# Me amenazaron por contar mi testimonio - Episodio 90

An episode of [CARAS VEMOS SUFRIMIENTOS](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1614156002), 25 Jul 2024, 1 h 15 min.

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Eva Curiel visitó Caras Vemos hace un año, desafortunadamente no tuvimos el tiempo suficiente y mucha gente pidió que Eva fuera entrevistada de nuevo. Te recomiento ver la primera entrevista y que entres en el tiktok de Eva @eva_curiel para ver las fotos del momento en ocurrieron las vivencias su testimonio. Eva GRACIAS por tu generosidad y valentia. Este programa no es terapia si piensas que la puedes necesitar acude a un psicólogo/a clínico o psiquiatra. Si necesitas terapia. evita aquellas personas sean youtubers, psicóologo/a de la tv y que quieran lucrar contigo. Conviértete en un supporter de este podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/caras-vemos-sufrimientos--6047464/support.

## Transcript

[0:05] Faces, we see sufferings, don' t we know? Welcome to faces,
[0:15] we see suffering, don' t we know? Remember that the objective
[0:19] of this program is documentary and educational. It' s not therapy at all.
[0:26] If you need therapy, go to a psychologist or clinical psychologist or psychiatrist,
[0:32] preferably not in 100 percent of your time on social media like me or
[0:37] on TV. Today' s program is very special why, because she is
[0:45] a person who has come to the program before that we had a lot left
[0:51] to talk about that I personally have received a lot of criticism and I understand
[0:58] it because they complained that she had not been given enough time and I agree
[1:03] and for this reason she has returned eva curiel. Welcome, Silvia. Thank
[1:08] you very much. A year ago I loved being here a year ago.
[1:11] It was you going fast the time, a year ago and what I'
[1:15] m going to do is give small details of the beginning. We know that
[1:19] the moment is different, that there are situations that you fortunately, if it
[1:26] happens again, you no longer have to live them and that, above all,
[1:30] the generation of now does not have to live them. But how many
[1:33] years ago, twenty years, twenty years ago, the situation was not so.
[1:40] You met a good person. You were queen of beauty, you had
[1:48] your modeling agency, you came from a family where there has been no abuse,
[1:53] where there has been a lot of affection, where there have been no
[1:56] bad words, where it has been supported and even the moment you met that
[2:01] man, you had another partner, you want to continue there. Thank you
[2:08] very much. Thank you for inviting me again. They certainly gave a lot
[2:12] to tell and well, that' s why we' re here. One
[2:16] important thing I would like to comment on is the first interview, which was
[2:23] almost a year ago. I was in an extremely tense moment in my life.
[2:29] I felt like I was at the end of my way. It brought
[2:34] the strange feeling that I was about to die and I said I' m
[2:40] getting ready to do it. But before I go, I want to tell
[2:43] my testimony. So that' s what prompted me to look for, to
[2:50] look for a forum. I thank you so much for having received me and,
[2:53] well, I came without sleeping with much fear, with many questions.
[2:57] And well, let the testimony go, because when you have a life with
[3:04] a lot of history. It' s got to be good for something,
[3:07] it' s got to be good for other women. It has to be
[3:09] useful, because if not, that damage is wasted. And part of that
[3:15] many times they' ve asked is why you allowed, why you stayed.
[3:19] To begin with, I was twenty and he was thirty. Then the age
[3:23] difference was great. We are talking about practically the last century and the last
[3:28] millennium. We are talking about a thousand nine hundred and ninety- five and
[3:34] the question of violence of machismo was very, very deep- rooted and they
[3:39] were issues that were not touched, they were things that happened in the house
[3:44] and no one had to know. Yeah, plus, that situation, curiously,
[3:49] was talking to a lawyer. It' s changed a lot, because
[3:53] some of the comments people tell you are that I can' t believe you
[3:55] didn' t just let him see, but you went to live in Mexico
[4:00] City. Yeah, and it' s facing it and it' s leaving
[4:08] her life as you have it They tell me you lasted a long time,
[4:13] I lasted four years with him, and it makes me go away as fast
[4:14] as I could. So what do you say we start taking it back then?
[4:19] I mean, I have an image and please let people see the previous
[4:23] video. I always give an hour and a half of interview always and if
[4:29] circumstances don' t leave an hour and a half, I always have an
[4:32] hour and a half. I mean, yeah, there were some situations where
[4:35] it couldn' t have been that hour and a half, I have more
[4:38] time. Please see in the previous video, but there' s an image
[4:42] that you put to me that leaves me, that is, that I have
[4:45] it here, but that corrodes me that it' s the time when you
[4:48] take your hair, they put your fridge in your head so that I could
[4:56] see that there were germs and because I wasn' t doing my job well
[4:59] at the time. Then I moved my hair so much my head, i
[5:04] e I played with my head as if I were a pitbull with a doll.
[5:09] About two years ago I had a small accident, an incident because it
[5:15] was no accident car incident hurt my neck. I' m going with a
[5:19] neurosurgeon and he realizes that I have a lot of cervical damage and that I
[5:25] had to have surgery. So I' m having cervical surgery and then,
[5:30] well, I told him you know what I want you to give me a
[5:32] medical statement to get into the insurance, because the accident was an accident at
[5:40] work and he told me I can' t do that, because your problem
[5:43] is that you' re wearing a lot of old scars. I told him
[5:44] I don' t have old accidents. And then I asked the doctor what
[5:48] played with my head. This way he could have caused me those injuries and
[5:53] said yes, definitely. And the reality is that today I have sns screws
[5:59] in cervical, I have two bone grafts and I have a plaque. So,
[6:05] those are the facts and well, that' s what you have to
[6:10] live with, and you have to deal with that and work it out.
[6:14] I didn' t know I had all the damage I had until that incident
[6:17] made us realize. So, well, that comes from that image you'
[6:25] re commenting on earlier I' d like to set two precedents. His mom
[6:34] tells you something about him. Your mom calls me lying in bed not to
[6:40] let you tell me. Don' t let my son do to you what
[6:45] his father did to me. Those were the lady' s words a couple
[6:49] of weeks before she died, because you took care of her. I took
[6:53] care of her I learned to take care of her I was her nurse Well,
[7:00] I was with her helping her even with the urine tube I had to
[7:04] learn that with a nurse so I could help the lady through those last days
[7:09] of her life. In addition to that situation, there is another person who,
[7:13] when you get pregnant, tells you whether to congratulate you or give you
[7:17] the pe Know who she was. She was the lab owner, who was
[7:23] a very close friend of my sister- in- law. Then I go
[7:28] with her because of the closeness and that' s her answer. I don
[7:31] ' t know whether to congratulate you or to offer you condolences. I told
[7:33] him why. I mean, you' re giving me some very important news.
[7:38] Why do you tell me that? He tells me how this person is
[7:41] with you, that is, knowing beforehand how violent it was, how false
[7:47] it was, how hard it was, how hard it was, how difficult
[7:50] it was the relationship we were living. And that' s why he handles
[7:54] it that way. And I' m asking you what people were asking and
[8:01] why don' t you at that moment say I' m going sonle.
[8:05] It' s very difficult. First, there' s a lot of fear.
[8:11] They isolate you in a way that cuts off your wings like I told
[8:15] you I closed my modeling agency. I didn' t have a financial income.
[8:20] It was a time when divorce was unthinkable. It was the worst tragedy
[8:26] a family could have. Then in itself she had already been on TV,
[8:33] she had been a conductor of TV shows bassio and so, well, there
[8:39] were many taboos regarding beauty contests, as to making a walkway in swimsuit,
[8:41] there was a lot, a lot taboo and that was queen of beauty.
[8:46] Then you feel like you have no future. And you feel or well,
[8:54] you don' t really feel if it closes the world, you have to
[8:58] get ready, you have to do chas things and then you say how I
[9:03] ' m going to deal with a lone pregnancy, how I' m going
[9:05] to take my son, his father. I mean, there are so many
[9:09] questions that it' s not so easy how the relationship seems to be very
[9:15] easy and, perhaps, today may be easier than 20 years ago. But
[9:18] at that time, things were very different. He told you to close the
[9:24] agency or you closed it because he recommended it. He didn' t tell
[9:28] me to close it. He closed it. I didn' t want to
[9:33] close my agency. He talks to the person who rented me, pays the
[9:37] fines money and cancels the contract. Then I didn' t want to close
[9:45] it. It was besides that it was my illusion, I had my girls.
[9:48] I was telling my girls that besides being friends for these decades, there
[9:54] are so many who are still my great friends and I love them so much
[10:01] super valuable women and they were my girls and we had work and we worked
[10:03] together. We were a great team and all of a sudden, because he
[10:09] cut off my living rooms and locked me up. So that and that is
[10:13] something that happens a lot. No friend told you but what you did.
[10:18] Well, yeah, they were telling me why you married him or why,
[10:22] why. Right, without that I was going to live you. It'
[10:26] s just that I said I didn' t close it. I didn'
[10:30] t close it, but you' re a person or well, I was
[10:37] a much more submissive person, obviously, and I definitely paid dearly. I
[10:45] did not pay the very expensive price for having run out of your independence,
[10:50] with an economic independence, that this is something we can learn from your experience,
[10:58] keep it there with nothing a light and you already have a source of
[11:01] resources and look. For example, a couple of things happened that I'
[11:05] m going to tell you. When I win our beauty. The ones that
[11:09] were my company, my group of friends, from my classroom prep, they
[11:15] stopped talking to me about the one that was my psychology teacher. He grabbed
[11:20] a war against me, he failed me tremendously, he wouldn' t let
[11:24] me check out until they finished. Getting me out of high school where there
[11:28] was a super- loving uncle of mine. I see it and it happens
[11:33] to me like this, I won the contest and it tells me to take
[11:39] off that makes prostitutes. That context is very important. Why. Because he
[11:43] was telling me that see see your friends stopped you talking about what happened with
[11:48] the teacher. I mean, people are closing your doors, people are already
[11:52] calling you the whore you are and the fool who married you. It was
[11:56] me then, as there were many factors that did, it had cost me
[12:01] a lot of work. You' re starting to believe it. It completely
[12:03] distorted reality. Totally ok Then we' re going to that situation where and
[12:09] please let people see the previous video, because we' re going to skip
[12:11] aspects, we' re going to go deeper into another one and, above
[12:15] all, we' re going to get more learning in everything, of course,
[12:20] all for women who are in that situation. There came a time when
[12:22] you get out with your son out of the house and you' re going
[12:30] to live at the house of a relative of yours no yes and look.
[12:33] Before I left, we had a family reunion at my big parents' house.
[12:41] It was an important meeting. There was an event and a friend of
[12:46] mine news commentator from Televisa bassío because I was three years in Televisa Bajío came
[12:50] to León and he tells me I am here, let' s eat and
[12:54] I told him you know that I have a family reunion twenty then we were
[13:00] at a very big table and my friend Marta Lara throwing me flowers, says
[13:03] ay is that the people of Guanajuato ask me that since you are that how
[13:07] nice to meet you, et cetera. It was a time when Leon,
[13:09] being a small town, asked me for an autograph. Suddenly, the first
[13:11] time a little girl asked me for an autograph. This one tells me you
[13:16] can give me autograph and I fly uncle tell him why. And please tell
[13:20] me. Oh it gave me so much tenderness that I would say why I
[13:24] would want an autograph of mine not, and well, then she in front
[13:30] of my family, she starts to say that I tell them that the best
[13:33] thing about eva is that it' s prettier inside than outside. And we
[13:37] were on it. When this man says, then tell all that fucking ball
[13:41] that I' m evacuated, he washes me, he irons me, and
[13:45] he does whatever I want, then everyone' s face just happened to my
[13:50] grandfather, my big dad, well, he' s attacked my dad with
[13:56] this, so, so, what' s going on. And the other
[13:58] one' s a joke is they can' t take anything. But that
[14:01] ' s how you get out. Hurt and come out, Huren and come
[14:07] out so they bite you. No. And another thing, my first married
[14:09] birthday. There' s a chain of fast food burgers I don' t
[14:16] like. Then it' s my first married birthday and she tells me I
[14:22] don' t have time, but if you want, I' ll take
[14:24] you for a box of burgers to such a place and I' ll do
[14:28] your birthday, yes, of course I don' t like it like why
[14:31] I said no. In that case we go to the other, we go
[14:33] to such a place, that is, if there is not much money to
[14:37] spend I can understand and adapt myself to the heels of the corner, but
[14:39] to those I like and I told him then no, I don' t
[14:43] want to go to that place. I don' t totally like it.
[14:46] He tells me then I can' t take you anywhere. The following weekend
[14:50] there is a meal at his family' s house, a meeting at his
[14:52] family' s house, then he comes and says how they see the little
[14:58] queen I wanted to invite her to eat, eat in the street to celebrate
[15:01] her birthday and he didn' t want to stay alone in the house.
[15:05] So, those ways of distorting reality. The truth is, they' re
[15:11] getting you down and they' re damaging the image you have and you'
[15:18] re really starting to think I' m not putting my bows on. I
[15:20] should have gone to the restaurant that I don' t like I did wrong
[15:24] in not accepting, I mean, the boundaries you had here. You started
[15:28] to reduce, reduce, say, reduce them in our apartment there was no
[15:33] door in the only bathroom he had came to furniture, we had no dining
[15:39] room and there was no phone why. Because he was telling me that the
[15:43] only thing I wanted to have a dining room for was to be inviting people
[15:48] to get into my life and think about my life. And if there was
[15:52] no door in the bathroom and it' s gonna be more awkward than I
[15:56] had visitors to the phone, there' s not gonna be because I don
[16:00] ' t know who else I' m talking to. I had the viper
[16:02] that was getting text messages and nothing more. Then he' s cutting you,
[16:07] cutting you, cutting you. Once my sister,Ángeles, had a
[16:11] health problem, needed a blood transfusion and was in the hospital with anemia.
[16:17] So I said," Right now, I' m coming to see my
[16:19] sister and she told me about this house you' re not going out You
[16:23] ' re a doctor or what' s wrong with you, or what you
[16:26] think your presence is for" It' s no use, you' re
[16:26] no use, as long as you' re totally feeling her. What you
[16:30] need a doctor. Not that you' re getting in the way and I
[16:33] ' m telling her I want to go with my sister. I need to
[16:36] be with my sister and she wouldn' t let me out of my house.
[16:40] Then it' s hard enough. Why don' t you go,
[16:44] because you' re, you' re locked up, you' re in
[16:48] one there, like I said, you' re walking in a minefield and
[16:55] whatever you do, you take a risk, another risk. Not sure,
[16:56] or you feel that even if there is no risk, you already feel like
[17:00] risk and you don' t move. I aim says good how it doesn
[17:00] ' t move. That in psychology is defenselessness learned and it' s something
[17:08] that happens to the vast majority of survivors of family violence. Then there came
[17:17] a time when you left the house, that was an extraordinary value. He
[17:22] got me out of the house. And, well, first, we tried
[17:26] to ask the diff for help from legally advising me, from asking my neighbors
[17:30] to be witnesses. And no one wanted to. No one wanted to testify
[17:33] against him, because he was talking to each one of them to say don
[17:37] ' t mess with those neighbors yet Of course you' ve forgiven everyone.
[17:42] I' ve forgiven him. Then I' ve forgiven them all, no
[17:49] doubt, but no one wanted to testify. So I talked to lawyers and
[17:56] all the people in the diff basically because I, without help, couldn'
[17:59] t count so much a lawyer. And when I went with one, he
[18:03] said well, the longest trial I' ve ever had is four years,
[18:04] but there were a lot of properties in the way that you' re fighting.
[18:08] I told him nothing. I don' t want property, I don
[18:11] ' t want anything. I want my freedom and this good, the fees
[18:15] and everything I couldn' t afford. And all in all, then,
[18:19] one of the advisors I had told me in the middle and notice that after
[18:26] the first video wrote me that person who attended me. He told me I
[18:32] was the one who told you that, I was the one who took care
[18:33] of you. Then it was very nice, because it is validating and it
[18:38] is to go having and accepted that there was, so it had been wrong.
[18:45] It wasn' t a mistake. I believe if I had stayed there,
[18:49] my son would have been taken away and possibly taken from me, because
[18:52] I was going to fight tooth and nail. I started to identify with polar
[18:59] bears a lot, because I said how mom can be very protective, very
[19:03] scorching, but if you want to take my son away from me, I
[19:07] can' t become a beast, that is, I' m going to
[19:11] fight, even if it costs my life, not then. That' s
[19:15] why I started out there later to have or those polars in life, because
[19:19] I identified a lot with that duality of being a protective, tender loving mother,
[19:26] but you don' t want to take my son away from me.
[19:27] You want to take it away from me, you go and live it with
[19:33] him, and then you end up having to go to Mexico City. What
[19:36] gave it away. What detonated him was that he had no witnesses, he
[19:42] had no way of settling a trial, he had no tools. I didn
[19:52] ' t have any tools. I knew he didn' t want me.
[19:53] I knew he didn' t want the son. I knew what he wanted
[19:56] was to win and have control. So what we did was we put dirt
[20:03] in the way and I feel like it was a hit. It cost me
[20:07] a lot to pay bills, that is, to put land in the way.
[20:11] In the end it was to make the problem bigger. It wouldn'
[20:14] t have been as big, but different. And what I could take care
[20:18] of I could take care of my son' s stability, my son'
[20:23] s innocence, my son' s peace, that that wasn' t at
[20:29] stake, so I don' t regret it, it happens. It wasn
[20:30] ' t a mistake to put dirt in my story, in my case,
[20:33] not after you left your house. I don' t think since one wasn
[20:38] ' t no. And then why do you go to Mexico City, because,
[20:42] being in León, I was much more at risk, because apart from
[20:48] him I disappeared to my son, that is, he kept it on weekends,
[20:51] but he arrived Monday Tuesday Wednesday and did not appear. Then once he
[20:55] was in a bank with my son on a Tuesday and he talks on the
[21:00] phone. There was an aunt of mine in the back and she tells her
[21:06] on the phone says Eva, you can' t be drunk. On Tuesday
[21:07] at 10: 00 in the morning and on a fake call, then my
[21:11] aunt says I know her and I know she' s not drunk, I
[21:15] know she' s looking for her son. Then he started because he accused
[21:18] me of madness, of alcoholism, of drugs, of promiscuity, of chronic
[21:23] incurable disease, which is the problem I have in the thyroid that, well,
[21:27] there were many different diagnoses, the little boat that I told you last
[21:33] time, something, something happened. It is, then, there. It
[21:38] ' s very clear. The images speak for themselves. It' s very,
[21:42] very interesting, very strong. The truth is what images exactly I was
[21:47] like when I was married, when I was with him, and when he
[21:52] came out, when he met me and I got married, I was full
[21:56] of life, I was strong, my eyes were shining. He was fine.
[22:02] The images I have when I' m with him and mau is very
[22:04] small. I' m skeletal, I' m with my eyes skipped my
[22:12] neck I' ve got it totally sucked. I' ve got tachycardia,
[22:17] my hands are shaking, I mean, physically you see it, and it
[22:23] ' s obvious what happened. Clearly something was going on and it couldn'
[22:26] t have been anxiety. I think it was a lot for it to be
[22:32] anxiety, because when I left, when I came to Mexico and started to
[22:37] recover, I recovered very quickly and the anxiety was greater. The anxiety was
[22:41] greater because I had already been put in jail. And because it' s
[22:45] not just that it was ay, it' s that one day he was
[22:48] in jail. It was eight years of getting rid of coming back. I
[22:52] arrived on February 11th in Mexico City and I am arrested on May 24th.
[22:56] We arrived here, in Mexico, we reached a quarter, a quarter of
[23:02] seven square meters, and I arrived with eight hundred pesos and a two-
[23:07] year- old baby. Then I started looking for work, I started looking
[23:11] for day care where I could be from seven in the morning to seven in
[23:15] the evening, that I had his three meals that would take care of him
[23:22] in whatever I tried, that I was trying to fix my life a little
[23:26] bit and what we were going to do. The eight hundred pesos were finished
[23:30] extremely quickly. Then I had a little corral and one day it got bad
[23:38] for me. He started to turn up his temperature. I didn' t
[23:42] have a thermometer to see the temperature, but it was really bad and I
[23:45] didn' t have any money. Things from days two I had I was
[23:49] mom at twenty- three the maut I had twenty- five mau had two.
[23:55] Then he left Mao in the pen, so I left him alone and
[24:00] ran to a pharmacy on the corner. Then I brought 18 pesos and I
[24:07] come to the pharmacy and I tell him to sell me something for the temperature,
[24:12] a two- year- old baby and he tells me to take out
[24:18] the medicine and he tells me it' s twenty- four pesos for saying
[24:19] something no and I tell him it' s not enough for me. Please
[24:21] sell me loose and tell me I can' t sell them. I am,
[24:23] please, my despair please sell me loose. Leave my baby warm,
[24:27] and I' ll be on the lookout. There was a gentleman next to
[24:32] me and I said I' ll pay for it. I remember holding the
[24:34] hand of Mr I kissed her hand and I told him God will pay you
[24:40] and you don' t know how I prayed for that, sir, how
[24:44] I asked life to reward her, because people like that I met many times.
[24:48] Suddenly and well, thank God, he recovered and that medicine was a
[24:55] wonder. Not sure. The temperature of babies is very dangerous, very dangerous.
[25:00] I remember getting into the cold water with him. It didn' t
[25:03] work, it didn' t work. I went for the medicine so draining
[25:07] soaked that it says, I need to fix it and I bring less than
[25:11] twenty pesos. Mau stayed at the nursery and I, suddenly there was a
[25:17] chain of places that used to be like what most knew where I was going
[25:21] to have coffee. The coffee cost thirteen pesos and you could stay all day
[25:26] with a glass of coffee. Then there were days when I didn' t
[25:32] have the money to eat, like this, to pay for the food,
[25:34] because I wasn' t working. My dad sent me what I could when
[25:37] I could my sisters, my brothers, my big dad, but there were
[25:42] days I had to pay the lawyer and it was, I don' t
[25:45] know, four thousand pesos for the lawyer to see the difference in money.
[25:49] No, all of a sudden we had to put together four thousand pesos for
[25:52] the lawyer and it was to pay him that money and I needed twenty pesos
[25:56] for a coffee and a bread and I didn' t have them because we
[25:57] were getting together. Then, in the restaurant there was a waitress who kind
[26:03] of knew my story a little bit and suddenly came and told me you were
[26:07] going to order something and I would say no I didn' t just hear
[26:11] coffee and I would come and suddenly I would take a little charolita with a
[26:18] bun and at the time it would turn around and bring me butter and jam
[26:22] on a plate and if it was later, I would take totopos and salsa
[26:26] and I could be there. What mau was on was two blocks from Kinder,
[26:27] what I was working on, my trial, underlining what they were accusing
[26:33] me of. I bought the Criminal Code, the Code of Criminal Procedure,
[26:37] the Civil Code, the Code of Civil Procedure, to try to understand a
[26:42] little bit what was happening to me. I' ve always said that to
[26:47] fight they take care of two. And there I realized that in legal matters,
[26:52] with one that starts you better lose your fear, get ready, put
[26:59] your gloves on and get in the ring because if you' re already into
[27:03] that, you need to defend yourself, advise yourself, defend yourself, right
[27:07] now. I see on social media is wonderful. Suddenly, someone says I
[27:12] ' m coming from such a city I' m alone with my children.
[27:15] I need help, there' s a support network so big and so valuable
[27:21] that it doesn' t exist before. Before. No, because once you
[27:22] were, I found, you found a job and suddenly it gets to the
[27:27] police. Your job really and there they stop me and take me to Leon
[27:32] and how they find out you' re there. I don' t know
[27:37] how he followed me. I don' t know how he found out the
[27:41] truth. I don' t know what happened. I don' t know
[27:45] how they saw the work I was doing. Anyway, because that to me,
[27:48] who of all those people knew you were there and told him. I
[27:53] think someone told him. I think someone told him then you and you already
[28:00] got a job there, yes, in Mexico City and at the same time
[28:03] you already had your child from a nursery. You were, like, really
[28:08] hard to get through and suddenly they get to your job. They come to
[28:12] my work at lunchtime and that' s when they stop me. They'
[28:15] re coming to stop you You call someone to stay with your son. Look.
[28:22] I told my boss I was next to me, to tell my deskmate
[28:26] that it was when I was doing the interviews to write my book. I
[28:33] ' m told by two sisters from my mom. They knew my son was
[28:37] in a nursery in the Valley Colony. One goes to one street, another
[28:41] goes to another street and starts knocking on doors in all day care centers.
[28:45] And that' s how they get to one and say yes here it is
[28:49] but who you are. I can' t give it to you, because
[28:52] what they told me was not to hand it over, that my partner told
[28:56] him," Tell them not to hand it over until I get back or
[28:59] until I talk to him" Then my aunts, my mother Adailicha' s
[29:02] brothers, come and tell them I can' t give it to you,
[29:06] but I do. I ok, but he told them in a way to
[29:10] protect your son, to protect Mau. So now he' s taking you
[29:14] to the police, and here' s a trip up to Leon where a
[29:22] number of things happen that show us the darkest and most beautiful of human nature.
[29:29] How they stop me. I' m going to look like stoppages in
[29:30] Mexico City, as the lawsuit was put in a Guanajuato. They moved me
[29:33] to Leon, Guanajuato and along the way we were so slow that I swore
[29:38] aside, they had taught me in the arms this and then, if I
[29:44] have to use it, I will use it in Mexico. I' d
[29:45] done all the tests on you, they stripped you. What exactly happened.
[29:51] Imagine for a mom who' s protecting her son, getting her out of
[29:55] her job, and when she' s naked in one, you don'
[30:00] t even separate them from the delegation. Benito Juárez, no doubt how you
[30:06] were. You were terrified. I was terrified because aside I thought that by
[30:11] the time they had me they already had my son with them and that I
[30:14] had already lost him. So, well, with a lot of fear,
[30:19] fear of losing my son, I' m gonna lose my life and it
[30:22] ' s really hard because you say what' s going to happen to my
[30:26] son. She' s two years old. What a story he' s
[30:30] gonna have, what a life he' s gonna have, what they'
[30:32] re gonna tell him about me. You' re not gonna see how much
[30:33] I tame her? You' re not gonna see how much I fought for
[30:33] him. You' re not going to see, they' re taking you
[30:40] in a squeal, the police and you notice that it' s taking a
[30:41] long time on that road. It took them a long time when we got
[30:45] to the dividers, from there to see the whole story. I' d
[30:48] be a father to see at least the bit of the previous story, because
[30:55] there' s a lot to tell and I' m running out of time.
[30:59] The judge he was handling. He comes up with me and he tells
[31:03] me that if we had arrived earlier, I would have spent the night in
[31:07] jail and not in it for that. There was a person there who took
[31:11] a very long time to arrive at that time with the aim that you will
[31:18] not sleep in the carnel. Yeah, I mean, we' re talking
[31:23] inside of this. There are people with a terrible darkness, but also with
[31:26] an extraordinary clear angel, because he did so with affection, with much affection.
[31:32] Besides, he told me because I went crying, crying, crying and
[31:37] he said no more, you cry and eat potatoes, because I had bought
[31:41] a burger soda and dads, not at least the one I did like no,
[31:45] but he said, please, no more, you cry. And so,
[31:51] coming out of Mexico City crying going towards León, crying, crying super
[31:55] slow, you spent your life true or in use as if it were a
[32:00] movie and saying well. And that' s where you get to where you
[32:07] ' re good. I get to the dividers. First, then, being
[32:09] that, the separators is like when you' re in detention, you first
[32:15] come to an office to do the paperwork and already, as in my case,
[32:20] there was already an arrest warrant that I later cost myself, which I
[32:24] learned cost 50, 000 pesos my arrest warrant, as I was arrested.
[32:30] Then they can stop you and you can stay or you can get out.
[32:36] And well, in my case, they put me in the flesh. Then
[32:38] from there, they put you in the cherry tree, and there' s
[32:43] a situation where you want to be with people in your family. There'
[32:46] s my big dad, my aunt, my brothers, my sister, the
[32:52] family, not friends, of course, yes, all the people who loved
[32:58] me and who love me, who are part of me and were with me.
[33:01] They' re gonna search you and take some pictures of you. What
[33:04] about those pictures? With the first photos of the separators. And this is
[33:09] interesting because they take a picture of me and the kid who takes my picture,
[33:15] well, the cop who takes my picture opens the camera and the pictures
[33:20] are watched. After the interview. My son tells me, Mom, I
[33:24] didn' t understand the fact that the pictures were veiled. What is that,
[33:28] and I tell him is that before, when the pictures were roll,
[33:31] if you opened up and the film received light it was shattered, then notice
[33:37] as for the new generations, an veiled photo. I don' t understand.
[33:39] I don' t understand, and he said such a pretty face,
[33:43] that such a pretty face can' t be here yet you came in as
[33:50] it was like that. I mean, because I say wow, I mean,
[33:54] after I did the interview, I was really shocked. No, I
[34:04] mean, one day you' re at work in Mexico City, picking up
[34:09] your baby to bathe him, and the next day you' re going into
[34:15] a prison that was also men' s, because the prison is mixed.
[34:19] So I didn' t see a single woman inside, or I saw pure
[34:22] men, or I kissed your family, and they put you in jail,
[34:27] or I see my family in the separators. One night before, my big
[34:31] dad wears a hold- up for all the courthouses in order to stay longer,
[34:37] longer and longer. If you can' t see me, I don
[34:39] ' t care, but I' m out here. Fans took me clothes.
[34:47] One thing that struck me a lot is that the pants took away a
[34:51] card that they were afraid in the middle of so that I wouldn' t
[34:54] hang up, that is, the degree of situations that live in there when
[35:01] I' m in detention, I' m starting to get to what the
[35:05] criminal courts are. There I run into him head- on and, obviously,
[35:10] I run into him without knowing any laws at all. I found out
[35:15] at the time that my son' s custody had been taken from me out
[35:19] of madness. So, since I get out and my family did, you
[35:27] say it gets out. You come in when you do that, how many
[35:30] days you had a day, just one day, yeah, just one day
[35:34] I was how you got out. Two people form in a bank, that
[35:38] is, my brother and a friend or my brother. I don' t
[35:43] know, I don' t know how couples made, but some were in
[35:47] a bank, others were formed in the cherry tree, others were driving.
[35:51] My sister was going from one side to the other. My big dad ran
[35:52] everything because if they didn' t make it before a certain hour, I
[35:58] had 48 hours left because it was weekend. What he wanted to happen.
[36:02] And they consider bail to be successful. Yeah, they do. Then I
[36:09] go out and when I go out, I find out I don' t
[36:12] have one. Or, well, I already knew that I didn' t
[36:14] have custody of my son and what I' m told is that I have
[36:17] to hand him over, that custody is given by my father' s paternal
[36:24] grandfather to my son legally given to him. Why don' t I know
[36:27] and why they give it to the paternal grandfather to kill him sorry, because
[36:31] those who gave the money were that' s how they work. Well,
[36:37] then, good. Definitely, I' m starting to face a reality that
[36:43] I don' t know, that I' m not ready to answer?
[36:46] How should I answer to defend myself legally. Then ignorance in the matter puts
[36:53] you in a lot of trouble why what things now you know they saw you.
[37:00] It' s helped me do things better. For example, when I
[37:04] see the lawsuit that they accuse me of madness, alcoholism, drugs, promiscuity,
[37:07] chronic disease, even city, yes, but that is your sex life,
[37:12] it is a crime, yes, exactly, if you have many relationships
[37:15] with woman, that is it was, it was a crime yes, of
[37:20] course, then they accuse me of promiscare, the incurable chronic disease, which
[37:22] was that of miteroids. And that' s what I did was answer.
[37:27] It' s not true, isn' t it? Isn' t that
[37:28] right? Isn' t that right? And what I should have done is
[37:30] counterclaim and say is not true. I got out for this. For this,
[37:36] this is why I present evidence. I present that I went to the
[37:38] DFA three months ago and they couldn' t help me. I submit information
[37:42] that I sought witnesses and did not want to help me. I present information
[37:45] about and document everything. Not right now, I have a box this size
[37:51] of papers. Papers, papers, papers. Many have been lost with time,
[37:53] but I thought if the e of tomorrow, my son wants to see
[37:59] history that does not see either my version or the version of the dad that
[38:04] reads the papers and it is and here they are. You don' t
[38:07] hear what you' re telling me then is that sometimes more than defending yourself
[38:12] is attacking, attacking because what happened. Two years of trial went by.
[38:15] I recover my son' s custody, but since he didn' t prove
[38:21] anything he' d sued me for. We' re still married so I
[38:30] never countered divorce. I just said it' s not true. And there,
[38:34] obviously, we wasted a lot of time. That' s what you
[38:38] should have done. If there' s a woman watching you right now,
[38:42] what would you tell her? I don' t know how the laws are
[38:47] right now, but they' ll definitely be advised. But you advised yourself,
[38:52] but the times were different. There was no support for women and look
[38:57] at you. I' m gonna say something, something that happened. When
[39:00] I left my house the next day I wanted to go back, they had
[39:05] already changed, I had already changed, Chapas, all my papers stayed inside,
[39:08] school papers, life papers, whatever it was, not my childhood photos,
[39:12] which is what hurt me most they stay in the house. Inside the
[39:19] papers that stay is the bill of my car that was in my name and
[39:22] he has it. I go on the street, get hit and put the
[39:31] car in the safe. My ex- husband arrives where the car was with
[39:38] the car bill in my name, with a marriage certificate and a copy of
[39:43] my ID. They pick up my car and steal it, falsify my signature
[39:50] and sell it. So, when I go to traffic to ask for a
[39:54] copy of the invoice and I see the signature and I say this signature is
[39:58] not mine. It cost us a penny to pay for graphoscopic experts who did
[40:06] my firm' s analysis, to do the signature analysis that had the invoice
[40:10] endorsed to say that signature is not mine. And my car was sold to
[40:15] me in a criminal way and something that' s amazing. After a trial.
[40:22] I don' t know, it would have taken us possibly eight months
[40:25] at the trial of the car with evidence and we had to pay certified copies,
[40:30] we had to pay the experts, we had to do a thousand things
[40:35] and show here is one here. Something' s wrong. The signature'
[40:37] s not hers. This is wrong. Done, I mean, there'
[40:40] s a crime here, but I say I sold it my ex- Madrid
[40:45] or at that time it was my husband still and the court' s answer
[40:50] is between spouses. No robbery, then, no crime to pursue. So,
[40:57] then, I say you see how much that' s not advanced and
[41:00] how these stories help make today' s girls safer. He regained custody of
[41:09] the homeland by potestando I never lost it and regained custody because I proved that
[41:15] I was capable as a mother and because he didn' t prove absolutely anything
[41:22] that he had accused me of then, as he accused me of madness and
[41:28] alcoholism, and that made me countless psychological, psychiatric blood tests and it was
[41:35] you have to be in court because an expert is coming, etcetera. No,
[41:37] and within the results, they say I don' t have any crazy
[41:45] problems, but I have a certain degree of paranoia. And I said I
[41:47] ' m not paranoid. I' m being followed in one of the reunions
[41:54] we had. He told me, I told him you were following me for
[41:58] three months, right, and he said no. I wasn' t following
[42:02] six, and your mail was monitored for, like, a year. Yeah,
[42:06] that' s right. It' s not true about the mail.
[42:07] I can' t know. This one had my password. I don'
[42:10] t know the truth, but I knew they were following me and, besides,
[42:15] because there was a great risk that I would be put back in jail,
[42:19] because every time I left the state, a recapture order could be issued.
[42:23] And there, you don' t find out because you' re bailing
[42:28] out and you can' t leave the state or the city or the place
[42:31] where you' re doing the trial. And you went out to see my
[42:34] son, I mean, that part is very important. That' s why
[42:37] it' s important that it' s seen in the first part of this
[42:40] interview, that is, you come out of the terrezo and at that time
[42:46] your partner doesn' t have your son. I don' t have it.
[42:47] I had it I was always with me and when you came, when
[42:54] you came to leon, if you left it to someone, or what it
[42:58] was like when Leon came to live. He always stayed with people of my
[43:01] confidence and because I had to be going, at least once a week,
[43:07] claiming that I was there, that is, that you don' t disappear
[43:12] while he is, because after the arrest warrant, when I' m there,
[43:19] they give me a formal prison car, so I' m arrested and
[43:24] I' m going, I' m free, but with a formal prison
[43:29] car, I mean, I' m not free. There' s a
[43:31] trial that' s working and I' ve got no way to go,
[43:35] I can' t get out. Then it was very easy for them to
[43:38] stop me at any moment. So, I mean, you had to go
[43:43] out in different places, I mean, you' re so scared every week
[43:47] of this, at least once a week or two, with the risk that
[43:53] I had my two wigs on you. He had a colored wig, it
[44:00] ' s Roger Rabbit' s, so red red, he had another one
[44:06] as wine. And so, I was changing and I got so much wigs
[44:08] because once I was in Mexico City, in insurgent galleries, I was with
[44:15] my aunts and suddenly, one tells me there comes such a person, i
[44:23] e my ex was looking for you, I was following, I had the
[44:29] steps, i e I had it very close and he came with one of
[44:32] his brothers. I, from the back, saw a mane that wasn'
[44:37] t mine. So my hair was like very dams, that is, it
[44:42] ' s usually Chinese, and many times you recognize people from behind because of
[44:45] their hair. Not then that day he was wearing a red wig and they
[44:52] tell me right there, so the shock of saying lion what he' s
[44:57] doing in Mexico and what he' s doing here. We were in a
[44:59] coffee shop that is next to a very big window on this side there was
[45:02] a bank and they get into the bank, but when they turn around,
[45:06] I' m going to hide one among the cakes, I mean, I
[45:09] ' m going and I' m just like that with the girls let me
[45:14] in, I get in and I get behind the cakes to see, that
[45:19] is, to protect myself, not to hide and they were stepping on my
[45:20] feet. So, I wasn' t paranoid, I was really doing how
[45:24] long you were like that in that state, six months with the open trial
[45:30] until I got a loose car. That lasted six months, but at the
[45:35] risk of being detained again for eight years, i e, and besides,
[45:40] he always told me that I was going to be locked up in jail or
[45:45] in a madhouse. Not then, because I wasn' t paranoid, my
[45:50] brain was trying to react to the reality I was living and you saw your
[45:55] son only once a week. Ah I saw it all week except when I
[46:00] had to go sign and return it. Oh, you signed there, you
[46:04] signed and you knew the opposite, and you never heard of it being handled.
[46:07] I don' t know if they found out, because of course,
[46:13] if you were all week and you went and every time I went to a
[46:17] jewelry store, to a bank, anywhere that had security cameras. They'
[46:22] re very common right now. Twenty- five years ago they weren' t,
[46:23] I mean, twenty- three years ago they weren' t that common.
[46:25] So I was going anywhere that had cameras. In case they said you
[46:31] weren' t here, I was, I was. I went to the
[46:37] jewelry store to see, because there must be a video there not then trying
[46:42] to learn to document. In one of those, my mom left when there
[46:47] were intense weeks of court. I was in a lion because my parents were
[46:53] returning from the United States and my mom was going with a magician to uncles
[46:59] ' house, that is, from somewhere to michoacán to wherever it was.
[47:01] I didn' t walk around on vacation for mau and this one was me
[47:08] at three o' clock in the morning with my papers and he walks my
[47:13] dad out of his room and he tells me either you go to law school
[47:17] or you close those papers for me. I can' t stand pouring because
[47:22] I was trying to defend myself, because I couldn' t afford a lawyer,
[47:30] because I didn' t know if the lawyer could sell or didn'
[47:32] t know. That is because they tell you according to article two or three
[47:37] seven criminal and whatever and I said what we' re talking about, then
[47:40] it was to take out my notebook, take out my code and start stressing,
[47:45] to understand. And well, I didn' t study straight, but
[47:50] at home I learned from ences clearly understand, you could stay six days in
[47:55] Mexico while you re- signed, signed, that is, if he lets
[48:00] you, they let you out, but you had to film every week.
[48:01] They wouldn' t let me out. I got out hiding. If they
[48:05] ' d realized I was going out, they' d have stopped me.
[48:07] I mean. That' s a very important thing, because if they find
[48:12] me in Mexico, or they find me in another city of Guanajua or anywhere,
[48:17] they stop me until the trial is over, that if in this case
[48:22] it lasted six months, because if they have me inside the prison it would
[48:23] have lasted. I mean, this man wouldn' t have done as long
[48:25] as possible, and this was more than twenty years ago. Truth, I
[48:30] mean, it' s not retractive to be perfect. So, when the
[48:36] trial comes out, you' re already getting it, you' ve got
[48:39] your son and you' ve got to share it. No, because when
[48:45] he told me he wanted to see him, I said, OK, he
[48:47] ' s in Mexico City and he said I' m not paying for booths
[48:51] and gas to go see him there. You took it, you bring it.
[48:54] Then he never wanted to come to me. They told me you have
[49:00] to give in, I said ok, I give in if you want to
[49:04] see it here is there, never, never wanted to come. So,
[49:07] how long ago did you not see your son a year ago that you did
[49:13] not see him because he reappeared, that is, he has reappeared in different
[49:20] moments of life and history. A lot of things I' ve been asked
[49:23] about how I pulled it off, how I worked, how you read,
[49:27] how you did it. I don' t have a career. To date
[49:30] I don' t have a career and obviously, it' s something that
[49:35] ' s missing a lot. No, and when I asked for the job,
[49:37] I was asking for jobs. I was selling brownies, crepes, shoes,
[49:43] makeup, anything so I could get some money. Since the trial was
[49:47] there, I could not be discharged from any company that was outside the lion,
[49:52] because if not with that they documented that I was going out and they
[49:57] would stop me again then, already when I received my release car, because
[50:02] apart, then it becomes complicated because they tell you, because give me a
[50:07] criminal record and I had a criminal record for a while. Then they are
[50:14] obstacles and obstacles and obstacles, but good. Finally, one day he arrived
[50:21] at the Pantalon building I' m going to an interview. That' s
[50:24] Santa Fe, true Santa Fe, beautiful. And the 18th anal agency came
[50:29] to the episode and the person who interviews me tells me you know what a
[50:35] one is because I told him I came for such a job and tells me
[50:38] what studies they have. No, I' m in high school. No.
[50:40] And he tells me you know what a pediment is and I said no.
[50:44] But I learn. You know the import export code or I said no.
[50:52] But I learn, no, but I learn you' ve ever been
[50:54] in an aduna. No, but I learn I told him all the time,
[50:58] no, but he learns to laugh, he laughs, he gives him
[51:01] tenderness and he tells me that I need someone I leave a girl for inability
[51:06] to get pregnant. You see me in three weeks and I need to fill
[51:08] the post quickly and I told you to recommend some literature so that in the
[51:15] next interview you already know what a pediment is. He gives me some printed
[51:17] sheets and tells me what. Well, thank you, but no thanks.
[51:21] I told him to give me a job as a receptionist, as a telephone
[51:27] operator, as a quartermaster of what you have and he tells me no.
[51:29] Thank you. He' s leaving in two weeks. He talks to me
[51:32] on the phone and tells me eva come, what do you learn, after
[51:37] I told him no. But I learn, no, but I learn come,
[51:40] and here you learn. I thanked him all my life. I said
[51:45] maybe three years ago. He called me he had a terminal illness he called
[51:54] me to say goodbye and I thanked him very much because I told him Jorge
[52:00] Lagarde in peace, rest and I said that you opened a path that otherwise
[52:06] had closed because from that customs agency came other jobs and you know what I
[52:08] learned. So that opened doors to me when they said who wants to be
[52:15] an auditor. He made nine thousand interns. I don' t know,
[52:19] but you' re lazy, because you' ve got to be going.
[52:20] I' ll learn, I' ll go and I' ll come.
[52:22] And that helped me get to know the customs office of the airport, this
[52:27] land customs of Laredo, the maritime customs of Veracruz and Manzanillo Este and start
[52:32] soaking a little bit. Not there something interesting. That' s good.
[52:37] The truth is that if a word could define my life, it would be
[52:43] intensity, because there has been a lot of intensity for good and bad.
[52:47] I' m at the customs agency and they said to me, because you
[52:52] have to look for customers and you have to look for customers that we import
[52:57] and export them to. Finally, on the thirty, thirty, thirty-
[53:00] one, thirty- three floor, I think, the whole top was an
[53:01] auto company, well, auto real estate food. They had forty- six
[53:08] customs agents and after that we stayed two with the business of that company and
[53:14] had been my client. My commissions were supposed to have been over 100,
[53:22] 000 pesos at that time and they ran me when they had to pay me
[53:31] so much. I told him not to pay me so much. I pulled
[53:35] out a leaf and told him I need to pay for a borderline. I
[53:37] need to pay for an apartment. I need this, this, this?
[53:39] Give me twenty- four and I' ll stay. Give me twenty-
[53:44] four and I' ll stay. With work. One of the two customs
[53:47] agents tells me that you have a defect and I told him what defect you
[53:53] are a woman, and I told him, because in the negotiations I don
[53:57] ' t see that it was a defect. So you tell me it'
[54:00] s not that a woman we can' t have in the automotive sector You
[54:08] leave the miselaneous ones and I say, but it' s that I earned
[54:10] the commissions. They finally run me from that job, the second truth about
[54:15] what they had used you for at first. That' s not what I
[54:19] mean That' s just a couple of months. Then they run me off
[54:22] that job. I' m going with the competition and there' s something
[54:27] that' s very important to discuss and know. I' m starting to
[54:30] knock on the doors of a self- service company, of a super-
[54:37] big, super- famous pelican, where I was after imports coming from Italy
[54:45] for this supermarket store and we have very advanced negotiations. Then one day the
[54:52] one who was my contact at that company speaks to me and Eva tells me
[54:57] I am with the logistics guy at such a restaurant here we expect you we
[55:01] are about to close it from Italy. I get to the restaurant. When
[55:04] he arrived, they' re both taken. Then the customer was aware,
[55:10] I represented the customs agency, and the other gentleman representing the logistics service,
[55:16] that is, the containers coming from Italy. Besides, then he tells me
[55:22] to look to make you frank. For me, this lord is God and
[55:28] whatever he asks me I have to get it and it turns out that he
[55:31] loves you so that you put on price take out money and tell me with
[55:37] this is enough legendo you' re wrong. We came to work and I
[55:40] don' t know what. Talk on the phone and tell him to book
[55:44] me a suite in the nico and send me his burbans to such a restaurant
[55:47] and I told him you' re wrong. That' s not going to
[55:51] happen, and he says I' m paying, that is, used people.
[55:53] I pay and I get what I want and he tells me if I
[55:57] ' m going to pay, let me try the merchandise. Try putting your
[56:00] hand through your blouse and I' ll push it. Like I was drunk.
[56:05] He fell on the floor. I' m leaving the restaurant. The
[56:07] next day I came to work, explained to my boss what had happened and
[56:12] said Mira, if you were my sister, I would be proud of you,
[56:17] but here we are talking about work. This account was invested with a
[56:22] lot of money and it was my last day' s work. Then they
[56:25] run me from work. We had already managed to pay for an apartment and
[56:34] stopped having money for rent and, for example, in the kindergarten that we
[56:39] changed since we had nothing, that is, to start from scratch is to
[56:43] start with nothing. The director of the kindergarten, from the second kindergarten in
[56:47] Twister satellite city, organized a nopenhouse with all the mothers of the kindergarten.
[56:54] I got glasses, towels, cutlery, sheets, look, it was me
[57:00] of women. Eva, how are you now? I don' t feel
[57:04] safe. After the first interview, he received threats. After the first interview,
[57:09] we went through strong things and damage in our lives. I don'
[57:17] t want to talk much about security, but we went to the city'
[57:24] s prosecutor' s office where I' m going to put documents that if
[57:30] anything happens to me, to my people, whatever it is and give this
[57:35] person' s information because, well, he definitely didn' t like the
[57:38] first interview. And so, then, and there was a testimony of yours
[57:45] for the lawyer marcela Torres, in case something happens, then the testimony will
[57:54] only appear and will be marcela Torres, yes, yes, something will happen.
[58:01] Let' s hope not, let' s hope he understands, let
[58:07] ' s hope he lives his life, let' s hope he lets others
[58:08] live. I mean, I don' t think he wants his picture to
[58:14] come out and let him know who it is. No, because a lot
[58:15] of people tell me why you don' t tell me who he is.
[58:16] And besides, it' s not about that. Nor is it a question
[58:20] of accusing what is going on here. Out there first that nothing identifies what
[58:25] ' s going on, why you' re going to remember. I don
[58:30] ' t know a detail like bacteria in medieval times, they didn' t
[58:37] know they were harmful, they didn' t know how it was treated,
[58:40] they didn' t know how to defend themselves. They didn' t know
[58:42] how to deal with him. The anti- Viatic appeared and what happened many
[58:46] dead because they didn' t know how to defend you. And in this
[58:50] case it' s the same if we' re talking about such abusive relationships
[58:55] and doing so much damage, because also definitely, information saves lives and is
[59:00] important. And one thing I want to mention is that psychopaths aren' t
[59:05] just men, they' re also women, and I' ve got the
[59:09] same testimonies from men who say that' s what happens to me and I
[59:10] don' t know what to do. I don' t know what to
[59:12] say. You know one thing, notice that I insist that men come to
[59:15] the program, please talk about their testimony. And the only men who have
[59:21] come are men. Sexual colonization towards other very brave homosexual men, but the
[59:29] entire man does not come dare us. It seems to be even more difficult
[59:35] for them and I invite them to that too is very important because they suffer
[59:39] a lot. I mean, they actually hurt them a lot. No,
[59:45] and here' s something, there' s more men, but you know
[59:50] why. Because it can also, because such well society still has a bias
[59:57] in favor of men, so economically it is better, they have more rights,
[1:00:02] so what do we have to learn? As women, this is very,
[1:00:06] very, very important. In economic independence, you, if you had
[1:00:09] had much more money, the thing would have been different, totally total.
[1:00:14] And that' s also what we need to learn. It' s not
[1:00:16] a matter of men, there are many bad men. The truth is that
[1:00:21] if there is a man who is bad with money, because no matter how
[1:00:24] good you are, you are very difficult to fight With that of course,
[1:00:28] then economic independence is vital. When someone tells us to stop working, you
[1:00:35] ' re going to be a retina, to see that you pay a price
[1:00:39] for everything. The price you pay for losing your economic independence is a person
[1:00:45] ' s control over your absolute life, ball point. So, for me,
[1:00:52] empowerment is very tied up with your financial freedom and your economic independence.
[1:00:59] But if, besides, that person is a psychopath, it' s very
[1:01:04] difficult to get out. He' s gonna suffocate you, it' s
[1:01:07] really hard to get out. And that' s the problem. The vast
[1:01:08] majority of men are good. This program is to make a situation visible and
[1:01:16] many women come to make this situation visible, but it does not represent men.
[1:01:22] Ok not representing presents that minority of men. Yes, because there are
[1:01:24] wonderful men, not most. Of course, men have never been as good
[1:01:29] parents as they are now, nor are they as good partners in reality.
[1:01:36] But, well, we also have to learn for love, not leave it
[1:01:42] all, especially leave our destiny in someone else' s hands and as moms
[1:01:47] educate gentlemen as well and you spoke like mom and you wrote to me and
[1:01:52] you told me that you wanted your son to come yes, this yes.
[1:01:58] We' ll talk about the division that he took, him or you him
[1:02:04] when he loses that job and they run us from the department we' re
[1:02:09] in, we arrived one day and all our stuff was on the street.
[1:02:13] Furniture beds, everything we had achieved in debt on the street. Then Mau
[1:02:20] was five years old, Mom, who does our stuff on the street.
[1:02:23] I mean, it was a shock, really horrible. It is one of
[1:02:29] the experiences that has cost me the most work because, besides, you have
[1:02:32] no money to solve it. I didn' t have money to pay for
[1:02:37] an apartment and a move. We were working everything out fast. There wasn
[1:02:40] ' t much to do I talked to my cousins, well to my aunt
[1:02:45] and she told me right now, they go for Mau because it was too
[1:02:51] strong the situation and for a five- year- old boy, he had
[1:02:55] a briefcase of strollers and passed one person and took it and he told me
[1:02:59] mom, why they take my things. Then they go through it. I
[1:03:04] tried to fix it that I made a couple of calls. My dad told
[1:03:07] me to come to Leon. I didn' t want to go back to
[1:03:12] Leon, because it was Lobo' s cave. It' s where my
[1:03:15] enemy was and Leon is a good one, it was a very small city
[1:03:20] and a ballad without knowing it was there. But since it was a situation
[1:03:23] I had to solve in a couple of hours, there wasn' t much
[1:03:28] choice and there wasn' t much budget. Then there' s a truck
[1:03:32] carrying oranges. I' ll make the stop. I' m telling you,
[1:03:38] you can take me to Leon. Yes, you can. We put
[1:03:44] things in the truck. What we had took me to Mau and in an
[1:03:52] old truck with oranges and sacks and we' re all on our way back,
[1:04:00] back to Leon, to the place I had said I didn' t
[1:04:03] want to live again because I ran out of options. Then they are very
[1:04:09] difficult situations and something very important is how there are triggers that can lead you
[1:04:18] to good or evil in your life, because if, perhaps, I had
[1:04:21] not arrived at the restaurant where these gentlemen were taken, it would not have
[1:04:27] happened anymore. Maybe I don' t know and it' s not that
[1:04:30] I' m a saint or not that I am, but I' m
[1:04:32] not going to do that either I mean, I' m not selling that
[1:04:35] I' m a perfect woman and a saint either. I' m not
[1:04:38] just telling you about the situations you' ve faced, which have led me
[1:04:40] to make decisions, because they' re very quick. My stuff' s
[1:04:45] on the street. I can' t stay there until dawn. I don
[1:04:47] ' t have to do anything and I have to react in the same way
[1:04:53] that there are good attitudes, like the man who bought me the medicine box.
[1:04:56] How, then, are hugs to the soul and are angels who are
[1:05:00] on our way. I, once very desperate of legal problems, remember bringing
[1:05:05] a trial of this size. No, and I came to the Basilica of
[1:05:14] Guadalupe and I put it in and I told him to take care of you
[1:05:17] and I can' t. And I started to cry and cry and I
[1:05:20] had a lot of time crying there and there comes a priest and he sits
[1:05:25] with me and he tells me you' re okay, you want to talk
[1:05:28] And I, because it happens to me and this and this and then he
[1:05:34] told me to ask yourself why, what you' re living this for,
[1:05:38] this is what it' s going to be for. Something good has to
[1:05:39] get out of here, believe me, something good has to come out.
[1:05:42] I say why, why this happens to me, why they' re after
[1:05:44] me because I don' t have money, why I can' t live
[1:05:46] a normal life, because I don' t live a normal life. I
[1:05:48] haven' t lived a normal life. And he told me to ask yourself
[1:05:51] why. And make your story work and that' s why I' m
[1:05:57] here. Then, as there were many times of economic deprivation, we learned
[1:06:08] to enjoy what was there, one way to the park, an ice cream,
[1:06:14] a nothing, and we learned to have a super cute communication. We
[1:06:18] ' re a team. We' re definitely a team of lawyers. One
[1:06:23] of the school psychologists gave me advice that I want to pass on to women
[1:06:29] and mothers. Your son told me he' s a little boy, not
[1:06:35] a fool to sit with him in a coffee without distractions, to tell you
[1:06:42] about his life, what' s wrong with him, what' s bothering
[1:06:45] him, what you' re feeling. And you' re gonna talk to
[1:06:45] him at his level. And he told me when I' m a teenager
[1:06:51] and they tell you a lot of things, you' re gonna remember this.
[1:06:54] I tried to locate that psychologist and I couldn' t. So,
[1:06:57] if you' re listening to me, I' d love to grade him
[1:07:00] and be in touch with him. I started having coffees with Maul then and
[1:07:04] more right now, if you go without a cell phone, you don'
[1:07:09] t have a cell phone, your son and you sit down for coffee and
[1:07:13] you start to see what he' s up against, because the kids are
[1:07:16] also dealing with tough things, the kids. Mau was two years old when
[1:07:19] I was leaving, when I started to go with him to the cafe,
[1:07:24] because apart from how we walked in many houses, we didn' t have
[1:07:28] a space that was our space. Then we were going to a coffee.
[1:07:30] He asked for a milkshake, I asked for a little head. And now
[1:07:33] yes, tell me. It' s not like my partner told me it
[1:07:39] made me older and I understood and I talked to him. I' m
[1:07:43] working with the good lawyer, the bad lawyer, and we' re trying
[1:07:46] to see him at work and we' re trying to see very much at
[1:07:50] his level and well and he does find that very soft, because now that
[1:07:57] Mau tells us eva curiel. Thank you. We got something left. There
[1:08:00] ' s a lot left. There' s a lot of stuff left.
[1:08:02] Because we' re going. We' ll go to Monterrey later. We
[1:08:08] ' re going to Monterrey and we' re there for six years. We
[1:08:14] ' re six years old. And so, well, it' s a
[1:08:18] fresh start. Again I am two years, I am two months of training
[1:08:24] on the border, in Nuevo Laredo and Laredo, crossing every day I leave
[1:08:29] to work with a new customs agency. I am two months on the border,
[1:08:33] crossing the border on foot between Laredo Nuevo Laredo, learning a lot of
[1:08:41] customs leave and finally I go to work with a company that sells turn mills
[1:08:47] and starts to make a career in industrial turnmills. Until my last job,
[1:08:50] I was at an American company in Detroit, where we sold turnmills for automotive
[1:08:57] companies. I learned a lot and so, well, that' s how
[1:09:02] I walked my professional career. Right now, I' m focused on painting
[1:09:08] and in Monterrey, well, things happened because there was how I went so
[1:09:14] often to the United States for work. I looked him up to ask for
[1:09:19] his passport, and there started to be contact with the son. Something happened
[1:09:27] after mau there was a next pregnancy. There was a pregnancy that I lost
[1:09:32] that baby when I was four months old. When I was graded, I
[1:09:36] asked you not to hurt him. When they give it to me, this
[1:09:45] one brought water. I told her I named him Benjamin, because he would
[1:09:49] always be my little son and they tell me that I can come back for
[1:09:57] him, for his body when this week four months and he was his dad.
[1:10:01] That was September and I left my married home in October. Then I
[1:10:09] didn' t come back for him and felt guilty for a long time.
[1:10:14] When I' m in Monterrey, I ask for your passport. He tells
[1:10:17] me he has Benjamin' s body I cried I thanked him for rescuing him
[1:10:27] and he told me I rescued a son. You help me rescue no.
[1:10:31] Then I helped him to have contact with Mau and he promised to give me
[1:10:39] what he wanted was to give him a Christian burial, not to be in
[1:10:42] a jar. I mean, it' s unacceptable. Then he started blackmailing
[1:10:48] me that if you don' t do this, I won' t hand
[1:10:53] it over to you. If this doesn' t happen, if Mauno doesn
[1:10:56] ' t come with me on vacation. You' re not gonna see him.
[1:10:59] Then it' s why you don' t get out, why don
[1:11:02] ' t you go, why don' t you do it, because they
[1:11:08] ' ve got you tied up and they' re absolutely using everything they'
[1:11:09] ve got against someone else. Then there was contact with him. He never
[1:11:14] gave it to me. Finally, after two years, he signed the passport.
[1:11:18] When I applied for a visa, he said no. The visa was
[1:11:21] never negotiated. But the visa for you, for Mau, for your mom
[1:11:26] and I, well, he didn' t give me the visa. He
[1:11:30] didn' t sign the visa. What do you want her for? You
[1:11:31] ' re starving. You can' t even get him out to a good
[1:11:35] restaurant for what you' re gonna do no. And the truth is,
[1:11:38] we never made it until Mau was older than I can get her documents out
[1:11:45] as an adult. But that part of the control they can get from your
[1:11:51] life for anything. They' re very difficult things to weigh because they have
[1:12:00] you, they' ve got you killed and, obviously, we' re
[1:12:05] getting the best we can. But the reality is it didn' t happen.
[1:12:09] Later, when he, since the trials, said he didn' t
[1:12:13] pay the costs of kindergarten, elementary school, etc, because he was paying
[1:12:18] a follow- up for the university. So I was saying, for college
[1:12:21] to arrive, there has to be a kindergarten and there has to be a
[1:12:24] primary school. And he said no, because I' m paying for that
[1:12:30] ubeka. When there' s that breakup, he says the eubeca forget about
[1:12:34] that money. It' s not worth investing in this kid. Why is
[1:12:39] he not talented, because all you want is to put him in a school
[1:12:43] for society, because he' s going to end up in drugs, because
[1:12:46] I' m not going to throw away my money to pay him a school,
[1:12:48] etcetera. No. He didn' t. He didn' t.
[1:12:53] Thank God. Besides, in all judgments, he says of the cegube every
[1:12:57] number of the eubek and speaks it. No. So something we were investigating
[1:13:01] because I wanted help paying for Mau' s studies and some lawyers told me
[1:13:09] yes, that' s fraud. I mean, it' s procedural traude,
[1:13:12] because he' s offering the judge something he doesn' t comply with.
[1:13:15] But he told me if you sue me, I' m gonna make
[1:13:19] the trial so long, so tired and so expensive that you' re gonna
[1:13:21] regret it. So, well, we didn' t. Eva. Thank
[1:13:29] you very much thanks to you and if you have to contact where to write.
[1:13:35] Well, we' re on social media. We' re gonna put
[1:13:38] it there We' re on Instagram. I' m as Evacurial Officer,
[1:13:44] Eva Curiel Officer. It has been an impact to see that more than five
[1:13:48] million people have given themselves the time to listen to my testimony. And this
[1:13:54] speaks of the great need to put these kinds of issues on the table.
[1:14:00] Evacuriel, thank you we have to give to you for your courage, because
[1:14:05] you wrote to me and because you alone. You took your bus to tell
[1:14:15] your testimony of overcoming. Thanks we have to give you those five almost six
[1:14:20] million people. Thank you, Evacuari Thank you. A lot. Frar You
[1:14:33] like this testimony. You think it can help someone share it with you.
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[1:14:50] that, before judging you, putting a label on a person, try to
[1:14:55] understand why faces we see suffering. We know.

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