# Somebody Loves Betty Who

An episode of [And That's What You REALLY Missed](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1645980188), 5 Jun 2025, 58 min.

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The biggest Gleek and NLT fan is on the Pod! Singer-songwriter Betty Who is bringing the heat this summer with her 'Out of the Darkness Tour,' but first, a pit stop with Jenna and Kevin to talk about her song "Somebody Loves You" being featured on Glee's sixth season! She shares how she found out her single was going to be used on the show, her obsession with NLT (Kevin's boy band), her big Broadway debut, and the biggest revelation ever!! She auditioned for Glee! Hear all about the 'Tina' inspired song she sang, what she told the Glee team they needed on the show, and what it was like meeting the cast! Betty's new single "Sweat" is out now, and for tickets to see her on tour, visit BettyWhoMusic.com! For fun, exclusive content, and behind-the-scenes scoops, be sure to follow on Instagram @andthatswhatyoureallymissedpod! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna.
[0:04] Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
[0:09] Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's What You Really miss Podcast.
[0:14] Speaker 2: Today is a very special day because we have one
[0:16] Speaker 2: of our friends, a very talented singer and actor and
[0:21] Speaker 2: whose song, as we were friends during the show, ended
[0:25] Speaker 2: up in one of the episodes, which was very surreal
[0:28] Speaker 2: and really really cool. And it's Betty who.
[0:32] Speaker 1: You know, Betty, Betty who freaking who?
[0:34] Speaker 2: And it's used in a really pivotal moment.
[0:36] Speaker 3: In the series Huge, which is coming. It's just so
[0:41] Speaker 3: much fun. It was fun. We've been friends with Betty
[0:43] Speaker 3: and then and you even more like her. Told Betty,
[0:47] Speaker 3: I think that the song was happening or whatever.
[0:51] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[0:51] Speaker 1: We'll find out in this conversation. But she's great and
[0:55] Speaker 1: we love her.
[0:56] Speaker 2: Betty, who is so much fun that like for her birthdays,
[0:59] Speaker 2: she used to have Brittany Parks and Hannah teach us
[1:04] Speaker 2: Beyonce dance routines amazing and so like it's her birthday.
[1:08] Speaker 2: But what a treat for us, I mean a gift, yeah,
[1:11] Speaker 2: a true gift for us. But this is our talk
[1:15] Speaker 2: with Betty. It could have gone on for eight hours
[1:18] Speaker 2: because we just get to Gavin, you know, but she's
[1:22] Speaker 2: so talented and can do anything and everything, and so
[1:25] Speaker 2: we get into it all. So here is Betty who
[1:29] Speaker 2: or or or oh my god, how you going?
[1:42] Speaker 4: Hey Jenny? Literally where you been?
[1:52] Speaker 2: Or she's birth children?
[1:55] Speaker 4: I know you have and you're always thoughted on that trampoline.
[1:58] Speaker 4: That's what. That's what you said.
[2:00] Speaker 1: It out with me, bouncin haven't babies. That's it.
[2:05] Speaker 2: You look younger than when I met you.
[2:07] Speaker 1: You're aging backwards?
[2:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, what have you done? What have you got me?
[2:13] Speaker 4: I can tell you what I've done, which is I'm
[2:16] Speaker 4: truly shocked that you said that, because you know us
[2:18] Speaker 4: white women, I think we actually tend to age the worst.
[2:22] Speaker 2: Yes, anybody?
[2:23] Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, just curdling over time. My theory is
[2:30] Speaker 4: that it is hair theory because I was a short,
[2:32] Speaker 4: short haired girl for a long time, and I think
[2:36] Speaker 4: that I don't really know where I'm headed. I've just
[2:38] Speaker 4: been like trying to do I think I'm in a
[2:41] Speaker 4: period of my life which is very in the definition
[2:44] Speaker 4: of insanity is doing the same thing over and over
[2:46] Speaker 4: again and expecting different results. And so like, the hair
[2:50] Speaker 4: was very like in my head was like this is
[2:52] Speaker 4: what I have to do. People know me this, this,
[2:54] Speaker 4: and now I'm like, oh, can I do whatever I want?
[2:58] Speaker 4: I think I can't. Yeah, And the longer my hair gets,
[3:02] Speaker 4: I think the like stinkier and littler. I look, I
[3:05] Speaker 4: think I look like. I think I look like ten
[3:07] Speaker 4: year old me. Do you know what I mean? In
[3:08] Speaker 4: a way that's not like I'm just like a stinky
[3:12] Speaker 4: little girl.
[3:14] Speaker 3: You know, Kevin's the jammiest kid in town, so we've
[3:17] Speaker 3: got to.
[3:17] Speaker 2: Sink the jammiest kid in town.
[3:20] Speaker 4: Okay, speaking of why I haven't seen Aristotle.
[3:25] Speaker 2: Look, you got in the effort, you gotta. I have
[3:29] Speaker 2: to go find him. I'm like, where are you? I'm coming.
[3:32] Speaker 4: I might go ill. Okay that's good.
[3:34] Speaker 2: Yeah like that because I was doing the same thing.
[3:39] Speaker 2: I'm like, babies.
[3:41] Speaker 4: Your all of your good will that you use on
[3:44] Speaker 4: trying to find Kelly is going to being patient with
[3:47] Speaker 4: your patient.
[3:48] Speaker 2: Yes, that's what you have a partnership. I can see
[3:51] Speaker 2: Kelly on your behalf.
[3:53] Speaker 1: Yes, and yeah, I'll try to stay patient.
[3:55] Speaker 2: Okay, you won't be the warehouse parties at three a m.
[3:58] Speaker 2: You know I can do that for you.
[4:00] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[4:01] Speaker 4: Wow, I can't actually it's so funny. I make so
[4:04] Speaker 4: much music and like so much of my culture is
[4:06] Speaker 4: like I love to dance, but I'm also tired.
[4:10] Speaker 5: And old and so like in like wiggling girlfriend, I
[4:15] Speaker 5: am trying to hit like a Sunday afternoon, four pm
[4:19] Speaker 5: on Santa Monica Boulevard.
[4:21] Speaker 4: You you text me at ten thirty saying where are
[4:24] Speaker 4: we going? I say to bed.
[4:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sleep. I don't listen. I don't know how
[4:30] Speaker 2: these gays do it, because I went to my first
[4:34] Speaker 2: warehouse party, like a couple of months ago, a warehouse yeah,
[4:40] Speaker 2: and I'm like I need to see what this is like.
[4:43] Speaker 2: And I'm looking around. I'm like, I am exhausted.
[4:46] Speaker 4: I'm tired.
[4:47] Speaker 2: I'm the only one.
[4:50] Speaker 4: That's the other thing, right.
[4:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't love.
[4:52] Speaker 4: I don't love a drug. No, marijuana is my spiritual
[4:56] Speaker 4: that's my that's my medicine.
[4:58] Speaker 2: But that's what you want to in a dark room.
[5:00] Speaker 4: You know it's not And everybody else is having a
[5:03] Speaker 4: different time. And for me, I just get like, I
[5:05] Speaker 4: get hot, I get I get nervous. All of a sudden,
[5:07] Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm going to die and I'm going to
[5:09] Speaker 4: be here. This is where I want to die a
[5:12] Speaker 4: warehouse downtown at four in the morning.
[5:15] Speaker 1: No, the I gotta go.
[5:18] Speaker 4: I don know how they do it.
[5:20] Speaker 2: I don't know. I do not know how they do it.
[5:23] Speaker 4: What are we even talking about.
[5:25] Speaker 3: I don't know people, well, speaking of speaking of, I
[5:27] Speaker 3: don't know how they do it. You congratulations, you made
[5:30] Speaker 3: your Broadway debut.
[5:34] Speaker 4: Pivot.
[5:35] Speaker 2: Yes, you know, one of us is job.
[5:39] Speaker 1: Keep it on track.
[5:40] Speaker 3: Okay, but I love it because I obviously that's.
[5:45] Speaker 1: That's my whole feed. My Instagram feed is Broadway.
[5:47] Speaker 3: So I'm just seeing like you hopping up on my
[5:51] Speaker 3: Broadway feed, like all my worlds are colliding.
[5:54] Speaker 2: But you got which was shocking. I was like, wait
[5:58] Speaker 2: what but also makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it
[6:02] Speaker 2: was shocking. How did like how the hell?
[6:05] Speaker 6: Yeah?
[6:08] Speaker 4: That is such a great question. You know. I want
[6:11] Speaker 4: to say that the casting director saw my New York
[6:14] Speaker 4: headlining show when I came through on the big.
[6:16] Speaker 2: Tour, and you can say headlining.
[6:19] Speaker 4: My headlining shore and I want to say that it
[6:24] Speaker 4: was just I I got a call from my agent
[6:28] Speaker 4: and he was like, I got something crazy to tell
[6:31] Speaker 4: you about. And I was like okay, and like, my
[6:35] Speaker 4: you know, listen, I've been an independent artist. You know,
[6:39] Speaker 4: it's like I I my bar when someone tells like
[6:44] Speaker 4: I used to be like, if someone on my team
[6:46] Speaker 4: is like I had exciting news, I was like, oh
[6:47] Speaker 4: my god, my song has gone number one at radio
[6:50] Speaker 4: overnight and all of my dreams have come true and
[6:53] Speaker 4: I have one billion fans. When did I can't believe
[6:55] Speaker 4: that you've called to tell me this, right? And then
[6:58] Speaker 4: they call and they're like, well, I'm going to pay
[7:01] Speaker 4: you twenty five dollars to post seventeen posts on your Instagram?
[7:04] Speaker 4: Does that sound good? And I'm like totally, totally, thank
[7:07] Speaker 4: you so much for the opportunity.
[7:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:09] Speaker 4: So when my agent called and was like I have
[7:11] Speaker 4: something really crazy, I was like, Okay, they're going to
[7:14] Speaker 4: want me to do like, you know, a song for
[7:17] Speaker 4: free in Times Square for theing or whatever, and like
[7:20] Speaker 4: I'm down for the cause, you know what I mean.
[7:21] Speaker 4: It's like I wanted to be in theater. I want
[7:23] Speaker 4: to be in the world. I've been taking meetings, my
[7:25] Speaker 4: finger guns have been out for a while in their community.
[7:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is something you were searching for.
[7:31] Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I actually, to be honest, I was searching
[7:34] Speaker 4: for opportunities to write in musical theater even more than
[7:37] Speaker 4: I was to perform. I just like, I'm so unusual
[7:41] Speaker 4: and I feel as though it is really hard for
[7:46] Speaker 4: me to find opportunities to perform outside of ones I
[7:48] Speaker 4: create for myself because I'm six to two and I
[7:51] Speaker 4: like don't fit in a like very easy box. Actually,
[7:54] Speaker 4: speaking of auditioning, have we discussed the fact that Glee
[7:57] Speaker 4: came to my high school and auditioned kids at my
[8:00] Speaker 4: high school and I sang True Colors, Jenna, I'm sure
[8:03] Speaker 4: you're familiar. I know that you're goin. I sang your
[8:07] Speaker 4: version of True Colors as my audition for And by
[8:11] Speaker 4: the way, you know what I've said, which is so funny.
[8:13] Speaker 4: Me a little bisexual six sixteen year old seventeen year old,
[8:16] Speaker 4: I was like, I think you need more lesbians in
[8:18] Speaker 4: the show, and I think I would do great at that.
[8:19] Speaker 4: It's literally what I my pitch, which is so funny
[8:22] Speaker 4: because then the entire show since I said that, like
[8:24] Speaker 4: pivoted to really be mostly about lesbians actually, And I
[8:27] Speaker 4: was like, Okay, well you didn't need more representation you
[8:29] Speaker 4: did find just on your own. But yeah, I mean
[8:32] Speaker 4: little high school or in high school, I don't think
[8:36] Speaker 4: I ever have revealed. I've waited for this moment to
[8:38] Speaker 4: tell you about it.
[8:39] Speaker 2: What you told me about the NLT fandom, but you
[8:41] Speaker 2: never told me about this.
[8:42] Speaker 4: I am NLT is number one fan the way that
[8:45] Speaker 4: I ride for I listened to NLT a lot, and
[8:48] Speaker 4: I'm not even embarrassed to say it. I shouldn't be.
[8:49] Speaker 4: The songs are great. You're you're out here then about
[8:53] Speaker 4: this is good? You didn't.
[8:59] Speaker 2: This is how we became friends initially too. At Sophia
[9:03] Speaker 2: Bush's house, myself was on here a couple of months ago,
[9:06] Speaker 2: and Benny looks at me and starts singing an NLT song,
[9:11] Speaker 2: and I was like, who don't know, because I'm like,
[9:16] Speaker 2: I'm in a safe space. I'm like at a friend's house,
[9:20] Speaker 2: so this person.
[9:20] Speaker 4: ISID, yeah, no, And I'm like, giving fan energy this
[9:25] Speaker 4: is so difficult. And this is something that I actually
[9:27] Speaker 4: learned a lot about this time of my life when
[9:29] Speaker 4: I met you, guys. Is it's like trying to figure
[9:32] Speaker 4: out how to I think ultimately I have fan energy,
[9:35] Speaker 4: but not in a spooky way, not like I want.
[9:38] Speaker 2: That's why I recognized that. I was like right away,
[9:43] Speaker 2: I ran towards you.
[9:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, I ran into my arms. Yes, I did feel
[9:48] Speaker 4: very much as I moved to LA that I spent
[9:51] Speaker 4: a lot of time being like, oh my god, I'm
[9:53] Speaker 4: obsessed with the thing that you do and people are
[9:54] Speaker 4: like whoa, and I'm just like, oh, oh no, I'm
[9:58] Speaker 4: so sorry. Do you want me to ignore you? And
[10:00] Speaker 4: I've never heard of you before? I guess yeah, that is.
[10:03] Speaker 4: And then I like moved off of my my fan line,
[10:08] Speaker 4: and now I've circled back to being like, well, I
[10:09] Speaker 4: think I have to be myself. That's what everybody says,
[10:12] Speaker 4: that's apparently what I'm supposed to do. And so now
[10:15] Speaker 4: I'm just like I lead with this is my other trick.
[10:19] Speaker 4: This is my this is my networking, this is my
[10:21] Speaker 4: I'm thirty something trick and in the viz for a decade. Yes,
[10:25] Speaker 4: I don't do any of the Hey so great to
[10:26] Speaker 4: see you and have someone look at me and go
[10:28] Speaker 4: I go, hey, it's me Betty Who. That's what I do.
[10:31] Speaker 4: I walk into a situation I meeting somebody or re
[10:34] Speaker 4: meeting someone, I go hey, it's me Betty Who, and
[10:37] Speaker 4: they go okay, and I'm like, oh my god, I
[10:39] Speaker 4: loved you in this thing. And then they're like, that
[10:40] Speaker 4: was Betty Who, even if I remembered or didn't remember,
[10:43] Speaker 4: instead of being like hey, and then wait for them
[10:44] Speaker 4: to be like, I'm so sorry, can you tell me
[10:47] Speaker 4: you're hey, it's me Betty Who. And then when I
[10:49] Speaker 4: introduced myself, then they go and I go, I'm so sorry.
[10:51] Speaker 4: I can you tell me your name? And I've been
[10:53] Speaker 4: generous in offering mine and now it's reciprocal. It's really
[10:56] Speaker 4: working wonders for me. It's shifted.
[10:58] Speaker 2: It's a great mood move.
[11:01] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[11:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, it just opens the door you don't have.
[11:05] Speaker 4: You don't have the fan of NLT.
[11:08] Speaker 3: I'm going to do that from now on. I'm just
[11:09] Speaker 3: gonna say, hey, it's me Abody whom away.
[11:12] Speaker 4: That is the way.
[11:21] Speaker 2: The audition for Glee, he said you were searching for
[11:23] Speaker 2: theater opportunities. Were you a musical theater girly?
[11:29] Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, very much of course.
[11:32] Speaker 3: And was it a big deal that they came to
[11:33] Speaker 3: school for your school, like with everybody freaking of course?
[11:37] Speaker 4: And I remember Shelby the Girl Who, because it was
[11:40] Speaker 4: like a competition and it's like you won, and if
[11:42] Speaker 4: you won the competition at your school, then you went
[11:44] Speaker 4: into like a smaller pool of like the other schools.
[11:48] Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? I was a cellist
[11:51] Speaker 4: at Interlock and I was not a singer, so I
[11:52] Speaker 4: auditioned as a vocalist, but it's not something I'd ever
[11:55] Speaker 4: had any like training or experience.
[11:57] Speaker 2: Really, so rude, that's so rude.
[12:00] Speaker 1: Every time I guess on we have like we find
[12:02] Speaker 1: another hyphen.
[12:04] Speaker 2: No, that is so rude. How good you have to be?
[12:07] Speaker 2: Like you don't even like I'm not even a singer
[12:10] Speaker 2: and then you just had a career as a singer
[12:14] Speaker 2: playing out.
[12:15] Speaker 1: This cello on tour.
[12:17] Speaker 4: You know, that's the question. It's so funny. That's something
[12:19] Speaker 4: that I struggled with a lot. I think because my
[12:22] Speaker 4: in my head and it's all my mental illness for
[12:24] Speaker 4: no reason other than like mental illness in it right.
[12:27] Speaker 2: We all stop ourselves from doing we probably should be doing.
[12:30] Speaker 4: Hundred percent, Like my biggest song being a cover being
[12:34] Speaker 4: I Love You Always Forever by Donna Lewis, and me
[12:36] Speaker 4: being like I'm never making a cover again, like I
[12:38] Speaker 4: wish it was my music. It's like I should have
[12:39] Speaker 4: made four albums of covers. It's probably but the person
[12:44] Speaker 4: that I identify myself as as a cellist was very like
[12:49] Speaker 4: in the wrong place. It's sort of like I was
[12:51] Speaker 4: this big personality and I like didn't know how to
[12:54] Speaker 4: work out at cello because all of the other people
[12:56] Speaker 4: I looked around at wanted it so bad and I
[12:59] Speaker 4: loved the cello, but I didn't want to practice eight
[13:02] Speaker 4: hours a day so I could make it into an orchestra,
[13:04] Speaker 4: so I could like be a serious, buttoned up person
[13:06] Speaker 4: who like played classical music all the time. And I
[13:09] Speaker 4: love classical music, and I've come so full circle to
[13:14] Speaker 4: like loving that pot of myself and my history in it.
[13:17] Speaker 4: But I think when I was starting Betty Who, it
[13:19] Speaker 4: was actually such a like pensul and swing away from
[13:22] Speaker 4: the thing I've been doing for like because it's like
[13:24] Speaker 4: I wasn't professional because I wasn't being paid for it.
[13:26] Speaker 4: I was paying an enormous amount to study this thing,
[13:31] Speaker 4: but like I was playing cello four to six hours
[13:33] Speaker 4: a day. It's like hogwarts for music, you know what
[13:35] Speaker 4: I mean. It's like I remember the feeling of being
[13:37] Speaker 4: like this is as close to doing this full time
[13:40] Speaker 4: as I will probably ever get because I have realized
[13:43] Speaker 4: that I don't have the you have to like want
[13:46] Speaker 4: it you have to have the drive. And like there
[13:48] Speaker 4: are these girls from Korea whose families are sacrificing everything
[13:53] Speaker 4: so they can come to interlock in and practice every
[13:56] Speaker 4: minute of the day. And I was like, hey, I
[13:58] Speaker 4: love that for you. You got it like callouses that
[14:02] Speaker 4: like came out of their fingers from practicing every day.
[14:05] Speaker 4: And I'm like, WHOA couldn't be me. I'm like, you know,
[14:07] Speaker 4: trying to like make friends and like write songs in
[14:09] Speaker 4: the basement while everybody else is like playing playing classical music.
[14:13] Speaker 4: So I think when I think about using cello, I
[14:16] Speaker 4: was like started to dip aitew. It's been very very
[14:21] Speaker 4: rgus and slow getting me here. But like on my
[14:24] Speaker 4: lost record, the last song on the album is called
[14:26] Speaker 4: grown Up scirl Pot, and I'm playing the guitar and
[14:29] Speaker 4: the piano and the cello in that song in that piece,
[14:34] Speaker 4: and like playing cello on a song for my record
[14:38] Speaker 4: was like felt like a huge stele. But it was
[14:40] Speaker 4: so funny. Just the producer, who I've known for so long,
[14:42] Speaker 4: SAME's Martin Martin Johnson, was producing this record and he
[14:45] Speaker 4: was what, I pulled my cello out, I'd like brought
[14:47] Speaker 4: it to we like I drove to Utah and I
[14:50] Speaker 4: like made this record in Utah with him, and I
[14:52] Speaker 4: brought my cello in the backseat of my jeep and
[14:54] Speaker 4: I like sat down with my cello to play on
[14:56] Speaker 4: this number, and he was like, whoa, I am looking
[15:00] Speaker 4: at twelve year old you whoah. It's like the second
[15:03] Speaker 4: I'm sitting with a cello, I am instantly the ten
[15:06] Speaker 4: year old you know playing it. So I think that
[15:09] Speaker 4: now I'm ready to accept that as being really beautiful.
[15:12] Speaker 4: But I think when you're like a young twenty something,
[15:14] Speaker 4: you're like, noah, different, it.
[15:16] Speaker 2: Would reject everything from that time. It's just yeah yeah.
[15:21] Speaker 4: And then like a cello, I think of like cello
[15:23] Speaker 4: as being like the sexy you know the Bond girls.
[15:25] Speaker 4: You remember girls who were like they wore short skirts
[15:28] Speaker 4: and they had the electric instruments and they their hair
[15:31] Speaker 4: and they were playing you know, movie music. Yeah, that's
[15:34] Speaker 4: like that's the kind of cellis that. Now I'm like, oh,
[15:37] Speaker 4: I could do that.
[15:38] Speaker 2: Yes, I want to see Betty Who tour.
[15:43] Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, who knows? Who knows it will be on
[15:47] Speaker 4: this one, but it might it might before maybe when
[15:49] Speaker 4: I age out of dancing with my knees can't take
[15:51] Speaker 4: it anymore. That's when the cello will really come back
[15:53] Speaker 4: into play.
[15:54] Speaker 2: Another thing that you can just do really well. And
[15:56] Speaker 2: the Betty Who experience is great.
[15:58] Speaker 4: If anyone who's I'm going on tour the summer, I
[16:02] Speaker 4: hope I'll see you there. Yes, you too. It is
[16:05] Speaker 4: mostly the royal you, but also mostly you too.
[16:08] Speaker 1: Specific Okay, out of the out of the Darkness tour.
[16:10] Speaker 4: Yeah, Jenna's Jenna's getting a sitter and she'll be there.
[16:14] Speaker 1: Yes, I'm getting a sitter and I will.
[16:15] Speaker 2: I've been your backup answer before you have.
[16:18] Speaker 4: You have your inner somebody loves you a music video.
[16:20] Speaker 2: That's right.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Well, speaking up, I had another transition.
[16:24] Speaker 2: Hello, oh no, we can't go there yet. We need
[16:26] Speaker 2: to finish Haites Town. Oh my god, I need to
[16:31] Speaker 2: know how this happened. So we got a call.
[16:33] Speaker 1: We got a call for something.
[16:34] Speaker 4: We really got a call and my yes and the
[16:36] Speaker 4: and the bar was on the floor for me. I
[16:38] Speaker 4: was like thinking that they were going to get me
[16:39] Speaker 4: to like, you know, introduce I don't know, uh don
[16:42] Speaker 4: a Mentelle somewhere or something. And my agent was like,
[16:47] Speaker 4: we have an offer for you to play for Sephonie
[16:48] Speaker 4: and Hadestown come.
[16:50] Speaker 2: On, offer, I said, did you say offer? Yeah, somebody
[16:54] Speaker 2: wants me?
[16:55] Speaker 4: What is me? It's me? Yeah? Yeah, So I think
[17:02] Speaker 4: I felt it was like Cloud nine. You know, there
[17:06] Speaker 4: are moments like I know you both know you look
[17:10] Speaker 4: so hot, so hot, and then you're like, what was
[17:16] Speaker 4: it all for? And the question remains a lot of
[17:19] Speaker 4: the time, and then like for no reason. Maybe it's
[17:23] Speaker 4: because of all that hard work, or maybe it's like
[17:26] Speaker 4: some random person thought of you and it just was
[17:29] Speaker 4: you were lucky as hell and that phone that phone call,
[17:35] Speaker 4: it accumulates, and that that phone call was one of
[17:37] Speaker 4: them where I'm like, I didn't even ask for this
[17:40] Speaker 4: and it's just gonna happen. This doesn't feel fair.
[17:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is fair because I have seen you
[17:46] Speaker 2: grind and work for so long and like it's not
[17:51] Speaker 2: easy being an independent artist, and like every vision you
[17:55] Speaker 2: do it all like since you're like before your first album, and.
[18:01] Speaker 4: Well, I know, I really have known you guys for
[18:04] Speaker 4: so long.
[18:04] Speaker 2: So long, sorrow long.
[18:07] Speaker 4: It's really crazy. I do think about that because I
[18:10] Speaker 4: also feel like I am a manifestor in a lot
[18:14] Speaker 4: of ways about like the first famouses that I met
[18:17] Speaker 4: in Los Angeles when I came out here and I
[18:19] Speaker 4: remember being such I was like a gleek, a bit
[18:22] Speaker 4: huge gleek. And also John Talker Musta is one of
[18:25] Speaker 4: my favorite childhood movies and Bush was like one of
[18:27] Speaker 4: my gay awakenings in that movie because she's like, I'm
[18:29] Speaker 4: going to kiss you, and I was like, why do
[18:31] Speaker 4: I have to pee? Do you know what I mean?
[18:33] Speaker 2: Because she has the most perfect face known demand that.
[18:37] Speaker 4: I'm speaking of aging backwards. She is not Kardling.
[18:39] Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what is in her genes,
[18:43] Speaker 2: but good god, I know, so to like.
[18:46] Speaker 4: Go to one of my first being like invited to
[18:48] Speaker 4: my first like social thing in La and it was
[18:51] Speaker 4: like you guys and Sophia Bush. I was like, I
[18:53] Speaker 4: think I did this. I think that I think my
[18:57] Speaker 4: vision ward speaking of my vision board. You know what else?
[19:00] Speaker 4: One of my favorite momes from Glee is safety Dance
[19:03] Speaker 4: because Kevin McHale speaking of another thing that you're so
[19:05] Speaker 4: amazing at is also dancing, and you did not get
[19:08] Speaker 4: to do enough of it. I'm seeing you wheel around
[19:10] Speaker 4: in this chair, moving your upper body like your life
[19:13] Speaker 4: depends on it, and I love that you you sold it.
[19:17] Speaker 4: But getting to see you hop up and out and
[19:19] Speaker 4: do give your gift a little spin out there. Safety
[19:21] Speaker 4: dance is one of my favorite moments in the whole show.
[19:25] Speaker 2: Well, I got to be a Betty who backup dancer
[19:27] Speaker 2: with Kelly for one number one, So blood a dream
[19:31] Speaker 2: you were?
[19:32] Speaker 4: Actually you were the first person you told me, Kevin
[19:36] Speaker 4: that somebody loved you was going to be in the show.
[19:38] Speaker 4: Did I do it?
[19:39] Speaker 2: Did I do?
[19:39] Speaker 4: Jenna?
[19:40] Speaker 2: Okay?
[19:41] Speaker 4: Where I pivoted us into the right place? You?
[19:43] Speaker 2: Yeah? Can you can you tell? Because I remember rehearsing
[19:47] Speaker 2: your number. I remember shooting your number because also Becca
[19:50] Speaker 2: said I smelled, which was like a really important thing
[19:53] Speaker 2: to learn about yourself.
[19:54] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's nice.
[19:56] Speaker 1: You'll never forget that there unlocked somebody.
[19:59] Speaker 2: Telling you that you Yeah, it was, it truly was.
[20:01] Speaker 1: But wait, so you knew and told Betty that her
[20:05] Speaker 1: song was me in the show?
[20:07] Speaker 3: I guess, But you didn't know.
[20:10] Speaker 4: I recall.
[20:11] Speaker 1: Didn't you have to approve it?
[20:14] Speaker 4: I feel like in my recollection, which now I think
[20:18] Speaker 4: might be made up given how little either of you
[20:20] Speaker 4: seem to.
[20:21] Speaker 2: No, no, don't trust our memories your Yeah.
[20:25] Speaker 4: What I recall is getting a text from you, Kevin
[20:29] Speaker 4: being like I think that somebody loves you. It's going
[20:31] Speaker 4: to be in the show. And I wanted, I wanted,
[20:34] Speaker 4: I want to sing it, but they won't let me.
[20:37] Speaker 4: It's now going to be Darren and Chris and I'm
[20:39] Speaker 4: so jealous, but I will dance my ass off and
[20:43] Speaker 4: I was like wait, and then I remember like the
[20:44] Speaker 4: official offer coming in, like you know, because you have
[20:46] Speaker 4: to miss some music supervisor likes approve the sink or whatever.
[20:51] Speaker 4: But I do think that you were the one being like,
[20:53] Speaker 4: I think this is going to happen. And then it did,
[20:56] Speaker 4: and I was on the phone to want my One
[20:59] Speaker 4: of my best friends is Lizzie. She is the biggest
[21:01] Speaker 4: gleek that I know, and I did. I texted her saying,
[21:03] Speaker 4: huge news for Lilly Perkins. I'm going to be on
[21:05] Speaker 4: and that's what you missed. And she sent me like
[21:07] Speaker 4: tears in her eyes, like so exciting, really exciting for her.
[21:11] Speaker 4: Exciting for me too, but you know I mostly lived
[21:14] Speaker 4: vicariously for her. Yeah a good friend, yeah yeah, yeah,
[21:18] Speaker 4: except to Telly, yeah, but full circle yeah yeah. And
[21:23] Speaker 4: I texted her about this and she was like, she
[21:25] Speaker 4: was like, do you know what a culturally significant moment
[21:28] Speaker 4: Glee was and you had a song on that show?
[21:30] Speaker 4: Do you know who doesn't have a song on that show?
[21:32] Speaker 4: And then she named all these people who were like
[21:34] Speaker 4: much more famous and successful than me, and she was like,
[21:36] Speaker 4: they don't have songs on Glee, but you know who
[21:38] Speaker 4: does Betty for you? And I was like, honestly, honestly, Linds.
[21:42] Speaker 1: We need champions like that.
[21:44] Speaker 3: You need champions like that all the time, just to
[21:47] Speaker 3: remind you of all the winds.
[21:50] Speaker 2: What a great memory, because that absolutely is a text
[21:53] Speaker 2: I sent.
[21:54] Speaker 3: So Kevin had the behind he had the behind the scenes,
[21:56] Speaker 3: he knew before well.
[21:57] Speaker 2: And we would get the initial script because we would
[22:00] Speaker 2: find out later when songs were changed before we actually
[22:03] Speaker 2: shot them, that they would assume, I think that we
[22:06] Speaker 2: could get any song we wanted.
[22:07] Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah it was powerful, yeah.
[22:10] Speaker 2: System, yes, so they would put the songs in there.
[22:15] Speaker 2: And Kelly was in the writer's room at this point too,
[22:17] Speaker 2: so I'm sure you know if someone was asking for
[22:19] Speaker 2: a suggestions.
[22:20] Speaker 4: Between you and Kelly both being like, hey, you know
[22:25] Speaker 4: what we should do, I feel like I feel like
[22:27] Speaker 4: one of you was the one who suggested it, Like
[22:29] Speaker 4: I know I know that it was because I had
[22:32] Speaker 4: a homie putting putting in a good order.
[22:34] Speaker 2: It was not, but that song was already doing. You
[22:37] Speaker 2: didn't need us that song maybe maybe I don't know,
[22:40] Speaker 2: a life of its own, and it was it was
[22:43] Speaker 2: taking over the internet, and you know, it was a
[22:47] Speaker 2: gay anthem and our show was gay grey. It was
[22:52] Speaker 2: really good, good, very yeah.
[22:55] Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean that's why it was so impactful to me.
[22:57] Speaker 4: That's why I'm like a seventeen year old and he
[22:59] Speaker 4: was like auditioning on the stage interlock and being like,
[23:02] Speaker 4: I think I would make a great lesbian for your show,
[23:04] Speaker 4: and then singing a song. Is because I felt like so.
[23:08] Speaker 4: I love the fact that it was shining a light
[23:11] Speaker 4: on sort of all of the parts of and obviously
[23:13] Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys have heard this a billion times
[23:15] Speaker 4: over in your entire lifespan. But like the things that
[23:18] Speaker 4: made me feel uncool, Glee made shan a light on
[23:23] Speaker 4: to make it seem way cooler than I felt about it.
[23:26] Speaker 4: And so the fact that I loved musical theater or like,
[23:28] Speaker 4: and also the catalog of music that I was introduced
[23:30] Speaker 4: to because I was a young person who had never
[23:32] Speaker 4: heard dream On before I watched the show it's like
[23:37] Speaker 4: I loved that it sort of it really gave me.
[23:41] Speaker 4: I have a friend who uses the term unbullied theater
[23:44] Speaker 4: kid a lot to describe people who have a lot
[23:46] Speaker 4: of energy, and I actually think that Glee probably spawned
[23:49] Speaker 4: like a lot of unbullied theater kids, and maybe we
[23:51] Speaker 4: need to be like this much more bullied, you know
[23:53] Speaker 4: what I mean, just a little bit of humility around me.
[23:57] Speaker 4: You're like chipped away from the edges.
[23:59] Speaker 3: You know.
[24:01] Speaker 4: But it did give me a sort of confidence that
[24:03] Speaker 4: I that I actually I wonder if I would have had.
[24:07] Speaker 4: And that's how I became a fan of LTS because
[24:09] Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, he's so great and
[24:10] Speaker 4: I love this boy. And then I googled Kevin mchall
[24:12] Speaker 4: and I was like, he was in a boy band.
[24:14] Speaker 4: I also love boy bands.
[24:16] Speaker 2: I did not know this was the road.
[24:19] Speaker 4: Have we ever? Have you ever spoken this much about
[24:21] Speaker 4: NLT on this show? I hope that my episode is
[24:24] Speaker 4: actually it's not the Betty Who episode, it's the NLT
[24:26] Speaker 4: episode isisode?
[24:28] Speaker 1: Oh god, we haven't spoken this much about it.
[24:31] Speaker 2: I don't know we have not. For those of you
[24:32] Speaker 2: who don't know, I was in a boy band called
[24:34] Speaker 2: NLT before you know.
[24:35] Speaker 4: Well you and a girl band, and I didn't know about.
[24:37] Speaker 2: It, like I was not.
[24:40] Speaker 1: I was an unbillied theater kid.
[24:42] Speaker 4: I love that and it worked and it's worked out
[24:44] Speaker 4: for you? Really well? It did it? Did you were
[24:47] Speaker 4: also on Broadway? I was did you? What was your experience?
[24:52] Speaker 4: You loved it? I think we're gluttons for punishment. I
[24:54] Speaker 4: think you have to be if you.
[24:55] Speaker 2: Love it, It's like, really, you really do.
[24:57] Speaker 4: It ruined my life, but it was also the happiest
[24:59] Speaker 4: I've ever been both at the same time. Do you
[25:01] Speaker 4: know what I mean?
[25:02] Speaker 2: For sure?
[25:02] Speaker 1: Was it the schedule that ruined your life? Like it's jarring?
[25:07] Speaker 4: It is jarring? Eight times a week is like maybe
[25:10] Speaker 4: too many times. I would need to say I'm gonna
[25:13] Speaker 4: go I'm gonna go out on a limb and say
[25:15] Speaker 4: that it is many times a week, and it is. Yeah,
[25:18] Speaker 4: But I think I think it just did a number
[25:21] Speaker 4: on my body. I felt like, and if I when
[25:25] Speaker 4: let me correct myself, on me manifest it. When I
[25:26] Speaker 4: do it again, that's right, I will have so many
[25:31] Speaker 4: more tools to help support me because I have the experience.
[25:34] Speaker 4: But it nothing will ever be like the first time
[25:36] Speaker 4: you do it because especially coming from a totally different
[25:40] Speaker 4: scal Like I thought I was like rock and roll,
[25:43] Speaker 4: Like I play four or five shows a week on tour,
[25:47] Speaker 4: and like there are some people like pop stars who
[25:49] Speaker 4: don't do more than two three shows a week because
[25:50] Speaker 4: it's like so much on your body. And also you're
[25:53] Speaker 4: like carrying an entire show by yourself. It's not like
[25:55] Speaker 4: you're a part of an ensemble.
[25:58] Speaker 1: For sure.
[25:59] Speaker 4: So I thought that I was. Yeah, I thought I
[26:01] Speaker 4: was like rock and roll. But that's team sport. As
[26:04] Speaker 4: you say, Jenna, that's actually one of my the things
[26:06] Speaker 4: that I love the most about it. Like I think,
[26:09] Speaker 4: like I always wish That's why I'm obsessed with NLT.
[26:11] Speaker 4: Just to bring it back to We're just.
[26:17] Speaker 2: Connection.
[26:17] Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, where he's gonna candy episode, He's like, we
[26:20] Speaker 4: can't air this. No. The reason I'm obsessed with boy
[26:23] Speaker 4: bands and like you know, is because I I think
[26:26] Speaker 4: there I have this fantasy that I always wish that
[26:29] Speaker 4: I was in a group because I am such a
[26:31] Speaker 4: social creature by nature. Like when I played tennis, I
[26:35] Speaker 4: loved playing tennis, but I didn't playing softball because when
[26:40] Speaker 4: I was on the softball team, then I like had
[26:42] Speaker 4: people to reflect like I feel like I'm I'm a
[26:45] Speaker 4: really good member of a team because I have a
[26:48] Speaker 4: great attitude for the most part, Like I you know,
[26:50] Speaker 4: like I was. I was basically accepted to my performing
[26:53] Speaker 4: offs high school because I had a really great attitude,
[26:55] Speaker 4: not because I had the talent. He was like, you
[26:58] Speaker 4: need so much help with cello, and I think I
[27:00] Speaker 4: can give it to you. But the only reason I'm
[27:02] Speaker 4: really letting you in is because I think that you'll
[27:04] Speaker 4: be a really great addition to that we need. Like
[27:06] Speaker 4: good vibes, bring the vibes.
[27:12] Speaker 2: Similar.
[27:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm not I'm going to give you Like
[27:15] Speaker 1: I'm not.
[27:18] Speaker 4: I'm giving an a plus in.
[27:21] Speaker 6: Vibes personality, right, But I think, but I think that
[27:28] Speaker 6: that is what I loved about being on Broadway and
[27:30] Speaker 6: being Yeah, I loved it.
[27:33] Speaker 4: It's like pressure is just so different, and I loved
[27:36] Speaker 4: being someone who, even if I was having a horrible day,
[27:39] Speaker 4: could be like, look at us all it's easy for
[27:42] Speaker 4: I don't know if you had this too, Like it's
[27:43] Speaker 4: easy enough for me, who's like coming from a totally
[27:47] Speaker 4: different world. The world that you're in is the hottest
[27:50] Speaker 4: world to have. Like gratitude for yes, and so walking
[27:55] Speaker 4: into my first day of Broadway rehearsals, I was like, eny, yeah,
[27:59] Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like I was ready to
[28:02] Speaker 4: be present and soak it all up. And it's like,
[28:07] Speaker 4: you know, it's harder for me to do that in
[28:08] Speaker 4: music because I have so much I'm like, what are
[28:11] Speaker 4: we doing?
[28:13] Speaker 2: But it's also all on you, Like it's your project,
[28:17] Speaker 2: it's your vision, it's your thing. This is like, oh,
[28:20] Speaker 2: I know the music is good.
[28:23] Speaker 1: I'm stepping into this.
[28:24] Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's crazy too. I mean, you guys are
[28:26] Speaker 4: like actors and in a you know, you have so
[28:28] Speaker 4: much more experience obviously being on camera and acting from
[28:31] Speaker 4: a different way than I do. But that was something
[28:32] Speaker 4: that was really crazy to me. Is sort of the
[28:34] Speaker 4: like coming from music, it is all in my control,
[28:38] Speaker 4: for better and for worse. And so to walk in
[28:40] Speaker 4: I remember, like the director on our first day rehearsals,
[28:43] Speaker 4: Rachel Chapkin, my queen, She's like, we were having a
[28:47] Speaker 4: table sort of conversation, me and the guy who's going
[28:49] Speaker 4: to play my husband, Philip boy and my boyfriend obsessed
[28:51] Speaker 4: with him. We were all sitting talking and someone asked
[28:54] Speaker 4: a question. The assistant director is like what time are
[28:56] Speaker 4: we rehearsing tomorrow? And I'm like, I think the schedule
[28:58] Speaker 4: says four pm. And Rachel the director looks, she goes, hey,
[29:01] Speaker 4: you don't have to worry about any of that stuff anymore.
[29:02] Speaker 4: You're just here to do this part. And I was like, whoa, yes, yes, ye,
[29:08] Speaker 4: thank you for the note.
[29:09] Speaker 2: Yes, I love a.
[29:11] Speaker 4: Note, thank you for the note. I will I will
[29:13] Speaker 4: internalize the note, I will sleep on the note, and
[29:15] Speaker 4: I will return and we've been ready to work. Yeah
[29:20] Speaker 4: really yeah, really really shot me out of my body
[29:24] Speaker 4: for a second, being like oh so I think. But
[29:26] Speaker 4: then it's like there's a choice that they tell you
[29:28] Speaker 4: to make, and you're kind of like, I don't want
[29:29] Speaker 4: to make that choice. So it's like the push and
[29:31] Speaker 4: pull of the control versus giving up control.
[29:35] Speaker 2: So nice.
[29:36] Speaker 4: Sometimes it's nice, Oh my god, tell me where to
[29:39] Speaker 4: stand to say and I'll see it.
[29:42] Speaker 2: So that's how we live. They're just tell me when
[29:47] Speaker 2: to start talking, and I'll do it.
[29:50] Speaker 1: And I will give you seven eight yes, a little blair,
[29:54] Speaker 1: and that's it.
[30:02] Speaker 2: The live experience, because you have so much experience performing live,
[30:06] Speaker 2: going on tour and all different kinds of venues.
[30:10] Speaker 1: But versus a theater performance.
[30:12] Speaker 2: A theater acting yeah in a character, Like what is
[30:17] Speaker 2: that terrifying? Like was that a whole different level or
[30:20] Speaker 2: was that like, Oh I got this.
[30:22] Speaker 4: I think I am ultimately really proud of the way
[30:25] Speaker 4: I showed up on my first night, obviously, like and
[30:30] Speaker 4: it grows so much. That's something that really shook me
[30:33] Speaker 4: to my core because like I'm building a tour right now,
[30:35] Speaker 4: I'm about to go onto this summer. Normally, what we'll
[30:38] Speaker 4: do is we'll stop in a city, a smaller city,
[30:41] Speaker 4: and play a smaller venue than the rest of the
[30:43] Speaker 4: venues as a warm up show. You go, this is
[30:46] Speaker 4: the first time we're running to do. If you will, Yeah,
[30:48] Speaker 4: where you go? I'm gonna I'm going to fall on
[30:51] Speaker 4: my face, and the people in Phoenix, Arizona are going
[30:53] Speaker 4: to be really kind and generous with me because I'm
[30:55] Speaker 4: going to say, this is our first show. You're like
[30:56] Speaker 4: seeing a work in progress. Thank you so much. You
[30:59] Speaker 4: don't like open in front of everybody who's going to
[31:02] Speaker 4: come see you, And that's the time they're going to
[31:04] Speaker 4: come see you, do you know what I mean? Opening
[31:07] Speaker 4: night and I remember seeing Heather Headley in the Color
[31:09] Speaker 4: Purple on her opening night when she took over from
[31:11] Speaker 4: Jennifer Hudson. Yes, And I remember she dropped a line
[31:16] Speaker 4: and she and she went and she picked it up
[31:19] Speaker 4: and she just and it actually, to me felt so
[31:21] Speaker 4: exciting to see you, like the process of her going
[31:25] Speaker 4: this titan of performer that I think can do no
[31:28] Speaker 4: wrong dropping a line and nobody died. Yeah, and everything's fine,
[31:33] Speaker 4: and she handled it gracefully and it actually gave me
[31:35] Speaker 4: goosey seeing her fall back into it. I'm like, oh
[31:37] Speaker 4: my god, how exciting. So I think I am ultimately
[31:40] Speaker 4: really proud of how I showed up at my opening night.
[31:44] Speaker 4: But I remember I opened like September fifth, and I
[31:48] Speaker 4: was in it until February fourth or something like that.
[31:51] Speaker 4: So in that span, I remember like Thanksgiving being like
[31:55] Speaker 4: I think I'm eating this up, but like that's two
[31:57] Speaker 4: months later, do you know what I mean. Yeah, So,
[32:00] Speaker 4: like in a pop show, we have one warm up
[32:02] Speaker 4: show and then it's tight and we are doing it
[32:04] Speaker 4: and no changes are being made and we are hitting it.
[32:07] Speaker 4: For me, like in a month of rehearsals and the
[32:10] Speaker 4: director looking at me being like, well, you're going to
[32:12] Speaker 4: find it. I'm like, what do you No, No, no,
[32:14] Speaker 4: that's not an answer to my question, what do you
[32:15] Speaker 4: mean I'm going to find it? I need to know
[32:17] Speaker 4: what it is so that that's so interesting, like you're
[32:22] Speaker 4: thrown out to go. I'm going to find this in
[32:25] Speaker 4: front of you. And it is the most vulnerable thing
[32:28] Speaker 4: I've ever done in my life. And I've done some
[32:30] Speaker 4: strange and vulnerable things, yes, And I think the experience
[32:34] Speaker 4: of like showing up and finding it in front of everybody,
[32:39] Speaker 4: to then arrive and know that I and start to
[32:42] Speaker 4: be like, oh, I think I've dropped in. Of course,
[32:45] Speaker 4: I do wish that the part where I arrived and
[32:48] Speaker 4: went I now I figured it out. I kind of
[32:50] Speaker 4: do wish that was like September fifth, do you know
[32:52] Speaker 4: what I mean? I think that's a goal that I
[32:55] Speaker 4: would have it to go back to a show with
[32:58] Speaker 4: is shortened my amount of time that it took me
[33:01] Speaker 4: to get comfortable and drop in. It's like that was
[33:04] Speaker 4: two and a half months, Like I'd love to do
[33:06] Speaker 4: it in six weeks next time or part.
[33:08] Speaker 2: Of the magic though, I feel like I feel the
[33:11] Speaker 2: exact same way as you. But when I hear people
[33:14] Speaker 2: who do shows for like years or something, how do.
[33:17] Speaker 4: You do a show that.
[33:20] Speaker 2: No idea, but the fact that the key seems to be,
[33:26] Speaker 2: like the one consistent thing everybody seems to say is
[33:28] Speaker 2: that they are finding new things things, yeah, every night.
[33:32] Speaker 2: And so maybe I'm saying this more for me than
[33:37] Speaker 2: for you, but I feel like.
[33:38] Speaker 4: No, yeah, but that's a part of it.
[33:40] Speaker 2: But like yeah, like sort of like I guess the
[33:42] Speaker 2: grace that you give yourself to sort of explore that
[33:45] Speaker 2: where pop world, the perfectionist musician in us is like, no,
[33:51] Speaker 2: this has to be right, this has to be my
[33:53] Speaker 2: vision immediately, so you can see exactly what I'm able
[33:56] Speaker 2: to give you as opposed to this is a complex character,
[34:00] Speaker 2: and you're seeing a full character and embodied on stage,
[34:04] Speaker 2: interacting with other people as other actors are coming and
[34:07] Speaker 2: going y. And so for your own sanity to not
[34:11] Speaker 2: get tired of playing a role for five months or
[34:13] Speaker 2: wherever long you're doing it is to be able to
[34:16] Speaker 2: make yourself excited every night too, with the possibility of
[34:20] Speaker 2: finding something new.
[34:22] Speaker 4: Well, And like, you know, I felt so lucky because
[34:26] Speaker 4: Haiti's town is so epic. It's like it's not you know,
[34:33] Speaker 4: it's much less five to six, seven eight than I
[34:35] Speaker 4: feel like my personality is do you know what I mean?
[34:38] Speaker 4: It's like it's giving art, it's giving Eric. It's the
[34:42] Speaker 4: first time I saw it. I remember being like, I
[34:44] Speaker 4: don't know if I get it. I know it made
[34:46] Speaker 4: me feel something, but I and I'm pretty I'm pretty smart,
[34:51] Speaker 4: and I walked away being like, I know that it
[34:55] Speaker 4: made me feel but I have so many questions, and
[34:58] Speaker 4: it's like I wish I was in rehearsal. Yeah, and
[35:02] Speaker 4: I watched it so often when I was in rehearsals,
[35:04] Speaker 4: you know, I would like for rehearsals just like standing
[35:06] Speaker 4: at the back of the room and watching the track.
[35:07] Speaker 4: And then I did the moment where you're staying on
[35:08] Speaker 4: the side and you're like following the try was like
[35:11] Speaker 4: following Joelle around that she did her performance. And I remember,
[35:16] Speaker 4: like being in the show three months in being like, oh,
[35:20] Speaker 4: that's really beautiful, Like there's it's so dense. Yeah that
[35:24] Speaker 4: I think it. It gave me so much opportunity to
[35:28] Speaker 4: continue that exploration that you're talking about, keV. That's like
[35:32] Speaker 4: I am still finding how do I make This line
[35:35] Speaker 4: has never really made sense to me, And I'm just
[35:37] Speaker 4: saying it because I have to say it because this
[35:38] Speaker 4: is the time that I say this line. But now
[35:41] Speaker 4: all of the other lines I have figured out what
[35:43] Speaker 4: they mean and how to make make sense. And now
[35:45] Speaker 4: this line is the one that I'm going to spend
[35:47] Speaker 4: the next week trying to make it land and feel
[35:49] Speaker 4: not like I'm coming out with my body to say
[35:51] Speaker 4: the line that I'm supposed to say before I like
[35:53] Speaker 4: drop it. You know, I also learned so much about
[35:56] Speaker 4: and Jenna, I'm so curious to see like your experience
[35:58] Speaker 4: about this too, like I.
[35:59] Speaker 2: Learned, and.
[36:01] Speaker 4: Film and TV is so such a different mode than theater,
[36:06] Speaker 4: and it's such a different embodiment to me, Like because
[36:09] Speaker 4: in film and TV something I think I'm really good at,
[36:12] Speaker 4: or like music videos, or like doing anything with camera,
[36:15] Speaker 4: I'm thinking about camera and I'm thinking about angle on
[36:18] Speaker 4: camera and where is the camera and find it's like
[36:21] Speaker 4: that it's a part of your the interplay of your performance,
[36:26] Speaker 4: and in a in a theater setting, of course, all
[36:29] Speaker 4: of that is gone. And I learned so much from
[36:32] Speaker 4: watching because I tried to see a lot of theater
[36:34] Speaker 4: while I was like while I was in rehearsals and
[36:37] Speaker 4: getting ready for the show, and then when I left
[36:38] Speaker 4: the show, I did like a week after I closed,
[36:41] Speaker 4: where I saw a show like seven shows in. I remember,
[36:48] Speaker 4: and I learned so much about like what being dropped
[36:51] Speaker 4: in means, Like that's such a like dropped in, like
[36:57] Speaker 4: you shut up, Like what do you talkking about?
[37:01] Speaker 2: True?
[37:01] Speaker 4: And I saw it and I like remember being like, oh,
[37:06] Speaker 4: it's the thing of making yourself the most alive and
[37:10] Speaker 4: open and present. It's about being present, and like so
[37:16] Speaker 4: much of my pop music life, I'm like, yeah, it's
[37:21] Speaker 4: like I'm I do feel present, but I'm in my
[37:24] Speaker 4: I'm a little bit more inside of myself thinking about
[37:26] Speaker 4: what I'm doing and serving. And it's not the same mechanism.
[37:29] Speaker 4: And I thought it would translate a lot and it
[37:31] Speaker 4: doesn't at all.
[37:32] Speaker 2: And I for any it's like this may be a
[37:37] Speaker 2: little too specific for any. No, it's never never understand this.
[37:41] Speaker 2: I really will Beyonce tours before Renaissance. It's the pop
[37:47] Speaker 2: star perfectionist, you know, the little sort of we're going
[37:51] Speaker 2: to hit these fun She is working, yes, and then Renaissance.
[37:58] Speaker 2: She's dropping lyrics, she's talking to audience members. She's never
[38:02] Speaker 2: looked more alive on stage in her life. Yes, Yes,
[38:06] Speaker 2: and we feel Yes. The same, but like when you
[38:10] Speaker 2: see somebody who's quote unquote dropped in the even if
[38:14] Speaker 2: it's in a stadium or if it's in a theater,
[38:16] Speaker 2: you feel that as an audience member.
[38:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Heather Headley dropping her line and I go,
[38:22] Speaker 4: but nothing has ever been more human or alive or
[38:24] Speaker 4: like in front of me. And I think that it's
[38:27] Speaker 4: so funny because culturally we grew up in the same
[38:30] Speaker 4: era of like obviously Beyonce is such a kind of
[38:33] Speaker 4: the peak of you know, performance sort of. It's like
[38:37] Speaker 4: feels like so often people have been chasing her for forever,
[38:39] Speaker 4: whether it's like when people were on stage or like
[38:41] Speaker 4: she's such a trendsetter as far as like how to
[38:43] Speaker 4: do the thing that we do in our so growing
[38:47] Speaker 4: up and like studying her, I have spent so much time.
[38:50] Speaker 4: I feel like this is also a bonding moment for us.
[38:52] Speaker 4: Was like really talking about Beyonce on this level, like
[38:57] Speaker 4: I love single Ladies, where like the performance from Glastonbury
[39:02] Speaker 4: the end of time, but do you know what I mean?
[39:05] Speaker 4: And I feel like that a version of her informed
[39:10] Speaker 4: so much of what I actually learned about like perfectionism.
[39:15] Speaker 4: But I actually think that's the thing that for someone
[39:18] Speaker 4: who wasn't a Beyonce fan in that era, that's what
[39:21] Speaker 4: was alienating to them as they go. I get that
[39:23] Speaker 4: she's good, but I have a hard time connecting with it.
[39:25] Speaker 4: And I never understood that because I'm like, what do
[39:27] Speaker 4: you mean?
[39:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, because like the boy bands are Britney Spears, it
[39:30] Speaker 2: was all perfection. Everything was, yes, absolutely, and it's.
[39:36] Speaker 4: Not like free painting. And I think that, and like
[39:41] Speaker 4: when I see free painting at work in pop music,
[39:44] Speaker 4: I'm a little bit like, can we get some structure
[39:45] Speaker 4: in here? I want a little bit of five scent,
[39:48] Speaker 4: And so finding the balance of that, I think is
[39:50] Speaker 4: something I'm watching her do because she's like had children
[39:54] Speaker 4: and has less, you know, I think it feels more
[39:57] Speaker 4: free in a way, and so I think that it
[39:59] Speaker 4: really does seem to be a balance between those things.
[40:01] Speaker 4: And I think that's like a really great example of
[40:04] Speaker 4: me being in Hadestown and being like, I'm supposed to
[40:06] Speaker 4: be this thing, and then I'm like, but I'm thinking
[40:09] Speaker 4: about it too much, and then I'm like, no, I'm
[40:11] Speaker 4: in the room, and it's crazy. I felt very much
[40:14] Speaker 4: like I was playing a video game that was the
[40:18] Speaker 4: same video game over and over again, and each performance
[40:21] Speaker 4: was me trying to get a higher score. I'm trying
[40:23] Speaker 4: to get the perfect score on the game, and if
[40:27] Speaker 4: I trip over myself here, it's like deduct ten points.
[40:30] Speaker 2: You know, It's like funny, Yeah, that was That.
[40:32] Speaker 4: Was the experience I sometimes came. I felt like I
[40:35] Speaker 4: was like yeah, like you know, you like wind up
[40:37] Speaker 4: the toy and then all of a sudden you're like
[40:39] Speaker 4: off to the races again doing the same thing. But
[40:42] Speaker 4: I did ultimately fall in love with it, and it's
[40:45] Speaker 4: changed the way I approach performing because it's so much
[40:48] Speaker 4: more of that like in the room, coming from you know,
[40:50] Speaker 4: my soul to the audience. I feel so much more
[40:54] Speaker 4: connected in that way than I ever did before I
[40:56] Speaker 4: did it. It's pretty crazy, you get it.
[40:58] Speaker 2: Do you think you were able to appreciate that experience
[41:03] Speaker 2: and the ability to be present and notice all those things,
[41:08] Speaker 2: like was because of your age and experience beforehand, Like
[41:12] Speaker 2: if you call me old because you're elderly.
[41:15] Speaker 4: Because I'm ancient. And Siri jumped in just now she
[41:18] Speaker 4: was like, I'm sorry, did you just call her old?
[41:20] Speaker 2: Did you need me? Because you know it's I think
[41:23] Speaker 2: it's when you especially if you're doing something for the
[41:25] Speaker 2: first time. It's sort of like like fight or fight,
[41:28] Speaker 2: and I need to figure out how to do this.
[41:30] Speaker 2: I'm gonna be in front of a live audience eight
[41:32] Speaker 2: times a week. But it sounds like you were really
[41:35] Speaker 2: like grounded and able to pay attention to the whole
[41:39] Speaker 2: experience as a whole.
[41:40] Speaker 4: I think that that is definitely from experience, just because
[41:44] Speaker 4: I remember listening, Man, you guys must have like so
[41:47] Speaker 4: much to say about this, and I'd love to hear
[41:49] Speaker 4: what your thoughts are on this. Like I remember listening
[41:52] Speaker 4: to a podcast about it was BJ from the Office
[41:58] Speaker 4: talking about being on the office and being so overwhelmed
[42:02] Speaker 4: by the experience and the success of the show that
[42:04] Speaker 4: actually he didn't really enjoy it that much. And he
[42:07] Speaker 4: looks back and he's like, man, I really I actually
[42:09] Speaker 4: missed it. I like this is what they talk about
[42:12] Speaker 4: when they talk about missing it. Yes, And I feel
[42:17] Speaker 4: like there's been so many moments in my music career
[42:20] Speaker 4: where I haven't enjoyed the whole point. That's the whole point.
[42:24] Speaker 4: You know. It's like, I'm not rich, so if I'm
[42:28] Speaker 4: miserable as well, then I'm doing something wrong, you know what.
[42:30] Speaker 4: I mean, it's like I'm not doing this for my health.
[42:33] Speaker 4: I'm like trying to find joy and vibrate at passion.
[42:38] Speaker 4: And you know, music is like the thing that brings
[42:42] Speaker 4: me the most emotional satisfaction, whether it's making me cry
[42:45] Speaker 4: or making me laugh or making me dance. It's like
[42:48] Speaker 4: it is so the lifeblood of the joy in my experience,
[42:51] Speaker 4: and so to then spend ten years working in it
[42:54] Speaker 4: will really make you hate it. And I am active
[43:00] Speaker 4: trying to work on you know, reapproaching music from this
[43:04] Speaker 4: place now of sort of taking a little bit of
[43:05] Speaker 4: time off and going I really want to be happy. Yeah,
[43:10] Speaker 4: that seems like.
[43:10] Speaker 1: A requirement now, yes, yes.
[43:12] Speaker 4: But I do think that going into Hadestown because of
[43:15] Speaker 4: the experience that I'd had in music where I did
[43:17] Speaker 4: feel a little bit like OHM as my life so hard,
[43:20] Speaker 4: I'm getting flown around the world to go play shows,
[43:23] Speaker 4: and I'm miserable. It's like I hated being that person.
[43:26] Speaker 4: Even as as I was that person, I knew I
[43:28] Speaker 4: was doing it wrong. That when Hadestown came and I
[43:31] Speaker 4: felt so lucky because I felt like I do feel
[43:34] Speaker 4: like I've worked really hard for so long and having
[43:37] Speaker 4: a lot of ways actually not reached the benefits of
[43:40] Speaker 4: so much of that time and effort that I've put in,
[43:42] Speaker 4: which is like an investment. It's all an investment to
[43:46] Speaker 4: get an opportunity like that that actually felt like it
[43:48] Speaker 4: had been dropped out of heaven. Like for me, I
[43:52] Speaker 4: was like, I'm not. The one thing I'm not going
[43:54] Speaker 4: to do is miss this. And I will say out
[43:57] Speaker 4: of the hundred and I want to, I think it's
[43:58] Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty seven shows.
[44:01] Speaker 2: Wow.
[44:01] Speaker 4: Personally, I think I can count to one two shows
[44:06] Speaker 4: where I was like, I don't want to be here.
[44:08] Speaker 4: I hate this. I am full autopilot getting through the
[44:10] Speaker 4: show because I am I'm dead. I'm done. Nobody look
[44:13] Speaker 4: at me. Don't perceive me. This is not my day. Please.
[44:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that's ratio, ratio.
[44:22] Speaker 1: That's inevitable.
[44:23] Speaker 4: I expected it to be higher, but I was. I
[44:26] Speaker 4: really made an effort to when I walked into the
[44:28] Speaker 4: building to be like I'm going to go say high
[44:30] Speaker 4: to stage management and I'm going to knock on the
[44:32] Speaker 4: doors and be like hey, everybody, it's me many who
[44:35] Speaker 4: and I'm so happy to be here and like I
[44:38] Speaker 4: know that it's funny, Like there are some people who
[44:40] Speaker 4: were like, uh, like with all your joy, like are
[44:44] Speaker 4: you so happy to be here? And I'm like I
[44:46] Speaker 4: get that. And if that's not your time, I understand,
[44:49] Speaker 4: and I don't have to bring this to your front
[44:51] Speaker 4: door either. But that's for me the way that it
[44:54] Speaker 4: felt accessible and kind of kept me present in the
[44:58] Speaker 4: fact that I was literally living a childhood dream, because
[45:02] Speaker 4: it's like when you work your whole life to live
[45:04] Speaker 4: your childhood dream, then all of a sudden, it's hard
[45:06] Speaker 4: to drop in and be like, oh my god, I'm
[45:08] Speaker 4: a pop star playing show for fans, Like yeah, there's
[45:10] Speaker 4: so much work that went into it. It's hard for
[45:12] Speaker 4: me to then like oh my gosh. And then you
[45:14] Speaker 4: like get to be on Broadway and you're like no, no, no,
[45:16] Speaker 4: this is like I have not spent the last ten
[45:18] Speaker 4: years auditioning for Broadway shows.
[45:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, Like yeah, that did.
[45:21] Speaker 4: That makes that a little bit either more or harder,
[45:25] Speaker 4: you know, to like be like I've worked so hard
[45:27] Speaker 4: for this, like of course I deserve this. It's like
[45:29] Speaker 4: a different energy to approach it like me, yeah, you
[45:33] Speaker 4: want me, which is a different vibe.
[45:37] Speaker 1: But that's the fun Broadway vibe. That's the fun vibe
[45:40] Speaker 1: to have.
[45:48] Speaker 2: When Somebody Loves You ended up on Glee. It was
[45:51] Speaker 2: also one of those moments of obviously the show was
[45:54] Speaker 2: not necessarily at its peak at that point, no, I'll
[45:57] Speaker 2: take it, yeah, but it was also like, yeah, this
[45:59] Speaker 2: is my friend and like we were all number one, you.
[46:02] Speaker 4: Know, introduce me to all of you guys. That's like
[46:04] Speaker 4: how the video first Friends Yeah in La was because
[46:10] Speaker 4: Kenny found my EP online and shared it with all
[46:14] Speaker 4: of his friends, being.
[46:15] Speaker 2: Like, this is sick. Basically happened.
[46:17] Speaker 4: Yes, Kenny found the EP that's from from I Recall
[46:20] Speaker 4: to My Best Recollection. Kenny was a little SoundCloud kid. Yeah,
[46:24] Speaker 4: my first EP was free online and he said, somebody
[46:27] Speaker 4: loves You hits. I think it's even before the viral video,
[46:30] Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? He was like it
[46:31] Speaker 4: was really a treadsetter. So it felt very serendipitous, and
[46:34] Speaker 4: it was such a like I'm so grateful for like
[46:40] Speaker 4: the moments that do happen like that, whether it's Haiti
[46:42] Speaker 4: Town or like me getting the you texting me being
[46:44] Speaker 4: like I think we're going to do Somebody Loves You
[46:46] Speaker 4: on Glee. I remember being like, oh my, Like that's
[46:49] Speaker 4: a moment where I get to go, Like I can
[46:52] Speaker 4: directly shoot back to being in my body when I'm
[46:55] Speaker 4: sixteen watching on my like weird little laptop in high school,
[47:00] Speaker 4: like the newest download I bought those seasons on Apple,
[47:03] Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? Like before I was
[47:06] Speaker 4: like I was a fan and I was also downloading
[47:09] Speaker 4: the albums like my entire iTunes. I remember I did
[47:12] Speaker 4: like a six hour road trip to go make some
[47:14] Speaker 4: music when I was nineteen. In the entire drive, I
[47:16] Speaker 4: was listening to the Glee soundtracks, do you know what
[47:17] Speaker 4: I mean? Like it was such a huge part of
[47:20] Speaker 4: my young life that then I got to the fact
[47:24] Speaker 4: that I got to be a part of it in
[47:25] Speaker 4: any kind of small way felt so unreal and like
[47:31] Speaker 4: such a satisfying moment for me.
[47:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm so.
[47:35] Speaker 4: I'm so curious about you guys, like that feeling of
[47:37] Speaker 4: sort of you were in this huge moment and when
[47:41] Speaker 4: you were in it, where you like, I'm having trouble
[47:43] Speaker 4: being in it, or like, how can you even possibly
[47:45] Speaker 4: be in it when you don't even know how big
[47:47] Speaker 4: it's going to be? Like I do want to know
[47:49] Speaker 4: how you felt about that at the time. It's probably
[47:51] Speaker 4: a huge question.
[47:52] Speaker 3: I think towards the end in retrospect, like I wish
[47:56] Speaker 3: I had I resonated with, like BJ, like I wish
[48:01] Speaker 3: I had enjoyed and appreciated that time of being so
[48:06] Speaker 3: young and so on top of the world and just
[48:09] Speaker 3: being able to really basking it. I don't think I
[48:14] Speaker 3: hated it, but I also didn't love it as.
[48:16] Speaker 1: Much as I could have.
[48:18] Speaker 3: So there's definitely like a vibe that I, if I
[48:21] Speaker 3: could go back, I would be I would be smiling
[48:24] Speaker 3: every day, you know, like there would I would be
[48:26] Speaker 3: knocking on people's doors and saying hello.
[48:28] Speaker 4: And you must also be like it's never going to end.
[48:31] Speaker 4: That's the other part of it. It's like it went
[48:33] Speaker 4: for so many seasons that there also must have been
[48:35] Speaker 4: a part of you that.
[48:36] Speaker 3: Was like around season four, we kind of new classes
[48:40] Speaker 3: came in, things started to people started wanting to do
[48:43] Speaker 3: other projects. We were so hot at that time that
[48:46] Speaker 3: like you think you're never gonna stop working after that,
[48:48] Speaker 3: so you're like, get me off this thing that made
[48:49] Speaker 3: me and let me go do the new thing. And
[48:53] Speaker 3: that's when we kind of lost that connection. And obviously
[48:57] Speaker 3: we came back at times and found each other again
[48:59] Speaker 3: and came you know, left, but a lot of people
[49:02] Speaker 3: left at the end, and for me in particular, like
[49:04] Speaker 3: I left through halfway through season six, and then I
[49:07] Speaker 3: didn't come back until really like this the finale, to
[49:09] Speaker 3: like really appreciate it. So I definitely wish that I
[49:13] Speaker 3: had had a different outlook towards the end. But I
[49:18] Speaker 3: think in the beginning we all felt I felt very
[49:22] Speaker 3: attached to the show and very emotional towards it because
[49:27] Speaker 3: it was my dream coming true.
[49:29] Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, fighting in a bottle, and you were a
[49:32] Speaker 4: part of it, especially at a time when like we
[49:35] Speaker 4: didn't have seventeen different shows that were about like kids
[49:38] Speaker 4: who dance. Now, I was just like now a huge
[49:41] Speaker 4: part of culture because Glee made it that, like you
[49:43] Speaker 4: were on the forefront of that.
[49:45] Speaker 3: It took longer for Kevin to like lose that luster,
[49:48] Speaker 3: like he made it really really far, I really really
[49:52] Speaker 3: really far. Like I give him way farther than all
[49:55] Speaker 3: of us, Like he was the last one standing, probably smiling,
[49:58] Speaker 3: so like I take you longer.
[50:01] Speaker 2: But I think that comes from my experience of not
[50:05] Speaker 2: having success, like being in the boy band for so
[50:09] Speaker 2: long and working so is so hard at it, and
[50:13] Speaker 2: we didn't really get there at all, And.
[50:18] Speaker 4: That's so crazy because like when you're in like a
[50:23] Speaker 4: industry plant situation like that where they pick boys and
[50:27] Speaker 4: they put you together and then they give you the song,
[50:31] Speaker 4: it's like that also must have felt like all my
[50:34] Speaker 4: dreams are coming true, but and it is so much
[50:36] Speaker 4: hard work. And then you're like shooting the music videos
[50:39] Speaker 4: and you're like, I'm shooting the music video and I'm
[50:42] Speaker 4: like signed to a record label, and like all of
[50:44] Speaker 4: these crazy producers and like execs are like having these
[50:47] Speaker 4: conversations with me that the like putting that in front
[50:51] Speaker 4: of you and then sort of being like, oh, but
[50:53] Speaker 4: this isn't It does give you a different perspective.
[50:57] Speaker 2: Totally, because when I had also been trying to act
[51:00] Speaker 2: for forever and I would do little guest spots here,
[51:02] Speaker 2: So it was like the best combination of all the
[51:05] Speaker 2: things I was interested in and trying to pursue professionally,
[51:10] Speaker 2: and then the magical accident of it working. And as
[51:15] Speaker 2: someone who had, you know, come from not a successful
[51:18] Speaker 2: music career, like seeing the charts every week and being
[51:22] Speaker 2: able to talk to the chairman of Columbia Records about
[51:26] Speaker 2: Beyonce's leaked singles or talk to the President of Columbia
[51:30] Speaker 2: about how like stories about Adele recording someone like you
[51:33] Speaker 2: were like I.
[51:34] Speaker 4: Subscribing to Hits magazine.
[51:36] Speaker 2: Like yes, like that's what I like, I understood from
[51:41] Speaker 2: Jump what it meant to have that level of success, Yes,
[51:46] Speaker 2: and how rare and special it was. And like I
[51:49] Speaker 2: was the one to send the rest of the group
[51:51] Speaker 2: of like, don't stop believing our version is number four
[51:53] Speaker 2: on Billboard Hot one hundred. Yeah, I responded and said
[51:58] Speaker 2: is that good? And I was like you guys, yeah,
[52:02] Speaker 2: And I wasn't even like mad at them or anything.
[52:04] Speaker 2: I was like, no, of course, now like no, no,
[52:08] Speaker 2: it is the fourth biggest song.
[52:09] Speaker 4: Maybe the biggest thing that we could possibly do.
[52:12] Speaker 2: I because like I would check the Billboard charts every
[52:16] Speaker 2: single week as a kids.
[52:17] Speaker 4: Literally knew what it meant in a different way.
[52:19] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And so I was just like being able
[52:23] Speaker 2: to shoot at Paramount and drive through those gates, and.
[52:26] Speaker 4: I when I when I get a lot pass, when
[52:31] Speaker 4: I get it, when I get a parking pass for
[52:32] Speaker 4: the lot because I got a meeting, I'm driving on
[52:35] Speaker 4: to the lot and I'm like this this, I don't
[52:37] Speaker 4: have to.
[52:37] Speaker 1: Park at the lot down the block ticket and validate.
[52:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, that is your life. That was our life for
[52:42] Speaker 2: seven years. And so then when it spits you out
[52:45] Speaker 2: and you go.
[52:46] Speaker 1: Back, welcome to the real life.
[52:49] Speaker 2: And like, you can't have a normal experience because like
[52:52] Speaker 2: all of my things sound obnoxious, all my experiences sound crazy.
[52:56] Speaker 4: They were. They also were.
[52:58] Speaker 2: They were, and like you met me in the middle
[52:59] Speaker 2: of that, and like that's why it was. Really, I
[53:03] Speaker 2: will say, and I'm not just saying this. I'm not
[53:06] Speaker 2: just saying this because you're here. Really I tell people this.
[53:09] Speaker 2: I was very surprised.
[53:12] Speaker 4: Meeting so many of the costs from Glee at because
[53:15] Speaker 4: I remember, like we had I went to a couple
[53:17] Speaker 4: of parties and there was just like a group of
[53:18] Speaker 4: you guys, a lot of socially spie.
[53:23] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
[53:25] Speaker 4: So I remember meeting this particular group of you, and
[53:29] Speaker 4: having been such a fan of the show, I remember
[53:31] Speaker 4: being really surprised at how normal adjacent you all were, Like, yes,
[53:36] Speaker 4: you were on a massive TV show and we were
[53:38] Speaker 4: in the middle of this thing happening, but you weren't
[53:40] Speaker 4: Like I wasn't like, oh my god, I'm just trying
[53:43] Speaker 4: to menalty, and you were like, please stay tened beat
[53:45] Speaker 4: away from me, Like I knew that I freaked you out,
[53:47] Speaker 4: but I also knew that you got it, you know
[53:48] Speaker 4: what I mean. And I remember being like that kind
[53:51] Speaker 4: of surprised me, but what you were saying, Kevin, it
[53:53] Speaker 4: kind of made me think. So I was having a
[53:55] Speaker 4: conversation with a friend because like all we all all
[53:57] Speaker 4: were all doing in this business, like trying to get
[54:00] Speaker 4: a little bit closer, you know, that investment. You're like
[54:03] Speaker 4: putting your time in and hustling and working and hopefully
[54:06] Speaker 4: something is going to come of it, and you don't
[54:07] Speaker 4: know what it's going to be. And I think your
[54:09] Speaker 4: guys's experienced. I had a friend say to me, if
[54:12] Speaker 4: you just assume that ninety nine point nine percent of
[54:16] Speaker 4: things will be failures, because that is actually the race,
[54:19] Speaker 4: that is like the real ratio of what success looks like,
[54:24] Speaker 4: particularly in this business. Yeah, ninety nine point nine percent
[54:27] Speaker 4: of stuff is going to fail. So then you're like, oh,
[54:30] Speaker 4: I can just dare to fail and do whatever I
[54:33] Speaker 4: want and assume that it's going to fail. And if
[54:35] Speaker 4: it happens to be that point one percent of a
[54:37] Speaker 4: show like Glee, how lucky are you to be a
[54:41] Speaker 4: part of that thing?
[54:42] Speaker 2: I mean the luckiest and then your gods from the
[54:46] Speaker 2: get go, you know.
[54:48] Speaker 4: But I think it's so it was such lightning in
[54:51] Speaker 4: a bottle for you guys to be a part of
[54:53] Speaker 4: this thing, and I when I met you, I felt
[54:57] Speaker 4: like you were handling it with such grace and with
[54:59] Speaker 4: like your head screwed on straight, which I probably wouldn't have,
[55:03] Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Sometimes I think about if
[55:04] Speaker 4: somebody loves you had been like because it was like
[55:07] Speaker 4: a hit adjacent song, it like had a really viral moment,
[55:11] Speaker 4: but it was never like I went to like number
[55:13] Speaker 4: one on the dance chart, but it never went to
[55:15] Speaker 4: like radio radio because Arsay didn't service it because they
[55:17] Speaker 4: didn't want me to be the girl from the viral
[55:19] Speaker 4: video because they thought that was bad. Viral was bad when.
[55:22] Speaker 2: I say yeah, it was at the same time hilarious.
[55:25] Speaker 4: It was Rebecca back Friday and Chet Smoke or selfie
[55:28] Speaker 4: and they were like, you're viral. This is bad and
[55:31] Speaker 4: I was like, uh oh. And then they didn't send
[55:34] Speaker 4: my song to radio when everybody was already playing it.
[55:36] Speaker 4: And then on my next record when they picked up
[55:38] Speaker 4: my option, they were like, so we need you to
[55:39] Speaker 4: have a viral hit, and I was like totally, But
[55:44] Speaker 4: I think that I think I think sometimes like if
[55:48] Speaker 4: somebody loves you had been the biggest hit in the
[55:49] Speaker 4: world and I was, I was twenty one, like I
[55:51] Speaker 4: might be dead, you know what I mean?
[55:53] Speaker 1: Like wow, I really wow.
[55:57] Speaker 4: I didn't have my head screwed ons right, I was
[55:58] Speaker 4: a bab I mean just a little bet.
[56:01] Speaker 3: We're just so like on a like ill equipped, Like
[56:04] Speaker 3: nobody equips you for that, you know that part of
[56:07] Speaker 3: the industry.
[56:08] Speaker 1: So it's it's tis what.
[56:09] Speaker 4: Babies too, you know. That's why I was so surprised
[56:13] Speaker 4: that you were.
[56:13] Speaker 2: So impressive though, because you've built your stuff on your own.
[56:16] Speaker 2: Do you know what, like you had a hit on
[56:19] Speaker 2: your own or hit adjacent viral moment at twenty one.
[56:23] Speaker 4: Yeah, that is accident.
[56:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.
[56:26] Speaker 3: Thank you so much for like just being so open
[56:28] Speaker 3: and sharing and we love you so much and we
[56:30] Speaker 3: really appreciate you, and and I thank you.
[56:33] Speaker 4: Thank you.
[56:34] Speaker 2: On tour, my.
[56:36] Speaker 4: New song Sweat just came out. Make sure you stream it.
[56:39] Speaker 4: Ye Run was the first single runs Pretty Fun.
[56:41] Speaker 2: Too Wednesday album'y Pride.
[56:44] Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna do an EP. I don't think I'm
[56:46] Speaker 4: going to do. I'm going to build up to an
[56:48] Speaker 4: album right, No, no album announce yet.
[56:50] Speaker 2: Just thank you for delivering your studio today to be
[56:53] Speaker 2: here with us. We love it.
[56:54] Speaker 4: I know I'm going to make more listen to some.
[56:57] Speaker 2: More Beyonce dance classes when I'm back, say us Okay,
[57:02] Speaker 2: I love you, I love you, Thank you, miss you already.
[57:07] Speaker 1: Well that was fun.
[57:10] Speaker 2: I told you we could gab well. Thank you Betty
[57:13] Speaker 2: so much for joining us, Thank you for listening. I
[57:16] Speaker 2: just love when these things happen. I know, like I
[57:18] Speaker 2: love when it lined up that one of her songs
[57:20] Speaker 2: was in the show Energist. Yes, it was like when
[57:22] Speaker 2: Demi ended up on the show. It was like, how
[57:23] Speaker 2: is this happening? I know, I love it. Thanks Betty,
[57:26] Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. And that's what you really missed.
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