird pop culture recommendation.
[37:58] I appeared in a recent ad with Anu Kapoor.
[38:00] Oh, I did see that one. Which went to some sort of viral
[38:05] because only because one of the people, because a bunch of
[38:08] people sent it to me asking me if I'm the one.
[38:10] And they're like, are you this guy?
[38:11] And I was like, yeah, I am because it's a Durex condom ad
[38:15] and I appear in it. People were wondering if if it's
[38:18] because I'm appearing and there's another guy in it and
[38:20] they're like, oh, is it about a gay couple?
[38:22] No, no, My question was who's OK?
[38:25] I'm not going to. Who's the condom?
[38:26] Who's the man? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[38:29] No, no spoilers. It's a very.
[38:30] Short. I was not trying to spoil it,
[38:32] but yeah, that was my confusion. I was like, which one?
[38:35] This one. That's my first connection in a
[38:38] very roundabout way to ZTV. My second connection in a
[38:41] slightly less roundabout way is Dance India.
[38:44] Dance had launched a Singapore version called Dance Singapore
[38:47] Dance. Oh no, no, this is not going
[38:49] where you think it is going because in the initial stages of
[38:52] it, they do some open auditions and people are invited to come.
[38:55] I don't think this part is recorded or televised.
[38:58] So it's just an audition that people can go and, and I went to
[39:00] support a friend over there and my friend eventually got
[39:04] selected in the top 12 and she appeared in the show itself.
[39:07] However, at some point, the judge was like, they were
[39:10] setting up a new shot and they asked like, if anybody in the
[39:12] audience wanted to just like, you know, come up on stage and
[39:15] do something. And my friends like idiots who
[39:17] were there also to support the other friend.
[39:19] Yeah, they started saying, I'll go out there and I not want to
[39:24] turn down an opportunity to make cool out of myself.
[39:27] I went up on stage and I did some random stuff, completely
[39:30] random off the cuff. And I remember the judge saying,
[39:35] oh, I'm so glad you're not in the competition, I would have to
[39:38] reject you. Some very demeaning kind of
[39:42] thing like that, which is fair. He was, he was valid in his
[39:44] criticism. As it so turns out, they were
[39:47] looking in the next couple of days for the same judge because
[39:49] he also had to perform a dance. They were looking for some
[39:51] dancers, like 3 or 4 background dancers for him, and they
[39:54] couldn't fight people around. So they reached out to the wider
[39:58] Singapore network and somebody gave it to me and I went.
[40:00] So I was his backing dancer three days later, after he had
[40:05] told me how much I sucked. Please tell me the payroll of
[40:07] this somewhere. There has to be a video of this.
[40:09] I have no idea where it is, but I was Mudassar, pretty famous
[40:13] for choreographer in Bollywood. He was the judge who told me
[40:16] that I suck. Yeah.
[40:18] And that was a very valid point, but I got to be a dancer behind
[40:21] Mudasar in his dance performance a couple.
[40:23] Hey, can Mudasar host a podcast about quizzing?
[40:26] No, he can't I. Don't know, I'll have to check
[40:29] in on him to ask him that but. You never know, Bombay.
[40:32] Nah, a lot of these people are trivia hurts and you'll not even
[40:34] realize. Like the most unlikely people
[40:36] turn out to be trivia nuts. So Mudasar, if you are a trivia
[40:39] nut, I'm very sorry. Please.
[40:42] But that does bring a lovely segue as you wrap up that please
[40:45] watch out for our next couple of episodes.
[40:48] We have a dream guest appearing on as a collaborator for an
[40:54] episode or hopefully 2 if we can convince him.
[40:57] And that is as far a clue as I'm going to give.
[41:00] The, the only additional thing I would say is that when we first
[41:04] started this podcast two years ago, I think we were on episode
[41:08] 2 or 3 and we were discussing, you know, we should probably
[41:11] bring on some guests apart from the people we know.
[41:14] Like I know HK has been on this podcast innumerable number of
[41:17] Times Now. He's practically our third quiz
[41:20] master. So apart from apart from SK, we
[41:23] were discussing, you know, we should probably bring us and we
[41:25] were thinking, OK, we should, but we've only a couple of
[41:27] episodes in. But then I literally told
[41:30] Aditya, you know, I want this person as our guest.
[41:34] And he was like, oh, that's nice.
[41:36] Maybe someday. And that someday is probably
[41:39] coming soon. So.
[41:42] This is a lovely opportunity for us to open it up to the
[41:45] audience. Take a wild guess, send us who
[41:47] you think it could be. If nothing else, it gives us
[41:49] suggestions on who else we can bring on the podcast.
[41:51] So. Yes, yes, that's, that's great.
[41:54] So let's wind up today's episode.
[41:56] And let me start off with the question that I had asked.
[42:00] Many people think that the last was Rahima Banu from Bangladesh.
[42:06] Still others think that it was Alima Omalin from Somalia.
[42:10] But the actual last was Janet Parker, a photographer from the
[42:15] UK. So who, or at least what am I
[42:18] talking about? I think this is a disease or
[42:22] somebody dying from a disease. Yes.
[42:25] It's definitely not tuberculosis, as John Greed
[42:28] wanted insist, because people are still dying from
[42:31] tuberculosis. Is it?
[42:32] Is it smallpox by any chance? Yes, it is a smallpox.
[42:36] A lot of sources, when you look at them, they say that Rahima
[42:39] Bhanu was the last one. But there was one particular
[42:43] medical photographer by the name of Janet Parker, who was the
[42:47] last person to be known as the confirmed case of pond pox, and
[42:50] she died from smallpox. There are some not safe for work
[42:54] photographs of the lesions that appeared on her.
[42:58] So if you've never seen it, it's a very tragic story.
[43:01] But it was 1978 when this happened and The Who was just
[43:05] about to declare it eradicated on a worldwide level because
[43:08] there were NO0 cases reported for a long time.
[43:10] But then Janet Parker, medical photographer from the UK, got it
[43:16] and it was a very tragic story. The factors, they did contact
[43:21] tracing after her case and they vaccinated around 500 people.
[43:26] But even today, not a single person knows exactly how she
[43:31] contracted the disease. Granted, that Missus Parker
[43:34] worked at a smallpox laboratory, but exactly how this disease she
[43:38] contracted is something that we still don't know.
[43:41] So Janet Parker was the last known case of smallpox and she
[43:45] died from it. And then 2-3 years later, The
[43:47] Who declared that it had officially been eradicated as an
[43:51] infectious disease. And it is the first ever
[43:54] infectious disease that we have eradicated through medical
[43:57] science. That's the audience question.
[44:00] Aditya, what's your pop culture recommendation for this week?
[44:03] I'll do something different that I've done once before.
[44:05] I'm going to recommend 2 songs. One of them I recently
[44:08] encountered and I loved it. And I'm going to share another
[44:11] one, an old favorite. So the first one is the newer
[44:15] one. It's called High Ren and it's by
[44:18] the artist Ren. And I would recommend actually
[44:21] watching the music video because it was pretty interestingly
[44:24] short music video. This is a singer-songwriter by
[44:27] the name of Ren Gill. It's almost like him talking to
[44:32] his conscience kind of a song. Hi Ren.
[44:34] He's a Welsh songwriter, musician, rapper, producer,
[44:37] director. So yeah, go check out Hi Ren by
[44:41] Ren. And the other one is Kiran Allu
[44:44] Aliya. I would actually encourage you
[44:45] to check out all of the discography of both Ren and
[44:48] Kiran Allu Aliya, but this particular song hire and Byron
[44:51] and Kiran Alu Alia's song Awara Awara.
[44:54] I remember finding as a recommendation on a podcast some
[44:57] other podcast somewhere forgetting which one probably
[45:00] seen in the unseen since is in Indian podcast where I heard of
[45:04] this song and it is such a beautiful song.
[45:08] It's the first time I remember listening to a piece of music
[45:10] and being moved to tears because I I, I do once in a while tear
[45:15] up when listening to music, but usually it's because it's
[45:17] associated to maybe some moment in a film or I've seen the video
[45:21] or some visual associated. This is the first time I had a
[45:24] purely auditory experience which moved me and I don't know what
[45:27] it is. If an audience member feels
[45:29] likewise, please let me know because I would love to know if
[45:31] this is a more universal experience or maybe it's
[45:33] something specific to me. But these two songs, Hiren and
[45:36] Awara. OK, so my recommendation today
[45:40] is a movie which I had been searching for for a long, long
[45:45] time. This is one of those movies that
[45:47] I watched way back in when I was in college.
[45:50] Let's just say I had to watch a bootleg version of it.
[45:54] It was a movie called The Fall. So it's a movie directed by
[45:57] Tarzan Singh starring Lee Pace. And I was entranced by that
[46:02] movie. And then many years later, when
[46:04] I started revisiting these movies, I just found I could not
[46:07] find that movie anymore. I just couldn't find the movie
[46:09] anywhere. And I had moved away from my
[46:11] bootleg days. It was not available on any
[46:13] streaming platforms. What now?
[46:14] But recently when I renewed my movie subscription, I found that
[46:20] the movie is available on movie. So that's my recommendation.
[46:23] Please go watch The Fall. It stars leap based directed by
[46:27] Tarshan Singh. It is a fantastic fantasy film
[46:30] and it is so beautifully shot. There are very few movies which
[46:35] I've seen which is so so beautifully shot.
[46:38] Literally every frame is like a painting.
[46:42] Please go watch the Fall. It's a 2006 adventure fantasy
[46:46] film Dasan Singh Le Pace. That's my first recommendation.
[46:49] Second recommendation is a recently released movie.
[46:52] It's in theaters today. At the time of recording this
[46:55] podcast, it is still in theaters.
[46:57] The movie is called Bougainvillea.
[47:00] It's a Malayalam crime psychological thriller film
[47:03] directed by Amal Neared and starring Kunja Ko Bhuban and
[47:07] Fahad Fasan, whose name is now quite familiar to audiences all
[47:11] across India. So the movie is a psychological
[47:14] thriller at Neilid is a person known for his craft.
[47:17] I recommended a couple of his movies in this podcast Before
[47:20] You Been the Poster Gum and Beshma Parvam.
[47:23] So those are again additional recommendations from the past.
[47:26] But his new movie is also something I liked pretty well.
[47:29] It's a beautifully short. He uses lighting so perfectly
[47:34] and every frame is like a wallpaper.
[47:36] I mean, like, it's just fantastic the way he's shot the
[47:39] film. So it's quite a dark movie, not
[47:41] something you want to watch with kids.
[47:44] Bougainvillea and The Fall, both very beautifully short movies.
[47:48] So that's my recommendation for this week and that's all the
[47:52] time we have for today's episode.
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[48:31] also welcome. You could try and ambush Aditya
[48:34] when he's out doing improv. Give him your suggestions to act
[48:39] out on stage, you know, But then I know you people don't do that
[48:42] because I all, I know you like him better than me.
[48:44] So then again, I'm bringing up this grievance again and again
[48:48] until somebody sends me a question and I have a feeling
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