# Governing the Frontier with Owen Larter of Google DeepMind

An episode of [Scaling Laws](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1607949880), 2 Jun 2026, 46 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/61e878a1419a9b0013b27134/e/6a1dab3a0a986a85da4cdcc9/media.mp3

Owen Larter, Senior Director and Head of Frontier Policy and Public Affairs at Google DeepMind, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to provide an inside look at how DeepMind approaches frontier governance. The conversation moves beyond the familiar U.S.-EU-China framing of AI policy to examine international coordination after the recent U.S.-China summit, Google DeepMind’s national AI partnerships, the role of the Frontier Model Forum, and the challenge of expanding AI adoption. Kevin and Owen also discuss policy formation inside frontier AI companies. They close with an examination of the need to build a deeper AI policy talent pipeline. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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