# Madeline & Jesse: He Found Out Why She Handed Him Her Shoe

An episode of [First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1601656415), 28 Aug 2026, 11 min.

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Madeline thought she knew exactly why Jesse was ghosting her after their first date. After all, she had accidentally punched him in the nuts while trying to go in for a handshake. But when Jesse finally explains why he really disappeared, there’s another unforgettable moment from the date that changes everything. What happened at dinner involving a shoe, a smell test, and a plate of calamari? And why does Jesse immediately know he never wants a second date? Listen to this hilarious First Date Follow Up on The Jubal Show to hear the full story—and the absolutely wild misunderstanding that sends the conversation completely off the rails. Support the show: https://the-jubal-show.beehiiv.com/subscribe See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Madeline is on the phone today for a first date
[0:01] Speaker 1: follow up and she's getting ghosted by a guy named Jesse.
[0:04] Speaker 1: So in a few minutes, we'll call him and see
[0:06] Speaker 1: if he'll tell us why he's ghosting her and maybe
[0:08] Speaker 1: get her a second date. But before we do that, Madeline,
[0:11] Speaker 1: why don't you tell us why you think you're getting ghosted?
[0:14] Speaker 2: I think it's because at the end of our date,
[0:16] Speaker 2: I accidentally sucker punched him in the nuts. Oh, well, that.
[0:21] Speaker 1: Could be it. You said sucker punch, too. Yeah, that
[0:25] Speaker 1: could be a reason. You said accidentally, so maybe not.
[0:29] Speaker 1: If you did it on purpose, definitely, but how'd that happen?
[0:33] Speaker 2: No, I did not intentionally punch this man.
[0:36] Speaker 3: Okay.
[0:37] Speaker 1: No.
[0:39] Speaker 2: You know, the date was actually.
[0:41] Speaker 3: Really, really good.
[0:42] Speaker 2: We had drinks and then we got this delicious food.
[0:47] Speaker 2: We were talking for hours and I thought there was
[0:51] Speaker 2: definitely chemistry. But then when we get to his car,
[0:56] Speaker 2: we had that like horrible first date moment where you
[0:59] Speaker 2: don't know what.
[1:00] Speaker 3: You're supposed to do.
[1:00] Speaker 2: Like, is it a hug? Is it a kiss? a handshake. Like,
[1:05] Speaker 2: do we just say goodbye? Like, co-workers? You know, it
[1:08] Speaker 2: was like, Jesse started basically moving towards me, and I just,
[1:13] Speaker 2: I couldn't tell what he was doing. And for some reason,
[1:16] Speaker 2: it was like, I glitched. And my brain was like,
[1:20] Speaker 2: go for a handshake! So, awkwardly, I just, like, stepped
[1:24] Speaker 2: my hand out. At the exact moment, he opened his
[1:27] Speaker 2: arms and stepped toward me for a hug. And so.
[1:34] Speaker 2: I don't know if you can tell over the phone,
[1:36] Speaker 2: but like, I can be a little awkward sometimes. Like
[1:39] Speaker 2: I didn't exactly like stick my hand out. I just
[1:42] Speaker 2: kind of like rushed it forward directly into his berries.
[1:51] Speaker 2: It was like, I got him good. He literally just
[1:58] Speaker 2: like immediately bent over a little. It was like, I mean,
[2:03] Speaker 2: I started apologizing, which somehow made it worse. But, you know,
[2:07] Speaker 2: then I was like, I was asking, like, OK, so
[2:10] Speaker 2: do you still want the hug? He was like, maybe,
[2:14] Speaker 2: maybe give me a second. I was like, oh, my God,
[2:17] Speaker 2: I want to die. I wanted to die. It was
[2:20] Speaker 2: so awkward.
[2:22] Speaker 1: It sounds like it. Did you recover after that or
[2:25] Speaker 1: did that just how the date ended?
[2:28] Speaker 2: No, thankfully we did hug, but now it was like, okay,
[2:31] Speaker 2: it felt like I was hugging somebody after a minor, like,
[2:34] Speaker 2: workplace injury.
[2:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, super fragile.
[2:38] Speaker 3: It was awkward.
[2:40] Speaker 2: And then I texted him afterwards saying like, okay, I
[2:42] Speaker 2: had a great time. And I apologized again for pretty
[2:45] Speaker 2: much assaulting him. And he was like, oh, well, I'm okay.
[2:50] Speaker 2: But when I texted the next day asking if he
[2:52] Speaker 2: wanted to go out again, it was like, okay, nothing.
[2:55] Speaker 2: And so I'm just thinking, like, maybe he's concerned he
[2:58] Speaker 2: can no longer ever be a future father.
[3:00] Speaker 5: I have no clue.
[3:01] Speaker 1: Oh, no. Madeline is on the phone, and she's getting
[3:04] Speaker 1: ghosted by a guy named Jesse. So we're about to
[3:06] Speaker 1: call him and see if he'll tell us why he's
[3:08] Speaker 1: ghosting her and maybe get her a second date. But first, Madeline,
[3:11] Speaker 1: why don't you give us a quick recap again of
[3:13] Speaker 1: why you think you're getting ghosted?
[3:14] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[3:16] Speaker 2: At the end of the date, he went in for
[3:18] Speaker 2: a hug. I... had a brain glitch for some reason,
[3:22] Speaker 2: went to shake his hand, but accidentally punched him in
[3:25] Speaker 2: the nuts.
[3:28] Speaker 3: Like bad.
[3:28] Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's see if that is the reason
[3:32] Speaker 1: you're getting ghosted.
[3:33] Speaker 2: Here we go.
[3:34] Speaker 1: I'm going to dial this phone number right now.
[3:38] Speaker 3: Hello?
[3:41] Speaker 1: Hi, may I speak to Jesse, please?
[3:43] Speaker 2: Yes.
[3:44] Speaker 1: Hey, Jesse, how are you? This is a radio show.
[3:46] Speaker 1: It's called The Jubal Show.
[3:47] Speaker 6: Hi, Jesse.
[3:47] Speaker 1: I'm Nina. Hi, I'm Victoria. And my name is Jubal.
[3:50] Speaker 1: How are you?
[3:50] Speaker 6: I'm okay.
[3:53] Speaker 3: What's going on?
[3:55] Speaker 1: You sound scared. Yeah, not much. Have you ever listened
[3:58] Speaker 1: to the show before?
[3:59] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I have.
[4:02] Speaker 1: Okay, cool. Well, maybe you've heard of First Aid Follow-Up.
[4:05] Speaker 1: That's the segment where If you end up ghosting somebody
[4:08] Speaker 1: after a date, they can email us to call you
[4:12] Speaker 1: and find out why you're ghosting them. And that would
[4:14] Speaker 1: be why we're on the phone with you, Jesse.
[4:16] Speaker 2: Okay.
[4:20] Speaker 1: And we got an email about you from Madeline, who
[4:23] Speaker 1: I guarantee you remember going on a date with because
[4:25] Speaker 1: she told us a situation on how she accidentally punched
[4:28] Speaker 1: you somewhere. Very special to you. Yeah. on accident, and
[4:33] Speaker 1: she thinks that might be why you're ghosting her, but
[4:35] Speaker 1: would you mind telling us why you're ghosting Madeline?
[4:38] Speaker 5: Well, it's I didn't feel comfortable explaining it on the radio,
[4:46] Speaker 5: but if she emailed you, she wants to know, okay, well,
[4:49] Speaker 5: she took her.
[4:50] Speaker 6: Shoe off in the middle of dinner, handed it across
[4:53] Speaker 6: the table, and asked me to smell it.
[4:56] Speaker 1: No, she didn't. Wait, what? To smell her shoe? Wait,
[4:59] Speaker 1: why though?
[4:59] Speaker 2: Oh, come on. That's why?
[5:02] Speaker 1: That? Hey, Jessie, that's Madeline. She's actually on the phone
[5:06] Speaker 1: and wants to talk to you.
[5:07] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[5:08] Speaker 1: Madeline, what?
[5:09] Speaker 3: Madeline?
[5:11] Speaker 2: Seriously, is that the reason? Like, what?
[5:16] Speaker 1: Wait, why did you do that?
[5:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the smell test to see if he
[5:23] Speaker 2: would like, you know, if he can roll with the
[5:27] Speaker 2: ups and the downs of life, you know? What does
[5:29] Speaker 2: that mean?
[5:31] Speaker 1: I don't know this test.
[5:33] Speaker 6: But you say ups and downs. I mean, you took
[5:36] Speaker 6: your shoe off and asked me to smell it. The
[5:38] Speaker 6: fact that you even have to ask. Like, is that
[5:42] Speaker 6: the reason?
[5:43] Speaker 3: Tells me we experienced that whole moment very differently.
[5:46] Speaker 1: Were you guys at dinner and she took her shoe
[5:50] Speaker 1: off and asked you to smell it? Is that what happened?
[5:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[5:54] Speaker 3: It's in the middle of dinner. She takes her shoe off.
[5:58] Speaker 6: And look, we're in a nice restaurant and you start
[6:01] Speaker 6: asking me if I smell anything.
[6:04] Speaker 3: And then you say, oh, my God, is that me?
[6:06] Speaker 3: And you proceed to take off your shoe and ask
[6:09] Speaker 3: me to smell it.
[6:10] Speaker 5: Oh, no.
[6:11] Speaker 3: Listen, I thought it was a joke. I wanted to lie.
[6:14] Speaker 3: I thought it was a joke at first until I
[6:15] Speaker 3: realized you were not joking.
[6:17] Speaker 2: Maybe she's totally comfortable with you. I don't know. Yeah, exactly.
[6:23] Speaker 2: I don't even know why you're acting like that. It
[6:24] Speaker 2: was this crazy big thing. Like, you didn't even smell it.
[6:28] Speaker 2: You said no.
[6:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, why would I want to smell your nasty shoe? Why?
[6:36] Speaker 3: I barely know you.
[6:37] Speaker 2: What did you say, Madeline? Curiosity, you know, adventurous nature.
[6:45] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[6:45] Speaker 4: Why not?
[6:46] Speaker 1: So is this something that you do on dates, Madeline?
[6:49] Speaker 1: You see if some of your date will smell your shoe?
[6:51] Speaker 2: Well, I sometimes kind of like to think that, like,
[6:55] Speaker 2: if a guy is willing to, like, smell something that's
[7:00] Speaker 2: intimate or just, like, do something a little weird, then, like, okay, cool,
[7:05] Speaker 2: he's going to be up for it. whatever life throws
[7:09] Speaker 2: at us in the future. And I was just kind
[7:11] Speaker 2: of testing to see like, cool, like the smell test.
[7:14] Speaker 2: Is he like cool with whatever? Or is he kind
[7:17] Speaker 2: of like more proper? And like, all right. Then I
[7:20] Speaker 2: put my shoe back on and I smelled it myself.
[7:23] Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I'll just, it's really not
[7:26] Speaker 2: that weird.
[7:27] Speaker 1: What is it?
[7:30] Speaker 3: Like a weird power testing? Like, Hey man, smell my
[7:33] Speaker 3: shoe and see if I do it. What is this?
[7:37] Speaker 2: I mean, maybe a little bit, maybe kind of. But realistically,
[7:40] Speaker 2: it's like you can't tell sometimes if you smell because
[7:43] Speaker 2: you're surrounded by yourself. So I was like, wait, it's
[7:47] Speaker 2: not something weird. Is that my shoe? Because realistically, it's like.
[7:52] Speaker 2: I'm curious. And I didn't, like, shove it in your face.
[7:55] Speaker 2: I handed it to you. You know, but like I said,
[7:58] Speaker 2: you didn't even smell it because you said no.
[8:01] Speaker 3: Madeline, you handed me your shoe while I was eating calamari.
[8:04] Speaker 3: I'm not smelling your shoe over appetizers.
[8:06] Speaker 4: Oh.
[8:08] Speaker 2: It wasn't touching the calamari. Like, I smelled it myself,
[8:12] Speaker 2: and it wasn't me, and your calamari was fine.
[8:15] Speaker 1: To whom?
[8:17] Speaker 3: To whom?
[8:17] Speaker 2: Who?
[8:21] Speaker 3: I was trying to be.
[8:22] Speaker 2: Consistent by giving it a round instead of actually handing
[8:27] Speaker 2: it to you. Like, if my feet smelled and you
[8:29] Speaker 2: were sitting there suffering through the entire day, that would
[8:32] Speaker 2: have been worse.
[8:33] Speaker 1: Well, I think your feet would be under the table
[8:36] Speaker 1: in your shoe. Maybe not really the first whiff.
[8:41] Speaker 6: I wasn't smelling anything until you handed me a shoe.
[8:45] Speaker 3: Period. I wasn't. I wasn't smelling anything.
[8:48] Speaker 2: But did it smell? The question was, did it smell?
[8:52] Speaker 2: You know?
[8:53] Speaker 3: It didn't smell. It didn't smell. It did not smell.
[8:55] Speaker 2: Well, you didn't smell it. So in any case, what's
[9:00] Speaker 2: the big deal?
[9:02] Speaker 4: The fact that you handed it to me in the
[9:05] Speaker 4: first place. I don't understand how you're not registering. Why
[9:08] Speaker 4: did I even need to be involved in what you
[9:11] Speaker 4: believe to be a smelly shoe? Did you not just
[9:15] Speaker 4: want to.
[9:15] Speaker 3: Do that in your head first?
[9:17] Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
[9:18] Speaker 3: It's a date, not a podiatry consultation.
[9:22] Speaker 2: Excuse me? What did you just call me?
[9:26] Speaker 1: What? No, that's a foot doctor.
[9:29] Speaker 5: I said podiatry consultation.
[9:32] Speaker 3: Consultation podiatry.
[9:35] Speaker 5: That's it.
[9:36] Speaker 2: Okay. Wow. Classy. I cannot believe that you called me
[9:39] Speaker 2: a podiatrist.
[9:40] Speaker 1: Do you know what a podiatrist is?
[9:45] Speaker 2: I do. I'm just not stooping to your level and
[9:49] Speaker 2: I would never do that. I would never be a podiatrist.
[9:51] Speaker 2: That's disgusting.
[9:53] Speaker 1: They make a lot of money.
[9:54] Speaker 2: I do know what it means, but I am not
[9:57] Speaker 2: stupid to your level. Of course I know what a
[10:00] Speaker 2: podiatrist is. It's someone who has sex with another person
[10:04] Speaker 2: for money. And no, I'm not a podiatrist.
[10:07] Speaker 3: Oh, wow. Wow. I do not sleep around.
[10:12] Speaker 1: Madeline, would you like, or Jesse, would you like to
[10:14] Speaker 1: go on another date with Madeline? We will pay for it.
[10:16] Speaker 1: Not that you're a podiatrist, but we'll pay for it.
[10:19] Speaker 3: That is an easy no. That is an easy no.
[10:21] Speaker 3: If it wasn't easy before, it's easy now.
[10:24] Speaker 5: That's an easy no.
[10:25] Speaker 2: Just so you know, I have never been so insulted.
[10:28] Speaker 2: And for the record, I do not sleep around. And certainly,
[10:33] Speaker 2: I am not a podiatrist for money.
[10:36] Speaker 1: Got it.
[10:37] Speaker 2: Yes.
[10:37] Speaker 3: Wow, wow, wow.

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