# Lawyering on the Frontier with Janel Thamkul

An episode of [Scaling Laws](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1607949880), 12 Jun 2026, 50 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/61e878a1419a9b0013b27134/e/6a26e35e427484b4a4c83d9b/media.mp3

Janel Thamkul, former frontier counsel team member at Anthropic, joins Kevin Frazier to discuss what it means to practice law at the frontier of AI. This episode starts with a review of Janel’s fascinating and varied background. Next, she walks through her initial exploration of a career in art before eventually pivoting to the law based on some very formative experiences. Kevin and Janel then investigate some of the most pressing and open questions related to transformative AI. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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