# The Feeling Glee Leaves You With

An episode of [And That's What You REALLY Missed](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1645980188), 1 Sep 2025, 38 min.

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Glee took viewers on an emotional rollercoaster ride every week, but what feelings did it leave the cast and crew with? It’s the question Kevin and Jenna wrap up every guest interview with: What is the feeling that Glee leaves you with? Now, they’re revisiting some of their favorite answers from cast and crew - including Matthew Morrison, Dianna Agron, Darren Criss, Amber Riley, Jane Lynch, and more. And for the first time, they finally share their own answers too! For fun, exclusive content, and behind-the-scenes clips, follow us on Instagram @andthatswhatyoureallymissedpod & TikTok @thatswhatyoureallymissed! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
[0:04] Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
[0:09] Speaker 1: Welcome to and that's what you really this podcast. Ah,
[0:14] Speaker 1: here we are. We're at the end of our GLEI era.
[0:17] Speaker 1: Oh and it feels appropriate, only appropriate to ask ourselves
[0:25] Speaker 1: and for me to ask you and you to ask me, Kevin,
[0:28] Speaker 1: what is the feeling that leaves you with? But first,
[0:32] Speaker 1: if you've listened to the show at all for the
[0:35] Speaker 1: last three years, which thank you for coming on this
[0:38] Speaker 1: journey with us, you've heard us ask all of our
[0:41] Speaker 1: Glee guests, what's the feeling that Lee leaves you with?
[0:45] Speaker 1: I think that we should revisit some of our favorite
[0:48] Speaker 1: responses from some of our past guests over the last
[0:52] Speaker 1: three years.
[0:52] Speaker 2: Beautiful, I love the sound of that.
[0:54] Speaker 1: Okay, great, So let's start with mister Schwe himself, Matthew Morrison.
[0:57] Speaker 3: It is so mixed. Don't have a single answer for
[1:02] Speaker 3: that question. Like I said, it was the highest of
[1:06] Speaker 3: highs and the lowest of lows. But when I look
[1:10] Speaker 3: back at it, and I'm so proud. I'm proud of
[1:17] Speaker 3: the impact that we had in society. I'm proud of
[1:21] Speaker 3: all the things that we did for so many communities
[1:25] Speaker 3: that were underserved or underrepresented. The show opened people's eyes
[1:34] Speaker 3: to diversity, to people who weren't the status quo, who
[1:42] Speaker 3: looked different, who acted different, And I feel.
[1:46] Speaker 4: Like it was the beginning of such a revolution.
[1:49] Speaker 3: And for me, that is so beautiful to have been
[1:54] Speaker 3: at the kind of nucleus of that whole.
[2:00] Speaker 5: You know thing.
[2:02] Speaker 3: So I can't look back and and be you know,
[2:07] Speaker 3: I can complain about being overworked and you know.
[2:10] Speaker 5: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
[2:12] Speaker 3: But just like the impact, that's the thing that will
[2:17] Speaker 3: stand the test of time. And for me, I think
[2:20] Speaker 3: that is, uh, that's a beautiful thing because most shows, most.
[2:24] Speaker 4: TV shows do not have an impact.
[2:26] Speaker 6: There.
[2:27] Speaker 3: They're binge worthy, they're fun, they're you know, you might
[2:30] Speaker 3: learn something, but there's there are a few and far
[2:35] Speaker 3: between shows that have like a cultural impact and a
[2:38] Speaker 3: societal people. So I love being a part of that legacy.
[2:42] Speaker 2: A very real answer. I love that. Yes, you know
[2:45] Speaker 2: it's a mixed bag, but ultimately, yes, we loved it.
[2:49] Speaker 7: We love it.
[2:50] Speaker 2: Okay, Next, let's hear from Miss Mercedes Jones Amberiety.
[2:54] Speaker 8: I would think besides, if I ever had a child.
[2:59] Speaker 8: That is the bosth amazing thing that I've done. Wow,
[3:03] Speaker 8: it was a roller coaster.
[3:04] Speaker 5: It was.
[3:05] Speaker 8: I grew up on that show. I became an adult
[3:08] Speaker 8: on that show. I became an artist on that show.
[3:13] Speaker 8: I just it really made me who I am. So
[3:16] Speaker 8: it leaves me with this just this fulfilling feeling. I
[3:20] Speaker 8: feel fulfilled that if I didn't do anything else in life,
[3:24] Speaker 8: I did that you did, and that's and.
[3:26] Speaker 9: And that's what we did.
[3:30] Speaker 8: Not a lot of people are going to be able
[3:31] Speaker 8: to say they can they've done that in their career.
[3:33] Speaker 9: And we did everything.
[3:36] Speaker 2: Everything we got an Oprah.
[3:38] Speaker 9: Oprah white House saying at the O two.
[3:42] Speaker 2: Singing the White House was one of the best moments
[3:45] Speaker 2: of my entire life.
[3:46] Speaker 8: I mean it's we we done what we got to
[3:49] Speaker 8: do on that show. People just in their lifetime we
[3:53] Speaker 8: never get to experience. So I feel very fulfilled. I
[3:57] Speaker 8: can always look back and be like, yeah.
[4:01] Speaker 1: Just like her, very epic.
[4:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she's right, this is it was the
[4:07] Speaker 2: greatest thing that the incredible things we got to do
[4:12] Speaker 2: and that short amount of time is unreal.
[4:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, truly, it's the beginning of it all, you know. Yeah,
[4:19] Speaker 1: next we have the one and only Quinn for Bray
[4:22] Speaker 1: Diana Agron.
[4:24] Speaker 10: I just have such tenderness for that show. It's a
[4:27] Speaker 10: really glee opened the doors to everything I've been able
[4:34] Speaker 10: to do in my creative life, absolutely everything. There would
[4:37] Speaker 10: be no path without that, and so it's just so
[4:44] Speaker 10: delicate and tender to me.
[4:45] Speaker 9: It feels like the exact thing I.
[4:49] Speaker 10: Was searching for given to me at such a young age.
[4:54] Speaker 10: To be able to do that show with all of
[4:57] Speaker 10: you and find our family in that is just it's joyful,
[5:04] Speaker 10: it's tender, it's gleeful, it's you know too. I just
[5:10] Speaker 10: I really and the older I get, the more kind
[5:17] Speaker 10: of like protective I feel about our show because I
[5:21] Speaker 10: think that there have been so many opportunities for people.
[5:25] Speaker 9: I mean, we're the.
[5:26] Speaker 10: Only ones that really know what it was like. And
[5:31] Speaker 10: I think that again, meeting people on the streets who
[5:36] Speaker 10: have to just light up and want to at the
[5:39] Speaker 10: base level just tell you that they love the show
[5:42] Speaker 10: or your character or whatever, and at a more in
[5:45] Speaker 10: depth level, really want to share with you as specific
[5:48] Speaker 10: reason why. And we had that then and the fact
[5:51] Speaker 10: that we still have that now. There aren't always experiences
[5:56] Speaker 10: that you have as a storyteller that dig so deep
[6:00] Speaker 10: into people's hearts. Yeah, and I I may not ever
[6:05] Speaker 10: have a project, a project that people feel that strongly
[6:09] Speaker 10: about that people lead to tether these these like heart
[6:14] Speaker 10: strings too and wrap them up tightly.
[6:16] Speaker 1: And I think that's phenomenal.
[6:18] Speaker 10: I mean, if you can have one, two, three, but
[6:21] Speaker 10: if you if you have one that sits at the
[6:24] Speaker 10: top this with this amount of strength, yes, amazing because
[6:29] Speaker 10: some well don't have that. Imagine we're just doing other
[6:35] Speaker 10: projects that people are like. I love the stunts that
[6:37] Speaker 10: looked really hard, like yeah, and that's fun and thrilling too.
[6:41] Speaker 10: But like the emotional connection that people have the amount
[6:46] Speaker 10: of time somebody's come up to us with tears in
[6:48] Speaker 10: their eyes really.
[6:50] Speaker 1: Changed my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's wild to me.
[6:54] Speaker 10: But I had that feeling that that's what the show
[6:56] Speaker 10: is going to be when I read that pilot.
[6:58] Speaker 9: That pilot, I had Chris bumps when I finished.
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[8:08] Speaker 2: Three time podcast guests, We can't keep him away. Thank
[8:12] Speaker 2: you Darren for coming on here so many times. By
[8:14] Speaker 2: the way, but here's Darren Cris's insightful thoughts.
[8:19] Speaker 9: It's the gift that.
[8:19] Speaker 7: Keeps on giving. I would say, I would say, for
[8:21] Speaker 7: lack of a better fucking answer, it's the cliche that
[8:25] Speaker 7: I don't want to deliver but fucking Glee. Man, It's
[8:27] Speaker 7: one of the great titles of the show.
[8:30] Speaker 9: Like it.
[8:31] Speaker 7: It is such a gleeful experience. I truly like, I
[8:35] Speaker 7: know there's a lot of like, you know, hairy things
[8:38] Speaker 7: that that people may think they know happened on the
[8:41] Speaker 7: show or project happened to the show. Maybe because I'm
[8:44] Speaker 7: a happy idiot, maybe because I can block out that stuff,
[8:47] Speaker 7: Maybe because that's just in the right place at the
[8:48] Speaker 7: right time. Maybe because I am late to the party,
[8:50] Speaker 7: Chris and I never was privy to a lot of
[8:52] Speaker 7: whatever difficulty or contention that may or may not have
[8:54] Speaker 7: existed between people and situations. I had an A plus
[8:59] Speaker 7: experience on that show. I loved every minute. I loved
[9:01] Speaker 7: every person truly, and anytime people ask me about Lee,
[9:05] Speaker 7: I'll go, like, you want the t I'll give you
[9:07] Speaker 7: the tea. I'll tell you everything that I know because
[9:09] Speaker 7: all of it.
[9:09] Speaker 9: Is glowingly positive.
[9:11] Speaker 1: I have ary.
[9:12] Speaker 7: I have a positive I have a positive, wonderful story
[9:15] Speaker 7: about every single person individually that if anybody ever said thing, well,
[9:19] Speaker 7: I don't know I heard this, I'd be like, tell
[9:20] Speaker 7: you what you want to hear a really really wonderful
[9:22] Speaker 7: story about that person, then I have them, I have
[9:24] Speaker 7: them all, I have all the receipts on great moments
[9:27] Speaker 7: with everybody, and uh yeah, Glee was a gleef was
[9:32] Speaker 7: so gleeful for me. It was a joy. It was
[9:34] Speaker 7: a joyous experience I've loved. I loved working on that show.
[9:37] Speaker 7: I had so much fun with you guys.
[9:39] Speaker 1: Did I believe you? Just a casual? Tony Ward went
[9:42] Speaker 1: on our show Big Deal. Okay, one of our favorite
[9:45] Speaker 1: guest stars of all time, our first big guest star.
[9:49] Speaker 1: We have the one, the only, Christie jennle with Well,
[9:54] Speaker 1: I'm not.
[9:54] Speaker 13: Going to say it leads me with Glee because everybody said.
[9:57] Speaker 1: That, no, it's we haven't gotten.
[10:01] Speaker 2: Maybe once.
[10:02] Speaker 13: Well, I mean I was going to say joy, but
[10:04] Speaker 13: Glee is it? Because Glee represents for me something I
[10:08] Speaker 13: didn't have in high school. We had madrig goals because
[10:10] Speaker 13: there was only five of us, and I always wanted
[10:13] Speaker 13: to have a glee club. And so for me getting
[10:16] Speaker 13: to do the show Glee and then go back to
[10:19] Speaker 13: my high school and see that they had developed a
[10:23] Speaker 13: glee club and now a thirty five people in it,
[10:27] Speaker 13: and that's because of the show. I don't even know
[10:29] Speaker 13: if I've ever gotten to tell Ryan Murphy that. But
[10:31] Speaker 13: the choir director said, it's because of the show Glee
[10:35] Speaker 13: that you were on that developed an interest.
[10:38] Speaker 1: I mean, this show changed choir.
[10:42] Speaker 13: And so because I love young talent and I have
[10:45] Speaker 13: my camp and arch and education fund and all that
[10:48] Speaker 13: stuff to be it leaves me with pure joy. So Glee,
[10:51] Speaker 13: That's what it leaves me.
[10:52] Speaker 4: And it still does.
[10:53] Speaker 13: When the girls got Yesterdaight emo, so thank you.
[10:58] Speaker 5: How sweet.
[10:59] Speaker 1: It's so like the show is like for some people,
[11:03] Speaker 1: is like everything that you had been dreaming and never
[11:06] Speaker 1: got or had dreamed you would have, or things that
[11:11] Speaker 1: you didn't have.
[11:12] Speaker 2: I just you know, it's a dream scenario for like
[11:14] Speaker 2: some of its college years, some of its high school years.
[11:17] Speaker 1: And I'm telling you the thing, the fam that I
[11:19] Speaker 1: would have been, the fam that I would have been,
[11:24] Speaker 1: let's hear from.
[11:25] Speaker 14: Jacob Artist, nostalgia for everything that you know we all
[11:29] Speaker 14: did together and how much fun we had. But then
[11:32] Speaker 14: I think also just like a celebration of you know,
[11:40] Speaker 14: people and singing and dancing and acting and the joy
[11:43] Speaker 14: that that can really bring. And you know, I think
[11:47] Speaker 14: this show in many ways is a lot about kind
[11:49] Speaker 14: of celebrating the underdog, and so I think it's like
[11:53] Speaker 14: a combination, a blender of just like all of those things,
[11:56] Speaker 14: you know, and I think there it's not a mistake.
[12:01] Speaker 14: The show was as explosive as it was because there
[12:06] Speaker 14: was some real magic to it that you guys put there.
[12:10] Speaker 14: I mean, obviously I came in like much later in
[12:13] Speaker 14: the picture, but you know what you guys did in
[12:15] Speaker 14: those first two seasons, it was not an accident. There
[12:19] Speaker 14: was something really special about it. It really resonated with people,
[12:22] Speaker 14: and like I said, everybody loved it and enjoyed it.
[12:26] Speaker 14: And it's not even once in a lifetime, maybe like
[12:29] Speaker 14: once every ten lifetimes, just sort of the stars.
[12:33] Speaker 2: Aligning and it was just really really really special.
[12:36] Speaker 1: We have another favorite newbie up next. Thank you Jacob
[12:39] Speaker 1: for also coming on the show. Noah Guthrie aka Roderick.
[12:45] Speaker 15: I would say, I mean mostly joyful. I would say,
[12:52] Speaker 15: you know, there's a the whole experience as a whole,
[12:56] Speaker 15: as a package, was a lot of learning and a
[13:00] Speaker 15: lot of ups and downs, but I think.
[13:04] Speaker 9: Overall, I was very grateful.
[13:05] Speaker 15: I was very just every time I see the show,
[13:08] Speaker 15: like even you know, like preparing for this, I watched
[13:11] Speaker 15: like the first episode or two of that season, and
[13:15] Speaker 15: you know, even just seeing it just makes me smile,
[13:18] Speaker 15: you know, like it just it just brings this kind
[13:21] Speaker 15: of joyfulness to me. And I think some of that is,
[13:27] Speaker 15: you know, Glee in a lot of ways brought up
[13:33] Speaker 15: and handled a lot of the issues that I dealt
[13:35] Speaker 15: with in high school that just were not talked about.
[13:40] Speaker 15: And you know, obviously that it happened at a time
[13:44] Speaker 15: when we were all kind of experienced at a pretty
[13:46] Speaker 15: big cultural shift in the country, and I just think
[13:50] Speaker 15: that it brought a lot of things to light that
[13:53] Speaker 15: needed to be brought to light and talked about, and
[13:57] Speaker 15: that always makes me feel really happy. It just makes
[14:01] Speaker 15: me feel good to know that, you know, even you know,
[14:04] Speaker 15: obviously the show has its flaws like everything, but I
[14:09] Speaker 15: do think that it's like a net good and I
[14:12] Speaker 15: think that it really especially from my experience of talking
[14:16] Speaker 15: with fans of the show, because you know, like I'm
[14:19] Speaker 15: I'm a fan of the show because I was on
[14:21] Speaker 15: the show, right, more fans of the show because the
[14:24] Speaker 15: show like.
[14:25] Speaker 9: Touched them, yeah, to their core.
[14:28] Speaker 15: You know. I have people talk to me at shows
[14:31] Speaker 15: and stuff that are so deeply affected by Glee and
[14:39] Speaker 15: the kind of message that it brought that it was
[14:42] Speaker 15: like life changing for these people, and yeah, I don't know,
[14:46] Speaker 15: it's just really special to be a part of something
[14:48] Speaker 15: like that.
[14:49] Speaker 2: Getting The Big Guns co creator Brad Foulchuck, It's.
[14:53] Speaker 16: As you said, it feels like family to me. It
[14:55] Speaker 16: just feels like like like we went through something together
[14:58] Speaker 16: that was so extraordinary and so bonding and wonderfully complicated
[15:05] Speaker 16: and wonderfully simple. And you know, the warmth I feel
[15:10] Speaker 16: when I see your guys faces, it just reminds me
[15:13] Speaker 16: of a time of life and I've an experience that
[15:15] Speaker 16: we had that that I feel.
[15:18] Speaker 5: Incredibly proud of and positive about.
[15:22] Speaker 16: And the fact that you know, new generations of people
[15:28] Speaker 16: who are now you know, keep enjoying the show and
[15:30] Speaker 16: it sort of lives on in that way. It just
[15:32] Speaker 16: makes me feel proud as a legacy thing that we
[15:34] Speaker 16: did something that meant a lot to people, and what
[15:40] Speaker 16: it meant to us doing it is even a little
[15:43] Speaker 16: bit more special like it was it was. It was, Yeah,
[15:48] Speaker 16: it was a family and all it's ups and downs
[15:51] Speaker 16: and almost mostly ups. So that's the feeling.
[15:55] Speaker 2: I really appreciate that sentiment because that is what it
[15:58] Speaker 2: feels like it's family.
[16:00] Speaker 1: If you're really lining into the obvious of like what
[16:03] Speaker 1: does it leave you with? Like it has left this
[16:05] Speaker 1: incredible mark, but an incredible group of people that like,
[16:09] Speaker 1: where would we beat without them?
[16:10] Speaker 2: My family doesn't leave, Yes, you know, like you can't
[16:14] Speaker 2: get rid of family. Yeah, And for better or for worse,
[16:18] Speaker 2: we have built this incredibly profound relationship with one another
[16:23] Speaker 2: and that is the best thing for us, I think, personally,
[16:26] Speaker 2: to come out of it well.
[16:30] Speaker 1: With the big guns here, we've got our fellow co
[16:33] Speaker 1: creator Ian Brennan.
[16:35] Speaker 17: Just like an unbelievable sense of pride.
[16:40] Speaker 4: It's very I'm very, very proud of like the whole.
[16:47] Speaker 10: Thing.
[16:48] Speaker 4: It's it's a very. It feels like a child.
[16:52] Speaker 17: It's like you know, once you have children, it doesn't
[16:54] Speaker 17: you like, no, that's a show and like child.
[16:58] Speaker 4: But it was like it's like a very.
[17:02] Speaker 17: It's it feels like an achievement, a creative achievement that
[17:06] Speaker 17: can never be taken away.
[17:08] Speaker 4: And I think we we.
[17:09] Speaker 17: So much of this industry and in like showbiz in
[17:15] Speaker 17: general is so ephemeral and can be so it's sort
[17:20] Speaker 17: of gone and it's like, what have you done for me?
[17:22] Speaker 17: Lately and it's like not another things that were so
[17:26] Speaker 17: important to you sort of like disappear.
[17:29] Speaker 4: What's did you see? What's on now? Like well, like
[17:32] Speaker 4: look guess what.
[17:32] Speaker 17: Where's just so not There's so few things that it's
[17:35] Speaker 17: like this show feels like, oh, it's I feel like
[17:37] Speaker 17: I wrote a book, Like there was a really good
[17:40] Speaker 17: book and it's like and every every junior high school
[17:43] Speaker 17: kid in seventh grade reads this book like it was
[17:46] Speaker 17: like it's it's just that you've like contributed to the
[17:51] Speaker 17: culture a bit or you're sort of like required reading
[17:55] Speaker 17: and that that is like a true.
[18:00] Speaker 4: That's where the pride comes from. You're like, oh, we
[18:03] Speaker 4: did it, and like I did that.
[18:05] Speaker 17: I did and I definitely take away from it. It's
[18:09] Speaker 17: a cool thing to sometime and again, like you guys
[18:11] Speaker 17: wouldn't experience this because people would already know you.
[18:13] Speaker 4: But it is like occasionally.
[18:16] Speaker 17: It's a fun thing to sometimes just drop if somebody
[18:20] Speaker 17: doesn't know you're just eating somebody or someone happens if
[18:23] Speaker 17: you're like you're.
[18:23] Speaker 4: Like abroad or whatever, and then h.
[18:28] Speaker 17: Oh, I kind of kind of just work in TV,
[18:31] Speaker 17: like oh, anything I know about and then just like well,
[18:35] Speaker 17: Glee I'm like, oh did you write on that? Like no, no, no,
[18:38] Speaker 17: I created it and just to.
[18:41] Speaker 4: Be like and it's a dick move to do good
[18:45] Speaker 4: but as if you didn't just set up the whole
[18:47] Speaker 4: thing to like drop camera and it's that. It is
[18:51] Speaker 4: like there is like so all the strm and drong and.
[18:54] Speaker 17: Like all the wildness of it.
[18:56] Speaker 4: It just the work and the late nights and it
[18:58] Speaker 4: sucks up.
[18:59] Speaker 18: It sucked up eight years of our life where it
[19:01] Speaker 18: was not really able to do anything else, like it
[19:03] Speaker 18: was like and and really to find took me away
[19:10] Speaker 18: from one career put me in another one.
[19:11] Speaker 4: Like it was very very impactful.
[19:14] Speaker 5: So like it.
[19:15] Speaker 17: That those moments are worth it when you can stand
[19:19] Speaker 17: back and be like, oh, but like we did that.
[19:22] Speaker 1: I think that Ian was the first one to bring
[19:25] Speaker 1: out the Pride card. I think it was like the
[19:29] Speaker 1: first time we had heard that, but happy Pride, Happy Pride.
[19:33] Speaker 1: After Ian came on, as I guess we started hearing
[19:35] Speaker 1: Pride a lot more actually, so he started the trend.
[19:40] Speaker 2: One of our favorite directors and people, Paris Barclay, I.
[19:45] Speaker 6: Would say, glee is when I think practically it's emotional.
[19:50] Speaker 6: That's the word I get so emotional that some shows
[19:55] Speaker 6: I feel, oh, that was stressful. Some shows I feel
[19:58] Speaker 6: that was hilarious. Is that's not too often for that,
[20:02] Speaker 6: But I feel very emotional about Glee, and I have
[20:06] Speaker 6: to say it's often tinged with sadness. It's sort of
[20:10] Speaker 6: like a youth, a period of longing for youth that
[20:14] Speaker 6: you can't get back, and sometimes saddeness. To me, I'll
[20:18] Speaker 6: be totally honest, because I sort of look at what's
[20:21] Speaker 6: transpired postly from Afar and I saw the Michelle and
[20:26] Speaker 6: Find a Girl last night and she was fantastic. I
[20:30] Speaker 6: realized that part of our family has kind of ruptured
[20:33] Speaker 6: around things that people did then, and that really makes
[20:36] Speaker 6: me sad. You know, I wish, I wish, I wish
[20:43] Speaker 6: I had to go to the festival. I wish there
[20:47] Speaker 6: were some more forgiveness in it. I think Ryan said
[20:51] Speaker 6: a great tone at the beginning of your podcast because
[20:53] Speaker 6: he was kind of owning up to his own mistakes
[20:56] Speaker 6: and kind of forgiving himself in a really beautiful way.
[20:59] Speaker 6: And I feel like I've definitely made mistakes, and I
[21:01] Speaker 6: certainly made more mistakes when I was the age that
[21:04] Speaker 6: you were in Lee, and I just wish that that
[21:07] Speaker 6: would rain. I wish that people would just let things
[21:09] Speaker 6: go and just hold on to the fact that there
[21:12] Speaker 6: was a beautiful, beautiful show that moved a lot of
[21:16] Speaker 6: people and talked about a lot of really important things.
[21:19] Speaker 6: I will never forget. It's also in Wheels when Sue
[21:22] Speaker 6: Sylvester brings in Lauren and that story that then becomes
[21:27] Speaker 6: a story with Robin. That story had a huge impact
[21:30] Speaker 6: on that community and people who love people who have
[21:33] Speaker 6: Down syndrome. That's really really emotional and powerful.
[21:37] Speaker 1: Kevin, you loved this interview with our incredible friend and
[21:43] Speaker 1: also the mastermind behind Glee's marketing campaigns, Joe Early. He
[21:47] Speaker 1: was the president of Marketing and Communications for Fox at
[21:50] Speaker 1: the time. And if you haven't heard that interview, also,
[21:54] Speaker 1: it's just so specific to the advertising and like how
[21:58] Speaker 1: the tone was set essentially to the masses. So Joe, really, I.
[22:02] Speaker 19: Mean, it was just an absolute thrill ride from the beginning.
[22:08] Speaker 19: I am sort of like a chronically optimistic person, you know,
[22:12] Speaker 19: I walk on the sunny side of the street.
[22:15] Speaker 5: But that show was so just personally meaningful.
[22:21] Speaker 19: But I watched it. I watched it change lives. That
[22:25] Speaker 19: show literally we know has saved lives think about that,
[22:30] Speaker 19: wildly entertaining, hilarious, actually introduced music to generations in a
[22:40] Speaker 19: new way. I remember Dante knew that. Dante knew I
[22:43] Speaker 19: was like a fanatic, even though I was all cool
[22:46] Speaker 19: on the side and everything. He'd do that as a fact,
[22:49] Speaker 19: and he would share songs with me in advance, so
[22:52] Speaker 19: I would hear songs and not even have not even
[22:55] Speaker 19: have the scripts. And so I'd be playing it with
[22:58] Speaker 19: my daughter, who you guys, we're very kind to.
[23:03] Speaker 5: You're like, why is this guy bringing his daughter to
[23:04] Speaker 5: the set? Because that was the only thing.
[23:06] Speaker 2: You've ever about it made.
[23:10] Speaker 19: She loved it too, And but we'd be in the
[23:14] Speaker 19: car listening to the Glee songs and then we'd be
[23:17] Speaker 19: driving and listening to whatever.
[23:19] Speaker 5: Aretha Franklin would come.
[23:20] Speaker 19: On and she would say, oh, she's singing the Glee song,
[23:24] Speaker 19: and I was like, Wow, this show is just like
[23:27] Speaker 19: expanding people's understanding. So that's magical is also a good word.
[23:32] Speaker 19: But the first word that came to mine was thrilled,
[23:35] Speaker 19: Like just I loved everything about it, and I still
[23:40] Speaker 19: do and very proud of it. It's it's on Hulu,
[23:44] Speaker 19: it's on Disney Plus, it is for Everyone who's listening
[23:47] Speaker 19: obviously already knows that, but that was important.
[23:51] Speaker 5: For us to make sure.
[23:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, I love him, I mean again in all departments,
[23:56] Speaker 2: like a thrill ride, a career highlight, for so many
[23:59] Speaker 2: different reasons. Okay, the unofficial thirteenth member of the Glee Club,
[24:04] Speaker 2: camera operator extraordinary, the man who had the steady cam
[24:08] Speaker 2: on him and all those musical numbers. Andrew Mitchell.
[24:12] Speaker 20: Oh my gosh, can I go back to the who
[24:16] Speaker 20: is the lady who started it?
[24:18] Speaker 15: It was.
[24:20] Speaker 20: Here we go, Lillian badler By. It's very do yes,
[24:24] Speaker 20: we is about opening yourself up to joy.
[24:26] Speaker 4: Can I steal that?
[24:27] Speaker 1: You can totally steal that.
[24:31] Speaker 20: My memory is not very good, but I always remember
[24:33] Speaker 20: how I feel when I meet somebody, when I do
[24:36] Speaker 20: a project or something like that. I don't remember some
[24:39] Speaker 20: of the details, but I always remember how I feel.
[24:41] Speaker 20: And at the end of that show, it felt so good,
[24:46] Speaker 20: But then it also felt like this can't end right,
[24:50] Speaker 20: like I don't want this to go away.
[24:52] Speaker 21: It was hard, right, wrong, It's hard but so worth it,
[24:56] Speaker 21: and most things that are worth it are hard to do.
[24:59] Speaker 21: So it was, you know, maybe like warmth, warmth in
[25:03] Speaker 21: my heart? Oh boy, and just a ton of good memories,
[25:07] Speaker 21: you know, because all the bad stuff is just like
[25:10] Speaker 21: I just remember that yeah stuff, you know totally.
[25:14] Speaker 4: It was like we went to sunder camp together and
[25:15] Speaker 4: it lasted six.
[25:16] Speaker 1: Really long time. Yeah that's right, a really long, awesome
[25:19] Speaker 1: summer camp that you never want to end, right, Okay.
[25:23] Speaker 1: One of our more recent episodes and one of our
[25:27] Speaker 1: favorite episodes, and my brother actually wrote and texting him
[25:31] Speaker 1: was like, this one was so good. One of it's
[25:34] Speaker 1: it's one of our favorite people as well, Brad Beeker,
[25:37] Speaker 1: the director and executive producer.
[25:40] Speaker 22: So many faks, but honestly, it's like pride.
[25:49] Speaker 23: You know.
[25:49] Speaker 22: It's like I just I'll always look back and I
[25:56] Speaker 22: feel so proud that I got to spend that time
[26:01] Speaker 22: with you, right, to spend that time with you know,
[26:06] Speaker 22: it was like it truly, you know, it defined my life.
[26:12] Speaker 22: You know, I learned so much. And it's like there
[26:17] Speaker 22: were horrible things and there were great things, yep, but
[26:24] Speaker 22: we were all in it together for better or worse,
[26:29] Speaker 22: you know. And when I look back, and you know,
[26:33] Speaker 22: it's like for all, for whatever whatever you thought or
[26:36] Speaker 22: whatever the it's like when you look back at what
[26:39] Speaker 22: we did, I'm just so proud of it.
[26:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, you should be.
[26:45] Speaker 2: I mean, we all are now to bring it on home.
[26:49] Speaker 2: Sue Sylvester, herself, Jane Lynch.
[26:53] Speaker 9: It was a well.
[26:56] Speaker 2: Moment in time. It was.
[26:58] Speaker 23: It was one beautiful, perfect moment yep, where the everything
[27:06] Speaker 23: kind of it was kind of lightning and bottle. Yeah,
[27:09] Speaker 23: and I remember we knew we were breathing rarefied air. Yeah, yeah,
[27:14] Speaker 23: I remember Ryan saying that to us at some point.
[27:16] Speaker 23: You said, you know, the most important thing for you
[27:19] Speaker 23: guys to realize right now is that we are all
[27:22] Speaker 23: breathing rarefied air. This doesn't happen because of the impact
[27:25] Speaker 23: that the show had, right and.
[27:27] Speaker 2: The good it had right, and boy, we could use.
[27:31] Speaker 23: Something like it now where everybody It was kind of
[27:37] Speaker 23: a microcosm of the world, even for adults. It's like
[27:41] Speaker 23: the McKinley high being metaphor for the world where it's
[27:44] Speaker 23: cruel and he gets slush, he's in the face, and
[27:47] Speaker 23: there's groups and factions. Again it's each other. It's very tribal.
[27:51] Speaker 23: Then you get into that choir room and everybody's got
[27:54] Speaker 23: your back, and there's nothing more beautiful than raising your
[27:58] Speaker 23: voice in the song together and making a joyful noise.
[28:01] Speaker 23: It's where you do it together. It's where the football player,
[28:05] Speaker 23: uh and the kid and the little nerd in the
[28:07] Speaker 23: wheelchair can be palsed, where the gay kid can be
[28:11] Speaker 23: pals with the football player and the greaser. You know,
[28:14] Speaker 23: Mark Salling's character was could be so dark and yet
[28:18] Speaker 23: in that you know, when he was winning the same
[28:20] Speaker 23: thing with the guy, when he was with us, there
[28:22] Speaker 23: was something about him that was lighter.
[28:24] Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's beautifully said.
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[29:08] Speaker 1: Okay, Kevin's it's the time, Jenna, It's time before we go.
[29:14] Speaker 2: Jenna, Oh my god, I need to ask you also,
[29:19] Speaker 2: I'm not one who asks people this. I would also
[29:22] Speaker 2: like to say shout out to you for creating this.
[29:25] Speaker 2: This was your idea this one. What is the feeling?
[29:29] Speaker 19: Lee?
[29:30] Speaker 2: Yes, didn't you if I remember correctly, didn't you just
[29:34] Speaker 2: ask somebody that in like one of our first episodes, like, oh,
[29:38] Speaker 2: that's a good question, Jenna, and it stuck.
[29:43] Speaker 1: I actually don't know, And I don't want to take
[29:45] Speaker 1: credit for it because I don't know that it was mine.
[29:48] Speaker 2: It was yours. And so Jenna, I'm asking you, what
[29:51] Speaker 2: is the feeling that Glee leaves you with?
[29:53] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's kind of hard to pick one
[30:00] Speaker 1: after hearing all of our incredible friends and family, like
[30:07] Speaker 1: one word. You know, friends and family have like kind
[30:10] Speaker 1: of given us all. But if I were to scrape
[30:13] Speaker 1: that all away and forget that we ever asked anybody,
[30:16] Speaker 1: I think if somebody asked me that question out like
[30:19] Speaker 1: for the first time, the truth is, I think I
[30:25] Speaker 1: would say, like extreme appreciation and deep appreciation for everything
[30:33] Speaker 1: that it has given me, because not only was it
[30:41] Speaker 1: so formative and shaped who I am today and shaped
[30:49] Speaker 1: how I approach things, how I approach friendships, how I
[30:53] Speaker 1: approach work, how I and then also how grateful I
[31:00] Speaker 1: am for the opportunities it granted for the people and
[31:06] Speaker 1: for the family, for all the doors it opened for
[31:11] Speaker 1: all the people I met. It really was just such
[31:17] Speaker 1: a an incredible experience, highs and lows, like no matter
[31:22] Speaker 1: what the challenges were, it's a part of me forever.
[31:25] Speaker 1: And so I think just extra deep gratitude and appreciation
[31:32] Speaker 1: for the gift that that it was and will continue
[31:38] Speaker 1: to be. I think I have this running joke.
[31:42] Speaker 5: With my.
[31:44] Speaker 1: Team where I'm working, and uh, it's Glee. Glee is
[31:50] Speaker 1: the gift that keeps on giving for better, better for words,
[31:59] Speaker 1: But it's true, you know it is. It really is.
[32:02] Speaker 1: Just people are like, oh my god, I love that
[32:03] Speaker 1: show and just the new generations of people. I saw
[32:07] Speaker 1: my friend Daniel day Kim recently and he was like,
[32:09] Speaker 1: it was the first show that our son became like
[32:12] Speaker 1: so obsessed with and and like never turned off the
[32:14] Speaker 1: TV and you were just always in our living room
[32:16] Speaker 1: and like it's just so powerful. So I'm just I'm
[32:19] Speaker 1: extremely grateful. Kevin. What does the feeling that leaves you with.
[32:26] Speaker 2: I'd rather not say.
[32:28] Speaker 5: I think.
[32:30] Speaker 2: Pride and family are up there for sure, because I
[32:36] Speaker 2: really like, close my eyes and think about the experience
[32:38] Speaker 2: of the show. It's definitely family. Being on set with everybody,
[32:43] Speaker 2: every single day that experience, but I think, ultimately similar
[32:51] Speaker 2: to you, I feel just honored to have been like
[32:56] Speaker 2: a part of it. It feels like such a gift
[33:00] Speaker 2: and the fact that, echoing everything you just said, that
[33:03] Speaker 2: we got to experience so many ones in a lifetime
[33:08] Speaker 2: type things. You get to be on a show that
[33:10] Speaker 2: you love doing, you get to be on a show
[33:11] Speaker 2: that the crew loves doing. You get to be on
[33:14] Speaker 2: a show that means so much to people that we
[33:18] Speaker 2: could go on tour in different parts of the world
[33:20] Speaker 2: and they knew us and loved the show, and it
[33:24] Speaker 2: wasn't about any of us as real people. It was
[33:29] Speaker 2: about seeing those characters go through those experiences with that music,
[33:34] Speaker 2: what that meant to people, And it always felt so
[33:37] Speaker 2: much bigger than ourselves, yes, which was really special, And
[33:42] Speaker 2: I think we were all so young and green and
[33:44] Speaker 2: just happy to have a job that you can never
[33:47] Speaker 2: in your wildest dreams dream of anything like that happening.
[33:50] Speaker 2: And so I feel extremely honored to be cast on
[33:54] Speaker 2: the show, to have been able to meet the best
[33:58] Speaker 2: friends I'll ever have, and to you know, sort of
[34:04] Speaker 2: it was such a specific time in pop culture, and
[34:09] Speaker 2: having grown up obsessed with pop culture, it was so
[34:12] Speaker 2: strange and surreal to be a part of something that
[34:15] Speaker 2: was also pop culture at that moment and sort of
[34:21] Speaker 2: the ushering, you know, the end of one era, the
[34:25] Speaker 2: ushering end of another era, transitional period I think in
[34:28] Speaker 2: our culture and all that was happening at the same time,
[34:33] Speaker 2: and we got to experience that. And it's such a
[34:37] Speaker 2: gift now to be able to look back on it
[34:38] Speaker 2: with you and to watch it, to have new people
[34:41] Speaker 2: finding it. The music still is out there, the episodes
[34:44] Speaker 2: are still out there. So I'm just honored that. I'm
[34:46] Speaker 2: proud of the show. I'm never embarrassed by it. Yeah,
[34:51] Speaker 2: I will.
[34:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such just a gift. Really the word I
[34:57] Speaker 1: think we both said the same thing. It's like, what
[34:59] Speaker 1: a what a gift? And I think you also had
[35:02] Speaker 1: a point that I feel what I didn't say, Like,
[35:05] Speaker 1: I just what a gift to have to be a
[35:09] Speaker 1: part of something that not only creatively is fulfilling and
[35:15] Speaker 1: personally fulfilling connection wise, but then to also be able
[35:20] Speaker 1: to be making a mark on history culturally and then
[35:24] Speaker 1: also on people individually, like all the listeners here, all
[35:29] Speaker 1: of our fans, all the new fans who were coming in,
[35:31] Speaker 1: all the old fans who were there from day one
[35:33] Speaker 1: like to know to like we never forgot I think
[35:38] Speaker 1: even in like the darkest of like the Glee, you know,
[35:42] Speaker 1: hard working bubble that we were in, to have to
[35:46] Speaker 1: remember that we were doing this for something so much
[35:48] Speaker 1: bigger than ourselves. Was like we were making a difference
[35:52] Speaker 1: in people's lives, and that was like, so it kept
[35:56] Speaker 1: us moving forward.
[35:58] Speaker 2: The mission change. Yeah, it's like, you know, we made
[36:01] Speaker 2: the first thirteen and nobody had seen anything but the pilot.
[36:04] Speaker 2: It was like, let's we want to make the show
[36:05] Speaker 2: that we love doing in our little vacuum. And then
[36:09] Speaker 2: when it came out and clearly meant so. You know,
[36:12] Speaker 2: some people just wanted it for pure unadulterated laughter and
[36:17] Speaker 2: snark and dark comedy. Great. Some people wanted to just
[36:20] Speaker 2: to watch music and turn off their brain. Great. But
[36:23] Speaker 2: also some people were watching it with their families, trying
[36:27] Speaker 2: to discuss their families more about themselves through the show
[36:31] Speaker 2: and things like that, and that is something you hope
[36:36] Speaker 2: will happen, but you can never bank on the public,
[36:41] Speaker 2: you know, people responding to something in the way you
[36:43] Speaker 2: hope it does until it is out there and it
[36:46] Speaker 2: far exceeded everybody's expectations, Brian's included, and so a gift.
[36:52] Speaker 2: Were grateful to have been a part of it. We're
[36:54] Speaker 2: grateful to all of our incredible guests who came on
[36:56] Speaker 2: this show over the years sharing their beautiful story and
[37:01] Speaker 2: feelings with us. Thank you to Ryan Murphy who started
[37:04] Speaker 2: this off with us three years ago, setting the tone
[37:09] Speaker 2: and opening up that honest and raw dialogue for everybody
[37:13] Speaker 2: to feel safe and sort of our group therapy together
[37:18] Speaker 2: in this. And so thank you so much for just
[37:21] Speaker 2: everybody who came on here and taking the trip down
[37:23] Speaker 2: memory lane with us.
[37:25] Speaker 1: And thank you to you guys for listening and taking
[37:27] Speaker 1: this journey with us and being here with us every week.
[37:29] Speaker 1: We really couldn't do it without you. We do it
[37:31] Speaker 1: for you. This is your podcast as much as the stars.
[37:34] Speaker 1: So now we are turning the question over to you,
[37:37] Speaker 1: and we want to know what is the feeling that
[37:41] Speaker 1: Cley leaves you with. Next episode is all about you
[37:46] Speaker 1: and your responses. So listen in join us and thank
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