# 1090: Secret Podcast: JD Vance. Ross Douthat. 'Nuff Said.

An episode of [The Next Level](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1647085571), 20 Jun 2026, 20 min.

Audio: https://clrtpod.com/m/pscrb.fm/rss/p/dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/audioboom.com/posts/8918869.mp3?modified=1781915349&sid=5114287&source=rss

The Iran war deal is falling apart (already). Israel is turning on Trump. And the two most insipid trad-Cath poasters in America are podcasting together again. Plus: JVL (finally) explains his disdain for the NYT’s DEI Trump apologist. Read JVL's Triad newsletter: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trumps-iran-hawks-found-a-way-to-love-surrender

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