# Taylor Knibb - The Tell All Kona Collapse & T100 Contract Interview

An episode of [The Triathlon Hour](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1595443343), 1 Feb 2026, 1 h 41 min.

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The things we love most about Taylor Knibb is her honesty, her detailed & analytical story telling and her contagious energy. Today’s podcast has all of that in spades. Taylor goes through her 2025 year in detail we’ve not come close to hearing anywhere else. From a tough start to the year with burn out, stress and T100 contract negotiations to the crazy events that unfolded when she collapsed with 2km to go whilst in the lead of the Ironman World Championships in Kona, we go into it all. Taylor was as honest and open as you’ll likely ever hear her and all we can do is thank her for that because it made for a podcast that’s a bit different from your standard one. We hope you enjoy it. Nord VPN:Take advantage of a great deal with Nord VPN use the code triathlonhour or visit nordvpn.com/triathlonhour to get a huge discount in the 2 year plans PLUS 4 extra months! It is risk free with Nord's 30 days money back guarantee! Precision: Use the code TTH26 to get 15% off your first order with Precision at Precision Fuel & Hydration or subscribe to the Patreon and access the link that will save you 20% on every order, not just your first Patreon Pillar: Use the code TTH to get 15% off your first order with Pillar Performance at Pillar Performance or use The Feed for North American customers Lever: Use the code TTH for 20% off your Lever system Lever

## Transcript

[0:29] SPEAKER_00: So, Taylor, we were just talking off-air and we weren't being professional in the way we were talking.
[0:34] SPEAKER_00: So, I want to start the podcast by asking you do we have a professional conversation or do we just be ourselves and let people in on that?
[0:41] SPEAKER_01: Well, define professional.
[0:43] SPEAKER_00: I think you say what you think, but you kind of have a little bit of a filter on it so that you don't say anything really stupid or controversial.
[0:52] SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
[0:56] SPEAKER_00: Guess it depends what mood you're in.
[0:58] SPEAKER_00: I reckon like if people I think sometimes you give like 99% of yourself, and then sometimes you only give about 60% of yourself.
[1:06] SPEAKER_00: So we'll maybe at the end of the podcast we'll judge like what percentage of real Taylor did we get today.
[1:11] SPEAKER_01: Great.
[1:12] SPEAKER_01: You can judge.
[1:14] SPEAKER_01: You tell me.
[1:14] SPEAKER_00: Alright, we're gonna start there.
[1:16] SPEAKER_00: 2025 review.
[1:17] SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna review your season, talk about everything that was 2025, and then at the end, maybe we talk about 2026 a little bit.
[1:24] SPEAKER_00: So do we start at the start of the year or do we start at uh 38km mark of Kona review collapsed on the side of the road?
[1:32] SPEAKER_01: I think it was 39k.
[1:33] SPEAKER_01: I think I made it 39k.
[1:35] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, which one would you like to start with?
[1:39] SPEAKER_00: Uh let's tease that.
[1:40] SPEAKER_00: We'll come back to Kona, because that that's kind of uh probably the highlight of the year and the low light of the year at the same time, depending on who you are.
[1:48] SPEAKER_00: Let's go back right to the start of 2025 because it was actually a really interesting start to your year, and many people have probably forgot what happened, but you came off an elite finish to 2024, you won the 70.3 world titles, you won your last three T100 races, and then the start of 2025 was actually pretty rocky.
[2:06] SPEAKER_00: So maybe I give you the floor and you can tell people the story of the start of 2025.
[2:11] SPEAKER_01: Well, like how much do you want to know?
[2:13] SPEAKER_00: All of it.
[2:13] SPEAKER_01: Well, I think then you have to start at the end of 2024, because I don't think that they're like it's not mutually exclusive.
[2:20] SPEAKER_01: And so after the race in Dubai, you were there in so we're gonna backpedal.
[2:26] SPEAKER_01: Dan sent me a message, and he's like, I am so glad that you are now in off-season and we can give your body like a well-deserved rest.
[2:34] SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm just relieved.
[2:36] SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that we have 70.3 worlds in four weeks.
[2:40] SPEAKER_01: Like, what's going on?
[2:41] SPEAKER_01: Like, and he's like, Well, we can see how it goes, and I really push for 70.3 worlds, and I think in retrospect, I squeezed a lot out of me, and then like just at 70.3 worlds, like I would say across the finish line, and I was emotionless.
[2:57] SPEAKER_01: Like it was just like a tick of a box, and you don't really want to finish any race, let alone finish that side of type of race and feel that way.
[3:05] SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, but I was like really eager to get back in.
[3:08] SPEAKER_01: I took way too short of an off season, and I think I like hung on to too much fitness, and then the like January, February, March wasn't fantastic for me, but all good.
[3:21] SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let's start there.
[3:22] SPEAKER_00: Let's start with January, February, and March because you ended up starting your season in April at Iron Man, Texas, but you were a T-100 signed contracted athlete for 2025, and that year was supposed to start in Singapore.
[3:37] SPEAKER_00: So talk to me about the the lead into Singapore um and and maybe why you didn't start that race and instead started your your 2025 at Iron Man Texas.
[3:46] SPEAKER_01: Well, how much should I say?
[3:48] SPEAKER_00: This is the last time you've got to ask that question because the answer is just always gonna be say everything.
[3:53] SPEAKER_01: I think I had verbally committed to do the T100 series because like out of obligation, because as the 2024 champion, I felt like in order to pay respect to whoever won it next, I needed to sign, like I needed to line up, even though I didn't agree with some things, and so we were kind of still negotiating the contract.
[4:17] SPEAKER_01: So I would say that I didn't really violate a contract that I had signed, which that might be get me in trouble, but I think now we've moved on past that.
[4:24] SPEAKER_01: They've gotten rid of contracts, but then like Singapore, I don't know why it was stressing me out so much.
[4:30] SPEAKER_01: I just didn't think I was ready for it.
[4:32] SPEAKER_01: I kind of I know what it takes to perform at that level, and I wasn't there, like my body just wasn't responding to training.
[4:39] SPEAKER_01: And Dan confirmed that to me two days before Kona, he was like, Yeah, I didn't know what to do with you at the beginning of the year.
[4:44] SPEAKER_01: You weren't responding to training.
[4:45] SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think it was a number of factors that I was still like I was highly fatigued from the previous year.
[4:50] SPEAKER_01: I mean, I raced a lot and I was fit for a long time.
[4:53] SPEAKER_01: And then also it being such a late season, I think we I kind of jumped back into things too quickly and ahead of my progression, so I didn't take like a slow period of building back into it.
[5:04] SPEAKER_01: Like the things I was doing the second or third week of training, I just like was too much.
[5:09] SPEAKER_01: So that hasn't been done this year.
[5:11] SPEAKER_00: So let's go back and talk about that contract.
[5:13] SPEAKER_00: So uh at the start of the 2025 season, you are in negotiations with the T100, you're there defending world champion, but you're saying that before Singapore, so by the time the Singapore race came around and and by the time that you pulled out for personal reasons, you hadn't actually signed a contract, you hadn't had everything figured out.
[5:33] SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't want to get in anyone in trouble, but legally I had not signed anything.
[5:39] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you ended up getting fined for not showing up to that race.
[5:42] SPEAKER_00: So you hadn't signed a contract, but you still got fined a a lot of money.
[5:46] SPEAKER_00: Like I don't know if you want to talk about how much money that was, but you got fined a lot of money for not showing up.
[5:50] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I got fined$40,000 for not showing up.
[5:53] SPEAKER_01: Um, now that was that wasn't like I had to pay them$40,000, that was$40,000 taken away from my contract.
[6:00] SPEAKER_01: So that's very different, I think, um, because at that point in time, also like with the 2100, they hadn't paid for a lot of things.
[6:09] SPEAKER_01: So it was also like, okay, you owe me a substantial amount of money.
[6:13] SPEAKER_01: And then so, like, how much, also, how much do you uphold from one end of the contract versus another?
[6:19] SPEAKER_01: Like, for example, um, like money's one thing, but like I still haven't gotten my 2024 World Champion Trophy.
[6:26] SPEAKER_01: It's been 14 months.
[6:28] SPEAKER_01: I asked them in like June because I was like politely waiting for them to figure things out, still it hasn't come.
[6:36] SPEAKER_01: So will it ever arrive?
[6:38] SPEAKER_01: No.
[6:39] SPEAKER_01: I mean it was obnoxious.
[6:41] SPEAKER_01: Where will I put that thing?
[6:43] SPEAKER_01: But still, I mean like just little things, and I understand they're a startup, but also there, I think there needs like there needed to be a little bit more bi-directional support of like, you know what, like I trust that you have things going on that might not allow you to deliver everything that you said you would.
[6:58] SPEAKER_01: And so, like, there needs to be, I think that there should have been that mutual understanding.
[7:02] SPEAKER_01: Um, but at the same time, I think in being in that position and making that decision, I hope it made it better for like they've gone away with the contracts.
[7:12] SPEAKER_01: And if that's what they got from that, great.
[7:15] SPEAKER_00: Okay, but so are you saying that you hadn't signed a contract and then because you said no, I'm not gonna show up at Singapore, they kind of were like, Well, because of that, you're not gonna get as big a marketing bonus, or did you end up just getting no marketing bonus?
[7:30] SPEAKER_00: And at that point where they decided to take that forty thousand dollars off your contract, how much were you owed by them financially plus the trophy for the previous year?
[7:40] SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't I don't know.
[7:41] SPEAKER_01: I I know I was I I know I got paid like the rankings bonus, so that was$100,000 in August, right before London.
[7:52] SPEAKER_01: And then I think I hadn't gotten paid the world champion, which was like 210.
[7:57] SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I don't know if they were up to date with their races.
[8:00] SPEAKER_01: I don't really check that as much as other people in my life, so my dad's very on top of my bank account.
[8:08] SPEAKER_01: So I don't have to look.
[8:09] SPEAKER_01: So it's all good.
[8:10] SPEAKER_01: Thank you to my father.
[8:12] SPEAKER_01: But because I'm just like, okay, is what it is, like as long as it comes.
[8:19] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, but then but then also I I I also don't know how much it kind of went away because remember, I didn't fulfill my contract this year, and I was just like, you know what, like just go away with it for both parties, um, which was easy.
[8:36] SPEAKER_01: Because I'm not gonna sacrifice my career for an organization who I don't think would respect like imagine if I had had a duplication of Kona in Dubai or Qatar.
[8:48] SPEAKER_01: I can based on what they did to me in Dubai, I don't think they would have respected my health and me if that had happened again.
[8:57] SPEAKER_01: They would have just preyed on it, which so I'm not gonna put myself in a position for someone who I don't trust.
[9:02] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I guess the the it's kind of hard, right, in some way, because you are doing their race series, you're winning their races, you're their world champion, and you are admittedly making a lot of money from them.
[9:15] SPEAKER_00: But on the flip side, you know, the Dubai incident, which I I think by what you just said, then you kind of feel like they maybe took advantage of in a situation where you would have liked them to maybe respect you a little bit more.
[9:28] SPEAKER_00: Plus, you're being a little uh you're you're probably getting paid a little slower than what you might like, although uh at the end of the day the money is still coming, and then after that you kind of make a decision for yourself, and then they they they cut$40,000 from your contract.
[9:43] SPEAKER_00: So you're kind of on one side of things like, I'm grateful for this series because I am getting a lot of money from this series, and and it's a pretty good series, but on the other side, there are some things making you maybe frustrated or a little resentful towards uh the T100.
[9:58] SPEAKER_01: I think frustrated more than resentful because like we always choose to do this, and I think that may have been more of a me issue in feeling like I had to line up because like I think my why for doing it wasn't necessarily strong and grounded enough to put up with that.
[10:19] SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's a me problem.
[10:21] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so when they fined you that 40,000, did you fight it at all, or were you just like, uh, I'm actually just relieved to be done with this, like whatever, let's move on.
[10:29] SPEAKER_01: Part of the Singapore thing was that they wanted you to come, whether or not um you raced and you wouldn't get fined otherwise.
[10:36] SPEAKER_01: But I'm like, I don't think it's smart for me to make the trip.
[10:39] SPEAKER_01: Like that's I'm just not in the position to do that based on how my body was doing, and also based on what I wanted to do the rest of the year.
[10:47] SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, so let's say I make the attempt to do Singapore, or like to go to Singapore out of good faith for the contract, and then like, and I was fully transparent with them, my focus is Kona, my goal is Kona, and then like it means that I don't qualify in Texas, which I need to do, then where am I qualifying and what race, T100 race would I then miss?
[11:12] SPEAKER_01: And so then out of like, if I had tried to do it well, I think, and go to Singapore, I think it could have had more negative repercussions down the road that would have ended up in me almost guaranteed not fulfilling my contract, even if the effort was such that I was trying to.
[11:28] SPEAKER_01: But also, like, I'm sorry, like if you have a racehorse, think about like horses, they're like very valuable, right?
[11:34] SPEAKER_01: You have a very valuable racehorse.
[11:36] SPEAKER_01: Are you gonna fly that race horse 24 hours across the world and back?
[11:42] SPEAKER_01: No.
[11:43] SPEAKER_01: Same with like, let's say a car, and a car doesn't need to eat or breathe.
[11:46] SPEAKER_01: Like, you have a very valuable car, would you ship it around the world?
[11:50] SPEAKER_01: No.
[11:50] SPEAKER_01: So also like protect your assets a little bit, and even if the T100 isn't gonna protect my body, I'm gonna protect my body.
[11:57] SPEAKER_01: Because sorry, I don't like flying.
[12:00] SPEAKER_00: The horse example's a good one, and you are probably a very expensive racehorse.
[12:04] SPEAKER_00: The car one, not so much, because the F1 cars, which are probably like some of the most expensive cars on the planet, they would do more flying than any racehorse has ever done in its career.
[12:14] SPEAKER_00: So you had me on the horse one, um, not so much on the car one.
[12:18] SPEAKER_00: Okay, so then you you make the decision to not go to Singapore, you cop the fine.
[12:24] SPEAKER_00: Tell me about like so your your training was going poorly up until that point, um, and you weren't responding to it, and your coach Dan Lorang was confused about what to do with you, you don't go to Singapore.
[12:36] SPEAKER_00: What happens between Singapore and Texas when it comes to your training?
[12:40] SPEAKER_01: Well, so I think um clarifying when I said like in order to get fined, I guess, I had to say like to the T100, like, you can pass my contract on to the next available athlete.
[12:53] SPEAKER_01: Because they weren't they weren't gonna budge on that, so I had to be ready to walk away.
[12:57] SPEAKER_01: And I was fine with that.
[12:58] SPEAKER_01: I actually got really excited.
[13:00] SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, look, I can do like this race and this race, maybe I can sprinkle in some short course races, maybe I can do another 7.3 or two.
[13:05] SPEAKER_01: Like it was kind of like exciting, but then they're like, no, here's like the fine.
[13:09] SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, okay, this makes sense.
[13:11] SPEAKER_01: Like, it's better than no money, I guess, in some regards.
[13:16] SPEAKER_01: So the day after I pull out of Singapore, because by the way, so why I pulled out of Singapore was I was doing a run on the treadmill, and I had been telling my team that like I've been crying during my runs, like not just like once or twice, but like six times.
[13:30] SPEAKER_01: Like, but like you keep running.
[13:32] SPEAKER_01: I mean the same way.
[13:33] SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry if you shit yourself, you keep running.
[13:35] SPEAKER_01: If you start crying, you keep running.
[13:38] SPEAKER_01: So I started crying, and my strength coach was at the gym, and she's like, Taylor, what's going on?
[13:44] SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Well, this is what happens, this is what I was telling you about.
[13:46] SPEAKER_01: I just start crying.
[13:50] SPEAKER_01: She, yeah, she called Patrick and she was like, Yeah, she's not going to Singapore.
[13:55] SPEAKER_01: This is really bad.
[13:56] SPEAKER_01: Okay, because you can you imagine if I was in Singapore and I'm like on the run crying?
[14:01] SPEAKER_01: Like, it wasn't something that I could control, but I just had to like let it out.
[14:05] SPEAKER_01: So I think I was sorry, you're laughing at me.
[14:11] SPEAKER_00: I'm not laughing at you.
[14:13] SPEAKER_00: I just, I just I've talked to you about this in person a few times now, and I know that you are you don't look back on it uh with sadness or anything.
[14:20] SPEAKER_00: You you laugh about it, and so now it just makes me laugh how much you were doing it, and you were just like, you were just normalizing it.
[14:27] SPEAKER_00: You're like, yeah, I cry every time I go for a run.
[14:30] SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
[14:31] SPEAKER_00: And like, no, Taylor, it's actually not fine.
[14:34] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my dad learned that I was crying during the runs.
[14:37] SPEAKER_01: He was like, Well, how many times?
[14:38] SPEAKER_01: Like he was like, I didn't know, I need to make sure it's like do you imagine?
[14:43] SPEAKER_01: You're a coach, can you imagine learning like your athlete just like spontaneously cries and they're like, I'm fine, I'm good.
[14:50] SPEAKER_01: Like newsflash, I don't if okay, if anyone's listening to this and that happens to them, not good, not fine, like just normalizes.
[14:59] SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, so I just would start crying.
[15:03] SPEAKER_01: I think I was like too stressed, I think, with a lot of things going on in my life.
[15:08] SPEAKER_01: Um, so anyway, it came out, and but I kept going, but surprisingly, the trainer wasn't going like here's the thing, I would hit the numbers, I would hit it all, but I just wasn't like progressing the way I needed to because I wasn't responding to the training because it was too hard.
[15:23] SPEAKER_01: So long the short, um the crying, and then and then, but then I pulled off of Singapore and like my HRV skyrocketed, like suddenly, three weeks before Texas, suddenly I got to start training.
[15:35] SPEAKER_01: Um, so yes, that was a little bit of a turnaround.
[15:39] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you were clearly just bottling up a lot.
[15:41] SPEAKER_00: Like, I've like I said, I've talked to you about this probably three or four times at this point, and it's very evident to me that you you maybe maybe you were like internalizing a lot of things, maybe you weren't communicating with those around you like about what you were actually feeling and and what you wanted, and it was all piling up on you, and you had all this stress, and you were you weren't being indecisive because you're you're just not an indecisive person, but you decision making at that time was maybe a little tricky for you, and you were you were having to train and you were putting a lot of pressure on yourself still, and you'd come off such a big year, and you had big goals for this year, and I know there was some other personal stuff going on behind the scenes in your life, and it was just clearly it was clearly a lot.
[16:21] SPEAKER_00: Like clearly you had a start to 2025 that was a lot, and you weren't necessarily dealing with it like poorly, but you also you weren't thriving at the same time, were you?
[16:32] SPEAKER_00: So then when you went to Texas and and you came second to Cat Matthews, you you obviously finished 10 minutes behind her.
[16:38] SPEAKER_00: You had the fastest bike of the day, but you know, Cap beat you probably a little bit uh by a little bit more than what you would have liked, but there was a lot going on uh into that race.
[16:48] SPEAKER_00: And and I know you've said to me that you you feel like you only really had three good weeks of training leading into that race.
[16:54] SPEAKER_01: Yes, and but I I and I would say that I handled the whole situation poorly because I think as an athlete you have to know your body.
[17:02] SPEAKER_01: And first of all, I needed to communicate with Dan a lot quicker that I was crying.
[17:05] SPEAKER_01: Um, but second of all, like kind of I'm the only one who lives inside me, so I need to figure that stuff out, and I think it just took me a little bit too long to figure it out.
[17:16] SPEAKER_01: Um like looking back at it, like kind of some of the stuff that I put up with was a bit for too long, um, stuff that I normalized, and so that's just that's on me, and it showed.
[17:28] SPEAKER_01: Um, but and also the fact that I I wasn't you had to be able to like walk away sometimes, and I wasn't I I hadn't walked away from the T100 early enough because I think Singapore was just way too early, way too soon, way too much with everything going on.
[17:45] SPEAKER_01: And like I saw the benefit once it went away, but just like before that, it was just hanging over me like a dark cloud.
[17:54] SPEAKER_00: And so after Texas, we're we're in April now, we're we're almost in May.
[17:59] SPEAKER_00: When Kat beat you by 10 minutes, you you finished second, Kona's your big goal.
[18:03] SPEAKER_00: You know that maybe Kat and Laura Phillip and and people like that are gonna be your big rivals to try and win Kona.
[18:11] SPEAKER_00: What did you think?
[18:12] SPEAKER_00: Where was your head at after that race?
[18:13] SPEAKER_00: Did you walk away and think, yes, I can win Kona, or I've got some big changes I need to make if I want to win, given that Kat beat me at Texas and she's probably one of the people I'm gonna have to beat at at Kona if I want to win it?
[18:25] SPEAKER_01: So I think there were a lot of thoughts.
[18:27] SPEAKER_01: Number one, Texas is not Kona.
[18:30] SPEAKER_01: So I think it's also very different, like where people are in their seasons.
[18:34] SPEAKER_01: Like, for example, um, the year that Laura Phillip, it was 2022.
[18:40] SPEAKER_01: Laura Phillip, I think, beat oh, what did she beat Chelsea in Hamburg by like an insane, I want to say 15, 17 minutes or so.
[18:50] SPEAKER_01: And then in Kona that year, I think she went 31 or 32 minutes slower than her hamburg time.
[18:56] SPEAKER_01: So similarly, this year in Kona, she did like an 805, I think, in Hamburg.
[19:02] SPEAKER_01: And I think she went 31 or 32 minutes slower than that time.
[19:08] SPEAKER_01: And so it was it's like kind of interesting because she like it was this, it's the same differential.
[19:13] SPEAKER_01: She went that much slower, but like in June of 2022, Laura beat Chelsea handily, and then like three months, four months later, Chelsea wins the world title, and like that's a huge turnaround, and so you have to you have to be open to that in a season because like what kind of preparation went into things.
[19:34] SPEAKER_01: If everyone wants to win, it's a lot harder to win.
[19:37] SPEAKER_01: But if you're if different people have different goals, and I think that was a tough thing.
[19:40] SPEAKER_01: Like, Kat came out guns a blazing, and she was like, I want to have a perfect score in the pro series.
[19:46] SPEAKER_01: It's like, great, you have to win Iron Man Texas.
[19:49] SPEAKER_01: The whole reason I went to Texas was to qualify for Kona.
[19:52] SPEAKER_01: And yes, did I want to do well?
[19:53] SPEAKER_01: Was I disappointed with second?
[19:55] SPEAKER_01: Yes, but it for all intents and purposes, like where it fit in my season, it just it was what it needed to be, and so it's also tough, like different narratives, what different people want.
[20:06] SPEAKER_01: But um, Dan told me something before the race that really helped me.
[20:10] SPEAKER_01: Um, I think process it after because he told me before this thing, so it's it was good.
[20:16] SPEAKER_00: And what was that thing that he told you?
[20:18] SPEAKER_01: Oh, I can't reveal my private conversation with my coach.
[20:21] SPEAKER_01: Oh, come on.
[20:22] SPEAKER_01: It was shocking.
[20:23] SPEAKER_01: We both know Dan very well, and this is like yeah, so like I was like, wait, did you like when you said this thing?
[20:32] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, anyway, so yeah.
[20:35] SPEAKER_00: You can't do this to me.
[20:37] SPEAKER_00: I've got to know now.
[20:38] SPEAKER_00: If it's if it's bad, I can edit it out.
[20:40] SPEAKER_00: How does that sound?
[20:41] SPEAKER_01: Well, no, he was pretty much just like Texas is not Kona, and you need to remember that.
[20:45] SPEAKER_01: He said a few more things to that, but like he's like, do not worry if tomorrow doesn't go the way you want it.
[20:51] SPEAKER_01: He's like, it'll be very different going into Kona with a few more words in it.
[20:55] SPEAKER_01: So all good.
[20:56] SPEAKER_01: But it was like, I was like, okay, great, fine.
[20:58] SPEAKER_01: But then like the next day I was like, yeah, okay, got it, understood.
[21:03] SPEAKER_01: So and also I'm very new to the Iron Man distance.
[21:05] SPEAKER_01: Like, that was only my second Iron Man.
[21:08] SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I still like I think in terms of what I need to figure out, what I was still figuring out, what I still need to figure out, I still have hopefully a lot of room for improvement.
[21:18] SPEAKER_00: And then you went back after Texas and did San Francisco T100, where Julie Duron beat you and you came second, and then you went to Vancouver and you won that, and Julie Duron came second.
[21:30] SPEAKER_00: So that was the end of May was uh San Francisco, and then Vancouver was, I want to say, two weeks later in the middle of June.
[21:38] SPEAKER_01: So very good, impressive.
[21:40] SPEAKER_00: Is that right?
[21:41] SPEAKER_01: You're perfect.
[21:42] SPEAKER_00: Yep, there we go.
[21:43] SPEAKER_00: I the you know what I was thinking before we did this, Taylor, is like, oh no, it's a Taylor Nibb podcast, which are my favorite because you're one of my better friends in the sport.
[21:52] SPEAKER_00: Um, but they're also my least favorite because I have to be on my shit.
[21:56] SPEAKER_00: And so I I actually try to like because usually with with other People I just I just say close enough is good enough and they wouldn't know either.
[22:04] SPEAKER_00: But if I I know if I get it wrong with you, you'll you'll correct it straight away, as uh Alex Payne famously found out about 15 times.
[22:11] SPEAKER_00: Um which I don't know if I've told this story.
[22:16] SPEAKER_00: I've me and you have talked about it, but one day after Alex Payne did an interview with you, he came up to me.
[22:21] SPEAKER_00: He's like, Jack, what the fuck do I do?
[22:24] SPEAKER_00: Like I I can't get anything right.
[22:26] SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, mate, just stop talking about the sport factually.
[22:30] SPEAKER_00: Like, don't say, don't say to Taylor, you did this.
[22:33] SPEAKER_00: Because she'll look at you and she'll say, Well, actually.
[22:40] SPEAKER_00: Oh, so funny.
[22:42] SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, yeah, but talk to me about that.
[22:44] SPEAKER_00: How is your training going at that period?
[22:46] SPEAKER_00: Julie beat you, you come back and then beat her uh pretty convincingly at Vancouver.
[22:50] SPEAKER_00: How how were things progressing at this point, two months on from uh Texas and and all the Singapore drama?
[22:56] SPEAKER_01: Well, so I think that like my training still wasn't fantastic.
[22:59] SPEAKER_01: I wanted to do time trial nationals, and I got a four-minute voice note from my coach pretty much explaining which Dan does not, Dan's not like a like normally, like I'll get a message and it's like maybe a smart, like, like not like a four-minute, that's just like so off character.
[23:17] SPEAKER_01: And it was like literally three minutes and 52 seconds of him saying why I shouldn't do time trial nationals, and especially like with the other goals in the season, and so I pulled out of that race to actually prioritize the T100 races, which I don't want to make that like public, but people who are giving me a hard time like, oh, she was just like skipping the T100 races.
[23:37] SPEAKER_01: It's like, no, actually, my body wasn't in a great place, and I had to miss other races to prioritize the T100 races, but like fine, you can.
[23:45] SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna get criticized for whatever I do, so I've just learned that.
[23:49] SPEAKER_01: So all good.
[23:51] SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, San Francisco, I think it was a good wake-up call.
[23:54] SPEAKER_01: I'm glad I didn't win that race.
[23:56] SPEAKER_01: It was fantastic, and then but then like Vancouver, I felt like things just started to click a little more.
[24:02] SPEAKER_01: Dan and I made a little a few little adjustments in the training based on how I'd felt in San Francisco, and so that was also a fun process because it was like, okay, seeing the improvement, because it was like, okay, I might not be in a great place, but we're taking a step forward, and so that was a lot better.
[24:19] SPEAKER_00: So, what was it that you needed to change in training based on what you'd seen at San Francisco and leading into Vancouver?
[24:26] SPEAKER_01: I just felt like I was a little sluggish.
[24:28] SPEAKER_01: Um, and especially like, so I can my issue is more like once I hit a pace, I can be very good at maintaining that pace.
[24:36] SPEAKER_01: It's harder for me to get to the paces.
[24:38] SPEAKER_01: So if I start out to run slower, it's harder for me to like speed up.
[24:42] SPEAKER_01: So I kind of have to ensure within the first few minutes that I like I find my rhythm.
[24:45] SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
[24:46] SPEAKER_01: I'm getting better at that, like changing gears and stuff like that.
[24:48] SPEAKER_01: But I was just like, Dan, like I like I headed out to the run, and I felt like I was doing an Iron Man, like geez.
[24:53] SPEAKER_01: And so just um, I think we actually he just added like a few strides, and some of them were at ends of runs, and some of them were like it was like 10 minutes with it was either 100 or 150.
[25:07] SPEAKER_01: Uh, we built it across the season, so like 100, then 150, then 200 meter stride every 10 minutes in the run, like for an hour run or a 90-minute run.
[25:15] SPEAKER_01: And so that just like tiny changes, like minuscule, but it was also just like okay, reminding myself that of things that I hadn't been reminded of.
[25:24] SPEAKER_01: Because of what happened earlier in the year, and this is probably a great thing across the a key thing across the season.
[25:30] SPEAKER_01: Once he learned about the crying, Dan was very scared about my state.
[25:34] SPEAKER_01: So I think that it was my conser my training was super conservative the whole year.
[25:41] SPEAKER_01: Because so it was just like I didn't really get to do a lot of like really all out efforts or like really hard stuff.
[25:48] SPEAKER_01: It was just like kind of like the minimal effective dose on steroids, which is a oxymoron.
[25:57] SPEAKER_00: And knowing you, I don't think that's the kind of thing you would love, right?
[26:01] SPEAKER_00: Like you're someone who always wants to do more.
[26:04] SPEAKER_00: If you can picture your training as training peaks, I don't know if everyone listening uses training peaks, but uh I mean, everyone knows about ticking off green boxes.
[26:13] SPEAKER_00: Like you are the kind of person who is never really gonna have an orange or a red box on training peaks.
[26:19] SPEAKER_00: You're a green box girl all day.
[26:21] SPEAKER_00: And at this period, I'm assuming the green boxes are getting a little too easy for you to tick a little bit and you're starting to get frustrated and wanting more.
[26:28] SPEAKER_01: Yes and no, because I think my body was just my body was just tired the whole year.
[26:35] SPEAKER_01: And it was actually almost like like I was like, I was very scared of doing work because of what had happened.
[26:41] SPEAKER_01: I was like scared of overdoing it.
[26:43] SPEAKER_01: I wasn't like excited.
[26:44] SPEAKER_01: I think there was like a I would say my body, there was like a deep, deep fatigue that I just couldn't shake.
[26:50] SPEAKER_01: And I say this now, hindsight's 2020, um, based on how I feel now.
[26:56] SPEAKER_01: And like I took a more of an off-season, I got sick a few times, and so like just like that freshness I didn't have.
[27:03] SPEAKER_01: And so it was like, yeah, I would say that I didn't take a proper off-season, and I really didn't manage my January well, and then I paid for it the whole year, and it's really tough to get out of that.
[27:16] SPEAKER_01: Um, and I was just like, yeah, it just I can see it now, um, but it is what it is.
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[29:07] SPEAKER_00: They say it's a it's a famous saying that world championships are one in the preseason.
[29:11] SPEAKER_00: They're actually not really one in the block leading up to the world championships very often.
[29:16] SPEAKER_00: They're they're one a little bit earlier.
[29:17] SPEAKER_00: So it's not a surprise that uh what happened happened.
[29:20] SPEAKER_00: But we'll get we'll get to that.
[29:22] SPEAKER_00: Because firstly, we've got this whole middle of the year period.
[29:25] SPEAKER_00: So, probably like from Vancouver, you then went on to London where you came third and Lucy and Kate Wolf got the best of you there, and and then you had a little bit of a longer block into Kona.
[29:35] SPEAKER_00: Let's just talk about that whole period.
[29:37] SPEAKER_00: So, talk about the London race, but also talk about your training leading into Kona.
[29:42] SPEAKER_00: So, London was in August and then Kona's in October.
[29:45] SPEAKER_00: So you've got a couple of months there, and you had kind of a month of training between Vancouver and London.
[29:49] SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, tell me about your training in that entire block.
[29:52] SPEAKER_00: Was it all focused around Kona?
[29:54] SPEAKER_00: What kind of things were you doing?
[29:55] SPEAKER_00: How were you starting to feel?
[29:57] SPEAKER_01: So I had like great, well, so first of all, wait, can we go back to the green boxes on training peaks?
[30:01] SPEAKER_00: Of course.
[30:01] SPEAKER_01: So Dan and I actually we went to the Endurance Exchange for USA Triathon, and Dan gave a presentation, and Dan and I had a panel, and we were in this like conversation, and one of the, or we were, we were watching a panel, and one of the women on the panel said that she tells her athletes that their training peaks should be a rainbow of colors.
[30:21] SPEAKER_01: And Dan's sitting next to me, and he says, No rainbows, Taylor.
[30:28] SPEAKER_01: So I was like, okay, great, fantastic.
[30:34] SPEAKER_01: Like, first of all, if he had said we want a rainbow of colors in training peaks, well, there's one way to make that easy.
[30:40] SPEAKER_01: It's just to like, because like once you go over 120%, it turns orange, and then like you just go over.
[30:45] SPEAKER_01: Like it would not be in the lower range.
[30:48] SPEAKER_01: No way, absolutely not.
[30:50] SPEAKER_01: But um, unless like something catastrophic happened or yeah, I don't know what that would be.
[30:55] SPEAKER_01: Like I started crying again.
[30:57] SPEAKER_01: Oh, wait, no, I just run through that, so that's not an excuse.
[31:01] SPEAKER_01: But anyway, so yeah, back to the so the green is approved.
[31:06] SPEAKER_01: It is approved because also like Dan's plan is very step by step and week by week, such that you have to kick off certain things in one week to be able to progress to the next week.
[31:14] SPEAKER_01: So if you don't do your job, anyway, it's just it's a great program.
[31:20] SPEAKER_01: But so Vancouver, between Vancouver and London, training was going better.
[31:24] SPEAKER_01: I was enjoying it.
[31:26] SPEAKER_01: But then I got like a lot left.
[31:30] SPEAKER_01: I made so much fun of it for this.
[31:32] SPEAKER_01: So I got like oh, maybe like two weeks out, two or three weeks out from London.
[31:38] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I want to say three weeks out from London.
[31:41] SPEAKER_01: I might be mistaken.
[31:43] SPEAKER_01: Okay, I started getting like some tightness in my left hip.
[31:47] SPEAKER_01: And so like I go into my PT and like I'm asking, like, okay, do I have a femur stress fracture?
[31:52] SPEAKER_01: Do I have like an iliac stress fracture?
[31:54] SPEAKER_01: Do I have like a what what stress fraction do I have?
[31:56] SPEAKER_01: Like, because I was just like, it felt like that.
[31:59] SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so like I took five days off of running.
[32:03] SPEAKER_01: Dan told me I needed to get an MRI.
[32:05] SPEAKER_01: I told him that I'm addicted to MRI, so I'm not sure if that's a good thing.
[32:08] SPEAKER_01: But then after like it wasn't settling down after like three days, I like booked the MRI.
[32:12] SPEAKER_01: I'm good at booking MRI.
[32:13] SPEAKER_01: And it was a um I had a grade one strain, I think.
[32:21] SPEAKER_01: Something in my hip.
[32:23] SPEAKER_01: One of the muscles.
[32:24] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I was getting a really hard time from all of these little spools because I told everyone that I think I have a stress fractor.
[32:31] SPEAKER_01: And they're like, you have a grade one strain.
[32:34] SPEAKER_01: Everyone here probably has a grade one strain of some sort.
[32:39] SPEAKER_01: And I had it like all taped up, and I was just like, oh, I was dramatizing it.
[32:44] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so that's what happened pre-London.
[32:46] SPEAKER_01: That was great.
[32:49] SPEAKER_01: You're laughing.
[32:51] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, it's one of those things, isn't it, that any living human can go in and get an MRI, and they will have a grade one strain of something somewhere.
[32:58] SPEAKER_00: Like my grandma, who's dead, would have a grade one strain somewhere.
[33:03] SPEAKER_00: Like that's just part of an MRI.
[33:06] SPEAKER_01: I know.
[33:07] SPEAKER_01: So I was like, yeah, like I was like, I was like, I'm fully broken, like my season's done, like not dramatic at all.
[33:19] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so everyone uh makes fun of it still to this day, which is good.
[33:24] SPEAKER_01: I mean, but like I think I'm like I've improved.
[33:27] SPEAKER_01: Like I ran through a broken foot for five months.
[33:30] SPEAKER_01: So I mean, if I'm feeling a grade one strain tenderly, it's great.
[33:34] SPEAKER_00: That's the bad thing, right?
[33:35] SPEAKER_00: Is that you have something that you think feels like a substantial injury, you go and get an MRI and it's like a grade one strain.
[33:42] SPEAKER_00: So basically you don't have an injury or pretty close to.
[33:45] SPEAKER_00: And then so when it happens next time, you're like, oh, it'll be nothing.
[33:48] SPEAKER_00: And then it's like, oh, you've now turned a stress reaction into a stress fracture and you're gonna be out for like 12 weeks because you didn't act on it.
[33:55] SPEAKER_00: So it's like it's tricky because even though like it's a bit silly and it's a little bit embarrassing or whatever, because you're being a drama queen, you don't want to then start like um treating all the um ongoing niggles you have lightly because of it, because one of those times that is gonna be as stressy, isn't it?
[34:12] SPEAKER_01: Well, hopefully not.
[34:13] SPEAKER_01: I hope well, but but yes, it might be.
[34:15] SPEAKER_01: Um so you have to always respect it.
[34:17] SPEAKER_01: But I think also based on my previous training plan, I was just like, I had a lot of I think there wasn't a lot of rest in it.
[34:27] SPEAKER_01: So therefore my sense of feel was a little off.
[34:32] SPEAKER_01: My pain tolerance was highly decreased because of all the hormones that were constantly and like very stressed hormones.
[34:38] SPEAKER_01: Um, and so that can blunt my sense of um pain a lot, but now so I think now like that it's I'm a little bit more normalized, I'm a little bit more reactive because of what used to be.
[34:50] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, like you have to you have to also think of contextually and like yeah, it's all just great.
[34:56] SPEAKER_01: But I got so I got very lucky, and then I went to London, and that was not a great race at all in any way, shape, or form.
[35:04] SPEAKER_00: I I reckon that was the worst race I've seen you do in the last two to three years in Triathlon.
[35:10] SPEAKER_00: Like by far, I reckon.
[35:11] SPEAKER_00: I was like, what is the this is just not the Taylor nib I've known probably since what do you reckon?
[35:16] SPEAKER_00: Probably since like 2023, maybe even earlier.
[35:19] SPEAKER_01: No, 2023, I think I raced well most of the year.
[35:22] SPEAKER_01: I would say either like Cagliari in 2024 or even the Olympics in 2024, like because those were poor races.
[35:29] SPEAKER_00: I was kind of not counting short course though.
[35:31] SPEAKER_00: I was like, because yes, I I would agree with that.
[35:33] SPEAKER_00: I was more thinking like middle distance, long distance Taylor, but really you haven't had a bad race.
[35:38] SPEAKER_00: God, you haven't had a bad race before that, like maybe maybe like 2021, I don't know, when you were still on a road bike.
[35:45] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[35:46] SPEAKER_00: Anyway, it was it was not the Taylor nib I'd gotten to know.
[35:49] SPEAKER_00: That's what that's what I thought.
[35:51] SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, like I was nauseous on the swim, and I like I told some people that and someone was like, Are you pregnant?
[35:56] SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Well, I I love that that's the first thought that comes to your mind.
[36:00] SPEAKER_01: I was like, No, I was really just nauseous, thank you.
[36:03] SPEAKER_01: But um, great.
[36:07] SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what friends are for.
[36:09] SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, the bike, I just had no power, like none.
[36:13] SPEAKER_01: I also couldn't sit on my saddle because of my like so I got the wrong tri-suit with the wrong chamois, and I actually could not sit on the saddle, which is fantastic.
[36:22] SPEAKER_01: Um, that's kind of integral.
[36:24] SPEAKER_01: So, like, when a when a company is like, well, this is really fast, I'm like, well, I need to actually sit on the saddle and push power because like if it's four watts faster, but I can't push any power, that's kind of an issue.
[36:36] SPEAKER_01: Um, still working through that.
[36:38] SPEAKER_01: And then, sorry, this is transparent tail, or maybe not professional tailor.
[36:43] SPEAKER_01: And then, oh but but here, but you know what the irony behind the situation was that so on the bike, where I'm having probably my worst ride in years, if not ever.
[36:59] SPEAKER_01: I do know what I was telling myself.
[37:01] SPEAKER_01: Tell me, maybe this will be the time that you have a fantastic run because you've saved all this energy.
[37:07] SPEAKER_01: Because Dan's always talking about like energy, and I'm like, well, you know what?
[37:11] SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be a fantastic run.
[37:13] SPEAKER_01: Like, it was not.
[37:15] SPEAKER_01: Um, it was such a slog.
[37:18] SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
[37:19] SPEAKER_01: Like, you gotta be optimistic, you gotta give yourself a chance.
[37:23] SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah.
[37:24] SPEAKER_01: But it was also good, I think, just like kick me in the butt.
[37:27] SPEAKER_01: Like, you know what?
[37:28] SPEAKER_01: It's not the end of the world.
[37:29] SPEAKER_00: There's a saying in the running world that it's like you shouldn't run a good half marathon a few weeks out from your uh like a marathon, you know, it's a sign that you're probably not in the best marathon shape.
[37:41] SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, we saw we well, we've seen lots of examples of people have good 70.3s and then go on to have good Iron Man world championships.
[37:48] SPEAKER_00: Craig Alexander would always race one two to four weeks out, and and you we know what he did at Kona.
[37:53] SPEAKER_00: But we've also seen the opposite where people are in great T100 or 70.3 shape, like I think about Sam Lato, for example, or or that kind of thing.
[38:02] SPEAKER_00: And then they go to their their Iron Man World Championships and they don't have such a good race.
[38:07] SPEAKER_00: So were you at the time thinking, well, okay, I didn't have the best race there.
[38:12] SPEAKER_00: There was some things going on, but it doesn't matter because I'm training for the Iron Man World Championships, and I don't need to be really fit over this distance.
[38:19] SPEAKER_00: I just need to be really fit over 180k on the bike and a marathon off that in a couple of months' time.
[38:25] SPEAKER_01: No, that's not what I thought at all.
[38:26] SPEAKER_01: Actually, Dan messaged me after the race and he's like, we need to talk like what happened.
[38:32] SPEAKER_01: Like, he's like, There's like no power on the bike, like what's what's going on?
[38:38] SPEAKER_01: Um, and so just kind of like yeah, it was like it was it was interesting to actually have a bad race um like that.
[38:45] SPEAKER_01: And so, because also I think it's less comparing myself to other people and more like what's normal for myself, and at this period of time, like I mean, I average more power in Kona than I averaged in London, and that's just like not good.
[39:03] SPEAKER_01: Um, but then we considered like I think my drop down was a little bit off.
[39:07] SPEAKER_01: I think I mistimed it.
[39:08] SPEAKER_01: I think I came a day too early, just how I felt.
[39:11] SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, they're just a number of factors, so it was just kind of like, you know what, like 2025 will be a learning year, and we can like you you have to learn from those kinds of races and see what you can do better and what you can do differently when it they happen.
[39:25] SPEAKER_01: Because but it was just like it was shocking because but I I I also think it told me a lot, like I just wasn't excited by those races, and I was doing London very much, so I I I wanted to do the French Rivera race, and I was planning on doing that end of June, but then it got moved to end of August, and so to protect my Kona block, we decided to do London instead.
[39:50] SPEAKER_01: So that's the whole reason I why I did London, and I think that like ultimately it showed in Kona, like I was focused on Kona, but I think I was just really not.
[40:00] SPEAKER_01: London was just ticking a box and trying to fulfill things, and I don't really I'll show up, I'll give my best effort on the day, but it's not you're not going to get the best out of me.
[40:10] SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to like pour myself into a competition that way.
[40:14] SPEAKER_01: And it's a very different version of myself that I'll get very soon.
[40:18] SPEAKER_00: So you you protected that training block.
[40:20] SPEAKER_00: It was about, it would have been about an eight-week block, give or take, plus minus one week, probably.
[40:25] SPEAKER_00: How did that block go into Kona?
[40:26] SPEAKER_00: What kind of things were you doing?
[40:28] SPEAKER_00: Talk talk to us about some of the sessions maybe at this point.
[40:30] SPEAKER_00: We haven't really dove into session details or training specifics at this point, so maybe this is the time to do that.
[40:36] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, holy smokes.
[40:37] SPEAKER_01: Wow.
[40:38] SPEAKER_01: Um, so I think I had, well, I went to the wind tunnel after, and then I had like a few easy days, and I think my Kona build started seven weeks out of Kona.
[40:48] SPEAKER_01: So like the following Monday, um, which I think means six weeks and a week of taper, because that's what I had.
[40:54] SPEAKER_01: And like I saw on training weeks like Kona build starts, and I think of like the Tuesday or Wednesday run, and I was I was telling Lawrence, I was like, he was riding and I was running, and I'm like, I was just like so not into it.
[41:08] SPEAKER_01: Like this isn't how I'm like, this is not how it needs to be.
[41:11] SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm I'm just like anyway, so I was like, I'm gonna give it two weeks and then see, like maybe I just like rehash the back of my season or call it quits, kind of thing.
[41:19] SPEAKER_01: And so it was Tuesday.
[41:22] SPEAKER_01: Because then Wednesday night, I get a call from his wife, Gwen.
[41:26] SPEAKER_01: And Gwen's pretty much like, well, I've curse.
[41:31] SPEAKER_01: She's like, I gotta call it.
[41:32] SPEAKER_01: She's like, what the fuck am I hearing?
[41:34] SPEAKER_01: That you're not gonna do Kona?
[41:36] SPEAKER_01: Like, what I got a 30-minute call, uh lecture about like that, like I was doing Kona, and it was she had a whole plan.
[41:46] SPEAKER_01: She made a one-pager for me, and like she's like, Here's what you need, Taylor.
[41:51] SPEAKER_01: It needs to be root, it needs to revolve around joy.
[41:54] SPEAKER_01: That's your key root.
[41:55] SPEAKER_01: And then she's like, You need alignment on the team, no excuses, no drama, line in the sand, you're in or out.
[42:01] SPEAKER_01: She's like, clear expectations, clear communication, everything.
[42:04] SPEAKER_01: You need alignment in your life.
[42:06] SPEAKER_01: And then she's like, What's your third point?
[42:08] SPEAKER_01: She's like, Why are you doing it?
[42:09] SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Well, I want to see what's possible.
[42:11] SPEAKER_01: So we had it as exploration.
[42:12] SPEAKER_01: It could have been curiosity, something like that.
[42:14] SPEAKER_01: But those are my three main points.
[42:16] SPEAKER_01: And so, like, throughout the whole block, it was very much like joy, alignment, exploration.
[42:21] SPEAKER_01: That's my reasoning, that's my why, that's everything that like, how do I fit everything into that if I'm ever feeling lost or unanchored?
[42:29] SPEAKER_01: And so, I guess also with that, like you can kind of how the day went in Kona walking away, it was like full of joy, even as tough as it was.
[42:42] SPEAKER_01: Like, my team was fully aligned, and I was also aligned, like myself, and then it was fully exploration and seeing what was possible.
[42:50] SPEAKER_01: And it was, and that's I think in part, first of all, it helped me so much in those six weeks going into the race, because then like once I got that lecture from Gwen, like I just like turned.
[43:02] SPEAKER_01: It was the similar, it was similar to like after Singapore, which is a good thing for me to learn that I can like just like switch on like that, and also when it's lacking, but like yeah, it was just it was very much a shift, so yes, and then I had a ton of fun in that block.
[43:18] SPEAKER_01: Oh, I was having so much fun.
[43:20] SPEAKER_01: So sessions though, you want to know some sessions?
[43:22] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I want to know some sessions because I remember this period because you messaged me and said that you were thinking about not racing, and I was like, what the hell?
[43:30] SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, come on, you can you can win this, like we've got time, and you just weren't you weren't into it at all.
[43:36] SPEAKER_00: And you're like, I just I honestly don't think I'm gonna race.
[43:38] SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wow, okay.
[43:40] SPEAKER_00: So Taylor Nib's out of Kona, and I I like I obviously you can't say that to anyone, so I didn't have anyone to talk to about it.
[43:46] SPEAKER_00: But then but then you ended up getting on the start line.
[43:48] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, clearly that that pep talk and the plan.
[43:51] SPEAKER_00: I think you love plans.
[43:52] SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know if I know anyone who loves a plan more than you.
[43:56] SPEAKER_00: So I think you just needed a plan.
[43:58] SPEAKER_01: Dan likes a plan more than me.
[44:00] SPEAKER_01: Potentially.
[44:00] SPEAKER_00: Dan likes a plant, but he's German.
[44:02] SPEAKER_00: We don't count Germans in that.
[44:03] SPEAKER_01: No, he's from Luxembourg.
[44:06] SPEAKER_00: He lives in Germany.
[44:07] SPEAKER_00: He's a full German these days.
[44:08] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but like when you were living in Andorra, were you Andoran?
[44:12] SPEAKER_01: Were you not an Australian?
[44:13] SPEAKER_00: No, you're right.
[44:14] SPEAKER_00: But like I I would say this to Dan's face.
[44:17] SPEAKER_00: He's far more German than he is anything else these days.
[44:19] SPEAKER_00: And you know that's true.
[44:21] SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know.
[44:21] SPEAKER_01: I don't want to stereotype, but anyway.
[44:23] SPEAKER_01: So but I also want to say it's like it's coming from a place of the utmost respect for my competition.
[44:30] SPEAKER_01: And like I don't want to line up and give a half-ass half-ass effort.
[44:34] SPEAKER_01: That's not respectful to me.
[44:36] SPEAKER_01: That's not respectful to them.
[44:37] SPEAKER_01: That's not respectful to the sport.
[44:39] SPEAKER_01: That's not respectful to my sponsors.
[44:40] SPEAKER_01: That's just like not okay in my book.
[44:44] SPEAKER_01: And it's one thing if something happens, like, let's say you're like doing your best and you get a little niggle or an injury that you have to manage.
[44:51] SPEAKER_01: But if you're like, I'm just so off the ball and I cannot figure this out.
[44:56] SPEAKER_01: And it will also wasn't, I I also want to give it context of like, this wasn't just like a week of this.
[45:02] SPEAKER_01: This was like, I was dealing with this since January and something was off, and it was showing in my racing, it was showing in my training, it was showing in my life.
[45:10] SPEAKER_01: It was just like I was just like a shell of a human, um, which I don't love to be, but is what it is.
[45:15] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[45:16] SPEAKER_01: So things changed.
[45:17] SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I had a really fun Kona build.
[45:19] SPEAKER_01: And I got to do three swims a week, quality swims, three quality runs, and I only did one quality bike a week, which I was very sad about.
[45:27] SPEAKER_01: My longest ride going into Kona was four hours and thirty-two minutes.
[45:31] SPEAKER_01: My race time was four thirty-one fifty-three, I think.
[45:34] SPEAKER_00: No, no, I reckon you were four thirty-one flat.
[45:37] SPEAKER_00: I reckon wasn't solving four thirty-one fifty and you were like 50 seconds faster.
[45:42] SPEAKER_00: Pretty sure.
[45:42] SPEAKER_01: But it doesn't count because I didn't finish.
[45:45] SPEAKER_01: I mean, do you want to know one of the biggest accomplishments in Kona that I had?
[45:48] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, tell me.
[45:49] SPEAKER_01: I had the fastest second transition.
[45:51] SPEAKER_01: And I had the fastest sec combined transition times.
[45:55] SPEAKER_01: I've never had that in my life.
[45:57] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that does surprise me.
[45:59] SPEAKER_01: That shocks me.
[46:00] SPEAKER_01: T2 is a very big weakness.
[46:02] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[46:02] SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
[46:04] SPEAKER_00: Especially like faster than Solvig.
[46:05] SPEAKER_00: Solvig's pretty fast through transitions.
[46:08] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's good.
[46:09] SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
[46:10] SPEAKER_01: Doesn't count though.
[46:11] SPEAKER_01: I needed to get over that finish line.
[46:13] SPEAKER_00: Would have been better if you uh had to finish the run.
[46:16] SPEAKER_00: I would probably have preferred a bit of a slower T2 and not have you on the side of the road at 38.6k or whatever it was.
[46:23] SPEAKER_01: But uh 39k.
[46:26] SPEAKER_01: I'll keep correcting you.
[46:28] SPEAKER_01: We can keep well, I'll just fulfill my role of correcting.
[46:34] SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if you did get to 39.
[46:36] SPEAKER_00: You if you did, you only got it by about 50 meters, I reckon.
[46:39] SPEAKER_00: Okay.
[46:40] SPEAKER_01: Well, I think my Garmin, which by the way, funny story.
[46:43] SPEAKER_01: I managed to save my Garmin file.
[46:45] SPEAKER_01: I was unconscious.
[46:47] SPEAKER_01: It just like the habits came through.
[46:49] SPEAKER_01: Um way.
[46:51] SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, we can talk about some of these things.
[46:53] SPEAKER_01: It was funny.
[46:54] SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, very funny.
[46:56] SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll come back to it.
[46:57] SPEAKER_00: We'll come back to it.
[46:58] SPEAKER_00: Uh because trust me, we're gonna get into what happened at Kona.
[47:01] SPEAKER_01: My Garmin file is 39.4k.
[47:04] SPEAKER_00: Right.
[47:04] SPEAKER_00: Okay, there you go.
[47:06] SPEAKER_00: You can't GPS a little bit off, but yeah, maybe.
[47:09] SPEAKER_01: But so let's say 39k.
[47:11] SPEAKER_01: Still, it's not 38k.
[47:13] SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I made it a little further than that.
[47:17] SPEAKER_00: I only say it because I was talking to you at um at Mar Baya at the 70.3 World Championships, and I said it was like, what was it, about 38.5k, and you hated it.
[47:26] SPEAKER_00: So now every time we talk about it, it always takes 38 something, and you hate it.
[47:30] SPEAKER_00: Um, even though I think you know I'm taking the piss out of it.
[47:35] SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that February and March are two of the most risky months of the year for getting injured, and I think maybe it's a little bit underrated how risky this period is.
[47:44] SPEAKER_00: Your base training is really ramping up if you're in the northern hemisphere, or if you're in the southern hemisphere, then you're summer training and life's good and you're training the house down until it's not.
[47:54] SPEAKER_00: Either way, races are either happening right now or they're just around the corner.
[47:58] SPEAKER_00: So one thing you can do to help with minimizing injury risk is taking collagen-by-pillar performance.
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[48:26] SPEAKER_00: And I certainly have noticed it recently with my left hip that have been causing me all sorts of issues pretty much every day.
[48:32] SPEAKER_00: So I reached out to Damo, who owns Pillar, uh, and just said, look, will collagen actually help?
[48:38] SPEAKER_00: Do you really think it'll help?
[48:39] SPEAKER_00: He said, mate, absolutely.
[48:40] SPEAKER_00: Like we don't make it because we don't think it'll help.
[48:42] SPEAKER_00: And I really trust Damo.
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[48:46] SPEAKER_00: So I listened to it, and sure enough, it's really bloody helped.
[48:50] SPEAKER_00: Like it's really bloody helped.
[48:52] SPEAKER_00: And maybe it's other things.
[48:53] SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
[48:53] SPEAKER_00: Like maybe I've been sleeping better, or maybe I've been, I don't know, maybe it's some shoes I've worn.
[48:58] SPEAKER_00: But I think I've been doing everything exactly the same.
[49:01] SPEAKER_00: And the only real change I've made is going the one scoop of collagen every morning with my coffee.
[49:06] SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's just way less of an issue to the point where it's almost not even an issue anymore.
[49:11] SPEAKER_00: And it was a real, real issue.
[49:12] SPEAKER_00: So I don't know, try it for yourself if you've got any niggles or if you've had a like a history of niggles and you just want to get on top of it and prevent it.
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[49:41] SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I think the the thing I wanted to talk about because again, I I talk I was talking to you during this Kona block and you said how you were only doing one bike session a week, and I found that really interesting.
[49:52] SPEAKER_00: And you sent me some of the sessions that you were doing and power numbers as well, even though I know we're not going to get them out of you here because uh Yeah, that's been uh that's been something I've actually cop shit about.
[50:02] SPEAKER_00: People think I pressure you into trying to give power numbers too much, so I'm not gonna pressure you into giving power numbers, but those bike sessions, they were pretty big sessions.
[50:09] SPEAKER_00: Talk to me about the the one bike session a week you were doing.
[50:12] SPEAKER_01: Well, wait, wait, one second.
[50:13] SPEAKER_01: Um, I think we need to have some uh how about roughly how much of what you say is sarcasm?
[50:18] SPEAKER_00: Uh 50.
[50:19] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I would say about 50% is my also.
[50:22] SPEAKER_01: So if people are like too serious and they think that we're just like being mean to each other, I hope that they can reassess their lives and gain some more joy.
[50:32] SPEAKER_01: Joy alignment and exploration into sarcasm.
[50:38] SPEAKER_01: Double baseball sessions savage.
[50:41] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[50:42] SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I had a bike progression.
[50:43] SPEAKER_01: I need to figure I I don't remember it fully now.
[50:46] SPEAKER_01: It was a little while back now, but it was a big like it would it was every Wednesday, and so I just have a nice big ride.
[50:54] SPEAKER_01: And I think it was like four by twenty minutes, four by thirty minutes, hour thirty-thirty minutes, something like that.
[51:01] SPEAKER_01: Um, and it was so fun.
[51:03] SPEAKER_01: Patrick actually would come to me.
[51:05] SPEAKER_01: Patrick, my manager, would come with me for some of it, and he never did the whole session.
[51:09] SPEAKER_01: He'd always skip the last interval.
[51:11] SPEAKER_00: So you got up to two by one hour, didn't you?
[51:14] SPEAKER_01: I think maybe.
[51:15] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[51:15] SPEAKER_01: Or it was, it was let me sorry, I'm looking at it.
[51:18] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was either two, I think it was hour 30-30.
[51:22] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[51:23] SPEAKER_00: Hour 30-30.
[51:24] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[51:25] SPEAKER_01: Which I thoroughly enjoyed.
[51:27] SPEAKER_01: And when you like tell people that you're doing like an hour interval on the bike, they're like, don't love that, but all good.
[51:34] SPEAKER_00: And what about your running?
[51:35] SPEAKER_00: Like you were doing two run sessions a week.
[51:36] SPEAKER_00: What were they looking like?
[51:37] SPEAKER_00: How was your long run three?
[51:39] SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, three.
[51:40] SPEAKER_00: How was your long run looking?
[51:41] SPEAKER_01: Well, so it was interesting because I don't want to give away all Dan's secrets, but I would do a Tuesday session, and I'm trying to think of like what I would do on Tuesday.
[51:48] SPEAKER_01: Oh, I had a fun progression on Tuesday.
[51:50] SPEAKER_01: It was like, it was building into I think it was like five by three K.
[51:54] SPEAKER_01: And so I think the first week it was like four by two K and then built up to that, and so that was more like it wasn't threshold, but it was like Dan's like zone three.
[52:05] SPEAKER_01: Like if zone four is threshold, it's zone three, so subthreshold.
[52:09] SPEAKER_01: Um, it was like short rests in between, and so that was a fun session.
[52:12] SPEAKER_01: But then Saturday and Sunday, on Saturday, I would do a hill session, and it built to like six by ten minutes uphill, and then Sunday I would do a progressive long run, which would end at like it would progress to like an hour at the end at Iron Man pace.
[52:27] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it was very fun.
[52:29] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[52:29] SPEAKER_01: But then also the weekend I was getting like 46 to 48k of running in.
[52:34] SPEAKER_01: So then it was within a 24 hour period I was getting that instead of like a super long long run.
[52:40] SPEAKER_01: Because I think the longest long run I had was like hour 55 minutes.
[52:44] SPEAKER_01: Um, but coming off of like the fatigue of the previous day, and that's how it and it was just fun, like because also you could see the progression week by week, and so it was like not only is it a harder session, but I was doing it better.
[52:58] SPEAKER_00: Oh, that just like it kind of showed on race day because that was the memory I have of what when you were telling me about your training leading in was that those big rum weekends, I was like, well, she's either gonna run really well and be really strong or be a bit cooked, I think.
[53:11] SPEAKER_00: Because like correct me if I'm wrong, Taylor, but it it seemed to me to be quite a step up in volume of of running compared to what you had been doing.
[53:20] SPEAKER_00: Like maybe not overall in a week, but in that like 24, 48 hour period.
[53:25] SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't recall you ever telling me uh that you'd done anything that big.
[53:29] SPEAKER_00: So it it was kind of like gonna uh end well or end poorly, was what I was thinking at the time.
[53:34] SPEAKER_00: And I actually think it ended really well.
[53:37] SPEAKER_00: Like, I know you didn't get there in the marathon, but look what happened to Lucy.
[53:40] SPEAKER_00: Like you and Lucy basically had quite similar races.
[53:44] SPEAKER_00: You rode a little bit faster, rode up to her, but you you had very similar races, and it kind of got her at the halfway mark, whereas you you were like 2k away from winning an Iron Man World Championships, and I was shocked at how strong you ran.
[53:57] SPEAKER_00: I was like, wow, off that bike, you know, with that battle with Lucy, I actually thought at 16k your your day was done, going up Polani, you Lucy passes you, and I'm like, wow, okay.
[54:08] SPEAKER_00: I I thought Taylor was going to be better than that today.
[54:10] SPEAKER_00: But you it was like you were just a bit of a different runner, like you you had durability that I don't think you had had in the past, and you held on really strongly.
[54:19] SPEAKER_00: Do you do you put it down to what you did in this block?
[54:22] SPEAKER_01: Yes, well, so I think let's rewind a little bit.
[54:25] SPEAKER_01: So when Dan started coaching me, he received me as an athlete.
[54:30] SPEAKER_01: And it's like if you'd seen my lack of consistency in running, I had a lot of running injuries, like a lot of running injuries.
[54:37] SPEAKER_01: And so he's like, okay, first step is we need to gain some consistency.
[54:40] SPEAKER_01: So going into the Olympics, when I felt like I was running really well, or like short course-wise, um, I was averaging about 50k a week.
[54:49] SPEAKER_01: I would run four days a week, and I think my long run was like maybe 70-75 minutes.
[54:56] SPEAKER_01: Like I was itching.
[54:58] SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I was so anxious.
[55:00] SPEAKER_01: I was so like, I want to do more, um, but I was still progressing and I was still really improving.
[55:07] SPEAKER_01: But then, um, and so then at the beginning of like the second half of the year, I gained some more consistency, and maybe we built it up to like I think I did like in the fall, I did like a 90-minute long run once or twice.
[55:17] SPEAKER_01: Like, wow.
[55:19] SPEAKER_01: And then in the first half of the year, while I hadn't been that great with the training, I had gained some more consistency.
[55:25] SPEAKER_01: So I would say that like in college, I had a year where I ran like some 100k weeks.
[55:29] SPEAKER_01: That was probably the highest, and I didn't respond well to that.
[55:32] SPEAKER_01: But like my sweet spot's like 70 to 80k, and I was probably in the 75 to 80k range most of the Kona build.
[55:40] SPEAKER_01: So that was like the first per week, which isn't a lot, but like for me, that's what works for now.
[55:46] SPEAKER_01: So, yes.
[55:48] SPEAKER_01: So there's some context of like I need to regain that durability, I think, which just takes time, and so it was also like a because I think my Texas longest long run was like an hour and 45 minutes easy.
[55:59] SPEAKER_01: Like, I also the fun thing was like seeing how okay, I knew what we had done to prepare for Texas, and then I knew what we were doing for Kona.
[56:05] SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, I think it should be better by a long shot.
[56:09] SPEAKER_00: Okay, so now going into the race, how are you feeling?
[56:13] SPEAKER_00: Because it does sound like you've turned things around, at least well, it almost to me sounds like you've turned things around fully.
[56:20] SPEAKER_00: So how are you feeling?
[56:22] SPEAKER_00: Like, let's say race week, taper week.
[56:24] SPEAKER_00: Are you are you still feeling super fatigued like you had been all year?
[56:28] SPEAKER_00: Do you still have that little bit of tiredness still in you, even though your training block had kind of maybe you turned around a little bit, or are you like, okay, I can win this?
[56:38] SPEAKER_01: I think well, so like let's go back to Texas and like the distance.
[56:41] SPEAKER_01: I think I still I felt like I came away from Texas and I'm like, I still need to learn so much more about this distance.
[56:46] SPEAKER_01: And so I even asked Dan, I'm like, should we do another Iron Man this year?
[56:50] SPEAKER_01: Like just to learn.
[56:51] SPEAKER_01: And he's like, no, like just trust me, you'll be ready based on what we're doing.
[56:57] SPEAKER_01: Um, I was feeling great when I got to Kona.
[57:01] SPEAKER_01: Like, fantastic.
[57:02] SPEAKER_01: I was swimming really well, running real really well.
[57:05] SPEAKER_01: I think the whole year, I would say my biking was probably like 80 to 90 percent.
[57:10] SPEAKER_01: Like it's good, it wasn't great.
[57:12] SPEAKER_01: Um, but I have high standards for my riding, so that's just what it is.
[57:16] SPEAKER_01: But then the the day before the race, I woke up and my resting heart rate was really high, and my HRV had plummeted, which wasn't supposed to happen.
[57:28] SPEAKER_01: Like if it's not TMI, my period is every 35 days, and this was like I had gotten it three weeks before the race day, which is pretty much like perfect timing.
[57:39] SPEAKER_01: My HRV and resting heart rate do that probably the week before I get my period, which would have been like a week after, starting a week after the race.
[57:47] SPEAKER_01: Like I was in a great position that like hormonally, so it wasn't hormonal.
[57:51] SPEAKER_01: Um, my heart rate was super high for my shakeout stuff, and then the night before the race, I put like water bottles all over me because I was just like boiling in bed.
[58:01] SPEAKER_01: Um my dad's like, what are you doing?
[58:04] SPEAKER_01: I'm like, the air conditioning's not working.
[58:06] SPEAKER_01: Like, sorry, I know like before a race, like you're not always your best self if you're very nervous.
[58:13] SPEAKER_01: Generalizing this, that's just important of me.
[58:15] SPEAKER_01: I can get a little snappy, short, aggressive, like anyway.
[58:21] SPEAKER_01: But I was like, I made it air conditioning like 15 times.
[58:26] SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I didn't sleep really well race today.
[58:28] SPEAKER_01: Race day I woke up, I put my core sensor on, and like I went out to like put my bottles in and like set up transition, and I came back and my the core sensor like calibrates to 37.0, and it already said my core center my core temperature was 37.8 degrees.
[58:42] SPEAKER_01: And so like I text Dan and I'm like, oh, also I woke up race morning, and for the first time in my life, my Garmin told me that my skin temperature was elevated.
[58:52] SPEAKER_01: It has never told me that before.
[58:55] SPEAKER_01: So Dan's like, it'll it's fine, it'll be fine once the race starts.
[58:59] SPEAKER_01: It'll be fine once the race starts, and which he can't tell me anything else.
[59:03] SPEAKER_01: Like, that's what he needs to say.
[59:04] SPEAKER_01: And so, like, I look up on my phone like reasons for elevated skin temperature.
[59:09] SPEAKER_01: And reason number seven on Google, really reliable source, is stress and anxiety.
[59:16] SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, okay, perfect, check, we're good.
[59:19] SPEAKER_01: Fine, absolutely excellent.
[59:21] SPEAKER_01: This is the reason.
[59:23] SPEAKER_01: Well, the story to tell yourself.
[59:26] SPEAKER_00: Taylor.
[59:27] SPEAKER_00: Taylor.
[59:30] SPEAKER_00: It's the morning of the IMAM World Championships, and you're on Google asking it why your skin temperature might be elevated, and you're going down to reason number seven on the Google list looking for reassurance.
[59:45] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[59:46] SPEAKER_01: I also asked a friend, I'm like, oh, I'm like, I think I'm sick.
[59:49] SPEAKER_01: Like, I just like I really think I'm sick.
[59:52] SPEAKER_01: And my friend's like, well, just have to race.
[59:55] SPEAKER_01: Like, all good.
[59:58] SPEAKER_00: Spoiler alert, you were sick.
[1:00:01] SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, like, well, and so that was the thing, but I was like, Mr.
[1:00:06] SPEAKER_01: Are you telling yourself the whole day?
[1:00:07] SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, it'll it'll feel better.
[1:00:09] SPEAKER_01: Like that from the third stroke, like when I got in the swim to like warm up, I was like, oh, I just felt awful.
[1:00:15] SPEAKER_01: And then like by the third, and and this is what Dan loved learning in the medical tent.
[1:00:19] SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, I felt like crap from the third stroke of the swim.
[1:00:23] SPEAKER_01: And he's like, the third stroke?
[1:00:26] SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, I just felt like crap.
[1:00:28] SPEAKER_01: So that's why I like, and then I felt like I was working too hard, and like, so then I like sat in and I like chilled the whole swim, but then I get out, I get onto my bike, and I look at my core temperature, and it's 38.3 on my sensor, which I know that once it gets to 38.4, it becomes uncontrollable.
[1:00:44] SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, well, you gotta just like chill, you gotta like get this down.
[1:00:48] SPEAKER_01: Um, and so like I was like I think I was half-assing it, but I was just kind of like riding controlled to like not spike anything.
[1:01:00] SPEAKER_01: And I was like, well, like it was a little like wet, chilled, like, but then finally when we descended to like road out like the first 90 minutes, once I got like some water on me and cold water, it finally started.
[1:01:12] SPEAKER_01: I think it was like 37.9 when I started the climb to Javi, like the 18 miles.
[1:01:18] SPEAKER_01: And then Dan said that I if I felt good, I could start going then.
[1:01:22] SPEAKER_01: So I was like, okay, we get to go, which is fun.
[1:01:26] SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah.
[1:01:28] SPEAKER_01: I had a little spike in there when I caught Lucy, and yes, that was fun.
[1:01:33] unknown: Sorry, like jeez.
[1:01:37] SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, I was just like battling that the whole day, and it was like still high, but I was like, okay, fine.
[1:01:43] SPEAKER_01: Um, in retrospect, Dan said that looking, if he just looked at my heart rate from my bike, he's like, you went way too hard.
[1:01:50] SPEAKER_01: He's like, but then when I looked at your power file, he's like, well, that was like really conservative.
[1:01:55] SPEAKER_01: So he's like, you were just working so hard the whole day.
[1:01:58] SPEAKER_01: Um and then on the run, I actually saw Lawrence and Gwen probably like 2K in, and I was this close to stopping because I felt so crappy.
[1:02:12] SPEAKER_01: But um, I have a rule that I broke because I have rules in my life and I break them.
[1:02:16] SPEAKER_01: And one of my rules that has kept me going is when I'm in the lead of a race, I'm not allowed to stop because I'm still doing decently, and so only once I get past can I consider that.
[1:02:28] SPEAKER_01: Not that it's ever really happened, but I was like, no, you can't stop because you're still leading, so like wait until someone surpasses you.
[1:02:34] SPEAKER_01: Um, and then it was like, Oh, well, you might be able to still get on the podium, like just like the things you tell yourself, but yeah, so I was just like running super conservatively, pace-wise.
[1:02:44] SPEAKER_01: Um, and I thought my heart rate was really conservative, but Dan's like, it was so high.
[1:02:48] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, but all good.
[1:02:51] SPEAKER_00: There's a couple of things to talk about up until this point, and one of them is your climb up to Harvey, because that was maybe the craziest thing I've seen in an IMAN World Championships.
[1:03:01] SPEAKER_00: And I think even you think that was crazy, like just how much faster you rode up that climb than every single other person in the field.
[1:03:08] SPEAKER_00: So talk to me about that climb you did because it was pretty special.
[1:03:12] SPEAKER_01: Well, I just felt like I could actually ride at that point, um, which was nice.
[1:03:16] SPEAKER_01: And so, and Dan had given me permission to insert three by ten minute surges if I wanted to throughout the race.
[1:03:22] SPEAKER_01: And so I decided, like, because I was like, you know what?
[1:03:25] SPEAKER_01: Like, you just gotta my because also my gaps to Lucy were just like they were increasing like 10 seconds every time I got a time split.
[1:03:32] SPEAKER_01: And I think it was like two minutes and ten seconds going to the harbor, and I was like, well, you know what, you're blind, but you gotta at least try to make some inroads.
[1:03:39] SPEAKER_01: So, like, put in a good 10-minute surge.
[1:03:41] SPEAKER_01: Like, you can't go crazy because you can't spike it.
[1:03:43] SPEAKER_01: I was still like probably 90% of threshold or so, um, and was just like see what happens.
[1:03:50] SPEAKER_01: And I think it was like it was near like the nine minute, 10-minute mark that I could start to see Lucy, and so then I was like, okay, like you can go to 15 minutes, you're allowed to do that.
[1:03:59] SPEAKER_01: So that was like racing strategies, but because also I wanted I I almost wanted her, I wanted her help for the descent, because I'm not as great at that, and I know that she has done it a lot more times than me, and seeing in Mar Baya how she was handling the wind, it was a lot better than me.
[1:04:15] SPEAKER_01: Um, so I'm like, okay, but I was planning to stop in hobby, so put my foot down, get my stuff, because I was very good with my nutrition.
[1:04:23] SPEAKER_01: I've never been that good with my nutrition before.
[1:04:25] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and so in 15, it was about it was about 15 minutes.
[1:04:29] SPEAKER_00: You put two minutes or or slightly over two minutes into Lucy Charles Barclay, who was riding the next fastest out on that course at that point.
[1:04:37] SPEAKER_00: Solvi kind of was pretty similar to Lucy, but you know, she was pretty much riding the next fastest out on course, and you put two minutes into it over 15 minutes.
[1:04:47] SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know if it was all that and if it was also the previous part, too.
[1:04:52] SPEAKER_01: Um, because I don't know how because I did raise my power a fair amount once I started to climb to hobby.
[1:04:57] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[1:04:58] SPEAKER_00: It was pretty crazy though.
[1:04:59] SPEAKER_00: It was crazy how fast you caught Lucy.
[1:05:01] SPEAKER_00: It was kind of like, what's Taylor been doing all day?
[1:05:04] SPEAKER_00: But hearing it now, it makes a lot of sense as to what like you were trying to get your core temperature under under control, you were holding yourself back, and then you finally started to push and you you got to the front.
[1:05:13] SPEAKER_00: And then obviously you and Lucy, you you get into T2, and and like I said, um Lucy.
[1:05:19] SPEAKER_01: Right, the fastest T2.
[1:05:20] SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
[1:05:21] SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I didn't do that.
[1:05:24] SPEAKER_00: Very proud of you.
[1:05:25] SPEAKER_00: Um and then And what did you think when Lucy gave you the tap at uh roughly 10 miles into the run and she gives you the tap of death, uh makes the pass on you?
[1:05:35] SPEAKER_00: What was going through your mind?
[1:05:37] SPEAKER_01: She tapped me.
[1:05:38] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she tapped you.
[1:05:40] SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, I was unaware of that.
[1:05:42] SPEAKER_01: Um I just knew that she passed me, and I was like, well, okay, so there were two things that went through my head.
[1:05:48] SPEAKER_01: So number one was um I had gotten an email from Dave Scott the day before.
[1:05:55] SPEAKER_01: And he said um a lot of people leave their race on uh the first.
[1:06:00] SPEAKER_01: Like 10k because like and there are a number of reasons for that, but he's like, it's deceptively hot, it's deceptively hilly, but also you're still early into the marathon.
[1:06:10] SPEAKER_01: Um, so I was like, okay, there are two things at play here.
[1:06:13] SPEAKER_01: Either Lucy's having a day, which she's an incredible athlete, and so that's very much the case.
[1:06:18] SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, like congrats, like win number two, like, like, really exciting to see.
[1:06:23] SPEAKER_01: She was having a fantastic season.
[1:06:25] SPEAKER_01: Or she overran it trying to catch me.
[1:06:29] SPEAKER_01: And so, like, but you don't know.
[1:06:31] SPEAKER_01: And it was when, so like, but I didn't want to like overcook the hill, because again, I'm like dealing with my core temperature the whole day, and that's when you're gonna spike it the most.
[1:06:39] SPEAKER_01: Like, you could lose the amount of time you're gonna lose on that section versus what you could destroy yourself for like later on in the race.
[1:06:46] SPEAKER_01: Um, it's just not worth it.
[1:06:48] SPEAKER_01: So I was like, just focus on your race, focus on your pace, focus on your plan, stick to your plan.
[1:06:53] SPEAKER_01: Because at the end of the day, if I'm sticking to my plan, it's gonna get me to the finish line fastest, which is gonna have the best result.
[1:06:59] SPEAKER_01: So that's what I had to do.
[1:07:01] SPEAKER_01: And it was when we like we got onto the Queen K, we ran down the hill, and then she wasn't putting any time into me.
[1:07:07] SPEAKER_01: And we were like kind of like just staying, and I'm like just running my race, and she's like really not gapping me.
[1:07:13] SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, huh.
[1:07:15] SPEAKER_01: Like, I think she overran it a little bit.
[1:07:18] SPEAKER_01: Um, but like you don't you don't know in the moment when they pass you what it was, but I was like, I was aware of two distinct possibilities, and maybe there's even a third that I didn't think of.
[1:07:28] SPEAKER_00: And what's that?
[1:07:29] SPEAKER_00: Oh, I don't know, just potentially some random thought, third one.
[1:07:32] SPEAKER_01: Okay, or maybe she wanted to like catch me and run with me, and then she would back her last like 3k or 6k.
[1:07:40] SPEAKER_01: Like because some people just want to be like in it, and then like they just trust their last part, like she just like make a move, like and sit with me and then kick kind of thing.
[1:07:48] SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
[1:07:51] SPEAKER_00: I've been wanting to tell some stories about lever movement for about the last six months that I'm not allowed to.
[1:07:56] SPEAKER_00: I I've asked like persistently uh about different stories, and every week it comes back with a nope, can't tell that.
[1:08:02] SPEAKER_00: And it's always the same story.
[1:08:04] SPEAKER_00: Like it's like I talk to a different athlete or like a approach athlete or a runner or a really good age group, or I go to their house and we talk about lever, or I see a lever movement system at their house, and they've bought one.
[1:08:15] SPEAKER_00: And I want to be like, okay, athlete X, you know, they've bought this and they've used it in this way and for this long, and it helped them get back to running from this injury.
[1:08:24] SPEAKER_00: And I'm not allowed to because I can only talk about athlete lever a partner with.
[1:08:28] SPEAKER_00: But the problem is that's only like a handful of athletes, and I don't know most of them.
[1:08:32] SPEAKER_00: But all the ones I've talked to have purchased their own lever to use, not because of a sponsorship where they pretend to use something and post on Instagram and try and you know just to get the paycheck, but to genuinely help them get back to rate and their best or like help prevent running related injuries that they've been dealing with.
[1:08:49] SPEAKER_00: But yeah, trust me, it's so many more high-level pros that are using lever movement systems in their run training than you probably realize, or that I definitely realize.
[1:08:58] SPEAKER_00: And it makes sense because lever are just awesome.
[1:09:00] SPEAKER_00: You connect it to your treadmill, it takes like a couple of minutes tops to set up.
[1:09:04] SPEAKER_00: You use it to take body weight off while you run, and it means you can run more, run faster, and have less injury risk.
[1:09:10] SPEAKER_00: Or if you're coming back from an injury, you can use it to accelerate your return to run, or even help you run through a mild niggle that isn't enough to fully stop you, but you know, um you can't quite run like normal, and it doesn't get better if you do try and run like normal.
[1:09:23] SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I just think everyone who runs can benefit from having a lever, and you should be using one one like most weeks to stay consistent and injury-free.
[1:09:31] SPEAKER_00: Um and if you want to try one, um, then we have an insane discount code which just takes 20 for 20% off your lever system.
[1:09:37] SPEAKER_00: It's basically such a huge discount code that there's no real reason to not go and buy one and get fitter and faster in your running by being way more consistent.
[1:09:45] SPEAKER_00: Uh, and all details are, of course, in today's show notes.
[1:09:49] SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna uh talk to Lucy and see if I can chat to her as well because I want to get her perspective on this marathon because I I think there is lots of perspectives that are very interesting.
[1:09:58] SPEAKER_00: And that moment, and then it only took you 5k to make the pass back on Lucy after she'd made it on you, and then you were by yourself for about well, roughly 17, 18k out on the marathon in the lead at the Iron Man World Championships, and you get 30.
[1:10:14] SPEAKER_01: Because I think I thought it was like I don't know what part Polani's on, but I feel like I caught well, so here's the thing.
[1:10:19] SPEAKER_01: So I'm like running backer and I'm holding I'm holding ground, and like we're going through age stations, and one thing is like when you watch like other racers, it's like okay, so can I tell a story from 2017?
[1:10:30] SPEAKER_00: Yep, that's a long way back, but let's go.
[1:10:32] SPEAKER_01: Long way back.
[1:10:32] SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this is my second or third WTCS ever, and I was in a breakaway with Flora, Duffy, and we had been rolling turns, and it was like she'd take certain parts and I'd take other parts, and then one part where every single lap, the five laps before, she had taken the lead, she suddenly like doesn't take the lead in that point.
[1:10:51] SPEAKER_01: And I was too like young and naive to think about it anyway, and then she attacked me and she broke away and she got me.
[1:10:59] SPEAKER_01: So from that moment on, it's also like okay, what also is your opponent deviating from what they've done?
[1:11:06] SPEAKER_01: And suddenly Lucy, who'd been like running along, is walking an aid station, and I was like, ooh, something's off, something's different.
[1:11:14] SPEAKER_01: Like that's a change because it'd been one thing if she walked it, if she'd been walking every single aid station and she's walking that aid station, that's one thing.
[1:11:21] SPEAKER_01: If she's like not and then she does, that's another.
[1:11:24] SPEAKER_01: And so I caught her, and then we ran together a little while.
[1:11:27] SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so that was it was just strange, but you probably caught her, it would have been about somewhere around 20k in, right?
[1:11:37] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then you you ran together for about a K.
[1:11:40] SPEAKER_00: It really, I don't think it was much more than that, because I reckon by just after the half marathon point, like right around the half marathon point, was where Reese pulled Lucy off the course.
[1:11:50] SPEAKER_01: Oh no, she went into the energy lab.
[1:11:51] SPEAKER_01: And I think the halfway point is you hit, I think I want to I want to say you enter the energy lab around 22k, like that turn at that gas station.
[1:12:00] SPEAKER_01: Because that's where because she was in the energy lab.
[1:12:02] SPEAKER_00: You're right, you're right.
[1:12:03] SPEAKER_00: It would have been just over 22k, wouldn't it?
[1:12:06] SPEAKER_01: No, that's but that's when she entered, and she ran all the way down into it.
[1:12:10] SPEAKER_01: I think she made it around the U-turn.
[1:12:12] SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, I don't know how far she made it, but you can get that distance wrong too.
[1:12:18] SPEAKER_01: And then we'll see if she corrects you.
[1:12:21] SPEAKER_01: Or you'll be like, yeah, Lucy, you made it 10k on the run, and see if she corrects you.
[1:12:28] SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I mean You actually are 100% right.
[1:12:31] SPEAKER_00: I have completely misremembered this like part of the race, but she did actually get further than I thought, and then you guys ran together for what would it have been 3k or something all up?
[1:12:39] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I thought it was so cool.
[1:12:41] SPEAKER_01: I was like, Wow, this is kind of funny.
[1:12:43] SPEAKER_01: Like, I think sometimes women's like people comment that women's racing isn't that interesting.
[1:12:49] SPEAKER_01: I'm like, kind of cool.
[1:12:52] SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
[1:12:53] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:12:54] SPEAKER_00: Wow.
[1:12:54] SPEAKER_00: I mean, it would have been good if it lasted for a bit longer, but it was it was good while it lasted.
[1:12:58] SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I guess it was the right two people as well, because uh like, yeah, sure, like Kat was uh was um huge, uh had a huge year, and Laura Phillip was, I can't guess the defending champion in a way.
[1:13:11] SPEAKER_00: I do think it was like you and Lucy being the two people having the battle out there in the energy lab and on the Queen K.
[1:13:17] SPEAKER_00: That is probably you know, that's probably the showdown most people would would would have been waiting for.
[1:13:21] SPEAKER_00: So to see it happen was was great, especially considering uh that Lucy came around, tapped you on the back about 16k into the run, and usually from there there's no battle.
[1:13:31] SPEAKER_00: Like that's usually where it's done, and then the athlete who taps the person on the back runs away with it and and they don't come back um from there.
[1:13:38] SPEAKER_00: But but for you to kind of come back to Lucy and it's like, oh, we've actually got a battle on our hands, that was what made it really interesting.
[1:13:44] SPEAKER_00: And I guess above all that, the interesting thing is that neither of you go on to win, you both go on to DNF.
[1:13:51] SPEAKER_00: So Lucy's on the side of the road, Reese pulls her off.
[1:13:53] SPEAKER_00: Now it's time to talk about what happened.
[1:13:55] SPEAKER_00: So tell me, tell me uh from your perspective, like A, do you remember it all?
[1:14:00] SPEAKER_00: When did it start really falling apart?
[1:14:03] SPEAKER_00: Like what what happened?
[1:14:04] SPEAKER_00: Just like tell me the story, like yeah, like because I should I don't think you've ever really told it in detail.
[1:14:10] SPEAKER_00: So for the first time ever, really tell the story in detail.
[1:14:14] SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe the tap only works when the other person knows that they've been tapped.
[1:14:19] SPEAKER_01: Maybe that was the curse that I'm like so unaware of.
[1:14:25] SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm like, oh, this is news to me.
[1:14:28] SPEAKER_01: Thanks for letting me know this happened.
[1:14:30] SPEAKER_01: And you're like, this is an old moment of the race.
[1:14:33] SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh wow, great.
[1:14:36] SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that.
[1:14:39] SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, so anyway, long the short.
[1:14:42] SPEAKER_01: Uh but in the so in the energy lab, when I came around the U-turn, I saw that I'd gapped Lucy by a lot, and she did not look good.
[1:14:50] SPEAKER_01: And it was also the duration amount that I had gapped her in that short of time.
[1:14:54] SPEAKER_01: And then I I don't know how much time I had to solve eggs.
[1:14:56] SPEAKER_01: I think it was like four to six minutes.
[1:14:59] SPEAKER_01: Um and then like I felt great coming out of the energy lab around that hill.
[1:15:04] SPEAKER_01: And then I think it was once I hit the Queen K.
[1:15:06] SPEAKER_01: And uh one of my sponsors is out there, and he's like, it's just a 10K training run home.
[1:15:12] SPEAKER_01: And I was at left, I had 11.5k left, which I informed him after, because also I'm like, there's 11.5k to go, it's not a 10k run back, but anyway, the most Taylor nib thing ever.
[1:15:31] SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, it makes a difference.
[1:15:33] SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you want to make the finish line one and a half K longer, that's a big difference.
[1:15:38] SPEAKER_00: And funnily enough, it did end up being a big difference, even though most people would be like, Yeah, yeah, close enough.
[1:15:42] SPEAKER_00: I know, I know, I know what they mean.
[1:15:44] SPEAKER_00: But for you, it actually ended up being the the difference.
[1:15:47] SPEAKER_01: Well, so so I don't remember everything.
[1:15:50] SPEAKER_01: Um, but like I feel like it got very hard.
[1:15:55] SPEAKER_01: It got very hard.
[1:15:56] SPEAKER_01: And like the the parts that were supposed to be downhill weren't really downhill anymore, um, like feeling that way.
[1:16:03] SPEAKER_01: I I remember stopping or like I think I walked an aid station and then I realized how much time I had lost in that, and I was like, no, you can't do that anymore because you're gonna lose too much time in terms of how I had to buffer.
[1:16:17] SPEAKER_01: I think I figured like based on how much time I had, I had to run about like 420 to 430.
[1:16:22] SPEAKER_01: I think I was like, if you just keep it under 430s, you'll be fine based on what Solveg had been running consistently throughout.
[1:16:29] SPEAKER_01: And like, and I was like, and here, like and I made a decision, I was like, because it was in that pivotal point when I walked.
[1:16:36] SPEAKER_01: It was like you can make that decision of okay, are you gonna survive or are you gonna race for the win?
[1:16:42] SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I do not want to get second place, and I did not get second place.
[1:16:48] SPEAKER_01: No, so um, but like that was like very much a decision point, and then like it was very like I work in seconds, and so I was like counting down seconds, and I was making a lot of progress, like with like third, like like guessing my time of like four and a half minutes per K.
[1:17:04] SPEAKER_01: Like I get excited when there are it's 33 minutes and 20 seconds left because that's 2,000 seconds are left, and then like I count a lot, and I'm just like like it's very much like but this is the thing, like this, these are the moments like I think like you train for and you work for to do that.
[1:17:22] SPEAKER_01: And I also felt like I almost this is gonna sound like awful, but like I allowed myself to pour myself into a race and give myself to a race in a way that I hadn't since probably Dubai the previous year.
[1:17:33] SPEAKER_01: Um, I just had guards up, and so it was like it was so like blissful and wonderful on so many levels.
[1:17:40] SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, I was very hard and it was getting quite hard, but I was so focused on what I wanted to do and what I needed to do.
[1:17:49] SPEAKER_01: And but I think one critical error, and I'm not saying that this would have changed anything based on my heat stroke, but that whole stretch back, that whole like way back, like from when I made that decision, I was so focused on getting to the light where I collapsed.
[1:18:05] SPEAKER_01: Because at the light, I was like, okay, get to the light.
[1:18:08] SPEAKER_01: And then once you get to the light, you'll have about five minutes up that hill.
[1:18:11] SPEAKER_01: And then once you get up that hill, then you go down the hill, and I had the chunking but that.
[1:18:14] SPEAKER_01: But for that whole section, I was so focused on getting to that point, and I got to that point, and I don't know mentally if I could have like how I could have chunked it differently and if that has any correlation, but literally the part that I the place that I was focused on getting is where I fell apart.
[1:18:31] SPEAKER_01: And so I don't remember a lot until I went through the aid station where I walked, and I remember taking a step to my right, and I just like I was like, oh fuck, something's not right.
[1:18:44] SPEAKER_01: And then I really do not remember anything after that.
[1:18:50] SPEAKER_01: Um, like I like I I I think it's like there are like memories not a videotape, and so I remember like chunks of it, and uh Dan was there and Patrick was there, and Patrick told me that apparently they said like I need to get an ambulance, and apparently my response to that was like, oh no ambulance, that's way too expensive.
[1:19:08] SPEAKER_01: Um this is the American in the United States saying that, which might be like a messed up thing, but um yeah, it just drilled into me in society.
[1:19:20] SPEAKER_01: Ambulances are really expensive in the United States, so if you don't have to take one, do not take one.
[1:19:25] SPEAKER_01: Even if you have heat stroke on the side of the road.
[1:19:27] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[1:19:28] SPEAKER_01: So uh they yes.
[1:19:31] SPEAKER_01: What else would you like to know?
[1:19:32] SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
[1:19:33] SPEAKER_00: I'm just trying to think.
[1:19:34] SPEAKER_00: I because I like there's a few stories that I know you've told me.
[1:19:36] SPEAKER_00: Like obviously, um maybe maybe the first one.
[1:19:40] SPEAKER_00: What's what's your first memory?
[1:19:41] SPEAKER_00: Like when does when does things start coming back and how were you feeling?
[1:19:44] SPEAKER_01: Well, okay, so so there are like splotches of the medical, like there are splotches the whole thing that I remember because I didn't lose consciousness, which I think is valuable.
[1:19:52] SPEAKER_01: Um, I might not remember it, but I don't think I ever blacked out.
[1:19:55] SPEAKER_01: I got into the medical car, I vomited on Dan.
[1:20:01] SPEAKER_01: Like, poor guy.
[1:20:03] SPEAKER_01: Um, I insisted that I walk.
[1:20:06] SPEAKER_01: I was not gonna take a wheelchair.
[1:20:08] SPEAKER_01: Uh I got the probe up my butt, 104.9 degrees, and that was a decent amount of time after the episode.
[1:20:16] SPEAKER_01: Like I had to have cooled off a little bit.
[1:20:20] SPEAKER_01: Um going into the ice tub was very painful.
[1:20:27] SPEAKER_01: I think because I was sun.
[1:20:28] SPEAKER_01: So they like they stick the temperature probe up your butt, and then they stick you into the ice tub, but they have to do that because they want to see how much you go down.
[1:20:36] SPEAKER_01: And then um at that point, then they like after they took me out of the ice bath, finally, they walk me to a lounge chair, and I remember I was like asking for like someone to be with me.
[1:20:47] SPEAKER_01: Like, can I please have someone with me?
[1:20:49] SPEAKER_01: And um, they're like, No, you can't, no, you can't, like all this.
[1:20:53] SPEAKER_01: And I walk by this woman and she has like a guy there, and I'm like, she has someone.
[1:21:00] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was told that story.
[1:21:02] SPEAKER_01: Um, anyway, yeah, then yeah, I was just very out of it.
[1:21:06] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so like you know, most humans, their body temperature is around 37 degrees Celsius.
[1:21:12] SPEAKER_00: Yours was over 40 degrees Celsius when it got when it got tested.
[1:21:16] SPEAKER_00: So, you know, a long way over where it where it should be at homeostasis.
[1:21:21] SPEAKER_00: And you've done testing and you know that mid-38s, yeah, that's a problem for you.
[1:21:25] SPEAKER_00: Once it gets there, it starts uh increasing exponentially and you can't really get it back under control, and it's it's at least 1.5 degrees Celsius higher than that, and it was quite a long time after you had collapsed.
[1:21:37] SPEAKER_00: So I think we can assume it was at least probably 41 when you collapsed, which is four degrees past where it should be, which is a long way.
[1:21:45] SPEAKER_00: Like that is you if people don't realize how much that is because it doesn't sound that much, that is like that's like you know, you're in you're in death territory.
[1:21:54] SPEAKER_00: You really are.
[1:21:54] SPEAKER_00: Like that's not a that's not an over-exaggeration.
[1:21:56] SPEAKER_01: Well, well, and that's what some people say, I think, but on the other hand, I think other people are like, well, those are for like unhealthy people.
[1:22:05] SPEAKER_01: I would say that I'm really fortunate though, because of anyone in the race, when you're leading the race, you have a lot of eyes on you.
[1:22:14] SPEAKER_01: And so, like, I can't imagine being in a different position in that happening.
[1:22:20] SPEAKER_01: Like, that's just kind of scary.
[1:22:22] SPEAKER_01: Um also am I allowed to say something that might be a little controversial?
[1:22:28] SPEAKER_00: Always.
[1:22:28] SPEAKER_01: Like, I I do have some questions for Iron Man because Dan and Patrick have told me that they were really scared to give me assistance because there was a referee standing right near me ready to DQ me.
[1:22:41] SPEAKER_01: And Scott DeRue has told me that Iron Man's like whole focus is athlete health and safety first and foremost.
[1:22:48] SPEAKER_01: So if there was a if there was a referee who is a member of the race who is more concerned with DQing an athlete suffering from heat stroke than helping that said athlete, I would like to know I just have some questions in terms of priorities because that person could have helped me and they were more concerned with DQing me.
[1:23:10] SPEAKER_01: Um because it's one thing for my team to help me, and also we've had conversations of that in terms of like on my team, like in hopefully it doesn't happen again, but like like they have my permission, I would never be mad at them in that kind of scenario.
[1:23:26] SPEAKER_01: But if you have someone in the race who's allowed to help an athlete and they're not helping the athlete and they're getting film or they're trying to DQ you, that's just like I hope that doesn't happen to another athlete.
[1:23:40] SPEAKER_00: And so walking away from the Iron Man World Championships, we know that Solvig goes on to win it, Kat comes second, Laura comes third.
[1:23:48] SPEAKER_00: How do you how do you think about it?
[1:23:50] SPEAKER_00: Where where is your head out now about that race, maybe on reflection of the performance, but also going forward into 2026?
[1:23:58] SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, I'm thrilled for Solvik.
[1:24:00] SPEAKER_01: Phenomenal race, a phenomenal season, and I really respected how she raced because she broke away from her pack.
[1:24:06] SPEAKER_01: She wasn't just like sitting in.
[1:24:07] SPEAKER_01: I mean, the amount of time we got on the main group, like geez.
[1:24:13] SPEAKER_01: Like, sorry.
[1:24:15] SPEAKER_01: Um well, which I'm excited for the 20-meter rule now.
[1:24:18] SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think if anything, like I'm like more excited than ever, and it's just like like I think sometimes you can just like maybe it's not a great relationship, but like I could say I fell further in love with the sport and the race and the event, um, and do have a greater appreciation and respect for it.
[1:24:37] SPEAKER_01: So, yes.
[1:24:38] SPEAKER_00: And so is 2026 all eyes on Kona?
[1:24:41] SPEAKER_01: No.
[1:24:42] SPEAKER_00: Tell me about it.
[1:24:42] SPEAKER_00: What's the plans?
[1:24:44] SPEAKER_01: Oh, um, I think when people learn what I am hoping to do this year, I will get a lot of criticism.
[1:24:50] SPEAKER_01: Um, you included, some people on my team included.
[1:24:54] SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, but I think like it's learning what works best for you and focusing the year on Kona didn't get the best out of me.
[1:25:05] SPEAKER_01: And so I'm gonna try something new and different.
[1:25:07] SPEAKER_01: And yes, I hope to be in Kona again, but like, do I have all the answers?
[1:25:12] SPEAKER_01: No, but I'm gonna try something different.
[1:25:15] SPEAKER_00: And you're not you're not ready to share it just yet, or or you are ready to drip feed a little bit?
[1:25:20] SPEAKER_01: Well, so I need to qualify for 70.3 worlds because I didn't validate last year, I not only lost my five-year exemption from 2024, but I lost it from all of my years.
[1:25:33] SPEAKER_01: So um, which which I was willing to do based on the season I had.
[1:25:37] SPEAKER_01: I didn't have time to validate, so I need to qualify for 70.3 worlds.
[1:25:41] SPEAKER_01: Um, I want to qualify for Kona, and then I would like to start racing some short course races again to give myself the potential to race in LA, but we'll see.
[1:25:53] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so an ideal world for you in 2026 is win an early season 70.3, win an early season Iron Man, qualify for world champs, um, and then maybe go and have some good short course racing, two, maybe one or two races.
[1:26:08] SPEAKER_01: One or two, maybe like four to six.
[1:26:11] unknown: Okay.
[1:26:12] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was thinking, you know, yeah, fair enough.
[1:26:14] SPEAKER_00: Four to six, okay, Jesus.
[1:26:15] SPEAKER_00: And then um cycling.
[1:26:18] SPEAKER_00: What about cycling?
[1:26:19] SPEAKER_01: Yes, I want to start time traveling again at the very minimum.
[1:26:23] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so nationals, is that what you're thinking?
[1:26:25] SPEAKER_01: Um, ideal well, so yeah, I'm probably gonna have to go to nationals.
[1:26:30] SPEAKER_01: Um, the ideal world would be I'd go to the Pan American Championships on March 17th in Colombia because the winner of that race automatically qualifies for worlds and increases the United States quota from two to three athletes.
[1:26:44] SPEAKER_01: Um, but they only take two athletes, and the their two athletes who raced a lot last year who are very good athletes who will probably get selected.
[1:26:54] SPEAKER_01: So in an ideal world, I'd race, I'd open up my season with that.
[1:26:57] SPEAKER_01: But if not, I'll be hopefully at time trial nationals in West Virginia.
[1:27:02] SPEAKER_01: So, yes.
[1:27:03] SPEAKER_00: What about world champs?
[1:27:04] SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, that would be the goal to qualify.
[1:27:06] SPEAKER_01: Um, because historically, USA Cycling has had an automatic their their nationals thing where I qualified in 2024.
[1:27:14] SPEAKER_01: It's probably not gonna happen again.
[1:27:15] SPEAKER_01: But historically, they've had if you podium at Time Trial Worlds the year before the Olympics, so 2027, you automatically qualify for the Olympics the next year, and that would probably be my only shot to qualify for LA in 2028.
[1:27:27] SPEAKER_01: So trying to go in 2026 to kind of see how I stack up, because I don't get to race these women a lot, um, just based on what I choose to do, and so then to hopefully race in 2027.
[1:27:38] SPEAKER_01: But that's revealing a lot of cards, and so who knows?
[1:27:41] SPEAKER_01: Maybe next year I'll be like, you know what?
[1:27:43] SPEAKER_01: I think I'm done with traffic cycling.
[1:27:45] SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna, I don't know, knit.
[1:27:48] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I believe that.
[1:27:49] SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, so we've already got at minimum here, we've got like eight races, but probably more like 10 to 12, and no T100.
[1:28:01] SPEAKER_01: So honestly, I because like with the Columbia race up in the air, I've signed up for both Dallas and Oceanside 70.3.
[1:28:10] SPEAKER_01: Um I need to make the decision, but we'll see how that goes with the and so I was looking and I was like, I was looking at flights to Gold Coast because I was like getting excited about the prospect.
[1:28:22] SPEAKER_01: Which, okay, so so just like clarifying, like when I get excited about a race, that's great, but I also get excited about a lot of races.
[1:28:28] SPEAKER_01: Um, yes, I don't know.
[1:28:30] SPEAKER_01: Uh the the Gold Coast race, the Spain race, and the Vancouver race intrigue me.
[1:28:36] SPEAKER_01: Dubai less so, um, and Qatar less so, but who knows?
[1:28:39] SPEAKER_01: I mean, I could just like go back and be like, T100's my jam.
[1:28:45] SPEAKER_00: I'm such a massive fan of Nord VPN.
[1:28:48] SPEAKER_00: I use Nord VPN literally at least every second or third day, if not every day to be honest.
[1:28:53] SPEAKER_00: I use it to watch live sport like Iron Man or T100 Racing on YouTube.
[1:28:56] SPEAKER_00: I use it so that I can have Netflix and not be limited to watching only what is in the country that I'm in at the time, but in like five seconds I can change it and be in whatever country I want to watch whatever TV show or movie I want to watch based on where it is on Netflix.
[1:29:10] SPEAKER_00: It's allowed me to cut pretty much every other ster streaming service.
[1:29:13] SPEAKER_00: There was a point where I had like, I reckon I had like six streaming services.
[1:29:16] SPEAKER_00: Now I'm down to two, all because of NordVPN.
[1:29:18] SPEAKER_00: Um and with Triton season like approaching super quickly, if you're sick of paying for subscriptions or having to endure way too many ads to watch long course trython racing where you are, get NordVPN and those problems are just a thing of the past.
[1:29:32] SPEAKER_00: It's so cheap, you can get a two-year subscription for cheaper than any other 12-month subscription to any streaming service that I know by so far.
[1:29:40] SPEAKER_00: And you can make it even cheaper by using the discount code TrithlonHour, all one word, or going to NordVPN.com forward slash trythlon hour, which gets you a huge discount on the two-year NordVPN subscription.
[1:29:51] SPEAKER_00: And it's risk-free because there's a 30-day money-back guarantee if you don't love it.
[1:29:56] SPEAKER_00: Um, all details for that are in today's show notes.
[1:29:59] SPEAKER_00: When was the last time you were in Australia to race?
[1:30:02] SPEAKER_00: Was it under 23 world champs?
[1:30:04] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the only time I've been to Australia.
[1:30:06] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so 2018.
[1:30:07] SPEAKER_00: Long time, eight years ago.
[1:30:10] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:30:11] SPEAKER_00: We'd love to have you back.
[1:30:12] SPEAKER_01: You as a country, the ambassador for the whole country of Australia.
[1:30:17] SPEAKER_00: I speak on behalf of the country.
[1:30:18] SPEAKER_00: We'd love to have you back.
[1:30:19] SPEAKER_00: We'll happily kick Yala out of the Gold Coast to have you come, I reckon.
[1:30:23] SPEAKER_00: No problems.
[1:30:24] SPEAKER_01: It's funny, the one thing I remember from being in the Gold Coast was that my mom could not figure out the time zone.
[1:30:30] SPEAKER_01: Like that was like the most difficult time zone change for her.
[1:30:33] SPEAKER_01: She just couldn't fathom it.
[1:30:35] SPEAKER_01: Like it was just like every time we talked, it was just like explaining that it was the next day.
[1:30:40] SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so it was like a week of that.
[1:30:43] SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
[1:30:44] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so now that I'm back in Australia, Taylor, I um we do the weekly podcast with Vicky, Greg, Appo, and me.
[1:30:51] SPEAKER_00: And to make it work, the only way it can work, because we've got European, American, and now Australian time zones, is that I have to get up at 3 a.m.
[1:30:58] SPEAKER_00: to record it at 4 a.m.
[1:31:00] SPEAKER_00: So it's uh it's brutal.
[1:31:02] SPEAKER_01: Wait, I have a question.
[1:31:02] SPEAKER_01: Why are you getting up at 3 a.m.
[1:31:03] SPEAKER_01: to record a 4 a.m.
[1:31:04] SPEAKER_01: podcast?
[1:31:05] SPEAKER_01: What do you do in that hour?
[1:31:06] SPEAKER_00: Have a coffee, um, get myself a little bit awake, go to go to the running sheet because the guys like so there, so while I'm sleeping, they put everything onto the running sheet that like so I like do a running sheet of like, hey, this is what I think we should talk about this week, and then they'll always fill it out the day before.
[1:31:22] SPEAKER_00: So I won't see it before I go to bed.
[1:31:24] SPEAKER_00: So then I'll go see it, maybe change things a little bit.
[1:31:27] SPEAKER_00: So probably do like 20 minutes of prep, have a coffee, wake up, um, set up my recording equipment, chat to the guys for 10 minutes and then go.
[1:31:35] SPEAKER_00: So because there's it there's nothing worse than like it's kind of like a race start, you know, like you're not showing up to start a race three minutes before the race, are you?
[1:31:43] SPEAKER_00: Like you're you're getting there two hours before or 90 minutes before.
[1:31:46] SPEAKER_00: It's kind of the same, just way easier.
[1:31:48] SPEAKER_01: Well, can I tell you something that stressed me out about the time trial?
[1:31:51] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:31:51] SPEAKER_01: Dan said, like, you're not so like you have a call time of like when you start, and he's like, from like you are allowed no more than 10 minutes in between the second you finish your warm-up and the second the race starts.
[1:32:08] SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh my god, I like have to get into my TT kit, I have to put on like well anyway, like I put on my shoe covers beforehand, like there's a production, put the radio on, put the helmet on, go to the bathroom, etc.
[1:32:20] SPEAKER_01: And so for nationals, I was like in a rush because like the three-minute thing made me think of that.
[1:32:26] SPEAKER_01: And there was an official there who was like, there were two bathrooms, and I was like, is there any way I could please go ahead of you?
[1:32:31] SPEAKER_01: I'm about to start.
[1:32:32] SPEAKER_01: And he's like, no.
[1:32:38] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[1:32:38] SPEAKER_01: So anyway, the I'm thinking about like the rush starts.
[1:32:41] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you don't want them, but nothing worse.
[1:32:47] SPEAKER_00: You know what's crazy is that uh we before we got on on air and we were chatting, you kind of described 2025 as a failure.
[1:32:55] SPEAKER_00: And it's it it is really interesting because to most people it's a great year.
[1:33:01] SPEAKER_00: You know, you came second at Texas, second at San Francisco T100, you won Vancouver, you came third at London, which was the worst performance that I can remember you having in a long time in in middle distance triathlon, and it was still a third place behind Kate Waff and Lucy Charles Barclay, Lucy finishing first, obviously.
[1:33:17] SPEAKER_00: You had the DNF at Kona, but you were leading the race at 39-ish uh kilometres into it, so two kilometres away from being an Iron Man world champion, and then you you go to Marbella and finish second at the 70.3 worlds behind Lucy Charles Barclay.
[1:33:30] SPEAKER_00: Great year, you know, finish the year ranked fourth in the world on the on the T100 rankings, but a failure in your eyes.
[1:33:37] SPEAKER_00: So what do you what do you rate the the year?
[1:33:39] SPEAKER_00: Like give me a you know a grading.
[1:33:41] SPEAKER_00: I know you were very good at school, so where do you have it on the the A plus to F scale?
[1:33:45] SPEAKER_00: And what do you need to do in 2026 to turn it around?
[1:33:50] SPEAKER_01: Well, I think you can look at it from like two different ways.
[1:33:53] SPEAKER_01: So, like, okay, if you take the year by itself, like 2025, January 1st to December 31st, close it out.
[1:34:02] SPEAKER_01: Um, I think that's a very different grading than I also had goals of like allowing my body to recover a little bit from the Olympic cycles that I'd gone through because we didn't really get a down year after Tokyo and then right went straight into Paris.
[1:34:17] SPEAKER_01: And so, like giving myself some space, seeing if I wanted to celebrate short short course, like I did a lot of things that weren't necessarily active, it was more like decision making.
[1:34:28] SPEAKER_01: Um, and also I think kind of finishing the year the way I did, not with like hunger is the wrong term, but just like extremely excited and motivated.
[1:34:39] SPEAKER_01: Like that's almost more valuable to end the year than the way I ended it in 2024.
[1:34:45] SPEAKER_01: So, like, I don't know, and and we'll see how it plays out this year because I could say like the way I ended 2024 did not help me in 2025, and it was like not a great year in any way, shape, or form.
[1:34:56] SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's like nothing really stands on its own, but maybe a 77%.
[1:35:02] SPEAKER_01: We'll give myself a C plus.
[1:35:04] SPEAKER_00: A 77%.
[1:35:06] SPEAKER_00: I'm surprised there's no decimal.
[1:35:07] SPEAKER_01: Oh well, it's like the bottom of the C plus, because you know, like C's get degrees.
[1:35:12] SPEAKER_01: So it was still passing.
[1:35:14] SPEAKER_01: I mean, it wasn't like I wasn't.
[1:35:16] SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing, like my intent was there.
[1:35:19] SPEAKER_01: Like I wasn't like giving up, even though sometimes I wanted to, but the effect, like wasn't always fantastic, but like how can I learn from that?
[1:35:28] SPEAKER_01: How can I and I think it was really important because a lot of people have criticized me over the course of my career that, like, if you focused, then you would be so much better.
[1:35:40] SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, okay, willing to try that.
[1:35:44] SPEAKER_01: You know what?
[1:35:45] SPEAKER_01: If I focus, I lose my mind and I don't perform well.
[1:35:50] SPEAKER_01: So great, appreciate your opinion.
[1:35:54] SPEAKER_01: That might work for some people, but not for others.
[1:35:56] SPEAKER_01: Like, and that's not me right now at this period of time in my life.
[1:36:00] SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to race a lot of different distances, I want to do a lot of different things, and I also like sometimes I feel like I should be doing more with my life.
[1:36:08] SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, like you gotta just accept who you are.
[1:36:14] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 77%.
[1:36:15] SPEAKER_00: I like it.
[1:36:16] SPEAKER_00: Uh, very specific, and uh not surprising to me at all that you give it 77%, but like I I I don't know.
[1:36:23] SPEAKER_00: I just think I feel like it's a better year than that, but I know that the standard you set for yourself.
[1:36:27] SPEAKER_00: So I'm not gonna argue with you on it.
[1:36:29] SPEAKER_00: Um either way, I still think it was a great year, Taylor.
[1:36:32] SPEAKER_00: So last question from me.
[1:36:33] SPEAKER_00: We'll finish the podcast up here.
[1:36:35] SPEAKER_00: Um give me your highlight.
[1:36:36] SPEAKER_00: What was your maybe what was your professional highlight for the year?
[1:36:39] SPEAKER_00: And what was your personal highlight for the year?
[1:36:44] SPEAKER_01: Are you serious?
[1:36:49] SPEAKER_01: How about we just go for a professional highlight of the year?
[1:36:52] SPEAKER_00: Okay, no personal one.
[1:36:54] SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
[1:36:55] SPEAKER_01: I'm private.
[1:36:56] SPEAKER_00: Uh oh now, you know now that just means people want to know more.
[1:37:00] SPEAKER_01: Like great.
[1:37:02] SPEAKER_01: Um I have one who don't want to tell tell it.
[1:37:06] SPEAKER_01: Uh professional highlight, I would say sounds awful, but I think Kona.
[1:37:11] SPEAKER_00: Not surprised.
[1:37:12] SPEAKER_00: No, I I honestly expected you to say that.
[1:37:15] SPEAKER_00: I really did expect you to say Kona, or something to do with Kona.
[1:37:18] SPEAKER_00: Because like it was so close and and knowing you, like you'll take a lot from that.
[1:37:23] SPEAKER_00: And you're kind of you're kind of a psycho, so it does make sense to me.
[1:37:26] SPEAKER_00: I'm not surprised at all.
[1:37:28] SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, because I I wouldn't say that, like, like my first thought was like, okay, maybe Vancouver because that like I actually won that race, but I wouldn't say that.
[1:37:35] SPEAKER_01: Um and I think that like Kona has to be that because of the way I went about it.
[1:37:41] SPEAKER_01: And it was like the way I led into it, also turning it around from not like from what the year it was and the lack of momentum I had to turn that around to get myself into that place like three days out was like shocking.
[1:37:57] SPEAKER_01: Um but then also race day, I think like it's never gonna be perfect, but it's like it was pretty bad.
[1:38:04] SPEAKER_00: So and uh not gonna give us the personal highlight.
[1:38:16] SPEAKER_00: Just dead silence.
[1:38:18] SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
[1:38:19] SPEAKER_00: Taylor Nib, uh that was fun going over your 2025 year in review, 77% on the Taylor Nib scale.
[1:38:26] SPEAKER_00: Uh, no personal highlights though.
[1:38:28] SPEAKER_00: So maybe you were actually pregnant before uh Singaporean.
[1:38:32] SPEAKER_01: That's that's the Taylor Nib has a baby.
[1:38:37] SPEAKER_00: That's why she's being a little bit uh shy about it.
[1:38:40] SPEAKER_00: Uh so good luck in 2026 with both your racing goals and life as a new parent.
[1:38:45] SPEAKER_00: That's uh it's gonna be a big year.
[1:38:47] SPEAKER_01: People are gonna think you're actually telling the truth of this because they don't understand your sarcasm.
[1:38:51] SPEAKER_01: But wait, back to the beginning of the podcast, you asked how like professional I was gonna be and how much I was gonna reveal.
[1:38:57] SPEAKER_01: So was it the 99% or the 60%?
[1:39:00] SPEAKER_00: I think you were professional, but you also gave away a lot.
[1:39:03] SPEAKER_00: So you weren't kind of like, you know, uh there's different versions of you.
[1:39:06] SPEAKER_00: So there's like the Bob Babbitt version, which is uh you don't give away much, and then there's like the T100 interview version where you give away a lot, but you uh yeah, you're ruthless.
[1:39:18] SPEAKER_00: And then there's There's the probably the Joe Skipper podcast version, which is where you don't give away a lot, but you're you're very, very authentic and like the real tailor.
[1:39:29] SPEAKER_00: Probably what I would say is the closest to the tailor that you get when you hang out uh in person.
[1:39:33] SPEAKER_00: And you were probably somewhere between Yeah, I don't know.
[1:39:36] SPEAKER_00: Maybe this was a bit of a different version.
[1:39:38] SPEAKER_00: You were you were very professional, but you also gave away a lot of detail compared to what you usually do.
[1:39:43] SPEAKER_00: So I thought it was good.
[1:39:43] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you're you're you're making it sound like I'm like bipolar and I have multiple real tailors.
[1:39:48] SPEAKER_01: I mean Jesus, like jungle and hide.
[1:39:54] SPEAKER_00: No, you don't only you don't only have two personalities.
[1:39:57] SPEAKER_00: That was at least four I listed.
[1:40:08] SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you.
[1:40:09] SPEAKER_00: I also think learning that.

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