# Ep. 4: Tumbleton (with Phoebe Campbell and Writer/Executive Producer David Hancock)

An episode of [The Official Game of Thrones Podcast: House of the Dragon](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1635830141), 13 Jul 2026, 56 min.

Audio: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/mgln.ai/e/154/tracking.swap.fm/track/riZUyyw5grsvogjaGa5Z/traffic.megaphone.fm/WMHY4731179429.mp3

Hosts Jason Concepcion and Greta Johnsen break down season 3 episode 4, where war has come to Tumbleton. They then talk with Phoebe Campbell (Lady Rhaena Targaryen) about Rhaena’s dreams for the future, the selfless decision from Daemon in this episode, and the surprisingly similarities between Sheepstealer and their dog Tina. Finally, they sit down with the writer of this episode, Executive Producer David Hancock, to discuss writing this showcase episode for Lord Ormund Hightower and why Rhaenyra should stop reading the comments in King’s Landing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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