# Gary Sinise: ‘The Hole In The Heart Is Always There’

An episode of [All There Is with Anderson Cooper](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1643163707), 17 Sep 2026, 26 min.

Audio: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/swap.fm/track/2nzGkisFXQswLYT5s325/traffic.megaphone.fm/WMHY3848834379.mp3

Gary Sinise’s son Mac died in 2024 at 33 after a yearslong battle with a rare cancer called chordoma. He shares with Anderson the music his son created in his final year and how Mac still feels “very present” in his life. For more of “All There Is with Anderson Cooper” visit cnn.com/allthereis. Host: Anderson Cooper Showrunner: Haley Thomas Producers: Emily Williams and Kyra Dahring Video Editor: Eric Zembrzuski Technical Director: Dan Dzula Bookers: Kerry Rubin and Kari Pricher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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