# Ep.031 - Kindness Comes First with Dr. Jake Kleinmahon and Thomas Kleinmahon

An episode of [The Unaparent](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1641577334), 2 May 2024, 45 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/ab3cb670/podcast/play/86226508/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2024-4-2%2F376331368-44100-2-d2f2f55459871.m4a

In the midst of the digital sea, our host stumbled upon a powerful post that resonated deeply. Imagine living in a state torn apart by anti-LGBTQ+ laws, where two fathers faced an unimaginable choice: to uproot their family for the sake of their loved ones. Join us in a compelling new episode as we welcome Dr. Jake Kleinmahon and Thomas Kleinmahon, two extraordinary men who have experienced firsthand the weight of some of our country’s political injustices. As professionals in medicine and engineering, their dedication goes beyond their respective fields. They embody kindness and compassion while imparting these values to their children. Prepare for an eye-opening discussion that delves into their inspiring journey of resilience and unwavering love. Don't miss out on this captivating conversation that will leave you both moved and enlightened. Don't forget to FOLLOW the podcast and SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel for all the unapparent content you never knew you needed. 📺 The Un-a-Parent Podcast is produced by Studio Dama, LLC (website live in 2024.) For production inquiries, contact marina@studiodamadesign.com. SHOW NOTES: 00:00 - Intro: Meet Dr. Jake and Thomas Kleinmahon 04:20 - The Decision to Move 09:04 - The importance of being in a State that supports your family and respects your rights 14:02 - Same-Sex Parental Leave Challenges 16:39 - Gender Assumptions in Parenting 22:56 - Childcare & Working Parents 27:00 - Pediatric Cardiology & Fatherhood 29:46 - Impact of Parenthood on Medical Practice 33:09 - Surrogacy Journey & Challenges 35:55 - Core Values: Kindness & Compassion 40:04 - Closing Remarks

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