# Fan Favs: Strangers in the Night: The Extraordinary Kidnapping of Frank Sinatra… Jr.

An episode of [Ridiculous Crime](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1608230191), 24 Sep 2024, 53 min.

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You choose it, we play it. While Zaron and Elizabeth are out on assignment, we're featuring your picks for the best ever Ridiculous Crime episodes. You need money. You know the Sinatra family. Obviously, the only thing to do is kidnap the adult son of Old Blue Eyes and ask for a ransom. But not too much, just enough. You don’t want to seem greedy. In this classic episode, learn about one man’s bumbling crusade to raise money for his family and raise the ire of America’s most mobbed-up crooner. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.
[0:05] Speaker 2: Hey everyone, We're going to run four classic fan favorite
[0:10] Speaker 2: episodes voted on by you the rude dudes of Ridiculous Crime,
[0:15] Speaker 2: something for y'all while Elizabeth and I are out on assignment.
[0:19] Speaker 2: It's a little complicated to explain, but let's just say
[0:22] Speaker 2: our first task is getting one of the interns out
[0:24] Speaker 2: of jail and Helsinki. Did you know that money laundering
[0:27] Speaker 2: is frowned upon in Finland? Well it is. Let's kick
[0:30] Speaker 2: it off with episode three, which originally aired on the
[0:34] Speaker 2: monumental date of February twenty second, twenty twenty two. Two
[0:38] Speaker 2: to two two two. It's a wild one. We've got
[0:41] Speaker 2: Avaloni divers, pine cones, dimes, and fried chicken. Oh in,
[0:46] Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra and his kid, Frank Sinatra Junior. This is
[0:51] Speaker 2: Strangers in the Night the extraordinary kidnapping of Frank Sinatra
[0:56] Speaker 2: junkinjer Yo. Elizabeth, he is you know what's ridiculous?
[1:02] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the band named Cherry Pop and Daddies. Straight
[1:07] Speaker 3: up ridiculous. Come at me, Cherry Pop and Daddies. Are
[1:12] Speaker 3: they embarrassed about that? Now?
[1:14] Speaker 2: I hope they are?
[1:15] Speaker 3: Well? Are they playing county fairs.
[1:18] Speaker 2: I think they are.
[1:19] Speaker 3: I hope they're doing something.
[1:20] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[1:21] Speaker 3: God speed, Cherry Pop and Daddies.
[1:23] Speaker 2: I stop getting the newsletter.
[1:25] Speaker 3: You're lost.
[1:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, I still got all the stickers on my car. Okay,
[1:30] Speaker 2: that's a good one. That is that is very ridiculous. Now,
[1:34] Speaker 2: how about another ridiculous one. A dude who's down on
[1:37] Speaker 2: his luck, feeling a little stuck, and he needs to
[1:39] Speaker 2: make a quick score of big cash. The best idea
[1:42] Speaker 2: he can come up with is to kidnap a famous
[1:44] Speaker 2: person's child and hold that kid for ransom. Oh, the
[1:46] Speaker 2: famous person who's kid he decides to grab is Frank Sinatra.
[1:52] Speaker 2: You're like, wait, what, why would you possibly? There's so
[1:54] Speaker 2: many other celebrities of kids to take. Bro that is
[1:56] Speaker 2: like probably the worst.
[1:57] Speaker 3: Celebrity bad life choice.
[1:59] Speaker 2: You know, his friends are like mob bosses like brot bit. Anyway,
[2:03] Speaker 2: So as dumb as this plan sounds, things go even
[2:05] Speaker 2: wilder than you might imagine. This is a strange cast
[2:08] Speaker 2: of characters. We've got Sam Giancana, mob boss. We got
[2:10] Speaker 2: jaygar Hoover, head of the FBI. We've got Jan from
[2:13] Speaker 2: Jan and Dean. Yeah, and uh, this one will surprise you.
[2:18] Speaker 2: So you're ready to hear about the dumb lucky kidnapping
[2:21] Speaker 2: of Frank Sinatra Junior.
[2:22] Speaker 3: Bring it on.
[2:42] Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous
[2:46] Speaker 2: kpers heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder
[2:50] Speaker 2: free and one hundred percent ridiculous. Okay, it's the nineteen sixties.
[2:55] Speaker 2: In fact, it's the start of the nineteen sixties, and
[2:57] Speaker 2: the coolest men in the world are the rat Pack.
[3:00] Speaker 2: You know where the rat Pack are, right?
[3:01] Speaker 3: Yes?
[3:02] Speaker 2: Who are they?
[3:03] Speaker 1: Me?
[3:03] Speaker 3: You and your dog out, producer Dave.
[3:08] Speaker 2: And also Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Junior.
[3:11] Speaker 2: We're a swell group, right, So they were in nineteen
[3:15] Speaker 2: sixty like the Kreme de la Creme, the coolest people.
[3:17] Speaker 2: They're movie stars. They are singing all around the world.
[3:21] Speaker 2: They are carousing all the time in Vegas. They're living
[3:25] Speaker 2: up the high life. That pretty much everybody who equates
[3:28] Speaker 2: as like, you know, the playboy lifestyle. That's them at
[3:31] Speaker 2: the time when America is at it's peak prosperity. So
[3:34] Speaker 2: basically you're standing being the coolest men. It's the peak
[3:37] Speaker 2: of America's history.
[3:39] Speaker 3: It the rat pack top of the heap.
[3:43] Speaker 2: I'm kidding. So their lifestyle gets turned into a film,
[3:47] Speaker 2: you know, the film as Ocean's Eleven. That film pretty
[3:50] Speaker 2: much captures a vibe that is stayed America's idea of cool.
[3:55] Speaker 2: You know, it is like pretty much, you know, Steven
[3:57] Speaker 2: Soderberg has made a career out of kind of aping
[3:59] Speaker 2: the feel of that concious. Maybe not exactly the visuals,
[4:02] Speaker 2: but the feelings, and you know.
[4:04] Speaker 3: Good for him, but the elixir of it.
[4:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good word. I like that. They're elixir
[4:08] Speaker 2: of cool them anyway. So the same year, Frank Sinatra
[4:11] Speaker 2: also made a big switch from Capitol Records and he
[4:14] Speaker 2: started his own record company, Reprise Records. And Reprise ended
[4:17] Speaker 2: up being one of the first record companies that an
[4:20] Speaker 2: artist had as an independent holding. So they were like,
[4:22] Speaker 2: I now have my own record company. Before Frank Sinatra,
[4:26] Speaker 2: nobody could do that. And they, you know, they were
[4:28] Speaker 2: involved in all the you know, Paola and these scams,
[4:30] Speaker 2: and it was like everybody know, the Mob was involved.
[4:32] Speaker 2: The music industry was and remained really shady, right, So
[4:36] Speaker 2: he tried to kind of take control. So he gets
[4:38] Speaker 2: the Mob to back him, and he gets the reprise
[4:41] Speaker 2: records of his own. Eventually he sells it for a huge,
[4:43] Speaker 2: like huge windfall for him. It works out great. So
[4:46] Speaker 2: now everybody else starts wanting to do it. It doesn't
[4:48] Speaker 2: go badly right now. I don't know. I grew up
[4:51] Speaker 2: in a house where my dad revered Frank Sinatra, so
[4:53] Speaker 2: I heard him and the Temptations and the Four Tops,
[4:56] Speaker 2: and like, I basically heard Motown and Frank Sinatra and
[4:58] Speaker 2: Dean Martin and Sammy Davis and you're actually all of
[5:00] Speaker 2: them all the time. From my father, he.
[5:03] Speaker 3: Was just at one.
[5:04] Speaker 2: Just he just put the needle on on the records
[5:06] Speaker 2: five record five record players make him compete, and I
[5:09] Speaker 2: had to just dance in front of each one and
[5:11] Speaker 2: amuse him and his friends. No, this is not at all.
[5:14] Speaker 2: So he would just be playing Frank Sinatra, and to
[5:16] Speaker 2: me that was like the height of cool. Basically it
[5:18] Speaker 2: was Motown and the Rapack. Those are the two ideas
[5:20] Speaker 2: of cool.
[5:21] Speaker 3: Sorr, I'm just dance. What did you do to comphony of
[5:26] Speaker 3: all these competing songs? Dance there?
[5:28] Speaker 2: Come on, your uncle wants to see you move. So
[5:32] Speaker 2: but like, I have no idea what other people like,
[5:34] Speaker 2: how they view like Frank Sinatra. To me, he is America.
[5:37] Speaker 2: But what is he to you? Like, when I say
[5:38] Speaker 2: Frank Snatcher, what do you think of.
[5:41] Speaker 3: I think of Las Vegas most certainly, and I kind
[5:44] Speaker 3: of was he like a Palm Springs fixture.
[5:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, late later in life, a house of.
[5:48] Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra that I always think of, where he's like
[5:51] Speaker 3: in like a Kashmir Cardigan.
[5:54] Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, that's late life Frank swanming around. So
[5:57] Speaker 2: you know, like sixties peak Frank, late life Frank. Did
[6:00] Speaker 2: you know anything of like, you know, Academy Award winning
[6:02] Speaker 2: fifties Ava Gardner, Frank or forties Tommy Dorsey's Okay, So
[6:09] Speaker 2: do you think of him as being like a central
[6:11] Speaker 2: figure in American history? Oh? Certainly, Okay, Yeah, that's good
[6:14] Speaker 2: because he was, you know, he helps get Kennedy elected?
[6:16] Speaker 3: Is that the right answer?
[6:17] Speaker 2: What if I said no, I would have just gotten
[6:19] Speaker 2: up and left.
[6:20] Speaker 3: Thank god I answered correctly no.
[6:23] Speaker 2: But like you know, like, and I want everybody who's
[6:25] Speaker 2: unaware that it seems silly, but Frank Snatcher was a
[6:28] Speaker 2: central figure of American history in so many ways, right,
[6:31] Speaker 2: So keep in mind that's the person that this guy
[6:35] Speaker 2: decides to kidnap his son. Now, what's meet our kidnapper? Yes,
[6:40] Speaker 2: twenty three year old Barry Keenan is a California kid.
[6:44] Speaker 2: Grew up in LA. His father's a stockbroker. Goes to
[6:46] Speaker 2: like UNI High in Santa Monica. He has what we
[6:49] Speaker 2: call a comfortable.
[6:50] Speaker 3: Life, right, yeah, sure.
[6:52] Speaker 2: Post World War two fifties is his childhood.
[6:55] Speaker 3: Ouzsy and Harriet very Ouzzy.
[6:56] Speaker 2: And Harriet very much like you know La during the
[6:59] Speaker 2: boom the aerospace industry. So it's just like, oh, go
[7:02] Speaker 2: go and jets anyway.
[7:04] Speaker 3: So jets.
[7:06] Speaker 2: He's like best friends is with Dean Torrance. This is
[7:09] Speaker 2: his kid, right. Dean Torrance turns out to be later
[7:12] Speaker 2: on be the other half of the surf music duo
[7:15] Speaker 2: Jan and Dean. He's also friends with Nancy Sinatra. These
[7:20] Speaker 2: are the kind of kids he's growing up with. You know,
[7:22] Speaker 2: he's in high school, he just gets you an idea.
[7:24] Speaker 2: He goes off, leaves high school, you know, graduates, goes
[7:26] Speaker 2: to UCLA. He's a bruin, doesn't really have it in
[7:29] Speaker 2: him to do the college life. He's like, I don't
[7:32] Speaker 2: drop out. His dad's like he's not a bruin, and
[7:34] Speaker 2: he's like his father's like, look, son, we need to
[7:37] Speaker 2: get you set up in life. So here's some stock
[7:40] Speaker 2: tips and some money to get you started, and why
[7:42] Speaker 2: don't you go and make yourself a fortune? And he does.
[7:45] Speaker 2: The dude goes out, he digs money from his dad.
[7:47] Speaker 2: At age twenty one, he's the youngest member of the
[7:50] Speaker 2: LA Stock Exchange.
[7:51] Speaker 3: Wow.
[7:51] Speaker 2: By age twenty two, he is now a real estate developer.
[7:55] Speaker 3: Dang Barry.
[7:55] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Barry is killing it right, But unfortunately life
[8:00] Speaker 2: it's all about change. So Barry has a real early
[8:03] Speaker 2: peak and then crashes, real hard, real quick. Right. It's
[8:06] Speaker 2: a lot of stress. You know. He's going to leading
[8:08] Speaker 2: a go go active lifestyle, a busy on mygal lifestyle,
[8:11] Speaker 2: and it just couldn't keep up. So he starts to
[8:14] Speaker 2: lose money and then that leads to basically stress, which
[8:18] Speaker 2: leads to an episode of mental illness, and he starts drinking.
[8:20] Speaker 2: He starts doing more drugs. He gets injured. They gets
[8:23] Speaker 2: in a car accident after a dog runs across the street,
[8:25] Speaker 2: and then he starts having to do Perkidan. So he's
[8:27] Speaker 2: trying to, like, you know, manage the pain. It's very common.
[8:30] Speaker 2: You hear about it now. But back then people weren't
[8:32] Speaker 2: really thinking about him as the victim. It's just like, oh,
[8:34] Speaker 2: now you got a drug problem, bro. So anyway, while
[8:37] Speaker 2: he's dealing with all of this, his father starts losing
[8:40] Speaker 2: his fortune. Oh yes, it gets real bad. So he decides, oh, man,
[8:44] Speaker 2: I need to do something to save myself, save my family.
[8:47] Speaker 2: You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get two
[8:50] Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand dollars. That's what I need. He
[8:53] Speaker 2: just picks this number, two hundred and forty thousand dollars. Now,
[8:55] Speaker 2: it just to translate, that's about two million dollars in
[8:58] Speaker 2: today's money.
[8:59] Speaker 3: I think those people would be like, you know what
[9:01] Speaker 3: I need. I just need two million dollars to get
[9:03] Speaker 3: everything running on track.
[9:04] Speaker 2: My family be saved, I'd be saved. Mam would just
[9:07] Speaker 2: finally smile, Dad would finally talk to her.
[9:09] Speaker 3: Again, would finally loved me. Exactly two million.
[9:13] Speaker 2: Also, by the way, you have to keep in mind
[9:15] Speaker 2: old Barry. Remember I said thing about the little bit
[9:17] Speaker 2: of an episode of mental illness. God told him his
[9:20] Speaker 2: plan of how to get this money. So he's like,
[9:22] Speaker 2: I need two to forty thousand dollars. He puts the
[9:24] Speaker 2: prayers up, and God's like, I hear you, Barry, here's
[9:26] Speaker 2: the answer.
[9:27] Speaker 3: So did he have like auditory hallucinations you think.
[9:30] Speaker 2: I don't know if it's internal, like you know, if
[9:32] Speaker 2: he was hearing God's voice, like the little voice inside
[9:34] Speaker 2: and saying that's God telling him, or if you's literally
[9:36] Speaker 2: hearing your voice outside of himself.
[9:38] Speaker 3: He's like, I see, if I see a seagull in
[9:40] Speaker 3: the next five minutes, it means that God wants me
[9:43] Speaker 3: to get twenty fourty.
[9:46] Speaker 2: I wouldn't put that past it.
[9:47] Speaker 3: And then it's all God, God, and like steals his
[9:49] Speaker 3: French fries. He's like, I knew it. God, Thanks God,
[9:51] Speaker 3: thank you so much.
[9:52] Speaker 2: So God's like, here's the plan, Barry. You need a
[9:54] Speaker 2: kid nap a kid. Make the kid somewhere's famous. But
[9:58] Speaker 2: by the way, it can't be a woman, and it
[9:59] Speaker 2: can't be a it's got to be young. When I
[10:01] Speaker 2: say a kid, I'm talking like you know, a swinging cat,
[10:03] Speaker 2: you know.
[10:04] Speaker 3: And he's like, well, I don't want kidnap a kid.
[10:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, first, kidnap a kid now, because it's God, though,
[10:09] Speaker 2: you know, there's always gonna be restrictions. God's like, kidnap
[10:11] Speaker 2: a kid. But here's how you have to do it.
[10:13] Speaker 2: Otherwise I'm gonna be mad. You know what I do
[10:15] Speaker 2: when I get mad? Anyway, that he makes a deal
[10:18] Speaker 2: with God and he's like, all right, let's do this God.
[10:21] Speaker 2: And so now he's like, you know, who do I kidnap?
[10:24] Speaker 2: It's nineteen sixty three, You're looking around. Who would you kidnap?
[10:28] Speaker 2: Whose kid would you kidnap?
[10:29] Speaker 3: Rather? I was I keep thinking of terrible things to say.
[10:35] Speaker 3: Sixty three. I mean, I'm thinking of vulnerable JFK. Junior.
[10:39] Speaker 2: But aside from that, that's a rough one.
[10:41] Speaker 3: I'm so sorry about that. Sixty three. Who would I kidnap?
[10:45] Speaker 3: Maybe Frank Sinatra's kidnap.
[10:47] Speaker 2: I'm taking John Wayne's boy.
[10:49] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, he was as tough in real life.
[10:52] Speaker 2: No, I don't that's what I'm taking his kid. I'm
[10:54] Speaker 2: thinking he would pay through the nose. I'd take him
[10:56] Speaker 2: to Mexican couple come find me, broh.
[10:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta go with the cash and maybe not
[11:00] Speaker 3: the swiftest.
[11:01] Speaker 2: No, and somebody who's gonna be a little bit like scared.
[11:03] Speaker 2: But then also maybe like FBI is need to get
[11:05] Speaker 2: involved to like complicate things so I can like get
[11:07] Speaker 2: them thinking they're gonna help them, he thinks, and then
[11:09] Speaker 2: I just you know, here's your kid back, and I
[11:10] Speaker 2: take the money. So Barry, he's like, okay, nineteen sixty three,
[11:16] Speaker 2: I need to get someone famous. It's got to be
[11:18] Speaker 2: a kid. But it can't be a baby, can't be
[11:21] Speaker 2: a woman. I know Bob Hope's kid. I'll take a
[11:24] Speaker 2: child Tony Hope. Yeah, Tony Hope, that's Bob Hope's kid.
[11:29] Speaker 3: Anyway, I learned Tony Hawk's stunt double Tony Hope.
[11:32] Speaker 2: Bro So Tony Hope is like, you know this, you know, nice,
[11:37] Speaker 2: nice enough kid. He thinks he's probably worth you at
[11:39] Speaker 2: least two hundred and forty thousand dollars, right sure. And
[11:42] Speaker 2: he's like, but you know what, Bob hopes, he's a
[11:44] Speaker 2: g He's like over there in Vietnam. I guess you know, Maggie,
[11:47] Speaker 2: this would be Vietnam, over there entertaining the troops. You know,
[11:50] Speaker 2: he's an all American guy. I can't take his kid.
[11:52] Speaker 2: He doesn't need that hassle.
[11:53] Speaker 3: And the man knows how to wheeld a golf club.
[11:56] Speaker 2: This is very true. So he's like, you know, I
[11:58] Speaker 2: need somebody who's a little tougher, who can take it,
[12:00] Speaker 2: who understands how the world is, And if I take
[12:02] Speaker 2: the kid, they won't just crumble and fall to pieces.
[12:05] Speaker 2: So he's like, you know, who can do it, Frank Sinatra,
[12:07] Speaker 2: I'm taking his boy.
[12:09] Speaker 3: Wow.
[12:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, But you have to understand this is interesting because
[12:13] Speaker 2: he grew up with Sinatras. Oh yeah, right now.
[12:16] Speaker 3: He grew up in Nancy Sinatra, and he heard boots
[12:18] Speaker 3: were made for walking.
[12:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just what they're gonna do.
[12:21] Speaker 3: One of these days. These boots won't walk all over you, buddy.
[12:23] Speaker 2: Oh, let me watch my step. So Nancy Sinatra is
[12:28] Speaker 2: so tight with this dude Berry, she would like have
[12:30] Speaker 2: him in the car that Frank would drive. So Frank
[12:33] Speaker 2: would drive like Nancy and her girlfriends down to like
[12:35] Speaker 2: a party or whatever, and he would be in the car.
[12:38] Speaker 3: So he was Frank.
[12:40] Speaker 2: He's that close to the family. He's not just like
[12:42] Speaker 2: I see him occasially at my school. He's like, I'm
[12:44] Speaker 2: in the station.
[12:45] Speaker 3: I wasn't that his first choice? Inside job? Baby? Why
[12:47] Speaker 3: would you go for Bob Hope.
[12:50] Speaker 2: So he decides like, you know, uh, I'm gonna I'm
[12:53] Speaker 2: gonna get this kid. I know where he is. This
[12:55] Speaker 2: shouldn't be too hard and Frank can take it. He's tough,
[12:58] Speaker 2: he's a he understands, you know, because basically, remember he's
[13:02] Speaker 2: got a deal with God. But he also very Keenan
[13:05] Speaker 2: thinks of this as a business deal. He's like, hey, Frank,
[13:07] Speaker 2: he knows the mob, he knows how. It's a business deal.
[13:10] Speaker 2: It's not personal.
[13:11] Speaker 3: He went to he's in his early twenties or mid
[13:13] Speaker 3: twenties at this point. He goes to school with Nancy.
[13:17] Speaker 3: How old is the boy? He's nineteen, so he's not
[13:21] Speaker 3: really a kid.
[13:22] Speaker 2: Well he is in America. No, maybe a son of
[13:25] Speaker 2: wealth is nineteen.
[13:26] Speaker 3: That's a minor.
[13:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking legally. You're you're the daughter of a lawyer.
[13:30] Speaker 2: So you're thinking, oh, he's nineteen, and I'm like, no,
[13:33] Speaker 2: I'm a.
[13:33] Speaker 3: I'm also thinking it nineteen. I don't know a nineteen
[13:36] Speaker 3: year old man.
[13:37] Speaker 2: Well, well, you know, basically, if he say nineteen year
[13:42] Speaker 2: old man, it just doesn't me.
[13:43] Speaker 3: I like, I like describing it, all right.
[13:46] Speaker 2: I have you ever seen a picture of he looked
[13:47] Speaker 2: because his father was very baby faced when he was
[13:50] Speaker 2: very young, and he followed in his father's footsteps of
[13:53] Speaker 2: being very baby faced. So if you look at them,
[13:54] Speaker 2: he looks like a teenager.
[13:56] Speaker 3: So I like imagine him babyface, meaning he's bald and
[13:59] Speaker 3: has one curl, Yeah, the top of.
[14:00] Speaker 2: His head like the baby, and he's wearing a suit
[14:03] Speaker 2: and there's the baby's head in the passive fire.
[14:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like that's.
[14:08] Speaker 2: Like he's on the edge of tears all the time
[14:10] Speaker 2: that he's looking around for. Yeah, he's moody right now.
[14:16] Speaker 3: He's a diaper change.
[14:18] Speaker 2: So my man, Barry Hewan, he's got his plans set,
[14:21] Speaker 2: he's got his target set. He's decided Frank can take it.
[14:24] Speaker 2: So now it is time to put his plan into action.
[14:28] Speaker 2: And I'll tell you all about that after this short break. Okay,
[14:51] Speaker 2: So Elizabeth, yes, you're an amateur kidnapper.
[14:54] Speaker 3: I'm an amateur pretty much.
[14:56] Speaker 2: But let's say you're looking to go pro as a kidnapper. Okay,
[14:59] Speaker 2: where would you turn? What would you what would be
[15:00] Speaker 2: your first move?
[15:02] Speaker 3: I want to go pro as a kidnapper.
[15:05] Speaker 2: You want to get paid? Get that brad Son? Where
[15:08] Speaker 2: you How are you gonna do it?
[15:09] Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. I maybe like try and
[15:14] Speaker 3: get a mentorship, going find apply for an apprenticeship program,
[15:20] Speaker 3: with another kidnapping outfit.
[15:21] Speaker 2: Is there a kidnapper guild?
[15:23] Speaker 3: Everything? You know?
[15:24] Speaker 2: Well, Barry goes to the library.
[15:26] Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's okay.
[15:28] Speaker 2: Right, He reads books, he reads newspaper articles. He really
[15:31] Speaker 2: focuses on j Edgar Hoover in the article because back
[15:34] Speaker 2: then Jaeger Hoover was writing newspaper articles because he was
[15:37] Speaker 2: trying to win over the populace to the idea of
[15:39] Speaker 2: the FBI. So in the thirties and the forties, he's
[15:41] Speaker 2: writing updates about like, you know, shootouts with bank robbers
[15:44] Speaker 2: and like, oh, we almost got a you know, top
[15:46] Speaker 2: machine gun, Kelly, we're after Babyface Nelson and he got away.
[15:50] Speaker 2: And then he's like, this is why you need the FBI, right,
[15:52] Speaker 2: And then also they have like the g Man on
[15:53] Speaker 2: the radio. It's like a whole advertising campaign for the
[15:56] Speaker 2: FBI essentially. Anyway, he loves these articles.
[16:00] Speaker 3: Berry's just hitting the microfiche.
[16:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the microfiche in the library, going give
[16:05] Speaker 2: me all the Jagger Hooper I can get, right, But
[16:07] Speaker 2: he doesn't just limit himself to Hoover. He also goes
[16:09] Speaker 2: all the way back to a real high point of
[16:12] Speaker 2: kidnapping biblical time, is this where.
[16:15] Speaker 3: He gets the notion of God telling him no, God
[16:17] Speaker 3: already told them that. Let me hit the reference book.
[16:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me check the blueprint. So he's like, well,
[16:24] Speaker 2: he wants to know, like basically why kidnapping works, but
[16:27] Speaker 2: importantly why it also fails. He wants to know, like
[16:29] Speaker 2: when kidnappings have gone wrong. Smart guy, smart guy. I mean,
[16:33] Speaker 2: you know, for somebody who's like, you know, edging on reality,
[16:35] Speaker 2: it's a smart approach. So once he schooled on kidnapping
[16:40] Speaker 2: and he feels like I got to handle on that,
[16:41] Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, now I need some money. So where
[16:44] Speaker 2: is he gonna go? Where are you gonna go to get.
[16:47] Speaker 3: Some money to fund my kidnapping?
[16:49] Speaker 2: Exactly? It's a tough one. He can't go to the
[16:50] Speaker 2: bank for a loan, So.
[16:51] Speaker 3: Get a job at a soda fountain and hard work
[16:54] Speaker 3: and bootstraps. I don't know, rob.
[16:57] Speaker 2: Somebody October in nineteen sixty three, He's like, let me
[16:59] Speaker 2: hitt my best friend.
[17:01] Speaker 3: Wait yan, but hold on, how great would it be
[17:03] Speaker 3: if he broke into Sinatra's house and stole money in
[17:06] Speaker 3: order to sell the kidnapping of his kid Just putting
[17:10] Speaker 3: that out there Barry has a missed opportunity.
[17:12] Speaker 2: I'll just put something else out there. You just wait,
[17:14] Speaker 2: oh boy till October nineteen sixty three, calls up his
[17:18] Speaker 2: friend Dean Torrents of Jan and Dean. He's like, Dean,
[17:22] Speaker 2: my man, I got a business opportunity for you.
[17:25] Speaker 3: Dean's like, too busy right in surf him.
[17:28] Speaker 2: No, He's like, because you have to understand. Remember when
[17:30] Speaker 2: I said he became an investment broker, and at twenty
[17:33] Speaker 2: one and so forth he was given He was taking
[17:36] Speaker 2: his parents' money, his friend's parents' money, his friend's money,
[17:39] Speaker 2: and making money for them on investments. He made a
[17:41] Speaker 2: ton of money for Dean Torrance because Dean Torrents had
[17:43] Speaker 2: money after making poppets like Surf City. So he's like, oh,
[17:46] Speaker 2: I'll take that invest it. So Deane's like, do you
[17:49] Speaker 2: want to do? What is it? He's like actually curious
[17:51] Speaker 2: to know, and he's like, I got this great new
[17:53] Speaker 2: business plan. You're gonna love it. It's a big money earner. Right.
[17:56] Speaker 2: So Barry's like, hey, Dean, meet me at USC and
[17:59] Speaker 2: he's like all right. So they meet over there and
[18:02] Speaker 2: he's like, Okay, now I'm going to tell you this plan,
[18:04] Speaker 2: but hear me out, don't interrupt me, just wait till
[18:07] Speaker 2: the end, then interrupt with whatever you got to say.
[18:10] Speaker 3: This is like when you tell me a story exactly.
[18:12] Speaker 2: I'm like, just wait till the end. So he's like, Okay,
[18:15] Speaker 2: here's the plan. He lays it out to him. I'm
[18:17] Speaker 2: gonna take Frank Sinatra's son and I'm gonna ransom him off,
[18:20] Speaker 2: and I'm gonna make a bunch of money and then
[18:22] Speaker 2: we'll all be fabulously wealthy and I'll save my family.
[18:24] Speaker 2: He's like, this is your plan. Okay, No, he's like,
[18:28] Speaker 2: you know, to be quite honest, he kind of like
[18:31] Speaker 2: plays along and I quote, yes, that all sounds great, Berry,
[18:35] Speaker 2: very entertaining. But what happens if you get caught. That's
[18:39] Speaker 2: a reasonable thing, right, It's like the most honest question,
[18:41] Speaker 2: the best question to ask. Barry has an answer. He's like,
[18:43] Speaker 2: I'm prepared for that, bro well, Dean, and I quote,
[18:47] Speaker 2: I'm not going to get caught. That's not part of
[18:50] Speaker 2: the plan. I'll have such an iron clad alibi.
[18:54] Speaker 3: My plan if I get caught is just tonight, not
[18:56] Speaker 3: get caught.
[18:57] Speaker 2: I've got that checks taken care of. So he's like Okay,
[19:01] Speaker 2: well lay it on me. What's your alibi? And he's like, well,
[19:03] Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna go to uh you see La
[19:06] Speaker 2: Bruins game, and everybody will see me there and then
[19:09] Speaker 2: they can just say that's where I was. He's like,
[19:11] Speaker 2: that's your plan. Okay, all fifty thousand people are gonna
[19:14] Speaker 2: be your eyewitnesses. Deal. So Dean's like, you know what,
[19:18] Speaker 2: and I quote, I'll tell you what. This is too
[19:21] Speaker 2: bizarre for me to even relate to, but I will
[19:23] Speaker 2: give you five hundred bucks. Now you try to get
[19:25] Speaker 2: your life together and let me know how things go.
[19:28] Speaker 2: So Dean, also, by the way, has he's like, you
[19:30] Speaker 2: think like he has never spoken about this publicly. He has.
[19:33] Speaker 2: He's willing to talk about the time he financed Franks
[19:35] Speaker 2: an under juniors kid down and he recalls and I quote,
[19:39] Speaker 2: I don't think I ever took him seriously. It was
[19:41] Speaker 2: so insane. Yeah, that's like kind of his defense.
[19:43] Speaker 3: Got this like friend who's not all there.
[19:45] Speaker 2: And kind of it's his best friend from high school.
[19:48] Speaker 2: So he's like, look, I'm doing well well in surf music.
[19:51] Speaker 2: You used to be doing well with the baby.
[19:54] Speaker 3: Get you back on me alone.
[19:55] Speaker 2: Yeah. So then He's like, Okay, now I got my money,
[19:58] Speaker 2: got my steed money, got five hundred bucks. Now it's
[20:00] Speaker 2: time to put my plan into actions. He's like, I
[20:03] Speaker 2: need to go get a team together. His first ask
[20:05] Speaker 2: old high school buddy Joe.
[20:07] Speaker 3: Amslon Barry's eleven.
[20:09] Speaker 2: Totally Barry's eleven. The dude is an Abalony Diver, professional boxer.
[20:13] Speaker 3: Wait, that's the most amazing peak California employment. I saved
[20:18] Speaker 3: that that resume. What do you do? Abaloni Diver, also
[20:23] Speaker 3: a professional boxer.
[20:25] Speaker 2: By the way, really struggling with the employment. His wife's like, look,
[20:29] Speaker 2: you get a job or you get out, so and uh,
[20:33] Speaker 2: my man, Barry's like, hey, man, I got a one
[20:35] Speaker 2: hundred bucks a week. If you want to be part
[20:37] Speaker 2: of my heist, He's like, cool, I'm into it, right,
[20:41] Speaker 2: So he agrees to the heights for one hundred dollars
[20:42] Speaker 2: a week.
[20:43] Speaker 3: Then he's like five weeks of employment.
[20:46] Speaker 2: He's like, I need also somebody who cues a tough guy, right,
[20:50] Speaker 2: somebody who can, like, you know, really bring this home.
[20:52] Speaker 2: So he's like, oh, I know my mom's ex boyfriend.
[20:55] Speaker 3: Oh he brought it home.
[20:57] Speaker 2: So he's this forty two year old World War ti veteran,
[21:00] Speaker 2: a navy man, and he's like, hey, John Irwan, you
[21:03] Speaker 2: want to help me. Kid have Frank Sinatris Junior. And
[21:05] Speaker 2: he's like, hmmm, well, how much is in in it
[21:09] Speaker 2: for me? He's like he tells them on hundred bucks
[21:12] Speaker 2: a week. He's like, all right, I'm.
[21:14] Speaker 3: Now we're down to two and a half weeks.
[21:16] Speaker 2: Of employment exactly. Well, this is our team. So they're like, okay,
[21:20] Speaker 2: let's get to it now. Their first attempt is that month.
[21:23] Speaker 2: They decide in October nineteen sixty three, we need to
[21:25] Speaker 2: go grab You can't pay him that You've done the math,
[21:28] Speaker 2: it's right there. So he's like, all right, I need
[21:30] Speaker 2: to move. But he's got a problem. Barry's got kind
[21:34] Speaker 2: of a big problem.
[21:35] Speaker 3: He fell in love, oh Berry.
[21:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's wondering, how do I tell my girl
[21:39] Speaker 2: that I'm gonna steal Frank Sinatris son and make us
[21:42] Speaker 2: some big money. She may not be into that, that may
[21:45] Speaker 2: scare her away, that may be what the kids of
[21:47] Speaker 2: the future will call her red flag. I don't know.
[21:49] Speaker 3: That would be the best Reddit Relationships post from either
[21:54] Speaker 3: one of them.
[21:55] Speaker 2: Because I want to steal Frank Sinatra.
[21:57] Speaker 3: Junior it would be like Reddit relationship, like my boyfriend
[22:01] Speaker 3: keeps disappearing for periods of time and I think he's cheating,
[22:05] Speaker 3: and then the update, well it turns out he was
[22:07] Speaker 3: trying to kidnap Frank Sinatra, not cheating.
[22:11] Speaker 2: So his girlfriend Pam surprises us. All she's into it.
[22:15] Speaker 3: She's like what, oh, Pam's a writer.
[22:18] Speaker 2: Let's get that dude. I'm telling you, I'll drive right.
[22:21] Speaker 2: So they're like all lined up and they go heading
[22:24] Speaker 2: over to Arizona because Frank Sinatra Junior is gonna be
[22:26] Speaker 2: playing the Arizona State Fair.
[22:28] Speaker 3: Wait, playing the Arizona.
[22:29] Speaker 2: Singing he's a musician.
[22:30] Speaker 3: Oh goodness, Oh.
[22:31] Speaker 2: Yes, I forgot to tell you that, following in the
[22:33] Speaker 2: footsteps of his father. He is a musician, and he's
[22:36] Speaker 2: eighteen sensation at nineteen.
[22:38] Speaker 3: It's like he's Shacob Dylan.
[22:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. This is a really good comparison. Actually is
[22:42] Speaker 2: good me. You like, he's like, you know, basically conjuring
[22:46] Speaker 2: that feel and people are like, oh, it's just they love.
[22:49] Speaker 3: This and he's playing the Arizona State Fair.
[22:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a part of a generational issue there, because
[22:54] Speaker 2: you have to remember it's nineteen sixty three, and not
[22:56] Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, you know what I
[22:57] Speaker 2: would love right now is a young Frank Sinatra kind
[23:00] Speaker 2: of missed his window there. His father really hit it though, anyway,
[23:03] Speaker 2: So he uh, Barry, Pam and the gym, and uh,
[23:08] Speaker 2: we've got Jim Irwin.
[23:09] Speaker 3: It sounds like you're making up.
[23:13] Speaker 2: Joe. So Joe John or John Wamsler, John Herwin, Pam
[23:20] Speaker 2: and Barry. They all go cruising over to Arizona, but
[23:23] Speaker 2: they decided to abort mission because Barry he's like, you know,
[23:26] Speaker 2: he's basically freaked out about the fact he touched a
[23:28] Speaker 2: phone and he went to like, do somethings like I
[23:30] Speaker 2: touched the phone, if I left fingerprints, we gotta leave,
[23:34] Speaker 2: and so like, okay, Barry. So then they drive back
[23:37] Speaker 2: to l A and he's like, okay, guys, I know
[23:40] Speaker 2: that that probably didn't seem cool how I freaked out,
[23:42] Speaker 2: but I trust me. I got a really good plan.
[23:45] Speaker 3: Like he basically thought he left this oven.
[23:47] Speaker 2: On exactly, and everyone was like, oh, man, I don't
[23:50] Speaker 2: know about this. He's like, look, we'll grab him here
[23:52] Speaker 2: in l A. And they were like, Barry, I don't know, bro.
[23:54] Speaker 2: He's like, look, guys, trust me, this is gonna happen.
[23:57] Speaker 2: It's gonna be amazing, it's gonna be magical. We're gonna
[23:59] Speaker 2: do this. How about this. Put on your best suit.
[24:01] Speaker 2: We're going to the Ambassador And they're like what It's like, yeah,
[24:03] Speaker 2: do it up, man. So they go and they put
[24:05] Speaker 2: on their best suit. They go down to the Ambassador
[24:07] Speaker 2: Hotel where Frank Sinatra Junior is performing and they get
[24:15] Speaker 2: to watch him headline a like nightclub act, and sitting
[24:19] Speaker 2: a few tables away from them is Frank Sinatra's senior
[24:22] Speaker 2: Dean Martin and Sammy Davis. Do you think that's a
[24:25] Speaker 2: whole rap pack?
[24:26] Speaker 3: That's why people went to that show because they thought
[24:28] Speaker 3: they did, and that's.
[24:29] Speaker 2: Why Frank Sinatra went to that show because that exact
[24:32] Speaker 2: same reason. So anyway, now his guys are like, oh,
[24:35] Speaker 2: it's ordained, we're gonna do it. We're gonna take that
[24:38] Speaker 2: man's son.
[24:38] Speaker 3: That was their seagull sign.
[24:40] Speaker 2: They decided, right, Frank.
[24:42] Speaker 3: Sinatra flies across this room and steals my French fries.
[24:49] Speaker 3: It's on. Remember I'm channeling Barry here.
[24:53] Speaker 2: He's not playing with him. It's amazing. So now remember
[24:57] Speaker 2: their alibi is they're gonna go to a Ucla foot
[25:00] Speaker 2: So they set the day they're gonna kidnap Berry on
[25:03] Speaker 2: a Friday. Go to the UCLA football game on a Saturday.
[25:05] Speaker 2: Everyone will see them. They like, how could they kidnap
[25:07] Speaker 2: them on Friday? If they're at a UCLA game on Saturday, bro.
[25:10] Speaker 3: Nothing can happen twenty four hours exactly.
[25:13] Speaker 2: So that's their plan, and they set the day for Friday,
[25:15] Speaker 2: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Oh yeah, So plans
[25:21] Speaker 2: get interrupted when JFK gets assassinated that day in Dallas.
[25:25] Speaker 3: Oh boy, So.
[25:27] Speaker 2: Frank Sinat Your Junior show gets canceled that night, and
[25:29] Speaker 2: Barry's like, damn it, man, this is not fair. This
[25:32] Speaker 2: is just not fair. So anyway, he's really upset and
[25:36] Speaker 2: he's like, but I'm not gonna give up on the dream.
[25:39] Speaker 2: He's like, I've i refuse. This is my moment, right.
[25:43] Speaker 2: So he's like, Okay, I'm gonna have to go up
[25:45] Speaker 2: to uh Tahoe because he sees that's where Frank Sinatra
[25:49] Speaker 2: Junior is going to be performing in December. He's like, okay,
[25:52] Speaker 2: it's a perfect place to grab He's out there at
[25:53] Speaker 2: the Sierra Nevada Mountains. I can just go up. There's
[25:55] Speaker 2: all those little back roads. I can drive down to Reno,
[25:57] Speaker 2: I can drive down to San Francisco. There's no way
[25:59] Speaker 2: to say stop me. I could go south in the
[26:01] Speaker 2: ninety nine. This is great.
[26:02] Speaker 3: I got December in the in Tahoe. Okay.
[26:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's thinking, you know, he's he's from you know,
[26:07] Speaker 2: down south, so he doesn't really know that it's going
[26:09] Speaker 2: to be most likely snowy, icy. He's not thinking about that, right.
[26:13] Speaker 2: But he calls up his mom's actually he's like, hey,
[26:15] Speaker 2: John Irwin, you want to go up north to Tall.
[26:17] Speaker 2: He's like, bro, I got a job. I gotta, I gotta.
[26:18] Speaker 2: I got work as a house painter. I don't need
[26:20] Speaker 2: your hundred dollars a week. He's like, okay, just don't
[26:22] Speaker 2: tell anyone I'm doing this, Okay. So then he goes.
[26:25] Speaker 2: He grabs up his buddy Abaloney dive return boxer Joe Amslern.
[26:28] Speaker 2: He's like, hey Joe, let's go north. And he's like,
[26:30] Speaker 2: oh man, I can't. My wife's about on me. I
[26:32] Speaker 2: haven't been able to collect in the Abaloney, haven't fought Anyboddy.
[26:35] Speaker 2: I mean just things are tough. And he gets some
[26:37] Speaker 2: work He's like, yeah, there's construction jobs. People are building casinos.
[26:40] Speaker 2: Let's go up to Tahoe. And he's like, all right, bet,
[26:42] Speaker 2: let's go.
[26:43] Speaker 3: He's all, where are your abaloney short shorts?
[26:46] Speaker 2: Exactly. So the finally they drive north and they're going
[26:50] Speaker 2: up there and they get to Tahoe and all of
[26:52] Speaker 2: a sudden, Joe notices on the marque at Harris Casino.
[26:55] Speaker 2: Frank's not your junior now headlining the whatever room. He's like, bro,
[26:59] Speaker 2: what's up with you? Just brought me here to grab
[27:01] Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra Junior. You're not getting construction jobs. He's like, yeah,
[27:04] Speaker 2: that's true. We're doing it, man, we're doing it. So
[27:08] Speaker 2: I will be back in one moment to tell you
[27:11] Speaker 2: the mad cap grabbing of Frank Sinatra Junior. It's December eighth,
[27:37] Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three. We're just weeks after the assassination of JFK.
[27:42] Speaker 2: The nation is mourning, but Frank Sinatra Junior is like,
[27:45] Speaker 2: the show must go on. So he's out there at
[27:47] Speaker 2: Harris Casino getting ready to perform. J Yeah, Frank Sinatra Junior.
[27:51] Speaker 2: So then we enter to the scene Barry and Joe
[27:56] Speaker 2: Amsler Abaloni dive return boxer who sure charts. They pull
[28:00] Speaker 2: up into the Sierra Nevadas and they decide, you know what,
[28:04] Speaker 2: we're gonna do this thing. After they have a little
[28:06] Speaker 2: falling out about the fact that Joe was lied to
[28:08] Speaker 2: by Barry, he's like, all right, I'm here though, let's
[28:11] Speaker 2: do this. So they pull up in their sixty three
[28:13] Speaker 2: Chevy and Paula and now, mind you, they have to
[28:17] Speaker 2: like get his routine down. So like for about a
[28:19] Speaker 2: week they just kind of shade Frank Sinatra Junior. They're like,
[28:22] Speaker 2: you know, tracking them. Now we've spent that week up.
[28:25] Speaker 2: Now we are at December eight, So for the last
[28:28] Speaker 2: week they've been.
[28:29] Speaker 3: There doing the most dangerous game exactly.
[28:33] Speaker 2: Wanted to know all of his routines. Where is anything
[28:35] Speaker 2: he does? Right? So now they got it down. So
[28:36] Speaker 2: they pull up in their sixty three Chevy and Paula,
[28:39] Speaker 2: cut the lights and they go, okay, it's the moment.
[28:41] Speaker 2: Let's do this. He's like, you're ready, Joe, He's like,
[28:44] Speaker 2: I don't think I am. And he's like, well, here's
[28:46] Speaker 2: an unloaded gun, let's do this. I sorry, God, he
[28:51] Speaker 2: gives an unloaded gun. He doesn't trust Joe with bullets,
[28:54] Speaker 2: so then he has bullets in his gun. He's like, hey,
[28:56] Speaker 2: let's go in there. So Barry it's like, you know what,
[28:58] Speaker 2: I got an idea, I'll be a man. So he
[29:00] Speaker 2: takes a wine box, fills up with pine cones he
[29:02] Speaker 2: gathers from like just trees, and goes up and knocks
[29:05] Speaker 2: on the door.
[29:05] Speaker 3: It's like a Martha Stewart.
[29:07] Speaker 2: Yeah. He's like, I gotta delivery.
[29:09] Speaker 3: Exactly here are the pine cones.
[29:10] Speaker 2: Got the pine cones? You know their decorative?
[29:12] Speaker 3: What if he opens the door and Frankie Junior's like, oh,
[29:15] Speaker 3: I've been waiting on those and just like starts chewing
[29:17] Speaker 3: them up.
[29:18] Speaker 2: It's like thank good, Like they.
[29:20] Speaker 3: Didn't know he had noticed that he only eats.
[29:22] Speaker 2: Pine pine cones and that's why he's such a beautiful voice.
[29:25] Speaker 2: So he goes up and he knocks on the door
[29:27] Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, Joe be cool, ready, okay, knock knock,
[29:30] Speaker 2: and then frank stunts Junior rich kid did? He is
[29:32] Speaker 2: like come in? So they push open the door and
[29:35] Speaker 2: walk in with the pine cones like delivery, sir. He's
[29:37] Speaker 2: like set him down over there. He sets him down
[29:39] Speaker 2: and he's like, Joe, come on in, and he tries
[29:41] Speaker 2: to pull out his gun, but he can't get his
[29:42] Speaker 2: gun out of his pocket, so the two of them
[29:44] Speaker 2: are both fumbling. One guy's got the unloaded gun, he's
[29:46] Speaker 2: aiming it at them, the other one's got his gun
[29:48] Speaker 2: into the pocket. Barry finally gets the gun out of
[29:50] Speaker 2: his pocket, forces it into Frank Sinoutter Junior's face and
[29:52] Speaker 2: is like, all right, this is a robbery, right, Because
[29:56] Speaker 2: he's decided he doesn't want it to think it's a kidnapping,
[29:57] Speaker 2: so he doesn't tell him it's a kidnapping. He's like,
[30:00] Speaker 2: don't make any noise and nobody will get hurt. And
[30:02] Speaker 2: he just keeps repeating this over and over again, and
[30:04] Speaker 2: Junior is like, okay, now, mind you. I left at
[30:06] Speaker 2: a key detail. When they burst into the room, Frank Sinatra,
[30:09] Speaker 2: Junior and his trumpet player, this guy Fast. They're hanging
[30:14] Speaker 2: out in their underwear eating fried chicken.
[30:17] Speaker 3: As you do.
[30:18] Speaker 2: You know, just before the show was trying to sea
[30:23] Speaker 2: draws your trumpet player eating some fried chicken.
[30:25] Speaker 3: That sounds lovely, right, So.
[30:26] Speaker 2: They're just sitting there now in their underwear, eating fried chicken,
[30:29] Speaker 2: with guns in their faces.
[30:31] Speaker 3: Eating they do.
[30:33] Speaker 2: He literally continues he takes a bite of thigh. He's like,
[30:36] Speaker 2: what's going on, man, that's incredible. So then he's like, look,
[30:39] Speaker 2: give us some money, and he's like, no, he's made
[30:41] Speaker 2: the terrible mistake of trying to rob musicians. The trumpet
[30:43] Speaker 2: players like, bro, I don't got any.
[30:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, I got good luck wear.
[30:49] Speaker 2: You don't want to know why. So he's like, I
[30:51] Speaker 2: got twenty bucks. Frank's and not juniors like here, I
[30:53] Speaker 2: got twenty bucks. And then the reason why they decided
[30:55] Speaker 2: to rob him is because Barry is spent up all
[30:57] Speaker 2: their money. They don't have gas money to make it
[30:59] Speaker 2: back to La. They need this monch. So then once
[31:03] Speaker 2: they get done robbing him, then they go okay, now
[31:05] Speaker 2: back to kidnapping.
[31:06] Speaker 3: So they go, okay, this is a side quest.
[31:10] Speaker 2: I'm it's amazing. So they tell the dude Foss, the
[31:13] Speaker 2: trumpet player, Look, you're gonna stay here. Bro, we're gonna
[31:15] Speaker 2: tie you up ten minutes after we leave, you can
[31:18] Speaker 2: go tell people that we took Frank Sinat your junior.
[31:20] Speaker 3: He's like, you tie him up with a ten minute yeah, limit. Yeah,
[31:24] Speaker 3: So it happens after ten minutes.
[31:26] Speaker 2: I don't know. They just wanted a head start. So
[31:29] Speaker 2: they thought he's a man of dignity and honor.
[31:31] Speaker 3: He's not gonna get caught because he's not gonna get
[31:33] Speaker 3: caught exactly.
[31:35] Speaker 2: This is all part of the plan. I don't know
[31:36] Speaker 2: why you have questions. So they shuffle Frank's not your
[31:39] Speaker 2: junior out of the room. They go and they take
[31:41] Speaker 2: him down to the sixty three Chevy and Paul toss
[31:43] Speaker 2: him in back blindfold them. They get ready to go
[31:45] Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, forgot the gun. He has to
[31:49] Speaker 2: go back upstairs fetch his gun. And he sees that
[31:51] Speaker 2: Foss is like trying to get free, like, bro, I
[31:53] Speaker 2: thought I told you. He's like, okay, look, just give
[31:55] Speaker 2: me five minutes. And he goes like okay, I'll give
[31:57] Speaker 2: you five minutes. Like O cool. So then he leaves.
[31:59] Speaker 2: He's exactly. So then they go run back downstairs and
[32:04] Speaker 2: he's like all cool. And they get in the car
[32:06] Speaker 2: and Joe is not taking off, Joe stowing the car
[32:08] Speaker 2: sitting there. Joe's like, man, we got really got to
[32:10] Speaker 2: get out of here. So they're like, oh cool, and
[32:13] Speaker 2: he's like, hey, Frank's not your junior. Be cool, bro,
[32:16] Speaker 2: just just be cool. And he's like, what's going on.
[32:18] Speaker 2: You guys rob me and you kidnapped, but what's really
[32:20] Speaker 2: going on. It's like, so this is a quote from
[32:23] Speaker 2: Barry and I quote. We're in the car maybe three
[32:27] Speaker 2: or four minutes. I say, Frank, what we should do
[32:29] Speaker 2: is make you look like you're drunk. So here, take
[32:32] Speaker 2: these sleeping pills, numb you tall to be precise, take
[32:35] Speaker 2: a swig of this whiskey. And Frank, he was very cooperative.
[32:38] Speaker 3: I love this. That's for so many reasons. One what
[32:43] Speaker 3: we should do is kidnappers kidnapping is makes you look drunk,
[32:48] Speaker 3: like He's gonna be like, oh yeah, Tot's like that,
[32:50] Speaker 3: let's do. And then they're like, here, take the take
[32:53] Speaker 3: these pills and some whiskey. He's like, don't go ask exactly.
[32:59] Speaker 2: And the Franks at Junior did have to be kind
[33:01] Speaker 2: of like convinced because they told him, look, we got
[33:03] Speaker 2: these guns and if anything happens, if cops show up,
[33:05] Speaker 2: there'll be gunfire and you might get shot by the cops.
[33:08] Speaker 2: We don't want that to happen. He's like, that's true,
[33:10] Speaker 2: give me the booze, right, But.
[33:11] Speaker 3: If I'm like kidnapped and shoved in the back of
[33:13] Speaker 3: a really cool looking sixties three well, I imagine brand new.
[33:16] Speaker 3: They shoved me in there and they've got guns in
[33:18] Speaker 3: my face. I'm going to say, can I have those
[33:21] Speaker 3: pills in that whiskey? Because I just want to check
[33:23] Speaker 3: out on this one right now.
[33:24] Speaker 2: That's what Joe Antler's doing.
[33:25] Speaker 3: Kill myself. But I'm like, I, I you know, lights
[33:30] Speaker 3: out London. I want to go to sleep. I don't
[33:32] Speaker 3: want to see this, and then you can deal with
[33:34] Speaker 3: my limp body as you try and move me around.
[33:37] Speaker 2: Just pour me in the foot well and I'll be fine.
[33:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So did Joe hit up the pills and whiskey.
[33:42] Speaker 2: Yeah. Joe and Frank are passing back through at the
[33:44] Speaker 2: bottle because they're both a little tense right now, right,
[33:46] Speaker 2: they're just he's not sure this is going to go.
[33:48] Speaker 3: Well, this is amazing.
[33:49] Speaker 2: So Foster the trumpet player works himself free. He runs
[33:52] Speaker 2: down to the manager. He's like, look, they grab Frank's
[33:53] Speaker 2: not your junior. Manager's like, what was he going to
[33:56] Speaker 2: get killed?
[33:57] Speaker 3: Was he still eating a piece of chicken?
[33:59] Speaker 2: I got his teeth, Like, I'm telling him everyone, just second,
[34:02] Speaker 2: this is some good chicken. So anyway, if the manager
[34:04] Speaker 2: calls to the you know, the sheriff. The Sheriff's like, what,
[34:07] Speaker 2: I'm gonna get killed by Frank Sinatra. So everyone's afraid
[34:09] Speaker 2: of getting killed by Frank Sinatra. So they shut down
[34:11] Speaker 2: the roads, they shut down the freeway. He has all
[34:13] Speaker 2: these deputies going like block off any exits and they
[34:16] Speaker 2: do it fast enough. He's like, I want you boys
[34:19] Speaker 2: out there because I don't think they got out of
[34:20] Speaker 2: the out of this area. There's no way. It's only
[34:22] Speaker 2: been like five ten minutes. So he sends his guys,
[34:24] Speaker 2: I was sawed off shotguns and pistols into the dark
[34:27] Speaker 2: and cold, and goes go find me the kidnappers of
[34:29] Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra Junior, and uh. The sheriff is right of
[34:32] Speaker 2: one thing. They have not left the area.
[34:37] Speaker 3: They all take pills.
[34:38] Speaker 2: No pull over. Barry's like, you know what, man, I
[34:41] Speaker 2: told you. I got the plan. I thought of everything.
[34:43] Speaker 2: He says, I just need to put these snow chains on.
[34:45] Speaker 3: Oh my god.
[34:47] Speaker 2: He does, but he gets the snow chains on you.
[34:50] Speaker 2: They're driving along and they're like he notices in the
[34:53] Speaker 2: distance these headlights and he's like, oh, that's a police roadblock.
[34:56] Speaker 2: So he pulls over. He's like, I just need the
[34:57] Speaker 2: time to think. Guys, I didn't think about this part.
[35:00] Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, that's cool. Cool. He's like, okay,
[35:03] Speaker 2: here's my plan. The cops think that there are three
[35:06] Speaker 2: people because one's one is Frank Sinatra and the two
[35:09] Speaker 2: are the kidnappers, so they're looking for a car with
[35:11] Speaker 2: three people. Joe, you need to get out, okay. Now, meanwhile,
[35:17] Speaker 2: a blizzard has started to fall. The snow is gone.
[35:19] Speaker 2: There's like a light snow at first, and now it's
[35:22] Speaker 2: starting to build. Now we're getting actual blizzard conditions. And
[35:24] Speaker 2: he's like, Joe, run out into the blizzard.
[35:26] Speaker 3: And Joe is in his abaloney hunting outfits.
[35:29] Speaker 2: He's like barefoot and a good whiskey drunk at.
[35:33] Speaker 3: This and that's it, and he's slurring his speech, so he's.
[35:36] Speaker 2: Like, okay, he runs out into the knife, right. So
[35:42] Speaker 2: then Barry gets out starts working on the car tire chains,
[35:45] Speaker 2: and then these cops pull up. They're like hey. Harry's like,
[35:53] Speaker 2: what's going on, officer? And the cops are like, hey, man, uh,
[35:56] Speaker 2: what are you doing. He's like, oh, just fixing my
[35:58] Speaker 2: chains car. Dre's like oh yeah, just out looking for
[36:00] Speaker 2: some people. And then he's like cool. And then the
[36:02] Speaker 2: cops get back in their protrol car and drive down.
[36:04] Speaker 3: The road just out looking for some people.
[36:06] Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, but you're not it apparently, So Barry's like, hey,
[36:09] Speaker 2: Frank junior, nice job. But he playing along.
[36:12] Speaker 3: You're like, I'm just drool all down exactly. He's soiled himself.
[36:20] Speaker 2: He's like, okay, now we need to get out of here.
[36:22] Speaker 2: And so Frank's on a junior's like, well, what about
[36:24] Speaker 2: Joe And he's like okay, fine, way, Frank's not your
[36:29] Speaker 2: seniors worriting about the kidnapper. He's like, we need to
[36:31] Speaker 2: go save Joe. He's like, okay, fine, Frank, calm down his.
[36:35] Speaker 3: Drug and induced he thinks of Joe.
[36:38] Speaker 2: Yeah. So he gets out there, he's like oh screaming
[36:41] Speaker 2: and shouting into the darkness and he's like hey, hey,
[36:43] Speaker 2: and then Joe comes running back. Joe's like, oh, man,
[36:47] Speaker 2: I ran into a fence post. I knocked myself house
[36:49] Speaker 2: for a while.
[36:50] Speaker 3: Stop it. Yeah, did he legitimately.
[36:53] Speaker 2: Ran into the fence post knocked himself out. Then he
[36:56] Speaker 2: comes to and then runs back when hears his name
[36:57] Speaker 2: being shouted into the darkness.
[36:59] Speaker 3: So then this is a con brother exactly.
[37:01] Speaker 2: So then he gets backed. He's like, look, we got
[37:03] Speaker 2: the same problem, though, Joe. You can't be here. You
[37:05] Speaker 2: gotta be in the trunk. He's like, but I'm so cool,
[37:08] Speaker 2: and he's like, to get in the trunk, Joe. Joe's
[37:10] Speaker 2: like okay. So Joe gets in the trunk. Now they're
[37:12] Speaker 2: got his drive down to a roadblock and then he's
[37:15] Speaker 2: like hey, officers, and this cops is like, pull that
[37:18] Speaker 2: his shotguns. You get out of that car. Because he
[37:20] Speaker 2: doesn't know that these He just sees a car coming
[37:22] Speaker 2: at him and he's like, yeah, they decided this must
[37:24] Speaker 2: be the kidnappers. And then and you know, Berry's like, hey, man,
[37:27] Speaker 2: cool down. I don't know what the problem is. We
[37:29] Speaker 2: already got searched. And there's other cops like, oh, yeah,
[37:32] Speaker 2: I searched him, don't worry about it. He's like, I
[37:34] Speaker 2: don't know about that. He's like, no, I don't care.
[37:36] Speaker 2: I'm gonna search you again. He's like, you can't do that, man.
[37:39] Speaker 2: He's like the other cops like it's cool man. He's like,
[37:41] Speaker 2: all right, let him go.
[37:43] Speaker 3: What is going on? When people just tell someone something
[37:45] Speaker 3: and it becomes true.
[37:46] Speaker 2: Exactly that's how it works. Wow. Now they're off to
[37:50] Speaker 2: LA and uh, you know, they get into the dark
[37:53] Speaker 2: of the night as the blizzard is falling, and they
[37:55] Speaker 2: turn on the radio and they hear Frank's not your junior,
[37:57] Speaker 2: it's been kidnapped. And then the news is He's like, wait,
[38:00] Speaker 2: you guys kidnap me, man, I thought we were just
[38:02] Speaker 2: on a road trip. He doesn't quite understand what's happening
[38:05] Speaker 2: to him, right, So then Frank Sinatra has to listen
[38:08] Speaker 2: to his dad because they're playing Frank Sinatra music because
[38:10] Speaker 2: his son's been kidnapped. So then he just listen to
[38:12] Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra tunes that they drive south in California and
[38:15] Speaker 2: they've gotten away with it. So what comes next, I'll
[38:17] Speaker 2: tell you after this very very short break. So what
[38:39] Speaker 2: comes next? Well, for these three young men, it's basically
[38:41] Speaker 2: a road trip south. I mean they're having some fun.
[38:43] Speaker 2: They're chucking down some pills or drinking some boos or
[38:45] Speaker 2: listening to Sinatra tunes. It's basically like that scene from Swingers.
[38:48] Speaker 2: It's just like all right. So then they get back
[38:50] Speaker 2: to LA and reality finally sets in for poor Frank
[38:53] Speaker 2: Sinatra Junior. He's like, wait, a minute. You guys totally
[38:55] Speaker 2: took me like out of like I have a show
[38:57] Speaker 2: to play, and like, this is messed up. Man. They're like, okay, yes,
[39:00] Speaker 2: we kidnapped you. What's your dad's numbers? We can get
[39:02] Speaker 2: some money for you. And he's like, I'm not telling
[39:04] Speaker 2: you my dad's number. They're like, no, you have to,
[39:06] Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm not doing it, and they're like,
[39:08] Speaker 2: I didn't think about this part of the plan, so
[39:10] Speaker 2: I have no answer. So he's like Joe hit him.
[39:13] Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not hit them. He's ever, no, buddy, man,
[39:14] Speaker 2: I'm not going to mess it up. Yeah, we're cool,
[39:16] Speaker 2: and so they're actually really getting tight pill pals. Yeah, exactly.
[39:21] Speaker 2: So Frank Tinw's like, yeah, I'm a tough guy. Ain't
[39:23] Speaker 2: gonna tell you my dad's number.
[39:24] Speaker 3: They're like, goddamn, wait, doesn't he know, Nancy? Why can
[39:27] Speaker 3: you be?
[39:27] Speaker 2: Like well, Frank was around right, So luckily he's like, well,
[39:32] Speaker 2: I've already had some bad news, so I got some
[39:34] Speaker 2: time to kill. I need to go back up to
[39:35] Speaker 2: Tahoe because I didn't pay off the hotel bill.
[39:39] Speaker 3: You can't just go ahead and not pay it.
[39:42] Speaker 2: Well, no, then they'll know it's him. He's worried, right,
[39:44] Speaker 2: He's like, they'll have the idea that he has this
[39:46] Speaker 2: hotel that's never built.
[39:47] Speaker 3: Anyway, well, the way things are working, call him and
[39:49] Speaker 3: tell him you paid it well, in said.
[39:50] Speaker 2: He calls Dean Torrance and he's like, Dane, I need
[39:52] Speaker 2: five hundred dollars more because I got Frank Sin not
[39:54] Speaker 2: your junior down and head like. He's like whoa, whoa wait,
[39:56] Speaker 2: you did it. And he's like, yeah, it's like, okay,
[39:59] Speaker 2: you need he did. Stop calling me, right man. So
[40:03] Speaker 2: but he's like, when here's five hundred dollars, never call
[40:05] Speaker 2: me again. He's like, thanks, I needed the money, and
[40:07] Speaker 2: he drives back up to Tahoe, pays off his hotel bill,
[40:10] Speaker 2: and he takes Pam, his rich girlfriend, with him. She
[40:12] Speaker 2: actually ends up paying most of the hotel bill. He
[40:14] Speaker 2: needs the five hundred dollars so you can pay gas
[40:15] Speaker 2: and not have to ask Pam for money for gas.
[40:17] Speaker 2: I guess. They actually spend the day skiing after they
[40:19] Speaker 2: pay off the hotel bill, and then they then they
[40:22] Speaker 2: drive back down South.
[40:23] Speaker 3: Oh.
[40:24] Speaker 2: Meanwhile, once he's back in La, he discovers Barry discovers
[40:29] Speaker 2: that Joe and Frank Junior've gotten real tight and they're
[40:31] Speaker 2: they're kind of like, basically they don't want to go
[40:33] Speaker 2: through with it anymore. And He's like, what the hell, man,
[40:36] Speaker 2: It's like, you guys, okay, look, so he got he's
[40:39] Speaker 2: got to call in the outside ringer again. He calls
[40:41] Speaker 2: his mom's ex boyfriend. He's like, John Row and I
[40:43] Speaker 2: need you to come in and be tough for me.
[40:44] Speaker 2: He's like, okay. So the old wol War two veteran
[40:47] Speaker 2: comes in. They're like, look, I found out Frank how
[40:49] Speaker 2: to get ahold of Frank Sinatra. He's got this casino,
[40:52] Speaker 2: this hotel in Reno he's staying at, and everybody's been
[40:55] Speaker 2: talking about on the news. I'm just gonna call there.
[40:57] Speaker 2: And then you asked to talk to Frank.
[40:58] Speaker 3: Did he have the cal Neiva?
[41:00] Speaker 2: He owned the calnd with Sam g and Connham.
[41:02] Speaker 3: That's right.
[41:03] Speaker 2: He was like bask of the front person for it,
[41:06] Speaker 2: and so yes, good job, darn They all. Yeah. You
[41:09] Speaker 2: see that in the Godfather they have the whole scene
[41:11] Speaker 2: up and tile that's kind of like a nod to
[41:12] Speaker 2: the calend Even so, now Barry's like, okay, I can't
[41:16] Speaker 2: really count on Joe, but at least he'll hopefully keep
[41:18] Speaker 2: Frank sinout your junior safe in the hideout while John
[41:21] Speaker 2: Irwin and I go take care of this come on
[41:23] Speaker 2: Mama's ex. And so they go and they're like, okay,
[41:25] Speaker 2: let's call Frank Senior. They call up the hotel and
[41:27] Speaker 2: Frank Stiner was like, okay, these are the kidnappers. Let
[41:29] Speaker 2: me hear from him right, And he's like okay, boom,
[41:33] Speaker 2: hey Frank, we got your boy. And they're like what.
[41:35] Speaker 2: Frank's freaks out. He's like, I'll give you a million
[41:38] Speaker 2: dollars from my son. And he's like, oh, just a second, Frank,
[41:41] Speaker 2: you're geting ahead of yourself. We're gonna call you at
[41:43] Speaker 2: this Chevron station and they give him an address. They
[41:45] Speaker 2: go go there, we'll call you in a couple of
[41:46] Speaker 2: minutes and he's like okay, so then hang up. So
[41:49] Speaker 2: then Frank, you know you're in an FBI agent, drive
[41:52] Speaker 2: off to that Chevron station. Meanwhile, John Irwin calls the
[41:55] Speaker 2: Chevron station. He's like, hey, frank'sina you're there. The guy
[41:58] Speaker 2: working at the gas station's like, uh no, hangs up, Frank.
[42:02] Speaker 2: So Jon Irman calls back, Hey is Frank Sinatra. There
[42:06] Speaker 2: this guy at the gas station. He's like, what the hell, pal,
[42:07] Speaker 2: He's like, listen, pal, Mister Sinatra is not in the
[42:10] Speaker 2: habit of taking calls at the chevron station hangs up.
[42:13] Speaker 2: Then a car pulls up. Out steps Frank Sinatra. The
[42:18] Speaker 2: dude from the Chevron station's like what. He's like, Hey,
[42:20] Speaker 2: I'm Frank Sinatra. Have I had any calls?
[42:22] Speaker 3: Oh?
[42:23] Speaker 2: Man, can you imagine that moment for that too. He's like,
[42:26] Speaker 2: gets called one call to call three. Just Frank is
[42:28] Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra. There's Frank Sinatra. Hey, I'm Frank Sinatra. Any calls?
[42:32] Speaker 3: Oh my god.
[42:33] Speaker 2: So you know that guy, he's been getting free drinks
[42:36] Speaker 2: for life on that anyway, Irwin calls again. Frank gets
[42:39] Speaker 2: this call and he's like, Hey, I'm Frank Sinatra. He's like,
[42:41] Speaker 2: thank goodness. And so then now he's like, Frank's like, look,
[42:44] Speaker 2: I'll give you a million dollars, my boy. He's like, no,
[42:47] Speaker 2: Barry only wants two hundred and forty thousand dollars. So
[42:51] Speaker 2: they low ball Frank Sinatra and the hass for two
[42:55] Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand dollars according to their plan. He
[42:57] Speaker 2: goes here's the deal. You need you get an FBI
[42:59] Speaker 2: courier to go to a payphone in La and then
[43:02] Speaker 2: we'll call that payphone and tell him to go to
[43:03] Speaker 2: another payphone, and then we'll call that payphone, and then
[43:05] Speaker 2: we'll go to another payphone and we'll call that payphone,
[43:08] Speaker 2: and we'll keep doing that till we decide that you
[43:10] Speaker 2: can go to the right drop And he's like okay,
[43:13] Speaker 2: So then they do this. They set up this drop
[43:15] Speaker 2: and on December eleventh, the money is left by the
[43:17] Speaker 2: FBI at a drop spot on Sunset Boulevard. Joe Amsler
[43:21] Speaker 2: and Barrier driving around and looking for the drop spot,
[43:24] Speaker 2: they see the money's there between two school buses in
[43:26] Speaker 2: a black bag, just like they ask. He goes, Joe
[43:29] Speaker 2: get out, grab the money. Joe gets out, he sees
[43:33] Speaker 2: something doesn't feel right. Joe just runs away, just.
[43:35] Speaker 3: Takes off, just like in the Woods.
[43:37] Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Barry's like, ah man, So now he drives,
[43:40] Speaker 2: he drives around the block, he finds parking, he gets out,
[43:44] Speaker 2: he goes to get the money. He goes like, you
[43:46] Speaker 2: know what, I saw these like ice cream trucks and
[43:48] Speaker 2: like all these cabs. I was like those guys are
[43:50] Speaker 2: the FBI. I don't care. I'm getting the money. He
[43:52] Speaker 2: goes and gets some money. Anyway, drives away, right, he
[43:54] Speaker 2: gets away with it. Meanwhile, John Erwin's like I've had it.
[43:56] Speaker 2: I'm done with this. So he's like, Frank, get in
[43:58] Speaker 2: the car. He calls Frank Senior. He's like, look, i'm
[44:00] Speaker 2: taking your boy. I'm giving him back to you. You'll
[44:02] Speaker 2: find him on this overpass over the four or five
[44:05] Speaker 2: freeway and he's like click, hangs up. It's like, Frank Junior,
[44:07] Speaker 2: get in the car. We're going cozy drives. He drops
[44:10] Speaker 2: Frank Junior off on the overpass over the four or five.
[44:12] Speaker 2: He's like get out. It's like okay, and he just starts,
[44:15] Speaker 2: you know, running off on his own. Meanwhile, Frank Senior
[44:18] Speaker 2: is looking for him, driving around, but Frank Junior doesn't
[44:20] Speaker 2: know to wait there, so he runs to bell Air
[44:25] Speaker 2: and the security guard season's like hey, Frank Junior, and
[44:28] Speaker 2: he tries to get him past all the reporters and
[44:30] Speaker 2: he takes them all the way to his house. The
[44:32] Speaker 2: family rejoices. Everything is golden now so far, all is good.
[44:36] Speaker 2: Everything is worked. The press which has been after Frank
[44:39] Speaker 2: Sinatra's senior for being mob affiliated. Also for like you know,
[44:44] Speaker 2: basically there's a whole issue about the the Kennedy's. Basically
[44:46] Speaker 2: Bobby Kennedy was going after him for the mob stuff,
[44:49] Speaker 2: and so he was looking bad about this. Now he's this.
[44:52] Speaker 3: Poor father incredible.
[44:54] Speaker 2: And also he worked with the FBI. The FBI is like, oh,
[44:56] Speaker 2: we're tight with Frank. It's cool. He loves at the house.
[44:58] Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So now of a sudden, all his problems
[45:01] Speaker 2: go away. So he's actually kind of been done a
[45:03] Speaker 2: solid by Barry. Berry's like, look, just like God said,
[45:06] Speaker 2: everybody wins. So he's like convinced everything's cold, and he's like, okay,
[45:11] Speaker 2: let's go celebrate. So Barry and Joe go back to
[45:13] Speaker 2: their hideout. They take all the money they got, They
[45:15] Speaker 2: throw it on like the ground.
[45:16] Speaker 3: And roll around.
[45:17] Speaker 2: I quote literally, we all we laid all the money out,
[45:20] Speaker 2: danced on it, lit cigarettes with it, did all the
[45:22] Speaker 2: things we'd seen in the movies. We had a money war,
[45:24] Speaker 2: throwing wads of bills at each other.
[45:26] Speaker 3: I think I figured out why Barry's business acumen wasn't
[45:30] Speaker 3: so hot. Yeah, I think we've made he lit the
[45:32] Speaker 3: money on fire to light cigarettes.
[45:33] Speaker 2: With Yeah, you ever done that? You don't? You know,
[45:35] Speaker 2: smoke cigarettes?
[45:36] Speaker 3: You know?
[45:37] Speaker 2: Yeah? Anyway, and I'm.
[45:38] Speaker 3: Not a moron would steal money, like get money then
[45:41] Speaker 3: light it on fire.
[45:42] Speaker 2: It's very much like, you know, a cartel dream I
[45:44] Speaker 2: think some young boys have. Anyway. John Irwin's like, look,
[45:50] Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm so dumb with you guys.
[45:52] Speaker 3: Yes.
[45:52] Speaker 2: So he's like, I'm forty two, I'm a navy vet.
[45:54] Speaker 2: I ain't got time for this. So he's like, I'm
[45:56] Speaker 2: going to New Orleans and I'm gonna go be safe
[45:59] Speaker 2: and happy there. So he goes like, first I gotta
[46:01] Speaker 2: go see down my boy, my brother down in San Diego.
[46:04] Speaker 2: So he pops down to San Diego. He's like, hey,
[46:07] Speaker 2: my brother, I'm leaving the area. I gotta go to
[46:09] Speaker 2: New Orleans. But first I want to tell you a
[46:11] Speaker 2: little secret, a little funny story. What your brother's been
[46:13] Speaker 2: up to. I grab Frank's not your junior. I did
[46:16] Speaker 2: it me and my friends. I got all this money,
[46:18] Speaker 2: been that wild. His brother's like, are you kidding me?
[46:22] Speaker 2: You can't do that. Frank Sinatra's boy, He's like, okay,
[46:25] Speaker 2: well I'm tired. Let me just take a nap and
[46:27] Speaker 2: I'll get out of your hair. He's like, okay, So
[46:29] Speaker 2: he lays down to go to sleep. His brother immediately
[46:32] Speaker 2: calls the cops. The cops show up and arrest him.
[46:34] Speaker 3: So his brother has a higher allegiance to Frank's.
[46:37] Speaker 2: Exactly, his brother snitches on him. He's like, look, I
[46:39] Speaker 2: gotta look out for Frank. So then now we got
[46:42] Speaker 2: Joe Joe Amsler. He gets popped by he's like playing
[46:45] Speaker 2: chess by at a friend's house. He's playing chess, yes,
[46:49] Speaker 2: And then Barry eventually gets arrested at his girlfriend's place.
[46:52] Speaker 3: So Pam.
[46:53] Speaker 2: They all, yeah, dear old Pam. So they all now
[46:55] Speaker 2: have to go to court cases. The trials last for
[46:57] Speaker 2: about four weeks. Barry refuses to plead guilty by insanity
[47:01] Speaker 2: because he's like, no, I meant to do this, God
[47:04] Speaker 2: told me to do it. I don't know what you
[47:05] Speaker 2: people are talking about. And so his lawyers put forward
[47:07] Speaker 2: this other whack theory that is Frank jun junior. This
[47:11] Speaker 2: is a hoax. He arranged this, he was in on it,
[47:14] Speaker 2: and they put this out and they say this before
[47:15] Speaker 2: the press, which is messed up because now for the
[47:17] Speaker 2: rest of.
[47:17] Speaker 3: His life Frank's smart.
[47:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, it is crazy smart, but he doesn't get the
[47:21] Speaker 2: guys off. They go down for seventy five years each. Whoa,
[47:24] Speaker 2: oh yeah. But the one good thing is I have
[47:26] Speaker 2: to get Frank Junior credit. When he goes up on
[47:28] Speaker 2: the witness stand, he says the truth, the whole truth,
[47:30] Speaker 2: and nothing but the truth. He even admits that I
[47:33] Speaker 2: hope you guys get away with This is one of
[47:35] Speaker 2: the quotes he admits to in court. So that's part
[47:38] Speaker 2: of the reason why he kind of messes himself up
[47:40] Speaker 2: because he says that. Before the hoax gets put forward anyway,
[47:43] Speaker 2: he gets burned. The three guys all get sentenced to
[47:46] Speaker 2: seventy five years plus life for Amsler and Barry. Irwin
[47:51] Speaker 2: only gets seventy five years anyway. Eventually the people are like,
[47:53] Speaker 2: that's cruel, unusual, ridiculous. It gets tracked down to three
[47:56] Speaker 2: and a half years for Amsler and Irwin, four and
[47:59] Speaker 2: a half years for Barry, cut.
[48:01] Speaker 3: From seventy five and a half years. They're like close enough.
[48:05] Speaker 2: By nineteen sixty eight, Barry is out. By nineteen eighty three,
[48:08] Speaker 2: he's got a fortune of seventeen million dollars. Remember he
[48:11] Speaker 2: was good at business. Yeah, he just needed that two
[48:13] Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand dollars he could get back on top.
[48:16] Speaker 3: It sounds like Barry was just going through a time.
[48:19] Speaker 3: He was spinning out a little bit.
[48:20] Speaker 2: Real rough time for him.
[48:21] Speaker 3: Wow. Anyway, I feel like we've all known a Barry.
[48:24] Speaker 2: I think I've known a few Berries.
[48:25] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[48:26] Speaker 2: I just tried not to be a Barry.
[48:28] Speaker 3: Just don't be a Berry.
[48:29] Speaker 2: So eventually he opens a substance abuse clinic for other
[48:32] Speaker 2: addicts to get clean. He wants to put his fortune
[48:34] Speaker 2: to good use. In the late nineties, though, interestingly, Barry
[48:37] Speaker 2: and Frank Sinatra Junior used to see each other Beverly
[48:39] Speaker 2: Hills social like events like you know, fundraisers and so forth,
[48:42] Speaker 2: and they would seeach other across the room. They never talked.
[48:44] Speaker 2: They would just yeah, they woul They'd give each other
[48:46] Speaker 2: a nod and like a friendly like maybe you remember
[48:49] Speaker 2: that trip wild time. So Frank Sinatra he died in
[48:54] Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. At his funeral, his youngest daughter, Tinam,
[48:57] Speaker 2: she slipped ten dimes into his pocket because she knew
[49:00] Speaker 2: that her dad always carried ten dines on him at
[49:02] Speaker 2: all times. This was like something that really meant something
[49:05] Speaker 2: to her, and she chalked it up to the kidnapping
[49:08] Speaker 2: and a quoteen of Sinatra. I think it came from
[49:11] Speaker 2: Frankie's kidnapping. Maybe before he never wanted to get caught.
[49:13] Speaker 2: Not able to make a phone call, he always carried
[49:16] Speaker 2: ten dimes.
[49:17] Speaker 3: Wow.
[49:18] Speaker 2: Nice. I just like that as a father.
[49:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I mean he's Frank Sinatra. He could
[49:23] Speaker 3: just say to someone.
[49:24] Speaker 2: Call, yeah, hey, big Jilly, get that phone. Yeah.
[49:27] Speaker 3: You don't even need a payphone. You just walk into
[49:29] Speaker 3: any establishment or someone's home.
[49:31] Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Frank Sinati.
[49:32] Speaker 3: Bank Sinatra kicks in your front door like I need
[49:35] Speaker 3: to make a phone call. You're like, yes, mister Sinatra,
[49:37] Speaker 3: can I get you anything else? You start mixing drinks.
[49:40] Speaker 2: Panickings, anything for your two hood friends.
[49:43] Speaker 3: If you're like hiding all your avalony hunting equipment, be cool,
[49:47] Speaker 3: be cool.
[49:47] Speaker 2: Cool. So what's a ridiculous takeaway from this one? Oh?
[49:50] Speaker 3: Wow? I think that again. Everybody knows Barry like some
[49:55] Speaker 3: of the ridiculous stuff that he pulls off, and his'
[50:00] Speaker 3: really stuck on that. I'll give you a million dollars
[50:03] Speaker 3: you know I need. All I need is two forty.
[50:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the number I wanted. I'm going to low
[50:07] Speaker 2: by your friend. The Lord told me this is a
[50:10] Speaker 2: business deal. I'm a businessman.
[50:11] Speaker 3: I mean, why wouldn't you just be like, yeah, that'll work.
[50:15] Speaker 3: Did he feel like maybe if he was honest about
[50:18] Speaker 3: how much he.
[50:19] Speaker 2: Needed that all he needed? He didn't want any more.
[50:21] Speaker 2: He wanted to keep to his deal.
[50:22] Speaker 3: So he's not really greedy and he's on a mission
[50:24] Speaker 3: from God. Yeah he was in seagulls.
[50:28] Speaker 2: My ridiculous takeaway is wasn't life wild before cell phones?
[50:31] Speaker 3: Oh?
[50:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, so much of this could be settled.
[50:34] Speaker 3: I love the screaming into the chevron station thing like, yeah,
[50:38] Speaker 3: that's a totally free.
[50:40] Speaker 2: Or Joe almost dying in a blizzard just because they
[50:42] Speaker 2: don't have cell phones.
[50:45] Speaker 3: Joe, I feel like we're two kids talking about a
[50:47] Speaker 3: movie and all our favorite scenes. But Joe running into
[50:50] Speaker 3: a fence post is the chef's kiss on this one,
[50:53] Speaker 3: especially because in my mind he's dressed like he's abaloney
[50:56] Speaker 3: diving and he's in the snow. So I like that lot.
[51:00] Speaker 3: But yeah, Joe, Joe just is his own thing. Is amazing.
[51:05] Speaker 2: Joe is just a spectacular being.
[51:07] Speaker 3: So we all know a Barry don't be a Barry.
[51:09] Speaker 2: Don't be a Barry. Try to be a Joe, but not.
[51:11] Speaker 3: One hundred percent, because like, if you're going to run
[51:14] Speaker 3: into the woods, don't run into a fence post. I
[51:17] Speaker 3: also like that Joe be friends Frank Samatra Junior. They're
[51:21] Speaker 3: just like doing drugs, chilling out.
[51:24] Speaker 2: When he gets back to the hideout, they've like worked
[51:26] Speaker 2: out like hole like dances and they're like, what it's
[51:29] Speaker 2: like a thing they had like a dance routine.
[51:31] Speaker 3: Wait, please, before we start this again, watch what we
[51:34] Speaker 3: came up with, like one, two, three exactly.
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