# AI Experts Debate: Overhyped or Underhyped? (Opposite Opinions) Mo Gawdat & Steven Kotler | EP #177

An episode of [Moonshots with Peter Diamandis](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1648228034), 13 Jun 2025, 1 h 31 min.

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Get access to metatrends 10+ years before anyone else - https://qr.diamandis.com/metatrends Mo Gawdat is an author and former CBO of Google X. Steven Kotler is an entrepreneur and a multiple New York Times Best-Selling Author. – Offers for my audience: You can access my talks with Mo Gawdat and Cathie Wood for free: diamandis.com/summit Test what’s going on inside your body at https://qr.diamandis.com/fountainlifepodcast Reverse the age of my skin using the same cream at https://qr.diamandis.com/oneskinpod -- Connect with Mo: https://www.mogawdat.com/ Connect with Steven: https://www.stevenkotler.com/ -- Connect with Peter: X Instagram Listen to MOONSHOTS: Apple YouTube – *Recorded June 2025 *Views are my own thoughts; not Financial, Medical, or Legal Advice. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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