# Episode 114 - Quotes, Cubs & Kowalski ft. Sai Suresh

An episode of [Are You Quizzing Me?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1663104901), 6 Oct 2025, 1 h 08 min.

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Do you know which iconic movie quote from a 1989 movie is made by an unnamed character who appears on screen only for a few seconds in the entire film? Do you know which very appropriate songs are played during the Chicago Cubs baseball games at their home field, when a review is called by either team? Do you know what do the names 'Kowalski', 'Ferrari' & 'Herrero' have in common? Tune in to the episode to find out!! Featuring our guest quizmaster, Sai Suresh! You can reach us at Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areyouquizzingme/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/areyouquizzingme Email: areyouquizzingme@gmail.com Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/areyouquizzingme Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@areyouquizzingme/podcasts

## Transcript

[0:00] Welcome to Are you quizzing me? I am Vineet Nair with my Co host
[0:04] Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia
[0:07] podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into
[0:10] history, science, pop culture and so much more.
[0:14] Let's get quizzing. Alright, welcome back to episode
[0:18] 114 of Are You Quizzing Me? And this is a fun episode
[0:23] because we have one of our first guests back on this episode,
[0:26] Sai, dear friend of mine from college, joining us again with a
[0:30] bunch of cool questions. So welcome back.
[0:32] Thank you, Sai, for stepping in and I'm excited to do this
[0:36] episode. How have you been?
[0:38] Good, glad to be back. It's it's something that has
[0:43] been a shared passion of ours since what, like 2011?
[0:48] Tata Crucible is probably the first time we did this together.
[0:51] So, a little upset to Miss Vineet over here, but we can.
[0:56] We'll have to make do with what we have.
[0:58] Oh well, I I hope to make up for his absence.
[1:02] Tata Crucible reminds me, I don't know if you remember one
[1:04] of the most fun questions. I know exactly what you're
[1:07] saying. The Z is becoming the N Is that
[1:12] the one you're referring to? Perfect.
[1:13] And I remember both you and I were were stumped when the
[1:17] question came and then when the answer came we were like This is
[1:19] why we do trivia. This is why we do quizzing.
[1:21] It is a question that whenever I ask people, they seem to love
[1:25] finding out about it. That that is, that is a fun
[1:29] question to actually leave it as a guest question.
[1:31] You know what? This is going to be a video
[1:32] question, but in case you're listening audio audio, try to
[1:34] picture it. Bunch of Z's on A4 size poster,
[1:37] vertical poster which eventually at the bottom row turn 90° and
[1:41] the Z or the Z becomes an N. And the question is what is this
[1:46] an ad for? So by the end of this episode
[1:49] hopefully you'll figure it out. If not we will tell you what the
[1:52] answer is. OK, without further ado, sigh.
[1:57] Tell me, what is your first question for this episode?
[2:01] So I've recently been thinking a lot about like pop culture in
[2:07] general because we've had a few years where, in my opinion,
[2:11] movies have not been particularly iconic or movies
[2:15] that you will remember in the long run.
[2:19] I'm talking about just the classic blockbuster movies.
[2:21] There's been a great, it's been a great era for indie movies.
[2:24] But when you think about your classic, everyone's going to go
[2:27] to the theatre and they're going to remember moments.
[2:29] It's been like a few years since you've had that.
[2:33] So as a result, Long story short, I've been trying to watch
[2:36] movies a little bit from my 90s, eighties, 70s collection and try
[2:41] to like, remember what made these movies great, Why do they
[2:45] have a lasting impact on us? And that led me to think about
[2:51] how sometimes even if you don't remember everything from a
[2:54] movie, you remember iconic quotes.
[2:56] So I will always remember. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a
[3:01] damn, even though I have very little idea what else happened
[3:03] and Gone with the Wind. I will remember things like, I
[3:08] don't know, we'll always have Paris, even though I don't
[3:11] remember which part of Casablanca actually happened in
[3:14] Paris. So there are things like that
[3:15] that stay in memory. And as I was trying to recall
[3:19] some of these great quotes there were, there was one that stood
[3:23] out to me as a quote made by a character who speaks nothing
[3:28] else in the movie. And so my first question to you
[3:31] is there's five word deadpan like quote in a movie that was
[3:38] ranked like 33rd on AF is 100 greatest courts of all time.
[3:43] AFI being the American Film Institute.
[3:45] And it was the only line spoken by this guest appearance
[3:49] character in a 1989 movie. And it happened in a restaurant.
[3:53] And this five word code is probably the only thing I
[3:56] remember about that movie. And little did I know that that
[4:00] guest character spoke nothing else in the movie.
[4:03] They were on screen for five seconds, uttered one phrase.
[4:07] And I'd imagine you and I and most of your guests are familiar
[4:12] with that phrase, whether they know anything else about that
[4:15] movie. So just wanted to put that out
[4:17] there as what do you, what can you think about as an iconic
[4:20] quote that is spoken by a character that does nothing else
[4:23] in the movie? You said happens in a cafe or
[4:27] restaurant. Did you mention some?
[4:29] Happens in a restaurant, yeah. I don't think the year is right,
[4:34] but the first thing that comes to mind.
[4:35] There are two iconic restaurant scenes that come to mind.
[4:38] The first one being heat. Yeah, that is I think 1995.
[4:43] Yeah, 1995 and there's no guest actor iconic line as far as I
[4:49] remember the other one again, I don't think it's the right year,
[4:52] but Harry met Sally Sally pretending to have an orgasm and
[4:59] showing how women fake orgasms and the woman behind her says
[5:02] I'll have what she's having, which is the only line that
[5:05] character says because it's. Exactly.
[5:06] You have the side character just sitting in the background of
[5:10] your Cafe and at the end of what is a iconic uncomfortable moment
[5:17] by Meg Ryan. And like, the audience is sucked
[5:20] into it because she's clearly making a scene.
[5:22] You're uncomfortable watching it.
[5:24] And then as the, like, you know, the intensity of the scene
[5:27] crescendos, it pans down to a character of the background
[5:31] saying, I'll have what she's having.
[5:34] That character says nothing else in the movie.
[5:35] They don't appear anywhere else. And it is a quote that I
[5:38] remember, even though I remember very little else about that
[5:41] movie. So that was something that stood
[5:43] out to me. That is very cool.
[5:45] Yeah. Now that I think about it, I
[5:47] can't think of many other quotes by a random character in a film
[5:50] that becomes one of the most iconic dialogues not just from
[5:53] the film, but cinema altogether. That's, yeah, pretty good.
[5:57] Is that somebody famous? Is that just a random background
[6:01] actor her? Name is Estelle Reiner, and
[6:03] she's only famous because she's related to the director.
[6:06] Rob Reiner directed the movie and I think either it was his
[6:09] wife or his relative. OK, but I don't think she has
[6:14] any other movie credits to her name, Right, Right, Right.
[6:16] When you talk about moment of fame, think about something as
[6:19] long standing as this compared to like anything else small like
[6:23] people are never going to forget I'll have what she's having.
[6:25] OK, now that you brought this up, this isn't my question, but
[6:29] I'm just going to ask. Ask it as an addendum to yours.
[6:32] 1995 film, a very iconic film that both you and I have loved.
[6:35] Both you and I have watched for listeners who perhaps I don't
[6:40] know if you mentioned in the previous guest episode, but I'll
[6:42] mentioned now, we used to do a little bit of a film club for a
[6:45] few months in college where we both used to get a bunch of
[6:48] friends. It was just an excuse to watch
[6:50] movies with friends. I think we watched this movie in
[6:53] that film club one of the weeks. I'm not quite sure.
[6:56] But anyways, a 1995 film that both you and I love gets its
[7:00] name from an iconic movie quote from the 1940s.
[7:04] Yeah, the. Movie was 1942. 1942 I.
[7:06] Mean what I love about having these kind of like conversations
[7:09] without a particular theme when we talk about the first question
[7:14] you asked on this episode was about the poster where you have
[7:17] a bunch of ZS. And what makes that poster
[7:20] particularly cool is, let's say the Z is positioned
[7:23] horizontally, and the Z first turns like a little bit, then
[7:28] turns a little bit more, turns a little bit more, turns a little
[7:30] bit more, until it ends up at an end.
[7:32] And this movie comes down to something like a foot turning
[7:38] from One Direction slowly, slowly, a little bit more
[7:41] slowly, a little bit more. So if I'm not wrong, you're
[7:44] referring to the usual suspects because of the Casablanca court
[7:48] of let's round up the usual suspects.
[7:51] Unfortunately, it's a little, you know, not a movie that I
[7:54] think many of us will watch again, given what's the what
[7:57] Kevin Spacey has been up to since then.
[8:00] But pretty great movie. And while I don't remember if we
[8:03] explicitly did it as a movie club, we definitely watched it
[8:06] in in US back in college. Yeah, movie club was fun.
[8:11] I think we started off with The Man from Earth, which highly
[8:14] recommend your listeners to watch if they haven't before.
[8:19] I think our most popular ones were Amadeus, which I had never
[8:24] seen before. I think you recommended it.
[8:26] I've never seen it after. And we got like around 2025
[8:30] people to come. People love horror.
[8:32] You watch that Spanish movie. RECREC was very popular, yes.
[8:38] Most of the movies we saw ended up being movies that I'll never
[8:42] forget. And there are friends of mine,
[8:45] friends of yours who I'm sure till this day remember some
[8:49] movies only because we showed it and stuff like Full Metal
[8:53] Jacket, like no one's ever going to watch that otherwise.
[8:55] But we screened it and so yeah, it was pretty fun.
[8:58] I. Don't think even think it went
[9:00] on for too long, but it was a fun time to be watching movies
[9:03] with friends. Best use of college days because
[9:05] clearly nobody was studying. OK, lovely.
[9:09] And your question, thank you for that amazing question.
[9:12] Lovely to always chat movies with you leads me to my question
[9:16] because you talked about somebody who doesn't have any
[9:19] credits apart from that one very iconic movie presence in that in
[9:24] that line. And my question has to do with
[9:27] somebody who has a bunch of credits, and I just want you to
[9:31] tell me what this person has been credited for.
[9:34] OK, So I'm going to give you some of the movies that this
[9:38] person has worked on but was uncredited.
[9:41] OK, let's start with Star Wars episode 4.
[9:45] A New Hope Star Wars episode 5 As well we have Raiders of the
[9:49] Lost Ark, ET the extraterrestrial Blade Runner,
[9:54] the original Blade Runner, The Thing Tron first blood Star Wars
[10:00] yet again episode 6 Risky Business.
[10:05] People would remember this for a very iconic scene.
[10:08] Police Academy, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and I'm
[10:12] still only in the 1980s. This person has worked for many
[10:16] decades. Back to the Future, Harry Potter
[10:19] and the Chamber of Secrets, The First Harry Potter, The Harry
[10:22] Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, the the second trilogy, Star
[10:25] Wars Episode 1-2 and three. Planet of the Apes, The Green
[10:29] Mile. Beautiful film.
[10:31] Anastasia, Again, a great film. Lost World.
[10:34] Jurassic Park. So these are, I guess,
[10:37] relatively more recent films. So yeah, this is this person's
[10:40] filmography. Pan's Labyrinth.
[10:41] Oh my God, what a beautiful film.
[10:42] The Mist. These are all the films that
[10:46] this person has worked on. A lot of like the first 7-8
[10:50] movies you listed, I immediately pictured characters that you'll
[10:53] never see their face. Like could be a Chewbacca, could
[10:55] be an Ewok, could be the ET and all that could be the thing.
[11:00] I don't know. And the first like 8 movies had
[11:04] some connection to Spielberg and then you went away with things
[11:09] like Police Academy and Risky Business.
[11:13] So this person has appeared on screen.
[11:17] Or are they like behind the scenes from a music perspective
[11:20] or like sound editing? And is it maybe a voice actor?
[11:25] So nothing in the acting department?
[11:27] Yeah, OK. Nothing at all in the acting
[11:28] department. Never seen in the film.
[11:32] That would be a first hand. So the other thing then that
[11:36] potentially stands out, there's no chance even in the 80s that
[11:41] you're going to have someone like, I don't know, Howard Shore
[11:44] or someone of those like famous music directors.
[11:46] They're not going. It's not Howard Shore who like
[11:49] confused with anyway. There's no way.
[11:51] Like it's a iconic music director.
[11:53] I'd assume it might be someone who helped design the logo of
[11:58] the movie. Maybe like the person who
[12:01] designed how the Star Wars logo is going to be.
[12:03] Back to the Future has an iconic logo.
[12:05] Blade Runner has a fairly iconic logo.
[12:09] I can't remember the logo of anything like Risky Business or
[12:12] Police Academy, so are they something?
[12:15] Do they have something to do with the movie names, opening
[12:18] tiles, or like the opening sequence design sort of things?
[12:22] I don't know if you're thinking of John Williams, by the way,
[12:24] with the composer. John Yeah, yeah.
[12:26] But you are actually very close, not the logo, not the opening
[12:32] titles, but something let's say a visual reference.
[12:35] I think this would probably be a good enough and a visual
[12:38] reference to the film itself that people.
[12:40] So both logo and opening titles are visual cues to a film.
[12:45] Yeah. So something very close to that.
[12:47] But like I said, doesn't appear. This person doesn't appear on
[12:51] screen. Actually their work also doesn't
[12:53] appear on screen. So probably has to be like
[12:55] poster design. Perfect.
[12:57] Yes, because. At least all of these have such
[13:00] famous posters and you can you think about your the first time
[13:05] Star Wars was launched and people have never seen anything
[13:09] other than 2001 a Space Odyssey, which is not an approachable
[13:12] movie. And how do you capture attention
[13:14] with this grand was poster? You have like a kid with a
[13:17] lightsaber. You have like a green thing in
[13:18] the background. You have like this big star with
[13:23] something shooting out from the middle in the centre.
[13:25] And you can picture the Back to the Future poster with the like
[13:30] the Doctor with the Einstein hair and you don't know what
[13:33] this doctor up to. And you have just like a car
[13:37] zooming in the background. And so it's a post person who
[13:39] designed these posters. Exactly.
[13:42] Bruce Trusen Brusen has been credited with 150 film posters
[13:48] and I'm sorry, I didn't even mention perhaps the most
[13:51] impressive of the films, Shawshank Redemption as well.
[13:53] This man has been behind the most iconic and back when
[13:59] perhaps trailers weren't as common, people were probably not
[14:02] watching trailers as much. A poster was probably the first
[14:06] and the more enduring image that you had before you went to watch
[14:10] a movie. Exactly, it's a.
[14:11] Lost art. I don't know how many movies put
[14:14] in too much effort into posters anymore.
[14:16] I think now it's more about the trailers and the teasers and the
[14:19] teaser to the teaser as is the case.
[14:21] But posters back in the day were the way to promote a film.
[14:26] And this man, Drew Strusen single handedly has designed
[14:29] basically all of Hollywood at this point.
[14:32] Cause Blade Runner, ET na Jones, Back to the Future, Harry
[14:35] Potter, Star Wars, all of them. This man has been credited with
[14:39] unfortunately this he retired a few years ago and I think he's
[14:42] now suffering through Alzheimer's so isn't isn't
[14:46] working anymore, but well, his legacy is enduring.
[14:50] Nobody could argue that. Funnily enough, he got into this
[14:54] and it's a fun little anecdote that he himself has described,
[14:56] that when he went to a career counsellor and he told him about
[14:59] his interest, the career counsellor said there are two
[15:02] options I can potentially imagine for you, one of them
[15:05] being fine art or the other illustration.
[15:08] And as a fine artist you will be able to paint whatever you want,
[15:11] but as an illustrator you'll be paid.
[15:13] So he decided to go with illustration, and that's how we
[15:17] got one of the most psychotic poster designers.
[15:19] Yeah, and for a career to span all the way from like Star Wars,
[15:24] still Harry Potter, you've basically covered some of the
[15:28] more long lasting franchises as well.
[15:32] So yeah, pretty impressive. For the release of Star Wars
[15:36] Episode 1, The Phantom Menace, George Lucas dictated that
[15:39] contractually, Strusen's poster was the only art the foreign
[15:43] distributors could use, and other than the text which they
[15:46] could translate, they could not be modified in any way.
[15:49] So that's how iconic his forces had become and his legacy had
[15:53] become to these very enduring franchise.
[15:55] How do you stumble across him? Don't know, I don't know.
[15:59] I don't know where I find my trivia.
[16:00] At some point I lose track. There are very few things I
[16:03] remember. I think another question that
[16:04] I've already asked in this podcast is YKK and I remember it
[16:07] is from a Tata Crucible quiz that you and I encountered.
[16:10] This was when like there was a question about each alphabet,
[16:13] right? Yes.
[16:14] So I think the format of the quiz was there were 26 questions
[16:17] and you're answer each question based off the clue that the
[16:23] answer would start with the next letter of the alhabet.
[16:25] So the answer starting with Y was YKK and it was supposed to
[16:28] be like this particular company is controls like 80% of the
[16:32] share of the industry it is in on some instance, yeah.
[16:35] Huge monopoly and yeah, and. All of you have encountered it
[16:39] and are probably using it on a daily basis and none of us have
[16:42] a clue. At least you and I didn't have a
[16:43] clue. And then he says YKK.
[16:45] Then he's like, you know, check your.
[16:47] I think. The whole auditorium just was
[16:51] looking at their garage for that moment, checking out their
[16:54] zippers and why KK was on almost all of our zippers.
[16:57] They make zips. So I've asked that question
[16:59] earlier. So I remember some questions
[17:01] where I encountered them because there were these iconic moments.
[17:04] Others, I don't know how I found them, but Bruce Trusen is.
[17:08] I'm glad I found him wherever I did.
[17:10] Lovely, lovely work. Some of my favorite films this
[17:12] man has been responsible for the posters for.
[17:16] Anyways, back to you your question.
[17:19] I mean, I feel like every time that I've, when I say every time
[17:23] I've come here once, but I ended up asking quite a bit of sports
[17:27] and geography. And there's a reason like I do
[17:29] think those are categories that I'm generally more comfortable
[17:32] with. And you've mentioned that sports
[17:34] is something that isn't something that comes
[17:37] supernaturally to either you or Vineet.
[17:39] And so you enjoy trying to figure it out when it isn't just
[17:42] like straight sports trivia. And so that marriage between
[17:45] like sports and pop culture or sports and everyday life is
[17:50] something that I love. So I was recently at a baseball
[17:53] game, which is by far the most boring sport in the world.
[17:58] Like it's 5-6 hours. Nothing really happens to keep
[18:04] the crowd entertained. They do like a 7th inning
[18:07] stretch, which is literally just so people can stand up.
[18:11] They the game is about like going there, getting some beers,
[18:15] forgetting that you're actually there at a sport and like just
[18:18] enjoying being outdoors. So there's a lot that baseball
[18:22] teams try to do to engage the crowd or to, like, get them
[18:26] hyped up because the sport is so fundamentally boring.
[18:30] And one of how one of the ways they do this is with the help of
[18:33] like, really fun announcers or musicians who are employed to
[18:39] like, play appropriate tunes or to hype the crowd up at the
[18:41] right moments. Give people something to expect
[18:44] and I think the the stadium that I was at was the Chicago Cubs.
[18:51] I was studying in Chicago for a couple of years and they have
[18:54] employed a famous musician whose name escaped me.
[18:58] But one of the things that is iconic about him is he's been at
[19:03] the club for 20-30 years, and as a result, people know exactly
[19:07] what to expect. There are two things that stood
[19:09] out to me because I was really surprised at how both the crowd
[19:13] knew about it and how apartment it was.
[19:15] So in baseball, like, you're allowed to challenge an
[19:17] official's rule whenever the opposing team asks for a
[19:21] challenge on an umpire's decision.
[19:24] And the minute that happens, you can see the crowd like perk up,
[19:28] pay attention and the musician plays this very famous song from
[19:32] the 60s and incredibly apartment.
[19:35] And I was shocked at how appropriate it was a song from
[19:39] the 60s to be played when an opposing team in the stadium
[19:43] asked for a challenge or an umpires call.
[19:46] As you know, you'd only challenge a call when it goes
[19:48] against you. So that call is probably in
[19:50] favour of the home team and the opposing team is trying to
[19:52] challenge it. And this guy plays a very famous
[19:55] song from the 60s. So a I'd like you to guess that
[19:58] concurrently when the home team. Challenges a call that the
[20:03] umpire has made that means they're trying to switch over a
[20:05] call in favour of themselves. He plays a more recent banger, a
[20:10] song from the 90s that everyone loves, and then the crowd just
[20:14] gets into it and I found it hilarious.
[20:16] Inappropriate. Turns out it's his thing and he
[20:19] does this in every game. So I'd like you to guess the two
[20:22] famous songs played in the baseball stadium of the Chicago
[20:25] Cubs that are appropriate to the sporting situation.
[20:28] So when there is an away team in the Chicago Cubs stadium, they
[20:32] play the 60s song and when when they're challenging, they play
[20:36] the 60s song. And when the home team, the
[20:39] Cubs, are challenging something, they play the 90s banger.
[20:42] And both songs, like all most of us have heard of it.
[20:45] We're very familiar with it, and that's why it was so funny.
[20:47] Like the crowd just gets into it after ignoring everything that
[20:50] happens for the rest of the game.
[20:51] Suddenly, they perk up. OK, 60s boy.
[20:56] See, like you very correctly pointed out, suppose it's not my
[21:00] arena, but music is Vineet's era and I'm I'm kind of missing him
[21:05] a lot right now at this moment. But let me try 60s.
[21:09] But I'm completely lost on which era this song is from.
[21:14] But We Are the Champions as a very common sporting song.
[21:17] But it doesn't make sense as a challenge.
[21:19] Yeah. Another thing that helps is
[21:22] like, I think the mood is also appropriate.
[21:24] The opposing team is challenging any place like a little bit of a
[21:27] slow song to like, you know, bore the opposing team, dull
[21:30] them down, ask them to just like chill out.
[21:33] Whereas when the home team is challenging, this is like an up
[21:35] tempo song that's encouraging the umpire to give them the give
[21:40] them what they want sort of thing.
[21:43] No, no, this is completely out of my zone, so give me some
[21:48] clue. Opposing team is asking for
[21:50] challenge. He wants them to like chill.
[21:54] And so he plays a melodic slow song and it's a Beatles song, so
[21:58] famous Beatles song that's telling the opposing team to
[22:01] like, you know, chill up And then first I'll let you guess
[22:05] that. And when the home team is doing
[22:08] it, he plays a Backstreet Boys song to like pump the crowd up
[22:11] and encourage the officials to give them something that they
[22:15] that they need. So maybe the bands will make it
[22:19] too easy, but I thought I thought it was pretty
[22:21] appropriate. No I needed, I need the help
[22:25] Beatles. I literally just watched
[22:29] yesterday like 2 days ago not yesterday.
[22:32] And I'm sorry. For anybody who doesn't know,
[22:35] it's a fun film referencing Beatles and talking about The
[22:39] Beatles song in a world where The Beatles don't exist.
[22:42] They never existed, yeah. Yeah, but the songs that come to
[22:48] mind that could fit chill song, not not too a little mellow, not
[22:55] too hectic. Hey Jude again, doesn't really
[22:58] fit the vibe though. Wow.
[23:01] OK, Backstreet's Boys song. I want it that way.
[23:05] Oh, I wanted that because they want it that way.
[23:07] OK, Yeah. Exactly.
[23:09] So they they're like the home team is challenged and
[23:12] immediately he goes into I want it that way.
[23:15] The crowd gets into it. They're all asking the official
[23:18] to give them what they want. And it's a very funny contrast
[23:22] to The Beatles song Which. Is it?
[23:24] Is it? The lyrics are similar.
[23:27] It's it's similar, it's it's appropriate to the situation.
[23:32] Yeah, I think you'll tell me. I don't know which Beatles song
[23:35] it is so. This is The Beatles song saying
[23:37] let it be. And the song is let it be, Let
[23:40] it be. And so the opponents have just
[23:44] challenged a call, and the crowd just gets into it.
[23:47] And melodically, everyone's just like, just let it be, let it be.
[23:51] So I thought it was a funny contrast, especially if they
[23:55] happen, like, close to each other, to see how they get into
[23:58] trying to get the crowd into it. And yeah.
[24:01] In retrospect, as our good questions are obvious, but yeah,
[24:05] I love that. Let it be, and I want it that
[24:06] way. Love that.
[24:07] OK, cool. Well, since you mentioned you
[24:10] are in the US and your question was a perfect segue yet again
[24:13] because you spoke about both sports and music.
[24:18] Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey first before the question.
[24:21] Thoughts. Sigh.
[24:22] How? Where are you on the Taylor
[24:24] Travis fandom? Obviously no hipsters ever going
[24:29] to like Taylor Swift, but her era store has done something
[24:32] that you probably haven't seen in the world of music since the
[24:37] 80s. And that isn't to say anything
[24:40] about the quality of her music or anything.
[24:42] Maybe it's good, maybe it's great.
[24:43] I like I love a few of her songs, but I also don't know a
[24:47] bunch of them. But the way she has erupted in
[24:51] mainstream popularity and the I think there were news articles
[24:55] about the impact that the arrestor had on local economies
[24:58] in places that she went to and something crazy like that.
[25:01] So I think when you hit that sort of fan like popularity,
[25:05] it's inevitable that fandom and crazy fandom follows along with
[25:08] it. And so you get to find anyone
[25:13] from the world of sports, which stereotypically is as far away
[25:16] from pop country girl music as it gets in terms of like who is
[25:21] likely to follow both. And so when you find that as an
[25:24] overlap, it's inevitable that I think this kind of popularity.
[25:27] So I have very little cynicism about it.
[25:31] Like, good for them. And it makes sense.
[25:33] It's so popular. What is your take?
[25:35] Like, I know I kind of monopolize this conversation,
[25:37] but yeah. What do you feel?
[25:39] No no, your your take is your take Probably summarizes mine as
[25:43] well. Like you said, I think some of
[25:44] the songs are great. I've heard them.
[25:47] I treated like any other pop artist where they just stuck on
[25:50] loop for a few days and I can't get over it.
[25:52] And then after a while it kind of Peters out and it'll pop up
[25:55] and I'll sing along as well. And some of the first songs I
[26:00] heard from her love story. I still think if it plays, I'll
[26:03] definitely sing along. I love the song, it's a great
[26:05] song. Absolutely.
[26:06] Taylor's version. I'm I'm on Taylor's side for
[26:08] that. So Taylor's version for sure.
[26:12] So Taylor Travis, like you mentioned, iconic couple sports
[26:16] and music, marriage made 11 fun, not intended.
[26:21] And they announced their engagement through a very iconic
[26:26] image. At this point in August, the end
[26:29] of August, there was a caption which referenced gym teacher and
[26:34] English teacher. Your gym teacher and English
[26:36] teacher are getting married. There was also an emoji in that
[26:40] post in that caption. What emoji was it that Taylor
[26:45] and Travis used in their engagement announcement that
[26:48] referenced their romance? That was a reference to their
[26:52] love story. Oh, fascinating.
[26:56] Like even though I've seen that post, you know, like I love
[27:00] questions like this where everyone has clearly seen the
[27:04] reference material or like has basically seen the answer.
[27:07] But it's a test of either you remember it because you saw it 2
[27:11] minutes ago or you're trying to piece together some clues.
[27:15] And I love it when like casually, I like you'd ask.
[27:19] I think I've been asked by friends to recreate like the
[27:24] opening screen of Pokémon Go which I used to play a lot even
[27:27] though and I played it daily and the joke would be that you'd see
[27:31] it all the time but you can't recreate it so it's a small
[27:34] Segway. So thinking about this.
[27:36] So it's a singular emoji. It's one emoji, and it's an
[27:41] emoji that is a reference to their love story.
[27:44] Oh, so it could be like a football emoji.
[27:47] Maybe like Super Bowl with like a stadium.
[27:50] Stadium could be similar to both of theirs.
[27:56] Yeah, you're on the right track. So you don't need to know
[27:57] specifics about like, I don't know, like when they got
[28:00] together or, or anything like that.
[28:02] In fact, it's even simpler that you, you don't even need to know
[28:05] their occupation though, even though everybody does know what
[28:07] they do. You you just need to know their
[28:10] names to understand the reference.
[28:13] Once you once you decode it. Oh, Taylor and Travis Swift.
[28:25] Interesting. So Oh my God, I'm going to going
[28:32] to be really upset if I don't know this.
[28:34] Does this have something to do with just like a letter T or
[28:39] something? The T emoji know I'm like oh
[28:40] that maybe the T It's T as gossip and it is T in that it's
[28:47] a 2 letters. You are so close.
[28:49] You are. You are tantalizingly close.
[28:51] Oh, so it's not. Oh my God, the tea emoji would
[28:53] have been great. Yeah, piping hot gossip is now
[28:57] I'm stuck on it. You know, like I've anchored on
[28:59] something and my mind refuses it.
[29:01] Is it is news, it is a big news. So there is that meaning of the
[29:06] emoji as well in a in a roundabout way.
[29:09] And there is also a reference to their names you you have.
[29:14] It's like you've said the answer out loud.
[29:16] I want you to go back to it. Heart of the press.
[29:21] It's like news is how is it not the team emoji?
[29:32] Now I'm like so stuck on it. Yeah, you should give feedback
[29:36] to Taylor. Just be like, you know what?
[29:38] This would have been a better emoji.
[29:39] I I'm on your side, team emoji would have been great.
[29:44] This is as good if not, if not I.
[29:46] Think you should tell me? I think I'm just going to.
[29:48] I'll give you one more hint. OK, I'm going to give you one
[29:50] more hint. It has to do with their
[29:51] initials. TSTK Yeah.
[29:54] So not even the last name, just the first names.
[29:57] Just T. And what would be considered
[29:59] like a huge news, like something that is so surprising out of the
[30:04] blue, maybe a lot of fans expected it, but let's just say
[30:07] unexpected moment. What are you doing to me?
[30:11] Man? This is such a this is a chill
[30:14] Saturday morning. I've woken up and like having
[30:17] such a good day. I'm gonna, I'm gonna say one
[30:22] phrase. I'm gonna say one phrase for
[30:24] you. Taylor and Travis.
[30:26] Travis and Taylor. Taylor and Travis.
[30:29] OK, you're killing me. You're killing me.
[30:31] You should just tell me. OK, alright, I'll give it to
[30:33] you. It's a dynamite emoji because
[30:35] it's TNT. Oh, my goodness.
[30:38] Oh, that's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[30:41] Damn, oh that's that is pretty good.
[30:45] I I think I like it just as much as the team emoji.
[30:50] And it was a they dropped a bomb.
[30:52] They dropped a bomb on the fans and nobody was expecting it.
[30:55] And TNT you. Think it was intentional as TNT
[30:59] or you think it's strictly about like a bomb news?
[31:01] Oh you have to go to this BBC article.
[31:04] I, I don't know the exact title, but it basically was 6
[31:08] references to like the history of paintings and like how the
[31:14] way they're positioned and how the background everything is so
[31:18] perfectly choreographed. Knowing someone like Taylor
[31:20] Swift who, who is very deliberate in their choices,
[31:24] there's no choice that no chance that the dynamite was not
[31:27] intentionally used instead of just, you know, the black
[31:30] circular bomb. It was the red.
[31:32] Yeah, yeah, yeah. TNP.
[31:34] No, that's good. That's a really, really, really
[31:37] good question. And like I've seen, I've seen
[31:41] the post, I've seen the caption, but the TNT didn't stand out.
[31:45] TNT is great. TNT, Taylor and Travis.
[31:48] And I'm not a Taylor Swift fan fan, but I was impressed with
[31:52] this little nod to, well, their names in this subtle way.
[31:58] I loved it. Yeah, well, back to you, Sai.
[32:01] Give me your question. I think it's more fun to ask
[32:05] about non traditional sports letters.
[32:06] A lot of people who know trivia about football, tennis, soccer,
[32:09] cricket, etcetera. But it is fun to talk about
[32:11] sports that you don't typically associate quizzing with.
[32:16] And I think horse racing. Recently I found out I was
[32:18] reading up about some iconic horses that have like been
[32:25] considered to be some of the greatest sports people of all
[32:28] time, which I thought was super funny going through a list of
[32:31] 100 greatest athletes of all time.
[32:33] And you have like your Muhammad Ali and it's, it's an American
[32:35] list. So you have your Muhammad Ali,
[32:36] your Michael Jordan, yada, yada, yada.
[32:39] And then suddenly there was Secretariat, which is a horse.
[32:42] And so that's, that's how they're revered over here.
[32:46] And in the early 20th century, there was a horse called Manowar
[32:51] named, I assume after the jellyfish, and it won 20 out of
[32:57] 21 races it has entered, which is by far the most dominant
[33:02] record of any horse. Horses generally have a very
[33:05] short career, and it's funny to refer it to it in that way.
[33:10] But it it has to happen when the horses between the age of I
[33:14] think 2:00 and 3:00 and after that they retire and they become
[33:17] super breeders. Like horses are a lot of these
[33:21] competitive horses. It's their spawn that become
[33:25] future competitive horses and and they're like extremely
[33:27] priced and valuable, etcetera. So short career.
[33:30] And so they won Man War 120 out of 21 races, specifically in
[33:38] like the 1918 to 1920 range. And in a year in the only loss
[33:43] they had was in 1919. They they won like all the
[33:48] major, the hopeful strikes, Belmont Stakes, Kentucky Derby
[33:51] and all that. But they had only one single
[33:56] defeat ever, which came in 1919 at Saratoga, another famous
[34:00] race. That race is famous for being
[34:04] it's called the Graveyard of Champions because all the
[34:06] greatest horses have occasionally lost over their
[34:09] secretariat, lost over there and so on.
[34:11] So Man who was only Lost, only loss came at Saratoga losing by
[34:15] a neck to a colt that was fittingly named.
[34:18] What? I thought it was incredibly
[34:21] funny that Man who was only Lost came against a very fittingly
[34:24] named opponent. Urban myth is that the name of
[34:29] that horse is now commonly used in sporting context because of
[34:36] what exactly happened when Man Who was lost.
[34:39] Turns out. The reality is that word has
[34:40] been used a little earlier, but I thought it was a pretty funny
[34:43] urban myth and a very fitting loss for this one horse.
[34:48] Again, I don't know too much about horse racing.
[34:52] And that's the beauty. Like I love asking sports
[34:54] questions that you don't need to know about it.
[34:56] OK. One context that's helpful for
[34:58] listeners is horses are named most like random things, like
[35:02] horses are named after household items, sources are named after
[35:06] generic words and stuff like that.
[35:08] So like how the man award, we've heard of Secretariat and I think
[35:11] there are the recent Kentucky Derby winner, I think has a very
[35:15] funny name, Apollo, and two years ago was Justified, which
[35:20] is also such a funny name. Man O War, I didn't know was the
[35:28] name of the horse firstly, and the only reference I have to Man
[35:31] O War is I think you mentioned jellyfish.
[35:33] I think it's something like a jellyfish, a much, much bigger
[35:36] jellyfish or something along those lines.
[35:38] Yeah. So does it have anything to do
[35:40] with the jellyfish thing? It's like a sting or something.
[35:42] Is that what the? Nothing to do with the
[35:44] jellyfish, it's just has a It has something to do with the
[35:48] fact that a horse that won everything else lost this one
[35:51] race. OK.
[35:53] And you said it it the the false etymology of the word being
[35:57] associated to sports was from that.
[35:59] So it is something related to sports.
[36:01] Exactly. Oh, Sting made so much sense,
[36:03] like it was it's tongue that they lost.
[36:06] It was oh that we have a strange name for a horse.
[36:10] But underdog? You're basically there, but
[36:13] Underdog is such a great guess. It would have been a funny name
[36:17] for a horse. But let's let's try to think of
[36:21] something an underdog would do to the favorite.
[36:28] It would be. You basically just define the
[36:31] answer already. Unexpected result.
[36:36] I just searched up definition of the word.
[36:40] Word occurs when the favorite is defeated by an underdog whom the
[36:45] majority expects to lose. You literally just said.
[36:53] What is it's they they came through the storm, through the
[37:00] upset. Upset is was it an upset?
[37:02] The horse was named upset. I love that.
[37:06] And upset has only won one famous race ever, and it beat
[37:12] the horse that had won 20 out of 21 races in its career.
[37:16] And this wasn't like, you know, the last race of Man of War
[37:19] where it's past its peak. And it's like Don Bradman
[37:22] getting out for a zero in his final innings.
[37:24] Nothing like that. This was the middle of the prime
[37:27] of the most dominant racehorse in history, and they lost to a
[37:30] horse named Upset. Oh God that's hilarious.
[37:34] I love that. OK OK so upset beat man over.
[37:39] I believe I remember reading this somewhere that a lot of the
[37:43] current crop of horses have. Something to do with Secretariat
[37:46] I'm sure. Yeah, they they derive some
[37:49] genetic lineage to Secretariat at some point, which is insane.
[37:53] And some insane number, like 90% of them or nine, 8090% of them
[37:58] are related to Secretariat. It's insane how much of an
[38:01] impact this one dude had. The Jingus kind of race horses.
[38:06] Yeah, basically. You know what?
[38:09] Simple question, I'll see if you know the answer, but I think
[38:14] it's one of those questions that you if you know the answer, you
[38:16] know the answer. And we would, yeah, we're
[38:18] talking about names. So that gives me my segue.
[38:21] Tell me, what is the connection between Ferrari, Kowalski,
[38:27] Smith, Herrero? What is the connection between
[38:32] all of these famous names? Ferrari Kowalski.
[38:36] Herrero, Smith. I know that Smith is like an
[38:40] occupational name like blacksmith, Goldsmith, but.
[38:45] Yeah, you're pretty much. You're pretty much there.
[38:46] You're pretty much there. You almost got it.
[38:48] What you just said was just give me are.
[38:51] They like surnames based on occupations in their language.
[38:54] And one specific occupation. Metal workers, You know,
[38:58] Blacksmith. Goldsmith.
[38:59] Sort of a thing. I'll give it to you, Blacksmith
[39:02] is the answer. Oh, blacksmiths, yeah.
[39:04] Ferrari being Ferris, so I know there there's a connection.
[39:09] Oh, Ferris. Yeah.
[39:12] And Smith, like you said, Blacksmith and Kowalski, which
[39:15] in Polish means blacksmith. It is the second most common
[39:18] surname in Poland. I had no idea.
[39:21] So a bunch of these names, if you see are very similar.
[39:25] There's Ferrari. There is also similarly in
[39:27] Italian, there's Fabro or Fabri, which is from the Latin Faber.
[39:33] So there's that connection that is Ferrero, which is a regional
[39:36] variant of Ferrari, and there is Herrero, which is the Spanish
[39:40] equivalent of Ferrari, Kovac, Kowalski, Kowal.
[39:44] So all of these names technically mean blacksmith.
[39:46] And I thought that was so interesting that some very
[39:49] iconic, famous names actually mean the same thing.
[39:52] Blacksmith. I wonder if you'd never given
[39:54] Smith if there was any way I get it, because like, how would I
[39:58] have tried to put Ferrari and Kowalski and Herrero together?
[40:02] Is like I can, I could you know, I could convince myself that
[40:05] Ferrari and Herero something about the double Rs in between I
[40:09] could convince myself Ferrari and Kowalski something about
[40:12] like, I don't know, maybe car manufacturers something.
[40:15] But I would no chance I would have got it without Smith.
[40:20] OK, you know what, since I did a name question and you correct
[40:22] that fairly quickly, I'm going to give you one more name
[40:24] question and this has to do with graffiti artist.
[40:28] I was telling you before we start recording that when I was
[40:31] travelling recently, I saw a bunch of graffiti and I was
[40:35] surprised at the level of political graffiti that was
[40:38] there in Georgia where I was for a few weeks.
[40:41] And there is this particular graffiti artist and he's in the
[40:45] UK and his, I guess political ideology is to point out the
[40:49] flaws in the local government by specifically pointing out
[40:53] potholes on the road. So he draws graffiti around the
[40:56] potholes. Now if you are underage, if
[40:59] you're by any chance listening to this and you are less than
[41:01] 18, may be a good point to to skip ahead because this guy
[41:06] draws a penis around it and has has an ejaculate matter coming
[41:12] out from the tip of it. So a very classic.
[41:16] Juvenile joke, yeah. Juvenile joke around the pothole
[41:20] meant to shame the people who have, you know, lacked in their
[41:24] responsibilities and not fixed this in the UK.
[41:27] So this guy is famous for doing this?
[41:31] What is his name? The artist name that he goes by?
[41:35] What is this guy's pen name, as it were?
[41:40] I don't think you'd ask this question if it was just like a
[41:43] you either know or you don't. So there's probably something to
[41:46] crack over here. So instinctively I'm going
[41:50] graffiti artist thinking something like AFIA could be
[41:56] like a play on words is what I'm thinking because they usually
[41:59] try to put like funny names that are kind of associated with
[42:03] something that people can recognise easily.
[42:07] I'm thinking 2 directions. Either it's a play on like a
[42:10] famous artist, something like a play on Banksy, a play on
[42:14] Picasso, a play on one of these kind of artists, or.
[42:18] Don't even. Don't even go the other way.
[42:19] Don't even go the other way. You're on the right track.
[42:21] OK, so it is a play. It is a play on a famous artist.
[42:26] It's either related to pothole specifically or it's related to
[42:30] genitalia and. You also already just said the
[42:35] name. You said the name the artist in
[42:38] question whose name has been fund upon.
[42:41] Oh, so it is either Banksy or Picasso.
[42:43] I'll. Tell you it's Banksy.
[42:44] It's Banksy. It's not in Picasso.
[42:45] It is specifically the graffiti artist Banksy.
[42:48] So we're thinking of a play on his name that is either juvenile
[42:56] or related to genitalia or related to potholes.
[43:00] Like given that this is more of an artist who likes to be
[43:03] inflammatory for like catching attention is probably a play on
[43:07] the genitalia kind of things or like the ejaculate nature of it.
[43:12] Maybe like shooting a blank could be blank see could be.
[43:17] Very close, very close. Oh my God, again.
[43:20] It's like this TNT all over again.
[43:23] Like you said, it is a play on the genitalia.
[43:25] Also on the name Banksy I mentioned.
[43:29] Let me just very quickly describe it.
[43:30] I don't know why it would need a second description, the penis,
[43:34] the testicles and the ejaculate that if you could picture what
[43:38] that graffiti might look like around a pothole, that's what it
[43:41] is, exactly what the picturing is what it is.
[43:44] And then the name Banksy and genitalia blanks use good, but
[43:54] this I have to I have to give it to the artist their their name
[43:57] is a lot Dumber, lot funnier. Are we thinking it's super
[44:01] vulgar or are we thinking it's more like funny?
[44:05] Yeah, I won't. I won't call it like you will be
[44:09] expelled from school for saying it, but your teacher might ask
[44:12] you to step out of the class if you said it or not if that
[44:16] graduation helps. Oh I think I have it.
[44:19] You said British and it's you specifically said it's at the
[44:23] end of the ejaculate. So they use wanker a lot.
[44:26] So is it like wanksy? It's not it is.
[44:30] It is Wanxy. Oh.
[44:32] It is wanxy. The graffiti artist Wanxy and
[44:35] his work has been famous across potholes in the UK and he's been
[44:40] at this for a few years. It has been for the few years
[44:44] because I saw articles in 2015 and something more recent as
[44:47] well, so he's been around. I'm on my corporate work laptop
[44:51] and I'm sure they track everything, so they're not going
[44:54] to be happy that I just searched for Wanxy.
[44:59] Oh, his Instagram is funny. Yeah, these are graphic as.
[45:07] There's a Bloomberg interview where the first question is,
[45:12] first of all, why penises? And his response is I wanted
[45:16] something that would attract attention to the pothole and
[45:18] nothing's better than giant comedy penis.
[45:20] They're also quick to draw and nothing fills holes better.
[45:24] Truthfully, like this man does not make high art I guess.
[45:34] He's committed to the ACT. He's so committed.
[45:38] Wanksy. Did you see any of the Wanksy
[45:42] work in Georgia or? No.
[45:45] It just got you reading, yes? I think I just got interested in
[45:48] what other because of course everybody knows of banks.
[45:51] Anybody who's who's ever seen a beautiful piece of graffiti art
[45:56] and has been curious about it would have encountered Banks.
[45:59] He's. Reasonably famous online, but he
[46:01] probably hit mainstream fame with that image that just went
[46:05] down through like a shredder in the in the frame.
[46:11] I have like a couple of quick hitters that I think you'd
[46:15] probably get quickly, but I think it's pretty funny and cool
[46:18] for people to know. Go for it.
[46:22] The French Revolution, as we know, like the kick start for
[46:25] the French Revolution is famous incident called the storming of
[46:28] the Bastille, iconic prison in the east of Paris that housed
[46:33] some of the more like famous political prisoners as a sign of
[46:38] the royal strength, like exert power and so on.
[46:41] Voltaire was actually a prisoner in the Bastille because he made
[46:44] fun of the king at that time. So you know, it's like sentenced
[46:49] to jail for impunity sort of thing.
[46:52] So they've hosted a lot of iconic prisoners.
[46:55] I think even if I'm not wrong, Descartes was there for a little
[46:57] bit and so bunch of like famous French people.
[47:02] But one of the earlier prisoners in Bastille was this guy, huge
[47:06] Obrio. I forgive my absolute like
[47:12] besmirching of the name, but he was accused of heresy and
[47:15] extortion and was sent to the prison.
[47:20] He was famous before he went in for a for a different reason.
[47:24] And in general the leadership in Paris at that point was
[47:28] concerned about vulnerability of their eastern, eastern flank.
[47:33] So this person was entrusted with strengthening the city's
[47:37] defenses. What did he device to address
[47:41] the strengthening of it? Strengthening of Paris's
[47:44] defenses? OK.
[47:47] Sorry, what is the year? What time frame?
[47:50] Are we looking at the second-half of the 14th century?
[47:54] My. First thought is catapult.
[47:57] Like what Catapults? But that feels like it probably
[48:00] is an older thing. Yeah, I'd, I'd assume it's a
[48:03] little older because they, I think they were famous in the
[48:06] Crusades, which would have happened earlier.
[48:08] So we're talking about a specific weapon, like a
[48:10] defensive weapon. Is it?
[48:11] Something he's devised, something to fortify Paris's
[48:15] defenses. So not necessarily weapons.
[48:18] I was thinking weapons. I was going to say siege tower
[48:20] or battering ram, but yeah, that is not really defensive.
[48:23] Then I'm going to say trenches or not trenches.
[48:27] What is that thing called the mote?
[48:29] But is Mote that recent a thing? He's like it should be older as
[48:32] well. Yeah, I'd assume it's older as
[48:34] well because we like moats. I feel like you'd see images of
[48:38] moats in like these old even like the bio tapestry or all
[48:42] these like 10th century stuff. Wow, no, I can't think of
[48:46] something that would be defensively.
[48:50] Part of the reason I asked this question is there's a it's it's
[48:53] funny and there's a little bit of irony.
[48:56] Not sure if that helps but. He was a prisoner of a steel,
[48:59] but he was the one who was responsible for coming up with
[49:01] the defensive thing, right? Yeah, So what is he famous for?
[49:06] Irony. Let's look for irony.
[49:10] No. So I had no idea.
[49:11] I'm going to help you out a little.
[49:13] Tangentially trivia that I believe I've heard, I think on
[49:17] this podcast in an earlier episode, probably like in your
[49:21] 1st 20 episodes, I think it was either you or we need to ask the
[49:24] question about the patent of a fire hydrant or patent of a fire
[49:33] extinguisher or something was forever lost and we don't know
[49:36] who invented it because it went off in a fire.
[49:40] Right. And that is what inspired me to
[49:43] like look this up. Turns out this is the guy who
[49:46] designed and built the Bastille, and he was the first prisoner in
[49:50] the Bastille. Oh, OK.
[49:55] He's famous for having built the Bastille as a means to defend
[50:01] Paris's eastern front. And he was the first prisoner in
[50:05] the Bastille. Turns out it's not isolated.
[50:10] Apparently a lot of the people who designed like the Taj Mahal
[50:14] were, you know, buried nearby or killed under it.
[50:17] People who designed or built the pyramids were forced to, you
[50:22] know, be like, locked inside and stuff like that.
[50:24] So it was a funny recurring team that when I came across this, it
[50:28] reminded me of the other questions and I thought be fun
[50:30] to ask. I remember reading a list of
[50:34] inventions that have potentially led to the death of the person
[50:38] themselves, so either accidentally or by design, and
[50:42] some of them obviously tragic, some of them hilarious.
[50:45] So I think the tragic side more famously would be stuff like
[50:48] Meri Curie dying of. Radiation mercury is the example
[50:53] that comes to mind, yes, Yeah. And I think on the gaseous side,
[50:55] people who discovered carbon monoxide died of carbon monoxide
[50:59] poisoning. That kind of stuff has happened.
[51:02] The funny side is you design A prison and you get imprisoned,
[51:06] you design a fire extinguisher and you lose the patent in the
[51:10] fire and so you never make money from it.
[51:13] Those kind of things. There there is a lovely piece of
[51:18] trivia that is currently the specifics are escaping me.
[51:20] I'm not able to find it, but I'm pretty sure it was to do with,
[51:24] again, not exactly the same thing that we were talking
[51:26] about. But the idea that the Butler did
[51:28] it that very often encountered cliche in mystery novels is so
[51:34] irritating and infuriating that the first occurrence that we
[51:38] know of it historically is from, I believe, a 1930 novel.
[51:42] But the first reference to The Butler did it is from a piece
[51:48] criticizing or a basically a review of a novel from 1928.
[51:52] And in the 1928 review they have mentioned how annoying it is
[51:55] that they use the cliche of The Butler Did it.
[51:57] So the first historical usage of it is from a 1930 novel, but
[52:02] somebody getting annoyed by it is 1928.
[52:04] So it probably predates it, but we don't have proof of when it
[52:08] first started. But it has been around.
[52:10] The annoyance has been around for longer than, as far as we
[52:12] know, the first occurrence of the Butler did.
[52:15] Yeah. And I'd imagine that because the
[52:17] annoyance came so early, this isn't really something that
[52:21] happens often. Like, it might have happened at
[52:24] one time, then the annoyance and then a book about it.
[52:26] And then people are like, this is a cliche because I don't
[52:29] think any contemporary fiction has the Butler doing it.
[52:32] Clearly you have not watched 36 Chinatown and for anybody who's
[52:36] Upain Patel, Shahid Kapoor, Kareta Kapoor fan, I'm sorry for
[52:39] the spoiler, but I was so annoyed in the film because the
[52:43] entire film we are looking at it's a decent setup.
[52:46] Like you're like, oh, there are some interesting characters.
[52:48] Any of them could have done it. They all have potential motive
[52:51] and and have had a chance to commit the crime.
[52:54] And in the end it turns out the butlers who are not there
[52:56] throughout the film. It's not even like you saw the
[52:58] butlers. It just, it just rather be
[53:00] shoehorn in like oh by the way, these two butlers were in the
[53:03] background and they were annoyed at their employers so they
[53:05] killed them and you're like, so why did I waste that from
[53:08] following these other 6 characters who had nothing to do
[53:11] with the crime. It was the most annoyed I've
[53:13] ever at the end of a mystery film because the setup was fun.
[53:16] As I said, that sounds like double standards to me.
[53:18] You know, you and I invested 95 minutes into 6 random characters
[53:22] in The Usual Suspects. They are inconsequential to the
[53:25] plot, and yet you and I are waxing lyrical about the movie.
[53:29] Just come on. Like we, we got to, we got to
[53:33] be. So so so the reason?
[53:36] I've never watched 36 chat 30. 6 chat down and you just suspect
[53:40] should be at the same level for any cinephile out there.
[53:44] They're both equally great or equally bad.
[53:46] You decide. I love it you.
[53:49] You said you had a couple more questions.
[53:50] I'm going to let you end this square.
[53:52] So I think the last one I had came out of strict curiosity.
[53:57] My wife is an investment banker. She's been talking about mergers
[54:00] and acquisitions all the time. I I know that's a gross
[54:03] simplification of what she does, but that's just the buzzword
[54:06] that comes to mind. She recently announced a deal,
[54:10] which is a big deal when you're a investment banker that, you
[54:12] know, you're participated in a live deal that gets announced
[54:15] and it's like X acquired Y for Z and the Z is often like in like
[54:19] a few millions, few billions at like the larger scale.
[54:22] What I ended up going down that rabbit hole was finding out that
[54:26] the largest annual net loss reported by any company happened
[54:32] in 2001. The loss was $99 billion.
[54:40] Wow. And that got me like super
[54:42] curious, like why would any company have such a massive
[54:46] loss? Turns out the pair it was by a
[54:49] parent company that two years ago or a year ago, actually just
[54:53] one year before that had acquired made one of the largest
[54:56] acquisitions in technology history because the company was
[55:01] doing really well and then they were blindsidedbythe.com bubble.
[55:06] So it's one of the most ill informed acquisition decisions
[55:09] of all time. Like imagine, imagine like, I
[55:12] don't know, Ford acquiring Tesla today and tomorrow we find out
[55:16] electrical cars are like harmful for terrific cars cause cancer
[55:20] and there's a complete crash and no one ever used electrical
[55:22] something stupid like that. So my question to you is who
[55:27] acquired whom and posted such a massive loss?
[55:31] They were recently in the news because and the initial
[55:34] acquisition was massive as you can see by the scale of the
[55:36] loss. In 2015, the company was
[55:39] acquired by Verizon for 4 billion, just to put a context
[55:43] of how the valuation has changed in that time.
[55:46] So do you know who acquired whom and posted the largest loss in
[55:52] corporate history? Huge loss in 2001 becausethe.com
[55:57] bubble tech company recently acquired by Verizon for like a
[56:03] fraction of the price. This is interesting because I
[56:07] think I was listening to podcast recently and that's why my brain
[56:10] goes there. Immediately I want to say AOL
[56:12] Time Warner. That's the one, yeah.
[56:16] Yeah, it was AOL acquisition. They were just doing well
[56:20] 98992000. They were acquired at pretty
[56:23] much the highest valuation and then a massive crash.
[56:27] And I think Time Warner reported a $99 billion loss in their 2001
[56:32] financial statements, which is still late, the largest ever.
[56:36] Yeah, it's so funny that you imagine that history is done
[56:39] right, that that old cliche of like history has ended because
[56:43] you think that what is right now will probably be the status quo.
[56:46] And if anything is, she should have taught you that that is
[56:49] never going to be the case. And I remember one of the first
[56:52] instances of this and remember back in college and I was doing
[56:54] a computer engineering degree. So probably heard it in in a
[56:58] classroom somewhere where we were speaking about how Apple
[57:02] had made that very iconic 1984 ad where this young woman throws
[57:08] a hammer into this big screen, which is reminiscent of like a
[57:12] Big Brother and the novel 1984. And this was Apple fighting
[57:18] against IBM, which was the big, big dog back then.
[57:21] And I remember back in college somebody saying like now in
[57:23] retrospect, it should have been Microsoft.
[57:25] And now so many years later in 2025, even Microsoft doesn't
[57:29] seem to be the top dog. Probably Google, probably Meta.
[57:32] And even there now that you have somebody who has come up out of
[57:36] nowhere with chat GPD, not out of nowhere, but but not one of
[57:40] the big companies that GBT is pretty much a front runner in,
[57:44] in at least one niche for sure Open AI.
[57:48] And as soon as you started going down this route, my first
[57:51] thought went to Nokia. Like, I don't think any company
[57:55] has had as dominant a position in an industry as Nokia did in
[57:58] mobile phones until 2007 or 2008.
[58:02] Nokia I think was in such a dominant position that you
[58:06] needed to actively fumble or they needed to be the kind of
[58:09] paradigm shift that you see once in a generation and both
[58:14] happened simultaneously. So Nokia has I think it's such a
[58:17] great example of what we take for granted and assume is the
[58:21] way is not necessarily so Kodak in I think cameras and never
[58:28] seen a Kodak in like ages and. Biggest tech fumble though and I
[58:33] I don't know if there's been a case study that probably has and
[58:35] there should be. If not, is how did Skype mess up
[58:39] the COVID pandemic? Position perfectly.
[58:42] Yeah, you. Used to use the verb Skype
[58:44] someone. Yeah, I I'm going to Skype you,
[58:47] Mom, I'm going to Skype you to a friend or whatever.
[58:50] And now suddenly nobody's talking about Skype and Zoom,
[58:53] which I had never even heard of before, is the one thing that
[58:56] everybody's using. And, and The funny thing is the
[59:00] incumbents, when Skype was fumbling, we would have assumed
[59:04] as like Google meets or maybe Microsoft Teams and for Zoom to
[59:09] come out of nowhere. And it's like, I don't know, a
[59:12] pretty classic upset. Upset.
[59:17] Love that. Love that.
[59:18] OK. Do you have one last question
[59:20] for me, Sir? I do have like a tiny one, but
[59:23] this is more a trivia than like a question.
[59:27] I recently came across the Bechtel test, which for, like,
[59:31] those who don't know, it's like it's asking whether any work of
[59:35] art or fiction features at least two women having a conversation
[59:39] with each other about something other than a man.
[59:42] And I think it was super relevant in that, yeah, pop
[59:45] culture is always dominated by men.
[59:47] And this was a test to see if a movie passes, that this test has
[59:52] gained popularity. I think it a good.
[59:53] It's a good thing. Like, you know, you don't just
[59:55] have token women characters. But it also resulted in the rise
[59:58] of other tests, the blank test. Described as a Bechtel test for
[1:00:03] Muslims, so it was named after the British actor or musician
[1:00:09] after he gave a speech in the House of Commons calling for
[1:00:11] more diversity in film. Name that test not to be
[1:00:16] confused with like a common neologism that we have today.
[1:00:20] I'm going to read out some of the expectations of this test.
[1:00:25] The test asks whether a film or ATV show stars at least one
[1:00:29] character who's identifiably Muslim by ethnicity, language,
[1:00:33] clothing, or whatever. Does that character talk about
[1:00:39] the victim of or the perpetrator of Islamic terrorism?
[1:00:42] Is he presented is? Are they presented as
[1:00:44] irrationally angry? Are they presented as
[1:00:47] superstitious, culturally backwards or anti modern?
[1:00:51] Or are they presented as a threat to the Western way of
[1:00:53] life? And if they are male, are they
[1:00:56] presented as misogynistic? If they are female, are they
[1:00:59] presented as oppressed? So the this test, the blank test
[1:01:04] is to see whether there's any Muslim representation in
[1:01:07] mainstream pop culture that does not pass these.
[1:01:10] OK, I know because Begnell Test, yes, I've heard of that before.
[1:01:14] And I remember there was some offshoots from it.
[1:01:16] I think there's one for queer representation.
[1:01:18] I think there's one for I believe it was it was
[1:01:23] neurodivergent people as well. So I think that there are
[1:01:26] different tests for gauging how representative our pop culture
[1:01:31] is and pretty interesting to just know because any I think
[1:01:35] the use of these tests is not to criticize one specific film, but
[1:01:39] to see pop culture as a whole and see, like, not that every
[1:01:42] film has a responsibility to represent every single minority
[1:01:45] character in the most, you know, universal of life.
[1:01:49] It's more about like, are any movies doing it at all or not?
[1:01:52] Anyway, sorry, a random tangent. So I know what you're talking
[1:01:54] about. And it makes sense that somebody
[1:01:56] would have this test for Muslim characters as well.
[1:02:01] British actor, musician. I think that is what is leading
[1:02:05] me to. But I'm wondering what the, oh,
[1:02:08] the neurologism is. Riz Riz Ahmed.
[1:02:11] It's Riz Ahmed. So this is the, this is the RIZ
[1:02:14] test. Yeah, the RIZ Test and he's been
[1:02:17] a vocal champion for like representation and Riz Ahmed for
[1:02:24] our listeners, stars in what I think is the funniest movie ever
[1:02:29] made called 4 Lions. If you haven't watched it, I
[1:02:34] highly recommend you watch it tonight.
[1:02:35] You. You have made me watch it, Sir.
[1:02:38] You have been the one who made me watch it.
[1:02:40] I have made you watch it. Yes, I have made you watch it.
[1:02:43] We watched 4 Lions once at night in Singapore with a group of
[1:02:48] friends and a noise complaint was called by the neighbors
[1:02:51] because we were laughing so loud.
[1:02:52] I had completely forgot that Rezema was in it.
[1:02:54] The only reason the name was also Freshman Memory.
[1:02:56] Some reel I was watching recently was showing me a clip
[1:03:00] from one of my favorite films in the last.
[1:03:03] You said the last few years have not been the best in terms of
[1:03:05] mainstream films, but some of these other films have been so
[1:03:08] good. The Sound of Metal, Oh my God,
[1:03:10] it's such a good film and he's so good in it.
[1:03:13] He is so good in it. I believe it was Oscar
[1:03:16] nominated. I don't think he won an Oscar
[1:03:18] for it, but the film was nominated.
[1:03:21] He was also nominated. A bunch of nominations came
[1:03:24] their way. So for Sound of Metal and the
[1:03:27] other one that I remember him and I think I've recommended on
[1:03:30] the podcast before, I'm going to say it again, Night Crawler,
[1:03:32] where he's playing a supporting role to J Gyllenhaal.
[1:03:35] J Gyllenhaal is so good in that film.
[1:03:37] And then Rizemad is also a phenomenal actor, does a great
[1:03:40] job in Nightcrawler. So both these films where he's
[1:03:43] in, it's so good. Nightcrawler is a rough watch,
[1:03:46] like I mean it's fantastic movie but like it it really creeps you
[1:03:51] out. One of the films you watch once
[1:03:53] and you're done. Yeah.
[1:03:53] I don't know if I want to watch it again. 4 Lines reminds me.
[1:03:57] By the way, I don't know if you know the second film that you
[1:03:59] told me is also a really funny film and I took your word on it
[1:04:02] and I loved it. A fish named Wander A.
[1:04:05] Fish named Wander that your recommendation.
[1:04:07] I remember loving the film Completely unexpected used to
[1:04:11] give such good like unexpected recommendations.
[1:04:14] There were a few months or I think a few semesters in college
[1:04:17] where every semester I would come to you at the beginning of
[1:04:19] semester and ask you what TV show are you watching because
[1:04:22] you would be just like jazz before it became mainstream
[1:04:25] would be watching stuff. So I remember Game of Thrones.
[1:04:27] My claim to fame was Game of Thrones before, yeah, before the
[1:04:31] second season. That was one of the few who
[1:04:32] started it. Yeah, your Game of Thrones, your
[1:04:35] Modern Family house, I think you recommended.
[1:04:37] So there are these few things that I remember your
[1:04:40] recommendation convinced you to watch it and no regrets at all
[1:04:43] except, well, Game of Thrones last two seasons.
[1:04:45] I, I, I can't blame you for that, but.
[1:04:47] Yeah, let's let's not go into that.
[1:04:50] OK, lovely. Thank you so much.
[1:04:52] Thank you so much, Sai, for this amazing set of questions.
[1:04:55] This is probably going to be one of our longer episodes, but so
[1:04:58] worth it. So thank you.
[1:04:59] And for our listeners who joined us from the beginning and are
[1:05:04] curious to know what that piece of advertisement was, Sai,
[1:05:08] please do the honors. Yeah, it's your Z's waking up.
[1:05:12] So this is an ad for Nescafe. So we thought it was incredible
[1:05:17] because the font of the Z was the same one as the font that is
[1:05:21] used in the product and Z slowly wakes up, you're waking up from
[1:05:25] sleep. We thought it was such an
[1:05:26] incredible poster. And that is one of my favorite
[1:05:30] questions from the trivia that we did.
[1:05:32] And that brings us to the last segment where we do some
[1:05:36] recommendations, pop culture recommendations, society, any
[1:05:39] pop culture recommendations you have?
[1:05:41] So a couple of mainstream recommendations most of your
[1:05:44] listeners probably would have. But because I like I like
[1:05:47] reading books if the movie is about to come and I like reading
[1:05:50] it before it comes out. I only read Dune after it.
[1:05:54] Like I watched Dune one. I want to read it before Dune 2.
[1:05:56] What I recommend recently was Project Hail Mary.
[1:05:59] There's a Ryan Gosling movie coming out.
[1:06:01] The book is phenomenal. It's super approachable science
[1:06:05] fiction that is written in an incredibly attention grabbing
[1:06:08] way. So highly recommend that and I
[1:06:12] think no recommendation is going to top What are the 10 I spoke
[1:06:15] about an hour ago which was watching the movie The Man from
[1:06:19] Earth. Highly recommended, try not to
[1:06:21] read up anything about it and just find a way to stream that
[1:06:25] movie. So recommend The Man from Earth
[1:06:27] and I think those are the two things that I would say are top
[1:06:29] of my recent list. All right, perfect.
[1:06:32] As for my recommendation, I think I just saw the movie The
[1:06:37] Roses, Benedict Cumberbatch and Olivia Coleman.
[1:06:40] Hilarious. Just I, I know Benedict
[1:06:43] Cumberbatch has this up and down kind of a thing where people
[1:06:45] love him for something and then they're like, oh, he's
[1:06:47] overrated. But somehow in this movie, he,
[1:06:50] he, he proves his worth. So I loved it.
[1:06:52] Olivia Coleman, always reliable, great, great actor.
[1:06:56] And yeah, the bunch of movies that we recommended along the
[1:06:58] way that size also recommended. So all of those great films,
[1:07:01] check those out. And that brings me to the end of
[1:07:04] the podcast. Thanks so much for joining us.
[1:07:06] And the usual spiel. Go follow us on all of those
[1:07:10] platforms. We are on Instagram.
[1:07:12] We are on Reddit, R/IU quizzing me.
[1:07:15] We are on YouTube. Everywhere you listen to
[1:07:16] podcasts, you can listen to us and recommend this podcast if
[1:07:20] you think that somebody else in your life would enjoy random
[1:07:22] trivia, random banter, people making a fool out of themselves,
[1:07:26] mostly me trying to figure out very obvious questions.
[1:07:29] And that is the name of the game at IU quizzing me.
[1:07:32] Thanks so much for joining us. We will be back with another
[1:07:35] episode next week. And thank you so much, Sai, one
[1:07:38] more time. And as always, I would love to
[1:07:41] have you back soon. So we'll look forward to that as
[1:07:44] well. Yeah.
[1:07:44] See you guys next week. Thanks Aditya.
[1:07:48] See you all. Sorry, Bombay Monsoon's worst.

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