# Oh Yes It's Ladies Heist: Josephine O'Dare and Amélie Condemine

An episode of [Ridiculous Crime](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1608230191), 30 May 2024, 58 min.

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The fictional character Raffles established the public's notion of a gentleman thief. But what of the ladies? Josephine O'Dare and Amélie Condemine took the Raffles playbook and blazed their way through European society, lightening wallets and lifting gems. Whether they only made 72 cents on the dollar compared to male thieves remains unknown. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.
[0:03] Speaker 2: Zarah Elizabeth.
[0:04] Speaker 3: How you doing.
[0:05] Speaker 4: I'm doing good, just sitting over here waiting for you. Yeah,
[0:07] Speaker 4: you finally made it.
[0:08] Speaker 3: You know, I just woke up. Do you know it's ridiculous?
[0:11] Speaker 4: I do.
[0:12] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[0:12] Speaker 4: Okay. Pierce Brosnan, you like him?
[0:15] Speaker 5: Sure?
[0:15] Speaker 4: It was just his birthday a little while ago. He
[0:18] Speaker 4: was a street performer back in the day, like when
[0:20] Speaker 4: he was before, he was an actor, before he was James.
[0:22] Speaker 3: Bond like a break dancer, no better.
[0:25] Speaker 4: He ate fire. He was a fire. Brosnan was a
[0:29] Speaker 4: fire eater. Got another one for it? Yeah, wrap it around,
[0:35] Speaker 4: good luck? Now another one? Teenager Christopher Walking. You know
[0:39] Speaker 4: about him. He was also a circus performer. I didn't
[0:41] Speaker 4: know that he was a clown and a lion tamer.
[0:44] Speaker 4: Terrifying lion taming Christopher Walking bad.
[0:48] Speaker 3: I can see but a Christopher Walking as a clown.
[0:51] Speaker 4: And he always referred to his his lion as a dog.
[0:54] Speaker 4: So there's this quote of him where he says, like
[0:57] Speaker 4: when I said she was like a dog, she was.
[1:00] Speaker 4: You could pet it and she would shed rub your
[1:02] Speaker 4: head on you. I would come into a cage and
[1:04] Speaker 4: wave my whip and she kind of lazily get up
[1:07] Speaker 4: and so like a dog and maybe give a little
[1:10] Speaker 4: bit of a row.
[1:11] Speaker 2: That's good.
[1:12] Speaker 3: Not really, it was the worst, kind of like Also,
[1:14] Speaker 3: there's a is it a cartoon bear?
[1:17] Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't practice at all. I just did it cold.
[1:19] Speaker 3: That was so good, though. Yeah, there's way better than
[1:22] Speaker 3: I could have done.
[1:23] Speaker 4: She was like a dog. So there you go. He
[1:26] Speaker 4: had a dog cat that he lion tamed with.
[1:29] Speaker 3: Oh wow, so you could just cuddle on the line.
[1:31] Speaker 4: I thought you'd like that, I do ridiculous.
[1:34] Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. Did you know his family own like a bakery?
[1:37] Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I did, remember that.
[1:38] Speaker 3: You told me that and I made it up, So yeah.
[1:42] Speaker 4: Remember me more of your false facts.
[1:45] Speaker 3: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?
[1:47] Speaker 4: Oh my god?
[1:48] Speaker 3: Hell yeah, gangs of thieves?
[1:50] Speaker 4: Uh huh, I'm in, I'm listening. Check that's it.
[1:53] Speaker 3: No pretending to be fancy folk.
[1:57] Speaker 5: Oh ridiculous.
[2:19] Speaker 3: This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous
[2:23] Speaker 3: capers heist cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free
[2:27] Speaker 3: and one hundred percent ridiculous.
[2:29] Speaker 4: You damn right.
[2:31] Speaker 3: You remember the forty Elephants gag?
[2:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, totally London.
[2:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, they would like pose a sort of upper middle
[2:39] Speaker 3: class ladies out on a shopping day, except they were
[2:42] Speaker 3: expert pickpockets, shoplifters.
[2:45] Speaker 4: And if you challenge, they come at you with the hat.
[2:46] Speaker 3: Pict Yeah, they'd steal things and be gone before anyone noticed.
[2:50] Speaker 4: They're so good.
[2:52] Speaker 3: And then there were ringleaders in the group. It kind
[2:55] Speaker 3: of rotated in and out like menudo and there. But
[2:58] Speaker 3: there was an extensive work. Yes, they had a.
[3:01] Speaker 4: Crew at least forty of them, at least.
[3:03] Speaker 3: Forty and they did not look like elephants. Sometimes they
[3:07] Speaker 3: had to be in elegant like pull a smash and grab.
[3:10] Speaker 3: Remember when they drove a car through the front window
[3:12] Speaker 3: of a shop, that was just desperation, amazing. Yeah, but
[3:17] Speaker 3: for the most part they were sneaky and a lot
[3:20] Speaker 3: of women in their actions. Yeah, they bet a lot
[3:23] Speaker 3: of women and their families benefited from their criminals. Yeah.
[3:27] Speaker 3: Did you know this seven to eleven by my house
[3:29] Speaker 3: is closed because someone drove a car through the front.
[3:32] Speaker 4: Yeah for real.
[3:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, Oakland, Yeah, Oakland, So that was a long tradition there.
[3:37] Speaker 4: Yes, of course this is not a new crime.
[3:39] Speaker 3: These are the ancient arts. So anyway, what if I
[3:43] Speaker 3: were to tell you, okay about a couple of gangs.
[3:46] Speaker 3: I love gangs go on with a charismatic leader.
[3:49] Speaker 4: I love charismatic leaders who took.
[3:51] Speaker 3: It a step further up the social ladder.
[3:54] Speaker 4: I love a step too. You would like that one line, steppers, Yeah,
[3:58] Speaker 4: my people.
[3:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, So let me start by explaining a character an architects.
[4:02] Speaker 2: Right, please, Raffles.
[4:04] Speaker 4: Raffles. Raffles liken't like buy a ticket.
[4:06] Speaker 3: No as a name. Oh, I mean, Raffles sounds like
[4:09] Speaker 3: the name of like a sweet, shaggy dog and a
[4:11] Speaker 3: shelter just looking for his forever home, you know, looking
[4:15] Speaker 3: at ch'll sad eyed. But no, I would one adopt Raffles.
[4:23] Speaker 3: If I stumbled across this imaginary Raffles, I'd pick him up.
[4:26] Speaker 4: Sure.
[4:26] Speaker 3: Now, I got my eye on a couple.
[4:28] Speaker 2: Of a shelter right now.
[4:29] Speaker 4: I noticed when I come by there's always a dog
[4:31] Speaker 4: on your screen.
[4:32] Speaker 3: I think, I think it's it's almost time for me
[4:35] Speaker 3: to to bring a dog back into the house.
[4:37] Speaker 4: I'm happy for you, Yeah, so mine.
[4:40] Speaker 3: So anyway, Raffles isn't a shelter dog. It's a fictional character.
[4:46] Speaker 3: Arthur J. Raffles, commonly known as a J. Raffles, which
[4:51] Speaker 3: sounds like a character on an eighties teen after school sitcom,
[4:56] Speaker 3: Like AJ Raffles, he's the cool kids dadd to.
[5:00] Speaker 4: Corvette played by young George Clooney.
[5:03] Speaker 3: So this character, Arthur J. Raffles was created in eighteen
[5:07] Speaker 3: ninety eight.
[5:08] Speaker 4: His name is Art Raffles.
[5:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, Art Raffles by E. W.
[5:12] Speaker 4: Hornung w Oh like Paul Horning, like the Golden Golden
[5:17] Speaker 4: Bay Green Bay package.
[5:18] Speaker 3: H yeah, it was exactly eighty eight from the Green
[5:21] Speaker 3: Bay Packer.
[5:22] Speaker 4: Yes, no, it's a name unfamiliar with the same guy
[5:25] Speaker 4: Horn with.
[5:25] Speaker 3: The yeah yeah so but this dude e w. He
[5:31] Speaker 3: was the brother in law of one Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,
[5:35] Speaker 3: creator of Sherlock Holins.
[5:37] Speaker 4: Your man, Yeah, hit him up.
[5:39] Speaker 3: Raffles is pretty much dark Sherlock.
[5:42] Speaker 4: He married his sister and he's like I'm.
[5:45] Speaker 3: Lock exactly so like Raffles doesn't solve crimes and commits them.
[5:49] Speaker 4: Oh that dark shore.
[5:51] Speaker 3: But he's not some like low life. He's a gentleman's thief.
[5:55] Speaker 4: Oh okay.
[5:56] Speaker 3: He lives in a Yes, yes, he lives in a
[5:59] Speaker 3: pash neighborhood in London. He plays cricket he's a dapper dresser.
[6:04] Speaker 4: They should have had a crossover event between the two
[6:06] Speaker 4: of them.
[6:06] Speaker 3: I think they did it really Yeah. And he's a
[6:10] Speaker 3: clever burglar of those in his social set, okay. And
[6:13] Speaker 3: he's a master of disguise of course, so it.
[6:19] Speaker 4: Is.
[6:20] Speaker 3: And so just like Holmes with Doctor Watson, Raffles has
[6:23] Speaker 3: a sidekick, a patient Harry Bunny Manders.
[6:27] Speaker 4: Bunny Yeah, Bunny.
[6:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, and Bunny he's like a former schoolmate who tags
[6:33] Speaker 3: along and helps Raffles as payback for when Raffles saved
[6:37] Speaker 3: Bunny from disgrace.
[6:39] Speaker 4: Saved it from disgrace.
[6:40] Speaker 3: Yea life now exactly. And the thing is is, like
[6:44] Speaker 3: there was this one kind of aristocrat that the author
[6:48] Speaker 3: based Raffles on, not his activities but his personality, and
[6:53] Speaker 3: based this friendship that Raffles that this this aristocrat had
[6:56] Speaker 3: with another dude on the Raffles Bunny friendship. But the
[7:01] Speaker 3: truth was is that the aristocrat was in a relationship
[7:04] Speaker 3: with the dude and everything had to be all hush hushed.
[7:07] Speaker 4: Oh, so they made up a story of why they
[7:08] Speaker 4: had to be together.
[7:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, And like so I think that this was the
[7:11] Speaker 3: cover story. I know, if the author was aware or
[7:14] Speaker 3: if he was like these two gentlemen are.
[7:15] Speaker 4: Just telling story. He has a life debt to him
[7:19] Speaker 4: because he saved his life back in India exactly.
[7:22] Speaker 3: So anyway, in the books.
[7:23] Speaker 4: Oh Wowfles, I mean, I feel terrible for the people
[7:26] Speaker 4: who have to live lives like they were basically prohibited
[7:30] Speaker 4: in every way possible. But as a cover story, if
[7:33] Speaker 4: that is with the momentary, so let's just say accepting
[7:36] Speaker 4: these are the conditions, that's an awesome way to get
[7:39] Speaker 4: around the times.
[7:40] Speaker 3: So Raffles and Bunny they they rob the rich and
[7:45] Speaker 3: then they have they gift to the poor themselves themselves.
[7:48] Speaker 3: They have gentlemen thief adventures all across Europe mass and
[7:52] Speaker 3: Raffles in the books has quote the subtle power of
[7:55] Speaker 3: making himself irresistible at will. Really that's a good power.
[8:00] Speaker 4: He can just turn it on like that. Oh yeah.
[8:02] Speaker 3: Turn as to his victims, he says, quote, we can't
[8:07] Speaker 3: all be moralists, and the distribution of wealth is all
[8:10] Speaker 3: wrong anyway, so good, so good. He does have a code.
[8:15] Speaker 3: He won't steal from his host if he's staying somewhere.
[8:18] Speaker 4: Okay, pologies, and he won't kill also excellent, right now, He.
[8:22] Speaker 3: Uses burglary tools like hand drills. He has skeleton keys,
[8:26] Speaker 3: a small lantern. He has this thing that's very like
[8:30] Speaker 3: Batman Inspector Gadget esque. It's a rope ladder that can
[8:34] Speaker 3: be concealed under his coat and hooked up with a
[8:37] Speaker 3: telescopic walking stick.
[8:39] Speaker 4: So he's like a Victorian utility belt Batman.
[8:42] Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So, like he scopes out his targets well
[8:46] Speaker 3: ahead of time, huh. And he's quick to respond to
[8:49] Speaker 3: any situation that arises when he's on the job, like
[8:51] Speaker 3: he improves well. Yeah, And he's always talking about how
[8:56] Speaker 3: he's going to retire after one last high school next exactly,
[9:01] Speaker 3: then go to the colonies he's gonna I don't know,
[9:05] Speaker 3: the south of France. So the character was huge. When
[9:09] Speaker 3: the books came out, Raffles became the second most popular
[9:13] Speaker 3: fictional character at the time, behind Sherlock Holmes. So any
[9:18] Speaker 3: criminals in literature at the time were generally violent and charmless,
[9:22] Speaker 3: gritty and of the lower classes. Raffles, like us, was
[9:29] Speaker 3: ninety nine percent murder free and ridiculously swab.
[9:33] Speaker 4: Yes, I love this.
[9:34] Speaker 3: It was very appealing. People ate it up. Yeah, So
[9:38] Speaker 3: Raffles became the archetype of the gentleman thief. And anytime
[9:43] Speaker 3: a real life criminal in any way resembled Raffles through
[9:47] Speaker 3: either their mo or their appearance, the papers would reference
[9:51] Speaker 3: the character, and so much so that Raffles became shorthand
[9:56] Speaker 3: for a gentleman thief. Okay, so they'd be like, oh,
[9:58] Speaker 3: he's a sort of raffles and or, in the case
[10:02] Speaker 3: for us today, a gentle woman thief.
[10:05] Speaker 4: Oh a twist.
[10:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, I have two women to tell you about.
[10:09] Speaker 4: I like it.
[10:10] Speaker 3: They both operated under the raffles playbook. They were charming
[10:14] Speaker 3: and beautiful, they had sidekicks, and they stole from the
[10:18] Speaker 3: wealthy that they mingled with. Yes, so let's start with
[10:22] Speaker 3: Josephine o'dair.
[10:23] Speaker 4: Oh my god, oh dare you?
[10:26] Speaker 3: She was born Teresa Agnes Skern. Yeah, ou in eighteen
[10:32] Speaker 3: ninety nine in Herefordshire, England.
[10:35] Speaker 4: Skirt says like something you would say if you dropped
[10:37] Speaker 4: like an iron on your foot. Skirt.
[10:39] Speaker 3: Well, you know now that I admit to watching television, Yes,
[10:44] Speaker 3: isn't it Michael Scarn the fake character that Michael Scott
[10:47] Speaker 3: has in Threat Level Midnight, the fake movie.
[10:51] Speaker 4: I have to admit I do not know the office
[10:54] Speaker 4: is that true? Producer deed, do you know anything about this?
[10:56] Speaker 4: It's ringing a strong bell.
[10:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not positive. I just pulling it
[11:00] Speaker 3: from the archives, so it may not be on.
[11:02] Speaker 4: Things are still a little dusty now that you're being honest.
[11:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly open. It's so stipid being stolen where I
[11:10] Speaker 3: left it. So her dad, jose Finodr. Her dad was
[11:15] Speaker 3: a day laborer. But when she got to London at
[11:18] Speaker 3: the age of twenty, she started telling everyone that she
[11:21] Speaker 3: was the daughter of wealthy, high placed British parents.
[11:24] Speaker 4: That's the move.
[11:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. She said that she was born in Shanghai and
[11:28] Speaker 3: that she'd been adopted by the Skerns, And that doesn't
[11:32] Speaker 3: make any sense. Why why would.
[11:34] Speaker 4: Why would the working class family adopt someone from trade.
[11:37] Speaker 3: So then she's like, okay, this story is kind of shaky.
[11:39] Speaker 3: I gotta change this. This isn't panning out upside down.
[11:43] Speaker 3: Then she starts telling people that she was the adopted
[11:46] Speaker 3: daughter of an Italian countess. Oh, that one works. And
[11:50] Speaker 3: she was like, guess what, everybody, I have a rich
[11:53] Speaker 3: uncle and he gives me ten thousand pounds a year
[11:55] Speaker 3: to live on. Now that's like sixty seven thousand pound
[12:00] Speaker 3: ounce today, which is like more than seven hundred thousand
[12:03] Speaker 3: dollars over here in the US of A What. Yeah, wow,
[12:07] Speaker 3: not bad. We all need an uncle like that I
[12:10] Speaker 3: need and an uncle down seven hundred k a year.
[12:13] Speaker 4: Yeah, there's just some spending money, little pocket folding money
[12:16] Speaker 4: for it.
[12:17] Speaker 3: And so of course you could go and just wreck
[12:19] Speaker 3: shop in society.
[12:20] Speaker 4: I could do more than that, Elizabeth.
[12:22] Speaker 3: So later the cops could find no such uncle, surprise,
[12:26] Speaker 3: but they did find large sums of money transferred into
[12:29] Speaker 3: her bank account.
[12:30] Speaker 4: Oh so there was a rich benefactor of something.
[12:32] Speaker 3: I was curious. So in nineteen nineteen she goes to London.
[12:38] Speaker 3: She has this cool backstory. I'm you know, adopted by
[12:42] Speaker 3: an Italian uh, and she used it to captivate a
[12:45] Speaker 3: rich old man the best way. Yeah, his name is
[12:48] Speaker 3: lost to history, as.
[12:50] Speaker 4: We like, funny name lost to history.
[12:51] Speaker 3: He probably exactly he didn't I'm guessing he didn't want
[12:56] Speaker 3: his naive participation publicized.
[12:58] Speaker 4: No, mister History's got a lot of her.
[13:00] Speaker 3: History lost to history. No, but o'dair referred to him
[13:04] Speaker 3: as her guardian, and she used his cash to get
[13:07] Speaker 3: an expensive flat in Mayfair with two maids. A cook
[13:12] Speaker 3: and a butler. She set herself up upstairs downstairs, yes, yes,
[13:16] Speaker 3: and so then she threw fabulous parties that were attended
[13:19] Speaker 3: by two groups, the society swells of the time and
[13:24] Speaker 3: known criminals. And of course the criminals. They're operating undercover,
[13:29] Speaker 3: although the basement of the place was like their boiler
[13:32] Speaker 3: room of where they placed bets and stuff.
[13:34] Speaker 4: I'm starting to what's going on things.
[13:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, So one of those criminals was bludger Bill Warren.
[13:40] Speaker 3: Bludger bludger William Warren. He was an Australian criminal.
[13:44] Speaker 4: You keep like a sap on him.
[13:46] Speaker 3: He hit people in Scotland. Yard Detective Charles Leech said
[13:50] Speaker 3: that Warren was a quote rough, uneducated colonial who could
[13:53] Speaker 3: barely write his own name. He's an Aussie.
[13:57] Speaker 4: There's no physical description, no.
[13:59] Speaker 3: No, oh, because he's not a lady blood. He was
[14:05] Speaker 3: part of a gang that went after the rich and
[14:07] Speaker 3: famous in their playgrounds across Europe and then also on
[14:11] Speaker 3: transatlantic ocean liners.
[14:12] Speaker 4: Oh apparently those picking ground.
[14:14] Speaker 3: The Times of London said, quote they belonged to an
[14:17] Speaker 3: international fraternity of a very exclusive kind. There are said
[14:21] Speaker 3: to be not more than thirty or forty in London.
[14:24] Speaker 3: Australians for the most part, all are known to one another,
[14:27] Speaker 3: all are ready to work with a temporary associate until
[14:30] Speaker 3: the job is finished. So Warren's regular con was taking
[14:35] Speaker 3: money off of victims to bet on horse races by
[14:39] Speaker 3: convincing them that he had inside knowledge and then he'd
[14:42] Speaker 3: take off with the cash. And in one job he
[14:45] Speaker 3: got twelve pounds after he told an owner of an
[14:49] Speaker 3: Ascot Gold Cup winner that he could hook him up.
[14:53] Speaker 3: When the law came after him, he ran off to
[14:55] Speaker 3: the south of France and when the heat got too
[14:58] Speaker 3: much there, he headed for the US. That's where he
[15:01] Speaker 3: got caught and actually served time caught. Another cat at
[15:05] Speaker 3: these parties was Lord Morrison, an international swindler and card
[15:09] Speaker 3: sharp and he later wound up in prison in Austria. Yeah,
[15:13] Speaker 3: so let's go back to Odare. Though she hung out
[15:16] Speaker 3: with titled women, she did the whole fox hunting and
[15:19] Speaker 3: hounds things. Yeah, and she too hit up Ascot and
[15:23] Speaker 3: other fancy horse races where she played the part of
[15:26] Speaker 3: like this carefree sports loving woman.
[15:29] Speaker 4: Ah okay.
[15:31] Speaker 3: She would throw down one hundred pound bets like it
[15:33] Speaker 3: was nothing, just you know, tossing.
[15:35] Speaker 4: It around one of those type of thing.
[15:37] Speaker 3: Yes, she made a huge splash in Mayfair society. She
[15:41] Speaker 3: even had to hire a press agent to handle all
[15:44] Speaker 3: the inquiries and then plant good stories about herself, and
[15:48] Speaker 3: the agent told the papers that she had three ambitions
[15:51] Speaker 3: to be a Derby winner, to train the winner, and
[15:55] Speaker 3: to become a member of parliament. Really funkadelic.
[16:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's she's big, that's way big.
[16:03] Speaker 3: She became one of the bright young things, okay that
[16:06] Speaker 3: you know. It's a group named by the tabloid press.
[16:08] Speaker 3: These bohemian young aristocrats and socialites. They threw flamboyant parties,
[16:13] Speaker 3: They drank like.
[16:14] Speaker 4: Fish challenge norms, dabbled in the drugs, undercut status quo.
[16:17] Speaker 3: They would They had these weird, elaborate treasure hunts through London,
[16:22] Speaker 3: you know at night.
[16:23] Speaker 4: Yes, like rich people running around to find like that's fun, totally.
[16:26] Speaker 3: Yeah. So the informal membership included people like T. S. Eliot,
[16:30] Speaker 3: Noel Coward, George Orwell, Paul Robeson, Rudolph Valentino.
[16:35] Speaker 4: Sign me up, Anime Wong, how do we get in.
[16:38] Speaker 3: Virginia woolf I'm so down this Huxley, Oh, George.
[16:42] Speaker 4: Brock, I can make conversation with these people.
[16:43] Speaker 3: The Guinnesses, all of them, the mount Battons.
[16:47] Speaker 4: I could drink with the people too.
[16:48] Speaker 3: CRUs of them. And then there are all these other
[16:50] Speaker 3: countless other writers, artists, actors and future statesmen. And so
[16:55] Speaker 3: she's running in serious circles.
[16:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, great circle to These.
[16:58] Speaker 3: People are fascinating and they are as rich as can be.
[17:02] Speaker 3: So she's to keep up. She has to move her
[17:06] Speaker 3: parties from this nice flat that she has in Mayfair
[17:08] Speaker 3: to poshure venues like the Ritz, like she was literally
[17:11] Speaker 3: putting on the rits. And while she was there, her
[17:16] Speaker 3: and her gang would lighten the pockets to these fabulous folks.
[17:19] Speaker 3: And you know, they're all delirious with drink and drugs
[17:21] Speaker 3: in general revelry that they don't notice anything. And so
[17:25] Speaker 3: even though she's raking it in, she's spending a ton
[17:28] Speaker 3: and so money started to run out and she it
[17:31] Speaker 3: looked like she may have to declare bankruptcy. Yeah, and
[17:35] Speaker 3: she held it off for a while. She'd tell her
[17:37] Speaker 3: sob story of falling on hard times to wealthy men.
[17:41] Speaker 3: I want to be sick, And then the Captain save Odairs,
[17:46] Speaker 3: they would be chivalrous to this gorgeous young lady and
[17:50] Speaker 3: they'd front her cash and all the parties would agree
[17:53] Speaker 3: to keep it a secret on the QT. At one point, though,
[17:58] Speaker 3: she had to like loudly announced at a party that
[18:01] Speaker 3: the rumors of her money troubles were just that they
[18:03] Speaker 3: were rumors, and this only made more men come from
[18:06] Speaker 3: behind the scenes to offer her the you know, I'm
[18:10] Speaker 3: going to give you a brave face as the creditors
[18:12] Speaker 3: come calling. So she held that bankruptcy off for a while,
[18:15] Speaker 3: but she couldn't stop the financial bleeding, and it was
[18:18] Speaker 3: through that bankruptcy that her real story came out. How
[18:21] Speaker 3: did she get her initial seed money to start the dazzling?
[18:24] Speaker 4: Did she get her initial seed money?
[18:25] Speaker 3: Well, Sarin, she forged the will of a Birmingham lawyer, okay,
[18:30] Speaker 3: and from there she gathered her crew and they spent
[18:32] Speaker 3: six years living it up by stealing from her new friends.
[18:36] Speaker 3: But it was a forged will that started it all, Okay,
[18:39] Speaker 3: That's where all that those transfers came from. And in
[18:41] Speaker 3: court she was tried with her accomplices the accompany director
[18:45] Speaker 3: and his wife, two clerks, and the third man described
[18:48] Speaker 3: by the police as the cleverest forger in England. They
[18:52] Speaker 3: were all accused of forgery, theft, receiving checks, forging and
[18:57] Speaker 3: uttering a will. Sure June nineteen twenty seven, she's sentenced
[19:00] Speaker 3: at the Old Bailey to four and a half years
[19:02] Speaker 3: penal servitude for fraud at Walton Prison in Liverpool, and
[19:07] Speaker 3: others got between fifteen months to twelve years. Oh wow,
[19:11] Speaker 3: she got off relatively easy, and that's because she testified
[19:14] Speaker 3: against her co. Yeah, let's take a break. Okay, we'll
[19:18] Speaker 3: see how this wraps up and we'll go on from there.
[19:42] Speaker 3: So Josephino dare yo Joey O'Dare Joey o'dared joe dare
[19:47] Speaker 3: She gets busted, She goes to trials, she's found guilty,
[19:51] Speaker 3: but she gets a light sentence because she testified against
[19:54] Speaker 3: the co.
[19:54] Speaker 4: De snitched.
[19:55] Speaker 3: She totally snitched. One of her former friends said that
[19:59] Speaker 3: she had reached that stage in the art of lying
[20:02] Speaker 3: when she herself believed the falsehoods she told wait, she
[20:06] Speaker 3: fully believed.
[20:07] Speaker 4: There's two ways to interpret that, like, so a good
[20:10] Speaker 4: The secret to being a good liar is to believe
[20:12] Speaker 4: your lies. But it's only momentarily. So it's like being
[20:15] Speaker 4: an actor, and actor momentarily believes their lives. You still
[20:18] Speaker 4: know that you're an actor, right. If you start to
[20:19] Speaker 4: believe your lies, that's just crossing the line into insanity.
[20:22] Speaker 3: She crossed the line.
[20:23] Speaker 4: So she crossed the line.
[20:24] Speaker 3: So in August of nineteen twenty eight, she wrote a
[20:27] Speaker 3: letter to George Yendell. Yandell was the Metropolitan Police Chief
[20:31] Speaker 3: inspector who had arrested her eighteen months prior. So she's
[20:36] Speaker 3: in jail when she writes this letter, and she wanted
[20:39] Speaker 3: an early release, and she also wanted all of her
[20:42] Speaker 3: correspondents and her gray squirrel fur coat. So she said
[20:47] Speaker 3: that she was talking about how like the letters are priceless,
[20:50] Speaker 3: but I paid a lot for that coat and I
[20:52] Speaker 3: need them here. She wrote that she was resentful of
[20:55] Speaker 3: the quote sycophants with whom I was surrounded before my
[20:58] Speaker 3: unfortunate trumble. And she said that her social status isolated
[21:03] Speaker 3: her from the other prisoners. So she's believing her own line.
[21:07] Speaker 4: Yeah, she's now a lady.
[21:09] Speaker 3: Here's a quote from the letter. Okay, here, I should
[21:12] Speaker 3: find it very lonely, excepting for one perfectly nice woman
[21:15] Speaker 3: that came up from London with me. The other residents, well,
[21:19] Speaker 3: it is somewhat painful to come in contact with them daily.
[21:23] Speaker 3: I always try to be polite to everyone here, but
[21:25] Speaker 3: it is impossible to associate with them. The majority appear
[21:29] Speaker 3: to be mentally deficient. One day you hear them talking
[21:32] Speaker 3: in your magneloquent manner, and the next you wonder if
[21:35] Speaker 3: you're living in the most dreadful part of Billingsgate. For
[21:38] Speaker 3: the lewdness of their conversation with each other is fearfully disagreeable.
[21:43] Speaker 4: I need to start accusing my friends of having a
[21:45] Speaker 4: lewdness of conversation. I think, so you, guys, I'm not
[21:49] Speaker 4: going to tolerate this lewdness of conversation all day long.
[21:52] Speaker 3: That's what you'd say to me. So odare she asks?
[21:56] Speaker 2: Suffering?
[21:58] Speaker 3: She's suffering, she asked some quote if there could be
[22:01] Speaker 3: some classification in a place of this kind, Like basically,
[22:05] Speaker 3: there's not a class system. I need to be elevated
[22:09] Speaker 3: because it wants prison and the place is just too rough,
[22:13] Speaker 3: she wants out. Quote. I spend quite a lot of
[22:16] Speaker 3: my recreation time in reading, and then I try very
[22:19] Speaker 3: hard to forget my surroundings, which I think one can
[22:22] Speaker 3: often do when interested in a good book. When I'm
[22:25] Speaker 3: feeling hopelessly depressed. I recall to mind the words of
[22:29] Speaker 3: Horace Walpole quote, the world is a comedy to those
[22:32] Speaker 3: that think a tragedy, to those that feel.
[22:36] Speaker 4: Yep, there it is. Yeah, you know, I like picturing
[22:38] Speaker 4: is it her cell mat It looks like Danny Trejoe,
[22:40] Speaker 4: but is like a young lady. She's just there, just
[22:44] Speaker 4: like you're reading again over it. We see that book
[22:47] Speaker 4: and use it as a pillow.
[22:49] Speaker 3: And so Yen Dell, He's like, too bad, so sad.
[22:52] Speaker 4: Yeah, combat, yeah, this is a prison baby.
[22:55] Speaker 3: Yeah. So she did the rest of her time while
[22:56] Speaker 3: she was in prison. She wrote plays, worked on her autobiography.
[23:01] Speaker 4: Which Welcome to the Book close.
[23:03] Speaker 3: She wanted it was supposed to be a real corker,
[23:05] Speaker 3: and she wanted it to be published in the States.
[23:08] Speaker 4: Of course.
[23:08] Speaker 3: That's yeah exactly, and so not much is known of
[23:12] Speaker 3: her life after lock up. In nineteen thirty three, she
[23:16] Speaker 3: sued Reynold's Illustrated News for running a series of stories
[23:20] Speaker 3: called My Life and My Lovers by Josephine O'Dare.
[23:25] Speaker 4: It's so dare and.
[23:26] Speaker 3: So they were. They were scorchers. I met, everyone loved them.
[23:31] Speaker 3: The paper said that o'dair wrote the pieces and that
[23:33] Speaker 3: she'd been paid for them. She said, that's all fiction.
[23:36] Speaker 3: I never saw time. Yeah. So the jury eventually sided
[23:41] Speaker 3: with o'dair and awarded her one farthing in damages.
[23:45] Speaker 4: Oh man, so they're just laughing about that. But then
[23:48] Speaker 4: somebody thinks her name is worthwhile to just attach it
[23:51] Speaker 4: to this string of like erotica. Hey people, bottom wow,
[23:55] Speaker 4: they're like, her name's the paper.
[23:57] Speaker 3: Well, and at some point she changed her name to Brooks,
[24:01] Speaker 3: and she took up with an older gentleman. And it
[24:03] Speaker 3: looks like she had an okay life, although she was
[24:05] Speaker 3: plagued by insomnia, and she still liked the booze. And
[24:09] Speaker 3: it was that combo that brought about her end when
[24:11] Speaker 3: she accidentally overdosed on sleeping pills in nineteen fifty one
[24:15] Speaker 3: at the age of fifty two.
[24:16] Speaker 5: Oh yeah gone, yeah.
[24:18] Speaker 3: So that you know, that sums her up, That wraps
[24:21] Speaker 3: her up. Okay, an interesting story for you know, rags
[24:25] Speaker 3: to riches to rags to sadness, yeah.
[24:27] Speaker 4: To fabrications of one's life.
[24:29] Speaker 3: What struck me about her is the fact that she
[24:31] Speaker 3: fully believed at the end of her life that she was,
[24:35] Speaker 3: you know, this person.
[24:36] Speaker 4: She'd done it long enough to now she was just crossed.
[24:39] Speaker 3: Over, Yeah, exactly. So that's that's Josephino Dare. Now let's
[24:43] Speaker 3: meet Amalie Conde mean ooh con de mean. She was
[24:49] Speaker 3: the daughter of a butcher in the Loire region of France,
[24:52] Speaker 3: wine country. Yes, and so she was born sometime in
[24:55] Speaker 3: the eighteen fifties, but it's unclear what year. And she
[24:59] Speaker 3: married Ulysses Portal when she was eighteen. Portal was a
[25:03] Speaker 3: wine merchant and he was thirty two. So they get married.
[25:07] Speaker 4: They moved to Paris, kind of a May October relationship, yes.
[25:11] Speaker 3: And so they fought a lot and the marriage lasted
[25:15] Speaker 3: a very difficult ten years, and then she picked up
[25:18] Speaker 3: stakes moved to America.
[25:21] Speaker 4: She didn't like un alive him as they said, I
[25:24] Speaker 4: know you hate it.
[25:25] Speaker 3: I hate that, just say it. And so it's not
[25:29] Speaker 3: a lot is known about what she did in America,
[25:31] Speaker 3: but it was fantastic.
[25:33] Speaker 4: Oh really, what is known is fantastic.
[25:35] Speaker 3: She had pictures of herself with all these members of
[25:38] Speaker 3: New York society, and there's one where she's even like
[25:41] Speaker 3: up in a hot air balloon.
[25:43] Speaker 4: You're talking like the astors the Vanderbilt House, and.
[25:45] Speaker 3: So she's in this hot air balloon, waving with like
[25:47] Speaker 3: all the other swells. Yes. In eighteen eighty eight, though
[25:52] Speaker 3: France called, she went back. Oh she missed it and
[25:55] Speaker 3: shed But this time she arrives. She has a new name,
[25:58] Speaker 3: Comtesse de Montaie.
[26:01] Speaker 4: Wow, that was a nice little switch. She's now a contest,
[26:03] Speaker 4: She's a comtest.
[26:05] Speaker 3: Another photo that she had on her was a man
[26:08] Speaker 3: in uniform, and she told people that was her dad,
[26:11] Speaker 3: Count de Montoy. Of course, yeah, there was no count
[26:14] Speaker 3: or comtest des Montoy.
[26:16] Speaker 4: You think they would have records of that. You think
[26:18] Speaker 4: you're pretty easy to check.
[26:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, but like whatever, it sounds great for the uninitiated anyway.
[26:27] Speaker 3: So she lives in Paris, but she worked in Monte Carlo, Geneva, Alexandria,
[26:32] Speaker 3: and the towns of the French Riviera.
[26:34] Speaker 4: That's all the tourist spots of the Mediterranean, essentially wealthy. Yeah.
[26:39] Speaker 3: And when I say she worked, I mean she crimed.
[26:41] Speaker 4: She worked them.
[26:42] Speaker 3: She worked them like what happens in Monte Carlo stays
[26:46] Speaker 3: in Monte Carlo are in.
[26:48] Speaker 4: The pockets of those who worked.
[26:49] Speaker 3: Exactly much like Vegas by offering gambling where everywhere else
[26:54] Speaker 3: has banned it. People went there to cut loose, and
[26:58] Speaker 3: the ones who could afford to do so did so
[27:00] Speaker 3: in style. Monte Carlo is wealthy. There's this guy, Mark Broad,
[27:05] Speaker 3: a historian. He wrote a book called Making Monte Carlo,
[27:08] Speaker 3: a History of Speculation and Spectacle. He said, Monte Carlo
[27:12] Speaker 3: created quote this ethos for elite people to aspire to,
[27:16] Speaker 3: which is, not only are you able to move freely,
[27:19] Speaker 3: but doing so, you are able to flout the laws
[27:22] Speaker 3: of your home country. And that's not seen as dishonorable.
[27:25] Speaker 3: It's seen as enviable and glamorous. So there's this like
[27:29] Speaker 3: sense of danger and edge. Yeah. So the cops there,
[27:34] Speaker 3: you know, they got their eyes peeled. They first noticed
[27:37] Speaker 3: her in eighteen ninety two when there were a bunch
[27:39] Speaker 3: of thefts at a hotel where she was staying, and
[27:42] Speaker 3: she slipped away and then spent the next sixteen years
[27:46] Speaker 3: as a gentlewoman thief. Wow, she got away with it
[27:49] Speaker 3: for a long time.
[27:50] Speaker 4: Sixteen years.
[27:51] Speaker 3: Sixteen years. She ran a gang.
[27:52] Speaker 4: She was good.
[27:54] Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Everyone in her gang took on noble titles
[27:57] Speaker 3: and like aristocratic identities. Some would be Swiss, others were
[28:01] Speaker 3: Greek shipping airs, some were just Italians. Just in from
[28:05] Speaker 3: their luxurious palazzo. She was an expert observer of character
[28:11] Speaker 3: and behavior, and she took copious notes. Well it's helpful
[28:15] Speaker 3: for her, but like not for her downfall. She wrote
[28:20] Speaker 3: all this stuff about like everything she saw and observe
[28:23] Speaker 3: the people, the places. She would break in. I'll give
[28:27] Speaker 3: you a little bit more on that later. She'd break
[28:29] Speaker 3: into her target's hotel room early in the morning, lift
[28:32] Speaker 3: anything of worth, and then slip out undetected. A newspaper
[28:36] Speaker 3: article described her methods quote. With persons who slept soundly,
[28:40] Speaker 3: she relied on her own light step to escape observation
[28:43] Speaker 3: while she searched through chests and jewel cases. But with
[28:47] Speaker 3: light sleepers, she invariably found it necessary to use chloroform
[28:51] Speaker 3: to ensure herself against possible discovery stay asleep. So she'd
[28:57] Speaker 3: chloroform people to knock them all the way out while sleep.
[29:00] Speaker 3: I mean, she was really good at this because she'd
[29:02] Speaker 3: get all low and like really closely monitor their breathing
[29:06] Speaker 3: and their heart rate, like lifting the breathing. Yeah, and
[29:10] Speaker 3: so she took them to unconsciousness but not death.
[29:13] Speaker 4: Well, yeah, she didn't alive, And I figure you can.
[29:17] Speaker 4: You're pretty good at that.
[29:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, a little ether, just kinda gently do it. So
[29:21] Speaker 3: later in the morning, when.
[29:22] Speaker 4: It says she looked through jewel cases, I like to
[29:24] Speaker 4: imagine that she was looking through CDs.
[29:26] Speaker 3: And CD tool cases. Yeah, exactly, and various like ps
[29:32] Speaker 3: two games. All right. So later in the morning she
[29:36] Speaker 3: would overhear hotel staff talking about the burglary, and then
[29:40] Speaker 3: she'd act all freaked out like m yeah, she'd be like,
[29:44] Speaker 3: I have to change hotels. She'd put on this show
[29:47] Speaker 3: about how she didn't feel safe. She went up to
[29:49] Speaker 3: one property manager and said, quote, my jewels are extremely valuable,
[29:53] Speaker 3: worth over three hundred thousand francs. I cannot dream of
[29:57] Speaker 3: staying in a hotel where a man can steal into
[29:59] Speaker 3: my bedroom at night without being seen and Robbie of
[30:02] Speaker 3: my jewels. It is outrageous, horrible, and it means gross
[30:06] Speaker 3: carelessness on your part, monsieur.
[30:08] Speaker 4: I love that she drops then sneak in like subtly.
[30:13] Speaker 3: Suddenly change things. Yeah, oh, I thought that was so smart.
[30:17] Speaker 3: So she throws this hissy fit and then she says
[30:19] Speaker 3: that's it, I'm leaving, and she goes to pay your
[30:21] Speaker 3: bill and leave in a huff. But most of the time,
[30:24] Speaker 3: the manager will be like, no, no, no, it's on the house.
[30:27] Speaker 3: You don't have to pay your bill. I refuse to
[30:28] Speaker 3: take your money. Yes, because they feel horrible losing this
[30:32] Speaker 3: honored guest, they want to make it up.
[30:33] Speaker 4: I don't want her to spread word amongst her friends.
[30:35] Speaker 3: Exactly, So she winds up with stolen goods and free lodgings. Okay, amazing.
[30:41] Speaker 3: She would have the jewelry that she stole, refashioned and
[30:44] Speaker 3: reset and it looked like her amazing collection, this three
[30:48] Speaker 3: hundred thousand franc collection. Like even if the victims saw them,
[30:53] Speaker 3: they couldn't recognize their gems.
[30:55] Speaker 4: No, but is she going into these She's in money Carlo,
[30:57] Speaker 4: which is not that big. So was there a worry
[30:59] Speaker 4: that she herb pulling like an anti Jessica Fletcher, Like
[31:02] Speaker 4: every time she's there, there's a robbery.
[31:04] Speaker 3: Oh you're gonna see Okay, I just wondering.
[31:06] Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, she's working a small pool.
[31:07] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's working. She's fishing a very small pod. Yeah,
[31:11] Speaker 3: but she's brazen.
[31:12] Speaker 4: She's very brazen.
[31:13] Speaker 3: One time she robbed the same Swiss banker three times.
[31:16] Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
[31:17] Speaker 3: On the third time he woke up and called for help,
[31:21] Speaker 3: but she quickly made her way back to her room.
[31:23] Speaker 3: She hopped in bed and pretended to be asleep. She's
[31:25] Speaker 3: like one, two three sleep, just faked it. No one's
[31:28] Speaker 3: the wiser.
[31:29] Speaker 4: The next day sannama, thank you letter, thanks for being
[31:31] Speaker 4: a punk.
[31:31] Speaker 3: Except the cops were the wiser. Oh so, one day
[31:34] Speaker 3: there's this clever detective Renee Cassillari. He was looking over
[31:39] Speaker 3: the guest registries at the hotels. All the ones had
[31:42] Speaker 3: been hit, and he noticed a pattern, the Jessica Fletcher.
[31:46] Speaker 3: At each of these scenes, a fellow guest appeared, Conteste Montai. Yes, yeah,
[31:52] Speaker 3: so detectives started quietly looking into her.
[31:55] Speaker 4: You think she could get some dupe guy to put
[31:57] Speaker 4: his name on the hotel and then always use a
[31:59] Speaker 4: different one, so that way you would get around this.
[32:01] Speaker 3: She needed the reputation of fabulous.
[32:04] Speaker 4: Would she just sworn around it and make her name
[32:06] Speaker 4: known but then put on the records so that way,
[32:08] Speaker 4: when the cops are going, it's always like barcel whatever.
[32:11] Speaker 3: So they but they're trying to figure out where did
[32:12] Speaker 3: she come from? Who is oh yeah, totally, And so
[32:15] Speaker 3: they learned that she was once a high class coquette.
[32:19] Speaker 3: So she's she's like a pretty flirt, but only for
[32:21] Speaker 3: those with funds.
[32:22] Speaker 4: Yes.
[32:23] Speaker 3: The Birmingham Evening Dispatch reported that she found she had
[32:26] Speaker 3: quote allied herself with expert burglars, versed in the latest
[32:30] Speaker 3: forms of burglar science and in the use of novel
[32:34] Speaker 3: forms of burglar instruments such as the World to be
[32:37] Speaker 3: robbed had never seen or even heard of.
[32:40] Speaker 4: I tried to get a major in burglar innovators.
[32:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, they were disruptors.
[32:44] Speaker 4: They didn't offer it ever at the school I was out.
[32:46] Speaker 3: You had to go overseas. One of her tools was
[32:50] Speaker 3: able to lock or unlock a door from either side. Okay,
[32:53] Speaker 3: I think that's called the skeleton. When she got she
[32:57] Speaker 3: got wind in the bar exactly. It's called she gets
[33:02] Speaker 3: wind of the investigations. And so she goes to Alexandria, Egypt,
[33:07] Speaker 3: and she stays there with this dude named Marius Flandren. No,
[33:12] Speaker 3: he tells everyone he's the son of a wealthy shipbuilder.
[33:15] Speaker 2: Of course he was not.
[33:16] Speaker 4: He was.
[33:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, she and Flandrene they broke into a rich Americans
[33:20] Speaker 3: hotel room and they took forty thousand francs.
[33:23] Speaker 4: If I was in Europe, that's all I would steal
[33:25] Speaker 4: from is rich Americans. That wo, the Europeans would applaud behind.
[33:30] Speaker 3: Love that That's how it went. So the hotel manager
[33:33] Speaker 3: accused Flandren. Flandren accused the hotel manager of slander. Oh
[33:39] Speaker 3: and took him to court and he won in court
[33:42] Speaker 3: and got five hundred francs.
[33:44] Speaker 4: I would have accused him of theft and then like
[33:46] Speaker 4: you know, planted the stuff in his place.
[33:51] Speaker 3: He took it even further. So he gets he.
[33:52] Speaker 4: Gets him to court like five hundred francs.
[33:54] Speaker 3: That's plus an apology that had to run for three
[34:00] Speaker 3: straight days in the newspaper. What yeah, amazing, So I
[34:05] Speaker 3: want to see it in print. Condemen she found a
[34:08] Speaker 3: new partnering crime.
[34:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like two fla guys.
[34:10] Speaker 3: Amazing. So April first, nineteen oh eight, the papers reported
[34:15] Speaker 3: that Condomine had been caught by nice police. The nice police.
[34:21] Speaker 3: She was described as being the police, they're so nice,
[34:25] Speaker 3: you guys. She was described as being quote very successful
[34:28] Speaker 3: as a female raffles there it is, and that her
[34:32] Speaker 3: record showed her operating in America in nineteen oh one. Yeah.
[34:36] Speaker 3: Her trail took them to the Riviera, London, Brussels, Atlantic
[34:41] Speaker 3: Transatlantic liners, just like Josepino Dar's associates. And we've had
[34:45] Speaker 3: that a couple other times on the show of like,
[34:47] Speaker 3: oh yeah, that was right for the Pickin March third,
[34:51] Speaker 3: nineteen oh eight, Condemen checked into a hotel under the
[34:54] Speaker 3: name Contesse de Manda. M Yeah, now South American, think
[34:59] Speaker 3: about that. I want you to dwell on. We're going
[35:02] Speaker 3: to take a break and we come back. We're going
[35:05] Speaker 3: to find out about this contest demand.
[35:06] Speaker 4: I'm going to Demanda answer, yeah.
[35:29] Speaker 2: Elizabeth, welcome back, brother sister.
[35:33] Speaker 3: So, uh, contest Demanda. Yes, she's Demanda a room. Yeah,
[35:40] Speaker 3: that's her new name. In nineteen oh eight, she this
[35:44] Speaker 3: is a nice She thinks she might be under surveillance
[35:47] Speaker 3: by the cops.
[35:49] Speaker 4: And she was, yeah, a good instinct. You'll just wonder that.
[35:53] Speaker 4: You just come up.
[35:54] Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure. So she came up with the plan.
[35:56] Speaker 3: She sent her luggage off to the train station to
[35:59] Speaker 3: make it look like she's about to leave town, but
[36:02] Speaker 3: instead she checked into another hotel under the name Madame
[36:05] Speaker 3: de Montague. Okay, detectives work fooled. They tailed her to
[36:12] Speaker 3: her to the hotel exactly. Yeah, she's not I don't
[36:15] Speaker 3: think she was raffles enough with a master of disguise. Yeah,
[36:21] Speaker 3: so they tailed her to the new hotel Zarin. Close
[36:25] Speaker 3: your eyes, I want you to picture it. It's two
[36:31] Speaker 3: in the morning on May third, nineteen oh eight. You
[36:34] Speaker 3: are a police detective with France's Police Judiciier, the equivalent
[36:39] Speaker 3: of Britain's Scotland Yard. You are a niece at a
[36:42] Speaker 3: very fancy hotel with the objective of catching a notorious
[36:45] Speaker 3: gentlewoman thief, a raffles. You've been watching this fake comtest
[36:50] Speaker 3: for three days now. You are decked out in a
[36:53] Speaker 3: sharp suit, your hair slicked and cologne on point. You've
[36:57] Speaker 3: spent the evening following her at a distance, doing your
[36:59] Speaker 3: best blend in with all the rich folks she chums
[37:02] Speaker 3: up to. You sat several tables away at dinner, watching
[37:05] Speaker 3: as she supped on delicacies and cozied up to other
[37:08] Speaker 3: hotel guests. You followed her to the swanky lounge, where
[37:11] Speaker 3: she sipped champagne and laughed with the bright of a
[37:14] Speaker 3: beautiful Now, you and a couple other detectives have retreated
[37:18] Speaker 3: to the end of a hallway. Her room is one
[37:21] Speaker 3: floor down, but the door you're watching is down the
[37:23] Speaker 3: hall you saw her chatting up the occupants, an older couple.
[37:28] Speaker 3: The wife was drenched in diamonds. You knew the phony
[37:32] Speaker 3: contest wouldn't be able to resist relieving this lady of
[37:35] Speaker 3: her jewels. So you wait, the hallways quiet. You and
[37:40] Speaker 3: your colleagues sit in the dark. Suddenly you hear light,
[37:43] Speaker 3: padded footsteps. A figure appears. It's the comtesse. She has
[37:48] Speaker 3: a black silk veil over her face, but you'd recognize
[37:51] Speaker 3: her anywhere. You've been watching her like a hawk. She's
[37:54] Speaker 3: wearing black tights and a short skirt. H boo, hoo boo.
[37:58] Speaker 3: The dress she had on earlier had yards of fabric
[38:01] Speaker 3: down to her ankles, making a grand swishing sound everywhere
[38:04] Speaker 3: she went, But now she's in a little number that
[38:07] Speaker 3: makes no noise at all in her stocking feet. Her
[38:10] Speaker 3: footfall is muffled on the carpet, just a soft pat
[38:13] Speaker 3: and the occasional creak of a floorboard beneath the pile
[38:16] Speaker 3: at her feet. She has on a tight jacket and
[38:19] Speaker 3: you see a bulge on the side of it. You
[38:21] Speaker 3: know she doesn't have any visible tumors, although you've been
[38:24] Speaker 3: tempted to start a rumor that she has a parasitic twin.
[38:27] Speaker 3: The papers would love that. She reaches inside her jacket
[38:31] Speaker 3: and pulls out a set of keys. They lightly jangle,
[38:34] Speaker 3: and she quickly grabs at them to muffle the sound
[38:36] Speaker 3: with her hand. She reaches out and goes to turn
[38:39] Speaker 3: the door handle to the couple's room. When it squeaks
[38:42] Speaker 3: and barely moves. She lifts one of the keys to
[38:44] Speaker 3: the lock in front of her. Ahet, you yell, let's stop,
[38:49] Speaker 3: do not zimoove detennae stop in mate zogs. That last
[38:56] Speaker 3: one was Mongolian, like you have your language bases covered.
[39:00] Speaker 3: So you and the other detectives run to her. She
[39:04] Speaker 3: looks left, looks right like she's gonna run in said.
[39:07] Speaker 3: She raises her hands in defeat. You reach into her
[39:10] Speaker 3: jacket and pull out a small electric lamp, a priye bar,
[39:14] Speaker 3: and a small sand bag a gill. You yell, eel,
[39:19] Speaker 3: what's an eel? Well, it's a French bad guy tool,
[39:23] Speaker 3: A small sandbag used to bunk victims over the head
[39:26] Speaker 3: to render them helpless. Yeah, and there you are. So
[39:30] Speaker 3: her arrest led to the discovery of a gang of
[39:33] Speaker 3: thieves known as Spiders. Spiders, Yeah, they silently crept around
[39:37] Speaker 3: in corners of elite society, trapping what they wanted. They
[39:42] Speaker 3: found letters the cop sound letters about this band of
[39:44] Speaker 3: titled thieves who were you know, sent around by Conde
[39:47] Speaker 3: mean in like a systematic robbery campaign. She had this
[39:51] Speaker 3: all plotted out.
[39:52] Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not quite understanding the letters were sent
[39:55] Speaker 4: between her and her confederates, or her letters as she
[39:57] Speaker 4: was planning to send other people to kind of like
[39:58] Speaker 4: line up jobs, like, oh, all be coming into town.
[40:01] Speaker 3: Two were confederates, okay. And so when she got to
[40:05] Speaker 3: the cop shop, when they hauled her in, she denied everything.
[40:08] Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, yeah, she had no intentions of robbing anyone.
[40:12] Speaker 3: And then they're like, well, what about these keys and
[40:14] Speaker 3: the stuff we found in your room? Let me read
[40:17] Speaker 3: you the.
[40:17] Speaker 4: List from the room, okay please.
[40:19] Speaker 3: Fourteen crowbars, thirty eight files of various sizes, twenty five
[40:25] Speaker 3: false keys, twenty seven instruments especially designed for opening hotel doors,
[40:31] Speaker 3: twenty thousand francs worth of jewels, four thousand francs in cash,
[40:36] Speaker 3: six revolvers of various makes and sizes, including one that
[40:40] Speaker 3: was small enough to be held concealed in the palm
[40:43] Speaker 3: of the hand and fired between the fingers, but that
[40:46] Speaker 3: sounds dangerous. Twelve knives and fifteen eels.
[40:50] Speaker 4: I have an officer. You won't believe this, but this
[40:53] Speaker 4: is a mobile exhibition of a small time crux. Yes, armament.
[40:57] Speaker 4: It's amazing, isn't it.
[40:58] Speaker 3: It's very amazing.
[40:59] Speaker 4: You learned so much from it.
[41:01] Speaker 3: Well, so they confront her with this, like please to explain,
[41:05] Speaker 3: and she's she clammed up, refused to cooperate in interviewing
[41:10] Speaker 3: past victims. It seems that she wasn't just big into
[41:13] Speaker 3: the chloroform. She used that eel a lot.
[41:15] Speaker 4: Oh really, she kept.
[41:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So here we have Amelie Condeman, the contest
[41:25] Speaker 3: de Monte uh Cat, burglaring around, you know, and we
[41:29] Speaker 3: knew that it had to catch up to her head.
[41:33] Speaker 4: Be the sand woman like the Sandman sleep tonight exactly.
[41:37] Speaker 3: So when they go through her stuff and they find
[41:40] Speaker 3: all her burglary tools, they also found those photos of
[41:43] Speaker 3: her in New York Society balloon and all the notebooks,
[41:48] Speaker 3: and in those notebooks where she took these these absolutely
[41:51] Speaker 3: detailed notes, she talked about her time on transatlantic ocean liners.
[41:57] Speaker 3: She wrote about the best methods for robbing passengers on board.
[42:01] Speaker 3: She was basically just like you know, doing how to
[42:06] Speaker 3: you know, it was just like raffling for dummies.
[42:12] Speaker 4: That was so.
[42:15] Speaker 3: One particular note was about a guy referred to as
[42:18] Speaker 3: mister B. Mister B his lady friend was a writer
[42:22] Speaker 3: with a column called Sex and the City and the
[42:24] Speaker 3: New York Observers. She had a shoe fetish and three
[42:27] Speaker 3: wacky galpals. Uh no no. Mister B was described as
[42:31] Speaker 3: very rich and very strong. Okay strong, yeah, very rich,
[42:38] Speaker 3: very strong. Well, no, he had there are other things.
[42:40] Speaker 3: The strong part led her to note that she had
[42:43] Speaker 3: to use chloroform. This is what the actual note said.
[42:46] Speaker 3: Mister B bag on the right hand contains his pocketbook.
[42:50] Speaker 3: Very rich, eats little, very strong chloroform.
[42:53] Speaker 4: Oh I got it, Yeah, very strong.
[42:55] Speaker 3: Gonna need to knock I need to knock him out,
[42:57] Speaker 3: and the eel ink and do it. So on the
[43:00] Speaker 3: two voyages that she wrote about, the police found out
[43:03] Speaker 3: that they were like tons of thefts. They traced it.
[43:05] Speaker 3: They're like, oh my god, everybody got robbed on this boat.
[43:09] Speaker 3: They found a list of hotels that she wanted to
[43:11] Speaker 3: hit and the positions of the rooms and like what
[43:14] Speaker 3: kind of locks the doors had. She wrote all this
[43:16] Speaker 3: down another note read mister and missus a cabin number,
[43:21] Speaker 3: and then the cabin leaves keys in lock at night,
[43:24] Speaker 3: press hard. Really she's just watching them. She became really
[43:29] Speaker 3: close friends with the same families that she robbed, and
[43:33] Speaker 3: she robbed them just like relentless.
[43:35] Speaker 4: It was so bad the family and.
[43:37] Speaker 3: Then like the next day she'd be so upset for
[43:40] Speaker 3: them and offer to help them catch the robbers, like she.
[43:43] Speaker 4: Just she's commiserating on dinner.
[43:47] Speaker 3: The arsonist at the scene of the fire, like that's
[43:49] Speaker 3: where she is. When she got busted, all of her
[43:52] Speaker 3: friends were shocked, like, no, not the she is the
[43:55] Speaker 3: comte yeah, like and they're like, what do you mean?
[43:59] Speaker 3: She was nothing more than the sexy daughter of a
[44:01] Speaker 3: bacon slicer. Just shocked, shocked, I tell you. One of
[44:06] Speaker 3: her acquaintances was Guillon Souvet. He was one of the
[44:10] Speaker 3: leading lawyers in Paris and his father was a bonapartist deputy.
[44:14] Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
[44:15] Speaker 3: He took offense at the quote suggestion that she was
[44:18] Speaker 3: in fact not a genuine countess, Like that, what an insult.
[44:22] Speaker 4: I dare say, Yeah, I know from royalty.
[44:25] Speaker 3: The lies we tell ourselves. Please May fifteenth, nineteen oh eight,
[44:30] Speaker 3: the Great Falls Tribune ran a blurb that had come
[44:33] Speaker 3: across the wires from.
[44:34] Speaker 2: Paris, Okay.
[44:36] Speaker 3: It got deep man quote. Countess de Montai, who is
[44:42] Speaker 3: posed as a member of nobility, and it is alleged
[44:45] Speaker 3: plied her vocation as a hotel thief, has at last
[44:48] Speaker 3: been run to Earth by Continental detectives after a two
[44:52] Speaker 3: years chase. The countess's real name is Madame Portal. By
[44:57] Speaker 3: marriage she was Amalie. I mean she traveled in style
[45:02] Speaker 3: and no one disputed her claims of nobility. She is
[45:05] Speaker 3: an expert thief. The police claim, Wow, I love run
[45:09] Speaker 3: to Earth by Continental. Such a good turn of phrase.
[45:14] Speaker 3: She made it all the way to the States in
[45:16] Speaker 3: wire reports. So you gotta wonder if, like the New
[45:19] Speaker 3: York Society folks peeped this in one of their papers
[45:22] Speaker 3: they had they had to have. December of nineteen oh eight,
[45:26] Speaker 3: she stood trial in Nice. Prosecutors told the court that
[45:30] Speaker 3: she had long been known as a member of this
[45:33] Speaker 3: gang that you know, robbed guests at fashionable hotels. They
[45:36] Speaker 3: said that she'd been caught twice before but was released
[45:40] Speaker 3: due to incomplete evidence, and then that just made the
[45:43] Speaker 3: police want a tracker even closer. But here's the thing.
[45:46] Speaker 3: She gets arrested and she became a media folk hero. Well,
[45:51] Speaker 3: she conned the wealthy, and backlash against obscene wealth was
[45:55] Speaker 3: a French tradition. Yeah, and so like they're like, okay,
[45:59] Speaker 3: we're down with that. But then she was also seen
[46:01] Speaker 3: as a woman of the people. Oh so, because all
[46:05] Speaker 3: these different news articles were pointing out that like her
[46:08] Speaker 3: maid really liked and respected her, and then they all
[46:11] Speaker 3: talked about what a generous tipper she was spread the wealth.
[46:15] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[46:15] Speaker 3: According to this historian Elouise Moss quote, it seems like
[46:19] Speaker 3: every time society is in a state of economic crisis
[46:23] Speaker 3: and flux, the burglar suddenly becomes this iconic, glamorous villain character.
[46:29] Speaker 3: I think it acts as a really important political commentary
[46:32] Speaker 3: a dissatisfaction with economic inequality and also a way of
[46:36] Speaker 3: imagining yourself into a different, more illicit, adventurous lifestyle.
[46:40] Speaker 4: Hmm. To like a barometer for like the culture right
[46:42] Speaker 4: before the war.
[46:43] Speaker 3: That hit close because I was like, maybe this is
[46:45] Speaker 3: why I love these stories, you know what I mean,
[46:48] Speaker 3: Like we're in this weird time and there's this great
[46:51] Speaker 3: you know, disparity in wealth and economic inequality everything's chaotic,
[46:57] Speaker 3: and it's like, I like these crazy I get to
[47:00] Speaker 3: see like things that I would never do, because you
[47:02] Speaker 3: know anyway, I thought that was an interesting insight. So
[47:06] Speaker 3: what about Portal? Her ex husband?
[47:08] Speaker 4: What about mister Portole?
[47:09] Speaker 3: Thank you for asking. He also got arrested for what Well.
[47:14] Speaker 3: They they found out that he would visit her all
[47:17] Speaker 3: the time, okay, and when his rooms were searched, they
[47:21] Speaker 3: found a trunk that had crowbars, false keys, and other
[47:26] Speaker 3: and that her name was on the trunk.
[47:30] Speaker 4: Property.
[47:31] Speaker 3: The record keeping and the ideas are fantastic. It's top like.
[47:34] Speaker 3: I feel like she had a label.
[47:35] Speaker 4: Makers all about it.
[47:38] Speaker 3: Yes, definitely so Portal. He said that she gave him
[47:41] Speaker 3: the trunk to look after just years ago and hadn't
[47:44] Speaker 3: told him what was in it, of course, And he's
[47:46] Speaker 3: a smart man.
[47:46] Speaker 4: I've been hearing around for years. I never opened it.
[47:48] Speaker 3: Didn't ask. I don't want to know. He did admit
[47:52] Speaker 3: to occasionally like going out to dinner with her because
[47:55] Speaker 3: he wanted to rekindle their romance. And I mean, she's
[47:58] Speaker 3: beautiful from the reaction, and she's apparently very rich. She
[48:04] Speaker 3: had no interest in him because he was just but
[48:07] Speaker 3: a commoner I'm not kidding you. So three accomplices were
[48:13] Speaker 3: also arrested. Hyacinth Canessa.
[48:16] Speaker 4: What.
[48:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, she would pose as a Russian diplomat.
[48:20] Speaker 4: A Russian diplomat.
[48:22] Speaker 3: Jeon he posed as a retired secretary of embassy in
[48:27] Speaker 3: the French Diplomatic Service.
[48:29] Speaker 4: That makes sense. She's going to be attached to something
[48:32] Speaker 4: or another.
[48:32] Speaker 3: Do you remember her Alexandria acquaintance, Marius Flatt. What about
[48:36] Speaker 3: mister he he got busted to he was still they
[48:40] Speaker 3: were still working. Yeah, so they picked him up. Some
[48:44] Speaker 3: of the details of her crimes came out in court.
[48:47] Speaker 3: She made these new rich friends at luxury locations, but
[48:50] Speaker 3: she didn't want to cat burgle him right away, so
[48:53] Speaker 3: she'd get one of the crew to do it on
[48:55] Speaker 3: a really small scale, something just like they'd pop in
[48:59] Speaker 3: they covered, you know, grab something that would just cover expenses,
[49:03] Speaker 3: no profit, but also scope.
[49:04] Speaker 4: The scene and also see the reaction.
[49:06] Speaker 3: Yeah. And once she felt confident about her relationship with
[49:10] Speaker 3: the intended victim and from the gang's scopings had figured
[49:13] Speaker 3: out what kind of major loot was to be had totally,
[49:16] Speaker 3: she herself would then go in Big Boss. Big Boss
[49:19] Speaker 3: took over the final boss. They asked her to explain
[49:22] Speaker 3: all the gems and the jewelry and the cash. She
[49:25] Speaker 3: said they were gifts from a Spanish grandee and an
[49:28] Speaker 3: Egyptian pasha. Okay, all right, that's fine.
[49:32] Speaker 4: Do have pashuas I thought there was India that has probably,
[49:35] Speaker 4: but you know whatever.
[49:36] Speaker 3: But like, what about the burglary tools?
[49:38] Speaker 4: What about the crowbar corection?
[49:39] Speaker 3: She's like, not not mine, I like metal officer, these
[49:42] Speaker 3: aren't my pants.
[49:43] Speaker 4: I don't know how these got in my room, all
[49:45] Speaker 4: twenty four of them.
[49:46] Speaker 3: I will never ever stop referencing Lindsay Lohan getting pulled over.
[49:51] Speaker 3: The cops find cocaine in her pants, and she tells
[49:53] Speaker 3: them these aren't my pants.
[49:55] Speaker 4: You've never worn someone else's pants? No? Oh, I totally you.
[49:58] Speaker 4: That made me hundred percent believe that as a reasonable lie. No,
[50:02] Speaker 4: I have. I know how many times I've worn someone
[50:05] Speaker 4: else's pants, Like, I don't even know.
[50:07] Speaker 3: Are hands in the pockets? First?
[50:09] Speaker 4: Why would I someone else's pants.
[50:11] Speaker 3: Because you don't know what's in there? What if there's
[50:12] Speaker 3: like a banana peel that they left in there? You're
[50:15] Speaker 3: walking around smoke it? Well, apparently so she had a
[50:18] Speaker 3: baggy of coke Lindsay Lohane had a baggy coke officer,
[50:21] Speaker 3: these aren't my pants.
[50:22] Speaker 4: The first time you told this story, I imagined it
[50:24] Speaker 4: as Lindsay Graham got pulled over and he told the officer,
[50:27] Speaker 4: these are not my pants.
[50:27] Speaker 3: I don't know how.
[50:28] Speaker 4: I don't know how I got cocaine and Lindsay Lohan's pants.
[50:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, they well, Lindsay wear Lindsey Graham pants. There you go,
[50:35] Speaker 3: there it is, that's all, you know what, it's all.
[50:37] Speaker 4: Interconnection went in, They just said Lindsay she thought there
[50:40] Speaker 4: were exactly like my mom puts my name in my
[50:43] Speaker 4: underwear too.
[50:45] Speaker 3: So the contest, she said that the tools belonged to
[50:49] Speaker 3: a friend, and they're like, who is this friend? Well,
[50:51] Speaker 3: I can't tell you who. Well, where do they live?
[50:53] Speaker 3: I can't tell you do they exist?
[50:55] Speaker 4: I don't even know that. I don't.
[50:58] Speaker 3: So she wouldn't. The fact that she wouldn't own up
[51:00] Speaker 3: to anything did not win her friends on the jury.
[51:03] Speaker 3: I can't imagine what, like, where's the honor, Like, where's
[51:06] Speaker 3: the pride in sticking it to the fat cats?
[51:08] Speaker 4: Come on, ye're a cute Yeah.
[51:10] Speaker 3: So the jury finds her guilty and she gets sentenced
[51:13] Speaker 3: to ten years hard labor. Oh. She responds to the
[51:17] Speaker 3: sentence by standing up and yelling, only ten years, thank you,
[51:21] Speaker 3: mister judge. I shall still be young and beautiful. Fla
[51:27] Speaker 3: fla la la la.
[51:28] Speaker 4: I am betting when she comes out of that prison
[51:30] Speaker 4: she will not be nearly the same person as she
[51:32] Speaker 4: was when she went in.
[51:33] Speaker 3: No, that's the sound of the man working on the chain.
[51:36] Speaker 4: I'm just saying that that attitude is not gonna go
[51:38] Speaker 4: well with her fellow cell name.
[51:39] Speaker 3: No, yeah, Lady Dandy Treyha not going to go for that.
[51:46] Speaker 3: So records show that she got out of prison in
[51:48] Speaker 3: nineteen eighteen, but it's unknown what became of her after that.
[51:52] Speaker 4: Don't she missed the first world.
[51:53] Speaker 3: I've poured over everything I could find, and I came
[51:56] Speaker 3: up empty. And I'm guessing she changed her name. She
[51:59] Speaker 3: never on a newspaper, oh bit, which basically erases her
[52:02] Speaker 3: from history. So either she you know, either she changed
[52:06] Speaker 3: her name and like figured out how to do it
[52:09] Speaker 3: and not get caught.
[52:10] Speaker 4: She went to Louisiana.
[52:12] Speaker 3: Well, no, imagine that. I mean we talk about all
[52:14] Speaker 3: these people know they're idiots and they get caught.
[52:16] Speaker 4: You don't hear about it? Yeah, there's a lot of
[52:18] Speaker 4: people that are not getting caught.
[52:20] Speaker 3: She either hit it over the fence or she gave
[52:22] Speaker 3: it up and is basically erased from history, but not
[52:26] Speaker 3: really because I'm talking about her.
[52:27] Speaker 4: Or she changed her name maybe.
[52:28] Speaker 3: Oh, she definitely. I'm sure she changed and.
[52:30] Speaker 4: Then never got caught it under that name.
[52:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Those are her options. Change
[52:34] Speaker 3: my name, never get caught, change my name, die in obscurity. Yeah, okay, yeah,
[52:41] Speaker 3: those are your only choice.
[52:42] Speaker 4: What doesn't change her name, moves to America, does so well,
[52:45] Speaker 4: she becomes wealthy. No one writes about her because she
[52:48] Speaker 4: avoids the press.
[52:49] Speaker 3: No one writes about the wealthy coming she.
[52:50] Speaker 4: Avoids the press because she gets so wealthy. She's now possible,
[52:53] Speaker 4: not that time, you don't think so, it's totally possible.
[52:57] Speaker 4: Some of the wealthiest people you never hear about them
[52:59] Speaker 4: because they are able to insulate themselves with layers. Layers
[53:03] Speaker 4: like that one.
[53:04] Speaker 3: It doesn't matter anyway, Zaren. What's your ridiculous takeaway?
[53:09] Speaker 4: Layers of insulation, Elizabeth, that's what are required about my
[53:13] Speaker 4: ridiculous takeaway? I would say I really kind of prefer
[53:17] Speaker 4: how the lady robbers do it. I mean sixteen years solid.
[53:22] Speaker 4: We never hear that with the guys as a cat burglar.
[53:24] Speaker 3: That is a good run.
[53:25] Speaker 4: We really should give like there should be. I'm learning
[53:28] Speaker 4: more criminal appellations and names associated with lady criminals, right,
[53:33] Speaker 4: I mean your girls have been doing it right. They
[53:35] Speaker 4: don't have any There's no like, oh the Robin not
[53:37] Speaker 4: of such and such. You know, the William heart of
[53:41] Speaker 4: this all right? You know it's always sudden rather willly hart.
[53:43] Speaker 4: I always wanted to do the Willy.
[53:45] Speaker 2: Which is the will unfortunately so bad.
[53:47] Speaker 4: Yeah, the Willy Sunda this like talking about the the
[53:57] Speaker 4: of this or the Joey Adara that a lot of
[54:00] Speaker 4: some of these women to get some forty elephants of this. Yeah,
[54:04] Speaker 4: these are some iconic performances. Really are what's your ridiculous take?
[54:08] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you guys for asking. I just
[54:13] Speaker 3: I know I've been on this run of Lady Criminals,
[54:16] Speaker 3: and I guess it's part because like every time someone
[54:18] Speaker 3: calls me the lady host, it's like they book the
[54:20] Speaker 3: bear you Yeah, And but also it's like when I
[54:24] Speaker 3: look up these criminals, That's what I'm thinking too. I
[54:26] Speaker 3: find these really fascinating characters, and I hate the fact
[54:29] Speaker 3: that I have to put two in this episode, but
[54:31] Speaker 3: it's because the materials really thin.
[54:33] Speaker 4: I did the same thing with the Highway Woman Daniella, right, sorry,
[54:39] Speaker 4: Barbara Daniella, and then Dora Hawks.
[54:41] Speaker 3: Yeah. Issue, they're just as ridiculous, and there's they're just
[54:45] Speaker 3: as much of a commentary on the human condition and
[54:48] Speaker 3: the ridiculous stuff we do, and what I always like
[54:51] Speaker 3: to say, we're all two three bad decisions from winding
[54:55] Speaker 3: up on this show exactly, man, woman.
[54:57] Speaker 4: Whatever, some of us only one.
[54:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know. I just I wish there
[55:02] Speaker 3: was more known, but I savor the ones that I can.
[55:05] Speaker 4: Thank you.
[55:07] Speaker 3: You're so welcome. Hey, you know what I need right now? Abandoned,
[55:12] Speaker 3: I need to talk back, Dave, can you help me?
[55:15] Speaker 4: I got you? Oh my god, I love you.
[55:29] Speaker 6: I left a message earlier saying Zaron was very smart. Elizabeth,
[55:34] Speaker 6: I'm sorry I missed. I screwed up. You are a
[55:38] Speaker 6: genius as well. It's probably smarter than Zaron. But I
[55:41] Speaker 6: love your podcast.
[55:42] Speaker 4: You guys are great.
[55:43] Speaker 6: Thank you for putting it out, thank you for everything
[55:46] Speaker 6: I agree with.
[55:47] Speaker 4: Wow.
[55:48] Speaker 3: No, I'm always like Zaren's the smart one.
[55:50] Speaker 4: Because that's what a smart person would say.
[55:53] Speaker 3: No, I got the wind whistling when it was between
[55:55] Speaker 3: these years. Wow. All right, So dude, whoever left that,
[55:58] Speaker 3: I'll pay you back later. I'll give you your tip
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