# Building AI Assurance Ecosystem with Bri Treece (PACT AI) and Dr. Rob Slone (UL Solutions)

An episode of [Scaling Laws](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1607949880), 1 Sep 2026, 50 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/61e878a1419a9b0013b27134/e/6a95cd750305125c635a9e1e/media.mp3

Bri Treece, Executive Director of PACT AI, and Dr. Rob Slone, Chief Scientist & Innovation Officer at UL Solutions, join Kevin Frazier, Director of the AI Innovation and Law Program at Texas Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to discuss a neglected layer of AI governance: the organizations that deploy AI in real-world products, services, and operations. They discuss why PACT AI was formed, what AI assurance can learn from other industries, and why evaluating AI cannot be a one-time exercise. The conversation also covers PACT AI’s 90-day formation process and UL Solutions’ pre-existing work on AI-enabled products. Finally, Kevin asks Bri and Rob to pin down the major barriers facing the broader AI assurance ecosystem. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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