# Will Jack Cry?

An episode of [Hamish & Andy Plus +](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1616749262), 2 Nov 2020, 20 min.

Audio: https://enrichment.soundstack.com/4vjqq8/episode.flightcast.com/ksx8pe0d04f6ux0jozomh804.mp3

Hamish & Andy remember how 'Layla’s Loot Shoot' came about and tell a story about how their old boss used some insider knowledge to leave the company and become the sponsor of the show. The boys then revisit two of their more awkward moments: a challenge to see if Andy could make Cackling Jack cry, and a fake surprise birthday party for a fairly new employee. Hamish & Andy's Remembering Project. Season 1, Episode 8.

## Transcript

[0:02] A listener production.
[0:06] Wilhelm, this is our remembering project.
[0:08] Yep, where a random day of the year is selected and we look up the run sheets from all our shows from across the years to find any we did on that day.
[0:17] Over 20 years, that's about 2,500 shows and roughly 26,000 talk breaks.
[0:22] Today, we pick one.
[0:24] One talk break only and try to remember what happened based on what was written down on the run sheet from that day.
[0:29] As always, we've got podcast Mike with us here for any technical stuff.
[0:32] Hello.
[0:32] Mike, what date was randomly chosen today?
[0:35] It's the 13th of October.
[0:37] Okay, then.
[0:38] It's Hamish go.
[0:39] Let's kick this off and find out what years Hamish will take us back to and see if we remember anything from those years.
[0:47] This is Hamish and Andy's Remembering Project.
[0:53] And the 13th of October.
[0:54] Where are you taking us, bud?
[0:55] We did shows in 2008, 2009, 2010, 14, 15 and 16.
[1:02] So 13th of October, a popular day for H&A to get in the studio.
[1:05] And possibly 2006.
[1:07] Possibly 2006, no one knows.
[1:09] No one knows.
[1:11] The archives lost.
[1:12] Unknown, unknown at the stage.
[1:14] So gee, a lot of stuff happened.
[1:15] Just a couple of highlights before we get to the audio I've got for today.
[1:19] 2015, I don't think it was our first one, but we didn't do many of these.
[1:24] I'd say we probably did about 15 to 20 of these phone calls.
[1:27] We did, hey, it's me.
[1:30] The prank where we'd call up a shoe store and just hope that people, that we would sound like the boss or someone that made sense.
[1:37] So a bit of, hey, it's me.
[1:39] You know, can you bring in those shoes from outside?
[1:42] I think we want to put a different display out.
[1:43] Yeah.
[1:44] And just hope the person would go, yeah, okay, no worries.
[1:46] If you start a phone conversation with, hey, it's me,
[1:49] the assumption that you definitely are known to the person picking up is so strong.
[1:55] And so that's what we were playing on.
[1:56] It only worked a couple of times.
[1:57] Yeah.
[1:58] Because then invariably the person would go, who's this?
[2:01] It's me.
[2:01] It's me.
[2:03] At that stage, you know, the plane is plummeting towards the earth.
[2:06] There's no chance of survival.
[2:07] And you don't have time.
[2:09] Often your tactic was, don't have time for this.
[2:10] Can you just… Yeah, or just emphasise me.
[2:13] Me.
[2:13] It's me.
[2:13] It's me.
[2:14] It's me anyway.
[2:15] Can you get those shoes in?
[2:17] Fun segment.
[2:18] We had a Hey It's Me.
[2:19] Maybe on a different day when it's slimmer pickings, we will play a Hey It's Me on one of these shows because it would be fun to go back and remember.
[2:27] 2008, Katy Perry was on the show.
[2:30] All right.
[2:30] First time on for her?
[2:31] I don't know.
[2:32] Hard to say.
[2:33] Maybe.
[2:33] We had her on a lot.
[2:34] We did have her on a lot.
[2:35] She first came on, Mike, for I Kissed a Girl.
[2:38] Yeah.
[2:39] Which…
[2:40] I'll be the first to admit, I thought was such one of those songs that just pop up and then disappear and you never have another hit.
[2:46] Bit of a one hit.
[2:47] Bit of a one hit.
[2:49] Gabriella Chilme kind of vibe.
[2:50] Well, she had multiple hits.
[2:52] I'm not as bad as Katy Perry.
[2:53] And he's made his steak.
[2:57] No, but I'm more talking about the subject matter.
[3:01] I kissed a girl and I liked it.
[3:02] Then you realise.
[3:03] It's an attention.
[3:04] Novelty.
[3:05] I'd rather do it with Madonna.
[3:06] It's the attention-seeking type song which does get some high rotation, but then you're like, how are you going to back this up?
[3:13] You do realise that that's all Katy Perry songs.
[3:15] Like all her songs are based on that, like, you know, we went and had a wild night, like, you know…
[3:21] You realise that was she kind of like… Did a bit of that early but then later now she's just like, I'm going to roar and… Still attention seeking.
[3:28] Don't think that's a lie.
[3:29] Still though.
[3:30] If someone's in a room and everyone's working quietly and someone roars, who's the attention seeker?
[3:36] Yeah, that's true.
[3:37] So I had Katie on and I thought, oh, look, fond memories certainly of Katie.
[3:41] We enjoyed our chats but no burning need compared to what else we could have done.
[3:47] Also, one of those shows where we were like…
[3:50] going over Caravan of Courage names at that stage.
[3:53] 2008 though, I think that was either, it was an Australian Caravan of Courage.
[3:57] It was either our first.
[3:58] Up the gut.
[3:59] You reckon it was our one up to Darwin?
[4:01] Yep.
[4:03] So, you know, you know how those ones go.
[4:04] There's just a lot of pondering names.
[4:06] Yeah.
[4:06] Just a lot of puns.
[4:08] Who dares Darwin?
[4:09] That was the winner.
[4:10] I think we got there.
[4:10] I think that was the winner.
[4:11] Which is okay.
[4:13] Name a better one.
[4:16] There was a bit, yeah, from back in the day where someone from the house I'd moved into sent, I found old mail for a recipient but they'd won a Guinness World Record.
[4:27] And it was like, because I got a letter from them.
[4:30] I forgot about this but I remember this happened.
[4:32] What did they won?
[4:33] I can't remember what they won if I didn't say but it was from the Guinness World Record people because I saw the envelope and I was like, oh.
[4:39] Blake, you magnificent bastard, what have you done?
[4:41] And they went, oh, no, it's for the old tenants.
[4:44] And I opened it up and it was like, you know, you've got to re-register.
[4:47] You've got to pay a fee to stay relevant or whatever.
[4:50] You have to pay to be in the Guinness.
[4:51] It was something like that.
[4:52] Did you know that, Mike?
[4:53] No, but you'd think there'd be costs involved with like having the people come out.
[4:57] Oh, yeah.
[4:58] Someone's got to pay for it.
[4:59] I know, but once you've come out and they've done it, what is the upkeep?
[5:02] What to print your name in there?
[5:04] I just think it's… Why wouldn't you, though?
[5:06] I mean, if you're the Guinness…
[5:08] corporation who I know sell beer as well on the side to make ends meet so they can finance the books and the measuring sticks and all the things they need to do the records, the stopwatches.
[5:16] They must have the rolling wheels and the laser pointer measurer and all that, you know, chalkboard to tally things up.
[5:26] Just a simple counter clicker.
[5:28] Yeah, they'd have those.
[5:29] So, you know, there's obviously a lot of expenses involved in Guinness World Records.
[5:32] Once someone's got one, of course they're paying $15 a year to stay on there.
[5:35] Yeah.
[5:36] You know, that's an easy way to sting them.
[5:37] Yeah.
[5:39] But, you know, that was the day that I discovered that.
[5:42] Layla's Loot Shoot premiered in 2016.
[5:44] Oh, my gosh.
[5:45] Yeah.
[5:46] And guess what?
[5:46] I'm not even going to play it.
[5:48] Wow.
[5:49] And Layla meant a lot to me.
[5:50] This is a chicken suit that I designed during a boring meeting.
[5:55] This is actually a rare moment, Mike, where I'd said, nah, I don't think so.
[6:01] Let's not do this.
[6:02] And Haim went, yeah, okay.
[6:04] Because normally in our lives we have ideas all the time and unless both people turn the key, like nuclear codes, we're like, we'll think of something else.
[6:11] Yeah.
[6:11] Haim went, I'm doing it.
[6:14] I don't think you understand really what I'm saying here, Andy.
[6:17] It's a suit.
[6:18] Much like Pluck a Duck from Hay Hat Saturday, but only half a man, half chicken.
[6:24] Something goes in the front.
[6:26] You can plunge it out the back and it looks like it's laying an egg.
[6:29] Now we can put beers in there.
[6:31] Initially I wanted beers in there.
[6:32] Yeah.
[6:33] But then it turned into an egg that I would poop out and you'd crack it.
[6:37] Did you ever hear Lola's Lucha?
[6:38] Yeah, of course.
[6:39] And I will say it was a very visual thing to be listening to a podcast.
[6:43] Gotcha.
[6:45] I was going to say it was not my favourite part of the podcast.
[6:49] Crazy.
[6:51] Because it was so much fun to do.
[6:54] And we had DJ Khaled's All I Do Is Win playing.
[6:58] And I'd come in.
[6:58] People would pick one to six.
[7:00] And that was the very first one, I think, that 2016, because we needed a sponsor.
[7:03] And GoTo Skincare, my wife came in.
[7:05] And no one would sponsor it.
[7:07] And my wife's company sponsored it for the first.
[7:09] Layla's loot shoot.
[7:11] Any sponsor that gets – well done to Zoe and GoTo – but any sponsor that got on early, Mike, on an idea, generally had a good windfall.
[7:19] And they're – I'm not sure whether this is fair to say, but I mean, it wasn't insider trading, but Jeff Ellis, he was our original program director, or actually station manager.
[7:30] Yeah.
[7:31] His wife, Janine Ellis, started Boost Juice.
[7:33] Oh, really?
[7:34] Jeff –
[7:35] gives us the job in Drive, leaves the company, but then buys Boost Juice sponsorship, I think nearly for a year.
[7:44] One year.
[7:45] For a year.
[7:45] The first year and year we were just wall-to-wall Boost.
[7:48] At rock-bottom prices.
[7:49] Because he gave us the job, then left the building, came back and said, come on, man, no one's going to buy these guys.
[7:54] No one knows who they are.
[7:57] It's an amazing move.
[7:59] And so they got very cheap advertising as the show took off in 2006.
[8:03] So Zoe saw a similar opportunity with Layla's Looch.
[8:05] Yes, and capitalised.
[8:07] Unfortunately, Layla did struggle to take off, probably because it was very visual, but always enjoyed donning the suit and pooping out an egg.
[8:14] Yes.
[8:15] And two bits of audio, actually, from today.
[8:18] One is from 2014.
[8:19] Okay.
[8:20] And I think this is, that's business brunch days, which we've talked about before.
[8:26] The business brunch was our mid-morning show.
[8:29] Yep.
[8:30] That we really were doing for the podcast.
[8:32] Yep.
[8:33] We threw a surprise party.
[8:35] All it says is new staff member will surprise party.
[8:40] Wow.
[8:40] So there's a will surprise party.
[8:44] I think was a new guy working in the building.
[8:46] Right.
[8:47] And we threw him a surprise party?
[8:49] Like a surprise welcome party?
[8:50] I think in the – because look, that's why I'm fascinated to listen back to it because I'm like –
[8:56] This could go – this could be a number of different things, but I think we had – Well, to paint the picture of people, when we did the Business Brunch and the Happy Hour, these kind of two years of shows that were more about the podcast that we were getting broadcasted, we were down in these digital studios that essentially no one was using ever.
[9:13] Yeah.
[9:14] So it's like the Wild West.
[9:15] We're down there kind of doing whatever we want, no one checking out.
[9:17] Occasionally we'd go into a... One of those people you hear about in the 70s that we still thought World War II was going on, like walking around Japanese soldiers on islands in the Pacific who hadn't been told it was over.
[9:26] Occasionally we'd go down to the studio, though, and the buttons would be removed and stuff.
[9:30] Because if...
[9:31] Someone needed a button upstairs, you'd just go down and jimmy one off.
[9:33] Yeah, so it was like pick apart for like...
[9:37] It was like mechanics going down to another desk.
[9:39] It was working, but just taking bits and taking it up to the radio studios.
[9:42] Yes.
[9:43] But, yeah, we did a lot of fun, weird stuff.
[9:46] We did.
[9:47] I don't really recall what this is.
[9:48] You might give a nod to the sponsors before we… Well, let's listen to this, actually.
[9:52] There's two bits of audio I want to play from today.
[9:53] Let's listen to this first.
[9:56] The 13th of October, 2014.
[10:00] Amy, we wanted a little bit of an experiment today.
[10:02] The topic being faking it for the happy hour.
[10:04] We wanted to see, would someone new to this company fake something to keep everyone happy?
[10:11] Because that normally happens when you're in a new environment.
[10:13] You just want to please everyone, keep everyone happy.
[10:14] One of the most intimidating things for any workplace, especially in an office environment, is if everyone throws you a birthday party.
[10:22] For most people, you never really have to address the company as a whole.
[10:27] You're just allowed to come to work, chat to the people in your area, do your job, get the heck out of town, put your gear on, go out for a night of dancing.
[10:34] That's all you want to do.
[10:36] But it can be awkward when it's your birthday because everyone's staring at you.
[10:39] You have to say, oh, thanks, everyone.
[10:40] Thanks for going to the trouble.
[10:41] What if it's not your birthday?
[10:42] Do you play along?
[10:44] So we wanted to see, is Will the kind of guy that would just play along, having seen all the effort we've gone to?
[10:48] About seven of us organised the meeting room.
[10:51] We had party hats, party poppers.
[10:52] We had a cake.
[10:54] And we were ready to invite Will, the new guy here in.
[10:57] He's a technician.
[10:58] And to see, would he go along out of politeness?
[11:03] Time is 10.30.
[11:07] We are about to see whether Will Todd, the new technician here, is going to fake it if we all believe it's his birthday.
[11:15] And in fact, it's not.
[11:15] We've got birthday cakes going, got hats, party poppers.
[11:20] We're all dressed quite festively.
[11:22] That's kind of an accident.
[11:24] But, Hayme, are you ready to go here?
[11:26] I'm just going to let you know.
[11:27] I've just absolutely turned around and made eyes at Will through the glass.
[11:30] He's...
[11:33] Curious.
[11:34] Yep.
[11:35] I think he's now trying to pick back in.
[11:37] I don't think that cover's blown, but I will say this.
[11:40] Go, go, go, go, go.
[11:42] Did he get to the point where he actually blows out the cameras?
[11:45] He's definitely...
[11:50] Happy birthday to you.
[11:52] Come on in, mate.
[11:53] Happy birthday to you.
[11:54] Happy birthday, dear Wimmy.
[11:57] Happy birthday to you.
[12:01] Hooray!
[12:02] Hooray!
[12:05] Hey, Thomas, have a good birthday.
[12:07] Have a good birthday, buddy.
[12:10] Have a bit of cake.
[12:13] Have a bit of cake.
[12:14] It's not my birthday, though.
[12:15] What do you mean?
[12:16] It's not my birthday.
[12:20] How dare you not fake it?
[12:28] Okay, that's several layers more.
[12:31] Yes.
[12:32] I didn't know it was a fake surprise party.
[12:34] I forgot we did.
[12:37] You yelled at him at the end.
[12:38] Lovely fellow.
[12:39] Lovely fellow, Will.
[12:40] Made a huge impact.
[12:41] So what were we going to listen to today then?
[12:45] I've got something else for you.
[12:46] It's another kind of – So it was actually happy hour that time, wasn't it?
[12:50] It was happy hour.
[12:50] It wasn't a business brunch.
[12:51] Happy Hour and Business Rans were pretty similar.
[12:53] Yeah.
[12:53] Just changed their names, I think, because we moved the time slot.
[12:57] But what I want to get to is the start of something we still get referenced.
[13:03] Okay.
[13:03] What year?
[13:04] 2010.
[13:05] 2010.
[13:06] Okay.
[13:06] 2010.
[13:07] So we're on Drive Radio.
[13:08] Yep.
[13:09] And this is 7th of October.
[13:11] So coming to the end of our final year, wasn't it?
[13:15] Yeah, absolutely.
[13:16] Yeah.
[13:16] Coming to the end of our final year on radio.
[13:18] Okay.
[13:18] Do your sponsor stuff and then we'll have it after this.
[13:22] Okay, today's main course that I want to try and remember is I believe, according to the run sheet I've got here from the 13th of October 2010, this might have been the time we talked about, where you talked about, trying to make Jack cry.
[13:38] So Jack, who pushed the buttons for us for a large part of our radio career and still does on the podcast today…
[13:44] For some, it's become a thing.
[13:46] It became a thing where you said before the, I think you said before the end of the year, I'll make you cry, Jack.
[13:50] Yeah.
[13:51] Which is not a nice thing to say.
[13:53] We were just like going, we're going to set some goals for before the show wraps up.
[13:57] And I think at this stage we knew we were going to do like a thank you tour.
[14:01] And people still remind me on email and direct message me on Instagram.
[14:04] Mike, you were saying it comes in a lot.
[14:05] Yeah, out of all the like unresolved plot lines of the show, this is probably the most common.
[14:10] Well, I'd love to go back to the moment it started.
[14:13] Oh, no.
[14:15] The 13th of October, 2010.
[14:17] Ando, a bit of a question for you, a bit of an experiment that I'd be interested to get the answer for.
[14:27] For people that don't know, Cackling Jack presses the buttons for us here.
[14:32] Usually about once a week, once or twice a week.
[14:34] We can obviously risk the full-time quality of the show to his bumbling hands, but his heart's in the right spot.
[14:42] We love having him around.
[14:42] His heart's in the right spot, even if his fingers regularly aren't.
[14:46] Turn your microphone on for a sec, Jack.
[14:48] Hi.
[14:48] You're a pretty fun-loving guy.
[14:50] Yeah.
[14:50] What does that mean?
[14:51] Just like I like stuff?
[14:52] Like fun stuff?
[14:53] You like and enjoy fun stuff.
[14:55] And here's my question to you.
[14:57] How long would you need, do you reckon, to make Jack cry?
[15:03] But you can't touch him.
[15:06] I can't touch him.
[15:08] Having said that, whatever I say here, Jack, I kind of say I love you as a bloke.
[15:12] You're a great guy.
[15:13] That's not the challenge.
[15:14] 15 minutes.
[15:15] 15 minutes?
[15:16] Maybe.
[15:17] 15?
[15:17] You'd make Jack cry in 15 minutes?
[15:19] Well, the idea is to wear me down emotionally.
[15:22] Well, all you've got to do is get Jack crying.
[15:23] We're not going to do this.
[15:25] No, no, no.
[15:27] 15 minutes, I would be interested to know what your tactics are.
[15:31] So I can't touch him.
[15:32] You can't, because you're making cries by, I don't know, cutting off a finger or something.
[15:36] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[15:36] You know, you can't touch him.
[15:37] So you're sort of in a room, he's sitting in a chair.
[15:39] It's like a police interrogation room.
[15:41] You have 15 minutes to make him cry.
[15:43] I haven't thought about it, really, but I suppose an all-out verbal attack, I suppose.
[15:48] No, I don't reckon.
[15:49] I'm too happy, I think.
[15:50] Like, mate, you'd probably better go and cry with laughter.
[15:53] No, it has to be sad crying.
[15:56] I didn't think of that, did I?
[15:56] I don't know what you could say, especially now that I know that you're just trying to make me cry.
[16:01] Well, yeah, I'd have to be out of game by surprise.
[16:06] So he comes home one day and you're sitting in the chair just going through bad childhood memories with him.
[16:12] No.
[16:13] No, I don't think...
[16:14] I think it would just have to be quite...
[16:16] I mean, again, Jack, I'd never do this.
[16:18] Full-on abuse.
[16:20] I think it would just... Just screaming abuse at him.
[16:25] Just really...
[16:27] I think what it would start with... All right, do it to Jack, but don't swear.
[16:31] Just beep over or skip over any swear words.
[16:33] No, I think it would have to start with...
[16:36] I think I'd have to go for shock cry Jack wouldn't cry if I just yelled at him But like I'd probably wait for him in the car So you're going to scare me into crying No, no, I'm not going to jump out and boo you I'd just be waiting for you And then I think I'd have to show a bit of Tears and emotion myself You know how you get that shocked What's going on kind of vibe Tell him a really sad story
[17:00] I think I'd probably say you've uploaded a podcast with something.
[17:05] I do that every second night.
[17:07] I'm not going to cry about that.
[17:11] No, in the podcast you left in something that ruined Hamish and my career or something like that.
[17:17] Would you cry?
[17:17] I'd go, how could you do this?
[17:20] Would you cry about that, Jack?
[17:21] Maybe if you kept going.
[17:23] Then I start tearing up.
[17:25] If I really believed you and you were crying as well.
[17:28] Would you cry if you'd ruined our careers?
[17:31] If you were crying as well, that might bring on tears.
[17:33] I don't know.
[17:34] 15.
[17:34] 15 minutes.
[17:37] Zero to bawling in 15?
[17:38] Yeah.
[17:38] How long would it take you to forget about we've had this conversation?
[17:42] If you wouldn't cry, I find that really upsetting if you wouldn't cry that you'd ruined our careers.
[17:46] I think I would cry if you're not crying about ruining our careers.
[17:49] No, you're crying.
[17:50] You're making me cry.
[17:51] Why, you don't ruin our careers.
[17:53] Yeah, 15.
[17:59] It feels strange to think about.
[18:01] But, yeah, people keep asking me to do this.
[18:03] It became a huge thing.
[18:04] When are you going to make Jack cry?
[18:05] When are you going to make Jack cry?
[18:07] Listening back to it, I reckon you changed your tack halfway through.
[18:10] I reckon at the start, I don't know about you, Mike, but I reckon at the start your tactic was personal insults.
[18:16] I think at the start you were like, I'd just be an all out.
[18:18] I'd go personal.
[18:21] And then you began to realise, no, that doesn't sound good.
[18:25] Not sounding good.
[18:26] The whole concept didn't sound particularly good, did it?
[18:29] Then it turned into more sympathetic crying.
[18:31] Well, you have these funny things in live radio particularly where Hamish and I often push each other into areas and I did find this a little uncomfortable because I'm like, you know, bullying, I'm anti-bullying.
[18:42] And this just seemed like a bully contest of which, and I like contests.
[18:48] So I was very torn.
[18:50] Turned into though more of a – it was more of a psychological question.
[18:53] It was more of just like a – I suppose a police –
[18:57] could you get someone in that headspace?
[18:58] Yes.
[18:59] But I think you stumbled onto the right tactic.
[19:01] Yeah.
[19:01] Certainly the most politically correct tactic rather than I guess I'd just go full on personal.
[19:05] I think I'd still feel terrible sitting in the car park going, I'm waiting to make Jack cry.
[19:11] And also just going, you've ruined this, you left this in and started to cry and he'd be crying and then going, yes!
[19:17] Sure.
[19:18] But I mean people… Nothing a glitter cannon wouldn't fit.
[19:23] A couple of snazzy sound effects and a highlight reel.
[19:25] Having said that, though, Mike, there is a real thirst for it, isn't there, from the listeners?
[19:27] I have a feeling this came up again a few years later.
[19:31] Yeah, and the other one is, for some reason, people keep saying, have you stolen Jack's lunch yet?
[19:35] Yes, it's to do with something to do with stealing his lunch to make him cry, I think.
[19:40] Right.
[19:41] Because people keep asking me that, and I'm like, why do I have to steal his lunch?
[19:43] That's what this show's for.
[19:46] Maybe we'll stumble across that again.
[19:47] I know one of our nuts trips down memory line.
[19:50] We'll see.
[19:51] We'll see.

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