# A pay app for the NHS | Cameron and the Toxic Banker Ep. 3

An episode of [The Trial of Russell Brand](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1630722986), 26 Aug 2025, 32 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/62a879162610040012f1c7a3/e/6878d0fd0d2a218993bd3b0c/media.mp3

Greensill Capital is on the brink - until it lands a lifeline helping to run a vital payroll app for NHS staff. David Aaronovitch uncovers how the company secured taxpayer-backed schemes even as its risky finance model raised eyebrows in the corridors of power. Guest: Gabriel Pogrund, Whitehall correspondent for The Sunday Times. Host: David Aaronovitch, former columnist for The Times. Clips used: Sky News, Channel 4 News. This podcast was brought to you thanks to subscribers of The Times and The Sunday Times. To enjoy unlimited digital access to all our journalism subscribe here: https://www.thetimes.com/subscribe/timesinvestigates/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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