# Life After Pro Football: Have You Considered Getting Into Crime?

An episode of [Ridiculous Crime](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1608230191), 3 Feb 2026, 55 min.

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After his playing days were done, former pro football player Devin Aguilar decided his next move at securing the bag could come from a robbery. He enlisted his girlfriend and together the two planned their "perfect robbery" for 6 months. However, based on the fact he's on this show, Devin Aguilar likely needed a lot more time than that. Come for the crime, but stay for Elizabeth and Zaron's theater play. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.
[0:03] Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutt. We meet again, so we do.
[0:08] Speaker 3: How are you doing.
[0:10] Speaker 2: I've got a question for you, and only you can
[0:12] Speaker 2: answer this question, right. You know, it's ridiculous.
[0:15] Speaker 3: I do what.
[0:17] Speaker 4: When I was in my twenties, I loved wearing super
[0:20] Speaker 4: platform high heels make me like nine feet tall, fabulous.
[0:26] Speaker 4: I can't do it anymore. I don't have the patience.
[0:29] Speaker 4: And also, it's just we used to call them ankle breakers. Yes, yes,
[0:35] Speaker 4: because like one false move, oh yeah, and that's it
[0:39] Speaker 4: misstep on the gutter toast. And I've had a step.
[0:42] Speaker 2: On the club.
[0:43] Speaker 3: You just roll your ankle.
[0:44] Speaker 4: I've had, you know, ankle injuries subsequent unrelated to platform
[0:49] Speaker 4: high heels. And I've now just thought, you know, it's
[0:52] Speaker 4: ridiculous high heels just in general, so I don't wear
[0:54] Speaker 4: them anyway. I saw another pair of ankle breakers.
[0:59] Speaker 3: Really yeah, everyone's been.
[1:00] Speaker 2: Telling memping you. You're like, well, maybe these could bring
[1:04] Speaker 2: me back in the game.
[1:05] Speaker 4: No. I was repulsed because sometimes I see them, I'm like, man,
[1:09] Speaker 4: I wish I were still sure twenty five, teetering around
[1:12] Speaker 4: and those acting a fool.
[1:13] Speaker 3: No, not anymore.
[1:15] Speaker 4: I saw these. A lot of people sent this to us.
[1:18] Speaker 4: I saw it before I started getting all the emails
[1:22] Speaker 4: forwarded to me and all the dms.
[1:25] Speaker 3: I saw it first.
[1:26] Speaker 2: So like bass Pro Shop now has a chunky heel that.
[1:30] Speaker 3: Would be amazing, is it?
[1:32] Speaker 4: No, do you have one hundred and fifty bucks on
[1:35] Speaker 4: me that you could like loan to someone who would
[1:37] Speaker 4: want these?
[1:38] Speaker 2: Yes, I can spot to you on these.
[1:40] Speaker 3: These are Lego crocs.
[1:43] Speaker 4: That's what I'm showing you right now that well, I
[1:45] Speaker 4: will have them put up on Instagram.
[1:47] Speaker 2: I actually know two people who would actually love those.
[1:50] Speaker 4: But these look like ankle breakers because they're so huge
[1:54] Speaker 4: on the foot.
[1:56] Speaker 2: How tall is that this lady wearing? Oh wow kind
[2:00] Speaker 2: of platform?
[2:00] Speaker 3: They're super broad.
[2:02] Speaker 4: But I just feel like there's this narrow footbed, like
[2:06] Speaker 4: a narrow little part where you sink your foot in
[2:08] Speaker 4: and it just looks like one false move, you know,
[2:12] Speaker 4: and then it's.
[2:12] Speaker 3: All lights out London.
[2:15] Speaker 4: The you know, they just look like two red Lego bricks.
[2:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, and you shove your foot in there and it has.
[2:21] Speaker 2: Little of bread. You know.
[2:22] Speaker 4: Something though, everything you've ever dreamed of building begins with
[2:26] Speaker 4: the Lego brick clog.
[2:27] Speaker 3: According to Lego run by me one moment, everything you've
[2:31] Speaker 3: ever dreamed of building?
[2:33] Speaker 2: Okay, I got that phrase, Everything I've ever dreamed of.
[2:35] Speaker 3: Building begins in the Lego Brick blog.
[2:39] Speaker 4: What introducing a new introducing a new and imaginative silhouette
[2:45] Speaker 4: constructed with the playfulness of crocs. Now, okay, that's that's
[2:48] Speaker 4: debatable and the boundless creativity of the Lego Brick. It's
[2:52] Speaker 4: fun footwear that inspires you to build, rebuild, and reinvent.
[2:56] Speaker 3: What makes you?
[2:57] Speaker 2: Wait? Do you build the shoe? Can you take apart
[2:59] Speaker 2: this shoe?
[2:59] Speaker 4: Is it a bunch of Because I thought, well, what
[3:01] Speaker 4: if you step your own platforms the holes in the bottom,
[3:09] Speaker 4: like it's just the little brick thing on the top?
[3:11] Speaker 4: I looked, trust me. Each oversized pair features four studs
[3:16] Speaker 4: stamped with the Lego logo, a pivotable heel strap for
[3:20] Speaker 4: a more secure fit, and a faux anti stud soul.
[3:24] Speaker 4: Accompanying this unique pair of collector clogs is a Lego
[3:27] Speaker 4: minifigure with four pairs of their.
[3:29] Speaker 3: Own Lego Brick clogs.
[3:31] Speaker 4: Think of them as your partner for anywhere your creativity
[3:35] Speaker 4: takes you. So you know we're telling the kids, go
[3:39] Speaker 4: ahead fall in love with a computer and then now
[3:43] Speaker 4: you're in love with a little Lego that dresses like you.
[3:47] Speaker 3: Is I just yeah, it's ridiculous, ridiculous.
[3:56] Speaker 4: Now if you go online, they're not available yet. They
[3:59] Speaker 4: come out like mid February, you know, drops coming. Luckily
[4:03] Speaker 4: they come into Men's thirteen. I can get terrifying those
[4:08] Speaker 4: things bearing down on you. You're like walking at night
[4:10] Speaker 4: and you're.
[4:11] Speaker 5: Flip some Frankenstein feet, just some big dude in a
[4:14] Speaker 5: pair of Lego crocs.
[4:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ridiculous here.
[4:18] Speaker 2: I couldn't even pronounce Frankenstein crarectly said Frankenstein fin Yeah.
[4:22] Speaker 4: I keep wanting to call them Lego clogs because I
[4:24] Speaker 4: don't want to admit the existence of crocs.
[4:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed that. I thought it was the whole
[4:30] Speaker 2: branding issue, like we couldn't get Crocs to totally sign on.
[4:33] Speaker 3: Oh no, they signed I know, I caught that bliss
[4:36] Speaker 3: going on.
[4:37] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[4:37] Speaker 2: No, it was like a hole.
[4:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a whole thing.
[4:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, thank you for that. It was ridiculous. You
[4:43] Speaker 2: know what else is work here has done what? Well?
[4:46] Speaker 2: Imagine that you work for years and years and years
[4:49] Speaker 2: for a chance to play in the NFL.
[4:52] Speaker 3: That's me.
[4:52] Speaker 2: But what if you do if you don't make it?
[4:54] Speaker 3: That's also me.
[4:55] Speaker 2: One option of course crime, Well not me. This is
[5:19] Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and rage azz capers,
[5:25] Speaker 2: hece and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free
[5:29] Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Elizabeth, it's super Bowl week.
[5:35] Speaker 2: You're excited it? Do you have money riding on the game? Yeah?
[5:38] Speaker 4: I put bets on everything, like someone named Davante is
[5:41] Speaker 4: going to hurt themselves.
[5:42] Speaker 3: I put fifty bucks on that.
[5:44] Speaker 2: Got you got prop bet on DeVante's.
[5:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, all the Davante's.
[5:48] Speaker 4: And then I also made a bet on someone kicking
[5:52] Speaker 4: the ball like really.
[5:54] Speaker 2: Far so, like a seventy yard field goal.
[5:57] Speaker 3: Like fifteen feet. That's a long.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Lady, pretty is your is your nephew doing these prop
[6:03] Speaker 2: bets with you?
[6:03] Speaker 3: With a guy down on the corner?
[6:05] Speaker 4: Okay, I go up to I ask him and he's like,
[6:07] Speaker 4: give me the money and I'll talk to you later.
[6:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, we made it. Bat It's good, perfect well to
[6:11] Speaker 2: celebrate the super Bowl in our ridiculous crime way. Today.
[6:14] Speaker 2: I have some NFL.
[6:15] Speaker 3: Lady, are you excited for the super Bowl?
[6:17] Speaker 2: I am who is in it. It is the Seattle
[6:20] Speaker 2: Seahawks and the New England Patriots.
[6:22] Speaker 3: Okay, the New England Patreon.
[6:26] Speaker 2: The Patriots.
[6:27] Speaker 3: So Seahawks Patriots is Ted Bundy. What's his name? Who's
[6:31] Speaker 3: still the quarterback? Ted Brady?
[6:34] Speaker 2: Tom Brady. No, now it's a new young kid named
[6:39] Speaker 2: Drake May who some people believe was cloned from Tom
[6:41] Speaker 2: Brady due to this. It's a whole story there. You
[6:44] Speaker 2: can look online. There actually are people who believe he
[6:46] Speaker 2: was cloned because of some blood that was donated by
[6:48] Speaker 2: Tom Brady at the time of his birth or right
[6:50] Speaker 2: around like ten months before.
[6:53] Speaker 3: This guy, say Drake, they should constantly So I like that.
[6:59] Speaker 3: I uncovered it consperience. Of course, you found me real
[7:01] Speaker 3: quick too, Ted Brady.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Now, these NFL related heists did not occur what they
[7:07] Speaker 2: were active players, but rather what they did after their
[7:10] Speaker 2: NFL careers. Oh okay, Elizabe. Before we get deep into
[7:13] Speaker 2: crime as a secondary career path after the NFL, first,
[7:16] Speaker 2: I want to tell you a little fun crime anecdote.
[7:19] Speaker 2: It's fun because it involves two things I love, the
[7:21] Speaker 2: pizza delivery business and Illinois state politics. So totally. As
[7:29] Speaker 2: you know, for a number of years I delivered pieces.
[7:31] Speaker 3: Yes, you've told me about that.
[7:33] Speaker 2: And sister, I learned a lot about people. Now, I
[7:36] Speaker 2: never got robbed, but I did think it was a
[7:38] Speaker 2: possibility a number of times. Mostly what you hear about,
[7:41] Speaker 2: what I always feared happening was getting a call for
[7:44] Speaker 2: what's it called an appointment robbery. That's where you have
[7:47] Speaker 2: some folks order food and when you get there, they
[7:49] Speaker 2: rob you.
[7:49] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[7:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So this doesn't happen so much anymore because
[7:52] Speaker 2: but back when I delivered pizza, people still paid in cash, yeah,
[7:56] Speaker 2: or at least they gave me cash tips, even if
[7:58] Speaker 2: they did their credit card over the phone. So I
[8:00] Speaker 2: carried a lot of cash on me, especially on Friday night,
[8:02] Speaker 2: Saturday nights, and by the towards the later hours of
[8:05] Speaker 2: the night, like right before closing. I've got maximal cash
[8:08] Speaker 2: on me. So honestly, I think I would have made
[8:11] Speaker 2: a great target for a robbery. That's what I'm saying.
[8:12] Speaker 2: These people missed out Anyway, I had hundreds and hundreds
[8:16] Speaker 2: of me sometimes that is like, oh, I got an
[8:17] Speaker 2: oscar week in LA.
[8:19] Speaker 3: They took one look at you and they said, that's
[8:21] Speaker 3: not a man to mess with.
[8:22] Speaker 2: No, I had some strange offers, but none of them
[8:25] Speaker 2: are give me all your money. Yeah. I met a
[8:28] Speaker 2: guy whose credit card said Saul Hudson, and I was like,
[8:30] Speaker 2: wait a minute, you slash stop. Yeah, in the Four
[8:33] Speaker 2: Seasons Hotel, I delivered him. Yeah, he had Jack Daniels
[8:36] Speaker 2: on the table behind him. That was the other indicator.
[8:38] Speaker 2: I was like, oh, still drinking. Yeah. So anyway, that's
[8:43] Speaker 2: the general shape of how robberies go, right, is like,
[8:46] Speaker 2: you show up, you got cash. Now. I know you're
[8:48] Speaker 2: not a huge football fan, Elizabeth, but you may recognize
[8:51] Speaker 2: this name since he played for the Raiders. Okay, he
[8:54] Speaker 2: was a linebacker.
[8:54] Speaker 5: His name is Napoleon Harris, vaguely familiar.
[8:58] Speaker 2: Well after his playing career was over, Napoleon was smart
[9:00] Speaker 2: with his money. Good on him. He invested in a
[9:02] Speaker 2: few pizza franchises in the Chicago Land area restaurants called
[9:06] Speaker 2: Beggars Pizza. They did well, apparently, and so not only
[9:10] Speaker 2: that success, he also ran for and was elected to
[9:13] Speaker 2: the Illinois State Senate. Yeah, by all measures of post
[9:16] Speaker 2: playing life, he was a success.
[9:18] Speaker 3: Napoleon Harris.
[9:19] Speaker 2: Then he became a superhero crime fighter.
[9:22] Speaker 3: Oh really, the story comes.
[9:24] Speaker 2: He was at one of his Beggars Pizza Restaurants. Terrible name,
[9:27] Speaker 2: by the way, Beggars Pizza. We got the can't be
[9:33] Speaker 2: chooser special line special. So it was almost closing time.
[9:36] Speaker 2: He tells his delivery driver he could go home. He
[9:38] Speaker 2: doesn't need to worry about the last orders they came
[9:41] Speaker 2: in he delivered them himself, which he did when he
[9:43] Speaker 2: got a late delivery.
[9:44] Speaker 3: That's weird.
[9:45] Speaker 2: He drives out into the night with multiple pizzas, pocket
[9:47] Speaker 2: full of cash for the transaction. When he arrives at
[9:49] Speaker 2: the address, what happens He finds it's a vacant, abandoned home. Yeah,
[9:54] Speaker 2: that was a bad sign, but who knows, maybe some
[9:56] Speaker 2: squatters ordered pizza, you know, chargable no judgment. He approaches
[10:00] Speaker 2: the house. Four young men emerged from the dark of night,
[10:03] Speaker 2: and they do not have money ready. They instead asked
[10:07] Speaker 2: for his money. They're like, give me all the money, man,
[10:09] Speaker 2: And so I assume they also asked for the pizzas, like,
[10:11] Speaker 2: we'll take the pizza and the mining man. But anyway,
[10:13] Speaker 2: this that pizza part wasn't in the news stories I read.
[10:16] Speaker 2: I just assume everyone to skip past.
[10:18] Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, this is Pizza's right there.
[10:20] Speaker 2: Totally so the only like, the one problem for the
[10:23] Speaker 2: for wannabe stick up artists is that the pizza guy,
[10:26] Speaker 2: the delivery man, was a thirty seven year old former
[10:28] Speaker 2: NFL linebacker, yeah, who stood six foot three in two
[10:32] Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds. Now, if we put that in
[10:35] Speaker 2: terms of our preferred measurement of Bo Jackson's, yeah, he
[10:38] Speaker 2: was two inches taller than Bo and ten pounds heavier
[10:41] Speaker 2: than mister Jackson. Yeah. So this did not stop the
[10:45] Speaker 2: wannabe bandits. They tried to put Napoleon Harris in a
[10:47] Speaker 2: choke hold. It was more on one with the former NFL linebacker. Surprise,
[10:52] Speaker 2: Surprise shook them off like get off me, like flees
[10:56] Speaker 2: off a dog's back. So at this point, one of
[10:58] Speaker 2: the wannabes stick up bandits is, I'm gonna throw hands
[11:01] Speaker 2: with this man, are you? I swear to god, he's
[11:04] Speaker 2: like he hit Napoleon Harris with everything he had right
[11:07] Speaker 2: in the face. And I found his quote from the
[11:10] Speaker 2: police department spokesperson who later told the press, and I quote,
[11:13] Speaker 2: Napoleon never moved, He just looked at him like Hulkogan.
[11:16] Speaker 2: And from that the guys knew that we better get
[11:18] Speaker 2: out of here because we can't keep this guy down.
[11:22] Speaker 3: They didn't know that.
[11:23] Speaker 4: Like his job used to be getting hit in the
[11:28] Speaker 4: head repeatedly, that he was working on the business end
[11:31] Speaker 4: of like a front panel of a Chevy S ten.
[11:33] Speaker 2: Totally violence was his profession. Over Yeah, usually he delivered it,
[11:38] Speaker 2: but he also had to take some blows. Sure, those
[11:40] Speaker 2: running backs, those big boys are hit you right. So now,
[11:43] Speaker 2: when this pizza robbery fails for obvious reasons, the four
[11:46] Speaker 2: men run for their lives. Right the former NFL linebacker
[11:50] Speaker 2: he chases after them, but there are four of them,
[11:52] Speaker 2: so they're like going to different directions, but they all
[11:54] Speaker 2: converge on they are well. They made it to their
[11:57] Speaker 2: Chevy Tahoe close and they sped off into the night.
[12:02] Speaker 2: Now Napoleon Hair is then focused on the license plate.
[12:04] Speaker 2: He memborizes the license plate and he calls nine to
[12:07] Speaker 2: one one since they have the license weight number. The
[12:09] Speaker 2: local police search for the car. They eventually find it.
[12:11] Speaker 2: The four stick up kids are go long gone. The
[12:14] Speaker 2: police starts the vehicle, they find blood that belong to
[12:16] Speaker 2: a missing man in Atlanta. Coms were able to use
[12:19] Speaker 2: that info. If not only find all four stick up kids,
[12:22] Speaker 2: they also solve the Murder of the Missing Man, so
[12:24] Speaker 2: well done to actual crime fighter doing hero two in
[12:29] Speaker 2: one it's a dinner specials.
[12:33] Speaker 4: Stealing tips from his employees by taking the last run
[12:36] Speaker 4: of the night.
[12:36] Speaker 2: But still I think as a form of delivery driver,
[12:40] Speaker 2: that's really nice when your managers, like if anyone calls
[12:43] Speaker 2: in from the you know, the Hollywood Hills, it's like,
[12:46] Speaker 2: you don't want to go back up there. I'm like,
[12:48] Speaker 2: I do not want to go back up. They don't tip.
[12:51] Speaker 2: On one side of the equation. After the NFL, you
[12:54] Speaker 2: become a crime fighting superhero. That's one choice, right, Naturally,
[12:57] Speaker 2: there is the other side. You can become a crime
[13:00] Speaker 2: mastermind either.
[13:01] Speaker 3: One yeah, or you know, somewhere in between.
[13:03] Speaker 2: Well, I got another quick question for you, you know,
[13:05] Speaker 2: about the pressures of life after the NFL. You had
[13:09] Speaker 2: to guess how long do you think the average NFL
[13:11] Speaker 2: playing career lasts.
[13:12] Speaker 3: It's not long, what like four years.
[13:15] Speaker 2: According the that's really close. According the NFL Players Association,
[13:18] Speaker 2: the average playing career in the NFL last three point
[13:21] Speaker 2: three years.
[13:22] Speaker 3: I have a friend who played for the Raiders.
[13:23] Speaker 4: Yes, you know, and he you know, like he was
[13:26] Speaker 4: really he and his wife were so careful with their
[13:28] Speaker 4: money while they while he was playing.
[13:31] Speaker 3: And they lived really through modes.
[13:34] Speaker 4: They had an apartment and they drove like a little Honda,
[13:37] Speaker 4: which was really funny to watch him get in and
[13:39] Speaker 4: out of. And you know, they just invested every little
[13:44] Speaker 4: car because he knew.
[13:45] Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of time with us.
[13:47] Speaker 4: Now.
[13:48] Speaker 3: He's a super smart guy.
[13:49] Speaker 4: He's done a lot of like writing and and stuff
[13:52] Speaker 4: like that for the for the football sense, but he
[13:55] Speaker 4: also like, you have that short amount of time and
[13:59] Speaker 4: oh they make all this.
[14:00] Speaker 3: But yeah, limited is so damaged.
[14:03] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your body then, oh my god, like just.
[14:07] Speaker 4: The pain and then and the constant surgeries and you know,
[14:10] Speaker 4: rehabilitation for it. So I know it's not a it's
[14:13] Speaker 4: not a long run that they get.
[14:15] Speaker 2: Yes. Now, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research,
[14:19] Speaker 2: seventy eight percent of players will be broke within three
[14:22] Speaker 2: years of retiring from football.
[14:23] Speaker 7: Oh.
[14:23] Speaker 4: I could totally see that because there were a lot
[14:25] Speaker 4: of guys on the team when he was on it
[14:27] Speaker 4: where it was just like they and they gave.
[14:30] Speaker 3: Money to family. Yeah, and they didn't they weren't wise
[14:34] Speaker 3: with it.
[14:34] Speaker 2: Well, you're certainly earning more than almost everyone else in
[14:36] Speaker 2: your family. So of course they're going to come to
[14:38] Speaker 2: you they have problems, and then you want to help them,
[14:39] Speaker 2: because what you're not going to do and not help them, and.
[14:41] Speaker 4: You don't say, look, this is a lot of money,
[14:43] Speaker 4: but it's got to last me for the rest of
[14:45] Speaker 4: my life.
[14:46] Speaker 2: I need to make this. Yeah. So to make matters worse,
[14:48] Speaker 2: about fifteen point seven percent ended up filing for bankruptcy
[14:51] Speaker 2: within twelve years of quitting pro football years. So and
[14:55] Speaker 2: you already mentioned the damage that they do their bodies
[14:57] Speaker 2: that they got to pay for. Yeah, this is all
[14:58] Speaker 2: kind of a bummer. So let's sports for the second, Elizabeth. Yeah,
[15:01] Speaker 2: do you know who Archibald right Graham is.
[15:04] Speaker 3: No?
[15:04] Speaker 2: You may recognize him from his nickname Moonlight Graham. No,
[15:07] Speaker 2: I bet you know. Newspapers of the day claimed he
[15:10] Speaker 2: was called Moonlight Graham because of his speed, but other
[15:12] Speaker 2: sources they suggested it might be due to him moonlighting
[15:15] Speaker 2: as a medical student while he was in the minor
[15:16] Speaker 2: leagues medical. Yeah, and the story Moonlight Graham is that
[15:20] Speaker 2: he played in just one game in the major leagues.
[15:22] Speaker 2: In that one game, he had just won it back.
[15:24] Speaker 2: But decades later, at that one at bat captured the
[15:27] Speaker 2: imagination of this writer I love. I mentioned him in
[15:29] Speaker 2: the past. His name is W. P. Kinsella, and he
[15:31] Speaker 2: wrote a book called Shoeless Joe, which was later turned
[15:34] Speaker 2: into a movie called Field of Dreams. Right, I assume
[15:36] Speaker 2: you've seen that movie.
[15:37] Speaker 3: Yes, I have.
[15:38] Speaker 2: So what's your third favorite part of Field Dreams?
[15:41] Speaker 4: I think when they're in the field and they're having dreams.
[15:44] Speaker 3: Mmm, it was so good.
[15:46] Speaker 2: That was probably so good. My favorite part is, thanks
[15:49] Speaker 2: for asking, Elizabeth. Is Burt Lancaster as the aged Moonlight Graham. Okay,
[15:53] Speaker 2: you know it was his final film performance.
[15:54] Speaker 3: I did not know that.
[15:55] Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, Burt Lancaster makes this seeming tragedy of Moonlight
[15:59] Speaker 2: Graham's life. I'm into vivid relief. Why he's such a
[16:01] Speaker 2: good actor. He just radiates warmth and his kindly old
[16:04] Speaker 2: doctor in this little town, and he explains his lifetime
[16:07] Speaker 2: of service versus his one day in the sun as
[16:09] Speaker 2: a major ber. Yeah, and the real story is Moonlight
[16:12] Speaker 2: Graham was called up to the New York Giants from
[16:15] Speaker 2: their farm system on June twenty ninth, nineteen oh five.
[16:18] Speaker 2: Giants are facing the Brooklyn superbas which will later be
[16:20] Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Dodgers, which will later be Yeah. So it
[16:23] Speaker 2: was the bottom of the eighth inning in Moonlay Graham.
[16:25] Speaker 2: He's brought into the game to replace the right fielder.
[16:28] Speaker 2: The next inning, in the top of the ninth, Moonlight Graham,
[16:30] Speaker 2: he's next to bat. He's there in the on deck circle,
[16:32] Speaker 2: swinging to the the bat, you know, waiting and the
[16:35] Speaker 2: pictures are you know, the pictures come up to bat
[16:37] Speaker 2: ahead of him. That's the guy who's like at the plate.
[16:39] Speaker 2: Pitcher takes a swing at a ball, pops it up,
[16:41] Speaker 2: ball gets caught third out switch sides, so he never
[16:44] Speaker 2: gets to bat. So bottom of the ninth Moonlight Graham
[16:47] Speaker 2: trots back out there, he gets to be in right field.
[16:50] Speaker 2: Ball has never hit out to him the game over.
[16:52] Speaker 2: He never got to chase down a pop fly, noth
[16:54] Speaker 2: They never got to take an at bat played that
[16:57] Speaker 2: one inning. After that he gets sent back down to
[16:59] Speaker 2: the miners. Right. That's his whole major league career some total. Now,
[17:03] Speaker 2: that same year, he graduated from the University of Maryland
[17:05] Speaker 2: doctor of medicine. He soon moved to Chisholm, Minnesota, starts
[17:09] Speaker 2: practicing medicine for the local townsfolk. No more Moonlight Graham. Instead,
[17:13] Speaker 2: he becomes Doc Graham. Right decades later, nineteen seventy five,
[17:16] Speaker 2: WP can sell. He's perusing the Baseball encyclopedia. He sees
[17:20] Speaker 2: this entry for Moonlight Graham, and so he goes. This
[17:24] Speaker 2: guy's great. He adds his character to this novel. He's
[17:26] Speaker 2: writing about this magical time machine cornfield in Iowa that
[17:30] Speaker 2: allows baseball players to cross like back and forth over
[17:33] Speaker 2: from the other side and play baseball in this baseball
[17:35] Speaker 2: diamond inside the magical cornfield.
[17:37] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[17:38] Speaker 3: You know what, if you build it, they will.
[17:39] Speaker 2: Come exactly now. The novel Shoeless Joe gets turned into
[17:43] Speaker 2: the film obviously Field of Dreams, in which then stars
[17:45] Speaker 2: Burt Lancaster's old Doc Graham. As I said, and he's
[17:48] Speaker 2: incredible in this part. Like in the movie, Kevin Costner
[17:51] Speaker 2: travels to Chisholm. He get it through like other explained
[17:54] Speaker 2: magical means. I guess his VW is also a time machine.
[17:57] Speaker 2: I don't know how it works. Maybe he just slips
[17:59] Speaker 2: through the veil of time his own. Either way, he
[18:01] Speaker 2: meets old Doc Graham back when he was still alive,
[18:03] Speaker 2: and then he asked him about this one inning in
[18:06] Speaker 2: the Major leagues. Now, Elizabeth, I have a special surprise
[18:09] Speaker 2: for you. But first I think we should take a break.
[18:11] Speaker 2: I think that's idea, and then we get back. We're
[18:13] Speaker 2: gonna get into some ridiculous crime theater play.
[18:17] Speaker 8: Oh and we're.
[18:40] Speaker 2: So I promised you some ridiculous crime theater play.
[18:43] Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a little bit. Yeah.
[18:45] Speaker 2: I want you to indulge me.
[18:47] Speaker 3: I when have I not.
[18:49] Speaker 2: I'd like us to do a dramatic recreation of that
[18:51] Speaker 2: scene when Kevin Costner offers a trip to his magical
[18:54] Speaker 2: time machine Cornfield back in Iowa, Okay, with like that
[18:57] Speaker 2: outfield wall of corn Right, it's like it's I don't know,
[18:59] Speaker 2: some people are able to come back. It's like a
[19:01] Speaker 2: dimensional wall between the living and their dad, right, but
[19:05] Speaker 2: also for it's for only for certain ballplayers, like professional ballplayers.
[19:08] Speaker 2: But then his dad can come through, so maybe it's
[19:10] Speaker 2: just men who love baseball. The rules of the Cornfield
[19:12] Speaker 2: are not exactly clear to me, but in terms of
[19:14] Speaker 2: who gets to come back from the other side of
[19:15] Speaker 2: death anyway, great scene. Ray cansella old Doc Graham, So
[19:19] Speaker 2: you'll be Kevin Costner. I'll be Burt Lancaster's Doc Graham.
[19:24] Speaker 2: One last thing in the movie they say it's the
[19:26] Speaker 2: last day of the season. It's really that's how it
[19:28] Speaker 2: really happened, but during it was actually during the middle
[19:30] Speaker 2: of the season. So but we'll just say, never let
[19:33] Speaker 2: the truth get in the way of a good story.
[19:35] Speaker 4: Never, So, how am I playing this? Am I trying
[19:38] Speaker 4: to actually be Kevin Costner for you?
[19:40] Speaker 2: Yeah? You're yeah, I want you to beat Kevin Costner. Girl,
[19:43] Speaker 2: you can do like, yeah, I gotta read some Kevin
[19:46] Speaker 2: Costner at me. So it's ridiculous. Prime radio play producer,
[19:49] Speaker 2: he can you give us a little small town at
[19:51] Speaker 2: night background, maybe some footsteps.
[20:02] Speaker 3: When you got to the Bajors? You played only wood
[20:05] Speaker 3: inning of wood game? What half of that?
[20:09] Speaker 7: In y?
[20:12] Speaker 2: So last day of the season, bottom of the eighth inning.
[20:14] Speaker 2: We were way ahead. I'd been up with a club
[20:16] Speaker 2: for three weeks. I hadn't seen any action. Suddenly Old
[20:19] Speaker 2: John McGrath points a bony finger in my direction and
[20:23] Speaker 2: he says, right field. I jumped up like I was
[20:26] Speaker 2: sitting on a spring, grabbed my glove and ran out
[20:28] Speaker 2: on the field.
[20:31] Speaker 3: Did you get to bike a play?
[20:33] Speaker 2: They never hit the ball out of the infields game?
[20:36] Speaker 2: Ended season was over. I knew they'd send me back down.
[20:39] Speaker 2: I couldn't bear the thought of another year in the miners,
[20:41] Speaker 2: so I decided to hang them up. Go go on,
[20:44] Speaker 2: sit down, Thank you.
[20:47] Speaker 3: So what was that like?
[20:49] Speaker 2: It was like coming this close to your dreams and
[20:52] Speaker 2: then watching them brush past you like a stranger in
[20:55] Speaker 2: a crowd. At the time, you don't think much of it.
[20:58] Speaker 2: We don't recognize our most significan get moments while they're happening.
[21:01] Speaker 2: Back then, I thought, well, there'll be other days. I
[21:05] Speaker 2: didn't realize that was the only day. And now Ray
[21:09] Speaker 2: can sell. I want to ask you a question. What's
[21:11] Speaker 2: so interesting about half an inning that would make you
[21:13] Speaker 2: come all the way from Iowa to talk to me
[21:16] Speaker 2: about it fifty years after it happened.
[21:20] Speaker 3: I didn't really know till just now. But I think
[21:23] Speaker 3: it's to ask.
[21:24] Speaker 4: You if you could do anything you wanted don't laugh,
[21:30] Speaker 4: or if you could have a wish.
[21:33] Speaker 2: And you're the kind of man who could grant me
[21:35] Speaker 2: that wish.
[21:36] Speaker 8: I don't know.
[21:37] Speaker 3: I'm just asking.
[21:39] Speaker 2: Well, you know, I never got a bat in the
[21:41] Speaker 2: major leagues. I'd have liked to have had that chance,
[21:43] Speaker 2: just once to stare down a big league pitcher. Stare
[21:47] Speaker 2: him down, then, just as he goes into his wind up, wink,
[21:50] Speaker 2: make him think you know something he doesn't. That's what
[21:52] Speaker 2: I wish for the chance to squint at the sky
[21:56] Speaker 2: so blue that it hurts your eyes just to look
[21:58] Speaker 2: at it. To feel the tingle in your arms as
[22:00] Speaker 2: you connect with the ball, to run the bases, stretch
[22:04] Speaker 2: a double into a triple, and then flop face first
[22:07] Speaker 2: into third, wrap your arms around the bag. That's my wish,
[22:12] Speaker 2: Ray Concella, that's my wish. Is there enough magic out
[22:15] Speaker 2: there in the moonlight to make this dream come true?
[22:19] Speaker 8: Oh?
[22:20] Speaker 3: What would you say if I.
[22:21] Speaker 2: Said, is I think I'd actually believe you?
[22:25] Speaker 4: Well, sir, there's a place where things like that happen,
[22:29] Speaker 4: And if you want to go, I can take you.
[22:32] Speaker 2: This is my most special place in all the world.
[22:35] Speaker 6: Ray.
[22:36] Speaker 2: Once a place touches you like this, the wind never
[22:39] Speaker 2: blows so cold again, you feel for it as if
[22:42] Speaker 2: it was your child. I can't leave Chisholm.
[22:46] Speaker 4: I understand, I do, but I really think you're supposed
[22:51] Speaker 4: to come with us.
[22:52] Speaker 3: No, but your wish.
[22:55] Speaker 2: It'll have to stay a wish. I was born here,
[22:58] Speaker 2: I lived here, I'll here no regrets.
[23:01] Speaker 3: Fifty years ago. For five minutes, you came within you.
[23:07] Speaker 4: You came as close it would kill some man to
[23:10] Speaker 4: get so close to their dreatment.
[23:12] Speaker 3: Not touch it.
[23:13] Speaker 8: God, the considered a tragedy.
[23:15] Speaker 2: Son, if I'd only gotten to be a doctor for
[23:18] Speaker 2: five minutes, now, that would have been a tragedy. I
[23:21] Speaker 2: better be getting home. At least you will think I
[23:23] Speaker 2: got a girlfriend now. Thank you for indulging me with that, Elizabeth,
[23:27] Speaker 2: so welcome. As fun as that was for me, I
[23:30] Speaker 2: have a very real reason for us to do that scene. Yes,
[23:33] Speaker 2: it was table setting, emotional table setting. Yes, because imagine
[23:37] Speaker 2: if someone a professional athlete.
[23:38] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just.
[23:39] Speaker 4: Sorry to interrupture, I think that I really transported people
[23:42] Speaker 4: to that moment in that film.
[23:44] Speaker 2: You rendered it.
[23:45] Speaker 4: I mean it was like people are like, did they
[23:47] Speaker 4: just take the audio from the movie?
[23:48] Speaker 3: Is that legal?
[23:49] Speaker 2: Because they aren't talking over the audio?
[23:51] Speaker 3: They get them.
[23:53] Speaker 2: Like that. That's expensive.
[23:54] Speaker 3: You can't get my impression?
[23:58] Speaker 2: Was it still smells like costume here? How did you
[24:01] Speaker 2: do that? It smells like that was the impressive part.
[24:03] Speaker 2: Not only did you sound like him, you smelled like him.
[24:05] Speaker 3: Smells like pizza. That's fine, So.
[24:07] Speaker 2: I want you to do me a favorite. Imagine someone
[24:10] Speaker 2: a professional athlete. I imagine they didn't have an Alicia,
[24:13] Speaker 2: they didn't have the children of Chisholm, Minnesota, they didn't
[24:15] Speaker 2: have a medical practice. They didn't have that meaning in
[24:18] Speaker 2: it in their life.
[24:19] Speaker 3: Sure.
[24:19] Speaker 2: Now, imagine if that person he had that same one
[24:22] Speaker 2: inning in the sun moment in his life. Yeah, might
[24:25] Speaker 2: he do after that moment? If he lacks that same
[24:28] Speaker 2: sense of purpose, we just might turn to crime. Right,
[24:31] Speaker 2: I could see that. But that's what happened to Devin Aguilar.
[24:34] Speaker 2: Only wasn't baseball, it was football. So Devin Aguilar at
[24:39] Speaker 2: one time he was a kid just hoping he might
[24:41] Speaker 2: one day play in the NFL. And he was good.
[24:43] Speaker 2: Like I'm talking. He was an EA Sports second team
[24:45] Speaker 2: All American prospect. Oh, he was an All Colorado to
[24:48] Speaker 2: Offensive Player of the Year when he was a senior.
[24:51] Speaker 2: Denver Post they named him Offensive Player of the Year
[24:53] Speaker 2: for Colorado for the whole state, whole state. Not only that,
[24:56] Speaker 2: sports writer Bruce Devlin from the Denver Post he added
[24:58] Speaker 2: him to the likes of legends of Denver High local
[25:02] Speaker 2: high school sport greats.
[25:03] Speaker 7: Right.
[25:04] Speaker 2: He was named as first team wide receiver for the
[25:07] Speaker 2: Denver post All Colorado team from nineteen eighty to two
[25:10] Speaker 2: thousand and six. He all right twenty six years in
[25:13] Speaker 2: the Super Bowl Denver Sports. Now, he did lead his
[25:16] Speaker 2: team to the state championship game three straight years, right,
[25:20] Speaker 2: they won one last two. My point is his a legend.
[25:22] Speaker 2: He's also a star basketball player. He's just a natural
[25:25] Speaker 2: born athlete. When he was headed off to the college
[25:27] Speaker 2: football market, he was the number four recruit in the
[25:29] Speaker 2: state of Colorado, top wide receiver prospect in the nation.
[25:33] Speaker 2: He decides to go to the University of Washington. Okay,
[25:36] Speaker 2: his first year, he was an All Pack ten honorable mention.
[25:39] Speaker 2: In his senior year, he earned honorable mention again for
[25:41] Speaker 2: the newly named All Pac twelve. Yeah, they added a
[25:44] Speaker 2: couple teams before they dissolved the Pack twelve. Anyway, he
[25:47] Speaker 2: ended his college career as the number seven wide receiver
[25:50] Speaker 2: in all of University of Washington's history for both receptions
[25:53] Speaker 2: and yards. After his senior year, it looked like Devin
[25:56] Speaker 2: aguil Laro was headed off to the pros, to the limelight,
[25:58] Speaker 2: the NFL, the big Show. Indeed, this does happen. Devin
[26:02] Speaker 2: agriel Are He goes to the NFL combine, he demonstrates
[26:04] Speaker 2: his talents before all the NFL scouts. He dazzled, oh
[26:08] Speaker 2: you know it girl, And he later signed but did
[26:10] Speaker 2: not get drafted by the Tennessee Titans. So he was
[26:13] Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie.
[26:15] Speaker 3: That always sounds like a fake team to me, undrafted rookies,
[26:18] Speaker 3: the Tennessee Titans.
[26:19] Speaker 2: Oh, the Tennessee Tits. So that was too literal, the
[26:22] Speaker 2: very last one.
[26:23] Speaker 3: Doesn't that sound fake?
[26:24] Speaker 2: Tennessee?
[26:24] Speaker 7: Yeah?
[26:24] Speaker 2: And that also that kind of looks fake. It looks
[26:26] Speaker 2: like a like a movie or like a Canadian football team.
[26:29] Speaker 3: What are they trying to hide.
[26:30] Speaker 2: Their Houston Oilers? Pass this?
[26:32] Speaker 3: Just let's be real.
[26:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. So so at this point, here comes the twenty
[26:36] Speaker 2: twelve season, Lizabe, You know how there's the preseason games
[26:39] Speaker 2: before the regular season. Sure if you say so, Well,
[26:42] Speaker 2: for rookies, this time is vitally important. Sometimes you need
[26:44] Speaker 2: to win your spot on the team. You need to
[26:46] Speaker 2: show what you can do, what value you bring to
[26:49] Speaker 2: your team. So Devin Aguilar's whole deal in the summer
[26:51] Speaker 2: twenty twelve is show him what you can do, who
[26:53] Speaker 2: you are make the team?
[26:55] Speaker 6: Right?
[26:55] Speaker 8: Yeah?
[26:56] Speaker 2: He comes on as an undrafted was.
[26:58] Speaker 3: He like showing up with boxes a cup. Yeah, guy
[27:01] Speaker 3: has like dance routine.
[27:03] Speaker 2: Greg I, remember you liked the Carrab chips, not chocolate.
[27:06] Speaker 2: So he's at this one. He's on the Tennessee Titans
[27:08] Speaker 2: professional He's in training camp getting ready for the preseason game.
[27:11] Speaker 2: Some sports writer from the local press puts out a
[27:13] Speaker 2: story with the headline Tennessee Titans Complete twenty twelve NFL
[27:16] Speaker 2: Preseason and Training Camp Guide, And in this he talks
[27:20] Speaker 2: about the team's potential, their matchups, their key editions in
[27:22] Speaker 2: the off season, and of course there's reviews of the
[27:25] Speaker 2: rookie players. What did he say about Devon Aguilar? The
[27:29] Speaker 2: sports writer sums up his potential as wide receiver, Devin Aguilar.
[27:34] Speaker 2: Aguilar has very limited skills and is not blessed with
[27:36] Speaker 2: the speed someone of his size needs to make it
[27:39] Speaker 2: in the NFL. He has almost no chance of making
[27:41] Speaker 2: the final roster. Rude, right that, Remember this player was
[27:47] Speaker 2: one of the best ever in his state. He goes
[27:49] Speaker 2: off to college. He went up to have somewhat illustrious.
[27:52] Speaker 3: That's just rude.
[27:52] Speaker 2: Did you imagine if they published reviews like that for
[27:55] Speaker 2: regular everyday jobs. You go to a website you can
[27:58] Speaker 2: read some nations of your coworkers, your friends, yourself, anyone.
[28:01] Speaker 3: You know.
[28:02] Speaker 2: It's like Elizabeth Dues anyway, So how brutal.
[28:08] Speaker 3: I have that look on Apple podcast reviews.
[28:12] Speaker 2: I guess. So, so this a good point, so we do.
[28:16] Speaker 2: This is the assessment for Devin Aguilar. So he needs
[28:19] Speaker 2: to step it up, change minds in mini camp before
[28:21] Speaker 2: the preseason game, so the next month is in July.
[28:24] Speaker 2: In a story with the title Coach Moonchik's Saturday training
[28:28] Speaker 2: Camp report, right, the coach answers to the sports writers
[28:31] Speaker 2: questions about the like health and the status of like
[28:33] Speaker 2: all his players, especially this rookie, Devin Aguilar, and he
[28:36] Speaker 2: specifically says cood. Coach Mike Muonchik says in regards to
[28:40] Speaker 2: Aguilar that he had this injury at this point to
[28:42] Speaker 2: it to his quote, hamstring. He got that, just just
[28:45] Speaker 2: a slight one. So we missed today. He heard it
[28:48] Speaker 2: a little out here the first couple of days the
[28:50] Speaker 2: rookies were here doing some things, just filled a little pull.
[28:53] Speaker 2: Hopefully he'll be a guy that will miss maybe one
[28:55] Speaker 2: more day and be out on Monday. So this is
[28:59] Speaker 2: the football.
[28:59] Speaker 3: Culture that doesn't bode well. To get.
[29:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, pull a hammer. You got a couple of days.
[29:04] Speaker 2: You better be out here and be at the level
[29:06] Speaker 2: of impressing me to stay on the tack. That's crazy,
[29:09] Speaker 2: not just like be able.
[29:10] Speaker 3: To run this can we bring you anything?
[29:13] Speaker 2: So the preseason games come along. August eleven, twenty twelve,
[29:16] Speaker 2: Titans travel to face the Seattle Seahawks. Devin Aguilar is
[29:20] Speaker 2: back in Washington State baby playing football professionally. Now he's
[29:24] Speaker 2: playing before sixty five eighty nine fans. That's crazy decent
[29:29] Speaker 2: for a preseason game, Devin aguilar He gets targeted once
[29:32] Speaker 2: in the game as a wide receiver. He catches that
[29:34] Speaker 2: one pass. He picks up one yard after the catch,
[29:37] Speaker 2: but the total is a twelve yard game, so he
[29:39] Speaker 2: gets a first down, first down for the team. Yay.
[29:42] Speaker 2: The next week, August seventeenth, Tennessee Titans to go down
[29:45] Speaker 2: to Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, Florida to face the
[29:47] Speaker 2: Buccaneers in a preseason game. A little box. In the
[29:50] Speaker 2: second quarter, Devin Aguilari's on a kickoff team. The kicker
[29:53] Speaker 2: boots the ball. It's a good kick sixty five yards.
[29:56] Speaker 2: The return man, Michael Smith decides to return the kickoff,
[29:59] Speaker 2: he runs out and he gets tackled by You guessed it,
[30:02] Speaker 2: Devin Aguilar.
[30:03] Speaker 3: Look at Devin.
[30:04] Speaker 2: He's doing special teams at this point. Now, the next week,
[30:07] Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans they face the Arizona Cardinals. Devin Aguilar didn't
[30:10] Speaker 2: record a single meaningful statistic in that game.
[30:13] Speaker 3: But you know he was there.
[30:14] Speaker 2: He brought his his presence, which was a gift.
[30:18] Speaker 3: There it is.
[30:18] Speaker 2: At the end of the preseason games, the Tennessee Titans,
[30:20] Speaker 2: they settle on their starting lineup of wide receivers. They
[30:23] Speaker 2: got Nate Washington, Damian Williams. Their backups are going to
[30:26] Speaker 2: be Kendall Wright, Kenny Britt, Lavelle Hawkins, Michael Preston, now
[30:31] Speaker 2: Devin Aguilar, James Kirkandall and DJ Woods.
[30:35] Speaker 3: So he made it.
[30:36] Speaker 2: He made at the end of the preseason games. Yes.
[30:38] Speaker 2: So the Chicago Tribune offers their assessment of this roster
[30:41] Speaker 2: depth the writing that quote the Titans of four players
[30:44] Speaker 2: they really like here, especially they can count on Britt.
[30:47] Speaker 2: Washington was a late bloomer, while Williams will hold a
[30:49] Speaker 2: spot until top pick right or Britt is ready to start.
[30:53] Speaker 2: Hawkins will have to fight for time at number five.
[30:56] Speaker 2: You hear whose name I didn't say, Elizabeth, that's right.
[31:00] Speaker 3: Even worse, they could have ripped into him like he's pointless.
[31:02] Speaker 2: That's like they did the beginning.
[31:03] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[31:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, So at this point, it's the twenty ninth of August.
[31:06] Speaker 2: Two days later, the Tennessee Titans they released their final
[31:09] Speaker 2: fifty three man roster. Guess whose name was not on
[31:12] Speaker 2: that list. That's right, Devin Agrilar. Okay, first year undrafted
[31:17] Speaker 2: free agent, played a couple preseason games. He had that
[31:19] Speaker 2: one catch for twelve yards. It's a first down. He
[31:22] Speaker 2: had that one tackle on a kickoff, and like that,
[31:24] Speaker 2: his whole professional football career is done.
[31:27] Speaker 4: Did he did he graduate from college or did he
[31:30] Speaker 4: do the thing where he left before graduations?
[31:32] Speaker 2: I have to admit I never looked that up, wondering,
[31:35] Speaker 2: I know you as a former college professor.
[31:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate when they at.
[31:40] Speaker 2: This point, he's like he's the moonlight gram of football.
[31:43] Speaker 2: You know, he's just out there.
[31:44] Speaker 3: He didn't even get like a full the moonlight. Graham
[31:46] Speaker 3: was in med school.
[31:48] Speaker 2: Yes, this is true, So what does he do next? Well,
[31:50] Speaker 2: I tell you didn't become a doctor. After his time
[31:53] Speaker 2: in the sun. He fell hard fast forward to twenty
[31:56] Speaker 2: twenty one. It's nine years later. Yeah, I can also
[31:58] Speaker 2: tell you that by age thirty five, Aguilar was underemployed
[32:02] Speaker 2: and in a May December relationship, and he was the
[32:05] Speaker 2: May part.
[32:06] Speaker 3: I love that his.
[32:08] Speaker 2: Girlfriend was fifty four year old Fawn Julia. I don't
[32:11] Speaker 2: know much about her other or the true depth of
[32:13] Speaker 2: their relationship, but I do know rather importantly that she
[32:16] Speaker 2: worked as a teller for a business that handled the
[32:18] Speaker 2: transport of cash deposits for local pop businesses in the
[32:22] Speaker 2: state of Colorado.
[32:23] Speaker 3: Oh seriously, did she groom him?
[32:25] Speaker 2: So one day this couple decides, you know, I think
[32:27] Speaker 2: it'd be a good idea to rob her employer, Yomed.
[32:30] Speaker 2: So now they weren't total amateurs about it. They treated
[32:33] Speaker 2: their planned robbery like it's a full time job. Devin,
[32:36] Speaker 2: according to How It All Shakes Out, had Fawn walk
[32:38] Speaker 2: around or record her day at work. She recorded like
[32:41] Speaker 2: research videos, right, So this allowed Devin to create blueprints
[32:44] Speaker 2: of the building and detailed plans for the robbery. But
[32:47] Speaker 2: how he'll get into the garage, How I'll get out? Now,
[32:50] Speaker 2: Fawn's recording all this on her phone right now. I
[32:52] Speaker 2: suppose it was for studying later or maybe just comparing
[32:55] Speaker 2: to reality. But what I don't understand is that she
[32:58] Speaker 2: also recorded the blueprints that he was making. She took
[33:02] Speaker 2: pictures of those. She took pictures of like different drawings.
[33:05] Speaker 2: So there's a whole compendium of like all of their research.
[33:09] Speaker 3: They lost the hard copies.
[33:12] Speaker 2: It's in the cloud. They can just.
[33:15] Speaker 3: Make a Google doc.
[33:16] Speaker 2: A Sergeant Brett Kohane of the Rapahoe County Sheriff's Department
[33:19] Speaker 2: would later describe it quote, they had planned this for
[33:22] Speaker 2: six months. They even knew the exact data hit when
[33:24] Speaker 2: the most amount of money was going to be coming in.
[33:27] Speaker 2: It was orchestrated perfectly. He knew exactly what he was doing.
[33:31] Speaker 2: So what's the story of this perfectly orchestrated? The story
[33:35] Speaker 2: is Aaron Glad you asked your eyes.
[33:38] Speaker 4: We get a double oom wad to picture it.
[33:47] Speaker 2: It's December first, twenty twenty one. Although it's a December day,
[33:50] Speaker 2: the weather is not a wintery mix of wind and snow. Instead,
[33:53] Speaker 2: it's a reasonably warm day with temperatures in the low forties.
[33:57] Speaker 2: That will matter to one man. His name is Devin Aguila,
[34:00] Speaker 2: and he has big plans for today. But then again, Elizabeth,
[34:03] Speaker 2: so to you. You are currently at work driving a
[34:05] Speaker 2: transport van loaded with the cash deposits you've collected from
[34:08] Speaker 2: local pot businesses. It's been a busy day, plenty of cash.
[34:12] Speaker 2: After making your rounds, you're now on your home stretch,
[34:14] Speaker 2: on your way back to the cash transport's garage, where
[34:17] Speaker 2: you'll unload the cash deposits, tabulate the amounts, confirm them
[34:21] Speaker 2: against the reported amounts, and then you'll be done for
[34:23] Speaker 2: the day. You plan to go to the movie theater
[34:25] Speaker 2: to catch the new release Resident Evil Welcome to Raccoon City.
[34:29] Speaker 2: You don't care that. One movie reviewer said that Resident
[34:32] Speaker 2: Evil Welcome to Raccoon City was quote empty headed, good
[34:35] Speaker 2: fund that's pleasantly under two hours and has just enough
[34:38] Speaker 2: character development to make you kind of care when someone
[34:40] Speaker 2: gets bitten. You also don't care that. Another reviewer wrote that,
[34:44] Speaker 2: quote the director Roberts clearly establishes the hauntingly depressed industrial
[34:48] Speaker 2: environment of Raccoon City while methodically spacing out his zombie attacks, which,
[34:52] Speaker 2: while not especially innovative, at times, put a pit in
[34:55] Speaker 2: your stomach Like the Resident Evil Games? Do you love
[34:58] Speaker 2: the Resident Evil Games?
[35:00] Speaker 7: Us?
[35:00] Speaker 2: You can't wait until you're seated with your popcorn, ready
[35:02] Speaker 2: for the opening credits of Resident Eval Welcome to Raccoon City.
[35:06] Speaker 2: That may explain why. When the garage door is open,
[35:08] Speaker 2: you casually pull inside and you don't notice the man
[35:11] Speaker 2: dressed in all black, wearing gloves and a mask to
[35:13] Speaker 2: hide his face, who slips in right behind you. But
[35:16] Speaker 2: when he runs up on you as you step out
[35:18] Speaker 2: of the van, that's suddenly all you can see, well
[35:22] Speaker 2: that in the gun he's shoving in your face. He
[35:24] Speaker 2: tells you to act cool. Then he hands you two
[35:27] Speaker 2: black trash bags and tells you to open the back
[35:29] Speaker 2: of the van and start filling the bags. When he
[35:32] Speaker 2: cocks the action on the gun, you nod and do
[35:35] Speaker 2: as instructed. You open the doors of the van and
[35:37] Speaker 2: begin filling the two black trash bags with all the
[35:39] Speaker 2: cash you have in the van. It takes you a
[35:41] Speaker 2: few minutes to load the one million, two hundred and
[35:44] Speaker 2: twenty four thousand, seven hundred and eighty five dollars. Since
[35:48] Speaker 2: it's all profits from pop businesses, the one point two
[35:51] Speaker 2: million is a mix of different denominations. Once all the
[35:54] Speaker 2: money is shoved into the two trash bags, the bask
[35:56] Speaker 2: man grabs them from you. He quickly tucks his gun,
[35:59] Speaker 2: he hEFS the ar awkward weight up onto his shoulders,
[36:02] Speaker 2: and he runs out of the garage. You watch him
[36:05] Speaker 2: go and realize you're not going to get to the
[36:07] Speaker 2: movie theater tonight. You're gonna be stuck answering questions from
[36:11] Speaker 2: the police and your boss about this stupid robbery. Darn it,
[36:14] Speaker 2: you really wanted to go see Resident Evil Welcome to
[36:17] Speaker 2: Raccoon City. You still don't care that. One movie reviewer
[36:20] Speaker 2: said it was a movie quote totally Brett of the
[36:23] Speaker 2: visual distinction, oh creative personality that often made his predecessors
[36:28] Speaker 2: intriguing Dune and the Rough. He just really wanted to
[36:34] Speaker 2: escape to Raccoon City and enjoys. Mikeli Sabi kills so
[36:38] Speaker 2: much for that, Okay, and that Elizabeth. How this masterminded
[36:45] Speaker 2: robbery was pulled off, But how it ends is truly
[36:50] Speaker 2: the ridiculous part, because after what all you saw just
[36:56] Speaker 2: go down carrying that garage, there was this one tiny
[36:59] Speaker 2: hiccup for the ask man with the two trash backs
[37:01] Speaker 2: of cash over his shoulders, something you actually didn't end
[37:04] Speaker 2: up witnessing. So what happens next? Great question is a
[37:07] Speaker 2: bit what happens next after these messages, I'll tell you
[37:10] Speaker 2: and we'll see how this nearly perfect paper comes undone,
[37:33] Speaker 2: and we're back at least you ready now to hear
[37:36] Speaker 2: how this nearly perfect robbery came undone. Yes, Well, even
[37:40] Speaker 2: though Devon Agrilar was a former NFL player, however short
[37:44] Speaker 2: his career was. Yeah, he wildly miscalculated his own strength
[37:47] Speaker 2: and how much one point two million dollars?
[37:49] Speaker 3: Ways, yeah, that's a lot.
[37:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, Devon Aguilar stood six foot one, he weighed hundred
[37:54] Speaker 2: ninety pounds.
[37:55] Speaker 3: So he's like eighty percent of a bow jack.
[38:00] Speaker 2: He's fifty pounds less than a bo jackson, so just
[38:02] Speaker 2: put it that way, twenty pounds less muscle. So, as
[38:05] Speaker 2: he fled with his stolen loot, he soon discovered, much
[38:08] Speaker 2: to his shock and dismay, that he couldn't shoulder the
[38:10] Speaker 2: one point two million dollars and he'd run off into
[38:13] Speaker 2: the woods with it. So there's really, like, what am
[38:14] Speaker 2: I supposed to do? Now?
[38:16] Speaker 3: Wait?
[38:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess he'd never looked into how much one
[38:19] Speaker 2: point two million dollars would weigh, or like anywhere near
[38:21] Speaker 2: that amount.
[38:22] Speaker 3: It never crossed his mind.
[38:23] Speaker 2: No ever, No, like, let's train's practice with some like
[38:27] Speaker 2: laundry bags. Run up a sandy hill with laundry bags.
[38:31] Speaker 4: But yeah, exactly, like how what's the volume of this
[38:34] Speaker 4: and how am I going to move this into a vehicle?
[38:36] Speaker 2: Something that mber perfectly planned robbery except for the getaway
[38:40] Speaker 2: once again, once acad they did like everything will work out.
[38:43] Speaker 2: It's all downhill once you get the money.
[38:45] Speaker 3: As long as I've got that can, brother, The.
[38:47] Speaker 2: Part that's the most important is getting away with it.
[38:50] Speaker 2: Like you wants a lot.
[38:52] Speaker 3: Of money too, Yes, that's a huge amount. He's able
[38:55] Speaker 3: to untraceable bills.
[38:57] Speaker 2: Exactly, all little bills ones five, maybe fifties, maybe some hundreds,
[39:01] Speaker 2: but mostly.
[39:02] Speaker 3: One five expanded from a bank or something like. It's
[39:06] Speaker 3: this stuff that I just don't even know about.
[39:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be really hard to like follow the
[39:11] Speaker 2: serial numbers on any of them.
[39:12] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[39:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, So he is able to carry the two trash
[39:15] Speaker 2: bags of money about the length of seven football fields.
[39:19] Speaker 2: And that's apparently when his will collapsed seven.
[39:24] Speaker 3: He didn't make it to the big show.
[39:25] Speaker 2: You see what the coaches saw.
[39:26] Speaker 3: I He's on Miami's season up.
[39:31] Speaker 2: So what does he do at this point? Now that
[39:33] Speaker 2: his will has collapsed. Well, he drops the two trash
[39:36] Speaker 2: bags with this life changing amount of stolen money. Yeah,
[39:39] Speaker 2: and then he just runs off into the woods. But
[39:41] Speaker 2: he's still able to run. Yeah, he at least leaves it. Now.
[39:44] Speaker 2: This police spokesperson a Cone we would later put it quote,
[39:47] Speaker 2: there's no such thing as the perfect crime.
[39:50] Speaker 3: Did he tell people he ran off or did he
[39:53] Speaker 3: actually get seen?
[39:53] Speaker 4: Because I feel like he'd be like, yeah, then I
[39:55] Speaker 4: just sprinted away really nimbly, rather than being like limping
[39:59] Speaker 4: and cry.
[40:00] Speaker 2: His back turned his ankle. He's like living away. Oh
[40:05] Speaker 2: I didn't see that long now, Elizabeth. Before we get
[40:08] Speaker 2: to the police investigation into Devin Agrilaer's masterminded robbery, I
[40:12] Speaker 2: have a question for you. Yes, do you ever wonder
[40:14] Speaker 2: about the weight of money?
[40:16] Speaker 3: I've actually calculated it for this show.
[40:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you ever just sat around wondering about it?
[40:21] Speaker 7: No?
[40:21] Speaker 3: Not really?
[40:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, before you had a reason a cause like this show,
[40:24] Speaker 2: did it ever cross your mind?
[40:29] Speaker 3: Not really?
[40:29] Speaker 7: No?
[40:30] Speaker 2: Okay, Well, quick little summary on money. Before we had
[40:32] Speaker 2: paper money, American currency is issued as coins. Then. This
[40:35] Speaker 2: is also, by the way, a millennial old tradition, one
[40:38] Speaker 2: that dates back to places were the first money no, no,
[40:42] Speaker 2: I'm not gonna take your way back to me med
[40:44] Speaker 2: the second. Now, in eighteen sixty two, during the American
[40:48] Speaker 2: Civil War, the UA printed its first bank notes that
[40:51] Speaker 2: were paper money, right, those dollar bills were much bigger
[40:53] Speaker 2: back then. Naturally, this leads to a wave of counterfeiting,
[40:56] Speaker 2: which we've discussed before. There are estimates that during the
[40:59] Speaker 2: Civil War one third about one half of the US
[41:01] Speaker 2: money was counterfeit money, which is just insane, which is
[41:04] Speaker 2: also why the Secret Service is created to investigate all
[41:07] Speaker 2: the many counterfeit money operations that are eroding like the
[41:10] Speaker 2: public faith in the.
[41:12] Speaker 3: Monetary system in the economy.
[41:14] Speaker 2: Later on the Secret Service they become protectors of the president,
[41:17] Speaker 2: but they first started as protectors of dead presidents. Yes,
[41:21] Speaker 2: aka them dollar dollar bills, y'all? Right now, anyway back
[41:24] Speaker 2: to the way of money. A dollar bill is a
[41:25] Speaker 2: blend of cotton and lenin, so it doesn't weigh a lot, right,
[41:28] Speaker 2: It's not really paper, which is partly what gives it
[41:30] Speaker 2: its weight is this lightness of the fabric. A brand
[41:33] Speaker 2: new dollar bill weighs.
[41:34] Speaker 3: One gram one gram not it's.
[41:36] Speaker 2: The same weight for any denomination. They're all the same size.
[41:39] Speaker 2: A fiver or a ten spot twenty dollars bill, Benjamin, whatever,
[41:42] Speaker 2: you got one gram one g, which means if you
[41:45] Speaker 2: have one point two million in hundreds, it would weigh
[41:48] Speaker 2: far less than one point two million in one dollar bills.
[41:51] Speaker 2: It'd be actually be like one hundred times less.
[41:53] Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you had a one hundred gram plus
[41:55] Speaker 4: had one hundred and twenty one dollar bills, it would
[41:59] Speaker 4: weigh the same as a cup of flour.
[42:02] Speaker 2: Okay, really one And now for a more medium amount,
[42:07] Speaker 2: I don't know the flower conversion on this, but a
[42:08] Speaker 2: more average weight. If the stolen loot was fifty dollars bills,
[42:12] Speaker 2: a million dollars would weigh about twenty kilograms or roughly
[42:15] Speaker 2: forty four pounds.
[42:17] Speaker 3: Huh.
[42:17] Speaker 2: Okay, so that's if the billion dollars was all fifty
[42:20] Speaker 2: dollars bills, it would weigh forty four pounds. But since
[42:23] Speaker 2: the delivery load that Devin Aguilar stole is like all
[42:25] Speaker 2: the profits from professional pot sellers, the money in the
[42:28] Speaker 2: two trash bags is likely a mix of denominations all sorts, right,
[42:32] Speaker 2: So it's nearly impossible to know how much these two
[42:34] Speaker 2: bags actually weighed. Yeah, I couldn't find reports of it.
[42:36] Speaker 2: But let's just say each bag weighed about sixty pounds, right,
[42:40] Speaker 2: he should be healthy.
[42:41] Speaker 4: He should have had a couple of those blue Ikea
[42:43] Speaker 4: bags because I've found.
[42:45] Speaker 3: You can carry a lot more weight I can carry.
[42:46] Speaker 3: So I like, I can pick things about. I can't
[42:49] Speaker 3: lift this. I put it in a blue Ikea bag,
[42:51] Speaker 3: get on my shoulder.
[42:52] Speaker 2: I can carry any This distributess weight differently. It's crazy lessons.
[42:55] Speaker 2: Gravity's pull just magic Ikea of those sweets. I'm telling you,
[42:59] Speaker 2: they make a great meatball and a damn good bag, you.
[43:02] Speaker 3: Know what exactly. And I thanked him for that.
[43:05] Speaker 2: So Devin Hagular, he's carrying this, we'll say, sixty pounds
[43:08] Speaker 2: of money across rough uneven earth, trying not to turn
[43:11] Speaker 2: an ankle.
[43:12] Speaker 3: So he's carrying overturn Rosie.
[43:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, over like on each shoulder, right, Okay, So that's
[43:17] Speaker 2: like a hell of a struggle having two rosies in
[43:20] Speaker 2: turn Rosie over your shoulders.
[43:21] Speaker 3: I couldn't no, I mean I could put her in
[43:23] Speaker 3: a cue.
[43:25] Speaker 2: I doubt he was still in NFL shape at this point, yes, right,
[43:27] Speaker 2: so I'm sure it was like a little extra heavy
[43:29] Speaker 2: to him. And then once all the adrenaline starts to
[43:31] Speaker 2: drain away and you're like seven football fields away from
[43:34] Speaker 2: where he started running.
[43:35] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[43:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to think if you do plan to
[43:37] Speaker 2: throw your stolen loot into two black trash bags and
[43:40] Speaker 2: run off into the woods, hopefully to get to like
[43:42] Speaker 2: a like a getaway car. Yeah, but i'd hope that
[43:45] Speaker 2: you would practice before you get to the robbery. I mean,
[43:47] Speaker 2: like treated like a workout, builds some endurance.
[43:49] Speaker 4: But I mean I could see like saying, Okay, I'm
[43:51] Speaker 4: going to disappear into the woods, but I would want
[43:54] Speaker 4: to I mean, you have to like maximize your time.
[43:57] Speaker 4: So how long is he going through the woods?
[44:00] Speaker 2: Need it far total? I don't know, at least seven
[44:02] Speaker 2: football fields?
[44:02] Speaker 3: Insane. It's like you should have something maybe at the
[44:05] Speaker 3: edge of the woods, hydri get away at the corner
[44:08] Speaker 3: of the world.
[44:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you needed definitely a driver who's ready
[44:12] Speaker 2: to go, or.
[44:12] Speaker 3: Maybe just don't involve the woods.
[44:15] Speaker 2: Well I don't know. I love involving the woods. So
[44:18] Speaker 2: remember they say that he planned this for six months
[44:21] Speaker 2: and at no point was the weight of the money
[44:23] Speaker 2: come up point. So anyway, after he runs that that
[44:26] Speaker 2: seven football fields carrying all the cash with, you know,
[44:29] Speaker 2: the two trash bags over his shoulder. His body gives out.
[44:31] Speaker 2: All he can do at this point is dropped the
[44:33] Speaker 2: stolen money and just try to get away on his
[44:34] Speaker 2: own without getting.
[44:35] Speaker 3: Caught some of it either.
[44:37] Speaker 2: No, and he has to know that the police are
[44:39] Speaker 2: actually I don't know for certain, but you know that
[44:41] Speaker 2: he left the vast majority there in the woods.
[44:45] Speaker 3: He just loved a bunch of stuff in his pockets.
[44:47] Speaker 2: The police are going to be swarming the area. So
[44:49] Speaker 2: maybe he put ten ground down his crotch and keep
[44:52] Speaker 2: running or limping away. But so this is exactly what happens.
[44:55] Speaker 2: The police are soon swarming the area because the driver
[44:58] Speaker 2: called nine one one, like as soon as he ran
[45:00] Speaker 2: out the door, So timing is ticking as soon as
[45:02] Speaker 2: he starts running those seven football fields.
[45:04] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[45:04] Speaker 2: When the Sheriff's deputies from Rapahoe County arrived, they scoured
[45:08] Speaker 2: the area looking for signs of Devin Aguilar's escape route.
[45:11] Speaker 2: Maybe they get lucky, find some clue to who he
[45:13] Speaker 2: was or which way he fled. Instead, the deputies get
[45:16] Speaker 2: super lucky, Elizabeth, because they didn't just find a clue,
[45:18] Speaker 2: they found two trash backs of cash in the woods.
[45:21] Speaker 3: Amazing.
[45:22] Speaker 2: They also found a key clue. My man must have
[45:24] Speaker 2: been sweating up a storm when he was running, because
[45:26] Speaker 2: he pulls off his gloves and then he made the
[45:28] Speaker 2: mistake that would cost him his freedom. Elizabeth, my man
[45:31] Speaker 2: left his gloves behind in the woods with the two
[45:34] Speaker 2: bags of cash.
[45:35] Speaker 3: What with all just stripping down, What are you thinking?
[45:38] Speaker 3: He left like a He left like a swamp.
[45:42] Speaker 2: Some So this one's for Tea. So of course the
[45:46] Speaker 2: gloves had DNA all over them. The cops ran the gloves,
[45:49] Speaker 2: as they say on Law and Order SVU, they got
[45:52] Speaker 2: a hit in the database.
[45:53] Speaker 5: So so agular commits because he had committed this earlier
[45:58] Speaker 5: robbery and so his DNA is in the sist them,
[46:00] Speaker 5: and his DNA profile is you know, now being used
[46:02] Speaker 5: by all the you know, law enforcement in Colorado.
[46:05] Speaker 2: So at this point the deputies began their investigation knowing
[46:07] Speaker 2: that they're looking for Devin Aguilar. So so yeah, unless he,
[46:11] Speaker 2: like you know, immediately makes his run for Old Mexico,
[46:14] Speaker 2: he's pretty much gonna be rounded up pretty quickly. Yeah.
[46:17] Speaker 2: So they also know that he targeted this specific cash
[46:20] Speaker 2: transport driver at the time that they have the most money.
[46:23] Speaker 2: So this is indicating like, oh, it's an insight job.
[46:27] Speaker 2: So what do they do. They investigate all the employees
[46:30] Speaker 2: for the cash transport business, and wouldn't you know it,
[46:33] Speaker 2: they found Devon Aguilar's Boo Vaughn Hoya. She's in a
[46:37] Speaker 2: relationship with Aguilar because you just opened her phone. There's
[46:39] Speaker 2: all these pictures of him.
[46:41] Speaker 3: It's like her lock screen is him in his Titans uniform.
[46:45] Speaker 2: Hand out doing the highs in pos but pantiless. Now,
[46:48] Speaker 2: when she was questioned, she denied any knowledge of the
[46:51] Speaker 2: robbery or her boyfriend's plans to rob her employe. Oh yeah,
[46:56] Speaker 2: she tried to, but that water was it was that
[46:59] Speaker 2: King tide. It was coming in too quick. When the
[47:01] Speaker 2: cops searched her phone, they found all those videos she'd
[47:03] Speaker 2: recorded for him. She's like talking, my baby, you gotta
[47:06] Speaker 2: see see this doorway here. You know, if you use
[47:08] Speaker 2: this you can get to the garage over here. So
[47:11] Speaker 2: and they also discover the photos she'd take and remember
[47:14] Speaker 2: his sketched out blueprints, his detailed plans in the robbery,
[47:16] Speaker 2: like need, I don't know prie, bar, need black gloves,
[47:21] Speaker 2: need trash bags.
[47:23] Speaker 3: It's like their initials like plus with a heart, around.
[47:28] Speaker 2: Get paid. That's the last number on them. So at
[47:31] Speaker 2: this point Fawn stops lying to the deputy. She agrees
[47:33] Speaker 2: to flip on Agrilar and the deputies. You know, they
[47:36] Speaker 2: used her to set up a trap for him. And
[47:38] Speaker 2: so while she's still in police custody, before the news
[47:40] Speaker 2: of her arrest breaks, the deputies have her call Aguilar,
[47:43] Speaker 2: and of course they record the call's evidence. Yeah, so
[47:45] Speaker 2: on phones Devin Aguilar, and she says that the cops
[47:48] Speaker 2: have been around to question her. She tells them how
[47:51] Speaker 2: they found her, which is in how they were likely
[47:53] Speaker 2: to track him down too. And while the cops are
[47:55] Speaker 2: in there listening on the phone call, right, and the
[47:57] Speaker 2: Fawn tells Devin, you left your gloves dumb. So, hearing
[48:02] Speaker 2: her say that, he doesn't think maybe she's in police custody,
[48:04] Speaker 2: my words are being used to incriminate me. Instead, he
[48:07] Speaker 2: does quite the opposite. He gets immediately heated and shoots back,
[48:10] Speaker 2: But how would they know what's me?
[48:11] Speaker 7: Like?
[48:11] Speaker 2: Why do you question my brilliant, masterminded plan that only
[48:15] Speaker 2: lasted seven football fields? So I guess he didn't realize
[48:19] Speaker 2: how effective DNA is in the police investigation. Once they
[48:22] Speaker 2: had Fawn's cooperation, then the damning DA evidence. Pretty much
[48:25] Speaker 2: they're done, so Fawn takes a plead deal. Eventually she
[48:27] Speaker 2: agrees to testify against her now former boyfriend. For her efforts,
[48:31] Speaker 2: she gets tried, convicted, sentenced to six months behind bars.
[48:35] Speaker 2: Armed with her testimony and phone evidence, law enforcement they go.
[48:38] Speaker 2: They round up Devin. They arrest him too. In his trial,
[48:41] Speaker 2: the prosecutors treated him as the mastermind of the cash
[48:44] Speaker 2: transport robbery. They say it was maybe been a May
[48:46] Speaker 2: December romance, but he's the brains of I don't know.
[48:52] Speaker 2: So once Devin realizes that he's facing a certain conviction,
[48:55] Speaker 2: he flips his plea deal and pleads guilty to felony theft,
[48:58] Speaker 2: felony ermad robbery right in his trial. Like during sentencing,
[49:01] Speaker 2: Aguilar tells the judge, I'm taking full accountability. I was
[49:05] Speaker 2: a shamed but I'm no longer shamed for accountability has
[49:08] Speaker 2: been taken. I'm ready for another opportunity. He's like talking
[49:11] Speaker 2: to his coach.
[49:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly what it sounds like.
[49:14] Speaker 2: So his lawyer takes the same tag, tells the judge
[49:16] Speaker 2: he's embarrassed that he let his family down, they let
[49:18] Speaker 2: the community down. Then he let himself down. So he's
[49:20] Speaker 2: doing something that his character he still has good. I
[49:24] Speaker 2: mean he's got good spring he I mean you seen him.
[49:27] Speaker 2: That boy can get up now, which is an interesting
[49:30] Speaker 2: argument since his DNA obviously is already in the law
[49:33] Speaker 2: enforcement database. So this is like doing something that's really
[49:36] Speaker 2: out of his character, as a lawyer pointed out. But whatever,
[49:38] Speaker 2: let's skip past that unfortunate little fact. When all is
[49:41] Speaker 2: said and done, the prosecutors want a sentence of fifteen
[49:45] Speaker 2: to twenty years for a failed robbery and he gots
[49:48] Speaker 2: pulled it off, but he didn't get fully away. Yeah,
[49:50] Speaker 2: the judge listens to their recommendations and it's like, yeah,
[49:52] Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.
[49:53] Speaker 3: It's good.
[49:54] Speaker 2: I love that the judge is like this, like thirteen
[49:56] Speaker 2: to twenty years, all right, he got how far seven
[49:58] Speaker 2: football fields? Now've done that? So the judge jobs were
[50:01] Speaker 2: a much lighter sentence as in one year behind bars.
[50:03] Speaker 3: Oh wow, that is much lighter.
[50:05] Speaker 2: He ends up serving seven months of that sentence in
[50:08] Speaker 2: his release. So there you go, the criminally ridiculous post
[50:11] Speaker 2: NFL life of this modern day moonlight Graham, I have
[50:15] Speaker 2: one last question for you, Yes, what's a ridiculous takeaway here.
[50:18] Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
[50:20] Speaker 4: You know, I think there's it's interesting where he has
[50:24] Speaker 4: like he's talking to his coach about I've got accountability.
[50:27] Speaker 4: Like there's some things that gets so ingrained in people
[50:30] Speaker 4: early on, you know that, like football was.
[50:32] Speaker 3: His life for most of his life, so like.
[50:35] Speaker 4: It bums me out, you know, like not everyone can
[50:38] Speaker 4: make it, of course we know that, but to come
[50:41] Speaker 4: so close and to taste it, and then you know,
[50:44] Speaker 4: I can I can see where it's like.
[50:46] Speaker 3: Then, what what are you going to do?
[50:47] Speaker 4: Especially like I said, if you don't have a degree.
[50:50] Speaker 4: I mean, there are plenty of great jobs without degrees.
[50:52] Speaker 2: Obviously, but he could he could get into the trade,
[50:55] Speaker 2: he could open his own business.
[50:56] Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, there are a lot of
[50:58] Speaker 4: things that people can do, but I mean this, to
[51:00] Speaker 4: have it taken away from you like that when you
[51:03] Speaker 4: never really had.
[51:03] Speaker 2: It, and in such a public fashion, you know, like
[51:06] Speaker 2: you I go back to your community and people are
[51:08] Speaker 2: like reading that reviews.
[51:10] Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know. I think that's why we
[51:12] Speaker 4: just need to abolish football.
[51:15] Speaker 2: You stuff it.
[51:16] Speaker 3: We'd have less crime super.
[51:18] Speaker 2: Bowl Week that is that is.
[51:19] Speaker 3: Heresy, happier folks.
[51:22] Speaker 2: How dare you. I know how dare well my ridiculous takeaway.
[51:25] Speaker 3: Thank you for please.
[51:28] Speaker 2: I just told you two football stories and you didn't
[51:30] Speaker 2: even bat an eye.
[51:31] Speaker 3: I know they were so good.
[51:33] Speaker 2: They were so good.
[51:34] Speaker 3: I think I like football now.
[51:35] Speaker 2: I was hoping so forty two Blue. So you in
[51:38] Speaker 2: the move for talk back and want to hike this
[51:40] Speaker 2: all down? Yes, I am proud. Can you favor us
[51:43] Speaker 2: with one?
[51:46] Speaker 7: Oh my god, I.
[51:52] Speaker 6: Went hey, Darren and Elizabeth. I just turned on on
[52:00] Speaker 6: episode and Zarn was talking about Lance Armstrong and how
[52:04] Speaker 6: he and his friend used to say, Look, well, my
[52:07] Speaker 6: son and I were the same when he was about twelve.
[52:10] Speaker 6: Whenever we saw somebody in a cycling gear and all
[52:14] Speaker 6: that would go lots stroll and we still do it
[52:17] Speaker 6: to this day and he's thirty two.
[52:22] Speaker 3: I like the way you say it to.
[52:26] Speaker 2: That was amazing. Thank you so much for that. My
[52:29] Speaker 2: face literally hearts him smiling after that. As always, you
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[52:44] Speaker 2: But so we also have a website, Ridiculous Crime dot
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[53:25] Speaker 2: you next crime. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Josita Dutton
[53:34] Speaker 2: and Zaron Burnette, produced and edited by the New England
[53:37] Speaker 2: Patriots strength trainer and two time NFL's Walter Payden Man
[53:41] Speaker 2: of the Year winner Dave Kustin, and starring Annelie Rutgers.
[53:45] Speaker 2: Judith Research is by the co authors of the People's
[53:48] Speaker 2: Encyclopedia of Sports Related Crimes, Riissa Brown and Jabori Davis.
[53:52] Speaker 2: Our theme song is by our resident house band do
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