# S2 E1: It’s Not Just Reading

An episode of [Sold a Story](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1649580473), 15 Oct 2026, 21 min.

Audio: https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/5/dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/tracking.swap.fm/track/VnCzW2iO9G8z4eDWfXCd/play.publicradio.org/podcast/o/apmreports/sold_a_story/episodes/2026/10/15/sold_a_story_20261015_s2e1itsnotjustreading_128.mp3?awCollectionId=apm-SaS&awEpisodeId=01M49N916NJDJVTX7KS03F21XV

In the 1960s, an education outsider named Zig Engelmann begins challenging conventional ideas about what young children can learn. He teaches his 4-year-old twins basic algebra. But he has a hard time getting anyone in education to take him seriously, until a professor gives him a chance to see if his ideas will work in a classroom. Read: What is Direct Instruction? Video: The 5 key concepts of DI Video: Who was Zig Engelmann? Read: Transcript of this episode Support: Donate to APM Reports Email us: soldastory@apmreports.org Call us: (612) 888-7323 More: soldastory.org Dive deeper into Sold a Story with a weekly email newsletter from host Emily Hanford.

Shows are listed from Apple Podcasts' charts and directory, and Podcast Index where it is used. Every show and episode belongs to its publisher and plays from the publisher's own feed; this site hosts none of them.