# Episode 130 - Sons, Husbands & Brothers

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 9 Feb 2026, 1 h 04 min.

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Do you know what is the full name of a prominent Afro-Brazilian carnival group: "Sons of ___"? Do you know what are these types of: Brahma, Deva, Arsha, Prajapatya, Gandharva, Asura, Rakshasa and Paishacha? Do you know which common English phrase led to the conviction of a prominent American criminal in the 90s? Tune in to the episode to find out!! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/areyouquizzingme Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@areyouquizzingme/podcasts

## Transcript

[0:00] New Moore Island, alternatively called S Thalpati or Purbhasha
[0:06] Island in the Sunderbans delta region, sparked A territorial
[0:10] disagreement between India and Bangladesh.
[0:13] First spotted in 1974 via US satellite imagery, it expanded
[0:19] significantly from sediment buildup due to river floods.
[0:23] Both countries asserted ownership without resolution
[0:27] until 2010, when the issue dramatically resolved itself.
[0:32] What happened in 2010? That is the audience question,
[0:36] which we will answer at the end of today's episode.
[0:39] This is are you quizzing me? Your favorite quizzing and
[0:42] trivia podcast show. This is episode #130 Kill the
[0:47] music. Welcome to Are you quizzing me.
[0:51] I am Vineet Nair with my Co host Aditya Kashyap.
[0:54] This is a quizzing trivia podcast show.
[0:57] Join us as we dive deep into history, science, pop culture
[1:01] and so much more. Let's get quizzing and we're
[1:05] back. Aditya and I are back for
[1:07] another round of quizzing. Aditya, how are you feeling?
[1:09] I'm feeling good, I have some fun trivia as always, but I also
[1:14] have some great movie recommendations for the end of
[1:17] the episodes. Of course, stick around for the
[1:19] audience question, but also stick around for the pop culture
[1:21] recommendations. Because guess what?
[1:23] It is Oscar season baby. And I'm back to my fancy
[1:28] snobbery and I'm watching all these accolated movies and I
[1:34] have some good recommendations. OK, very nice.
[1:37] So how say you that I start off today's episode with a cracker
[1:41] of a. Question, is it even an
[1:44] alternate thing anymore, Vineet, I feel like you, you start off
[1:46] the questions whenever you're very excited about your
[1:49] questions and then when I look excited, you let me start off.
[1:52] So I think it's just going off of vibe now.
[1:55] I honestly don't remember who started last week.
[1:57] Doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
[1:59] OK, so in 1949, and let me apologize for my pronunciation
[2:04] beforehand so please don't come for me if in 1949 dock workers
[2:09] in Salvador da Bahia in Brazil, facing post war economic
[2:15] pressures like wage cuts and unemployment, formed the Filios
[2:20] de X or Sons of X. They eventually evolved into an
[2:26] Afoche, which is a traditional Afro Brazilian musical
[2:30] procession and fraternal group that has become the largest in
[2:34] Salvador's Carnival circuit with over 10,000 members.
[2:38] So my question to you is name of the group, which is Filios de X?
[2:45] Who is X as in Sons of who? And let me just put it out
[2:48] there, it's not anarchy. Literally was going to answer
[2:51] that. OK, cool.
[2:55] This is in Brazil, right? Brazil, yes.
[2:59] You cannot just say Brazil, it has to be Brazil.
[3:01] Is that a Vengaboys reference? Which one?
[3:05] There's a song? Brazil.
[3:09] Yeah, that's a Vengaboys. Yeah, you are dating yourself so
[3:12] much. Dude, am I?
[3:14] Beard dates me. I don't have to say anything.
[3:16] People look at me, they're automatically.
[3:19] Your beard is the reason we have had people commenting and asking
[3:23] us for video episodes. Again, this one is going to be
[3:26] an audio one. Apologies to everybody's
[3:28] listening. But just to inform you, in case
[3:30] you're wondering, Vinit's beard is doing well.
[3:33] It is looking glorious as ever. But coming back to Brazil and
[3:36] Sons of Sons of I guess Sons of Christ sounds weird but I know
[3:44] big Catholic population there. Is it by any chance something to
[3:48] do with Catholicism? No, it's nothing to do with
[3:51] Catholicism. OK, I'm going to go sports
[3:53] because Brazil obviously sports and football, especially sons of
[3:57] Wait, which year was this? Is Pele relevant?
[4:00] No, this is nothing to do with Pele.
[4:01] OK. This is February 18th, 1949.
[4:06] Then Pele doesn't make sense. Yeah, 1949.
[4:09] Were this somehow inspired by Indian independence?
[4:13] Sons of Gandhi? That would be weird though.
[4:16] That is good. It is sons of Gandhi.
[4:19] Oh OK, yes, we lose the Gandhi. OK, so let me just put it all
[4:24] together. On February 18th, 1949, these
[4:27] mostly Afro Brazilian dock workers gathered under a tree in
[4:31] a poor neighborhood and proclaimed themselves sons of
[4:34] Gandhi to honour Mahatma Gandhi's nonviolent resistance
[4:38] shortly after his 1948 assassination.
[4:41] They adopted his principles to legitimize their protests for
[4:45] labour rights and government crackdowns on unions.
[4:48] This then evolved into a prominent carnival bloco
[4:52] promoting peace and Afro Brazilian culture.
[4:55] So today Filos de Gandhi spelled GANDHY is an Afoshi which is a
[5:02] traditional Afro Brazilian musical procession and fraternal
[5:06] group that has become the largest in Salvador de Bahia's
[5:09] carnival circuit with over 10,000 members.
[5:12] It promotes peace, non violence and racial equality, blending
[5:16] Mahatma Gandhi's philosophy with Yoruba condomble's rituals
[5:21] honoring deities like Okshala and Ogum.
[5:25] Participants wear all white robes, turbans, blue and white
[5:28] beads and apply lavender perfume.
[5:31] They avoid alcohol, weapons or mixing genders during parades.
[5:35] Nice. Yeah, There's also a female
[5:38] version of this which came out I think in the mid 70s, which was
[5:40] the Filia de Gandhi. Beautiful.
[5:42] I yeah, should have guessed that as my first guess, but that was
[5:46] a fun trivia. I like it.
[5:47] Yeah, I was about to give you a clue if you know the union
[5:50] protest and non violence but then you didn't need it ha.
[5:54] Ha, all right, perfect. Well, you were talking about a
[5:58] bunch of men, so I'm going to continue that and I'm going to
[6:01] move to North America and talk about a bunch of men there. 21st
[6:05] July 1976, there was a three day convention in a hotel in
[6:11] Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, which is in United States of
[6:14] America. More than 2000 attendees, mostly
[6:19] men, were at this convention. What name was derived from this
[6:25] convention, which was done to celebrate the 200th anniversary
[6:30] of the signing of Declaration of Independence, which happened in
[6:33] Philadelphia as well in 1776? What name came from this
[6:38] convention? What was named as a result of
[6:42] this convention? Let me get the fact straight on
[6:45] July 19th. July 21st, 1976.
[6:49] OK, July 21st 1976 there was a convention in Philadelphia to
[6:55] celebrate the 200 year anniversary of the signing of
[6:57] the Declaration of Independence and a name was derived from this
[7:03] convention. So this particular convention, I
[7:06] think happens regularly. I'm not sure if it's annual or
[7:09] what is the recurrence rate, but it happens regularly.
[7:12] This convention was chosen to happen On this date in this city
[7:17] because it was also the 200th anniversary of the signing of
[7:19] Declaration of Independence, which is the one of the most
[7:22] important documents in American history.
[7:23] Right? OK, that's what they were kind
[7:26] of honoring by choosing this date and the city.
[7:28] However, the convention itself didn't have anything to do with
[7:31] the Declaration of Independence per SE.
[7:34] Oh, OK, Because I was going to get something on on the lines of
[7:37] Hancock or Chili Accord or something, but it's not OK.
[7:42] Anything to do with the Liberty Bell or the Bicentennial Bell?
[7:45] No, let me give you 2 hints. OK, the first hint is very
[7:49] simple. The reason I mentioned the
[7:50] Declaration of Independence is because while it doesn't have
[7:52] anything to do with independence movement or, or politics very
[7:57] specifically, it does have to do with some sense of patriotism in
[8:02] America. This group, you could say very
[8:05] broadly symbolizes it in some way.
[8:08] And the other hint I'll give you is that what got its name from
[8:13] this convention is something you should know.
[8:19] Oh, I feel like he's got it. Yeah, I am.
[8:22] I'm just I'm. I can.
[8:24] Can you taste it at the tip of your tongue?
[8:28] Yes, yes, yes, yes. Legionnaires disease.
[8:31] This is Legionnaires. Disease.
[8:32] God Legionnaires convention. You got Legionnaires?
[8:34] So good, So good. Yes, perfect.
[8:37] Very well. Cracked.
[8:38] Very quickly cracked. But I didn't expect anything
[8:41] else, so you only met my expectations.
[8:45] It's appraising season, so I meet expectations.
[8:48] That is what we aim for, yeah. American Legion is an
[8:53] organization of American veterans which is headquartered
[8:56] in Indianapolis, IN. This particular organization
[8:59] meets once in a while and their convention in 1976 was held in
[9:03] Philadelphia 200 years after the signing of Declaration of
[9:06] Independence, which also happened in Philadelphia.
[9:08] Now, the reason I mentioned the Declaration of Independence was
[9:10] just to give you a hint that it is to do with American Veterans
[9:13] patriotism, service of the country, all that.
[9:16] But Legionnaires disease comes from the idea that this was
[9:19] American Legion. The people who are part of this
[9:22] group, are part of this organization, are Legionnaires.
[9:24] And three days after the convention ended, which is July
[9:28] 27th, the first Legionnaire was unfortunately found dead.
[9:32] He was only 61 years old, and he had died of an apparent heart
[9:35] attack. And soon thereafter, quite a few
[9:37] of them died, which when they did a little bit of a digging,
[9:40] they realized that they all had attended this particular
[9:43] convention and so they named it Legionnaires Disease.
[9:47] Here's what is also another interesting piece of trivia
[9:49] attached to this is that there have been as a lot of diseases
[9:53] have retrospective diagnosis of earlier outbreaks.
[9:57] So lesion has had outbreaks earlier diseases don't come into
[10:00] existence just when you name them.
[10:01] They exist before that and then you name them.
[10:04] So morbidly, funnily enough, there was a 1974 convention, and
[10:10] if they had diagnosed it, then this would not have been called
[10:13] Legionnaires disease. This would have been called an
[10:16] Odd Fellowship disease because that was the convention of
[10:20] Independent Order of Odd Fellows.
[10:23] That was, by the way, held at the very same hotel in
[10:26] Philadelphia. So I don't know why this was a
[10:27] hotbed of Legionnaires disease. But September 1974, two years
[10:31] before this particular outbreak, out of the 1500 members who
[10:35] attended that, 120 developed pneumonia and two died,
[10:39] unfortunately, and they didn't quite narrow it down back then,
[10:43] but this happened 1976 and sadly enough, few people died.
[10:47] But well, at least we found out disease and we were able to name
[10:50] it and workloads preventing it. So Legionnaires disease.
[10:54] For anybody who doesn't know Legionnaires disease, you know
[10:57] what? I'll let Vineet explain it.
[10:58] I am not the best person. OK, so Legionnaires diseases are
[11:02] kind of very severe pneumonia caused by the very imaginatively
[11:06] named Legionella bacteria. It's usually due to contaminated
[11:10] water sources where you inhale the bacteria through the kind of
[11:14] aerosolization of these water sources.
[11:16] So cooling towers, hot tubs, showers.
[11:20] So you basically have contaminated water which you
[11:22] just kind of inhalant. I think around 2 weeks later you
[11:25] get a fever, headache, aches. I think there's a milder version
[11:30] of it called Pontiac fever, which has fever and aches but
[11:34] without the pneumonia part. That happened because an
[11:37] outbreak of what was dubbed Pontiac fever occurred in a
[11:40] health department in Pontiac, MI in 1967.
[11:44] Nobody died from that, thankfully.
[11:46] This was caused by the same bacteria, but it's a milder
[11:49] ailment than lesion as disease. Yeah, no lung involvement.
[11:53] OK. Fantastic question as usual.
[11:56] There's nothing surprising about that.
[11:58] Which leads me to one of the other questions which I am
[12:02] hoping that you will crack because you have a way with
[12:05] words. I'm going to be talking about
[12:07] the name of a book. The book has 2 words.
[12:10] The first word is the one I'm looking for.
[12:12] The second word I will tell you. The book is called X SAB, as in
[12:18] Major SAB. That kind of SAB SAB Hindi usage
[12:21] of SAB was released in November 2022.
[12:26] The book's author, Major General Ian Cardoso, this war hero, got
[12:31] the nickname X. The book is named after him.
[12:35] He got the nickname X because, and tell me if this sounds
[12:39] familiar, the Gurkhas in his regiment could not pronounce his
[12:44] Goan name properly, so I want you to identify the nickname.
[12:50] Is it derivative of what you'd say his name was Ian Cardoso?
[12:54] Did they like change it slightly to so that it's easier for them
[12:57] to pronounce? Yeah.
[12:59] OK. The for those who may not have
[13:01] gotten the reference, the reason I said that seems familiar is
[13:03] because Sam Manik Shaw's nickname of Sam Bahadur was also
[13:07] given by the Gorkha Regiment because they found it difficult
[13:10] to. I think we call his name as
[13:12] Manik Shaw, so they called him Sam Bahadur after his bombastic
[13:17] bravery. Similarly, again, Kardos is a
[13:20] amazing guy in his own right. His nickname in the army was
[13:24] also derived because his Gorkha troops couldn't pronounce his
[13:27] Govan name. But unlike Sam Manic Shaw, which
[13:32] became Sam Bahadur in a lot of ways, aptly so.
[13:35] Yeah, this person's name is kind of related to his name, right?
[13:40] It is. It's very similar to, I mean
[13:41] like you can understand how they went from Cardozo to this.
[13:46] So think of something in the army or in the military, which,
[13:50] when you say, sounds very similar to Cardozo.
[13:54] Cantonment, but that's not similar enough.
[13:57] No, no, no, no. And if he's already using Major
[14:00] General, I don't think they'll use Captain no.
[14:03] No, no. Gun ammunition is called
[14:07] cartridge, right? Yes.
[14:08] So the cartridge is set of bullets, you know that.
[14:11] The packet of bullets, you know, slam into the gun and pouch
[14:13] Chicken. Yeah.
[14:15] Yeah. Oh man, that was such a great
[14:18] sound effect. I love it.
[14:20] You are close, but I would suggest that you think of.
[14:23] They wouldn't say cartridge, So what would they say?
[14:27] I think the Hindi version of this term was also derived from
[14:30] the English word patridge. This is just, I don't know,
[14:33] flashback of learning about 1857 revolt.
[14:36] It's Kartus. Yes, yes, he was called Kartusa.
[14:41] Cardoso Kartus. That makes sense.
[14:43] Yeah. Nice.
[14:44] Yeah. Yeah, so it's called Kartusa.
[14:45] Now. All this was frankly just to I
[14:48] find it criminal that apart from military enthusiasts, the
[14:50] general public, not many have heard of Ian Cardoso.
[14:54] Until now. Now.
[14:57] Now this episode of Are You Quizzing Me?
[14:58] Is going to help, No? No, I mean there are a lot of
[15:02] people obviously who know of them, but I think the general
[15:05] persons treat me not so. Ian Cardozo graduated from the
[15:08] National Defence Academy and then attended the Indian
[15:10] Military Academy from where he joined the five Gorkha Rifles,
[15:14] the frontier force. He was commissioned and later
[15:17] commanded the first battalion of the 5th Regiment of the Gorkha
[15:20] Rifles. He was the first NDA cadet to
[15:23] receive both gold and silver medals.
[15:26] The gold medal is given to the cadet for passing out for best
[15:29] all round performance, and the silver medal is given to the
[15:32] cadet who's first in Order of Merit.
[15:35] So the first time in the history of an NDA the cadet was given
[15:38] the gold, was also the order in the first in the Order of Merit
[15:41] and was given that. I think it happened only once
[15:44] after that so far. At the outbreak of the Pakistani
[15:47] Bangladeshi war, or basically the War of 1971, Cardozo was
[15:52] attending a course at the Defence Services Staff College
[15:55] in Wellington. His battalion, Gotha Rifles,
[15:58] were already deployed in the eastern theatre of the
[16:00] operations. The battalion second in command
[16:03] was killed in action and Cardozo was ordered to replace him.
[16:07] He arrived at his battalion in time to accompany them to the
[16:10] Indian Army's First Helly Born operation.
[16:14] After the fall of Dhaka, Cardoso stepped on a landmine.
[16:18] Oh wow. And his leg was critically
[16:21] injured. OK.
[16:23] Due to the non availability of morphin or pathogen, basically
[16:28] intense painkillers and absence of medics, his leg could not be
[16:33] amputated surgically. Oh my God, He.
[16:36] Subsequently used his cookery which is the Gorkha knife to
[16:41] amputate his own leg. Holy hell.
[16:45] Afterwards, his unit captured A Pakistani army surgeon, Major
[16:49] Muhammad Bashir, who then operated on Cardoso after his
[16:53] amputation. Cardoso had a wooden leg.
[16:56] Despite this, he maintained his physical fitness levels and beat
[17:00] a number of able bodied officers in battle physical fitness test.
[17:05] He then put his case to the Chief of the Army Staff at the
[17:09] time, General Tapeshwar Narayan Raina, who then asked Cardozo to
[17:13] accompany him to Ladakh. After observing that Carzoso
[17:17] could still walk in the mountain through snow and ice, General
[17:21] Raina allowed him to command a battalion.
[17:23] This is yeah. I don't think badass is a
[17:26] sufficient enough work. I honestly think it's a little
[17:29] rude of you to say this, given that two weeks ago I threw my
[17:32] back out by sneezing really hard.
[17:36] I don't know, I feel like this is a little pointed.
[17:39] It's just not fair for you to talk about this insane Superman
[17:43] of a person. Seriously what you're kidding
[17:47] me. He self amputated and then was
[17:50] out running or whatever, out physical activity, much more
[17:54] able bodied people and then also went on to lead a battalion
[17:57] because he was easily able to walk through the mountains of
[18:00] Kashmir. Jesus Christ.
[18:04] And here I'm not able to get out of bed on some days because I
[18:07] slept weird. Oh my God.
[18:10] Yeah. That is embarrassing.
[18:12] And that's why I am a podcast host.
[18:14] And that man, very rightly so as all the accolades in the world
[18:19] that he deserves and probably more.
[18:20] Yeah. Yeah, no, it's because of men
[18:23] like whom who stand on the wall that we are able to sleep at
[18:25] night. Couldn't have put it better.
[18:27] Thank you and gratitude to Kartus.
[18:30] Did you say Kartus Saab? Yes.
[18:32] Kartus Saab Well, all the gratitude to Kartus Saab for his
[18:36] amazing service to this country. Yeah.
[18:39] Well, Speaking of military actions, I'm going to take you
[18:42] to another military theatre that was perhaps the most well
[18:49] documented, had an outsized impact on pop culture, which is
[18:54] of course, the Vietnam War, right?
[18:55] So during the Vietnam War, the American forces were trying a
[18:59] bunch of tactics. And with every war comes
[19:02] innovation. Unfortunately so.
[19:04] And in this case, they were trying a specific thing called
[19:08] Project Popeye. Have you heard of Project
[19:10] Popeye? No, I've not heard of Project
[19:13] Popeye. OK, this had to do with a
[19:15] certain innovation, chemistry that had happened very recently.
[19:18] Project Popeye was trying to change weather in North Vietnam
[19:23] to impede the attack of the Viet Cong.
[19:28] Do you want to try to take a guess as to what Roject Oy was
[19:31] doing? Weather modification, right?
[19:34] Yes. Usually when you talk about
[19:37] weather modification, it involves cloud seeding.
[19:41] Dubai used cloud seeding a couple of years ago.
[19:44] China used cloud seeding to make sure that there wasn't rain
[19:48] during the Beijing Olympics. So they kind of preempted the
[19:52] rain. China is actually a pretty
[19:54] ardent user of cloud seeding. They fire rockets of silver
[19:58] iodide, which is what is a chemical that is used for.
[20:02] So they have done that and famously so.
[20:05] They did it before Beijing Olympics as well, just so that
[20:08] they could have a dry Olympics. People even question why London
[20:10] didn't do it because London had I think some rain.
[20:13] Same questions came up during Paris.
[20:14] But, well, nobody does it like China does so.
[20:17] No, I think I know why London didn't because the English if
[20:20] I'm not mistaken. I'm just going off memory here,
[20:23] but the English sometime in the mid 1950s or 60s they try an
[20:27] experiment and it led to some horrendous floods.
[20:31] There has been, people are still divided as to when those 1942
[20:36] floods. I think if I'm not wrong, quite
[20:37] a few people died, some 20-30 people died for getting the name
[20:40] of the county of the city. It starts with L anyway.
[20:42] So the number of people who died were tragically high.
[20:45] And people do associate it to cloud seeding that was happening
[20:49] at that point. They were doing experiments.
[20:51] But the science has not been settled quite so.
[20:55] But then once written twice shy. Yeah, true, true, true.
[20:58] So very well guessed it has to do with cloud seeding.
[21:02] They were trying to make the land mushy I guess so that we
[21:07] have conquered in advance. My question is very simple.
[21:09] OK, what was the slogan attached to this?
[21:13] What slogan was attached to Project Popeye?
[21:16] Project Popeye. So something to do with olive
[21:21] oil, no? I actually could not find, I was
[21:23] very curious as to why it's called Project Papay.
[21:25] OK, there was only one source which said that the rain that
[21:29] came out of it or, or the condensation that happens around
[21:32] silver iodide is sometimes called olive oil.
[21:34] Oh, I'm not sure why they would call it.
[21:36] I guess because the drizzle of olive oil.
[21:38] I don't know. I I didn't find the reason
[21:40] behind it. OK, did search for it quite a
[21:43] bit, but well, no, that's perhaps why the name Project
[21:46] Papay came. But I'm asking you what the
[21:47] slogan was that was unofficially attached to Project I.
[21:50] Need a clue, I have no clue what this is.
[21:52] OK, so this is a twist on a famous slogan that actually was
[21:57] a peace slogan, which I think was used primarily during
[22:00] Vietnam War. I don't know if it was there
[22:01] before that, but it was definitely used during the
[22:04] counterculture movement which surrounded Vietnam War.
[22:07] The hippies correct flower power, they said.
[22:11] It's a slogan, right? Make Love, not war.
[22:15] Very, very, very close. Obviously that's the original
[22:18] slogan. What twist on it did they make
[22:20] as a slogan for Project Papaya? Make rain, not war.
[22:23] I'll give to you it's make mud, not war.
[22:26] What? Where did?
[22:35] You get this. Make mud, not war.
[22:41] Its so the juxtaposition of the horror of the Vietnam War and
[22:46] somebody having fun like making these kind of slogans is just
[22:51] very catch 22, frankly speaking. Well, sorry, I just have to
[22:57] point this out. This is not quite related to the
[22:59] Project Papa, but there is a South Park episode called Make
[23:03] Love not Warcraft, which I also thought was a great part.
[23:08] OK, but coming back to this, the Indian connection to this, and
[23:11] this is not a question I'm going to ask, but just share as a
[23:14] piece of trivia. The Indian connection to this
[23:15] was back in the 50s or 60s, India was facing major droughts
[23:20] as had been common for a while, and the American government in a
[23:25] way to kind of balance out Pakistan and play up India a
[23:29] little bit as well. Well, of course they were
[23:31] supporting Pakistan, but to play up India a little bit, they
[23:33] tried to sell cloud seeding as a potential way to solve our
[23:38] drought and famine crisis. For I think a year or so, there
[23:42] was cloud seeding that was happening in Madhya Pradesh and
[23:45] that was one of the last times that cloud seeding happened on
[23:47] that scale in India till in 2025.
[23:52] Do you know when in 2025 cloud seeding was used in India?
[23:55] Delhi, the pollution. The number of articles which
[23:59] came out about Delhi wanted to cloud seed to get rains during
[24:04] the AQI crisis and it didn't quite work.
[24:08] The jury's still out how effective it was, but for most
[24:11] parts, more scientific minds agree that it didn't have any
[24:15] such intent. And anyways, it's not a solution
[24:17] to the problem. It's a very, very Band-Aid.
[24:20] If there was one tool, a very difficult problem.
[24:23] But anyways, so the Indian connection was that people were
[24:26] at that point using India almost as a testing ground for Project
[24:31] Papaya. But people say it also happened
[24:33] simultaneously. So if nothing else, it gave them
[24:35] data that would help them in Vietnam as well.
[24:37] And they did that for I think one season in Madhya Pradesh, in
[24:39] Uttar Pradesh, there was cloud seeding that was happening, if
[24:43] I'm not wrong, with Pakistan also came close to, well, having
[24:46] some heightened tension because they were also going to, they
[24:50] experiment in Punjab and they're worried that, oh, now India is
[24:53] going to steal our rain. We have had issues with water
[24:56] before. So they were worried about India
[24:57] stealing rain as well. So it all kind of ties to India
[25:02] somewhere. OK, that's a great, great, great
[25:06] piece of trivia, very great piece of trivia.
[25:08] And now because I am criminally behind on some of the questions
[25:12] that are sent in by our audience.
[25:14] Today's question is from Ayush, who's the prolific question set
[25:19] up for us. Ayush Dash, thank you for this
[25:21] question. So this is right up your alley
[25:24] kind of question as in it's a connect.
[25:27] I'm going to tell you a series of words.
[25:28] You have to tell me what the connect is.
[25:31] Brahma, Daiva, Harsha, Dandharva, Asura Baishacha,
[25:38] Rakshasa Rajapatya. I want you to connect these.
[25:43] There are quite a few. Brahma Asura Prajapata Rakshasa.
[25:48] Baishacha asura dandharva harsha daiva.
[25:53] Did you say this has some relevance to me?
[25:55] No, no, it's just a connect question, that's all.
[25:58] OK, just because it's a connect question.
[25:59] OK, OK. I was like, the religion isn't
[26:02] exactly my strong suit but fine. It kind of goes the gamut of
[26:09] Indian mythology, like from one of the most important gods of
[26:13] Brahma all the way to the Asuras and the Rakshasas as well.
[26:17] Brahma led me to Brahmos, but I don't think there are any
[26:21] military. No, no, no, you're cold.
[26:23] You're cold. This is very religion related.
[26:27] So definitely not my of tea, but OK, let me give it a shot.
[26:32] I will give you a clue. Please.
[26:34] So these are all types of something.
[26:38] OK, now I figured that. Because there is one in that
[26:41] that might immediately give away the answer if you just think
[26:45] about it. I'll tell you the list again,
[26:46] pay attention and then think of types of something.
[26:49] Before that, is it an exhaustive list?
[26:51] It is. OK, hit me at the list again.
[26:53] Remember, these are all types of something, so one of these
[26:56] should probably be very familiar to you.
[26:58] At least you may have heard of it because it's so Brahma daiva
[27:03] arsha gandharva asura baishacha rakshasa prachapatiya.
[27:11] You did stress thankfully son Kandharva.
[27:14] I did. I maybe I am just fooling you.
[27:17] Clearly I am so poor at this that Gandharva didn't ring any
[27:20] bells as such. Exhaustive list.
[27:24] Also, just one last time, can you tell me the number that it
[27:26] is because I didn't quite count it. 8.
[27:30] Upanishads like, I don't know, I'm quite lost now.
[27:34] No, no, they're all types of something.
[27:36] Something that's very common. This is I think a classification
[27:40] style thing that has been done. I'm wondering what could have
[27:43] both Brahma and Rakshasa's in it.
[27:46] Like I said, they're all types of something, like Brahma
[27:50] something, Daiva something, Gandharva something, and that
[27:53] something is the same for all of them.
[27:55] So they're all types of something.
[27:58] Brahma. Something Brahma.
[28:02] OK, I'm going to give you another clue.
[28:03] Think 2006 Suraj Bhargyatiya film.
[28:08] Brahma Viva. Yes.
[28:10] OK, what is Brahma Viva? These are the eight types of
[28:15] marriages mentioned in Hindus. OK, what is the difference
[28:18] between these Rakshasa Viva? What is the Rakshasa Viva?
[28:21] Yes. OK, so these are the eight types
[28:24] of marriages of Viva in the Hindu Dharma Shastras.
[28:27] Ancient texts like the Manuswati, Narada and others
[28:30] classify Brahma, Deva, Arsha, Gandharva, Asura, Paisacha,
[28:34] Rakshasa and Prajapatya as the Ashta vivaha or the eight types
[28:39] of vivah. So there are four approved and
[28:43] four condemned forms of marriages.
[28:45] So the four condemned ones are Asura, Gandharva, Rakshasa,
[28:49] Paisacha and they are often sinful, varying legitimacy by
[28:53] caste. The approved ones are Brahma
[28:56] Daiva, Arsha, Prajapatiya producing legitimate offspring
[29:00] and it you know it redeems your ancestors and what not.
[29:03] So what are the different types? The Brahma Viva?
[29:06] The father decks the brides and ornaments and voluntarily hands
[29:09] her to a learned ritually pure groom like a Vedic sacrifice.
[29:14] This is the best form. In Daiva Vivaha, the father
[29:17] gives the adult daughter to a priest officiating at his
[29:20] sacrifice. Harsha Vivaha, the groom gives
[29:24] the bride's father a cow and bull as bride price and in
[29:30] Prajapatiya, the father silently gives the daughter to groom for
[29:34] joint householder duties without saying anything.
[29:38] Like not even a single word. Not even like a.
[29:41] Apparently not. How many people from your side
[29:44] are attending the wedding? No, nothing bad OK The condemned
[29:50] versions asura Vivaha where the groom disregarding purity gives
[29:55] wealth as much as he can to the bride skin and receives.
[29:59] Her. Gandharva Vivaha, which is the
[30:02] consensual union of the maiden and the suitor, mutually
[30:06] willing, without rituals or family.
[30:09] OK. That sounds the most acceptable
[30:14] modern in today's world. Let's just say modern Rakshasa.
[30:18] The groom seizes the bride by force after killing or
[30:22] overpowering her kills. Yeah, let's, I'm going to go out
[30:25] on the limb and say no, I'm not. Don't do that.
[30:27] Yeah. Yeah, by Shacha.
[30:29] The groom secretly has intercourse with the maiden,
[30:33] overcome by sleep, liquor or drugs.
[30:37] Yikes. It's very poor choices across
[30:40] the board. I don't know why there aren't
[30:42] the most palatable of choice, but OK, fine, sure.
[30:44] So only the Brahma Vivah persists today.
[30:47] Others have been phased out due to ethics and other things like
[30:49] that. Also, just for, I don't think
[30:52] this should be clarified, but in case it does purely academic
[30:56] exercise, we definitely don't endorse views on on casteism and
[31:01] anything to do with the violence and non consensual and dowry.
[31:05] Like there's just a bunch of very dark things also in it.
[31:09] So there's a purely academic thing.
[31:11] And this is a study of mythology and, and whatever is in the
[31:14] scriptures. And yeah, from a information and
[31:17] knowledge perspective. Thank you for sharing.
[31:19] It was pretty cool. Yeah, and thank you.
[31:21] I wish who gave us the question. As usual, he sent us very very,
[31:26] very good questions. Help me with your.
[31:28] Question. OK, this question is asked for
[31:31] purely the payoff of it at the end when I reveal the additional
[31:36] information. OK, because you're talking about
[31:39] something dark. We're going to talk about
[31:41] something which leads to, or it connects to something dark,
[31:44] right? What English proverb starting
[31:47] from the 16th century has been in use in varying levels of of
[31:52] frequency? Prominently used or was
[31:55] significantly used in Ayn Rand's 1957 novel Atlas Shrugged, but
[32:01] perhaps most importantly in the 90s led to the conviction of a
[32:08] criminal. Which English phrase am I
[32:13] Speaking of? English phrase from the 1600s,
[32:18] seen very prominently in Andrand's Atlas Shrugged, led to
[32:23] the conviction of a criminal in the 90s.
[32:25] I only mentioned Atlas truck because it is one of the more
[32:28] popular pieces of literature which has used it.
[32:30] It has been used in multiple other things as well.
[32:32] Obviously, it is a common enough phrase and more importantly, I
[32:36] don't think Atlas truck is known for this phrase.
[32:38] OK, It's not like if you ask somebody or what is the most
[32:41] popular phrase, Atlas truck, they'll mention this.
[32:43] But I mentioned Atlas Truck because it is a very popular
[32:46] piece of literature. So what's the phrase that's?
[32:49] Your question exactly. The bigger hint is the 90s
[32:53] conviction of a criminal. There is a phrase that is in
[32:58] hindrance. Just trying to remember that.
[33:01] It's a very weird one. This isn't very weird.
[33:04] This is a common enough one that is used in other contexts as
[33:08] well, and is not the only one who's used it by any means.
[33:11] OK, OK. Nothing to do with collectivism
[33:15] and defiance against that or anything.
[33:16] Nothing to do with the Well, yeah, not her political
[33:20] philosophies and whatever. Not.
[33:22] OK, so then I'm lost. You'd have to give me a clue.
[33:25] This person was a murderer, had murdered three people, the 1990s
[33:31] conviction that I'm talking about had been a murderer and
[33:35] had injured multiple other people, had murdered 3 people,
[33:38] and had been active for almost 2 three decades before his capture
[33:44] and conviction. When was BTK captured and
[33:48] convicted? BTK was BTK Oh you don't know BT
[33:52] KB TK the BTK killer. BTK stands for buying torture
[33:57] kill. She was active for a long time
[33:59] and then he disappeared, became a family man and then the
[34:04] police. They were on a cold case and
[34:06] they kind of made, I don't remember exactly what they did,
[34:08] but they kind of tricked him into coming out of in retirement
[34:12] and then he got caught. Oh wow, OK I just googled it.
[34:14] I had not heard of this person and he looks very disturbingly
[34:19] similar to Walter White and Breaking Bad.
[34:22] Yeah, OK. He was active between 1974 and
[34:24] 1991 and 2004. After the 13 year hiatus, he
[34:28] resumed sending his letters. His name was Dennis Rader.
[34:32] Dennis Rader. Yeah, yeah.
[34:33] He was identified arrested in 2005 S, not in the 90s.
[34:36] OK, I don't know man. I you'll have to give me some
[34:40] kind of context to look here. Like throughout Atlas Truck,
[34:44] there is that question now who is what is his name?
[34:47] John Galt Who is John Galt Galt Galt.
[34:49] Yeah. Who is John Galt?
[34:51] Galt. Yeah, I think it's called John
[34:52] Galt. It's not that right?
[34:54] No, no, no, no. It is, like I said, it's it.
[34:56] And also it's been around since like the 16th century.
[34:59] So no, much much more common than that.
[35:01] OK, OK, Simon. Says no.
[35:04] OK, I'll give you one hint. As I mentioned in the 90s, this
[35:07] person was appended and convicted in the 1996
[35:13] presidential election in America.
[35:15] There was a campaign to get this particular person elected to
[35:18] president through write in votes.
[35:21] There was an actual campaign. There was a campaign in the 1996
[35:26] U.S. President election to get a
[35:28] criminal elected. Yes, my write in votes.
[35:32] Yeah. 96 would be Clinton, right?
[35:37] Clintons election. So this doesn't have anything to
[35:40] do with the actual contenders for the election.
[35:42] There were people are just like, hey, how about this criminal?
[35:45] Let's make him the president. And there was quite a little bit
[35:48] of a movement. Wait, is this Ted Kaczynski?
[35:50] Very well done. Yes, This is Ted Kaczynski.
[35:53] Yeah, Ted Kaczynski, also known as.
[35:55] Unabomber the Unabomber. Just in case somebody doesn't
[35:57] know Unabomber, a very famous case, a very smart, prodigious
[36:01] math genius that he was also known to be a domestic
[36:05] terrorist. He.
[36:06] Was an anti technology fellow. He abandoned his academic career
[36:09] in 1969 to pursue a very reclusive lifestyle and then
[36:14] started doing this lone wolf terrorism kind of thing.
[36:17] Over the course of almost 30 years, he murdered three people,
[36:20] injured 23 people in a nationwide mail bombing
[36:24] campaign. The reason he's called the
[36:25] Unibomber is because the FBI had a file on him called UN A/B, OM
[36:31] University and airline bombing, and they started using that
[36:35] almost as a stand in for him. Unibomber before his identity
[36:38] was known. So it was for the longest time
[36:41] this, this unknown person who was terrorizing people.
[36:43] There's a very good TV show also which deals with that manhunt I
[36:47] think it's called. Quite, quite a few.
[36:48] Manhunt is one of them. OK, great.
[36:50] Now here's the beautiful part of it.
[36:52] You still haven't told me about the phrases.
[36:54] What was the phrase that was identified in Ted Kasinski's
[36:58] writings, which is an English proverb and one of the ways?
[37:01] Because like I mentioned, he had not been identified for the
[37:04] longest time and he probably would have gone completely
[37:07] unidentified except for the fact that he had put out these
[37:10] manifestos, which are anti technology.
[37:13] And in his manifesto, his brother recognized his writing
[37:17] was his brother also obviously didn't know that Ted Kaczynski
[37:20] was the Unabomber. So he read through Unabombers
[37:22] writings and he's like, you know what, this sounds a little bit
[37:25] like Ted, my brother. So he went to the cops and he
[37:29] revealed this information to them.
[37:30] They did a little bit of digging and they're like, you know what,
[37:32] this makes sense. And that's when he was
[37:34] apprehended and eventually convicted so in 1996 because of
[37:39] this phrase, amongst other things.
[37:40] But this specific phrase was one of the reasons that Ted Kosinski
[37:44] was captured. Do you know what phrase it was?
[37:45] This is there in that show, the manhunt, the phrase that God Ted
[37:50] Kosinski identified by his brother.
[37:52] I'm trying to remember the show right now.
[37:55] I'm just trying to remember the show.
[37:57] And let me just clarify something because you mentioned
[37:59] that and I don't want that to be any mistake, Aditya said.
[38:02] Mail bomber, it means that he sent bombs through the mail, not
[38:06] that he sent bombs to male people.
[38:10] I just wanted to put that in he. Was also a man, so he was a male
[38:13] bomber also, but yeah. OK, I don't know, man.
[38:20] I really don't. I can't remember because I've
[38:21] seen the show and I remember that there is a phrase that they
[38:24] were talking about but I cannot remember what it is.
[38:26] Well, let's go across the pond to the UK and there is an
[38:30] expression which is a derivative of this phrase and this
[38:33] expression. There's a noun and an adjective.
[38:35] Both have been accepted into English dictionaries and it is
[38:38] used in olitical journalism where they try to imply that
[38:44] people might want an outcome but also not want to face the
[38:48] consequences for it, especially in relation to Brexit, right?
[38:52] Where people are like, hey, you know what, we don't want to be
[38:53] involved with the Europe and we want our own thing.
[38:56] But also all the negative consequences that come with the
[38:58] Brexit that that UK has been kind of, you know, stuck in a
[39:02] quagmire for a while. Have your cake and eat it too.
[39:05] Perfect, yes. So let's tie it all up together.
[39:09] The British English thing is cakism or cakist, so the idea
[39:13] that you want to have have your desirable outcome but completely
[39:18] avoid the unnecessary or the inconvenient outcomes of it.
[39:22] Brexit very commonly is the example cited in that.
[39:25] OK, now here I have to tell you where I found this piece of
[39:30] trivia and why I included it. That beautiful, beautiful thing
[39:33] called Tumblr had this post by a person.
[39:36] Saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too is not the
[39:41] best way to phrase it. Right, because I can't have my
[39:43] cake and then I can eat it. What's wrong with that?
[39:45] That phrase doesn't make sense. What the phrase is trying to
[39:48] imply is that once you have eaten the cake, you can't still
[39:52] have it. So the idea being that maybe the
[39:56] better way to phrase it would be you can't eat your cake and have
[40:00] it too. Yeah, if you flip it around,
[40:03] that would be the better way to phrase it.
[40:04] And yet that's not how people phrase it.
[40:06] Except. I guess who used to do it?
[40:08] Ted Kaczynski. Yeah, I remember.
[40:11] Ted Kaczynski used to use the phrase and in his writing
[40:15] specifically, and I quote, As for the negative consequences of
[40:18] eliminating industrial society, well, you can't eat your cake
[40:22] and have it too. And that's the end of the court.
[40:25] So he switched it around, and that's what his brother read.
[40:28] And he's like, yeah, you know what?
[40:29] Normal people don't talk like this, but Ted does.
[40:31] And the FBI linguist found it. And here's what the Tumblr post
[40:36] just this is when I love the Internet and they're like, you
[40:39] know what? You can't have your own unique
[40:41] way of writing and still want to remain anonymous.
[40:45] You can't have your cake and eat it too.
[40:49] Oh, that irony on so many levels.
[40:54] Yes, that was so beautiful. I love it.
[40:56] Anyway, so this is the phrase. This is what got Ted Kaczynski
[40:59] captured. You can't have your cake and eat
[41:02] it too. Or, as you would have said, you
[41:04] can't eat your cake and have it too.
[41:06] And Iron Rand also had this in her novel At the Shrugged.
[41:11] OK, very nice, very nice. Let me stick with the British
[41:16] Isles and talk about something which has consequences even in
[41:21] India. Have I got to intrigued?
[41:24] Always. John Kinnear and his assistant
[41:29] Margaret Calvert designed something which came into use in
[41:33] the UK in 1963. It is still in use in the UK and
[41:39] many other countries, including but not limited to Hong Kong,
[41:44] Iceland, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Denmark, at least
[41:47] Spain, India, parts of Southeast Asia and much of the Middle
[41:51] East. You can see it in parts of India
[41:54] every single day as long as you go outside and travel by Rd.
[41:59] What am I talking about? What did Jock Kinnear and his
[42:03] assistant Margaret Calvert design?
[42:06] Actually, even before you mentioned go outside and and use
[42:10] the roads. And my first thought was
[42:12] something to do with driving because UK, you mentioned Hong
[42:16] Kong, you mentioned parts of Southeast Asia, a bunch of these
[42:20] were British colonies, India also, obviously.
[42:23] Yep, Yep. So I was wondering if it had
[42:25] something to do with driving. The most common difference
[42:29] between Commonwealth countries and the other countries is the
[42:33] side of the road, when I'm pretty sure Greece doesn't abide
[42:36] by the British way of doing things.
[42:41] So it isn't that this has to be some sort of an innovation in
[42:48] car design, but because it is not universal.
[42:51] So it can be something like an indicator, it can be, I don't
[42:54] know, brake lights, headlights, reverse lights, none of that.
[42:57] Those are in every country, everywhere.
[42:59] I'm assuming this has to do with some sort of a sign, some Rd.
[43:02] sign that is only common to these countries, but not to the
[43:06] rest of the world. OK.
[43:09] I'm just going to get all right, cool, some Rd. sign.
[43:13] You're warm. You're very warm.
[43:14] Reminds me of trivia where I was asking you about the hexagon
[43:17] shape and the importance of the number of sides.
[43:21] But that also takes me to the fact that most signs are very
[43:23] universal in nature, so this is very specifically these
[43:28] countries. No, I said it's not limited to
[43:30] this country. I mentioned a big list, but it's
[43:32] not limited to this country. But it's not universal, right?
[43:36] I'm assuming because you mentioned a list.
[43:38] It's not universal, but it's still used.
[43:40] Like I mentioned parts of Southeast Asia, Indonesia uses
[43:44] it variably, Malaysia, Singapore specifically only for some, but
[43:50] in India it's much more common. Can't be a milestone like that.
[43:54] Probably has a much older history.
[43:56] You are very very close, but I'm looking for a very specific
[43:59] answer because I just can't give it to you if you just see me as
[44:02] generic answer. So I'm looking for a slightly
[44:03] more. Specific answer, Is it some
[44:06] design aspect to it? Is it like a color or design
[44:09] you're? Very, very close.
[44:10] But I need you to specifically pick out the thing that I'm
[44:13] looking at. You've lived in the Middle East?
[44:15] Sure. You've lived in India.
[44:18] I have. If you're going to be talking
[44:19] about what you see on the roads, something that subconsciously is
[44:24] uniform, but you do not pick up on it, most people don't pick up
[44:28] on it. I pick up on it you.
[44:31] Probably wouldn't. That's judgmental.
[44:34] Why wouldn't I pick up on it? No, no, no.
[44:36] There's a very specific reason for that.
[44:38] Is it something that is more in Kerala than it would be in
[44:41] Maharashtra? No, no, no, no, no.
[44:42] Nothing like that. OK.
[44:44] So is it something that doctors pick up on it?
[44:46] And no. No, not doctors.
[44:47] I specifically because I have a specific set of hobbies.
[44:51] Is it something that only ambigram is pick up on but non
[44:54] ambigram is don't? Possible.
[44:56] Possible Who? Who?
[44:57] That's the reason I picked up on it.
[44:59] What? Because ambigrams are a very
[45:01] type of something else, right? Something symmetrical is there?
[45:04] Is there something symmetrical about this?
[45:06] No. No, no, no.
[45:07] Ambigrams basically are an offshoot of typography, right?
[45:10] So what could this be? Some typeface, some font, some
[45:14] something like that? Yes.
[45:15] Thank you. It's called Transport.
[45:18] Oh, there's a font called Transport.
[45:21] The font is called Transport. It is the typeface used on road
[45:24] signs. Jock Kinnear and Margaret
[45:28] Calvert designed the Transport typeface for British roads,
[45:32] which came into use in 1963, with motorway trials from 1958
[45:37] and full all-purpose Rd. implementation by 1965.
[45:42] Their work began in 1957 for motorways like the Preston
[45:45] Bypass and expanded to all UK roads, becoming law on January
[45:49] 1st, 1965. The system uses a custom sans
[45:53] serif transport font refined from Accident's Grotesque, which
[45:58] is also a type of typeface. Mixed case for legibility and
[46:01] standardized shapes. Triangles for warning, circles
[46:04] for regulations, rectangles for info.
[46:05] Vagera. It remains the standard in the
[46:08] UK today with minor updates. The transport typeface
[46:12] influences Rd. signs in many countries.
[46:15] Hong Kong, Iceland, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, which uses
[46:18] directly, Denmark which uses a derived version.
[46:21] Italy and Spain use bolder variants called Alphabeto,
[46:25] normal and Carretera. Conventional India and much of
[46:30] the Middle East like Iran, Kuwait, Oman, UAE.
[46:33] India officially uses transport alongside aerial for Rd. signs,
[46:39] visible daily on highways and urban roads.
[46:42] Parts of Southeast Asia also use it, Indonesia on variable signs,
[46:46] Malaysia and Singapore on parking sites.
[46:49] Wow. OK, very interesting.
[46:51] So this is the font that you see on the road on those greenback
[46:55] boards that you see on the side of the road.
[46:57] It's called Transport and it's the same font you would see if
[47:00] you went to the Middle East up to any of the other countries
[47:02] that I mentioned. I have to give it to you the
[47:04] fact that I would never have noticed the fact that the font
[47:08] is. Well, now that you say it, it's
[47:09] so obvious that the font is the same.
[47:11] Interesting piece of trivia. Love that.
[47:13] Nice. Nice.
[47:13] OK, so that was my last question for this week.
[47:15] What is your last question? Aditya?
[47:18] Please don't ask me any pun related questions.
[47:22] I want to be able to answer at least one in this episode.
[47:25] Hey, you answered Legionnaires disease.
[47:27] Yeah, Legionnaires, yeah, but then that also because of there
[47:30] was a giveaway clue. Alright, so I think it's
[47:33] something that is up your alley. And while this is a list, the
[47:37] list is not the main function of the question.
[47:40] OK, this has to do with a famous author and his works.
[47:45] And I'll tell you what this author did and I'll give you a
[47:48] list in regards to that. Tell me who the author is.
[47:51] It's as simple as that. OK, Quoting him when he says I
[47:55] have graded my separate works from A to D.
[47:58] The grades I hand out to myself do not place me in literary
[48:01] history. I'm comparing myself with
[48:04] myself. Thus, can I give myself an A
[48:07] plus for Dash? I'm not telling you the famous
[48:10] work because it would give you the answer immediately.
[48:13] Thus, can I give myself an A plus for Dash?
[48:16] Why? Knowing that there was a writer
[48:18] named William Shakespeare? The report card is
[48:21] chronological, so you can plot my rise and fall on graph paper
[48:25] if you like. And here goes the list.
[48:28] BAAA plus A, A + B -, D CCDAC. OK, so these are his works.
[48:41] These are the grades that he has given himself.
[48:43] Firstly, do you know which author created himself?
[48:45] That would be an easy crack right now if you do.
[48:47] If not, I'll start giving you some of the examples on the
[48:49] list. No examples.
[48:51] Please. OK cool.
[48:53] So I started the D's, the ones that he thought were the worst
[48:56] right? There are two D's on the list.
[48:57] First one is Happy Birthday Wanda June and the second one is
[49:02] slapstick. These are novels, you're saying?
[49:05] Yeah. Slapstick sounds vaguely
[49:10] familiar, is this Vonnegut? Oh, what?
[49:15] So good. So so good.
[49:19] The Wanda June and slapstick somewhere.
[49:22] It was like I was very doubtful. Oh man.
[49:25] I'm guessing slaughterhouses A+. Cats gradually gave an A+ as
[49:29] well, and slaughter is five. We gave an A+.
[49:32] OK, OK. Very nicely done.
[49:34] Oh my God, You know what? You didn't even let me get to
[49:36] the fun part of the hint. I was going to give you a hint
[49:39] as to the etymology of his name. OK, the etymology of Vonnegut.
[49:44] Well, Kurt, I don't know what that is, but he has Vonnegut.
[49:47] That's a German name. What is the etymology of
[49:49] Vonnegut? OK, you know what?
[49:52] A lot of people have accused us of knowing the answers
[49:55] beforehand. So in this case, let's pretend,
[49:57] OK? You already know the answers,
[49:58] Vonnegut. I'm going to ask you another
[50:00] trivia question. That's what the answer is,
[50:01] Vonnegut. OK.
[50:02] OK. Tell me which author gets his
[50:06] family name from his ancestors at some point living alongside
[50:12] or having an estate alongside a river in Germany?
[50:17] And that was modified later 'cause it sounded a little funny
[50:22] or a little medically inconvenient, so it was changed
[50:26] to whatever the name we know it as today.
[50:28] Obviously the answer is one attack.
[50:30] Oh my God, we need wow. Wow, so brilliant.
[50:33] The actors know these things. I drink and I know things.
[50:38] So I'm guessing the river in Germany is a very tough thing to
[50:40] get. Yeah.
[50:41] Engle, Engle. I don't know man, my German
[50:44] sucks, but ENGIT basically means having an estate alongside of
[50:49] OK, in German that is what it means.
[50:51] So the name of the river was something and Engate Engate,
[50:54] whatever it however pronounced it was having an estate.
[50:58] OK. So Dash River Engate, and that
[51:02] was the last name that came down from the ancestry because they
[51:05] had an estate along this river. Eventually they changed the name
[51:08] because the name of the river plus Engut sounded a little like
[51:15] an embarrassing funny thing. Chalked and guts.
[51:18] No what? No.
[51:19] Well, a little less juvenile, but very close.
[51:23] Let's say if you had an upset stomach, what is another word
[51:26] you might use for that? Diarrhea engit much closer to
[51:32] Vonnegut. The runs no.
[51:35] I don't know if it's a very common phrase, but OK, I'll give
[51:37] it to you. It's a funny gut.
[51:39] Oh, OK, My gut is feeling funny. OK, so the river in Germany is
[51:44] Fune Fune FUNNE&N Gut, which would mean that they had an
[51:49] estate near it. So the original name was Fune
[51:52] Gut, which in English became Funny Gut.
[51:56] Or when you would spell it out, it sounded Funny Gut.
[51:59] So they changed it to Vonnegut at some point.
[52:02] That's what Kurt Vonnegut gets his last name because he didn't
[52:06] want to be or somebody in his family didn't called Funny Gut
[52:10] even though they came from a river.
[52:12] Finney. Finney, I don't know.
[52:14] Please don't unsubscribe our German listeners.
[52:17] We are sorry. The multitudes of German
[52:19] listeners who tune into It's true.
[52:21] Yeah. OK, so I think that's all the
[52:24] time we have for our regular round of quizzing.
[52:26] Let's go back to the audience question, which I'm fairly sure
[52:29] Aditya will crack in two seconds flat.
[52:32] So the question was new. More Island, alternatively
[52:35] called S Talpati or Purbasha Island in the Sunderburn's delta
[52:39] region, sparked A territorial disagreement between India and
[52:43] Bangladesh. First spotted in 1974 via US
[52:47] satellite imagery, it expanded significantly from sediment
[52:50] buildup due to river floods. Both countries asserted
[52:54] ownership without resolution until 2010, when the issue
[52:57] dramatically resolved itself. So what happened?
[53:01] Any ideas as to what happened to dramatically resolve this?
[53:06] When was it resolved 2010 and when was this thing an issue
[53:10] back in? It was discovered in 1970 and
[53:12] since then it's been a kind of issue.
[53:15] There was no flooding as such in 2010, was there?
[53:18] No, no, don't focus on the year. Just think of how could this
[53:20] situation have dramatically resolved itself?
[53:22] I'm assuming that it just went under I guess or something like
[53:25] that. Very good.
[53:26] It sank. It got washed away.
[53:28] OK. Oh, OK.
[53:29] I thought there would be like a dramatic flood or something
[53:31] happened. OK, OK.
[53:32] Just got washed. Away.
[53:33] No, no, not that dramatic. So basically this island or it's
[53:36] a small uninhabited offshore sandbar island in the Bay of
[53:41] Bengal off the coast of the Ganges Brahmaputra Delta region.
[53:44] It emerged in the Bay of Bengal in the aftermath of the Bola
[53:47] cyclone in November 1970. Although the island was
[53:50] uninhabited and there were no permanent settlements or
[53:53] stations located on it, both India and Bangladesh claimed
[53:56] sovereignty because of speculation over the existence
[54:00] of oil and natural gas in the region.
[54:02] In March 2010, Sugata Hasra of the School of Oceanographic
[54:06] Studies at Jadavpur University, Kolkata, said that the island
[54:10] had disappeared and that sea level rise caused by climate
[54:13] change was a factor. He said that the sea level rise,
[54:16] changes in monsoon rain patterns which altered river flows and
[54:20] land subsidence were all contributing to the inundation
[54:23] of land in the northern Bay of Bengal.
[54:25] Asura said that other islands in the Indians of the world regions
[54:28] are also eroding very fast. So this territorial dispute of
[54:32] an island that did not exist prior to 1970 was dramatically
[54:35] dissolved by the island deciding to UN alive itself.
[54:40] To Titanic itself. To Titanic itself?
[54:43] Yeah. To piss Mark itself?
[54:45] I think that's a little more deep cut.
[54:47] Reference to Atlantis itself. OK, I'm going to stop.
[54:51] Yeah, yeah. OK.
[54:52] Take care. That's the end of all our
[54:54] regular rounds of quizzing, and we have to now go to the pop
[54:59] culture recommendation. Is it?
[55:01] I'm tempted to give you a nickname.
[55:04] We had a recent episode where Aditya went all deep divey
[55:08] beautiful mind into Sesame Street.
[55:12] And there is a famous character in Sesame Street called Oscar
[55:17] the Grouch. Why am IA grouch?
[55:20] No, no, you're not a grouch. Let me get to it.
[55:23] So I'm tempted to give Aditya the nickname Oscar the Snob
[55:27] because he is so much into Oscars and very snobby about.
[55:31] It for some reason. All very fancy, fancy films.
[55:34] Even that other movie last year which made no sense.
[55:37] Amelia Perez. Amelia Perez.
[55:39] You said you didn't like Emilia Perez.
[55:41] Yeah, I've not seen Emilia Perez even till date.
[55:44] OK. OK, well, it's still on my list,
[55:46] so. And it did win an Oscar for Zoe
[55:49] Salana, so I'll watch it at some point and be snobby about it.
[55:52] But anyways, coming back to this, my Oscar snobbery has
[55:55] begun. Indeed, it actually began last
[55:57] year with One Battle After Another and Sinners.
[56:01] I don't think I am an Oscar snob for loving those films because
[56:03] those are two very good films. Yes, I am currently placing my
[56:07] bets on One Battle After Another being the Best Picture winner
[56:11] and I was quite convinced that DiCaprio has a very strong shot
[56:16] at winning Best Actor till I saw the next movie and that is Marty
[56:21] Supreme. Oh.
[56:22] OK. Yeah, Oh my God.
[56:25] Timothy Chalamet. Man is demented, demented
[56:30] performance such. A good performance.
[56:31] And here's the deal, Right? Like, I have always wondered,
[56:34] when you look at a great performance, I'm like, I wonder
[56:37] how this actor brought this to life.
[56:39] And in this particular case, I have no idea because I can
[56:42] imagine on paper, this is such an annoying character.
[56:46] Yeah, by all definitions, Marty Supreme has played by Timothy.
[56:48] Shalami is annoying, but somehow you still root for him, you
[56:52] still care for him, you still, you know, you know, empathizing
[56:55] with him at some level while you're also disgusted and
[56:57] annoyed at his his misadventures with the same guy who made Uncut
[57:02] Gems. And it's a very similar vibe for
[57:05] whoever it plans on watching it. If you have seen Uncut Gems,
[57:08] there's that sense of dread and anxiety inside of you and Uncut
[57:12] Gems throughout the film, and this movie gives you that exact
[57:15] same feeling. So go into this movie knowing
[57:18] fully well that you will be just just feeling a little bit of a
[57:22] funny gut and you will, however, come out appreciating the movie.
[57:28] And definitely Timothy Chalamet, who I think is now my front
[57:32] runner for Best actor. I'm going to watch a few more
[57:34] films. I'm going to watch some of the
[57:36] other nominees. So let's see if I change my
[57:38] mind. But I will not because I gave
[57:41] Marty Supreme and that's an Oscar nomination.
[57:42] And maybe people are watching Oscar films will anyways, go
[57:45] watch it. I'll give something which is not
[57:46] an Oscar nomination. And this is an old Hindi film,
[57:49] Golmal. I watched Golmal.
[57:51] I'm surprised I'd never seen Golmal.
[57:53] This stars Amol Palekar, and this is directed by Rishikesh
[57:58] Mukherjee. In a very interesting anecdote,
[58:01] Rishikesh Mukherjee speaks of how he would never read out his
[58:05] entire scripts to his actors and Amol Palekar was not very keen
[58:08] on working with the director who wouldn't do it.
[58:10] So he went over knowing fully well he's going to say no, but
[58:12] he didn't want to offend the director.
[58:14] One of the greatest directors of Hindi cinema.
[58:16] And then he ended up narrating that script to him and he's
[58:19] like, oh, but I heard that you don't narrate it to other
[58:21] people. Like nobody else has shown
[58:23] interest. So I didn't want to narrate it
[58:24] to them. You showed interest.
[58:25] They ended up working on five films after that together and
[58:28] some very good films. So great song, such a nice feel
[58:31] good film. I came out of it feeling great.
[58:33] So go watch Golmaal and watch Marty Supreme.
[58:37] So I would also recommend Marty Supreme as well as Sinners, both
[58:42] very, very good films. I am also going to recommend
[58:45] something out of the usual menu of movies that I watch, which is
[58:50] a Netflix film, very heartwarming film that I really
[58:53] enjoyed. It's an Indonesian film.
[58:56] I don't know the exact name in Indonesian, but the English
[59:00] translation of that film is a brother and seven siblings.
[59:04] I really, really enjoyed the movie.
[59:07] It's a very sweet film and I I needs more love.
[59:12] I frankly feel that it's ignored on Netflix, I think because I
[59:16] haven't heard many people speak about it.
[59:17] I just stumbled upon it and it just I started and I really,
[59:22] really liked it. So check out our brother and
[59:24] seven siblings. It's an Indonesian movie on
[59:26] Netflix. And my second recommendation is
[59:30] ATV show that is called Harlan Coben's Final Twist.
[59:35] If you know Harlan Corbin, he's a best selling author and most
[59:38] of his books have like really good twists in the front.
[59:41] So he's hosting a real life show where he knows his real crimes,
[59:45] where there's a twist, there's a real life crime.
[59:47] Because most of the time you when you watch true crime, I
[59:50] mean, like I always find it the 90% of the time it's whoever you
[59:53] think it is. If a wife has been killed, it's
[59:55] usually the husband. But here all the crimes have A
[59:59] twist and I really liked it out of the.
[1:00:02] The multitudes of real true crime shows that are available.
[1:00:05] I really like this one and I would also like to recommend a
[1:00:08] movie called Nyan Gandharvan which literally translates to AI
[1:00:12] Gandharva. This is a 1991 P Patna Rajan
[1:00:17] directed Malayalam film starring Nitish Bharadwaj, who was
[1:00:22] starred as Krishna in BR Chopra's Mahabharat.
[1:00:26] Nitish Bharadwaj and Suparna Anand.
[1:00:28] A fantastic story about a woman who has a relationship with an
[1:00:32] actual celestial being, a Gandharva.
[1:00:35] So this was a fantasy film. It was Padmaarajan's I think
[1:00:38] last film. There were, I think talk about
[1:00:41] the fact that he died shortly after the movie was released and
[1:00:45] he couldn't make any other movies.
[1:00:46] This was that because the Gandharva curse.
[1:00:49] I don't think that's the case. But anyway, it's an interesting
[1:00:51] story, Not a great film compared to some of the other Padmarajan
[1:00:55] movies, but it's something very different that you don't see.
[1:00:58] I think it's something on the lines of like Pahili, go check
[1:01:02] it out. Go check it out.
[1:01:03] So those are my recommendations because since we talked about
[1:01:05] them there during the episode, that's all the time we have for
[1:01:08] today's episode, OK. Solid, solid pop culture
[1:01:13] recommendations. By the way, I just googled it.
[1:01:15] The Indonesian framework is 1 Kaka 7 Punakan.
[1:01:20] I'm sure one and seven in Bahasa is different, but that's what
[1:01:24] brother and siblings is. And I'm going to, before Vineet
[1:01:28] does his plugs, I'm going to do a little plug for our social
[1:01:31] media. So go follow us on Instagram,
[1:01:33] share those reals because they're doing they're doing
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[1:01:36] We're lucky that people are responding well to it.
[1:01:37] But you know what? Our regular listeners, when they
[1:01:39] share it, I think it comes with a lot more value because we make
[1:01:43] this podcast privately for our podcast listeners.
[1:01:45] Instagram is just a offshoot of it.
[1:01:47] And more importantly, where my favorite people are is that
[1:01:52] Reddit page. So go to our edit page.
[1:01:55] I'm going to post a question which is going to tie up two or
[1:01:59] three of the today's questions that I have posed and my pop
[1:02:02] culture recommendation. So that question is going to tie
[1:02:05] it all up together. This is a visual question, so I
[1:02:07] didn't want to ask it on the podcast.
[1:02:09] Perhaps you won't have even realized that two of my
[1:02:11] questions or three of my questions had a connection. 2
[1:02:14] Also my pop culture recommendation. 2 also visual
[1:02:17] question to be found in my Reddit.
[1:02:19] So hey, go follow our Reddit. Go look at Reddit, and if you
[1:02:22] don't have a Reddit account, make one just to follow us with
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[1:02:59] eventually get to it. So please go ahead and save it.
[1:03:03] And that's all the time we have for this week's episode.
[1:03:05] Thank you all for joining in and.
[1:03:07] Goodbye, Aditya. See you guys next week.
[1:03:12] I had a different catch phrase in mind.
[1:03:13] OK, fine. You know, I'll save it for next
[1:03:15] time. See you guys next week.
[1:03:17] Bye. Bye.
[1:03:29] Aditya is flexing. I don't know why he's flexing
[1:03:31] but.

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