# The Start of Something New (High School Musical)

An episode of [And That's What You REALLY Missed](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1645980188), 8 Sep 2025, 53 min.

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It's the post-Glee era and the start of something new! Kevin and Jenna are back with the rewatch podcast format you know and love, but this time, they're focusing on iconic musicals! First up, the Disney movie that introduced musicals to a whole new generation - “High School Musical!” The duo shares their thoughts on the casting, performances, plot, soundtrack, and their obsession with the legendary Kenny Ortega! Plus, the Glee connection! Kevin shares his audition story for HSM, singing the soundtrack with Demi Lovato when they were teens, and they unpack the viral HSM Naya Rivera theory! For fun, exclusive content, and behind-the-scenes clips, follow us on Instagram @andthatswhatyoureallymissedpod & TikTok @thatswhatyoureallymissed! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
[0:04] Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
[0:09] Speaker 1: Welcome to you, and that's what you're really miss podcast.
[0:13] Speaker 1: Welcome to the new era of the podcast.
[0:17] Speaker 2: Kevin, this is it, Jenna, this is post Glee, and
[0:20] Speaker 2: that's what you really missed. But we're not stopping with
[0:23] Speaker 2: the musicals. You know, we have a theme, we have
[0:25] Speaker 2: what we like. We're taking everything we loved about the
[0:28] Speaker 2: rewatch and just expanding it to other musical things, musical movies, stories,
[0:34] Speaker 2: all the guests, all the people that worked on these things,
[0:36] Speaker 2: people that enjoyed making and watching these things.
[0:39] Speaker 1: Kevin, we talked about deeply, in depth about what we
[0:42] Speaker 1: wanted to do post Glee era, right, and I think
[0:46] Speaker 1: the thing that was like the most exciting for us
[0:49] Speaker 1: and we thought for like you guys, because we were
[0:52] Speaker 1: all raised by these musicals and they're all so encompassing
[0:56] Speaker 1: of the show and of our lives. And so we're
[0:59] Speaker 1: diving into some of the most iconic musical movies ever,
[1:03] Speaker 1: from Rocky Horror to Hairspray, I mean, Greece, Chicago, West
[1:09] Speaker 1: Side Story, High School Musical, I mean, you name it, Like,
[1:12] Speaker 1: they're all newsies, like there's just so many that inspired
[1:16] Speaker 1: and influenced and even appeared in Glee.
[1:20] Speaker 2: Wicked Part one and two. Oh god, I can't we're
[1:23] Speaker 2: doing it all. Also, we're not just doing movies. We're
[1:26] Speaker 2: gonna do some TV as well, like Smash in Nashville
[1:30] Speaker 2: and Crazy Ex Girlfriend Girls five EVA, and you know
[1:33] Speaker 2: those random musical episodes if you feel like, if your
[1:36] Speaker 2: show's on long enough, you're gonna do a musical episode
[1:38] Speaker 2: like Grey's Anatomy and The Flash. And we're just so
[1:42] Speaker 2: excited to get to watch all of these, some of
[1:44] Speaker 2: these for the first time. Yeah, some of them. We're
[1:47] Speaker 2: gonna have more fans on and see what you guys.
[1:50] Speaker 1: Like, you're going to ask you, you're gonna tell us,
[1:52] Speaker 1: and we're gonna watch it right exactly. We'll also be
[1:56] Speaker 1: joined by a lot of the very special guests, you know,
[1:58] Speaker 1: the stars of the movies, the creators, the people who
[2:00] Speaker 1: brought these projects all to life. And even though our
[2:04] Speaker 1: Glee rewatch has wrapped obviously, Kevin, you said it like,
[2:07] Speaker 1: we're not leaving the show behind at all. They'll be
[2:10] Speaker 1: so much Glee within this podcast.
[2:13] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, we're going to have so many
[2:15] Speaker 2: of our Glee friends on there's also inherently baked into
[2:19] Speaker 2: a lot of these musical TV shows and movies, so
[2:21] Speaker 2: many Glee people in front of the camera and behind
[2:25] Speaker 2: the camera. And we're going to keep you updated and
[2:27] Speaker 2: all the things that our friends are doing. And we
[2:32] Speaker 2: Jenna and I talked extensively about you know how much
[2:36] Speaker 2: it's meant for all of us on the iHeart side
[2:39] Speaker 2: of this and to me and Jenna specifically from your support,
[2:42] Speaker 2: and we want to keep that going. So we're going
[2:44] Speaker 2: to be interviewing a lot more fans as well talking
[2:47] Speaker 2: about Glee and you know, finding new fans of these
[2:51] Speaker 2: new shows and movies that we're going to be watching.
[2:54] Speaker 1: So buckle up, people.
[2:56] Speaker 2: That being said, we had to start the show and
[3:02] Speaker 2: the only possible way imaginable, which is high school Musical.
[3:06] Speaker 1: Oh my god.
[3:07] Speaker 2: It basically brought back the musical for a whole new generation,
[3:12] Speaker 2: and honestly, without it, I don't know if Glee would
[3:15] Speaker 2: have happened.
[3:16] Speaker 1: We're very different from High School Musical obviously, but the
[3:21] Speaker 1: amount of interviews there were like, okay, so high school Musical, well,
[3:26] Speaker 1: high School Musical paved the way. I mean, it came
[3:29] Speaker 1: out in two thousand and six. It was also massive.
[3:33] Speaker 2: I mean it was absolutely gigantic, and it was new
[3:36] Speaker 2: musical for a new generation with the original music, and
[3:41] Speaker 2: I think people hadn't seen that, those kids that age
[3:44] Speaker 2: hadn't seen that yet. And when Glee came out, it
[3:48] Speaker 2: was the next musical, and so we were naturally compared.
[3:53] Speaker 2: Even like when we were negotiating our contracts for the pilot,
[3:57] Speaker 2: it was based off of high school musical contract because
[4:01] Speaker 2: they had touring in there, they had their march in there. Yeah,
[4:05] Speaker 2: they had to that.
[4:06] Speaker 1: It was American Idol.
[4:07] Speaker 2: Well, it was both because they had to have because
[4:10] Speaker 2: normally a TV show wouldn't have a touring and album
[4:15] Speaker 2: you know deal in there. So they had to make
[4:19] Speaker 2: sure all those things were covered because high school musical
[4:21] Speaker 2: became so gigantic that they went on tours and that
[4:26] Speaker 2: was the only sort of model to base right right,
[4:30] Speaker 2: right right, and people. You know, we were hoping that
[4:32] Speaker 2: we'd have some fraction of the high school musical success
[4:36] Speaker 2: because it absolutely sort of took over the world.
[4:39] Speaker 1: Okay, so before we get into our normal structure, we
[4:43] Speaker 1: are going to like kind of go through what was
[4:44] Speaker 1: going on in the world. We're going to do the
[4:48] Speaker 1: reactions and light recap. Uh, we're going to talk about
[4:52] Speaker 1: the plot a little bit, but we're keeping the same format.
[4:54] Speaker 1: So you guys will hear us creating performances. You will
[4:56] Speaker 1: hear us doing TARTI takes to hear us doing stuff
[4:59] Speaker 1: with on anti TikTok, and then we'll also tell you
[5:02] Speaker 1: what we're watching next to so if you want to
[5:04] Speaker 1: watch it, like I would have suggested or suggest that
[5:07] Speaker 1: you guys watch high School Musical before you listen to it,
[5:09] Speaker 1: because what a time jump, what a capsule of time,
[5:12] Speaker 1: what a what a moment.
[5:15] Speaker 2: I also just think, like you probably all have seen it,
[5:19] Speaker 2: and but like you should go. And also just how
[5:24] Speaker 2: young everybody was and how everybody became just like stars
[5:29] Speaker 2: off of this one TV movie.
[5:33] Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about it. So in the news,
[5:36] Speaker 1: what was going on in the world. The number one
[5:37] Speaker 1: song was Grills by Nelly.
[5:41] Speaker 2: Do you remember this song? I really don't want to
[5:44] Speaker 2: see your grails?
[5:45] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[5:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, your grails by the Julie store and tell me
[5:51] Speaker 2: smile for me, daddy, what you're looking at? I want
[5:54] Speaker 2: to see your grail? You want to see my what?
[5:57] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[5:57] Speaker 2: You're gril?
[5:58] Speaker 1: You're great? Oh?
[6:00] Speaker 2: It was great.
[6:01] Speaker 1: That's the only time you've ever done the number one song, Kevin.
[6:05] Speaker 2: I immediately I read that and it just pops into
[6:08] Speaker 2: my head. Paul Wall, do you remember Paul Wall. Paul
[6:11] Speaker 2: Wall would have the grills. He had a grill shop
[6:13] Speaker 2: like store, you would make grills. Okay, Okay, Jenna doesn't
[6:19] Speaker 2: get it, you guys.
[6:20] Speaker 1: No, No, just like this number one movie, Underworld Evolution.
[6:23] Speaker 1: Didn't see it.
[6:24] Speaker 2: I didn't see any of the Underworld movies.
[6:26] Speaker 1: There's definitely these like vampire Zeitgeist thing happening in time
[6:32] Speaker 1: around this time. Obvious right because this aired, sorry on
[6:35] Speaker 1: January twentieth, two thousand and six, we're starting to see
[6:39] Speaker 1: the Twilight faster.
[6:42] Speaker 2: It's Fester's the word, that's right. Yeah, there's no Glee
[6:47] Speaker 2: news since Glee did not exist yet and won't exist
[6:50] Speaker 2: for a couple of years. But there's some pop culture moments.
[6:53] Speaker 2: So American Idol was the number one show in the US.
[6:55] Speaker 2: Season five had just started with Taylor Hicks Katherin mcpee.
[7:00] Speaker 2: We're going to watch Smash and Chris Daughtry lost. Desperate Housewives,
[7:05] Speaker 2: Gray's Anatomy, and prison Break were also dominating primetime.
[7:09] Speaker 1: I Love I'm into the TV. Yeah. Yeah. Social media
[7:14] Speaker 1: was just starting to creep in. So Facebook was limited
[7:16] Speaker 1: to college students. I remember signing up for it. YouTube
[7:20] Speaker 1: was less than a year old, Oh my god, and
[7:23] Speaker 1: my Space was still the biggest platform.
[7:25] Speaker 2: Do you remember with Facebook you had to like get
[7:27] Speaker 2: an invite from somebody before you could Yep, felt very exclusive.
[7:32] Speaker 2: You had to use your college email. Well I was,
[7:36] Speaker 2: you were in it before me, so I probably got
[7:38] Speaker 2: it on that next wave right right right. iPods were
[7:41] Speaker 2: at peak popularity, and the High School Musical soundtrack would
[7:45] Speaker 2: later be one of the most downloaded albums on iTunes
[7:47] Speaker 2: of two thousand and six.
[7:49] Speaker 1: Wow fashion, Oh my god, take me back von Dutch hats.
[7:54] Speaker 1: How many did you have? Had? Eight boots? Like three zero?
[8:00] Speaker 1: Layered polos everywhere, so many layered polos, so many jeene skirts.
[8:04] Speaker 2: I fought against all of these trends, Jenna.
[8:07] Speaker 1: I was just I dove head first, head first, It's
[8:13] Speaker 1: all I wore. Okay. So this was directed by the
[8:15] Speaker 1: one and only Kenny Ortega Kevin.
[8:18] Speaker 2: I mean, Kenny Ortega is a legend. I mean he
[8:22] Speaker 2: directed Newsz's Pocus Pocus Chetah Girls two. The Three Descendants films.
[8:28] Speaker 2: He's choreographed for Xanadu, saying almost fire pretty in pink,
[8:31] Speaker 2: Ferris Bueller, Dirty dancing.
[8:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, don't skip over dirty dancing, Kevin.
[8:36] Speaker 2: Oh, I emphasize dirty.
[8:37] Speaker 1: Kenny Ortiga did dirty dancing. This is the sound trick
[8:43] Speaker 1: to my life. It is the movie that plays in
[8:44] Speaker 1: my mind. It was this was before high school musical,
[8:48] Speaker 1: This is before it all. This is Greece, this is eighties,
[8:51] Speaker 1: this is Xanadu. This is like he is oh God,
[8:57] Speaker 1: like he is it for me?
[8:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And he also worked on tours for everyone, Kiss,
[9:04] Speaker 2: Olivia Newton, John cher Madonna, Miley, Michael Jackson. I mean,
[9:10] Speaker 2: if anybody saw the Michael Jackson movie, this is it
[9:12] Speaker 2: after he passed away all over that.
[9:16] Speaker 1: So talking about the Cherry Picker.
[9:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So Kenny Ortega, they brought in the big
[9:22] Speaker 2: guns here, which was smart. I feel like Kenny Ortega
[9:25] Speaker 2: because he's done so many different things. He's worked with
[9:28] Speaker 2: Disney a lot. He understands this demographic. This was written
[9:33] Speaker 2: by Peter Barsacchini.
[9:37] Speaker 1: And there's so many stars in this that were stars
[9:41] Speaker 1: after this movie.
[9:43] Speaker 2: Everyone, Zach Efron, Vanessa Hutchins, Ashley Tisdale, Lucas, Grabiel, Corvin, Blue,
[9:47] Speaker 2: Monique Coleman, Bart Johnson, Alison Reed, like everybody.
[9:52] Speaker 1: Wow, wow, wow wow. Yeah, there's a lot of really
[9:57] Speaker 1: great songs, iconic numbers in this that begins with in
[10:04] Speaker 1: the first thirty seconds of the movie. Maybe a little
[10:09] Speaker 1: more than that, but started something new with Troy and Gabriella.
[10:12] Speaker 2: Literally it was the start of something new. Get you
[10:16] Speaker 2: ahead in the game, like come.
[10:19] Speaker 1: On, oh my god, what a number. Okay, what I've
[10:22] Speaker 1: been looking for? And then also the one I've been
[10:24] Speaker 1: looking for Rupriez.
[10:26] Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there's two different versions here. You gotta get
[10:29] Speaker 2: that Ryan and Sharpai Din the Troy and Gabriella version.
[10:34] Speaker 2: It's had too Billy. So Demmy Lovado when you first
[10:39] Speaker 2: moved to California, her family lived with my family. They
[10:43] Speaker 2: moved in with us for a little bit, and Demmy
[10:45] Speaker 2: and I would sing the high school musical soundtrack together
[10:49] Speaker 2: all the time. She would like, get on my keyboard
[10:52] Speaker 2: and we would do the Troy and Gabriella.
[10:55] Speaker 1: Doo yeah what what a sentence.
[11:01] Speaker 2: All the time. All the time she was thirteen, I
[11:04] Speaker 2: was like sixteen.
[11:05] Speaker 1: I remember you talking about her and saying how wildly
[11:07] Speaker 1: talented she is, and it's just ridiculous.
[11:09] Speaker 3: See all the time insane stick to the status quo,
[11:15] Speaker 3: when there was me and you, bop to the top,
[11:20] Speaker 3: breaking free.
[11:22] Speaker 2: The best and we're all in this together.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Oh my god. So High School Musical was originally just
[11:28] Speaker 1: a working title while producers searched for a better name.
[11:33] Speaker 1: By post production, no better options are found, so they
[11:36] Speaker 1: just stuck with it.
[11:37] Speaker 2: I like that. I liked it because even when people
[11:39] Speaker 2: get weird about like song title names, they like use
[11:43] Speaker 2: a word that it's not even in the song, and
[11:44] Speaker 2: everyone ends up calling it something else, like just call
[11:47] Speaker 2: it that.
[11:48] Speaker 1: It was called that what. I can't imagine if being
[11:50] Speaker 1: called anything else. Yeah.
[11:52] Speaker 2: Writer Peter Barzacini named Gabriella after his daughter and based
[11:56] Speaker 2: Troy on his late father, who had been a basketball coach.
[11:59] Speaker 1: So over six hundred teen's auditioned for the movie, and
[12:01] Speaker 1: Vanessa Hudgens beat out twelve of their girls at callbacks,
[12:04] Speaker 1: where they sang and danced all day for the role
[12:07] Speaker 1: of Gabriella. I auditioned for this, you did, I did? Honestly,
[12:11] Speaker 1: this makes sense though, this is like a total wheelhouse.
[12:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know what it was.
[12:16] Speaker 1: Did you want audition for Troy or was it like
[12:18] Speaker 1: just a general.
[12:20] Speaker 2: I think I remember going on. I think it was
[12:23] Speaker 2: on the Universal backlot. I mean, why is that Disney?
[12:25] Speaker 1: Wow?
[12:26] Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I did not do well.
[12:29] Speaker 2: It was one of my worst auditions. In fact, Naya
[12:33] Speaker 2: Rivera also auditioned, while Disney originally wanted Cassie Steele but
[12:37] Speaker 2: heard a grassy schedule conflicted and she had to drop out.
[12:40] Speaker 1: Whoa, We have to talk about the Naya of it all?
[12:43] Speaker 1: So do you know what this controversy on? TikTok?
[12:47] Speaker 4: No?
[12:49] Speaker 1: How do I know this?
[12:51] Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
[12:52] Speaker 1: You know? Obviously we know that Drew Seely doubled for
[12:56] Speaker 1: zax Boys and did the hybrid. Yeah, there is a
[13:00] Speaker 1: song that Vanessa sings that the lower notes either sound
[13:05] Speaker 1: modified for her or somebody else punched in to do them,
[13:11] Speaker 1: and the voice sounds so eerily like Nya's it's scary.
[13:17] Speaker 2: Oh, we did talk about this. We talked about this, Yes,
[13:20] Speaker 2: we've talked about this. She would have told us, yeah,
[13:23] Speaker 2: and I don't think they would have, like Vanessa sang
[13:25] Speaker 2: all of her stuff, Like, why would they have somebody
[13:26] Speaker 2: punch in on some lower notes. It just doesn't make
[13:28] Speaker 2: any sense.
[13:32] Speaker 1: So they modified it. You think they fixed it to
[13:34] Speaker 1: get her to hit those notes. Yeah, it does sound
[13:37] Speaker 1: like her. I don't think it sounds like Naya. I
[13:41] Speaker 1: don't think it's Nya. I don't it's definitely not Vanessa.
[13:45] Speaker 1: I don't think it's Vanessa. But I don't think it's Naya.
[13:48] Speaker 2: I think that's probably like the writer of the song
[13:51] Speaker 2: or something, you know, like somebody punched it in. Definitely,
[13:56] Speaker 2: it is wild. I mean they were doing that with Zach,
[13:59] Speaker 2: like in an out when it would get to the
[14:01] Speaker 2: speaking parts, or like the beginning of the song, the
[14:03] Speaker 2: very end of the song would be Zach, the rest
[14:04] Speaker 2: of it would be Drew Selee. Sometimes sometimes it was
[14:07] Speaker 2: just completely Drew seely. So they weren't above doing that clearly.
[14:12] Speaker 1: Yeah. No, definitely.
[14:14] Speaker 2: And it wasn't like slick like it wasn't Yeah, yeah.
[14:18] Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I don't think they cared all that much.
[14:21] Speaker 2: No, okay.
[14:23] Speaker 1: Ashley Tisdale originally auditioned for Gabriella, but was cast to
[14:27] Speaker 1: Sharpei after auditioning with Lucas Grabiel, who had first auditioned
[14:30] Speaker 1: for Troy before being cast as Ryan.
[14:32] Speaker 2: And corn Blue also considered auditing for Ryan. After watching
[14:36] Speaker 2: grave Bield Dance, he switched to Chad and won the part.
[14:39] Speaker 1: The movie only had ten days of rehearsal Kevin, It
[14:41] Speaker 1: was shot in just twenty four days, with all the
[14:44] Speaker 1: songs being recorded before filming even began.
[14:46] Speaker 2: That makes sense. The cast completed two weeks of intense
[14:50] Speaker 2: dance rehearsals to prepare.
[14:52] Speaker 1: And like we mentioned, zac efron singing voice was dubbed
[14:55] Speaker 1: by Drew Sille, who had auditioned for Troy, seely saying
[14:58] Speaker 1: all of gets ahead in the game reprise of what
[15:00] Speaker 1: I've been looking for and most of the duets.
[15:03] Speaker 2: I was obsessed with his voice when this came out.
[15:06] Speaker 2: Drew's voice was everything I wanted to have.
[15:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it's beautiful.
[15:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unbelievable. I'm still upset watching this movie last
[15:15] Speaker 2: Night's still upset that my voice is not that high.
[15:19] Speaker 2: It was important that the songs were radio friendly so
[15:21] Speaker 2: they could play on radio.
[15:22] Speaker 1: Disney Yeah and High School Musical was Disney Channel's most
[15:26] Speaker 1: successful movie at the time, with seven point seven million
[15:29] Speaker 1: viewers on premiere night.
[15:30] Speaker 2: Wow Too broke down later that year. You know it,
[15:35] Speaker 2: but High School Musical two still holds that record with
[15:40] Speaker 2: seventeen point two million viewers. Jeez, they more than doubled
[15:46] Speaker 2: what they originally had.
[15:48] Speaker 1: So it was one of the first films ever sold
[15:51] Speaker 1: on the iTunes store, groundbreaking.
[15:54] Speaker 2: It was considered lightning in a bottle, of course, before
[15:57] Speaker 2: High School Musical, Disney Channel was seen mostly as the
[16:00] Speaker 2: company's kids cable channel.
[16:02] Speaker 1: And the only two billion dollar franchises on Disney our
[16:11] Speaker 1: High School Musical and Hannah Montana.
[16:13] Speaker 2: This movie was so big Michael Jackson watched it and
[16:16] Speaker 2: called Zac Efron to say they enjoyed the movie.
[16:23] Speaker 1: Oh my god, he'sack.
[16:27] Speaker 2: It's Michael, I really enjoyed your movie.
[16:31] Speaker 1: And I guess Ephron cried because yeah, I would cry too.
[16:43] Speaker 1: Give me the official summary.
[16:45] Speaker 2: Oh you ready, Jenna, I'm ready. Troy and Gabriella meet
[16:49] Speaker 2: unexpectedly during their winter vacation, without knowing that Gabriella is
[16:53] Speaker 2: transferring to East High Troy's school. There, Gabriella and Troy
[16:58] Speaker 2: are encouraged to audition or the new musical, rivaling the
[17:02] Speaker 2: talented siblings Sharpay and Ryan. As they overcome their fear
[17:05] Speaker 2: of trying out for the play, they have the whole
[17:08] Speaker 2: school challenge the status quo.
[17:10] Speaker 1: It's funny because after like obviously you have like Breakfast Club,
[17:17] Speaker 1: you have the John Hughes high school films with the stereotypes,
[17:23] Speaker 1: you know, these underdog characters, these romantic you know, sixteen
[17:29] Speaker 1: Candles esque shows, but like movies, but I don't remember
[17:35] Speaker 1: the last time there was or ever that there was
[17:37] Speaker 1: one about a musical like this, right, and like we
[17:42] Speaker 1: talked about in Glee, like the musical numbers lend itself
[17:48] Speaker 1: to like breaking out because you're in a high school
[17:51] Speaker 1: that has a musical theater program and there's a musical
[17:54] Speaker 1: and so this was like really groundbreaking in a lot
[17:59] Speaker 1: of ways. While playing into those stereotypes, I'm thinking, like
[18:03] Speaker 1: the mean Girls, you know why mean Girls did so well.
[18:06] Speaker 1: It's like you lean into those stereotypes and then you
[18:09] Speaker 1: like break them and you break the mold. I was
[18:14] Speaker 1: like transported in this movie back to the early two thousands. Yes,
[18:21] Speaker 1: it's very strange now watching it again after watching Glee,
[18:24] Speaker 1: because they're so different in so many ways. I mean
[18:28] Speaker 1: just from tone and look and style production, like it's
[18:35] Speaker 1: all so different. But I there was like a part
[18:43] Speaker 1: of that. It was kind of jarring to me because
[18:45] Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's kind of like looser and
[18:48] Speaker 1: less produced in some ways, like the musical numbers, you know,
[18:52] Speaker 1: it was more Kenny's style than this polished you know
[18:58] Speaker 1: kind of yeah this sheene that you know you put
[19:03] Speaker 1: over Glee.
[19:05] Speaker 2: So well, I think part of that is budget, purely
[19:09] Speaker 2: just budget. They shot this in twenty four days, which
[19:14] Speaker 2: is insane.
[19:15] Speaker 1: It's an indie film, does that mean?
[19:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think they did this like for no
[19:19] Speaker 2: money basically, and then it became the biggest thing in
[19:22] Speaker 2: the world. And it feels like that. It feels a
[19:25] Speaker 2: little rough around the edges. But like, I think the
[19:28] Speaker 2: demographic you're appealing to with this, like I was in
[19:30] Speaker 2: high school when this came out, they don't really care.
[19:33] Speaker 2: They're not noticing those those little things and watching. Yeah,
[19:39] Speaker 2: and I think just seeing like god, the status quo
[19:44] Speaker 2: challenged is like a trope and it works really well,
[19:49] Speaker 2: Like it doesn't need to be overly complicated. I think
[19:52] Speaker 2: seeing somebody in like the Disney Way where like they're
[19:55] Speaker 2: not calling you know.
[19:57] Speaker 1: They're good.
[19:58] Speaker 2: They called Troy everything but gay for auditioning.
[20:03] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[20:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's it's like a.
[20:06] Speaker 2: Clean, good, fun and then you know, they don't protest
[20:09] Speaker 2: it for too long, right, and everybody.
[20:13] Speaker 1: It's like the Disney model, right, Like Disney had such
[20:17] Speaker 1: a specific it still has such a specific brand of
[20:20] Speaker 1: like who their audience is, who they're speaking to, how
[20:26] Speaker 1: they're speaking to them, how they're not speaking to them.
[20:30] Speaker 1: And it's almost like as an actor when you and
[20:33] Speaker 1: I'm sure you experienced this, probably more than I did
[20:36] Speaker 1: because I was kind of in the New York scene
[20:37] Speaker 1: at this time, but like every kid who was in
[20:41] Speaker 1: LA auditioning for zers auditioning for Disney shows. Yeah, and
[20:44] Speaker 1: it's a very specific style.
[20:48] Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I spent my early teens like never
[20:52] Speaker 2: Filled the Future. Yeah, like that was the one I
[20:54] Speaker 2: got closest on, and I like went to network. Wow,
[20:59] Speaker 2: But like I had to learn how to like Disney
[21:02] Speaker 2: do the Disney acting.
[21:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's acting coaches that do Disney specifically, because it's
[21:07] Speaker 1: like doing a multiicam versus like doing a single camera,
[21:10] Speaker 1: which for people who don't know, the multiicam is like
[21:13] Speaker 1: like friends or what's another one big bang? Yeah, or
[21:19] Speaker 1: what's an younger one, like I don't know, two have
[21:22] Speaker 1: like all of those right, really ages this, but but
[21:28] Speaker 1: doing it in front of a live audience, much bigger,
[21:30] Speaker 1: much more stage kind of theatrical versus the single cam,
[21:34] Speaker 1: you know, like like modern Family, right half hour and
[21:39] Speaker 1: and and it's so specific and you have to it's
[21:43] Speaker 1: kind of like it takes a little getting used to. Almost,
[21:46] Speaker 1: like the jokes hit different, the punchlines are different. Like
[21:49] Speaker 1: it's just it's a style.
[21:51] Speaker 2: I had a similar reaction watching this as I did
[21:56] Speaker 2: to watching the later seasons of Glee, because when this
[22:00] Speaker 2: movie came out, I was a bit of a hater.
[22:07] Speaker 1: This movie.
[22:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was just like, I don't know, hypercritical,
[22:13] Speaker 2: a little pretentious about like musicals. I was obsessed with
[22:17] Speaker 2: the Chicago movie and so like they were doing a
[22:20] Speaker 2: musical and like I loved Moulin Rouge, you know, and
[22:24] Speaker 2: then this came out and this is like the next musical.
[22:26] Speaker 2: I'm like, what is stylistically very different? I'm like, this
[22:30] Speaker 2: is trash. Yes, However, I was obsessed with the music,
[22:35] Speaker 2: obsessed with everybody in it.
[22:36] Speaker 1: Yep.
[22:37] Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily watch it on repeat, but I listened
[22:39] Speaker 2: to the music on repeat, and then I was, to
[22:43] Speaker 2: be honest, I was I was dreading it a little bit.
[22:45] Speaker 2: Last night that I had to watch it, and I
[22:50] Speaker 2: had the time of my life. It flew by. I
[22:57] Speaker 2: literally would get I got up like twice during it
[22:59] Speaker 2: and ran into the other room where Austin was and
[23:01] Speaker 2: I'm like, you got to come out here. Like I
[23:05] Speaker 2: had the greatest time and I got it because like
[23:08] Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here, I'm not judging it. I know
[23:11] Speaker 2: what it is, and like they were all so good.
[23:14] Speaker 2: Everybody did so well without the context that they did
[23:18] Speaker 2: this in two weeks basically or three weeks, Like who
[23:24] Speaker 2: like it is? It works so so it's not over complicated.
[23:27] Speaker 2: There's some like story holes you know that don't really
[23:31] Speaker 2: get answered, Like it doesn't doesn't have story holes, do
[23:33] Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like yeah, like it doesn't matter,
[23:35] Speaker 2: but you know why it doesn't matter. I think three things.
[23:41] Speaker 2: Here's my thesis. Analysis analysis the actors. They cast this
[23:49] Speaker 2: movie so well. Everybody's star yep. I think Vanessa Hudgens
[23:55] Speaker 2: some of that dialogue is real question and she gets
[23:59] Speaker 2: away with murder. Yes, she does everything that comes out
[24:03] Speaker 2: of her mouth. I'm like, I buy it. You are
[24:05] Speaker 2: so sweet, You're so good Zach. Zach has always been
[24:09] Speaker 2: a great actor. I think I'm just everybody. Ashley Tisdale,
[24:14] Speaker 2: Lucas grabil phenomenal. Also like Lucas surprise stand out for
[24:19] Speaker 2: me and this rewatch. So that's one. Two you did
[24:25] Speaker 2: not ask for this, but give it to me. Two.
[24:28] Speaker 2: I think the Kenny Ortega of it all. I mean,
[24:31] Speaker 2: like he understands precision and it being clean like Newsy's
[24:35] Speaker 2: is just perfection, right, Like he understands that. But this,
[24:40] Speaker 2: more than anything, he captures like the right feeling. Yes,
[24:44] Speaker 2: is what it is.
[24:46] Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good director, right, It's like all
[24:47] Speaker 1: the things he's done are so different and he like
[24:50] Speaker 1: he like breathes the world and like creates it and
[24:53] Speaker 1: it leans into it.
[24:54] Speaker 2: Right, let's see what it is. It doesn't complicate it is.
[24:57] Speaker 2: It's just a simple thing. I think the numbnumber one
[25:00] Speaker 2: takeaway from this and this is really obvious. But this
[25:04] Speaker 2: music is really good. These songs are so good. It
[25:12] Speaker 2: is so hard to write original music for something like this,
[25:16] Speaker 2: you know it's TV, you know it's Disney, and not
[25:18] Speaker 2: have it feel like it's just filler. Yes, Like, oh,
[25:21] Speaker 2: I'm just going to plug in. There's a relationship. Okay,
[25:23] Speaker 2: We're just going to do it.
[25:25] Speaker 1: There was a lot of stork in this. This is
[25:27] Speaker 1: the story, we're telling story. It's driving the plot, yes,
[25:31] Speaker 1: driving the story. It's driving the characters. It's it's it's
[25:34] Speaker 1: like the characters are developed as simple as they may
[25:38] Speaker 1: come across, right, they are. They are just clear, they
[25:45] Speaker 1: are concise. They are driven by both the actors and
[25:48] Speaker 1: the story and Kenny, and they are relatable, where these
[25:54] Speaker 1: stereotypical book nartworm you know, Jock couldn't possibly veer into
[26:01] Speaker 1: something else that is seen as unconventional, right, Yeah. I
[26:09] Speaker 1: it's funny because I actually didn't watch this when it
[26:12] Speaker 1: came out. I was a total theater nerd, and I
[26:17] Speaker 1: was like, I was also like very pretentious in that theater,
[26:24] Speaker 1: pretentious in that time of like how could a musical
[26:27] Speaker 1: on TV about high school kids practically succeed in this way?
[26:33] Speaker 1: You know, it's like we've been working our thoughts off.
[26:35] Speaker 1: It's like, shut up, Like it's actually really enjoyable. But
[26:40] Speaker 1: I didn't watch it until I think closer to when
[26:43] Speaker 1: I moved here for Glee. Really m hmmm mm hmm.
[26:49] Speaker 1: And I remember vaguely watching high school musical you perhaps,
[26:56] Speaker 1: and what year did that come out? So maybe I
[26:57] Speaker 1: did watch it. It was a year after. Wow, that's fast. No,
[27:01] Speaker 1: maybe it was high school musical. Was there a three?
[27:03] Speaker 2: Three? Was like in theaters?
[27:06] Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Is this the one where he dances
[27:08] Speaker 1: in the golf course?
[27:09] Speaker 2: No, that's two.
[27:10] Speaker 1: Okay, so I watched too, so I must have seen
[27:13] Speaker 1: it then entire real time. So that was Actually I
[27:16] Speaker 1: was still in New York, but there was like a
[27:18] Speaker 1: sense of I don't know, seeing it through different lens
[27:20] Speaker 1: this time around last night that was like, is this
[27:25] Speaker 1: is this a little Disney afied for me? Yes? Stylistically
[27:29] Speaker 1: like I didn't have the time of my life watching
[27:32] Speaker 1: it like you did. Yeah, but I appreciate it, like
[27:37] Speaker 1: they were great, the performances were great, the world was there,
[27:42] Speaker 1: like all the things lined up for me because I.
[27:47] Speaker 2: Think I haven't seen it since we did Glee and
[27:49] Speaker 2: then obviously just watching it, and I think it's easy
[27:53] Speaker 2: to take it all for granted. Everything. It's easy to
[27:58] Speaker 2: take how hard it is to act one on a
[28:01] Speaker 2: Disney movie or TV show and two to act in
[28:06] Speaker 2: a musical and perform it like that, and everybody I
[28:10] Speaker 2: didn't see one ounce of doubt and everybody's in anybody's eyes.
[28:15] Speaker 1: That's probably because Kenny, you know what I mean?
[28:17] Speaker 2: Just like it's like Zach is not even saying is
[28:20] Speaker 2: not He's lip singing to somebody else's voice.
[28:22] Speaker 1: And you never know. I literally was like you never know?
[28:26] Speaker 2: Bought and sold.
[28:35] Speaker 1: Can we talk about some of these favorite moments from
[28:39] Speaker 1: the musical, Like obviously all the musical numbers were really fun,
[28:44] Speaker 1: especially like the Glee Cheerios numbers for me, like get
[28:50] Speaker 1: you ahead in the game, Oh my God, like stick
[28:54] Speaker 1: to the status quo, like the cafeteria, like totally in
[28:59] Speaker 1: into it. But the auditions, the bad auditions really.
[29:04] Speaker 2: Got me phenomenal, and I remember each of those.
[29:10] Speaker 1: I have to say, it actually takes a talented person
[29:13] Speaker 1: to do a bad audition, believably. It's almost it's like
[29:19] Speaker 1: it's like playing somebody who's inebriated, right or intoxicated on something.
[29:26] Speaker 1: You have to play against it and not play into it,
[29:29] Speaker 1: or it's not as funny. And these guys were like
[29:33] Speaker 1: so badly good.
[29:38] Speaker 2: And it went on for a long time.
[29:41] Speaker 1: I also feel like Kenny lives in that world so
[29:44] Speaker 1: deeply that, like you, you've seen so many bad auditions
[29:48] Speaker 1: that like whatever he told them or whatever they came
[29:50] Speaker 1: in with was like, that's it, Like I've seen this
[29:53] Speaker 1: one hundred times before. You're just you're you could be talented,
[29:58] Speaker 1: there's potential, but you're not there yet.
[30:01] Speaker 2: My favorite one was the last girl who almost looked
[30:06] Speaker 2: embarrassed as she was doing it, but still did it.
[30:10] Speaker 2: And I made up a whole backstory for her because
[30:13] Speaker 2: I was like, she works behind the scenes on this
[30:15] Speaker 2: movie and they needed somebody. Somebody went up to karaoke
[30:19] Speaker 2: with her and saw that she loves it but cannot sing,
[30:23] Speaker 2: and so they're like, we need you to do that
[30:26] Speaker 2: and just sing your face off, like commit to it,
[30:30] Speaker 2: like you're in your car, and that was like her
[30:33] Speaker 2: real voice, and she did it. No offense to that girl.
[30:37] Speaker 1: The girl who is winking at it's the most awkward
[30:43] Speaker 1: thing when you're sitting behind a table as a producer,
[30:46] Speaker 1: director somebody and they're staring straight in the eyes. There's
[30:50] Speaker 1: actually nothing worse. And we've seen it time and time again,
[30:54] Speaker 1: and it's one of those rules. It's like a big
[30:56] Speaker 1: no no. So I just appreciated seeing that one.
[31:01] Speaker 2: You know, what's such a skill, like all the things
[31:04] Speaker 2: you just mentioned, like get you ahead in the game,
[31:08] Speaker 2: stick to the status quo, and these auditions they're all
[31:11] Speaker 2: like the cliche musical or high school movie tropes. Yep,
[31:18] Speaker 2: and yet we remember all of these ones so specifically,
[31:23] Speaker 2: like to be able to take a basketball practice and
[31:27] Speaker 2: like make it into The choreography is not complicated, but
[31:31] Speaker 2: it looks great. It looks like high school students could
[31:34] Speaker 2: actually do this, and it's it's synchronous, it is, and
[31:39] Speaker 2: it has your moments of drama. It has like the spotlight,
[31:42] Speaker 2: it has you know, it plays with that, but it
[31:45] Speaker 2: also like you're doing these beauty. He shoots dance properly.
[31:49] Speaker 1: Oh, yes it does. Yes, he does, Yes, it does, Yes,
[31:52] Speaker 1: he does.
[31:53] Speaker 2: He shoots dance properly.
[31:55] Speaker 1: He's done this before.
[31:56] Speaker 2: Nobody. I don't think anybody today shoots dance properly. I'm
[32:01] Speaker 2: going down with that ship. I don't think anybody does.
[32:05] Speaker 2: I have yet to see it.
[32:07] Speaker 1: Since I won't name names, fine, I'm not that bold.
[32:12] Speaker 1: But for Kenny, Kenny is the beginning and the shoots dance.
[32:17] Speaker 1: Probably he's like to build out that high school cafeteria.
[32:20] Speaker 1: We're not getting a lot of angles. No, it's all
[32:23] Speaker 1: like proscenium, right, it's all like facing out. But man,
[32:27] Speaker 1: he spaces it, he shoots it. It's it's just it
[32:32] Speaker 1: all works as an independent number. Yes, musical numbers. He's
[32:37] Speaker 1: shooting musical numbers. Music videos, Yes, pieces of music, music
[32:42] Speaker 1: videos within the movie.
[32:44] Speaker 2: We're all in this together. He's like, use it. We're
[32:46] Speaker 2: doing to bring it online and start that off. But
[32:49] Speaker 2: like all of it feels unique and special to this world,
[32:53] Speaker 2: to the high school musical world.
[32:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, try and Gabrielle to meet in on vacation and
[33:00] Speaker 1: they get stuck pinned together accidentally. I guess.
[33:04] Speaker 2: Oh, it's a real loose, real loose plot here.
[33:08] Speaker 1: Just throwing spotlights on them, start or something new. They
[33:12] Speaker 1: meet each other, They're like, let's keep in touch. They
[33:15] Speaker 1: don't keep in touch. He's like I looked. She's like,
[33:17] Speaker 1: I look for you. He's like, I had to leave
[33:20] Speaker 1: the next day. I have your number, but I had
[33:21] Speaker 1: to leave the next day.
[33:22] Speaker 2: Plot also, they like took pictures of each other, but
[33:25] Speaker 2: like when did they? I I feel like, on paper,
[33:29] Speaker 2: there's no reason why this movie should.
[33:31] Speaker 1: Have worked totally. But they made it. They leaned in.
[33:35] Speaker 1: They just believed it so deeply that we believed it,
[33:38] Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Yes, they end up
[33:42] Speaker 1: she gets transferred to the school. They are both in
[33:45] Speaker 1: their lanes. He's basketball jock, she's the you know, math nerd.
[33:52] Speaker 1: And they decide that they're going to audition for the musical.
[33:56] Speaker 1: And they're Archie Nemesis, Becolm Sharpey and and Ryan brother
[34:02] Speaker 1: and sister duo wonderful Polish duo who lead the drama club,
[34:08] Speaker 1: do the drama Club. They are the Drama Club. And
[34:11] Speaker 1: so when these two threatening figures come in, they're like,
[34:14] Speaker 1: what are we going to do?
[34:16] Speaker 2: Shout out to Ashley, because I mean.
[34:18] Speaker 1: She's she also makes like a mean character likable do that? No.
[34:25] Speaker 2: I was like, it's that line of she leans in
[34:28] Speaker 2: where she needs to lean in, and it's like she's
[34:30] Speaker 2: sort of awful sometimes but not terrible, Like you don't, well, that's.
[34:36] Speaker 1: The joy of what it's actually it is terrible, but
[34:38] Speaker 1: she's actually she makes it not so terrible. Like if
[34:41] Speaker 1: you read that on paper, you're like, I bet you
[34:44] Speaker 1: the audition was like you know when you go on
[34:46] Speaker 1: an audition and you come out and they call you
[34:48] Speaker 1: back and they're like, can you make it not as mean?
[34:50] Speaker 1: But everything on the page is mean. She did that.
[34:53] Speaker 1: She came back and she was like, I'm making this
[34:55] Speaker 1: not mean, I'm gonna make this character likable.
[34:58] Speaker 2: In any moment there was like when she snapped, except
[35:00] Speaker 2: the girl who wrote the whole musical, it's like delicious
[35:06] Speaker 2: and earned, and so I feel like.
[35:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, she does a great job. They do. I mean,
[35:13] Speaker 1: they're so so great in this and they're just like,
[35:16] Speaker 1: it's such a nice contrast to Troy and Gabriella, and
[35:20] Speaker 1: so they evil Knievel. They plot out that they're going
[35:26] Speaker 1: to to move the audition the callbacks up to the
[35:29] Speaker 1: time of the decathlon and of the of the finals
[35:33] Speaker 1: right right.
[35:34] Speaker 2: Because Gabrielle is a smart one, She's gonna they want
[35:36] Speaker 2: her and like the nerdy friends want her to do
[35:39] Speaker 2: the decathlon, and obviously Troy and all his basketball friends
[35:42] Speaker 2: want him to go to the championship game, which also
[35:46] Speaker 2: is funny because at one point in the movie they
[35:48] Speaker 2: refer to it as a playoff game, like you've already
[35:52] Speaker 2: said this is the championship game, and later on you
[35:54] Speaker 2: say it's the championship game again, So what is it, folks.
[35:58] Speaker 1: What is it? What is it? They also, I have
[36:02] Speaker 1: to say the scene where Gabriella they like show the
[36:05] Speaker 1: video of Troy saying that she doesn't mean anything and
[36:07] Speaker 1: they're going to go win the final and then she
[36:10] Speaker 1: just cries and they're like, do you want to go
[36:11] Speaker 1: to lunch?
[36:15] Speaker 4: I was like, whoa, whoa, she's crying, she's giving us tears,
[36:22] Speaker 4: and they're like, well, we're gonna be at lunch, come
[36:25] Speaker 4: join us.
[36:27] Speaker 2: You know what I really loved was the mixing of
[36:31] Speaker 2: all these different groups that clicks in high school, that
[36:35] Speaker 2: don't get along, but they all teamed up because they
[36:37] Speaker 2: have the same goal. Even though it was bad.
[36:40] Speaker 1: There's something about like the community coming together for one
[36:44] Speaker 1: shared thing that's neither than themselves.
[36:46] Speaker 2: It's like to break up this couple basically from doing
[36:49] Speaker 2: what they really want to do. The nerds and the
[36:52] Speaker 2: jocks got to get together to convince Gabriella, you know
[36:57] Speaker 2: that she has to go to the decathlon or the
[37:00] Speaker 2: athletes whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, and Troy has to
[37:05] Speaker 2: go to the championship game because like, Troy doesn't respect
[37:11] Speaker 2: Gabriella and Gabriella doesn't actually like Troy.
[37:13] Speaker 1: Right, But how quickly they were to change their tune
[37:20] Speaker 1: because I was mad at them both. I was like
[37:22] Speaker 1: the groups. I was like Wow, you guys are really
[37:25] Speaker 1: very selfish right now, these kids obviously want to do
[37:27] Speaker 1: the musical. Wow, how selfish could you be? And then
[37:31] Speaker 1: all of a sudden and they're like, we're so sorry,
[37:34] Speaker 1: we didn't mean it.
[37:36] Speaker 2: I love that because you do. I'm like, it's exhausting
[37:39] Speaker 2: sort of watching its kind of high.
[37:41] Speaker 1: School like very fair Weather, you know, very fair Weather.
[37:47] Speaker 1: I feel like both of these musicals, both Glee and
[37:50] Speaker 1: High School Musical, they have these ideas of what show
[37:54] Speaker 1: choir is, what high school is like. Do you think
[37:58] Speaker 1: either of them were more accurate to you or come
[38:03] Speaker 1: across as a realer version? Are they both kind of
[38:06] Speaker 1: like suspended in this disbelief?
[38:09] Speaker 2: I feel like they're more suspended and disbelief, both of them, right, Yeah,
[38:14] Speaker 2: both of them. They're both camp They're both heightened in
[38:18] Speaker 2: a number of ways. I think the things that motivate
[38:21] Speaker 2: them are very real. I think, you know, Gabriella joining
[38:25] Speaker 2: a school and you know, wanting to be low key
[38:29] Speaker 2: and not be singled out as being like really smart,
[38:33] Speaker 2: even you know that stops her from auditioning for the musical.
[38:36] Speaker 2: That all makes a lot of sense, Like been there,
[38:40] Speaker 2: done that, same for Troy and it's very like Troy's
[38:43] Speaker 2: storyline is very similar to Finn's storyline, and I think,
[38:49] Speaker 2: you know, you want to be a leader, but it's
[38:51] Speaker 2: also like that age of discovery about yourself and it's like, oh,
[38:56] Speaker 2: I also do enjoy this thing, And like I think
[38:58] Speaker 2: we all have those moments in high school where its like,
[39:00] Speaker 2: well we have this, like you know, like stick to
[39:02] Speaker 2: the status quo when you each have like your own
[39:04] Speaker 2: little private thing but that you know people at school
[39:07] Speaker 2: are going to like make fun of you for and
[39:09] Speaker 2: you hide it.
[39:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[39:10] Speaker 2: And I think both of these shows, you know, movie
[39:14] Speaker 2: or show, do a good job of like using that
[39:17] Speaker 2: thing based in reality and then just kind of going
[39:21] Speaker 2: heightening it. I think Lee was sort of like the
[39:24] Speaker 2: what's the word the anti high school musical in a
[39:28] Speaker 2: lot of ways, because like we came out high Schoos
[39:30] Speaker 2: came out, was clean, it was bright, yeah, well you
[39:35] Speaker 2: know it was Disney.
[39:37] Speaker 1: It felt more my high school felt more like high
[39:39] Speaker 1: school musical. Like I just felt like more based in
[39:45] Speaker 1: this sense of camp but reality, Like I probably would
[39:51] Speaker 1: have gotten dressed up in a costume to do a
[39:54] Speaker 1: callback like that felt real to me, you know, and
[40:00] Speaker 1: maybe not the stereotypical jock, you know, having to give
[40:05] Speaker 1: choose one or the other because our school we did
[40:07] Speaker 1: have jocks in our theater program and it was like
[40:10] Speaker 1: cool to be in our theater program. So it was
[40:12] Speaker 1: a little bit different, but like it felt more based
[40:15] Speaker 1: in reality to me, whereas Glee felt like heightened to
[40:19] Speaker 1: the tenth degree and grounded to the tenth degree. So
[40:22] Speaker 1: we're just stretching the van I think a little bit
[40:25] Speaker 1: farther for Glee, and like just the world was bigger, brighter,
[40:30] Speaker 1: more expensive in a lot of ways, and I think
[40:33] Speaker 1: high school musical was rooted in a little bit more
[40:35] Speaker 1: of that, like relatable. I don't know, this is the
[40:39] Speaker 1: relatable stereotypes. I don't know, it's hard to explain.
[40:41] Speaker 2: But also, like the world itself, there weren't big set pieces,
[40:47] Speaker 2: you know, like all those things grounded. Yes, yes, yes,
[40:50] Speaker 2: it feels more relatable. You weren't having your you know,
[40:56] Speaker 2: art pop applause set and rare set right right, Yes,
[41:01] Speaker 2: So I totally agree with what you're saying. I think
[41:04] Speaker 2: it feels more real because it is it exists within
[41:07] Speaker 2: the confines of like what high school actually is. Where
[41:11] Speaker 2: Glee there's obviously a lot more going on than what
[41:15] Speaker 2: a normal high school could afford to do.
[41:18] Speaker 1: Before we rate the songs, I have a question for you.
[41:23] Speaker 1: If you were in Engley and you watched high School
[41:27] Speaker 1: Musical and then you watch Glee, which one do you
[41:29] Speaker 1: think you would have related more to or found yourself
[41:34] Speaker 1: watching more.
[41:37] Speaker 2: I think Glee only because I liked the darker humor
[41:41] Speaker 2: of it. I wasn't someone who liked the the bright
[41:45] Speaker 2: and squeaky clean stuff.
[41:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[41:47] Speaker 2: I liked like the slight snarkiness and meanness of Glee. Yes,
[41:53] Speaker 2: And I liked you know them them us doing current
[41:59] Speaker 2: songs be said, I think they both scratch a different.
[42:02] Speaker 1: Hitch, totally, totally.
[42:04] Speaker 2: That's the thing about you.
[42:05] Speaker 1: I don't know that like original songs to me hit
[42:09] Speaker 1: as hard or slap as hard as like the forties
[42:14] Speaker 1: and the top forties kind of like and just the
[42:18] Speaker 1: I don't know the scale of songs that we did.
[42:21] Speaker 1: You know, I think the music may Glee more kind
[42:25] Speaker 1: of relatable and attractive to me. But I think you're right.
[42:30] Speaker 1: I think they do scratch a different che And that's
[42:32] Speaker 1: why I like in all of our interviews and stuff,
[42:34] Speaker 1: we'd be like we appreciate high school musical for the
[42:37] Speaker 1: paving the way, but like we are in high school musical, right,
[42:40] Speaker 1: we're much darker than high school musical. It's I think
[42:42] Speaker 1: the answer that we gave a lot.
[42:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think it would have worked without it,
[42:46] Speaker 2: because you need sort of like the antithesis of it.
[42:48] Speaker 2: Totally totally need that bright spot to show here's a
[42:51] Speaker 2: different version, and you need to sy Leicester. So yeah,
[42:56] Speaker 2: but I mean that being said about original music, it's
[42:59] Speaker 2: a great it's an easier entryway point in, I think,
[43:03] Speaker 2: but the way in which high school musical was able
[43:06] Speaker 2: to build in their original songs like everybody already knew them,
[43:10] Speaker 2: like they existed in that universe already, Like when Troy
[43:13] Speaker 2: and Gabriella meet and are doing that song at karaoke,
[43:17] Speaker 2: like that's an original song but they both know it
[43:20] Speaker 2: and we just buy it and we accept it. I
[43:22] Speaker 2: really like that. And I think because those songs are
[43:26] Speaker 2: so like earwarmy and hooky and pleasant that you just
[43:33] Speaker 2: want to hear more of them. But I think that's
[43:35] Speaker 2: an exception to the rule. I think that's just really
[43:37] Speaker 2: hard to do.
[43:38] Speaker 1: I agree with you. I also just wanted to point
[43:43] Speaker 1: out that I love when Troy Bolton is looking over
[43:45] Speaker 1: the shoulder Kelsey at the music and I'm like, At first,
[43:48] Speaker 1: I was like, is he reading right now?
[43:53] Speaker 2: And beyond that, I was like, oh, they've given up
[43:55] Speaker 2: looking down at the lyrics. Yea, almost immediately, but like again, who,
[44:02] Speaker 2: I'm just so excited there's two more of these. Oh,
[44:05] Speaker 2: we're gonna have to watch them, Jenna.
[44:07] Speaker 1: Definitely. I got to see from the day one success
[44:12] Speaker 1: to like where the budget was.
[44:14] Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, because I want to know if
[44:16] Speaker 2: it grows, if the realism lessens a little bit because
[44:21] Speaker 2: the budget gets bigger. Like I bet the pilot of
[44:24] Speaker 2: Glee was way more expensive than the entirety of this movie.
[44:28] Speaker 1: Oh, hands down, I mean.
[44:32] Speaker 2: I bet it was.
[44:33] Speaker 1: No, you're right, You're right. It's also original music. Yeah,
[44:37] Speaker 1: you know we didn't have to license. Don't stop believing.
[44:41] Speaker 2: Do you think when you first watched this movie. Let's
[44:45] Speaker 2: say it was in two thousand and six, and I
[44:47] Speaker 2: remember where I was when I first watched this movie,
[44:50] Speaker 2: like where I was sitting and I watched it by
[44:52] Speaker 2: myself in the family room. Would you have wanted more
[45:00] Speaker 2: high school musical?
[45:02] Speaker 1: That's a good question. Well, I don't know that I
[45:06] Speaker 1: can answer that properly. But what I do know is
[45:08] Speaker 1: I watched too, right, So yes.
[45:14] Speaker 2: Like we we were probably both those people who like
[45:17] Speaker 2: secretly not secretly like we hated it.
[45:20] Speaker 1: We're like, I have to watch this thing. I'm gonna
[45:22] Speaker 1: watch the thing. But then you're like, well, I guess
[45:24] Speaker 1: i'll watch the.
[45:25] Speaker 2: Next There's only so much musical stuff out there exactly,
[45:28] Speaker 2: and we were both into it, so and now I'll
[45:30] Speaker 2: watch it and judge it whatever.
[45:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And then you're like, well, I guess I'll
[45:34] Speaker 1: watch a second. Then I guess i'll watch it third. Okay,
[45:45] Speaker 1: let's let's create performances. Now started something new B plus
[45:51] Speaker 1: Yeah plus, we haven't need somewhere to.
[45:54] Speaker 2: Gory A plus but yeah, B plus.
[45:57] Speaker 1: Get ahead in the game. A A. What I'm looking for.
[46:04] Speaker 2: They're so good. I actually it's so funny, Like I
[46:08] Speaker 2: remember how I felt watching them and how much I
[46:12] Speaker 2: didn't like them because I wasn't supposed to.
[46:14] Speaker 1: Like them run out but the.
[46:16] Speaker 2: Number, But now I enjoyed them so much because I'm like,
[46:20] Speaker 2: they're both so good.
[46:21] Speaker 1: I think I'm giving you today.
[46:23] Speaker 2: I think so too.
[46:24] Speaker 1: And what I've been looking for reprise A half plus
[46:32] Speaker 1: Somewhere to Go. I think that was my favorite sing
[46:35] Speaker 1: uh stick this asquo a A that when there was
[46:41] Speaker 1: me and you be Bop to the Top. Honestly banger
[46:48] Speaker 1: a Breaking Free the Top. Hated it growing up really
[46:52] Speaker 1: now loved it totally. That's one of those things too,
[46:55] Speaker 1: where my Daly been like a musical filler. But like
[46:58] Speaker 1: those they made it they Yeah, I bought into it.
[47:03] Speaker 1: I bought into it. Breaking Free A.
[47:05] Speaker 2: Plus A plus like breaking Free is it? Breaking Free
[47:09] Speaker 2: is the one?
[47:10] Speaker 1: We're all in this together a A. I remember while
[47:14] Speaker 1: we were in Glee rehearsals, like doing the clap. Yes,
[47:18] Speaker 1: it's so iconic. Yeah, it's iconical, Kevin iconical chartie takes.
[47:23] Speaker 1: Let's we're doing our first arty takes in this new.
[47:26] Speaker 2: Iconical era, going to find anything cringe?
[47:31] Speaker 1: I mean maybe there wasn't really anything out or the cringe,
[47:35] Speaker 1: except for like the fact that we weren't naming like
[47:39] Speaker 1: Troy Bolton and calling Tribolton guy. And they're like, let's
[47:43] Speaker 1: let's do this stereotypical thing and not really name it
[47:46] Speaker 1: but just kind of allude to it. It's just fine,
[47:50] Speaker 1: best dance move. We're all in this together.
[47:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all in this together, followed by Kitchet Oh
[47:57] Speaker 2: oh yeah, I think I think a box step. Lucas
[48:01] Speaker 2: Grabiel was also up there.
[48:04] Speaker 1: Best song.
[48:10] Speaker 2: Mine are what I've been looking for Reprise and Breaking Free,
[48:14] Speaker 2: Breaking Free, So I sing these songs all the time.
[48:21] Speaker 3: By the you Do Yeah, like I don't remember them.
[48:24] Speaker 1: I don't remember them like you do.
[48:26] Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.
[48:28] Speaker 1: Best perference, my prop. I really like the cell phones.
[48:33] Speaker 1: It really like from the start, I was like, this
[48:36] Speaker 1: is where we are now, I know this time period correct.
[48:40] Speaker 2: I liked the cake.
[48:43] Speaker 1: Of course you did oh.
[48:44] Speaker 2: I also like the Go Drama Club shirts and Ryan
[48:48] Speaker 2: couldn't beat it.
[48:52] Speaker 1: I like the line Sharpey and zcav where he's like,
[48:58] Speaker 1: maybe you can watch his plays balls and she's like,
[49:00] Speaker 1: I'd rather stick pins in my eyes, and then she
[49:03] Speaker 1: was like evaborate, tall person.
[49:06] Speaker 2: I also like Sharpay saying Kelsey my sod off some time.
[49:10] Speaker 1: I guess performs MVP. I mean Vanessa honestly like group effort.
[49:18] Speaker 1: Vanessa and Zach obviously like held this thing, but like
[49:21] Speaker 1: group effort.
[49:23] Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna yeah Vanessa and Zach, I was
[49:28] Speaker 2: gonna see if I could just do one of them,
[49:29] Speaker 2: but I think it has to be both of them. Okay, okay, Jenna,
[49:33] Speaker 2: shit we found on TikTok spell word. I don't know
[49:37] Speaker 2: if I'm doing this. He does the River Deep, Mountain
[49:42] Speaker 2: high trend, but he also says, pov I'm your ra
[49:45] Speaker 2: oh and he has a full find your Glee and
[49:48] Speaker 2: Honors board.
[49:50] Speaker 1: Oh my god.
[49:51] Speaker 2: Spencer with a slushie on his door are a Spencer.
[49:57] Speaker 2: And then he does the run.
[49:58] Speaker 1: Yes, he does the run. We love the run.
[50:00] Speaker 2: It's so good. I also, I just I'm tickled by
[50:03] Speaker 2: that that trend, that that run is still a thing
[50:07] Speaker 2: that really makes me happy. And also like how why
[50:11] Speaker 2: I don't know, but really love it. Jen, I really
[50:16] Speaker 2: enjoyed High School Musical.
[50:19] Speaker 1: I did too, I really did. I. I was a
[50:23] Speaker 1: little shocked at first. I was like, oh God, we
[50:26] Speaker 1: have to watch this musical TV show. I've just been
[50:30] Speaker 1: it's been a minute, and I was like, I think
[50:34] Speaker 1: I had a notion about it. And when I got
[50:36] Speaker 1: into it, I was like I got to lean in
[50:38] Speaker 1: like everybody else in this movie leaned, and overall I
[50:41] Speaker 1: thought it was exactly what I had hoped for.
[50:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad that's the thing that became really big. Yes,
[50:50] Speaker 2: I got feel good about it. Yeah, me too, Me
[50:52] Speaker 2: too deserved. So we have some very exciting things coming.
[50:57] Speaker 2: We're talking to coach Bolton himself and fellow iHeartRadio podcast
[51:02] Speaker 2: host Bart Johnson and Ryan Evans. Lucas Grayville is also
[51:08] Speaker 2: going to come on the show and talk to us.
[51:11] Speaker 1: So iconic.
[51:13] Speaker 2: I can't questions ready for him because, oh my god,
[51:16] Speaker 2: he's a friend of mine. He's become a friend of
[51:17] Speaker 2: mine post Glee and.
[51:20] Speaker 1: Won the World's Collide.
[51:21] Speaker 2: Kevin, and I always ask him so many questions.
[51:25] Speaker 1: I can't wait to ask him all the questions. I
[51:27] Speaker 1: have so many questions.
[51:28] Speaker 2: I'll just reask a lot of them because O great,
[51:30] Speaker 2: because we never got to like we were constantly compared
[51:32] Speaker 2: to high school musical, but we weren't really close with
[51:35] Speaker 2: anybody from high school musical yep, And we never got
[51:38] Speaker 2: to sort of exchange stories or information like how does
[51:42] Speaker 2: this work? Yeah, and afterwards I'm like, would you guys
[51:46] Speaker 2: get paid?
[51:47] Speaker 1: Oh my god, Well we're not asking that, Kevin.
[51:50] Speaker 2: No, But the technical things like how did tour work
[51:52] Speaker 2: for you guys? How did you like? I'm in my
[51:54] Speaker 2: contracts like yeah, is obviously like that was all worked
[51:57] Speaker 2: into our contract because High School Musical had had done that,
[52:00] Speaker 2: it could be a thing.
[52:01] Speaker 1: Well, come back and we have lots of really fun
[52:06] Speaker 1: musical reviews and shows and movies. We hope you guys
[52:11] Speaker 1: enjoyed this. Please let us know how we did.
[52:14] Speaker 2: Before you go, we have to give you your assignment
[52:16] Speaker 2: for next week. A little heads up, you know, the
[52:20] Speaker 2: opposite of mister Shue. We're actually planning in advance so
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