# 05 Expanse: The Nannup Four | Simon says

An episode of [Expanse](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1635088231), 30 Mar 2026, 36 min.

Audio: https://mediacore-live-production.akamaized.net/audio/02/j3/Z/gh.mp3

Jim and Cath McDougall are left reeling as the true depth of Simon Kadwill’s deception is revealed. Dominique tracks down people from his past, and hears from someone who has never spoken before who provides a startling insight into how Simon might have ended up on the path he did.

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