# A New AI Regulatory Regime? SB 813 with Lauren Wagner and Andrew Freedman

An episode of [Scaling Laws](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1607949880), 30 Jul 2025, 56 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/61e878a1419a9b0013b27134/e/688a2a716bbbf6afc7018396/media.mp3

In this episode, join Kevin Frazier as he delves into the complex world of AI regulation with experts Lauren Wagner of the Abundance Institute and Andrew Freedman, Chief Strategy Officer at Fathom. As the AI community eagerly awaits the federal government's AI action plan, our guests explore the current regulatory landscape and the challenges of implementing effective governance with bills like SB 813. Innovative approaches are being proposed, including the role of independent verification organizations and the potential for public-private partnerships. Be sure to check out Fathom's Substack here: https://fathomai.substack.com/subscribe?params=%5Bobject%20Object%5D Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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