# 1023: Secret Podcast: Success in a Failing Country

An episode of [The Next Level](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1647085571), 11 Oct 2025, 19 min.

Audio: https://clrtpod.com/m/pscrb.fm/rss/p/dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/audioboom.com/posts/8790217.mp3?modified=1760212105&sid=5114287&source=rss

This week Sarah and JVL did something they haven’t done for a couple of years: they just . . . hung out and asked each other questions. Some stuff about life. Some stuff about The Bulwark. Some stuff about the world. Hope you enjoy listening as much as they enjoyed visiting with each other.

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