# This Week in Skating / Interview with Nicole Bobek

An episode of [This Week in Skating Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1621874792), 20 Jul 2025, 1 h 05 min.

Audio: https://audio2.redcircle.com/episodes/166e49c8-2d32-4c24-91b5-8a814606a28e/stream.mp3

In this episode, Daphne and Gina talk with Nicole Bobek, the 1995 U.S. Champion and 1995 World bronze medalist. Nicole is telling her story in the book "Bobek: The Wild One: The Untold Story of Figure Skating's Most Defiant Star," set to be released in October. To learn more about Nicole's book: https://nicole-bobek.square.site/ ---------------------------------------------------------- This Week in Skating is hosted by Gina Capellazzi, Daphne Backman and Matteo Morelli is a cooperative project between Figure Skaters Online and Ice-dance.com. New episodes are available every Tuesday. Website: https://www.thisweekinskating.com Email: thisweekinskating@gmail.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thisweekinskating Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/thiswkinskating Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinskating Thread: https://www.threads.net/@thisweekinskating Patreon: patreon.com/ThisWeekinSkating Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/this-week-in-skating-podcast/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

## Transcript

[0:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hi everyone, I'm Vincent Jo.
[0:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hi, I'm Kathy Reed.
[0:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I'm Allison Reed.
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[0:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hi, I'm Grace.
[0:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We're from the hidden apps.
[0:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Hi, I'm Martin Rezzi.
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[0:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hi, I'm Linda Nuto.
[0:15] \[SPEAKER_07\]: This week in Skatey.
[0:25] \[SPEAKER_07\]: Welcome to this week in Skating, the weekly podcast bringing you the latest news from the world of figure skating.
[0:31] \[SPEAKER_07\]: Here are your hosts, Daphne, Gina, and Matteo.
[0:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If you were a fan of skating in the nineties, you'll remember our guests today.
[0:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Nicole Balback was the nineteen ninety-five US national champion, nineteen ninety-five world bronze medalist, and she also competed at the nineteen ninety-eight winter Olympics.
[0:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Now she's back telling her story in a new book called Bowback, The Wild One, the untold story of figure skating's most defiant star.
[1:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So we're excited to welcome Nicole to this week in Skate Egg.
[1:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Welcome.
[1:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm Nicole.
[1:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm always saying so much for having me.
[1:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Before we get into our questions, I want to show you what I have.
[1:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Can you see it?
[1:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It is the Campbell's soup mug with your signature on it.
[1:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I still use it.
[1:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: for my suit.
[1:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know how much soup I had to like eat by to get this mug, but that was the thing in the nineties, and so I still have that I wanted to show you.
[1:34] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That is amazing.
[1:35] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I feel like such a relic.
[1:37] \[SPEAKER_04\]: No, no, no.
[1:39] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Campbell's soup was a really big thing.
[1:41] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It was the huge thing.
[1:43] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, it was an amazing company to be a part of.
[1:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: They were also at that time.
[1:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There was a period where they were the head founders, not head founders, but the sponsors of Champions on Ice with Tom Collins.
[1:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So we had all of these like Campbell Soup jackets and t-shirts and, you know, I still have stuff at my mom's house.
[2:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's like a museum.
[2:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We did with that stuff.
[2:07] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, literally.
[2:08] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, you know, we did lots of events and then the commercial for the Campbell Soup was a big thing.
[2:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And um, it was so great to be a part of that.
[2:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Awesome.
[2:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Really.
[2:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[2:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I remember they were a big sponsor for a while.
[2:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I remember the champions on Ice Tour.
[2:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I miss it because I feel like Tom Tom really brought together all these international stars as well as US stars.
[2:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So you got like an experience of people who were
[2:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: in the U.S.
[2:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: plus abroad and just it was a broad spectrum of figure skating and I loved that so much.
[2:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: My first tour I ever went to was champions and was nineteen ninety eight and it was just so fun watching live skating for the first time was just it was an incredible thing definitely with any sport though you watch when you know you're big fan but when you see it live it's like whoa
[3:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Oh my gosh, and then also put on a show stage with lights and costumes and fun music.
[3:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, that was our real fun time to go out there and just do whatever.
[3:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And we had the power like we wanted to do a lot of jobs.
[3:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So we're going to do a little jobs or whatever.
[3:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It was so much fun.
[3:23] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, we were like touring rock stars.
[3:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Absolutely.
[3:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It really seemed like it at the time.
[3:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It was just so
[3:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: amazing and the atmosphere just being in the arena and you know with other fans
[3:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: watching this and experiencing this with people who love it too was just something to be.
[3:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It was just something that I loved.
[3:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I enjoyed it so much.
[3:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So from both sides of it, you know, you as a performer and then me as a fan just it there was just something really special about it.
[4:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I still miss it.
[4:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, you have to just like our fans are what make us too.
[4:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, of course, we're competitors and all this kind of stuff, but without you guys, you know, what do we have like to get back to people that excitement or that show quality?
[4:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, our fans are so important.
[4:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Even till today, my few friends, fans that I have that Instagram, I started, you know, Instagram and I started like, I remember I was so excited when I had like, two hundred followers.
[4:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I was like, oh my God, you know, like, remember me and it didn't matter if they were, you know,
[4:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: nineties people or they were, you know, adult skaters or these things.
[4:43] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I was like, oh, wow.
[4:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I just gradually were like, well, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.
[4:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I love people in my life where I'm at now.
[4:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think I hit the five thousand mark last week.
[4:54] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I was like, I know it's not huge, but for me, I've done it organically and really fun.
[5:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And nothing crazy.
[5:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That's going to be like, oh, we're going to fall in her.
[5:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: you know, because she's off the rocker.
[5:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But just authentically myself out there and letting people apart in my life, watching me dance in the kitchen, me with my son, you know, me attempting to skate again, skating to whatever I want to skate to music wise and just having a great time.
[5:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think people appreciate the authenticity.
[5:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think they appreciate being able to see the real you versus
[5:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Sometimes you see some of the influencers on Instagram and you're just kind of like, it looks like they have a cool life, but then you find out there are things going on.
[5:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I think people appreciate the rawness and the realism more than a facade.
[5:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Right.
[5:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Right.
[5:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: No, I mean, I try to, you know, I don't, of course we all struggle.
[5:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We go through things.
[5:54] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I really always, on a big fan of
[5:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: really inspirational quotes.
[5:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like I find sometimes when I get stuck in a rut with something, I'll get on an activism of really good quotes or somebody talking about a situation they were in that I find like, oh my God, I'm going through that.
[6:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm not the only one and that helps me actually.
[6:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That really really helps me.
[6:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And so it's good stuff.
[6:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It can be promoted the right way.
[6:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I try not to, you know, I don't want to bring people down or like I'm
[6:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't post anything for three days and I get like, are you okay?
[6:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm like, dude.
[6:30] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm good.
[6:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I have a five-year-old Barry.
[6:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[6:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: How are you?
[6:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Kids will keep you busy.
[6:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They definitely do.
[6:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Absolutely.
[6:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So let's get started talking about your book here.
[6:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Why did you decide it?
[6:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This was the right time to write a book.
[6:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think I really came to the decision because I was old enough and also becoming a mom.
[7:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I everything changed for me that I saw things completely different than what I didn't have a child.
[7:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And it's really interesting because you're just your eyes, you see things different.
[7:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: As much as you're like, no, no, no, this was like this.
[7:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And this is all I feel about.
[7:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And then you have a child and you're like, oh, I got it now.
[7:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, you guys sit back and go,
[7:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Now I get it.
[7:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And for me, I've always said that I feel that that's my superpower with writing this book.
[7:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Is that now I see it through such different eyes, opposed to whenever I was going through something or my life was it unsettled or I didn't feel an alignment with what was going on in my life, that this was a good time that I've lived so many lives already.
[7:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And when you read the book, you'll see that there's it's not just fundamental skating stories.
[7:55] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's so much more life into it as well.
[7:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's IVF.
[7:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's divorce.
[8:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's a child.
[8:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's breakups.
[8:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's so much
[8:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: There's so many flavors in this book, that it's like when I read it, I'm like, I'm like a winemit, but I lived that.
[8:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know what I mean?
[8:13] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's so amazing that it's not just only a skating book.
[8:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I really hope it reaches all different kinds of people going through situations or just regular and read a stuff that you don't think superstars go through.
[8:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We do, big time.
[8:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, you know, I want to reach a lot of people with a lot of things and also
[8:36] \[SPEAKER_04\]: not to give up on stuff.
[8:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, sometimes I read it and I'm just like, oh my gosh, you know, and I'm like, but wait a minute, I'm still here.
[8:45] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm still standing.
[8:46] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm still getting up every morning.
[8:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm still fighting gravity with my body.
[8:52] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, I've gone, you know, going through everything right now and it's like, but I'm still showing up.
[8:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm still there.
[8:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm not giving up.
[9:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And for people, when they go through something really hard, not to give up,
[9:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: that they got to, you can have all the friends help or whatever and all that's kind of, but unless you make that conscious decision that you want to better yourself is not going to happen.
[9:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So you can manifest absolutely, but manifestation doesn't work unless you put the work in.
[9:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know what I mean?
[9:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[9:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think too.
[9:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You never know who you can inspire, not to give up.
[9:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that can be a very powerful thing.
[9:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because as you said, we all go through things, no matter what it is.
[9:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's a struggle.
[9:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I always see these things online.
[9:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, you don't know what other people are going through or walk a mile in someone else's shoes and or ice gates.
[9:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The flip side of that is
[9:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You don't know what you say that can inspire someone else or help someone come to a decision where they want to make changes to better themselves.
[10:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And as I said, it's a powerful thing.
[10:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's inspirational.
[10:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's kind of like, it puts me in awe of how
[10:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: One person can affect so many people and not even realize that they're doing it.
[10:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's an amazing thing and it can change things.
[10:34] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Somebody's downfall can actually be someone's survival guy.
[10:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And we realize, I mean, we are all wired differently in how we respond to things and how we also recover from things, what works for one.
[10:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: may not work for you, you know, and it's called really digging deep and finding out, okay, what is my niche?
[10:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: What do I need?
[10:55] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Is it the Instagram postings of saying maybe it is for me?
[10:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Maybe it's I need to go to the beach and watch the sunrise every morning and cry for hours or, you know, these kind of things everyone has to kind of find their own niche, but you might be able to have some kind of power to spark with someone going, I know exactly what she went through, but wait, hey, she's
[11:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: She's still alive.
[11:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And she, you know, I kind of, we're sometime we dig our own graves sometimes.
[11:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And it's about us getting out of those graves and reaching for the hands that are there to help us.
[11:26] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And if there are no hands, then girl, you got to climb.
[11:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Get out of there.
[11:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So yeah, you know, we'll really get to a lot of people.
[11:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You have to create your own escape strategy is what you have to do.
[11:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And
[11:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If you're lucky, you have people that support you.
[11:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And if not, you have to start it on your own.
[11:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But what I found is often you find people along the way that will support you if you let them.
[11:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that's another big part of it is being willing to open yourself up to letting someone else be the hand that you need to grab.
[12:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Right.
[12:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that can be very difficult for some people, either out of stubbornness or even just basic, I have trust issues.
[12:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like saying, you're gonna help me, but can I really trust that you're gonna help me if I open that door and let you completely end?
[12:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Are you just gonna disappear at some point?
[12:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So it is difficult also to get to that point of, can I trust this process?
[12:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And seeing yourself like, I need to trust the process even when it goes south.
[12:35] \[SPEAKER_04\]: These are things happening.
[12:37] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We don't know the reasons, always we don't have the answers.
[12:40] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We don't come with manuals, especially children.
[12:43] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So maybe mine can be kind of a mini manual for some people, hopefully.
[12:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And the fact that I have the power to do something like this is overwhelming.
[12:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's been six months of non-stop work.
[13:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean twice a week, an hour and a half to almost two hours and door breakdowns that was breakthroughs.
[13:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Um, some things I thought I would cry about.
[13:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I actually didn't.
[13:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And then other things I thought I would be stronger on.
[13:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I just lost myself.
[13:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I learned a lot also during, uh, the making of this book basically, you know, and my, uh, editor Todd and the writer, Kaden, they were always very patient, very understanding.
[13:30] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I had Kaden in tears a few times.
[13:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And, um, you know, they were always like, do you need a break?
[13:36] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Do you need a few days?
[13:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I was like, no, let me, let me have a good hard cry today.
[13:42] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Let me just be exhausted tomorrow.
[13:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I felt like if I don't keep moving, I might get stuck.
[13:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I don't want to get stuck.
[13:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I want to move forward with this.
[13:52] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I want to just let it go.
[13:55] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Time to let it go.
[13:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was going to ask you a little bit about the process of putting this book together.
[14:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So did you like sit down and just relive everything over and over again and then where there are things that you were like, look, I'm no one.
[14:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I even like talk about that or mention that in this book.
[14:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I pretty much, well, what we did.
[14:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We really just unloaded and did.
[14:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: everything and then once you know you go through the process of making a book you know there's a few that go on where the things need to be edited so we did talk about things that are not in the book because it just resolved everything also for them to understand me as well and then reading it you know then you see it you read it kind of differently like it's hard to read about your own life
[14:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: kind of.
[14:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I have to read it like with different eyes.
[14:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And, you know, I'd come back and I'd be like, we have to take that out.
[14:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: This is not good.
[14:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, I have also considerations.
[14:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I have to worry about my safety.
[15:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I have a child.
[15:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, there are a lot of different things.
[15:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I'm also, my child will read this book one day.
[15:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And maybe some of the stories are too personal to put in that book that it's something I need to talk to him about.
[15:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Not because he read it or a friend said, oh, I read your mom's book and in this in this in necus.
[15:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I have a huge responsibility just on out.
[15:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[15:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So how love.
[15:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, not easy at all.
[15:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How long have you been working on this?
[15:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So we've been working a total of
[15:35] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Now it's like seven months.
[15:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Wow.
[15:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's a lot of work.
[15:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Did you feel a lot of like catharsis going through this process too?
[15:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm sure you must have just reliving things and talking about it.
[15:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It must have been therapeutic.
[15:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It was therapeutic and really sad also.
[15:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: When it was the skating stuff, the greatest thing was is we went from basically birth
[16:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: to each year and what events in what took place where we were in stuff.
[16:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Now, I have the biggest greatest cheat sheet in the world and that is my mom.
[16:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Okay.
[16:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: She has all of those albums, like since I was born to night with pictures and days and I knew what we were going to talk about the next day.
[16:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I go to her house and we do a total cheat sheet.
[16:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, she would refresh my memory and it's incredible.
[16:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: the things that she remembers as to what I remember to.
[16:36] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And it was hard not for her as well because I was like, I'm so like, and she would tell me something.
[16:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I would be like, I don't remember that at all.
[16:46] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And she's like, well, but you were like this and then some things I do like, no, I didn't feel that way.
[16:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know what I mean?
[16:52] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So we actually
[16:55] \[SPEAKER_04\]: our relationship, which has always been very deep, not even deeper during this process, because it's incredible how it was through her eyes at that point in time, opposed to how it is now.
[17:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And so it's like almost us relearning each other all over again after, you know, years of it.
[17:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's just incredible, but this is the power of me being a parent now, it's like so many things I like question before and unlike
[17:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I see what you did then.
[17:26] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I got it.
[17:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And nothing but full respect, a hundred percent, like I got you, because I do understand, I think parents play a very important role for skaters, because they're driving them, they're doing the skates, they're doing the hair, they're doing, you know, they're networking, they're doing all this, you know, driving for right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, all this kind of a stop.
[17:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: They're kind of the root of also, yeah, we do the work out there, but we need to get to the rank.
[17:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, you know what I mean?
[17:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yep.
[17:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, yeah.
[17:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's the people behind the scene.
[17:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It'll take the village.
[18:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yep.
[18:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It really takes the village.
[18:03] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yep, there's a lot behind the wiserable bond.
[18:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, that's going on.
[18:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hey, no attention to the man behind the curtain.
[18:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The man behind the curtain's making everything work.
[18:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's right.
[18:15] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That's right.
[18:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Keeping things going.
[18:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Exactly.
[18:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Before we get much deeper, when is the book scheduled to come out?
[18:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: October.
[18:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Excellent.
[18:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Excellent.
[18:26] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And so and we're still editing and that's why you can say that we're actually still working on things, you know, deciding on pictures, how we want to do stuff and it's a long process.
[18:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, it's a hard mom.
[18:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think anyone we've talked to that is red and a book has said the same thing like there's just
[18:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So many pieces that go into it, it's so much bigger than just sitting down at writing words.
[18:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: definitely.
[18:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And especially if you want to really, you know, my life was very public.
[19:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, and this was hard also about saying what's going on and stuff that was written, you know, and also time frame.
[19:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, getting everything correct on the time frame because you're going to get skating people, they're going to go, that happened to your before.
[19:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know what I mean?
[19:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, it gets very kind of like important to cross those keys and dot those eyes
[19:26] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And Todd and Katie didn't have to do extensive research on articles, TV things, whatever, you know, just so much even more than I the new about, which is just crazy.
[19:39] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But that's what goes into making a great book.
[19:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[19:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Um, skating fans are incredibly detail oriental.
[19:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They don't forget anything.
[19:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They don't.
[19:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They do not forget.
[19:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Um, they will point out if someone makes a mistake.
[19:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We had fans point things out to us before.
[19:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Uh, yeah.
[20:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You just, um, you do the best that you can.
[20:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's a lot.
[20:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Um, to remember, I mean, you
[20:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: you had your career and beyond the time after.
[20:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I think people read things online and they think they understand a situation.
[20:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then a book comes out and they realize, oh, well, I thought it was this way because this is what was told to me, but this is really what was going on.
[20:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You can go on Google and I'm like, work late.
[20:37] \[SPEAKER_04\]: to million.
[20:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm like, really, where is it?
[20:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Where is the two billion dollars?
[20:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Is it hidden in the access code?
[20:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like, where is it?
[20:45] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, like, you know, seriously, it's sometimes information is is absolutely not correct.
[20:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And it's really hard because once it's out there, it's out there.
[20:55] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And you know, people are really quick to even destroy a comeback.
[21:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: People love to watch a train run.
[21:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: They don't have that car, that crash on the side of the road.
[21:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It backs up.
[21:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: All the because the cars on the side.
[21:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yep.
[21:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We all often look like this.
[21:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes, it's rubber necking.
[21:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's so annoying.
[21:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, you know, you plan to go somewhere and you're driving down the road and suddenly you're at a standstill because someone is changing a tire on the side of the road.
[21:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[21:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, you look at it like you've never seen somebody change.
[21:31] \[UNKNOWN\]: Yeah.
[21:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well, it was like, you really got to write a new word back.
[21:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Right.
[21:35] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Give me something better than that.
[21:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[21:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm like, now I'm twenty minutes late because some of one person started it.
[21:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[21:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then it just keeps going and it's incredibly annoying.
[21:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But you're right.
[21:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think people, they like that train wreck story or that
[21:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: complicated story that they can look at and oh, it's the bad girl of figure skating are the drama the drama the the baby mama you know like there's so much into it and it's and it's hard because I kind of have to sit back and be like look This can be a very fifty-fifty book
[22:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know what I mean?
[22:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Have the people going to love you for it?
[22:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: The other half we're going to be like really, you know what I mean?
[22:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So that all I can really give to you guys about the book is actual facts of what happened and what's happened.
[22:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's if you want to take it in and realize that, hey, she went through a lot of stuff, but she's still going.
[22:41] \[SPEAKER_04\]: She's still here.
[22:42] \[SPEAKER_04\]: She's got a major responsibility in her life and she's gotten her life back together and I can mentor for it.
[22:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Or you're going to
[22:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: get the people be like, yeah, she's still mess.
[22:52] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Whatever.
[22:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, you have to get, I think at some point, you're kind of like, well, wait a minute.
[22:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Are you here?
[22:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Are you paying my bills?
[22:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Are you taking care of me?
[23:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You're not.
[23:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I need to move forward on with my life.
[23:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I, I do believe that this book don't be a lot more people that are going to be more for the win.
[23:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Instead of not watching me, you know, still crawling the ground.
[23:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And there's a whole new generation of skating fans that may not have watched you skate, but can still learn from this story that you're telling.
[23:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Absolutely.
[23:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I know Will definitely shared on our socials as soon as it launches.
[23:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm looking forward to reading it.
[23:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Are there any plans like for an audio book?
[23:42] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I believe.
[23:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I believe there will be, um, there's gonna be soft cover, hard cover.
[23:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think there's gonna be three different additions and possibly like a limited series one, like a nice coffee table book.
[23:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We're only so many will be made and I know people love, I love to do that when there's like, oh, there's only a hundred big ones being a birthday ever.
[24:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, things like that, it's totally, it's totally.
[24:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[24:07] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And so we're, uh, audiobook for sure.
[24:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I, we're working, it's all progress, you know.
[24:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: have to go through the steps of everything.
[24:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yes, and it's still a lot of work.
[24:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It doesn't happen all at once.
[24:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So are you going to do your own audio book?
[24:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, God.
[24:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, I don't think so.
[24:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't speak clear enough.
[24:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I still get a little less every now and then.
[24:36] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I love to use big words.
[24:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't always put them in right places.
[24:40] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's fine.
[24:41] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It comes from the heart.
[24:41] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think I'll go up and be really difficult for me.
[24:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I love audio books.
[24:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I, you know, it's the easiest way to consume because I don't always have time to sit down and read a book.
[24:55] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And so I've been, well, I haven't written read.
[24:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: through this first copy, which we have to edit.
[25:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So once it gets edited, then I will have to read it again.
[25:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I'm reading it on the computer and I'm like, but I literally went through it in two days.
[25:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like my writer and editor were just like, I can't believe how fast you went through it.
[25:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I couldn't stop reading.
[25:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[25:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's my
[25:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, that's the craziest thing.
[25:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like, I think I probably have the third or fourth time.
[25:23] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I might be like, I'm, I'm done with me.
[25:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm good.
[25:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I've relived this so many times this time.
[25:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[25:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think I don't make so pretty good now.
[25:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, by October eighth, you probably will know it by heart.
[25:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You don't meet.
[25:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, you know, I'll be doing the Broadway show.
[25:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So you said in the press release that you want to tell the truth not just about the skating but about everything that nearly tore you apart.
[25:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We don't want you to give any spoilers like just but you can tease if there are some things in the book that you think people may not be aware of that.
[26:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: My intrigue them.
[26:08] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think even just the fact of what you just said that this is about me telling my truths about the things of what really went on and why they went on.
[26:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's always interesting.
[26:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: People always, you know, the behavior of people sometime, you know, you're always like, where did that come from?
[26:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well, does come from somewhere.
[26:26] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And it can come from past, it can come from your current relationship.
[26:30] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It can come from deep down upsetness or sadness or something you just never got over.
[26:36] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And this book, to my side, because there's just so much yuck out there, I'm using yuck because I'd like to say a different word.
[26:46] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, isn't it?
[26:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's like, yeah, that I can be able to use my voice.
[26:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's important because it, when there's something written about you that is not fact, it's really hard to deal with.
[27:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It really breaks my heart.
[27:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And people are very quick to
[27:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: to judge on it or world of grudge about it.
[27:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And you know, either people are gonna accept that this is what really took place.
[27:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's it.
[27:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I know I feel pretty good about it.
[27:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think that's all I can tell you.
[27:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All right.
[27:25] \[UNKNOWN\]: Okay.
[27:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think that's a pretty big tease.
[27:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think I know I'm fascinated because
[27:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: because there were things that came out.
[27:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I remember reading because in ninety five ninety eight in the air, that's when the internet started becoming a thing.
[27:43] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Thank God.
[27:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I phone and I was a teenager.
[27:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Oh my god.
[27:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Social media.
[27:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[27:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Oh my god.
[27:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I can't even imagine how I would have been today.
[27:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: what I would have become or really.
[27:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[27:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So yeah, I look at kids today walking around.
[28:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They've got a phone.
[28:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They're ten years old.
[28:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They've got a phone and I'm just like, I'm so glad I didn't have that.
[28:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[28:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Constant draw as a kid.
[28:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I was one of the last part of a generation where we went outside to play.
[28:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like there were things that you did.
[28:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Um, it was not being on a phone.
[28:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, Nintendo was coming out.
[28:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It was that was the beginning of of things.
[28:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Um, but I remember reading stuff like, oh, I'm going to call up all back.
[28:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Did you know she, she smoked cigarettes or, you know, she doesn't train hard or, you know, she's changing coaches.
[28:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: This and this book is going to give you more definition of those things you've always heard.
[28:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[28:45] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think it's
[28:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: always wonder and also what happened and what have you done since then in your life and this is I mean I wish I could tell every single thing but it would be like an a thousand page book right I mean there are so much that goes on in our lives but I really start with
[29:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: The real things that really people did know there are quite a few things that people did not know and I really had to open up and come clean about it, which is so hard because it's also a pain for yourself.
[29:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's always hard.
[29:26] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, you have to realize you look at yourself in the mirror every morning and if you can't look at yourself, you got a problem.
[29:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, you got it.
[29:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And you're facing things.
[29:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You're facing things.
[29:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It wasn't like, oh, yeah, these are things that happened.
[29:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I never ever faced that.
[29:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I just kept, you know, I didn't address it.
[29:46] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Oh, no, no, no, no.
[29:46] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I, I can speak in the book that, you know, this book is not a revenge on anyone.
[29:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Um, these are solidly mind stakes and I own up.
[29:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I own them.
[29:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I carry my scars.
[30:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, that is what it is and not I think part of maturing and growing up of not always finger pointing and saying, well, it's this one's father, this one's all this one's fault.
[30:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Cause at the end of the day, things are your choices.
[30:13] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Oh, I'm doing this out when it's time to step out, getting out of the situation.
[30:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, it's not right.
[30:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: These are so
[30:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Essential life things that happen and you know some people are just given like they just know and then others they learn a hard way and that was me.
[30:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, but I'm good because it's kind of just made me how I am.
[30:35] \[SPEAKER_04\]: today.
[30:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, and it's your story.
[30:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[30:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that's the thing.
[30:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I think people need to, yeah, people need to realize that going into reading this book is this is the Nicole Bowback story, not the skating fans version.
[30:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm Nicole Bowback story or the media's version or the media's version.
[30:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I promise you it is not a Disney movie.
[30:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Right.
[30:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So, and I think people will appreciate that.
[31:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think it's always been
[31:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: a little bit more quint with your antenna.
[31:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes.
[31:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You know what?
[31:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I like quint and smoothies, but more anyway.
[31:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, I'm into that.
[31:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's my thing.
[31:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I think people also kind of, you know, for a long time in the skating in the nineties, you know, we were so idolized as you like, perfect little princesses on the night.
[31:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And you know, I'm like, for instance, I have so many different sites to me.
[31:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: My wardrobe is ridiculous.
[31:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm like, you know,
[31:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: cowboy boots in the summer on that boots once October hits.
[31:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm a golf queen like all like the decorations come out October first and come down like November twenty seven.
[31:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Right.
[31:45] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That night, maybe it was our like, can you take them the skeletons hanging from now?
[31:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: No, I can't.
[31:52] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And you know, I escaped to our adult speed web and then I escaped to
[31:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, all different things that people are like, wow, she's all over the place.
[32:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: No, not.
[32:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I just love a lot of things, right?
[32:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I like to prove that.
[32:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I like to embrace it.
[32:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think it's more fun.
[32:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes, and it's okay.
[32:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[32:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like it's okay.
[32:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I think it's okay.
[32:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[32:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[32:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Coming to that level of acceptance and encouraging it.
[32:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[32:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You know, except who you are, and it's okay that you like
[32:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Classical music, but you also like nine inch nails.
[32:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like it's okay.
[32:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, it's okay to like all of those things.
[32:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I'm even transporting that to my son with music, because I grew up with such a huge range of music.
[32:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And, you know, he loves, you know, because he's a kid.
[32:41] \[SPEAKER_04\]: He likes all the techno crazy stuff.
[32:43] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But, you know, he gets in the car the other day and he's like, play my discipline.
[32:46] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm like, oh, my boy.
[32:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know,
[32:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And you know, it can be so many different genres and it's so good that I'm able to give that to him.
[32:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like this isn't a house where we only play this kind of music.
[33:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We play everything.
[33:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[33:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So we can, as you start, we can go Nirvana, we can go, you know, Java Jovey, we can go anywhere.
[33:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, so, and that's, I think really great.
[33:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And the nineties were the eighties and nineties, I think, for music was a time to grow and be alive because it was from one side of the spectrum to the other and so enjoyable.
[33:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And yeah, it was a really amazing time.
[33:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And we're going to hear a lot of nineties this season with the nice dance in the nineties.
[33:39] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But how fun we can go back to those two, you know, when you go, I love theme to parties where you have to dress up and thing because I think it's so much fun if you go to a seventies party and you pull up the doll bottoms or a sixties and or you want to be a disco queen or, you know, whatever, it's so much fun and you
[33:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: that we're able to transport that back and bring that classics that are so essential in life, like everyone knows I will survive.
[34:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: All there are options.
[34:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm that coward of that one song that you can pull it out and if the audience is an older and the younger, they're both going to like that piece of music.
[34:19] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yes.
[34:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that's because that song has been remade by different artists.
[34:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So it can touch multiple generations, whether it's Gloria Gainer or cake like either way.
[34:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It can really touch generations that way.
[34:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I appreciate that because then it truly is timeless.
[34:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then you have someone who's never heard the original name here.
[34:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And they're just like, oh my gosh, I didn't know.
[34:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, it's amazing.
[34:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[34:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So it's amazing.
[34:54] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We have that power.
[34:55] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think being skaters, we have that chance to bring that out there.
[35:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, it's such a big thing.
[35:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm always a little bit, I'm a little bit funny about it skating now and I'm very critiquey because I, it was always really important to have that full package of the music.
[35:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: the costume matching, the music, you know, that was the hair, the jewelry, the makeup, everything.
[35:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It just cleanskates, clean laces.
[35:23] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And when I see something off today, when I watch them like, yeah, because it's different.
[35:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, it's such a different time.
[35:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And being a fan back then and then seeing things now, it is very different.
[35:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Very, very different.
[35:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Sometimes it's kind of like, what is watch?
[35:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's like, yeah.
[35:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Or like, what has gone on here?
[35:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, it's very different.
[35:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Exciting though, too.
[35:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's really, you know, sports do need to evolve.
[35:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I mean, the fact of, you know, the boots and the blades now, how much they've evolved is like insane.
[36:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's just, you know, I'm like, what?
[36:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, I feel like, you know, those things have been, you know, another like, you know,
[36:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: lighter than my dishes, you know?
[36:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[36:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And all like I don't even know how to comprehend it.
[36:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Now there's new ways to make costumes and now you can use vocal.
[36:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And yeah, all these things are going quiet.
[36:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's out the walls and I'm just like, what is my kitchen?
[36:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's so it's so I'm trying.
[36:30] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, it is different.
[36:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I am trying to get a little bit more into it because I do feel it's important.
[36:35] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, I was there, you know, I know those feelings.
[36:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I know what the kids go through and what it's like.
[36:41] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And it's important for generations to know that I just think completely disappear, that I still was able to give something back to the sport and back to my fans, really.
[36:54] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that also comes with doing this book.
[36:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And are you hoping that
[36:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: this book is gonna help others who are maybe who are maybe struggling with similar things or need something to inspire them.
[37:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Absolutely not just in skating but in life and then for also parents to read maybe stuff they've gone through as well so it really um it just goes on so touches on so many subjects that
[37:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I hope it will stretch the span of people who read it.
[37:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Because I think there's pretty much something in there for everyone.
[37:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Literally, it is above A. So you had a lot of highs and lows in your career.
[37:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Are there things you look back on that you were particularly really proud of?
[37:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Or maybe things too that you were not as proud of?
[37:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Both.
[37:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Definitely both.
[37:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean,
[37:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That's the thing of the realization of coming clean about stuff is accepting the mistakes you made and being an adult about it and not just drowning in them, getting out of that moving forward is really important because we could all pour me or pour me.
[38:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: This book is not about people who say I'm so sorry what you went through because you can't be.
[38:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I put myself through a lot of stuff and I can own up to it.
[38:26] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'd rather hear
[38:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Man, you pulled through and you're still moving forward.
[38:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That's really.
[38:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's not about, as I said before, it's not a blaming game.
[38:35] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's not a finger pointing book.
[38:37] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I take full responsibility for the things, for the successes and the messes.
[38:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I think that probably what one of the biggest questions that fans will have going into reading the book is, are you going to go into
[38:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: your fight with drug addiction?
[38:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: A hundred percent.
[39:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think that's important because it's very common knowledge.
[39:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And how could I do a book and not talk about that stage of my life?
[39:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's impossible.
[39:13] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It would be wonderful.
[39:13] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But facade is she putting on here.
[39:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Right.
[39:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, and what I was telling you, it touches so many different areas of life that even on kind of like, whoa,
[39:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That was my life, you know, and now this is my life.
[39:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So that's a powerful thing.
[39:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I remember as a fan when the news came out thinking, oh, that it's so incredibly sad, but also it showed that these people that fans often put on pedestals are real people.
[39:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: with real vulnerability and the potential to go through what anyone else could face because drug addiction and particular is just one thing that that happens and it gets sometimes glossed over like the seriousness of it.
[40:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It is an illness.
[40:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It is something that has to be treated and I think
[40:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: with anything that is classified as addiction, sometimes people will think, oh, well, can they just stop?
[40:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that's not real.
[40:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: it's not and I'm really looking forward to reading your book and learning more about these pieces that because I've read like anyone else I read what was in the media and we you know as fans of the sport we only get to see skaters for what
[40:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: three minutes you know for a weekend a couple times of year we never really know their whole story except for what gets put out in the media so we never really know what the struggles you go through or the you know even the highs that you go through none of that all we get is what's on TV
[41:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And now you can't even watch things on TV.
[41:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We're having to go through, you know, peacock and all these streaming platforms, just to watch skating, but we only get what is put out there.
[41:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, you know, and so, you know, for you to tell us what went on in this book is really, you know, it's good for fans.
[41:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's on.
[41:40] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[41:41] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's a very, yeah.
[41:42] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's a very big thing because, you know, I think that
[41:46] \[SPEAKER_04\]: As performers and athletes, we always want to share, you know, of course, the work, what we do that goes into how we perform or compete.
[41:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But, you know, people love to see how being a coal.
[42:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: They love to see me smile.
[42:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: They love, but the fact is, I am not always happy.
[42:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, people generally, you know, we cry.
[42:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm tired.
[42:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, I got bills.
[42:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I got regular issues, my oil life is on in my car right now.
[42:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, and I'm like, how far could I go?
[42:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, I have regular human problems.
[42:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think this book really touches up on that.
[42:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And, you know, but I do think we always want, I always try to, I always promote things that really make me happy.
[42:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And, you know, it's just, it's just trying to me.
[42:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't want, you know, going, you know, crying to be like,
[42:42] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I got to go study good, you know, and this is my life.
[42:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well, that's why we all do it at some point, but it means.
[42:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, you know, it's, we want, we always don't, they're really unsuffish people.
[42:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Don't want people to suffer with us, you know, and that's a big thing.
[42:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And you know, like Robin Williams, we all didn't know him.
[43:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We watched him on, he was the happiest kid I made you out.
[43:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah.
[43:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, he suffered severely with depression.
[43:09] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You're like, how is that even possible?
[43:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But it is a fact.
[43:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So this book is, there's not much in it.
[43:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So make you walk in a relative security soon.
[43:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think it's important, though.
[43:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, these stories that need to be told.
[43:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And also, I think some skating vans, the newer skating vans are not going to realize
[43:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: In the nineties, especially like, ninety five, ninety four through, like, maybe two thousand and two, skating was at this intense popularity where it really was a rock star sensation.
[43:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, it was, it was so huge.
[43:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, we were the number one most watched board over football or anything.
[43:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, it was just this, you know, but it look, it took something tragic.
[44:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That'll go in.
[44:07] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Oh, look at this soap opera.
[44:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They all did.
[44:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Ninety-four.
[44:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It kicked it off.
[44:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And that's the thing that I keep hearing about.
[44:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, a skating and yep, it was something that we still way from still.
[44:26] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's really exciting as a beautiful sport and, you know, it's to me, it's always been incredibly, you know, the men were the athletics and the women were these beautiful, you know, petty flimings and, you know, just
[44:40] \[SPEAKER_04\]: gorgeous out there and we're not helping, yeah, you know, made the sports so big and great, but you know, but it also took away from what skating really, truly is behind the drama, you know, let's look at the performance, not
[44:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: what's going on off the ice kind of a feel.
[44:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[44:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So I've always wished that more people would watch the sport and that it wouldn't take something like big drama to draw them in because it's just beautiful on its own.
[45:13] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That's only the super super devoted.
[45:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[45:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Then the boys love the scandals of it.
[45:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[45:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So I don't.
[45:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm fine without the scandals.
[45:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm late.
[45:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes.
[45:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm happy when it's just skating.
[45:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: One of the reasons why Gina and I started this podcast is we wanted not just to report the news because we do have a weekly podcast where we just talk about all the stuff that's going on, but also to give skaters past and present an opportunity to tell their story without
[45:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Um, without the gloss, without, you know, the hairspray and the makeup and all the pretty things, um, to kind of lift the curtain a little bit, um, just to.
[46:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[46:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think some of them will a little bit.
[46:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think we, you know, when you're competing so, you know, we have a soul kind of responsibility, not to just
[46:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Error or dirty laundry so easily.
[46:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: What do you mean?
[46:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well, I'm in a position where I'm fine.
[46:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm not competing.
[46:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't have to answer to anyone except myself.
[46:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: God, my mom and my son.
[46:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm good.
[46:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't need, you know what I mean?
[46:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And it couldn't be more of a perfect time.
[46:36] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I feel to do this book.
[46:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I really, this has been so important and the right time to do it.
[46:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I was approached a few years ago and I knew that wasn't ready yet.
[46:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Timing is really important and I think it plays a role in skating like peaking at the right time, but also time for a book or time to retire or time.
[46:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All of these things need to come at the time that they're meant to come and pushing and forcing something too soon is.
[47:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[47:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Sometimes you just have to take a step back and let
[47:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: things unfold the way they're meant to, even if it isn't in the time frame that other people would like it to be in.
[47:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Right.
[47:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You got to go on your own time and the universe definitely conspires how things happen.
[47:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And we said it earlier at the beginning about trusting the process.
[47:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think trusting the process is really difficult because you can't always know, well, what is just teaching me?
[47:40] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Why is this happening to me?
[47:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And you just need to keep kind of like just going to let it go.
[47:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And let's see what happens here.
[47:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, when it's kind of blind jumping sometime of trusting the process and allowing yourself to do that as well is not a easy thing.
[48:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Really.
[48:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I think it's important to realize that letting go of control and trust eggs someone out or a process or
[48:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: anything like that is a humbling experience, but it's also, you know, putting, taking off your investment in it and allowing something else to guide it versus taking control.
[48:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's really hard to do because things are happening to you and you want
[48:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: to be an active participant in your life.
[48:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And sometimes you have to step back and let someone help you or let the process lead the way.
[48:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that is harder than taking control.
[48:54] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Much harder.
[48:55] \[SPEAKER_05\]: Yes, much harder.
[48:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Much harder.
[48:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I think just throughout like we learn, you know, the greatest thing about life is that no matter what we do, we learn something new every single day.
[49:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes.
[49:07] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And you know, that's just the most incredible thing.
[49:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Even if you're sitting at home, you still learn something that every day.
[49:13] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's really unbelievable.
[49:15] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I'm just very happy to be alive and moving forward with my life.
[49:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I hope I can share it with everyone.
[49:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So you are a mom now.
[49:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Tell us, have you taken your child, skated?
[49:31] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yes, he's actually in skate school and I don't want him to be a. I do not know hockey, but it's more of I don't want you to skate, but I want you to know how to skate.
[49:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: He's enjoying it.
[49:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: He has fun.
[49:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's really cute.
[49:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I don't see much talent.
[49:54] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I think it's great to, he does gymnastics, he swims, he's very nonstop.
[50:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But you know, letting him do all these things and exposing him is going to give him an opportunity to pick the things that he loves the most.
[50:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Absolutely.
[50:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And personalism.
[50:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That's what I really want.
[50:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: for him to really enjoy something.
[50:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And, you know, it's important when you do see a child have a certain talent in a specific area that you go all in to help them achieve that.
[50:30] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's really what happened in my life.
[50:34] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So, you know, it's just great.
[50:37] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I love being a mom.
[50:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, you're out there skating too, right?
[50:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I am attempting to.
[50:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I make little thirty-second videos on my Instagram.
[50:52] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I usually weekly, sometimes I get too caught up with things like right now.
[50:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm pulling my hair out of my head trying to find right kindergarten from my child.
[51:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And so I haven't been able to make it to the rank.
[51:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I might be able to make it this afternoon, but you know, life happens.
[51:08] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I can't, you know, dedicate myself to be like, I'm going to just start skating again plus my body's older and the mind is good.
[51:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: The mind's like, yeah, you can do that and I get up there and I'm like, you know, you can't.
[51:23] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I still have fun out there.
[51:26] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's what I like to do.
[51:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And then I coach a little bit.
[51:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, okay.
[51:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: How cool is that?
[51:35] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I am.
[51:36] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I actually really love working with the adult skaters a lot.
[51:40] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Because there's no pressure.
[51:43] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like we're actually enjoying the lesson more and moving forward.
[51:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Let's stuff with no light.
[51:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well,
[51:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: This is my goal and I want to get this job by this time.
[51:54] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But whoa.
[51:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And the thing is, I don't find myself to be a really great coach.
[52:02] \[SPEAKER_04\]: My students say, like, they love how I explain things, but they're older.
[52:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I can talk to them differently about feelings and stuff when they're doing something.
[52:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I just wanted to be able to have the opportunity to, if some skater does come up to me and be like,
[52:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Hey, can you help me with the choreography on this program that I'm able to do that?
[52:22] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I have all my license, all my safe sport, all that stuff.
[52:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And then I skated a rank, and obviously, that's very close.
[52:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And there are great little family that have been really supportive.
[52:36] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And it's like, hold, it's like your second home.
[52:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Really, I'm a great little partner for me on the side, because that's literally.
[52:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Are you getting requests to teach your iconic spiral?
[52:50] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Um, not so much.
[52:55] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I feel like it's very sacred.
[52:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And, you know, it's really funny because there really wasn't like some special look formula to it.
[53:04] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think it all just depended on where your body weight was and the length of your legs also.
[53:13] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, that makes sense.
[53:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I was, I mean, I'm not tall now compared to some of the skaters out there now, but I mean, when I skated, I was much longer from my knee down and usually skaters had like short, they were shorter.
[53:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: They were boldly good, which is actually better for jumps.
[53:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I had longer legs.
[53:34] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I think the way I tilted my body into a spiral, and then of course, the flexibility made all the difference.
[53:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: People like Sasha were like, twenty times more flexible than me, but the way she did it was so different that it was not comparable.
[53:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I miss those spiral baby.
[54:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I miss them because now with the... I just... No one is holding a spiral long enough.
[54:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's just a part of a, you know, a choreographic secret.
[54:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I miss those... Your iconic spiral and the ones that came after you with it.
[54:13] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So... I think I said a lot about Paulina's podcast.
[54:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Like, I just want to see a beautiful layback.
[54:20] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Just a plain layback.
[54:23] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Don't grab your foot.
[54:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Don't put a deer head.
[54:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Don't do nothing.
[54:27] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Just beautiful and simple little thing can actually be so effective that people aren't just doing anymore.
[54:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I hear more and more people have a miss like they love the house skating has progress, but I think you still gotta keep
[54:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That, no, the main ingredient.
[54:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The essence of what makes it special.
[54:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Is that it?
[54:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[54:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So, do you watch a lot?
[54:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Did you watch world?
[54:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, we had worlds in Boston, which I did watch worlds.
[55:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I did do a podcast with Polina about keeping, and it was really...
[55:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: not give my opinion sometimes, but I was as nice as could be because it's not about tearing the other skaters apart.
[55:18] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's just my eye from what I see and what I've known and what generation I grew up with.
[55:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So I did have to watch.
[55:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I actually watched it twice because I had to take notes and know their names and most of them like when you've been pronounced.
[55:30] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And yeah, talk about the stuff and, you know, the skating is so different now about, you know, well, this is half turn and this one's doing this.
[55:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: This one didn't do it.
[55:39] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, I'm just kind of like, I'm watching skating is I'm just watching what they're doing.
[55:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm not watching like, oh, she lost points there.
[55:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: She got right.
[55:48] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And stare like, I want to see just the skate.
[55:51] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Let me just watch this skate.
[55:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know what I mean?
[55:54] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I understand no, it's different that it all depends on the points and stuff.
[55:57] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So you can watch it from
[56:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: That kind of eye or you can watch it like I want I just want to see the whole program.
[56:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know what I mean?
[56:06] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, and I think that's why I watch it.
[56:08] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I'm not looking at like oh she she gets more points because she did that.
[56:12] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Yeah, you know those
[56:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[56:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[56:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I feel like we are often now, was skating, watching it like we should have an Excel sheet in our habits tabulating.
[56:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that's hard to do in a part.
[56:30] \[UNKNOWN\]: Yeah.
[56:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And you still have to find a way to appreciate performances without thinking about the score.
[56:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And one of the things that Gina and I
[56:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: have talked about on this podcast is everyone has a different goal in the sport and sometimes it's not to win even though yes we all want to win but I mean there are smaller goals along the way and each skater has their own ability and some are better than others and so for the skater who finishes fifteenth
[57:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That is a huge accomplishment for them, potentially.
[57:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And being happy and supporting and accepting that, versus, well, you're only fifteen.
[57:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's not, you know, there's so much more disgating than the top three.
[57:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, there's so much more.
[57:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And sometimes those performances that are not in the top three can be just as beautiful in their own way in a different way.
[57:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Absolutely.
[57:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So we're heading into an Olympic season here.
[57:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know what that was like.
[57:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So you have like any like advice to the skaters is they're preparing for this Olympic season or anything at all about you know what we're in for as we go into this Olympic season.
[58:00] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I, you know, that's always hard to say.
[58:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I mean, I would think by this time with all the skaters that make the team, they've been obviously skating long enough to make the team and know themselves of what works and what doesn't work, that they're able to not let those rings override you.
[58:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, of course it is a Olympics.
[58:23] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You work your whole life to make the Olympic team and then you're there and you're like, oh, you know, and some are they do great and then others
[58:30] \[SPEAKER_04\]: you know, freak out over it.
[58:32] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It is normal.
[58:33] \[SPEAKER_04\]: We are human.
[58:34] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I think it's, you know, it's all about them also strategizing with their team and their coaches of, look, this works really well for us.
[58:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And then we're going to continue doing that.
[58:46] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I want you to, you know, be focused, but attempt to enjoy the moment also, which is like, you know, because they're always like, oh, just go out there and have fun.
[58:56] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Okay.
[58:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: All right.
[58:58] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And you know what I'm going to call it for your job and you're like, yeah, I'm done.
[59:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, you know, you know, you're done.
[59:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But you still have to finish a program.
[59:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, it's just like, I want to stop them done.
[59:08] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, you already know you missed the spot where you dropped so many points and there's no way you're coming back from it.
[59:14] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's really difficult.
[59:16] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I've been in that position where you missed those elements and you're like, I just lost it.
[59:21] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And there's nothing that I can do about it.
[59:23] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I have to keep going.
[59:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I have to still smile.
[59:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And I have to still be okay.
[59:28] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And that's hard.
[59:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But I think I think the girls in the guys now have so many outlets now for help with their mental strategies out there that the tools are there.
[59:42] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You just gotta use them correctly.
[59:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[59:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You speak about mental health.
[59:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that again reminds me is becoming much more common for people to talk about it.
[59:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But back in the nineties, you didn't.
[59:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't remember ever reading a skater talking about any mental or emotional struggles ever.
[1:00:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: No, I think we all did kind of like some people were able to meditate or visualize the program.
[1:00:11] \[SPEAKER_04\]: didn't work for me really I tried it but it worked for I believe it used to work for Michelle but you know we do have all these outlets now these days to help us I work with an alignment coach that I started working with before this right before this book my agent actually set me up with her and taught the editor you know said you know we want you to be okay during this process and I started talking with
[1:00:39] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Miss Jamie and she helped me tremendously, you know, of just being in a line with myself and as I'm going to say again, trusting the process.
[1:00:49] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, so I've, I needed her and I'm talking to her tomorrow.
[1:00:53] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You know, I think we do have all those things out there for us to help us.
[1:00:59] \[SPEAKER_04\]: But they're not always going to come to you.
[1:01:01] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You've got to reach for them.
[1:01:03] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You've got to, you've got to find them.
[1:01:05] \[SPEAKER_04\]: You've got to invest in yourself to better yourself.
[1:01:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, we really appreciate you coming on and talking with us.
[1:01:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I think it would be cool to have you come back.
[1:01:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Maybe a couple of months after the book is out.
[1:01:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So people have had a chance to read it.
[1:01:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Maybe we could get some of our might be.
[1:01:23] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I might be in a cabin in a lab.
[1:01:24] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I would be in a cabin in a lab.
[1:01:25] \[SPEAKER_04\]: I would be in a cabin in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in a lab in
[1:01:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Um, when people are reading it, they're probably going to have some questions about it.
[1:01:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's going to hit every now.
[1:01:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:01:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So we'd love to have you come back and talk about it then.
[1:01:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Can you let folks know where they can find you on Instagram?
[1:02:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because I know we've talked about that.
[1:02:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So what is, yeah, what's your handle on Instagram?
[1:02:07] \[SPEAKER_04\]: It's all back, seventy seven.
[1:02:10] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And, um, I put a lot on my storyline, just those are more like daily things, like little bit of fun videos.
[1:02:17] \[SPEAKER_04\]: me always in my bikini dancing or, you know, things like normal things, normal things, you know, with my son skating, music, quotes, friends, sometimes I repose something for my friends.
[1:02:29] \[SPEAKER_04\]: And then I try to at least once or twice a week, sometimes it's a little bit more, I'll post on my regular post, a skating video.
[1:02:38] \[SPEAKER_04\]: So if you go on my page, you can scroll down and see all the videos I've done.
[1:02:44] \[SPEAKER_04\]: a great promo video for the for the book and everything which is really great and yeah it's gonna give people pre-ordered the book already on you know Amazon okay okay they will be able to but when when I have that date and everything
[1:03:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All right.
[1:03:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Awesome.
[1:03:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Then we can share it.
[1:03:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We want to get it out there.
[1:03:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So folks can get that.
[1:03:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I want to get our copies too.
[1:03:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:03:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I definitely, I want to read it.
[1:03:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm interested because like I said earlier in the podcast, this is when I really got back in this gating and watching it again.
[1:03:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I remember the stories, like I know what I've read, so I'm really... I'm always fascinated by what is put out there in the media versus what is real and what is true.
[1:03:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's not that I question or think that the media is always wrong.
[1:03:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's just that they always leave parts out.
[1:03:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That either they can't say or they don't want to say, I always want to get to the truth and the real story.
[1:03:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:03:47] \[SPEAKER_04\]: Well, this is pretty much what we'll lay it out for you.
[1:03:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Excellent.
[1:03:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I have my soup mug ready.
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