# 1001: Evil Is As Evil Does | Secret Podcast

An episode of [The Next Level](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1647085571), 25 Jul 2025, 27 min.

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Sarah and JVL talk about Hulk Hogan, MAGA’s coming pivot on Ghislaine Maxwell, and Derek Huffman, the MAGA dad who joined Putin’s war on Ukraine. And the new Superman movie, too. It’s a doozy. This is a special preview of an episode that’s JUST for paid Bulwark subscribers. If you’d like to hear the full episode, you can subscribe via thebulwark.com, YouTube, or right through Apple Podcasts!

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