# Hamish the Futurist

An episode of [Hamish & Andy Plus +](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1616749262), 7 Dec 2020, 16 min.

Audio: https://enrichment.soundstack.com/4vjqq8/episode.flightcast.com/hzzag16tz4jltjvcu0nz915p.mp3

Hamish & Andy recall the time their mate Horgs was challenged to swim across a pond to win a bet. The boys remember two celebrities that made them wait for an interview, Johnny Knoxville and Edward Norton. They also recall their decision to try and sail across Bass Strait in treacherous conditions. And they listen back to audio of Hamish predicting the future in 2010. Hamish & Andy's Remembering Project. Season 1, Episode 18.

## Transcript

[0:02] A listener production.
[0:06] Wilhelm, this is our remembering project.
[0:08] Yep, where a random day of the year is selected and we look up the run sheets from all our shows from across the years to find any we did on that day.
[0:17] Over 20 years, that's about 2,500 shows and roughly 26,000 talk breaks.
[0:22] Today, we pick one.
[0:24] One talk break only and try to remember what happened based on what was written down on the run sheet from that day.
[0:29] As always, we've got podcast Mike Wurst here for any technical stuff.
[0:32] Hello.
[0:32] Mike, what date was randomly chosen today?
[0:35] Hello.
[0:35] It's the 19th of February.
[0:37] Okay, that's Andy's go then.
[0:38] Let's kick it off and find out what years Andy will take us back to and we'll see if we remember anything from those years.
[0:46] This is Hamish and Andy's Remembering Project.
[0:53] Hamish.
[0:55] Good day the 19th Feb.
[0:56] I think normally if you start the year, you're normally finding your feet back into shows.
[1:01] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:02] 19th, usually by the end of the year, we were like, I've noticed going back through these things, we were cooking.
[1:07] Yeah.
[1:07] But, yeah, the start of the year.
[1:09] Yeah, trying to find your feet a little bit.
[1:10] You're allowing yourself sort of February to...
[1:13] Just ease back into it.
[1:14] Yes.
[1:14] Because you want to start ideas and normally there was a bit of a run-up required for them.
[1:18] You notice like November is always like a huge trip or some sort of massive campaign has kind of gathered steam across the year.
[1:26] But yeah, Feb, just chipping away, getting your eye on.
[1:29] Haim, we're not going to hear this, but we had Ed Norton on the show in 2007.
[1:35] Is there something that stands out to you about the Ed Norton interview?
[1:39] Yeah.
[1:40] Yeah.
[1:40] We did it on a Sunday.
[1:42] We did it on a Saturday, I reckon.
[1:43] Or a Saturday.
[1:44] We came in on the weekend to do it.
[1:45] That gives you an idea of how often we did that, Mike.
[1:47] I remember that.
[1:48] The 13 years later as an example of going above and beyond.
[1:54] So this was my memory of it.
[1:56] We don't have it, so we can't listen back to it.
[1:57] I thought it was Australia Day.
[2:00] It could… Well, it can't be.
[2:01] Not in the Feb. Yeah, that's why I'm confused because I remember… I thought I left an Australia Day barbecue to go and… No, we were at a barbecue together.
[2:09] But it wasn't Australia Day.
[2:10] It was at St Kilda Park.
[2:12] It was in St Kilda Gardens.
[2:13] St Kilda Gardens.
[2:14] Yes.
[2:15] And we had had a few.
[2:17] And my guess is Sam, our producer… Yep.
[2:20] It was his party or something because we… He lived next to the St Kilda Botanic Gardens.
[2:24] Because we said to him…
[2:25] I think, didn't we say to him, don't bother coming in because we'll go in, we know how to work it.
[2:30] Ah, yeah, we might have given him a bit of don't worry, man.
[2:33] You keep enjoying your party.
[2:35] Maybe it was his party.
[2:37] I looked into my calendar.
[2:39] I didn't look up the break.
[2:40] I looked at the calendar.
[2:42] The interview was 8.30 on Saturday night.
[2:46] It is weird.
[2:47] I mean, we were… For Edward Norton.
[2:49] I mean, no offence, but… But if I remember correctly now, I reckon he was an hour late or something because I remember you and I sobered up.
[2:57] I remember you and I being slightly worried on our way into… Yep.
[3:02] Because we had drinks in the park.
[3:03] I mean, been in the park in a hot February afternoon, having a great time.
[3:07] And… Wasn't that the day that Hogs swam across the pond?
[3:11] Yeah.
[3:13] Hawks, Hawks, who's a mate of ours, is on the show a lot.
[3:18] He bet, I think he bet.
[3:19] Bet a guy called Brad Bannon.
[3:20] Yeah, bet a guy called Brad Bannon that he could swim across a pond.
[3:24] But it was like a one foot deep swan pond.
[3:27] It was like not a deep.
[3:29] When he went to jump in, he fought.
[3:30] Or both of them were just like beached almost on their stomachs.
[3:33] Like it was a shallow pond.
[3:35] Here's the interesting thing I remember about that because Al, you know, like Andy and I had a similar group of mates.
[3:42] And then Sammy, our producer, is friends with us but a whole different orbit.
[3:46] And they, and, you know, Hogs is, you know, Hogs went to high school when they were kids.
[3:51] Like, Hogs has always been Hogs.
[3:52] He's a unique member of the group, you know.
[3:55] Every group has got a, you're proud of your Hogs.
[3:57] Yeah.
[3:58] But their group's Hogs was Brad.
[4:01] Yeah.
[4:01] And they were very proud of Brad.
[4:02] Oh, Brad, he'll do anything.
[4:03] He'll do anything.
[4:05] And it was two groups meeting, similar to Pokemon, battling their hawkses against each other.
[4:13] It was like, we've got a crazy guy who'll do anything.
[4:16] Or really, our crazy guy will do anything.
[4:18] I think Brad was crazier and hawks was funnier.
[4:22] Spot on.
[4:23] And Brad did not like...
[4:25] anyone sort of encroaching on the alpha of I'm the guy that will do anything.
[4:30] And Hogs kind of looks at those guys and goes, well, what are you going to do?
[4:35] Show me what you'll do and I'll do it if you think you'll do anything.
[4:39] And then people, I don't know where the pond came from, but it was like, well, Brad would swim across there and Hogs would swim across there.
[4:45] I love swimming.
[4:47] And Hogs won and we were thrilled for Hogs.
[4:50] We were thrilled for Hogs.
[4:53] Because it was like they were in their undies.
[4:55] Yes, they were.
[4:55] Just swimming across the Botanic Gardens pond.
[4:58] Yep.
[4:58] Lovely stuff.
[4:59] And we left this amount of fun and the triumph of our Pokemon winning to go into the station.
[5:04] Edward Norton, you better be delivering some doozies here in terms of anecdotes because we've left a victory.
[5:10] And I think this is what...
[5:13] ruined Saturday interviews for the rest of time for us.
[5:16] Like we're saying, you remembered we did it on a weekend.
[5:18] Can't remember any other time we would have done that.
[5:20] From memory, he called through around quarter to 10, 10 o'clock for an 8.30 and we were like, we are not doing this ever again.
[5:30] I can't remember how good the interview was because it was so filthy with Ed Norton.
[5:35] And look, I'm not sure if he'd done Flight Club...
[5:37] Already or not, but... No, he had.
[5:39] That was 99.
[5:40] Okay.
[5:40] So he...
[5:41] I mean, he had our respect.
[5:43] Did he give an excuse as to why he was so late?
[5:45] Oh, they never do.
[5:46] They never do.
[5:47] They never do.
[5:47] Nah.
[5:48] I bet you...
[5:48] I wonder if there's a way I can do this.
[5:50] I'm going to write in notes on my phone, right, the name of a celebrity, and I'm going to ask Andy a question, and I reckon I'll guess.
[6:01] I'll have guessed the answer.
[6:03] Okay.
[6:04] Okay, I see what you're saying.
[6:04] You know what I mean?
[6:05] Just to prove that I know what you're going to say.
[6:07] So you showed me the name.
[6:08] I'm about to show you the name.
[6:10] You got that, Mike?
[6:11] Okay, yep.
[6:11] Who's another person that was just late and didn't give any excuses to why they were late and just generally sloppy?
[6:18] Ooh.
[6:19] Later the interview, we were on our way to the airport, making us wait, making us wait.
[6:23] Had to fly to Sydney that day.
[6:24] You were not happy with him.
[6:27] Not happy at all.
[6:28] Maybe I've erased it.
[6:29] Who was it?
[6:30] Johnny Knoxville.
[6:31] Oh, Knoxville.
[6:34] Knoxville.
[6:34] It's like you've erased it from your memory.
[6:36] But we went out with Knoxville.
[6:37] This was after that.
[6:38] That was after that, wasn't it?
[6:40] And – Remember we went out with Knoxville.
[6:42] Well, we all went out.
[6:43] The film company said come to dinner.
[6:44] And then we went out to like everything.
[6:47] They were paying for everything.
[6:48] So Ham and I, again, just like early days were like, this is incredible.
[6:51] And we went out to somewhere in Sydney.
[6:53] Went to Long Grain in Sydney.
[6:55] Yeah, and then we went to another bar after that.
[6:58] I'm losing memory of that.
[7:00] Some girls rocked up and Knoxville left with them and then we assumed because Knoxville had gone, the party was over.
[7:06] And they were like, no, no, it's all on.
[7:09] They all said it.
[7:10] That's the other thing publicists do.
[7:11] It's all on Johnny.
[7:12] He's not paying for it.
[7:13] He doesn't pay for it.
[7:14] There's no way he's paying for it.
[7:16] It was a good trick to kind of go, oh, what a guy.
[7:18] Let's really encourage people to buy tickets to that film.
[7:21] But anyway, I thought you might be remembering Johnny Knoxville kept us waiting.
[7:23] I don't even remember interviewing him now.
[7:25] I probably was so furious I've just erased it.
[7:27] But anyway, Edward Norton ruined it for everybody.
[7:31] He did.
[7:32] Norton and Knoxville combined.
[7:34] So not going to 2007.
[7:38] 2009, you were showing me pictures of the conditions of Bass Strait.
[7:45] So that must have been when we decided to sail a tall ship across Bass Strait.
[7:50] And I'm sure we'll cover that off on the days that it actually comes up.
[7:53] So maybe we don't hit it now.
[7:54] So that would have been maybe our first inkling that Bass Strait's not the calmest body of water.
[7:58] In 2010, Hammond, this is the one I wanted to concentrate on.
[8:05] It says Hamish has a futurist.
[8:11] futurist.
[8:12] So I assume there's someone on the show that's going to tell us what happens in the future.
[8:16] Yeah, I guess so.
[8:17] That's what a futurist is.
[8:18] I mean, there are like famous ones that work at, you know, Google and stuff like that.
[8:22] Ray Kurzweil is one that Mike would know.
[8:25] He seems to be into that stuff.
[8:27] You familiar with Ray Kurzweil's work?
[8:29] He's a futurist.
[8:29] Definitely not my favourite Ray.
[8:31] Who is?
[8:33] Ray Romano.
[8:33] Oh, yeah, he does.
[8:34] Sorry, of course.
[8:35] Bad lunch shells.
[8:36] He does.
[8:37] He do love everybody who loves Raymond.
[8:41] Would it be fair to say that there's a chance then?
[8:43] That he makes some predictions.
[8:45] That he makes predictions that we've already passed.
[8:48] Or she, yeah.
[8:49] Yeah.
[8:50] I hope it's that.
[8:51] So I suppose that's why I'm thinking.
[8:53] In 11 years, he would have been trying to predict things within the next 10, wouldn't he?
[8:57] He wouldn't have been going to 100 or something.
[8:59] Generally, the rule on radio is you get the predictions for the year.
[9:01] Okay.
[9:02] And then you try and, because you're never sure if you're going to have a job the next year.
[9:05] So you wouldn't go long term.
[9:07] So it just says Hamish presents a futurist.
[9:09] So whether they're there or whether you've found one.
[9:14] Let's give it a crack.
[9:15] Well, let's grab the sponsor first.
[9:17] Yeah, do your sponsor stuff because this could fizzle out.
[9:19] So get the sponsor message away.
[9:23] Okay, great.
[9:24] All right.
[9:24] Shall we take a trip into the past to see what the future held back then?
[9:30] The 19th of February, 2010.
[9:34] Ando, it's time to deal with something.
[9:36] The fact that you're not amazed enough, in my opinion, by the future.
[9:40] You always seem to respond to any sort of technological advancement.
[9:44] I give you any sort of exciting news about where we're going as a species with a bit of, I saw that coming.
[9:49] Well, a lot of it, just before you read any out, don't read anything that I may have seen in a film.
[9:58] Because obviously if it's been in a film, it's not going to impress me.
[10:00] But that's still amazing if that can happen.
[10:02] No, it's not.
[10:02] So you wouldn't be impressed if time travel is around the corner?
[10:06] Time travel, yes.
[10:07] Oh, it's been in a film.
[10:08] But I'm talking about futuristic films.
[10:10] Sorry, not anything in a film.
[10:11] If obviously there's a massive flying dog from The Ever-Renning Story, yeah, I'd be pretty impressed.
[10:15] Yeah, they've just found a big worm dog.
[10:18] No, I'm talking about in just normal futuristic films.
[10:21] Let's say Star Trek, right?
[10:22] Say I go, yeah, they can jump across the universe.
[10:26] They do that in Star Trek.
[10:27] Impressed?
[10:28] Very impressed.
[10:29] Amazed?
[10:30] Yeah.
[10:31] Sorry, I should clarify further.
[10:32] I'm talking about just the run-of-the-mill, earthbound futuristic films, right?
[10:38] They're the ones that you've got to be wary of.
[10:40] Because if you say, for instance, oh, we're going to read newspapers and they're going to be interactive and electronic, like a minority port, I go, yeah, they're kind of already doing that with the iPad.
[10:49] What about Terminator?
[10:50] So they're going to send robots back from the future to kill kids that might be a nuisance.
[10:54] That's time travel again.
[10:55] That's time travel again.
[10:55] Sorry, but that's based on Earth.
[10:57] I know, but everything on Earth at that point is normal.
[11:01] So robot wars, you're expecting that?
[11:04] Probably use robots.
[11:05] We already are, aren't we?
[11:06] Yeah.
[11:06] In war?
[11:07] All right, here's my three things.
[11:08] Okay.
[11:08] I picked three things to amaze you.
[11:11] And I'm not going to just poo-poo it.
[11:12] I'll just...
[11:13] I'll just say.
[11:15] There will be rapid prototyping and 3D printing, which means you can type something into a computer, okay, like sneakers, and it will be able to assemble it in a machine, print it, 3D, you can wear them.
[11:28] What do you mean?
[11:29] You just type the word sneakers?
[11:31] You type an image in and design it, and it can just assemble it using nanomachines, and you can do it with food that will be edible.
[11:38] Well, I suppose that's pretty impressive.
[11:41] Are you happy with that?
[11:42] Yeah.
[11:43] It's amazing.
[11:44] That's what it is.
[11:44] It's amazing.
[11:45] They're kind of already doing that.
[11:46] How are they doing that?
[11:47] Where are they printing food?
[11:48] Not food, but Toyota factories, any factory that you... That's plastic.
[11:52] I'm talking about any material on earth.
[11:54] You can just put it in a computer and go print it.
[11:56] You can print a diamond.
[11:57] But you're not actually getting a diamond.
[11:59] Yeah, you are.
[12:00] So you can get...
[12:01] It assembles itself from a molecular level.
[12:04] Well, no one wants that.
[12:06] That's going to lower the price of diamonds dramatically.
[12:08] Well, that's one side effect.
[12:09] But the other thing is you can just make a million cows and everyone's happy and we're all eating.
[12:13] Okay.
[12:14] And make food.
[12:14] Well, that's very impressive.
[12:16] Amazed by that?
[12:16] Yeah.
[12:16] I might have embellished a few things there.
[12:18] I don't think that can happen.
[12:20] Well, it will happen.
[12:21] What?
[12:21] I can print out a real cow?
[12:23] You can print out a cow.
[12:23] I don't...
[12:25] I think so.
[12:26] Anyway.
[12:26] Take it as a given.
[12:27] If that happens, because that's where this technology ends up, if you can do rapid prototyping.
[12:32] Can you make it up?
[12:33] Are you making up these things?
[12:34] I'm not making them up.
[12:35] I'm looking at futurists saying that's where we're going, and I'm saying, cool, we'll be able to print cows.
[12:40] I don't think there's been any kind of document written up that suggests that we can print animals.
[12:48] Ray Kurzweil says that by about 2070, using nanomachine fogs, anything can be assembled.
[12:56] Okay.
[12:56] All right?
[12:58] That's one from one.
[13:00] In about 30 years, there'll be no fertility problems.
[13:03] 100-year-old people could have babies, and babies could have babies if they want.
[13:07] Well, I don't think babies will have babies.
[13:08] Well, no, it's not using normal methods.
[13:11] You're not going to give birth to a pregnant baby.
[13:14] It's just, I don't know how they're going to do it, but this was just on a website that goes, yeah, babies can have babies if they want.
[13:19] I think fertility, I'm not that impressed by that because obviously with IVF, the way it's going.
[13:25] Not amazed by that?
[13:26] Well, a 100-year-old, if they have sperm and there's frozen eggs and so on, that can still happen.
[13:34] If a pregnant baby came out, I'd be pretty amazed.
[13:36] Yeah, it'd be weird though, wouldn't it?
[13:37] No one's saying it's going to be pregnant.
[13:39] If I can just clarify.
[13:40] Partial credit.
[13:41] Not amazed?
[13:41] Not amazed.
[13:42] Kind of amazed.
[13:43] Impressed, but not amazed.
[13:44] Yeah.
[13:44] All right.
[13:45] Third point.
[13:46] This is the final one, yeah?
[13:47] Yeah.
[13:48] Okay.
[13:49] Robots will make financial, environmental, and political decisions by themselves.
[13:55] No.
[13:56] And will be able to vote.
[13:57] Well, I don't think that'll ever happen.
[13:59] I think you made it up.
[14:00] I do make it up.
[14:00] These are from, well, they're all made up because no one's actually been to the future and checked.
[14:04] But these are all futurist, smart people going, this is where we're going.
[14:07] Are you amazed by that?
[14:09] I think we'll make smart robots.
[14:11] Yeah.
[14:11] Way smarter than the human brain.
[14:13] I don't, but we've already seen that in iRobot and stuff.
[14:16] Like that's a fake movie.
[14:18] But that's kind of what we're talking about, where we're going, obviously.
[14:21] So you're not amazed by that?
[14:22] Not really, but I don't think we should give them the vote anyway.
[14:25] I've got another hang on.
[14:27] I don't think we should really give them the vote.
[14:29] Turn them off.
[14:30] Turn them off when it comes to voting day.
[14:31] Turn them off.
[14:32] Unplug them.
[14:33] And then the day after the election, we'll turn them back on if they go, hang on, did you guys vote?
[14:36] Oh, yeah, I guess we did.
[14:38] Sorry about that, guys.
[14:38] Hey, mission Andy.
[14:40] Ray Kurzweil flashback.
[14:41] Ray.
[14:42] I told you, he's a good futurist.
[14:45] Do you know any others?
[14:46] No, but he is the, you start looking into futurists and he's the godfather.
[14:51] Well, you were right with the printing.
[14:53] That has come a long way.
[14:56] I mean, they're printing meat now.
[14:57] Yeah.
[14:58] So you kind of, we're not printing full cows yet.
[15:01] Not full cows.
[15:02] And I don't think anyone back then was claiming it either.
[15:04] But I mean, robots do make financial decisions.
[15:07] Yeah, absolutely.
[15:07] All the time.
[15:08] They just don't vote yet.
[15:10] No.
[15:11] I'm still against the vote.
[15:13] I am.
[15:13] The more I learn about AI, the more I think we should not give them the vote.
[15:17] And I'm also a strong no on the babies having babies.
[15:20] That's something that, yeah, no one was expecting today when we were remembering back to past shows that we would hear the phrase pregnant babies.
[15:30] Good remembering, weird remembering.
[15:32] Weird.

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