# Caleb Withers on the Cybersecurity Frontier in the Age of AI

An episode of [Scaling Laws](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1607949880), 2 Dec 2025, 48 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/61e878a1419a9b0013b27134/e/692e74616eeb3f346493da73/media.mp3

Caleb Withers, a researcher at the Center for a New American Security, joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to discuss how frontier models shift the balance in favor of attackers in cyberspace. The two discuss how labs and governments can take steps to address these asymmetries favoring attackers, and the future of cyber warfare driven by AI agents.Jack Mitchell, a student fellow in the AI Innovation and Law Program at the University of Texas School of Law, provided excellent research assistance on this episode. Check out Caleb’s recent research here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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