# The Kona Debrief Podcast!

An episode of [The Triathlon Hour](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1595443343), 13 Oct 2025, 1 h 37 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2640942/episodes/19698017-the-kona-debrief-podcast.mp3

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## Transcript

[0:27] SPEAKER_02: Pretenders, contenders, whatever you are, I think we can all come together and put aside our differences today after the Women's Iron Man World Championships in Kona this weekend and join in in mutual disbelief of what we just witnessed.
[0:41] SPEAKER_02: Whether you watch the whole race, bits and pieces of it, or just followed along on Instagram or the tracker, you'll know this was one of those rare races that don't come around every year.
[0:51] SPEAKER_02: Chaos, drama, theatre, the highest of highs, and some near-death experiences, which you don't get every year.
[0:58] SPEAKER_02: Kona 2025 had it all.
[1:00] SPEAKER_02: And today we're going to talk about it.
[1:02] SPEAKER_02: The whole squad is here to do so.
[1:04] SPEAKER_02: So let's start by welcoming the 24th place finisher at Kona 2024, Sam Appleton.
[1:11] SPEAKER_03: Thanks, Jack.
[1:12] SPEAKER_03: Thanks for bringing up my one of my most prestigious results.
[1:14] SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, yesterday that was uh absolute cinema.
[1:18] SPEAKER_03: Yesterday, I was glued to the TV pretty much all day.
[1:21] SPEAKER_03: I think that's the most I've ever watched a full Iron Man.
[1:24] SPEAKER_03: I snuck out for an hour swim kind of when they were at the back end of the bike.
[1:28] SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I was glued from start to finish.
[1:31] SPEAKER_02: And Kona's foremost swim expert, of which we're gonna show you some proof in just a few minutes.
[1:36] SPEAKER_02: Dr.
[1:36] SPEAKER_02: Hareg, I mean Greg Harper.
[1:40] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh, thanks for having me, Jack.
[1:41] SPEAKER_04: And you know, Jack texted me and it was like two in the morning his time, and he's like, I just want to run through a wall right now.
[1:47] SPEAKER_04: Like, Kona gets me hype like nothing else.
[1:49] SPEAKER_04: So we were all feeling the hype out there uh yesterday.
[1:52] SPEAKER_02: And of course, the newest addition to the team, the most opinionated woman in Triton, who is also one of the biggest people pleasers in Triton.
[2:01] SPEAKER_02: So I don't really know how that makes sense, but just go with it.
[2:03] SPEAKER_02: Vicky Holland.
[2:04] SPEAKER_00: I think one is what I am and one's what I want to be.
[2:07] SPEAKER_00: Um, but yes, I am delighted to be back chatting about everything that went down yesterday.
[2:13] SPEAKER_00: It still feels surreal.
[2:16] SPEAKER_00: Um little spoiler for you, I didn't get quite to the end of the race, but at the point I went to sleep, it looked done.
[2:25] SPEAKER_00: And let me tell you, it was not done when I woke up.
[2:29] SPEAKER_02: So, at what point did you fall asleep, Vicky?
[2:31] SPEAKER_00: I reckon they were about 14 kilometers into the run.
[2:35] SPEAKER_02: Okay.
[2:36] SPEAKER_00: And at that point, Lucy had overtaken Taylor.
[2:39] SPEAKER_02: That was just as Lucy had overtaken Taylor or was overtaking Taylor up Palani, gave her the tap of death on the back.
[2:46] SPEAKER_02: And I reckon that tap that Lucy gave Taylor on the run was like the thing that set everything off.
[2:53] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, wild.
[2:55] SPEAKER_03: I'm upset that Taylor didn't um give the tap back when she passed Lucy going into the energy lab.
[3:01] SPEAKER_03: That would have been the ultimate like boss move, like the tap on the back.
[3:06] SPEAKER_00: I should say I have watched every second of the race again.
[3:11] SPEAKER_00: As in, I've watched all the bit I missed last night.
[3:13] SPEAKER_00: I've watched it all today.
[3:14] SPEAKER_00: So don't you worry, I am fully clued up on everything that happened.
[3:18] SPEAKER_02: We thought that the way we would go about this podcast is walk you through the race.
[3:22] SPEAKER_02: So if you watched it, we can try and add some depth or give you our opinions on what we were saying.
[3:27] SPEAKER_02: If you didn't watch it or only watch parts of it, we want you to walk away from this podcast feeling like you watched the whole thing.
[3:33] SPEAKER_02: So where else to start?
[3:34] SPEAKER_02: But the swim.
[3:35] SPEAKER_02: Actually, I want to go before the swim because we were talking during the broadcast, Vicky, and I think you made a very interesting comment about the start line and Cat Matthews.
[3:44] SPEAKER_02: So let's start on the swim start line.
[3:47] SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, before we get to Cat, can we all just agree that it is the most awkward walkout that you could possibly have?
[3:53] SPEAKER_00: I mean, they don't just get each athlete to come out and wave to the camera, pause, and then go down to the start line.
[4:00] SPEAKER_00: It's like 10 seconds that they have to stand there.
[4:03] SPEAKER_00: And it's really long time, and every single one of them looked incredibly uncomfortable, as I think I would do in the same situation if I just had to stand there and kind of awkwardly smile before someone waves me on.
[4:15] SPEAKER_00: But the one thing, Jack, as you said, that I did really notice was of all the big contenders, yeah, contenders that we saw coming out in those top few spots before they went down to the start.
[4:27] SPEAKER_00: The one who looked, I would say, significantly more nervous than all the others and not at ease being there at all, was Kat.
[4:35] SPEAKER_00: She definitely had the face of someone who was nervous about going into the battle, whereas the others kind of had that sort of nervous smile, but here we go, excitement, I'm ready for this.
[4:45] SPEAKER_00: Cat Kat looked a little bit more nervous, I thought.
[4:48] SPEAKER_02: And before we get into the details of the swim, like I said off the top of the show, it turns out Greg, he was a self-proclaimed expert, and we all thought it was just complete bullshit, and he didn't actually really know what he was talking about.
[4:59] SPEAKER_02: But it turned out when Lucy Charles Barclay got out of the swim on the weekend, what it said she swam on the tracker app was exactly to the second the time prediction that Greg said she would swim in our daily pods.
[5:13] SPEAKER_02: And Apo said that's a bit slow, don't you think?
[5:15] SPEAKER_02: And Greg held fast on it.
[5:17] SPEAKER_02: And just to prove we're not lying, we brought the uh the receipts as well.
[5:20] SPEAKER_04: And I'm gonna predict Lucy Charles Barclay comes out first and 49.29.
[5:26] SPEAKER_02: So Apo, 49.29, that was exactly the time Lucy came out in.
[5:30] SPEAKER_02: There's been some kind of interesting like issues with the app since, and and it's gone to 49.26, but at the time it was 49.29 to the second.
[5:40] SPEAKER_03: Yep, you know, as much as I hate to admit it, Greg was right.
[5:44] SPEAKER_03: I was wrong.
[5:45] SPEAKER_03: Greg, I'm sorry.
[5:46] SPEAKER_03: Um, but it still doesn't improve your ranking overall.
[5:49] SPEAKER_03: You're still third.
[5:51] SPEAKER_04: Only people care about the swim app, though.
[5:52] SPEAKER_04: You know, that's how triathon works.
[5:54] SPEAKER_04: That's where the finish line is.
[5:55] SPEAKER_04: It's T1, and I won.
[5:57] SPEAKER_04: So get off me.
[5:58] SPEAKER_02: Speaking of Greg, I think we actually have three pretty good swim experts here.
[6:03] SPEAKER_02: Like all three of you being front pack swimmers in your life, uh, maybe not all the time, but most of the time.
[6:08] SPEAKER_02: So let's talk about what happened in the swim.
[6:10] SPEAKER_02: Obviously, Lucy decided to take it out hard from the start.
[6:13] SPEAKER_02: Taylor tried really hard to go with her.
[6:15] SPEAKER_02: Lucy cracked her, and and then big gaps formed pretty much 200 meters into the swim.
[6:20] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was not exactly how I thought it would play out.
[6:24] SPEAKER_04: I thought Taylor would be potentially a little bit closer at the end, but yeah, it was just basically one chase pack and Lucy off the front.
[6:32] SPEAKER_04: It's funny, we talk about the you know, they have to swim to the start line, right?
[6:36] SPEAKER_04: And even on the swim in, they had this overhead shot, and it was just like Lucy and everyone else behind, even swimming to the line.
[6:42] SPEAKER_04: I'm like, this is exactly how it's gonna be.
[6:45] SPEAKER_04: And like that main character energy, like even on the warm-up to the line, she's like, Sup.
[6:50] SPEAKER_04: And that you know, that and that's what she did.
[6:51] SPEAKER_04: I think Lucy just likes to get out hard and swim her own.
[6:54] SPEAKER_04: So Taylor tried to stay with her, and I was texting Jack, I was like, I want Taylor to slot in.
[6:59] SPEAKER_04: And she eventually did about 10 minutes in.
[7:02] SPEAKER_04: It seemed like Holly Lawrence and Haley Chura did a lot of the work in that chase pack, uh, kind of for the rest of the swim.
[7:09] SPEAKER_04: And then, you know, Clark, Marta Sanchez, Lottie Wilms, and Chelsea were all kind of there or thereabouts uh in that group.
[7:17] SPEAKER_04: About 130 back in the end.
[7:19] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Chelsea had a great swim.
[7:20] SPEAKER_03: Um I'm curious.
[7:23] SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm not convinced that Taylor cannot swim with Lucy.
[7:27] SPEAKER_03: I wonder if Taylor is just trying to keep, you know, the amount of matches she's burning early, because she's looking at the race as a whole, right, and thinking what's going to get me from the start to the finish the fastest.
[7:39] SPEAKER_03: And I'm not convinced that she can't swim with Lucy because Taylor's an amazing swimmer.
[7:43] SPEAKER_03: I know Lucy is as well.
[7:44] SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I wonder if Taylor just maybe took it a little bit easier and had plans to kind of ride hard.
[7:50] SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, because I think I think Taylor has the ability to swim with Lucy.
[7:54] SPEAKER_00: You're absolutely right.
[7:55] SPEAKER_00: Taylor can swim with Lucy.
[7:57] SPEAKER_00: We've seen her do it in different races.
[7:58] SPEAKER_00: Like it's not that she's never done it before.
[8:01] SPEAKER_00: And I actually thought she would.
[8:02] SPEAKER_00: I thought she would get there.
[8:04] SPEAKER_00: And even probably about a hundred metres into the race, the gap was only probably a metre, two metres off the back of Lucy's feet to Taylor.
[8:12] SPEAKER_00: And I thought she's gonna get on here because we know what Lucy does.
[8:15] SPEAKER_00: She goes out super hard, first couple of hundred metres, and then she settles into pace.
[8:19] SPEAKER_00: And I thought that Taylor would still get there, and she just didn't quite make it.
[8:24] SPEAKER_00: And I think you're right.
[8:25] SPEAKER_00: I think she had one shot at it, went in for 200 metres to see if she could make it, and then was like, nope, I'm not getting there, so instead I'm gonna settle in and not burn too many matches for later on in the race.
[8:36] SPEAKER_02: I agree though, Greg.
[8:37] SPEAKER_02: I don't think Taylor sprinted all out 10 out of 10.
[8:40] SPEAKER_02: It's like if I don't get across to Lucy's feet, then my day's done.
[8:44] SPEAKER_02: I don't think she went into that level.
[8:46] SPEAKER_02: I think she kept it relatively smooth.
[8:48] SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've just I've just seen Taylor swim so many times, and and she looked smooth and in control still.
[8:53] SPEAKER_02: So I agree.
[8:54] SPEAKER_02: I know that for Taylor a huge focus the whole day, but definitely in the swim, was to keep her core body temperature down.
[9:00] SPEAKER_02: I know that she's done testing leading into this race, and she knows to the decimal point what her temperature can get to, and she can still keep it in control and get it back down a little bit.
[9:11] SPEAKER_02: And I also know that she knows the exact decimal point where if she goes over it, it doesn't come back down.
[9:16] SPEAKER_02: And so because she did this testing and she found out this data, she knows that if she gets her core temperature to or past that point, it won't come back down for the rest of the day, which is a guaranteed heat exhaustion episode coming for her at some point.
[9:30] SPEAKER_02: Now the irony is that still happened.
[9:32] SPEAKER_02: So she didn't succeed in keeping it below that point all day.
[9:36] SPEAKER_02: But she did say I could give this away.
[9:39] SPEAKER_02: I won't tell you the number, but she came out of the water and on her core body sensor, she was 0.1 degrees Celsius below the point that her core body temperature was allowed to get to before it won't come back down.
[9:53] SPEAKER_02: 0.1.
[9:53] SPEAKER_02: So I think you can kind of assume from that that she did make the right decision in let in letting Lucy Charles Barclay go and not trying to go into the red zone to get there because she definitely would have overheated and her day might have fallen apart even sooner.
[10:07] SPEAKER_02: So it was a smart move by Taylor.
[10:09] SPEAKER_02: Maybe she could have got across, maybe she couldn't have in the end.
[10:11] SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I I I I guess my big question is did Lucy go too hard too early, Greg.
[10:16] SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's an interesting strategy.
[10:19] SPEAKER_04: If you build into the swim, like hey, Lucy's gonna say I'm gonna start off solid.
[10:23] SPEAKER_04: I know I might have some girls on my feet, and then I kind of build into it.
[10:27] SPEAKER_04: It seems like that would be more in control, right?
[10:31] SPEAKER_04: And maybe that core attempt stays in check.
[10:33] SPEAKER_04: But the go super hard for 300 meter strategy seems like the worst one on paper, right?
[10:38] SPEAKER_04: Lucy's done that and won an Iron Man world title.
[10:41] SPEAKER_04: So I'm not gonna say don't do that, but you know, maybe as Lucy, you know, she's not getting like old per se, but as you as you go in your career, you might have to change up your strategy.
[10:52] SPEAKER_04: And her strategy going into Kona next time might not be, hey, I'm gonna go off the front and solo this thing.
[10:58] SPEAKER_04: It's maybe I want some company and I'm gonna try to change my approach.
[11:02] SPEAKER_04: So, you know, it's a game of matches and energy, and she burned some right to start, and it came back in the end and got her.
[11:09] SPEAKER_04: So maybe she biked too hard, maybe it was the one-minute penalty on the bike, all these type of things, but going hard the first 300 meters of an 800 an eight-hour race is a bold strategy, Cotton.
[11:20] SPEAKER_04: Let's see how it plays out.
[11:21] SPEAKER_02: And Apo, you talked about Chelsea Sodaro.
[11:23] SPEAKER_02: I thought that was probably one of the big surprises of the swim.
[11:27] SPEAKER_02: So obviously, you touched on the groups that it was Lucy out in front, and then it was a minute and ten seconds back to that group of like Hayley Tura, Holly Lawrence, Taylor Nib, Rebecca Clark, Marta Sanchez, Lottie Wilms, and Chelsea Sodaro, um, which ended up being like a minute 30 out of T1.
[11:42] SPEAKER_02: And then there was another smaller group about two minutes back that where that second group kind of splintered, which was like Clutterbach was in there, um Indy Lee, Julie Lamolo, um Regan Holyoke, bloody Regan.
[11:53] SPEAKER_02: We're going to talk about her later.
[11:55] SPEAKER_02: Um, and then it was six minutes back from Lucy to literally everyone else in the race.
[12:00] SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, in other years, I reckon you would have expected Chelsea Sidaro to be in that six-minute group with Kat and Jocelyn and and Laura and and the like.
[12:08] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, great swim by Chelsea.
[12:10] SPEAKER_03: I know she's been she's been swimming with the Julie Dibbins group that I swim at occasionally, so her swim has gone up a notch.
[12:17] SPEAKER_03: And yeah, I think it was disappointing um for her to drop out of the race.
[12:22] SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, I thought she had a great swim, and I was almost at that start of the bike thing, and she's in the driving seat here.
[12:28] SPEAKER_03: She's in a great spot, but then obviously it wasn't meant to be.
[12:31] SPEAKER_03: Um that Kat and Laura group being six minutes down.
[12:35] SPEAKER_03: I think that was a pretty good swim for them.
[12:38] SPEAKER_03: I think they're they would be reasonably happy with that.
[12:41] SPEAKER_03: Um but then yeah, I think if you wanted to move on in into the bike, I think Kat losing that 35 to 40 seconds in in T1, she kind of lost that that group of um Laura Phillip and a few others.
[12:54] SPEAKER_03: I think Lisa Perdera was in there as well.
[12:57] SPEAKER_03: Um and then yeah, I wonder how many matches Kat had to spend at the beginning of the bike to close down that gap because yeah, it looked like she had had some ice in her helmet, which we saw Sam Laidlow do.
[13:08] SPEAKER_03: Um but yeah, something went wrong and kind of I don't know if it all kind of froze up in her helmet, but yeah, she spent a bit of time in T1 trying to get that helmet on.
[13:17] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she lost about 30 seconds because she was in front of Laura Philip, considerably in front of Laura Philip going in, and Laura, you see her sort of run through, pick up her bike, have a quick glance over at Kat and run straight out while Kat's still trying to scoop this sort of stuck ice out of her helmet, and in doing so, she also knocked her visor off, so she had to pick that up off the floor.
[13:39] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it was potentially a very costly mistake.
[13:42] SPEAKER_02: I I wonder if it was Vicky, because you know how like easy it is to be like, oh well, she lost 35 seconds in T1 and she lost by 35 seconds, so I guess without that it would have been a sprint finish, but that's not how it works at all.
[13:55] SPEAKER_02: It couldn't be further from how it works because then if we go onto the bike, what happened is Marjolaine Pierre went literally thermonuclear, she was Tate Pagacha out there for the first like 15k of the bike, and and then Laura Phillip and Lisa Perderer kind of like got dropped by Marjolaine and then were trying to work to get across to her.
[14:13] SPEAKER_02: So they were they were pushing really hard.
[14:15] SPEAKER_02: And Laura Phillip noticed that she had a gap to Cat Matthews and started pushing super hard too.
[14:21] SPEAKER_02: And then so Kat was kind of with people, but also by herself really when it came to to having to get across to the gap.
[14:28] SPEAKER_02: And so really it was like Laura pushing hard, Kat pushing hard, marjelaine pushing hard, Lisa Purder kind of just sat in on Laura, and then they all came back together really quickly, like 25k into the bike, they all they all came back together anyway, and and then it just became uh the rest of the bike ride 155k where Kat and Laura didn't leave each other.
[14:48] SPEAKER_02: So if Kat comes out of T1 with Laura, doesn't have those helmet issues, she's just gonna stay with Laura anyway.
[14:55] SPEAKER_02: Like very clearly that Kat just had a plan to stay with Laura on the bike, and she didn't she didn't even to she didn't ever to me look like she tried to put in a dig to get away, whether the cameras didn't get it or or whatnot.
[15:07] SPEAKER_02: But I I feel like Kat had a very clear strategy, which was to make other people do the work, like Solvig and Lisa Perdera and Laura, but particularly Laura.
[15:16] SPEAKER_02: So I don't know if it actually ended up hurting her that much in the end.
[15:20] SPEAKER_00: Do you think though that it's it's just quite a stressful situation?
[15:23] SPEAKER_00: So it's like, what does that do to you at that moment when you're going, Oh gosh, I've had I've we thought we've had this really good idea, but I actually now can't get my helmet on and I've got to get this ice out, and I'm watching all the girls that I've just swam with run away and get on their bikes and get out of transition.
[15:38] SPEAKER_00: And I think the first time on the coverage I saw Kat go round Laura was 40k in.
[15:43] SPEAKER_00: Now I don't know if she caught up a little bit earlier than that, but that's how long it took her, I think, to get to the very front of that pack.
[15:50] SPEAKER_00: So did she maybe burn one or two matches?
[15:53] SPEAKER_00: Again, like we're we're we're guessing, we don't know, but I don't think I agree with you.
[15:58] SPEAKER_00: It's not as simple as going, she lost 30 seconds there.
[16:00] SPEAKER_00: That means it would have been a sprint finish at the end.
[16:02] SPEAKER_00: But you know, it's not as simple as that.
[16:04] SPEAKER_00: I just wonder whether it added to the stress of the moment.
[16:09] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's an unnecessary match, I think, that didn't need to be burnt because, like you said, Vicky, there is moments in the race where you do need to make those decisions and think, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna burn some matches here.
[16:19] SPEAKER_03: And yeah, to burn matches when you don't necessarily want to, it just comes back and and bites you in the end.
[16:25] SPEAKER_03: Um But yeah, interestingly, um Solveg um up to Harvey just rode away from the group and she was just so strong.
[16:36] SPEAKER_03: And I wonder if her being alone just allowed Solveg to ride her own pace, her own power, um, not get caught up in group dynamics.
[16:46] SPEAKER_03: I think that is actually a benefit when everybody's caught up racing themselves, pulling turns, because every time you're going to the front, right, you're lifting your power, your pace, you're and um you're burning through more energy.
[16:58] SPEAKER_03: And when you're by yourself, you can kind of just ride your own rhythm, ride the hills how you want, ride your own power.
[17:03] SPEAKER_03: And I think that actually played into Solvig's hands in the end.
[17:06] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that was about 50k into the bike where Solvig she just went to the front appo.
[17:10] SPEAKER_02: And again, it didn't look like she put in an attack.
[17:13] SPEAKER_02: Like when Marjolaine went, Marjolaine went.
[17:16] SPEAKER_02: And when Laura tried to catch Marjolaine, you were like, Oh, these two are putting in serious efforts here.
[17:22] SPEAKER_02: Whereas when Solvig went to the front, it looked like she was just riding her power, and then the wheel got let go, and then before you knew it, she was 30 seconds ahead of the Laura and Kat and Lisa Perdera group.
[17:34] SPEAKER_02: And I don't know, it was it was a weird thing.
[17:36] SPEAKER_02: Like, I wonder why none of those women decided to take the leadership role and go, Well, we can't let Solvig go.
[17:43] SPEAKER_02: Like, all those three women, even if you were surprised by Solvik's performance, all those three women aren't surprised by what Solvi did.
[17:50] SPEAKER_02: They know that she's one of their major threats.
[17:52] SPEAKER_02: So I wonder whether they just played cat and mouse and it didn't work out for them.
[17:57] SPEAKER_02: And that moment there, 50k into the bike, was the decisive moment of the race that Kat and Laura and Lisa probably looked back at and went, What were we doing?
[18:06] SPEAKER_02: Or is it just deceptive?
[18:08] SPEAKER_02: And is Solvig's power that she was pushing just so high at that moment that she literally just rode the women out of her out of her wheel and there was nothing they can do about it?
[18:16] SPEAKER_02: That's like my big question from this race.
[18:18] SPEAKER_04: I think she's just too strong.
[18:19] SPEAKER_04: I mean, the gaps in the end were big.
[18:22] SPEAKER_04: Like it's not like, oh, we could have gone with her and what?
[18:24] SPEAKER_04: They would have rode nine minutes faster.
[18:26] SPEAKER_04: It's like if you if you're gonna hang with someone, you might let them go, keep them in sight, and said, okay, let's reel them in.
[18:32] SPEAKER_04: But I think Solvid was just super strong, which is which is great.
[18:36] SPEAKER_04: I mean, she had an insane bike, wasn't it the fastest split or second fastest split?
[18:41] SPEAKER_04: Like equal to Taylor Nib out there, right?
[18:43] SPEAKER_04: So could Cat and Laura hang with Taylor Nib out in front?
[18:46] SPEAKER_04: Ah, it would have been tough.
[18:47] SPEAKER_04: So Solvig threw down and she put time in on women who have put time on her earlier in the year.
[18:53] SPEAKER_04: So she clearly was at another level on the bike and essentially won her the race, in quotes, right?
[18:59] SPEAKER_04: I mean, obviously she had to execute, but just I think she was just crazy strong out there.
[19:03] SPEAKER_00: She said afterwards in the press conference that she didn't mean to break away from them, that she went to the front of the group, was riding well, was riding over her target power, but felt really good, and said lumps, she likes to do that.
[19:16] SPEAKER_00: She likes to go by feel and not just be bound by by whatever the power says.
[19:21] SPEAKER_00: And she said she actually sort of looked back as if to say, Come on, who's gonna take a turn now?
[19:27] SPEAKER_00: Because I've been at the front for ages.
[19:28] SPEAKER_00: And that's when she realized that she dropped them all.
[19:31] SPEAKER_04: That's a good feeling, huh?
[19:32] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, brilliant, right?
[19:34] SPEAKER_00: And then she said, Oh, this has either been really stupid or really clever, and I don't know which one it's gonna be, and I'm gonna have to wait and see how it pans out.
[19:40] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and did end up having the second fastest bike.
[19:43] SPEAKER_02: She she was 50 seconds behind Taylor Nib, who had the fastest bike, and Lucy Charles Barclay had a minute penalty.
[19:48] SPEAKER_02: So you've gotta kind of gotta work these into the time because they added onto it.
[19:51] SPEAKER_02: So Solvig was about a minute faster than what Lucy was, two minutes if you had the penalty.
[19:56] SPEAKER_02: And then that big group, like Kat and Laura and Jocelyn and Lisa, like you said, Greg, Solvig was eight minutes faster than them.
[20:03] SPEAKER_02: And and when when all was said and done, like the gaps into T2 where Taylor came in and then Lucy came in two minutes behind her, and then Solvig was a further six minutes behind Taylor, and then Laura, Kat, Jocelyn, Hannah, Lisa, were all 14 minutes back.
[20:18] SPEAKER_02: So it it really was like carnage into T2, very different to the men's race.
[20:23] SPEAKER_02: Like the women's race just explodes on the bike at the Iron Man World Championships.
[20:28] SPEAKER_02: And I think if there's one lesson to take from this, if you're a professional female who's going to do Kona in 2026, it's that your bike has to be at such a high level if you want to be competitive in these races.
[20:40] SPEAKER_02: Because if you if you go back and look at like you know, anyone who has a chance to win this race, like these are the fastest bike times.
[20:46] SPEAKER_02: So it was like Taylor Nibb, Solvik Losseth, Lucy Charles Barclay, Kat Matthews, Laura Phillip, Jocelyn McCauley, Lisa Purder, Hannah Berry.
[20:54] SPEAKER_02: These are the women that all were either going to win the race, in the lead of the race, did win the race, on the podium.
[21:01] SPEAKER_02: So it was like a like a direct correlation with how fast did you ride and where did you finish in the race?
[21:06] SPEAKER_03: Do you want to touch on Lucy's penalty?
[21:09] SPEAKER_03: Um I didn't see the infringement.
[21:11] SPEAKER_03: Was it uh I know it was intentional uh unintentional littering.
[21:15] SPEAKER_03: Was it a bottle that popped out?
[21:17] SPEAKER_03: Um rear bottle.
[21:18] SPEAKER_03: Did you guys a rear bottle?
[21:20] SPEAKER_03: Um Do you think that was a decisive moment?
[21:23] SPEAKER_03: Because we saw Lucy coming into that penalty tent um at Waikaloa there.
[21:29] SPEAKER_03: It almost looked to me on the coverage like she went around Taylor and tried to attack and almost get a gap into the penalty tent so she could then serve the one minute penalty and hopefully get back onto Taylor's wheel.
[21:43] SPEAKER_03: Does that make sense?
[21:44] SPEAKER_03: Do you think that played a crucial role?
[21:46] SPEAKER_03: And that was maybe, you know, one of those matches that she burnt that maybe came back and um kind of yeah, c came back to haunt her a bit in the end?
[21:56] SPEAKER_00: I absolutely do, Apo.
[21:57] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that could be something that was a big factor in her day.
[22:01] SPEAKER_00: And you know, I I said it on the podcast, I said it all week, especially when I've been speaking with with Reese about this.
[22:07] SPEAKER_00: Reese, my husband, not Lucy's husband.
[22:11] SPEAKER_00: To be clear, that Lucy is the most proven athlete in the field in Kona.
[22:18] SPEAKER_00: She's had five races there where she's had four second places in a first.
[22:22] SPEAKER_00: She knows how to deal with the heat, the humidity, she knows how to race the race.
[22:26] SPEAKER_00: So you would always bank on her knowing how to race it, right?
[22:30] SPEAKER_00: But I felt like for the first time I was watching her race someone else and not race the race that she needed to race.
[22:37] SPEAKER_00: And I think she was so worried about what Taylor was doing that she maybe made a few small mistakes.
[22:44] SPEAKER_00: For example, did she go a little bit too hard in the swim because she wanted to be away from Taylor?
[22:49] SPEAKER_00: Did she go too hard when she knew she had that penalty because she wanted to get a little bit of a march on Taylor before she had to go into the penalty term.
[22:57] SPEAKER_00: Did she then ride a bit too hard after the penalty to try and not let that gap go too big?
[23:01] SPEAKER_00: Did she run a bit too hard in the first 10k to catch up to Taylor?
[23:05] SPEAKER_00: We don't know the answer yet and I've not heard anything from from Lucy from the Charles Barclay camp as to as to what actually happened for her out there.
[23:13] SPEAKER_00: But if you were going to put money on one person not having a heat episode for me it was Lucy Charles Barclay.
[23:20] SPEAKER_00: I thought she would have all this absolutely down and the fact that she ended up where she did on the day tells me that maybe she did burn too many matches there.
[23:28] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[23:29] SPEAKER_04: That's a great thought Vicky and you know when when Lucy passed Taylor she kind of said something too it'd almost be like hey I got a penalty just you know just hang back while I surge ahead for a little bit.
[23:41] SPEAKER_04: You know she obviously was caught up in Taylor's race right and her own race and what's won her all these races over the years is she got goes and does her own thing.
[23:50] SPEAKER_04: So yeah you know I actually hadn't thought of it quite like that but that's like just spot on.
[23:54] SPEAKER_04: Vicky obviously bringing the knowledge to the table.
[23:57] SPEAKER_00: That's why I'm here guys.
[23:58] SPEAKER_02: I agree Greg.
[23:59] SPEAKER_02: I heard that and I thought great take there by Vicky because it's so true.
[24:03] SPEAKER_02: And and the way that you've pieced that together like of course those things add up and I think the penalty I think it was kind of it was part of a bigger issue for for Lucy wasn't it which is what you were hinting at.
[24:15] SPEAKER_02: It's that her head wasn't in her own race today.
[24:18] SPEAKER_02: It was in everyone else's race.
[24:19] SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure it was just about Taylor either.
[24:21] SPEAKER_02: Like I don't think she went off hard in the swim just because of Taylor.
[24:24] SPEAKER_02: I think she was probably super worried about the fast runners in Kat and and Laura and probably had a plan to be like okay I'm going to go off in front today and I'm not going to see those women all day and then I I don't know it must be a weird thing for Lucy because she's she hasn't really been caught on the bike like that.
[24:39] SPEAKER_02: And then when Taylor rides up to her so early too like that ride that Taylor did up to Harvey was insane.
[24:45] SPEAKER_02: Like like are we going to talk about that?
[24:47] SPEAKER_02: She she closed this two minute gap to Lucy in like 15k.
[24:51] SPEAKER_00: It was less I think I think it was 10k it was between the 80 and 90k splits it went from 150 to nothing like she just went absolutely turbo on the way up to Harvey and depending on where Lucy's getting time checks she wouldn't have even known that was happening.
[25:08] SPEAKER_00: She would have just gone round the U-turn at Harvey and gone oh she's here.
[25:12] SPEAKER_00: When when did that happen?
[25:13] SPEAKER_02: Exactly and it would have shocked her I reckon because she was so far behind that she would have had at least one time check of like 150 or two minutes.
[25:21] SPEAKER_02: And then just for her to just be there she would have I reckon she started panicking a little bit.
[25:26] SPEAKER_02: And then like obviously the chaos of a bottle like dropping and that's not really your fault but in Lucy's head she's thinking holy shit I'm with Taylor this early into the race am I not riding as well as I think I am is everyone else catching me behind Taylor's caught me I've got this penalty just like moments of panic.
[25:44] SPEAKER_02: And then I think she rode way too hard after that penalty as well like I reckon if she had her time again she would have been so much more patient at like probably five or six different points because I watch these races and I'm still kind of convinced Lucy was the best athlete in the race which might sound crazy but I feel like she probably should have won this race and I know it's woulda coulda shoulda and she didn't win this race but I just think she'll be kicking herself today.
[26:10] SPEAKER_03: That's why we love Kona though, right?
[26:11] SPEAKER_03: The conditions are so brutal you're racing the conditions and the environment of Kona as much as you're racing the competition and that's what makes it so unique.
[26:21] SPEAKER_03: I think after Nice we were like oh niece is awesome Nice is great but after watching Kona yesterday it's pretty clear that this race is special right it's pretty clear that it's unlike any other race out there.
[26:32] SPEAKER_03: And yeah I think I think Lucy did come in as the favorite but I guess the island had uh had different plans for her.
[26:40] SPEAKER_04: Well when you say racing the conditions versus the you can almost not race other athletes.
[26:45] SPEAKER_04: I mean sure if you're with if it's five miles left in the race and you're neck and neck go race.
[26:50] SPEAKER_04: But racing early on I mean you see what happens laid low blowing up last year he wants to get away because he's scared so you know and yes Laura and Kat were racing out there but they obviously were just riding conservative a bit and we could talk about that the cat were they playing cat and mouse whatever we we've gone into that but if you race the race too early and burn small matches we saw what happened the two women we're talking about both didn't finish the freaking race.
[27:18] SPEAKER_04: It was crazy.
[27:19] SPEAKER_02: Yeah and if you look at Kat Matthews you might go well she ran 247 she ran eight minutes faster than second place she was only 35 seconds behind Solvig in the end.
[27:28] SPEAKER_02: Did she leave something out there?
[27:30] SPEAKER_02: But I think if you actually think about it that's kind of the exact opposite of true because all of these women that weren't cat burnt more matches than Kat at lots of different points like Kat played a really smart game on the bike.
[27:44] SPEAKER_02: She sat behind Laura all day.
[27:46] SPEAKER_02: Every time the camera went to that group Laura was doing work Laura was in front Laura was like closing a gap to Lisa Laura was closing a gap to Solvig Laura was closing a gap to Marjolaine Laura was off the front pushing hard and every time you looked at Kat, you're like Kat's just sitting in cat's just playing smart cat's letting everyone else do the work and you're thinking well what's she doing this group is just getting away from her like you know now Solvig's getting away from her Lucy and Taylor they're up the road getting away from her why aren't you working Kat but she kind of outplayed everyone because she didn't burn any matches and like you said Greg and Apo you're playing the conditions as well.
[28:22] SPEAKER_02: And because of all these opportunities Kat had to do work but chose not to she was the one who was the freshest over the last half marathon and look what it did.
[28:32] SPEAKER_02: It nearly won her the race from 14 minutes down into T2.
[28:36] SPEAKER_02: So I do think that's a really salient point and and the men watching who are going to race next year and the women watching who are going to race next year I think they're one of the big lessons they will have learnt is to when you feel like there's pressure to make big moves or close gaps, you probably shouldn't do it if it means going like above a certain point that you know is too hard.
[28:56] SPEAKER_02: At Kona you probably should race conservative all day and not take risks.
[29:00] SPEAKER_03: Yeah it's so much easier said than done right in Kona and I've done Kona twice and both times when I've been in that group I've known that I'm riding above what I can sustain but it is such a hard decision to just be like am I going to let these people just ride away from me and ride my own race?
[29:18] SPEAKER_03: It's just it's not easy and it's that's why we love it, right?
[29:23] SPEAKER_03: And that's why the world champs is unlike any other race because a lot of other Ironmans you can just go in and do your own race.
[29:31] SPEAKER_03: What's going to get me from the start to the finish the fastest.
[29:33] SPEAKER_03: But at the World Champs you're racing the best you kind of get caught up in the race and it's the undoing of a lot of people.
[29:41] SPEAKER_00: Kona appears to be the sort of ultimate test of patience doesn't it you've got to just wait a bit longer than you think you've got to wait and don't burn those matches and don't play your cards too early.
[29:52] SPEAKER_00: And again Kat said in the in the press conference afterwards that she actually just didn't feel very good.
[29:56] SPEAKER_00: She didn't feel like she could push any harder on the bike and credited Laura with doing tons of the work in their group on the bike and only she knows how much of that was actually the truth of it or how much of it was a tactical decision that she made but whichever way you look at it it played out really well for her because she ran the fastest time we've ever seen in Kona and very very nearly came away with the win.
[30:22] SPEAKER_02: And I think we've been getting some easy days in Kona recently like I reckon since 2018 there hadn't been a brutal day.
[30:28] SPEAKER_02: Like maybe 2017 and 2016 were a bit a bit harder but I I I reckon people had become kind of used to Kona being fast now and everyone's like oh well maybe Kona isn't as brutal as all these legendary stories you hear about and then you get reminded with a day on the weekend where it's like oh no we just haven't had one of these brutal days forever.
[30:48] SPEAKER_02: But this is Kona like the humidity's crazy everyone blows up it's a complete chaos so yeah just a really good reminder that Kona is actually that beast.
[30:58] SPEAKER_03: We just hadn't had it for a like weird amount of time but the Jesus when when when it came back didn't it come back in a big way you know one of the biggest lessons I've learned over years of racing is that hydration isn't a one size fits all approach.
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[32:04] SPEAKER_02: Trust me, once you dial in the hydration you'll feel the difference and so on to the run like we talked about the gaps and I'll just I'll just go over them again.
[32:14] SPEAKER_02: So Taylor came into T2 in the front Lucy Charles Barclay was two minutes behind her.
[32:18] SPEAKER_02: Solvig Losseth after making that break from the Laura Kat Jocelyn Marjolaine Hannah Hannah Berry Lisa Perder group was six minutes back and then all those women except Marjolaine who was like the best cyclist in the world for 15k and then something happened to her I'm not sure she blew up they all came in 14 minutes behind Taylor.
[32:37] SPEAKER_02: So they came in 12 minutes behind Lucy and eight minutes behind Solvig.
[32:43] SPEAKER_02: And then this is where the chaos started.
[32:45] SPEAKER_02: So up until this point there was a little bit of drama like Taylor um nib stopped at about 90k so she she pushed so hard to catch Lucy up to the the top of Harvey and then just pulled her bike over on the side of the road to pick up her nutrition off the ground and stop for about 30 seconds and ride back up to her and Lucy's penalty.
[33:03] SPEAKER_02: But apart from that you know it was relatively calm and then got onto the run and Taylor goes out in the lead but Lucy starts catching her and then Lucy was having all these issues with her shoes like she stopped three or four times for a long period of time to adjust her laces or the tightness of her laces or just adjust something on her shoes.
[33:25] SPEAKER_02: I'm really not sure but something was clearly bothering her but she was still catching Taylor so she was like stopping and then sprinting and stopping and sprinting and then Laura and Kat just sprinted out of T2.
[33:36] SPEAKER_02: Like it was insane how fast they left T2.
[33:39] SPEAKER_02: And Solvig was in the middle of both these groups just looking really good in third looking like she was running her own pace.
[33:45] SPEAKER_02: So this was the beginning of probably the best battle I've ever seen in Kona in in my time in the sport.
[33:50] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[33:51] SPEAKER_03: Laura and Kat went out so fast.
[33:53] SPEAKER_03: I know the tracker isn't always right because yeah I don't know but I looked at the tracker one at one point and they were running like five 30 mile pace and I'm like I don't know how accurate that is but they were running a lot faster.
[34:06] SPEAKER_03: Like you compare it to the other times right and they were running so fast.
[34:10] SPEAKER_03: Again I touched on it on the bike for Solvig but her just being in her own space and just worrying about her own pace and things I think that really played advanced into her hands.
[34:22] SPEAKER_03: I think in hindsight Lucy again to your point Vicky being under pressure might have run out a little bit too hard to catch Taylor as well.
[34:31] SPEAKER_03: Yeah just I think the start of the run is always so fascinating because it gives you such an indication of how people are feeling but generally the people that start off more conservative obviously besides Kat are the ones that um triumph in the end and I think yeah I think we saw people go out too hard and I think Lucy was perhaps one of them.
[34:52] SPEAKER_00: I would say that the big four that went out onto the run so you had Taylor first then Lucy Charles Barclay and then of course Kat and Laura all of them looked great.
[35:03] SPEAKER_00: The second they hopped off their bike not a single one of them looked like they were shuffling or cramping or struggling to find their stride they all looked really good even as they ran through transition and then as they headed out straight away all of them look good.
[35:17] SPEAKER_00: So at that point there's sort of no indication that someone's overbiked or really struggling they all looked amazing but obviously the marathon is just such a different beast especially when you're doing it in Kona in incredibly hot and humid conditions and it came back to get two of them a bit later on.
[35:35] SPEAKER_02: So I talked to Taylor after the race um I was messaging her and I I I only say that because I've asked for permission whether I can share some things that she shared with me about the race and I I feel like this is the point to do it.
[35:48] SPEAKER_02: So one of the really interesting things Taylor shared with me is that uh Dave Scott emailed her before the race just to kind of give her some advice and one of the key points he made was that on the run a lead drive is hard.
[36:03] SPEAKER_02: The rolling terrain and added heat slaughters a large percentage of like all of the world's best athletes it happens within the four first four miles every single year.
[36:13] SPEAKER_02: So just be patient and let the overzealous runners fizzle.
[36:17] SPEAKER_02: That was the big advice he gave her about the the run for the day and you look at Lucy Charles Barclay who takes the lead from so she she's two minutes behind Taylor out of T2 and then she catches her 1415 into the run which is kind of as you leave Ali drive and go up um up Palani.
[36:36] SPEAKER_02: And it's exactly what happened isn't it like Lucy went past her she she caught she ran two minutes into her along Ali drive and then you know it was it was only about 5k later that she completely blew up was literally stumbling didn't know where she was nearly fell over had to be caught caught by a volunteer and then within a within a couple of K Reese Barkley made the decision to pull her off the run course.
[37:00] SPEAKER_02: So there's another lesson and Dave Scott knows it better than anyone clearly just don't run too hard in in a lee drive it comes back to bite you.
[37:08] SPEAKER_02: And I think the same thing happened to Laura Phillip as well because Laura Phillip was leading Cat Matthews early in the run and trying to break Cat Matthews and kind of had four or five meters on her for quite a lot of it and then look what happened.
[37:20] SPEAKER_03: Once they got off a lee drive Kat was just too strong ran away from her and Laura blew up it happened so quick as well the Lucy Charles thing like she was looking great and then all of a sudden she wasn't right and it wasn't one of those strategic walk through the aid station get ice cool myself down and start running again.
[37:39] SPEAKER_03: It immediately looked concerning and I think I messaged you guys in the group like if I was Reese I'd pull her off the course and you know he did in the end but it was kind of amazing to me how she looked awful and then she would just like flip a switch and run to the next date station looking great again and then she'd stop again and she'd be stumbling and I just was like what is going on here?
[38:04] SPEAKER_03: Because when usually when that happens right it's really hard to collect yourself but um Lucy was doing it and I was almost then she did the whole energy lab section.
[38:15] SPEAKER_03: I was like is she gonna just tough this out and then I think smartly Reese pulled her off the course and I almost like it was pretty emotional like I almost started crying when I saw that because you just saw the heartbreak in Lucy and you know how much effort and work has gone into preparing for a race like this.
[38:32] SPEAKER_03: But um yeah it kind of been an easy decision for Reese to pull her off the course.
[38:36] SPEAKER_04: I was almost questioning it a little bit I'm like wow Lucy like she's good but you know then you see what happens to Taylor right and I think about it like this most of the people racing would have been on the side of the road five miles earlier.
[38:48] SPEAKER_04: But Lucy is such a competitor and she's so tough and she was able to just like will herself until finally Reese comes over is like you're gonna end up in the hospital and in 10 minutes down the line if I don't take you off the course.
[39:00] SPEAKER_04: So and I I'm not like I wasn't judging but I'm like no no she could do it because I wanted Lucy to go but it seemed like the right decision.
[39:06] SPEAKER_04: And then you see what happens to Taylor and you're like yeah I'm glad that didn't happen to Lucy down the line.
[39:11] SPEAKER_00: It wasn't the first time right it was it was the fifth or sixth time that she stopped and walked and with kind of at first you're thinking okay this might just be she just needs a minute she needs to cool down then she'll be okay again but when it happens multiple multiple times and she's also not an athlete who usually does that she doesn't normally walk the aid stations a lot of athletes do choose to do that.
[39:32] SPEAKER_00: I know Jan Fredeno himself used to walk through some of the aid stations but Lucy Charles I've never really seen her do that whereas every single opportunity she was walking and sometimes even then in between the aid stations she started walking and I think you've got to also look at it as we now know how detrimental heat episodes can be to your long-term health and how long it can take you to recover from them.
[39:57] SPEAKER_00: Depending on how deep you've gone and how how bad the episode ends up being it can take months or even years to fully get back to where you were before and so the risk at that point just becomes not worth taking and and who knows Lucy better than Reese if he's saying she's she's not right let's get her off the course.
[40:16] SPEAKER_02: Must have been a brutal decision for Reese though because he's not just her husband he's her coach as well.
[40:22] SPEAKER_02: And he's got an athlete and wife in this race leading it which is you know this is the biggest race of of Lucy's career.
[40:30] SPEAKER_02: It's it's like not just financially or for the glory but this is their life's work.
[40:37] SPEAKER_02: Like they dedicate their life to this they go on training camps together they're away 12 months of the year together all for this and to make that decision must have been really tough.
[40:46] SPEAKER_02: But I think what must have happened in the end is I bet you it was a decision made as a husband not as a coach like because you look at it Greg and you go no it's Lucy you know like you can remove yourself emotionally but I I would put money on it that at the end of the day that was Lucy's husband who made that decision and not Lucy's coach.
[41:04] SPEAKER_02: So it wasn't really uh like it wasn't even thinking about the race or can she come good or anything like that.
[41:11] SPEAKER_02: It was just I don't want to see this happen to my wife I don't think this is is going to end well.
[41:15] SPEAKER_02: That that that would be my take on it.
[41:17] SPEAKER_02: And I think ultimately the right decision because like you said Vicky look at what we've seen with Emma Pallant Brown she she had her lights go off in a race like this and she can't race in hot conditions.
[41:26] SPEAKER_02: She does every time she does it she passes out even when things aren't going that hard that tough so um it's a it's a c it's a thing that happens if you if your lights go off and you pass out on the side of the road because of heat exhaustion your body just knows how to protect itself from that point going forward and you can't go to the depths that we saw Taylor and Lucy go to today where you can kind of get through it and then it catches up to you and then get through it and it catches up to you.
[41:51] SPEAKER_02: Once it goes once you take that too far it's done.
[41:54] SPEAKER_02: And then what will happen the next time this happens to you in your career is once you start to go down that path your body just switches off and you pass out and you end up like like what Taylor did.
[42:03] SPEAKER_02: So I'm I'm curious with Taylor as well which we're going to get to in a second.
[42:06] SPEAKER_02: So obviously at this point we're about what what we're about 30k into the marathon Taylor's leading she has four minutes to Solvig Lovseth nine minutes to Kat Matthews 13 minutes to Laura 20 minutes to the Hannah Berry and Lisa Perdera group so we got 12k to go in the marathon and Taylor nibs up by four minutes and then flash forward to 36 kilometers so we've got 6K to go in the marathon and Taylor's still got two minutes and 30 seconds to Solvig six minutes to Kat 12 minutes to Laura 20 minutes to Hannah and and Lisa and we're thinking at this point surely like are you guys thinking this is getting tight but Taylor has won this and Solvig's probably come second and and it looks like Kat's going to finish third here?
[42:45] SPEAKER_03: I was getting worried um I shall looked like she was in control but she looked like she was slowing down and I was speaking to my wife who we were watching it and um she was like oh no she's got four minutes it's uh you know anything you know that's ages and I was like yeah but it's not really like it's not long at all.
[43:07] SPEAKER_03: If if Taylor starts walking then that four minutes gets eviscerated right and then yeah sure enough um once she started slowing and then I started to get yeah a little bit worried and then we saw what happened um kind of at 39 was it 39 or 40k um I think the that finishing the there was a distance to go on the broadcast that I think was a little bit inaccurate it said that Taylor only had like a mile and a half to go but I think it was a little bit longer than that.
[43:38] SPEAKER_03: And then yeah we just saw what happened it she just collapsed on the on the side of the road and like yeah I just did not expect to see both Lucy and Taylor kind of suffer the same fate.
[43:50] SPEAKER_03: It was it was crazy.
[43:51] SPEAKER_03: And I just I I just had my hands over my mouth like for the last hour watching this race.
[43:56] SPEAKER_04: Well the camera was off her and we were actually Nexting appo.
[44:00] SPEAKER_04: And then it went back to Taylor, and you're like, Oh my oh my god.
[44:04] SPEAKER_04: Like she was noticeably slower.
[44:06] SPEAKER_04: And then that's when it was just on her for a couple minutes, and she ended up like on the side of the road just a few minutes later.
[44:12] SPEAKER_04: So you're right.
[44:13] SPEAKER_04: It just it happened so quickly.
[44:15] SPEAKER_04: And then when she fell over, it seemed like Solvid came by.
[44:18] SPEAKER_04: It was like 10 seconds later.
[44:19] SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, oh well, that race is over.
[44:22] SPEAKER_04: And yeah, she obviously said something to Taylor on the ground, almost like, Are you okay?
[44:26] SPEAKER_04: It must have been weird for her as she as she kind of made that pass as well.
[44:29] SPEAKER_00: Well, as I said at the start of the show, by this point I was asleep.
[44:34] SPEAKER_00: Uh I did wake up to go to the toilet, and it must have been just before 2 a.m.
[44:40] SPEAKER_00: our time.
[44:41] SPEAKER_00: And my husband woke up as well and went, What happened?
[44:44] SPEAKER_00: He thought I'd just been awake watching it the whole time.
[44:47] SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I don't know, but I'll have a quick check.
[44:49] SPEAKER_00: And so I went on the tracker and they'd gone through, I think it was like 38, 39 kilometers.
[44:55] SPEAKER_00: And Taylor was still winning.
[44:57] SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, Oh, they're about to finish Taylor's one.
[44:59] SPEAKER_00: Put my phone down and went back to sleep.
[45:04] SPEAKER_00: And then I woke up this morning and went, What?
[45:08] SPEAKER_00: I don't where did she even go?
[45:09] SPEAKER_00: Like, how, how?
[45:10] SPEAKER_00: And so obviously, I've watched now the entire end of the marathon, but as like I have the different perspective of having watched it, knowing already that Taylor did not make it to the end of the race.
[45:22] SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I'm watching it going, When's it gonna happen?
[45:25] SPEAKER_00: When's it gonna happen?
[45:26] SPEAKER_00: Like, she looks fine.
[45:27] SPEAKER_00: Okay, she's wobbling a bit now, but probably still okay.
[45:30] SPEAKER_00: Oh, nope, nope, okay, there we go.
[45:31] SPEAKER_00: She's out.
[45:32] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it goes back to what I said earlier that Taylor knew she had this point that if she went over, it was bad for her.
[45:40] SPEAKER_02: And again, I'm not gonna give away numbers here, but she was well above this number, like well above it.
[45:47] SPEAKER_02: And if if you just keep in mind that our body should be, if we're in homeostasis, about 37 degrees Celsius.
[45:54] SPEAKER_02: What's that in Freedom Units, Greg?
[45:55] SPEAKER_04: Uh 98.6.
[45:58] SPEAKER_02: Oddly specific, must have Googled it.
[46:00] SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, so it's um Taylor's temperature was well above that.
[46:06] SPEAKER_02: Like we're not talking one degree above that, we're talking well above that.
[46:10] SPEAKER_02: And so clearly Taylor had got to this point and was still going, right?
[46:15] SPEAKER_02: Like she's multiple degrees above where her body should be, and multiple degrees above the point she knows is like fatal.
[46:22] SPEAKER_02: You cannot keep moving if you're above this point.
[46:25] SPEAKER_02: She's well above it.
[46:26] SPEAKER_02: And I think what the the big thing that Taylor said was she didn't want to come second, she wasn't willing to take a little bit off and let Solvik beat her and come second.
[46:38] SPEAKER_02: She was all in to win it, or she was gonna pass out on the side of the road.
[46:42] SPEAKER_02: And that's what she did.
[46:42] SPEAKER_02: She passed out on the side of the road.
[46:44] SPEAKER_02: She said um that it was the deepest she's ever gone in her life.
[46:48] SPEAKER_02: She's never once in training or racing been deeper than that.
[46:52] SPEAKER_02: That is officially the deepest she's ever been.
[46:54] SPEAKER_02: And when she she said she remembers things, like she doesn't have the perfect memory of it, but she remembers sitting on the ground and she couldn't use her legs.
[47:03] SPEAKER_02: She lost function of her legs.
[47:04] SPEAKER_02: So if you go back and watch that footage, knowing this, she keeps pointing to her legs, and she must be saying, I can't use my legs.
[47:13] SPEAKER_02: So she just completely lost function of it.
[47:15] SPEAKER_02: So if you think it looks weird, like why is she sitting there like a school kid on the ground, you know, like not moving, like literally not even trying to get up?
[47:23] SPEAKER_02: She couldn't use her legs.
[47:26] SPEAKER_04: Iron Man medical staff nowhere to be found as well.
[47:30] SPEAKER_03: But that's the thing.
[47:31] SPEAKER_03: I wonder if they were waiting.
[47:33] SPEAKER_03: Because once there's been intervention, right, she's out of the race.
[47:37] SPEAKER_03: And I wonder if they're like, is she gonna get up and finish?
[47:41] SPEAKER_03: And I think that there was probably a lot of people like it do we help her or do we because then once you hit administer that help, right, she's DQ'd, um, essentially.
[47:51] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, what's the line?
[47:52] SPEAKER_04: Like, could you walk up and pour water on her head, or is that like that's just no, like literally you can't do anything, it's over.
[47:58] SPEAKER_02: Yep, no outside assistance.
[47:59] SPEAKER_00: But someone was putting ice down Lucy's back quite early on on the run, right?
[48:03] SPEAKER_00: So the first time Lucy walked through an aid station, there was uh a volunteer putting ice down her suit, helping her.
[48:09] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, volunteers are allowed to, so when you go through volunteer aid stations, they have kind of different rules, but in a situation like that with Taylor, an official or a medical official can't do anything.
[48:20] SPEAKER_02: Once they do anything, it's um it's DQ outside assistance.
[48:23] SPEAKER_02: Before we touch on the fact that Solvig lost Seth past Taylor Nib and then also started getting wobbly legs up and down Polani, and it was like, holy shit, Kat Matthews is gonna win the Iron Man World Championships when three people pass out in front of her, but it didn't end up happening.
[48:38] SPEAKER_02: But if you haven't watched it, go and watch the last mile of this race.
[48:42] SPEAKER_02: Solvig lost Seth's her legs aren't working properly either, and Kat looks like the Terminator, and it's just insane.
[48:48] SPEAKER_02: It's it's one of the great finishes in Kona history.
[48:50] SPEAKER_02: Go back and watch it.
[48:51] SPEAKER_02: So obviously Solvig wins and Kat comes second, and Laura Phillips, nine minutes down the road, and comes third.
[48:56] SPEAKER_02: But let's let's talk on this Taylor Nid point here, Greg, because she's got Ma Bea, and then she's got the Qatar T100 grand final after she's just had this episode.
[49:06] SPEAKER_02: Lucy Charles Barclay's just had this episode, and I'm not exactly sure on her full schedule, but she's definitely got the Qatar T100 grand final.
[49:15] SPEAKER_02: Do both of these women do these races, or is this kind of like when a fighter gets knocked out and they need six months off?
[49:22] SPEAKER_02: Like, is this potentially career-threatening for both of these women if they get back into things too soon here?
[49:29] SPEAKER_00: Well, the first thing to say is to Jack's point about Taylor knowing how high her core temperature can go and how extremely high it went on the day.
[49:39] SPEAKER_00: In an Olympic distance race that was not that hot, my core temperature has been over 40 degrees before.
[49:47] SPEAKER_00: So that is extreme, and I was fine.
[49:50] SPEAKER_00: I was absolutely fine with that, but that is extremely hot and at the point where your body shouldn't really be functioning okay at that point.
[49:57] SPEAKER_00: So anything above that is really, really dangerous.
[50:00] SPEAKER_00: So I can only imagine what Taylor's was doing.
[50:03] SPEAKER_00: Um but you're right, in short course racing, because of the intensity, I think, and especially the spikes in racing, that's a really big factor in causing your core to go up.
[50:14] SPEAKER_00: We don't have the duration and the extreme conditions of Kona, of course.
[50:19] SPEAKER_00: But I've seen both Alistair and Johnny Brownley have heat episodes.
[50:23] SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm a good friend of mine, non-Stanford, heat episode.
[50:26] SPEAKER_00: I've seen Jess Limont wobble off a course before.
[50:30] SPEAKER_00: I've seen different people, a lot of them, have these heat episodes.
[50:34] SPEAKER_00: And the one thing that the medical team always says is, we cannot get you back into training straight away.
[50:41] SPEAKER_00: You've got to take some downtime.
[50:42] SPEAKER_00: You've absolutely got to let your body recover.
[50:44] SPEAKER_00: They usually have some testing done afterwards.
[50:47] SPEAKER_00: There's been differences detected in your sweat composition and all sorts once you've been really deep into a heat episode, which then affects everything you thought you knew about your nutrition requirements, your hydration requirements, your sleep requirements, dietary requirements, they all can kind of change off the back of it.
[51:04] SPEAKER_00: Your body composition can physically change because of it.
[51:08] SPEAKER_00: Doesn't happen to everybody, but it really can happen to some.
[51:11] SPEAKER_00: So for all of those who did have heat episodes yesterday, I know they've got great teams around them.
[51:18] SPEAKER_00: They're not they're not solo operators just going rogue here, but I would be very much advising them go and get yourself fully checked out before you get into any kind of serious training again and give yourself at least a couple of weeks before you consider doing much because their bodies are going to really need to recover.
[51:34] SPEAKER_02: And those numbers you bring up are important, Vicky, because the one last point I'm gonna make about the debrief I kind of had with Taylor, and I just want it on the record that she said I could say this, and I double checked because I was like, this is quite a crazy thing for you to let me to say on the podcast.
[51:49] SPEAKER_02: But Taylor Nib, she's the most open book in Trithont, except for when it comes to her power numbers.
[51:54] SPEAKER_02: Taylor Nib, post-collapse, so she goes to the medical tent.
[51:57] SPEAKER_02: Okay, and then 30 to 45 minutes after that, what we've just seen.
[52:02] SPEAKER_02: So after what we've seen transpire on on the road where she can't feel her legs, her core body temperature, this is after, and trust me, it's gone down quite a lot, was 40.11 degrees Celsius.
[52:15] SPEAKER_02: 45 minutes after that that vision we saw of her sitting on the ground where she'd been treated with ice and hydrated and been in the medical tent.
[52:26] SPEAKER_02: That's 45 minutes later, and it's still, you know, what four degrees higher than what it should be.
[52:31] SPEAKER_02: It's um it's crazy.
[52:33] SPEAKER_02: And um, this is the big thing.
[52:35] SPEAKER_02: The way they tested this, and this is why I had a message from Taylor when I woke up in the morning, is that when she was in the medical tent, she wasn't thinking about the race that just happened, she was thinking about us and the podcast because she was listening to the daily episodes, and the way they measured the core temperature just came a little bit too late.
[52:55] SPEAKER_02: The secret to winning, you're supposed to do it before the race, but it happened to Taylor, yeah, in the medical tent at about the 40k mark on the marathon.
[53:03] SPEAKER_03: Oh dear.
[53:04] SPEAKER_00: Well, it is the most accurate way of getting that temperature done, and it is it is an unfortunate reality if you've wobbled off the course and you've had a heat episode and the medics are there, they're gonna want to put a thermometer up there.
[53:19] SPEAKER_02: And I said to her, I said, Did they use a glove?
[53:22] SPEAKER_02: And she goes, I honestly don't remember I was that out of it.
[53:25] SPEAKER_02: She's like, It's the least dignifying experience of your life.
[53:28] SPEAKER_02: There's like 12 people in the medical tent, and uh yeah, the thermometer comes out.
[53:36] SPEAKER_03: Um moving on from that one.
[53:39] SPEAKER_00: Um there.
[53:42] SPEAKER_03: I I just want to touch on Kat's run.
[53:45] SPEAKER_03: She broke the course record, and her splits were 123, 123 for a 247.
[53:53] SPEAKER_03: That is incredible.
[53:55] SPEAKER_03: Like to even split in Kona, it's just an absolute masterclass of um patience and execution.
[54:04] SPEAKER_03: Um, just fell, you know, just came up a little bit short to Solveg.
[54:08] SPEAKER_03: But um, yeah, to to even split that run in Kona is great.
[54:12] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the performance of Kat Matthews life.
[54:15] SPEAKER_02: I must admit, I had doubts about Kat going into the race because I just didn't think that she could do that in the heat.
[54:22] SPEAKER_02: I was like, if this is a cold race in Europe somewhere in the middle of the year, Kat can do this easy.
[54:28] SPEAKER_02: She can win it, she can beat anyone in the world.
[54:30] SPEAKER_02: And like she's the one who handled the heat the best in the end.
[54:33] SPEAKER_02: Like, no one handled it better than her.
[54:35] SPEAKER_02: There wasn't anyone close.
[54:36] SPEAKER_02: The 247 marathon on that day is worth like, I don't know, 240 on the day that Annie Howe ran the previous record, I reckon.
[54:45] SPEAKER_02: Which might sound crazy, but I bet you if you spoke to Kat, she would probably agree with that.
[54:49] SPEAKER_02: Like the next closest to her was 255, Solvig Losseth, who won the race.
[54:54] SPEAKER_02: And like you touched on this before, Vicky, so maybe touch on it now, but we've never had like in the modern era, like that that's the like I can't remember a race where less people of this calibre were in the race and didn't break three hours on the marathon.
[55:08] SPEAKER_00: I had a look through, and there were only three people who went under three hours.
[55:13] SPEAKER_00: I was not expecting that because the way that the level has gone up in women's racing, and even with things like the super shoe technology, I was just expecting so much more.
[55:23] SPEAKER_00: And I think again, it just goes to the brutality of that race yesterday.
[55:28] SPEAKER_00: Kat was on an absolute another level when it came to the run.
[55:31] SPEAKER_00: 247 on a day that claimed so many victims is obscene running, absolutely unbelievable.
[55:38] SPEAKER_00: And then there were two others that were under uh Salve was one, she was 255, I think.
[55:44] SPEAKER_00: Um, and Laura Phillip also, I think, at a 255, and they were the only three.
[55:48] SPEAKER_02: Oh, actually, Vicky, no, I hate to interrupt here, but I only know this because I've prepared an apology for Language.
[55:53] SPEAKER_02: If I got wrong, one more, Sarah Sphinx, the pride, the pride of Sweden also broke three hours.
[56:00] SPEAKER_03: My right or pride of Apple.
[56:03] SPEAKER_00: Four women of that caliber of field to go under three hours was absolutely not in my prediction sheet.
[56:11] SPEAKER_00: So I was I was blown away by that.
[56:13] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so I I mean, we haven't talked about her much.
[56:16] SPEAKER_02: We've talked about her race and the big move that she made, but Solvig Losseth wins the Iron Man World Championships on debut, and you know, Greg and Apo got into a couple of fights about this during the week.
[56:27] SPEAKER_02: Greg kind of started the week saying you can't win the Iron Man World Championships on debut, and then he decided you could out of nowhere.
[56:33] SPEAKER_02: And there was just a whole heap.
[56:35] SPEAKER_02: Go back and listen to the Daily Pods if you if you don't know what we're talking about.
[56:38] SPEAKER_02: But Solvig Losseth, off the back of Kasper Stoyne's doing it at Nice, like they're very similar.
[56:44] SPEAKER_02: They're both coached by Mikal Eden, they're both not part of the official Norwegian method.
[56:49] SPEAKER_02: They're they're they've both come out and won the Iron Man World Championships.
[56:53] SPEAKER_02: It's just insane what Solvik did, and it's insane what Norway are doing.
[56:57] SPEAKER_04: Well, to our point about conditions and races, it wasn't like this easy day in Kona.
[57:02] SPEAKER_04: Like, she went up, she showed up on a tough, tough day.
[57:05] SPEAKER_04: There were wins, it was hot, and executed like a patient game, executed her own race, as Apo said, and then won the whole thing.
[57:13] SPEAKER_04: I mean, I can't believe Norway won both titles.
[57:16] SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's like the country has like seven people in it, and like it's it it it's and they're all the superstar athletes.
[57:23] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, kudos to her for just playing her game and racing like a true veteran, even though it's her first year of doing Iron Man.
[57:31] SPEAKER_00: I thought she'd be up there, she was in my top five for any sort of day of predictions that we may have made them, but I didn't have her on the podium, let alone winning.
[57:41] SPEAKER_00: I just think that was exceptional.
[57:44] SPEAKER_00: But then again, earlier on in the week in the pod, I said, Do you doubt someone who's Norwegian?
[57:48] SPEAKER_00: And I also said that we knew that they would do the preparations, especially for the heat and those conditions, exceptionally well.
[57:55] SPEAKER_00: You know she was in a lab, you know that she was getting those core temperatures down every single day.
[58:02] SPEAKER_00: Um well, paid off.
[58:03] SPEAKER_04: Or up.
[58:06] SPEAKER_00: Stop lowering the tone.
[58:08] SPEAKER_04: Jack's Instagram stories.
[58:10] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
[58:11] SPEAKER_00: Jack got a bit excited, didn't you?
[58:13] SPEAKER_02: I was pumped.
[58:13] SPEAKER_02: I love Solvig.
[58:14] SPEAKER_02: Like, I think she's just a fun athlete to watch.
[58:16] SPEAKER_02: And I know it might seem like it's pistaking, but it's like it's endearment.
[58:20] SPEAKER_02: Like, I just think I think what they're doing's awesome.
[58:22] SPEAKER_02: They're clearly ahead of the game in some way, aren't they?
[58:25] SPEAKER_02: Like, whether you want to, whatever you want to want to like put it down to, like Jan said, culture and carbs, you know, a lot of it's bullshit.
[58:32] SPEAKER_02: Whatever it is, the Norwegians know something that we don't.
[58:35] SPEAKER_02: They clearly do because they're winning, they're winning easily, they're on another planet to most people.
[58:40] SPEAKER_02: Like, sure, Kat got close, but I mean, look, this is a 26-year-old Solvig Lof set.
[58:46] SPEAKER_02: She's the third youngest in the field.
[58:47] SPEAKER_02: This isn't the best.
[58:48] SPEAKER_02: Like, we this isn't the best we're seeing of her.
[58:50] SPEAKER_02: Like I said during the week in the podcast, like, I don't know whether it'll be this one, but she's a future Iron Man World champion.
[58:56] SPEAKER_02: Turned out it was this one at 26, so she's probably going to be a five-time champion.
[59:00] SPEAKER_02: This might be the then the next generation coming through.
[59:03] SPEAKER_02: And like we talked about earlier in the in the podcasts as well, like she's not the only one.
[59:07] SPEAKER_02: There's more Norwegian no-name females that you haven't heard of that soon enough are going to be doing this same thing.
[59:13] SPEAKER_02: And same, same in the guys.
[59:14] SPEAKER_02: There's there is something in the special in the water over there in Norway.
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[1:00:32] SPEAKER_02: And speaking of uh the podcast earlier in the week, we did all make podium predictions and uh we came up with the Vicky Holland scoring method.
[1:00:40] SPEAKER_02: So, Vicky, did you want to remind everyone what the scoring method was?
[1:00:44] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
[1:00:44] SPEAKER_00: So if you pick the person on the podium in the right spot, you get two points.
[1:00:49] SPEAKER_00: And if you pick someone on the podium but not in the right spot, you get one point and you get nothing for anything else.
[1:00:55] SPEAKER_04: Good thing I picked Solvig to win.
[1:00:57] SPEAKER_00: It's funny because I'm not recalling that actually, Greg.
[1:01:01] SPEAKER_04: We've got receipts, Greg.
[1:01:03] SPEAKER_04: No, there's no receipts.
[1:01:04] SPEAKER_04: I know I said that.
[1:01:06] SPEAKER_02: Well, Greg, we've we're only bringing this up because you said on the last daily pod, I don't want to just do predictions and then we just forget about them.
[1:01:13] SPEAKER_02: I want us to come back to it on the debrief podcast and hold us accountable.
[1:01:18] SPEAKER_00: So I've forgotten you said that.
[1:01:19] SPEAKER_00: Well remembered, Jack.
[1:01:21] SPEAKER_00: I've forgotten you said that, Greg.
[1:01:22] SPEAKER_02: I stand by it.
[1:01:24] SPEAKER_02: We're gonna go through us one by one, and I'm gonna replay what we said uh for our predictions, and we'll see who won uh based on the Vicky Holland scoring system.
[1:01:32] SPEAKER_02: So Greg's predictions first.
[1:01:35] SPEAKER_04: I'm going third place, Lisa Perderer.
[1:01:37] SPEAKER_04: Second, I'm going Lucy Charles Barkley.
[1:01:40] SPEAKER_04: I'm picking our girl, T Nib, to take the victory.
[1:01:44] SPEAKER_02: So, Vicky, uh how many points for Greg?
[1:01:47] SPEAKER_00: Well, my mask tells me it was a big fat zero.
[1:01:50] SPEAKER_04: I thought it was halfway through the marathon we were predicting.
[1:01:53] SPEAKER_04: Damn it.
[1:01:54] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sorry, Greg.
[1:01:56] SPEAKER_00: It did look good for you at one point.
[1:01:58] SPEAKER_00: Um, but no.
[1:01:59] SPEAKER_00: Zero points, Greg.
[1:02:00] SPEAKER_00: Better luck next time.
[1:02:02] SPEAKER_03: Hoisted on your own patard, Greg.
[1:02:04] SPEAKER_03: Hoisted on your own patard.
[1:02:06] SPEAKER_03: I wanted to be held accountable.
[1:02:07] SPEAKER_04: I don't know why you think I didn't want to be.
[1:02:08] SPEAKER_04: I I we never talked about Lisa Padua, but shout out to her uh for fifth place.
[1:02:12] SPEAKER_04: I thought that was a good on debut.
[1:02:15] SPEAKER_02: Okay, we'll uh do my predictions next.
[1:02:17] SPEAKER_02: My final podium prediction is Solveg Lofseth to finish third.
[1:02:23] SPEAKER_02: In second place, Taylor Nibb, and in first place, Lucy Charles Barclay.
[1:02:28] SPEAKER_02: Well, if we were using Greg's system at the half marathon point, Vicky, I uh predicted the podium exactly, so I would have had perfect points.
[1:02:36] SPEAKER_00: It was looking incredibly, incredibly good for you at one point, Jack, but unfortunately you plummeted from a total of six points down to one.
[1:02:45] SPEAKER_02: In 21k, I went from six, the perfect score to one bloody point.
[1:02:51] SPEAKER_02: Okay.
[1:02:52] SPEAKER_02: Uh Apo, you're up next.
[1:02:54] SPEAKER_03: Third place, Taylor Nib.
[1:02:57] SPEAKER_03: Second, I've gone Laura Phillip.
[1:03:00] SPEAKER_03: And first place, I've gone Lucy Charles.
[1:03:04] SPEAKER_00: That's another one pointer.
[1:03:05] SPEAKER_00: Laura Phillip on the podium, but in the wrong place.
[1:03:08] SPEAKER_00: So that's another one pointer for you, Apo.
[1:03:11] SPEAKER_03: So close.
[1:03:11] SPEAKER_03: I should have said third for Laura.
[1:03:13] SPEAKER_03: I meant third.
[1:03:15] SPEAKER_04: We all meant a lot of things, Apo.
[1:03:18] SPEAKER_02: If you could do picks after the race, it'd be so easy.
[1:03:21] SPEAKER_02: It's so easy after the race to pick who wins.
[1:03:24] SPEAKER_02: Um, and now we'll finish it off with Vicky.
[1:03:26] SPEAKER_00: I've gone for third place Taylor Nib, second place Lucy Charles Barkley, and first place I've gone for Kat Matthews.
[1:03:36] SPEAKER_02: So, Vicky, how many points?
[1:03:38] SPEAKER_00: Just the one point for me as well.
[1:03:40] SPEAKER_00: And at one point in the race, it looked like I was getting zero.
[1:03:44] SPEAKER_00: So uh coming away with one was actually a bit of a result for me.
[1:03:47] SPEAKER_00: So, by my reckoning, that's a three-way tie between me, Apo, and yourself, Jack.
[1:03:53] SPEAKER_00: But I have been thinking about this, and I I feel like I've been very generous.
[1:03:58] SPEAKER_00: But I feel like we could award a winner in this situation.
[1:04:03] SPEAKER_00: And I feel like the winner should probably go to the person who did predict the overall winner on their podium.
[1:04:10] SPEAKER_00: And the only person who did that was Jack.
[1:04:13] SPEAKER_00: So I may face uh a bit of uproar from Greg and Apo here, but I feel like if we were put into a tie break situation, Jack would probably take the win.
[1:04:22] SPEAKER_04: Well, remember, Jack, he had a system, right?
[1:04:26] SPEAKER_04: And if he had actually not done that system, he would have won by a couple points, right?
[1:04:32] SPEAKER_04: He thought, oh, let me predict three, take two off.
[1:04:34] SPEAKER_04: If you just left your three gut instincts, you would have had loose, or you would have had Kat and uh Flora on the podium.
[1:04:40] SPEAKER_04: So anyway, fine, I'm okay with it.
[1:04:42] SPEAKER_04: I don't like it when Jack wins.
[1:04:44] SPEAKER_04: He usually rubs it in our faces a lot, but uh I'll I'll allow it for now.
[1:04:47] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I used the Kim Morehouse method of predicting triathlon races, and so this is taking you behind the curtain of what happens in a triathlon podcast edit.
[1:04:56] SPEAKER_02: So I fully explained my Kim Morehouse prediction, where I said, okay, my podium prediction for the race is Laura Phillip win, Kat Matthews second, and Solvig lost her third.
[1:05:09] SPEAKER_02: But the Kim Morehouse method is you have to remove two of them and add two extra.
[1:05:14] SPEAKER_02: And so I removed Laura and Kat and added in Lucy and Taylor.
[1:05:19] SPEAKER_02: And if I had have left it, I got the podium.
[1:05:22] SPEAKER_02: So the Kim Morehouse method has completely shafted me here.
[1:05:28] SPEAKER_00: So basically, we we called Jack out on it because he wanted to make two different podium predictions, and we said, Whoa, whoa, whoa, no, you can't do that.
[1:05:36] SPEAKER_00: You've got to just have one.
[1:05:37] SPEAKER_00: So we took out all that stuff that he said there.
[1:05:40] SPEAKER_00: That's why you guys never heard it.
[1:05:42] SPEAKER_00: But you should have stuck to your stuck to your gut instinct there, Jack.
[1:05:45] SPEAKER_02: I know.
[1:05:45] SPEAKER_02: Kim Morehouse, pretender.
[1:05:47] SPEAKER_03: Yep.
[1:05:48] SPEAKER_03: Kim, we want a formal apology in the comments.
[1:05:51] SPEAKER_03: Apologize to Jack.
[1:05:53] SPEAKER_02: And we've got it.
[1:05:54] SPEAKER_02: So if you need the receipts on this, Kim, I've clipped together me doing this, like predicting.
[1:06:00] SPEAKER_02: The exact podium in the wrong order, but the exact podium all the same.
[1:06:03] SPEAKER_02: So if you need proof before you apologize, I can send that to you.
[1:06:06] SPEAKER_02: But if you believe us, get in those Spotify comments, grovel, apologize, or else we might ban you from the the show.
[1:06:14] SPEAKER_02: We might ban your Spotify comments from ever being read out again because they were they were that was terrible, Kim.
[1:06:20] SPEAKER_02: Um no, shout out Kim.
[1:06:22] SPEAKER_02: I I still want.
[1:06:24] SPEAKER_02: We made some predictions, we made some bets that weren't just this throughout the week.
[1:06:28] SPEAKER_02: Um I mean I'll just play the audio.
[1:06:31] SPEAKER_02: I'm um I wasn't even gonna come on the podcast today, but here it is.
[1:06:35] SPEAKER_02: Apo.
[1:06:36] SPEAKER_02: Tattoo bet.
[1:06:37] SPEAKER_02: If Regan finishes inside the top 15, I'll get your name tattooed on me.
[1:06:43] SPEAKER_02: If she finishes outside the top 15, you get my name tattooed on you.
[1:06:49] SPEAKER_02: Take the bet.
[1:06:49] SPEAKER_02: If she's a contender, you're saying she can finish top five.
[1:06:52] SPEAKER_02: I'm giving you 10 extra places.
[1:06:54] SPEAKER_03: She'll easily be top 15.
[1:06:56] SPEAKER_02: Take the bet then.
[1:06:57] SPEAKER_03: Alright.
[1:06:58] SPEAKER_03: Bet.
[1:07:00] SPEAKER_03: And the final place was Regan Holyoke finished 13th.
[1:07:04] SPEAKER_03: Um, Jack, I want AP on one ass cheek and P O on the other ass cheek, please.
[1:07:11] SPEAKER_02: Just unbelievable.
[1:07:11] SPEAKER_03: And I want photographic evidence.
[1:07:14] SPEAKER_02: Just unbelievable what happened.
[1:07:16] SPEAKER_02: So okay, Regan finishes 13th.
[1:07:18] SPEAKER_02: She easily gets in the top 15.
[1:07:20] SPEAKER_02: Apo was trying to say during the week she could finish top five, by the way, which 13th isn't that close to five, Apo.
[1:07:25] SPEAKER_02: But what happened here was just crazy.
[1:07:27] SPEAKER_02: So Lucy and Taylor do something that we've never seen in the history of our lives, watching Cona and stumble and fall on the on the side of the road, which would have taken her to 15th.
[1:07:36] SPEAKER_02: India Lee had a complete blow-up as well, as did Marta Sanchez and um Jackie Herring.
[1:07:42] SPEAKER_02: There were so many people at one point.
[1:07:44] SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh, she's gonna finish 17th.
[1:07:46] SPEAKER_02: This is easy.
[1:07:46] SPEAKER_02: And then just through pure like attrition, running she had to she ran 324 and just completely outsurvived the other zombies on the run course to finish 13th.
[1:07:57] SPEAKER_02: It was both incredibly impressive by Regan and incredibly fucking annoying.
[1:08:03] SPEAKER_03: She did win, so shout out, because she did win Iron Man Malaysia um last year, which is arguably hotter than Kona.
[1:08:10] SPEAKER_03: So I knew she could get it done in the heat, and um yeah, it is it's a war of attrition out there.
[1:08:15] SPEAKER_04: Jack's calling out enemies of the show already.
[1:08:18] SPEAKER_04: He's a India League enemy of the show, all these women enemy of the show.
[1:08:24] SPEAKER_00: Well, you've just called half of the women's field zombies, which I'm not sure is entirely endearing, Jack.
[1:08:30] SPEAKER_00: They might struggle for guests in the future.
[1:08:32] SPEAKER_02: It is men as a compliment though.
[1:08:34] SPEAKER_03: Jack, while we're on the um the topic of apologies and um me being right, I think there's also another um another apology needed.
[1:08:46] SPEAKER_03: Is that am I remembering this correct?
[1:08:48] SPEAKER_02: I hate this podcast.
[1:08:49] SPEAKER_02: I just said I just say too much stupid shit on the daily podcast, because we do seven hours of podcasts in seven days, and I'm just like, what crazy shit can I say here to make this fun?
[1:08:58] SPEAKER_02: And it's just like you never think that there's actual consequences to the things you're saying.
[1:09:02] SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
[1:09:03] SPEAKER_02: Look, if you had have asked me last week to go to point out where Sweden was on a map, I've got no idea.
[1:09:10] SPEAKER_02: I know it's in Europe somewhere.
[1:09:11] SPEAKER_00: Well, we know what your geography is like, so not surprising.
[1:09:14] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I know it's in Europe, Vicky, which is not where England is.
[1:09:18] SPEAKER_02: I know England is not in Europe.
[1:09:19] SPEAKER_02: Apparently not.
[1:09:20] SPEAKER_02: It's um it's not near England, but it's somewhere near Russia, maybe somewhere in Europe.
[1:09:24] SPEAKER_02: And I didn't know much about Sweden, but I must admit I've gained a whole new respect for the great land of Sweden this week, particularly their leader, their prime minister, Sarah Spenx.
[1:09:36] SPEAKER_02: This lady, like, talk about attrition.
[1:09:39] SPEAKER_02: She ran the fourth fastest time of the day, and I barely knew who she was before this.
[1:09:44] SPEAKER_02: I knew who she was, but like I don't really consider her a massive contender.
[1:09:50] SPEAKER_02: And she's just finished eighth at Kona, like eighth at Kona.
[1:09:54] SPEAKER_02: Everyone in the world's there, and she finished eighth, and she was one of four women to break three hours, and she did it relatively easy 256.29.
[1:10:02] SPEAKER_02: At one point, I sent Apo a message and I said, Oh, how's Sarah going?
[1:10:06] SPEAKER_02: She's 45th in the race.
[1:10:07] SPEAKER_02: And I was saying it like arrogantly, like taking the piss out of Apo.
[1:10:11] SPEAKER_02: And then she finishes eighth.
[1:10:13] SPEAKER_02: She ran through almost the entire field to get up to eighth.
[1:10:17] SPEAKER_02: It was just insane.
[1:10:18] SPEAKER_02: She broke nine hours at Kona on a day like that, like super impressive.
[1:10:23] SPEAKER_02: One thing's for sure, I will never ever underestimate Sarah Spenx again or the great land of Sweden.
[1:10:29] SPEAKER_02: Huge, huge respect to both of them.
[1:10:31] SPEAKER_03: Shout out, Sarah.
[1:10:32] SPEAKER_00: Scandinavia in general, right?
[1:10:34] SPEAKER_00: Scandinavia had a day again.
[1:10:37] SPEAKER_00: We just can't ever rule them out.
[1:10:39] SPEAKER_02: And then probably the other one is that I only missed out by three kilometers having to run across America in my budgie smugglers because I made the call that if an American won Nice or Kona this year, I'd run from one side of America to the other in just my budgie smugglers.
[1:10:52] SPEAKER_02: And at 39 kilometers, Taylor Nib has two minutes to solve his loss, Seth.
[1:10:56] SPEAKER_02: And I'm thinking, holy fuck, I'm actually going to have to do this.
[1:11:01] SPEAKER_04: He didn't bring it up though until uh Taylor had dropped out.
[1:11:04] SPEAKER_04: He's probably it would have just faded into the background and Jack wouldn't have brought it up again.
[1:11:09] SPEAKER_03: Because I'd forgotten about that bit.
[1:11:11] SPEAKER_03: But I'm sure a loyal listener would have brought it up.
[1:11:13] SPEAKER_04: Someone had brought it up in the Spotify comments, so it would have he would have had to do it.
[1:11:17] SPEAKER_04: Jack, for all our sake, I'm glad it didn't happen.
[1:11:23] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'd actually, yeah, anyway.
[1:11:24] SPEAKER_02: I won't go into it, but I was committed to doing it.
[1:11:27] SPEAKER_02: Okay, I guess we go through the rest of the top ten.
[1:11:29] SPEAKER_02: So we've already talked about Solvig winning, Kat coming second, Laura third, Hannah Berry in fourth, Lisa Perdera in fifth.
[1:11:36] SPEAKER_02: Actually, we didn't touch on Hannah enough.
[1:11:37] SPEAKER_02: What do we make about Hannah Berry, you guys?
[1:11:39] SPEAKER_02: What about her fourth place?
[1:11:42] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[1:11:42] SPEAKER_02: What a year.
[1:11:43] SPEAKER_03: And I think we all said it, right?
[1:11:44] SPEAKER_03: Just quietly gets it done under the radar, not much fanfare.
[1:11:49] SPEAKER_03: Um, the camera barely showed her until she was coming into the finish.
[1:11:53] SPEAKER_03: And yeah, I mean, I think a great result and probably her best year ever, right?
[1:11:59] SPEAKER_03: Like a couple of top fives in T100, three top fives, I think, and now fourth at Kona.
[1:12:04] SPEAKER_03: Like, that's an amazing year.
[1:12:05] SPEAKER_03: Well done, Hannah.
[1:12:06] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally totally agree with you.
[1:12:08] SPEAKER_00: And I just really hope she gets the recognition she deserves for how good a performance that was.
[1:12:14] SPEAKER_00: And not just the Kona performance, the whole year, the whole season, as you said, was has been so far superb.
[1:12:21] SPEAKER_00: It's not done yet.
[1:12:22] SPEAKER_00: There's more races to come, but what she's done has been so consistent across so many different types of racing.
[1:12:29] SPEAKER_00: And to lay it down, still be racing all these different distances, and then come to Kona and absolutely nail it, I just think was exceptional.
[1:12:38] SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I really hope she gets her her just desserts at the end of it all.
[1:12:41] SPEAKER_02: Hanna Berry's not the best at anything, but she's very good at everything.
[1:12:45] SPEAKER_02: She was one of the few women who are competitive in this race who didn't swim in that that swim group six minutes behind.
[1:12:53] SPEAKER_02: So she was the highest finisher out of that kind of front uh swim group behind Lucy Charles Barclay.
[1:12:59] SPEAKER_02: Um she had the 12th fastest swim, but you know, she's swimming three, four minutes ahead of uh Laura, Kat, and Solvik who all beat her.
[1:13:05] SPEAKER_02: And then she has the eighth fastest bike.
[1:13:07] SPEAKER_02: Again, it's not it's not the fastest on the day, but it's it's one of the best still.
[1:13:11] SPEAKER_02: And then she has the sixth fastest run.
[1:13:13] SPEAKER_02: She just doesn't have a weakness, doesn't have a strength per se compared to some of the other ladies.
[1:13:18] SPEAKER_02: But when you don't have a weakness and you're that good across the board, it's not a surprise that you have a result like this, fourth place at Kona.
[1:13:25] SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know.
[1:13:26] SPEAKER_02: We we talked about it during the week.
[1:13:28] SPEAKER_02: I don't think any of us are surprised by this result from Hannah.
[1:13:30] SPEAKER_02: We all said that she's a contender, and we we said that based on who can finish in the top five.
[1:13:35] SPEAKER_02: So she's done that, she's finished in fourth, she's proved us right that she is a contender.
[1:13:40] SPEAKER_02: And I don't think she's slowing down either.
[1:13:42] SPEAKER_02: I think she's only getting better.
[1:13:44] SPEAKER_02: Her move to her new coach Ben Rezell was a stroke of genius.
[1:13:47] SPEAKER_02: She's gone from strength to strength since she moved to him.
[1:13:50] SPEAKER_02: And I don't think next year we're gonna see a fall off from Hannah Berry.
[1:13:53] SPEAKER_02: I think we'll see her take another step.
[1:13:55] SPEAKER_02: Um, Lisa Perda, we've touched on her a little bit.
[1:13:57] SPEAKER_02: She finished in fifth.
[1:13:58] SPEAKER_02: But any other words about her race from any of you?
[1:14:01] SPEAKER_03: Great race.
[1:14:02] SPEAKER_03: This is her first year out of the um short course circuit, I think.
[1:14:06] SPEAKER_03: So I think she's just gonna keep improving as well.
[1:14:09] SPEAKER_03: Um, I think she'll be a name that we'll be bringing up for the next few years at Kona.
[1:14:13] SPEAKER_02: She's not as young as you think, though, Lisa.
[1:14:15] SPEAKER_02: She's 33.
[1:14:16] SPEAKER_02: Um, so she's not like uh a young blood coming out of the short course uh system.
[1:14:20] SPEAKER_02: So it's not a surprise that she takes the step out of it and is straight away at this level.
[1:14:24] SPEAKER_02: I I must be honest, like, I don't know if she was as good as I thought she was going to be.
[1:14:29] SPEAKER_02: She finished fifth.
[1:14:30] SPEAKER_02: It's a great day.
[1:14:30] SPEAKER_02: She was one of the best athletes out there.
[1:14:32] SPEAKER_02: But I kind of thought she might go with Solvik Losseth when Solvik went on the bike.
[1:14:38] SPEAKER_02: I was a little surprised by that.
[1:14:39] SPEAKER_02: I wondered if maybe the the matches she had to burn catching up and chasing Laura Phillip when Laura was catching and chasing Marjolaine Pierre, which I honestly think was one of the more decisive moments in the race.
[1:14:50] SPEAKER_02: I think that killed Laura's race chasing Marjolaine Pierre.
[1:14:53] SPEAKER_02: And I actually think Kat got super lucky that that happened to her helmet because otherwise she would have had to have done the same thing.
[1:14:58] SPEAKER_02: Like I honestly think that helmet situation from Kat ended up helping her.
[1:15:02] SPEAKER_02: Um, in sixth place, Holly Lawrence.
[1:15:05] SPEAKER_02: So this is a good story uh coming back from the birth of her child, and we kind of thought maybe she wasn't racing race week because she showed up two days before the race, which who's ever?
[1:15:15] SPEAKER_02: I don't think anyone in the history of Cone has ever finished six after.
[1:15:18] SPEAKER_02: Andy Potts.
[1:15:19] SPEAKER_03: Oh, right.
[1:15:19] SPEAKER_03: Andy Potts used to do that.
[1:15:20] SPEAKER_03: He used to fly in on like Thursday, Thursday night and just do the because he was coming from Colorado Springs.
[1:15:25] SPEAKER_03: I think he was just trying to maximize the altitude.
[1:15:27] SPEAKER_03: So maybe Holly had a similar approach, just wanted to fly in late.
[1:15:31] SPEAKER_03: Um, but sixth place is great.
[1:15:33] SPEAKER_03: A year after giving birth, um, only her second Iron Man.
[1:15:36] SPEAKER_03: So yeah, shout out Holly.
[1:15:38] SPEAKER_00: We need to get her on and find out what her strategy was there.
[1:15:42] SPEAKER_00: What was what was the reasoning behind that decision?
[1:15:44] SPEAKER_00: Because it is unusual.
[1:15:46] SPEAKER_00: As you said, it's it's been done before, but not by many.
[1:15:48] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, really unusual decision.
[1:15:50] SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I was delighted to see it.
[1:15:52] SPEAKER_00: As it comes no surprise to anybody, but my heart's always with the mums who come back to racing.
[1:15:57] SPEAKER_00: I love seeing it, and and only her second Iron Man.
[1:16:01] SPEAKER_00: I think she was infinitely better in Kona than she was in Lake Placid just a few months ago.
[1:16:06] SPEAKER_00: And uh, you could see on her face, she was delighted when she crossed that finish line.
[1:16:09] SPEAKER_02: It was awesome though.
[1:16:10] SPEAKER_02: Like Holly's awesome, she's so fun, she's so bubbly, she's so vibrant.
[1:16:14] SPEAKER_02: She's like, she can kind of be negative and sarcastic sometimes, but she does it in like such a funny way.
[1:16:19] SPEAKER_02: Um, like everything she does is just happy and funny, and I think she's so great.
[1:16:23] SPEAKER_02: I'm such a fan.
[1:16:24] SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, sixth place, amazing.
[1:16:26] SPEAKER_02: And I expect bigger things from her next year, though.
[1:16:28] SPEAKER_02: I think I think that sixth isn't close to her potential, which is saying something because sixth at Kona is like a magical result.
[1:16:33] SPEAKER_02: Um, seventh, Jocelyn McCauley.
[1:16:35] SPEAKER_02: Uh Well done, Jack.
[1:16:39] SPEAKER_00: Round of applause.
[1:16:40] SPEAKER_00: Well then, team.
[1:16:41] SPEAKER_02: Yep, yeah.
[1:16:42] SPEAKER_02: So uh yeah, good day from Jocelyn.
[1:16:44] SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, got it.
[1:16:46] SPEAKER_02: She was one of the few who got a penalty on the bike, which I think was quite, quite uh interesting.
[1:16:51] SPEAKER_02: There was not many penalties.
[1:16:52] SPEAKER_02: Lucy got one, Jocelyn got one, but no one else really got one.
[1:16:55] SPEAKER_02: So she got a three-minute, she got a three-minute penalty for slotting in.
[1:16:59] SPEAKER_02: Um so she like bridged up to that Kat Matthews, Laura Phillip, Lisa Pertera group after Solvig Losteth had gone.
[1:17:05] SPEAKER_02: And um, so she closed a two-minute gap to that group, slots in behind it, and gets a penalty, which is uh crazy.
[1:17:12] SPEAKER_04: And Jack, you made that post, kind of posting about Jocelyn and you guys working together.
[1:17:16] SPEAKER_04: Jocelyn when she finished, she just kept running over the the line into her husband's arms.
[1:17:22] SPEAKER_04: Like she seemed like she was almost the most happy out of anyone.
[1:17:26] SPEAKER_04: So that was actually like really good to see as well, you know.
[1:17:29] SPEAKER_04: And obviously, you guys work together.
[1:17:30] SPEAKER_04: So congrats to both of you.
[1:17:32] SPEAKER_04: And like so awesome.
[1:17:33] SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm just like a massive Jocelyn fan now.
[1:17:36] SPEAKER_04: Like, oh, it's like she's it seemed like she never thought she'd be here again, and now she's here.
[1:17:40] SPEAKER_04: Doing it for the stars and stripes, baby.
[1:17:43] SPEAKER_04: Let's go.
[1:17:44] SPEAKER_02: Um, eighth place, Sarah Spenx.
[1:17:46] SPEAKER_02: We've already talked about her, so we probably don't need to touch on her again.
[1:17:49] SPEAKER_02: Finishing in ninth, Leone Gonzala.
[1:17:52] SPEAKER_02: Uh I want an honest answer.
[1:17:55] SPEAKER_02: How many of you had heard about Leone before the weekend?
[1:17:58] SPEAKER_03: I I don't know.
[1:18:00] SPEAKER_03: I've had zero knowledge of that name.
[1:18:03] SPEAKER_03: Same.
[1:18:03] SPEAKER_00: No, not unless I was looking at the start list, and so I went and just looked at her profile to just see what what her strengths and weaknesses were, and that's all I knew.
[1:18:13] SPEAKER_04: I'll say one thing.
[1:18:14] SPEAKER_04: Her and Sarah, 105 swims 16 minutes back of Lucy.
[1:18:20] SPEAKER_04: I mean, we kind of touched on it, it's the new era.
[1:18:23] SPEAKER_04: You can't perform if you're that far back.
[1:18:25] SPEAKER_04: But Kona shows us that it is a war of attrition, and these women were both 15 minutes behind in the swim and ended up in the top 10.
[1:18:32] SPEAKER_02: Remember when we were doing the country rankings and I said, I have no idea who it will be, but one of these German women that we've never heard of will have a big result and we'll be like, who is that?
[1:18:42] SPEAKER_02: And it literally happened.
[1:18:43] SPEAKER_02: It's just this was what Germany do.
[1:18:45] SPEAKER_02: They produce people who you've never heard of before, and you go, Oh well, I guess they're one of the best in the world now.
[1:18:49] SPEAKER_02: And then in 10th, just to wrap it up, Marlene Debor.
[1:18:52] SPEAKER_02: So uh she was in a battle with uh Regan Holyoke for a lot of the day, so I spent a lot of time looking at Marlene's name throughout the the tracker.
[1:19:00] SPEAKER_02: Uh probably a career result from Marlene.
[1:19:02] SPEAKER_02: Really, really impressive to round out the top 10.
[1:19:06] SPEAKER_02: I personally think that all triathletes or endurance athletes in general should be taking creatine daily.
[1:19:12] SPEAKER_02: However, not all creatines are created equal, and in the case of Pillar Performance's creatine monohydrate, it features single origin creepure made in Germany, which is the purest form of creatine monohydrate available on the market.
[1:19:24] SPEAKER_02: And unlike most brands, it's informed sports certified.
[1:19:28] SPEAKER_02: So, as a triathlete, why should you be taking creatine daily?
[1:19:32] SPEAKER_02: Well, firstly, energy production.
[1:19:35] SPEAKER_02: Creatine helps replenish ATP, which is the body's primary energy source.
[1:19:39] SPEAKER_02: This means higher anaerobic capacity and better overall athletic performance.
[1:19:44] SPEAKER_02: Enhanced recovery is the second thing.
[1:19:46] SPEAKER_02: Creatine reduces muscle damage and inflammation while promoting faster glycogen replenishment.
[1:19:52] SPEAKER_02: This leads to quicker recovery between training sessions and races.
[1:19:55] SPEAKER_02: It's it's probably, in my opinion, the main reason why you should use it.
[1:19:59] SPEAKER_02: Just the in hugely enhanced recovery that that it leads to.
[1:20:03] SPEAKER_02: And then thirdly, is the cognitive benefits.
[1:20:06] SPEAKER_02: Creatine supports brain function, reducing mental fatigue and improve improving focus throughout endurance events, but also just day-to-day in your life.
[1:20:14] SPEAKER_02: If you're trying to get up early and train and then go to work and then um look after your family and spend quality time with the people you care about, maybe even train a second time.
[1:20:22] SPEAKER_02: I mean, you just need to have the cognitive ability to do so.
[1:20:26] SPEAKER_02: And creatine definitely helps that.
[1:20:27] SPEAKER_02: So if you would like to try some creatine monohydrate for yourself, which I highly recommend you do, then head to pillarperformance.shop or for North American listeners, listeners, head to thefeed.com and enter the code TTH for 15% off all first purchases.
[1:20:42] SPEAKER_02: That's code TTH for 15% off all first purchases.
[1:20:47] SPEAKER_00: So changing tack a little bit here, we had some new additions to the commentary and to the broadcast team.
[1:20:55] SPEAKER_00: And one of those, of course, was Fanella, someone that I know relatively well.
[1:21:00] SPEAKER_00: I used to train a little bit with Fanella when I lived in Bath.
[1:21:03] SPEAKER_00: And yes, she's a personality I know.
[1:21:05] SPEAKER_00: And I think what she did really well was show that that personality and the fact that she's very knowledgeable in terms of knowing the athletes as people and that she's got that connection with them.
[1:21:18] SPEAKER_00: I think it showed that she was new.
[1:21:20] SPEAKER_00: I think that that was relatively obvious on the broadcast.
[1:21:24] SPEAKER_00: And I'm absolutely not going to stand here and slate other broadcasters because that's not cool and that's not what I'm about.
[1:21:31] SPEAKER_00: Um, but what I want to ask the panel here, if you like, is how do we feel about cheering on athletes while you're reporting on what you're watching?
[1:21:41] SPEAKER_00: Because for me, that didn't quite gel right.
[1:21:45] SPEAKER_00: Um, but am I just being too stick too much of a stickler?
[1:21:48] SPEAKER_00: So come at me.
[1:21:49] SPEAKER_04: Well, to your to your question, Vicky, no, you can't do that.
[1:21:53] SPEAKER_04: And like a one-off cheer, like, hey, go, but every time someone goes by and she was like kind of shouting it, and I was like, all right, like that's you it seemed like someone would have relayed some information, say, hey, let's you know, if you want to cheer someone on when you're passing on the motorbike, but when you're actually on the mic expecting to be talking, it seemed like there was a like you said, maybe just a bit of disconnect there, and it just didn't seem like it was like the best way to go about it.
[1:22:17] SPEAKER_04: But as we can just hop on the fence and say, but it's a hard job, you know.
[1:22:21] SPEAKER_04: I I don't, you know.
[1:22:23] SPEAKER_04: And it is, and it is.
[1:22:25] SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
[1:22:26] SPEAKER_02: I I mean the broadcast as a whole, we could talk about the Iron Man broadcast all day.
[1:22:29] SPEAKER_02: It's all everyone talks about after these things.
[1:22:31] SPEAKER_02: It's still lackluster.
[1:22:33] SPEAKER_02: I mean, all triathon broadcasting is still lackluster.
[1:22:35] SPEAKER_02: The T100 have come in and done it better, but like let's be real, it's still lackluster.
[1:22:39] SPEAKER_02: Triathon is covered in a lackluster way.
[1:22:42] SPEAKER_02: There's not enough money in it.
[1:22:43] SPEAKER_02: You go to the T100, they have two cameras.
[1:22:45] SPEAKER_02: That's it.
[1:22:46] SPEAKER_02: They had a quad box that's four screens, and they could only fill it with two sets of images because they only had two cameras, and this is this is the best we've got in our sport.
[1:22:55] SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, no, it of course it's not perfect.
[1:22:58] SPEAKER_02: Like, there's lots of things, like the the commentary's just going and then out of nowhere, an ad pops up over the commentary.
[1:23:03] SPEAKER_02: Like, there's no like, oh, we'll throw it on ad.
[1:23:05] SPEAKER_02: It just pops up out of nowhere, and you know, like finella screaming and cheering.
[1:23:09] SPEAKER_02: Like, it's not perfect, it's clunky, it's not what you'd see if you're watching F1, but like, I mean, it's triathlon.
[1:23:15] SPEAKER_02: Like, I was watching Fanella yelling and supporting, I'm like, yeah, of course, that's just triathlon.
[1:23:19] SPEAKER_02: She's just like an athlete who they've said, here, here's a mic, jump on a motorbike, and she's like seeing athletes racing.
[1:23:24] SPEAKER_02: She's like, Woo, go, go, Hannah.
[1:23:26] SPEAKER_02: Like, of course that's gonna be.
[1:23:27] SPEAKER_02: Cheering on her mates.
[1:23:28] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
[1:23:28] SPEAKER_00: So cheering on her mates, but with a microphone in hand.
[1:23:31] SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not angry about it.
[1:23:32] SPEAKER_02: I didn't make me go, geez, Fanella's shit at this.
[1:23:34] SPEAKER_02: It just made me think, like, yeah, of course.
[1:23:35] SPEAKER_02: Like, what else is gonna happen?
[1:23:37] SPEAKER_02: She's not a professional broadcaster, she's a current day athlete out there at Kona watching one of the greatest races ever, probably pumped like crazy.
[1:23:45] SPEAKER_02: Like, of course, she's she's not gonna be thinking straight, she's just gonna be thinking this is awesome.
[1:23:49] SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, like I think if Iron Man want to take it more seriously than they could, but they clearly don't want to, do they?
[1:23:55] SPEAKER_02: Like, they do this is just what Iron Man do.
[1:23:57] SPEAKER_02: So, like, what are we gonna do?
[1:23:58] SPEAKER_02: Talk about how it's not perfect again for the you know sixth year in a row or whatever it is now.
[1:24:03] SPEAKER_02: It's kind of wasted breath.
[1:24:05] SPEAKER_02: But um it would be nice to see Iron Man go.
[1:24:07] SPEAKER_02: Maybe we try and do one that's like awesome.
[1:24:09] SPEAKER_03: Was it just me?
[1:24:10] SPEAKER_03: But I was watching on Outside TV, and every time they came back from an ad break, there was just like a minute of silence every single ad break.
[1:24:18] SPEAKER_03: And I don't know if that was just me or if you guys experienced that.
[1:24:21] SPEAKER_03: I know Jack probab and Vicky probably didn't because you were watching it.
[1:24:24] SPEAKER_03: Not on outside, but I was just every time that came back from ads, I was like checking my TV settings to see if like something was wrong every single ad break.
[1:24:34] SPEAKER_04: No, it happened to me too.
[1:24:35] SPEAKER_04: But actually, we were watching YouTube and then it just cut out in the middle in the US, and they realized, oh, we can't be showing this to the US people, and they just cut out the YouTube stream halfway through, and then they're like, you couldn't watch it anymore.
[1:24:47] SPEAKER_04: Um, I thought it was kind of nice though, that little minute silence personally, but I enjoyed it.
[1:24:52] SPEAKER_03: You didn't want to hear Welshie's dulcid tones, Greg?
[1:24:55] SPEAKER_03: Just with a smooth on.
[1:24:57] SPEAKER_03: Just a hint.
[1:24:58] SPEAKER_02: If you are watching Iron Man events in America on outside TV, NordVPN, T T H, just go and get it.
[1:25:06] SPEAKER_02: Like you don't have to watch that on outside TV.
[1:25:09] SPEAKER_02: You it cuts heaps of ads.
[1:25:10] SPEAKER_02: Like you can just watch uh uh the same product with less ads on YouTube for free.
[1:25:14] SPEAKER_02: So go and do that.
[1:25:15] SPEAKER_02: Um, Vicky, you sent me a message, and I said, I'm bringing this up on the podcast.
[1:25:21] SPEAKER_02: Talk about the topic that you said we have to talk about on the podcast.
[1:25:26] SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I might regret this now, but the day before the race, there comes a post from Stephanie Clutterbuck about her latest sponsor.
[1:25:38] SPEAKER_00: And at first I thought it was a joke, and then I read a bit more, and I went, nope, this is for real.
[1:25:44] SPEAKER_00: And then I saw that they're actually printed on her suit, and she's announced that she is the latest athlete to be sponsored by OnlyFans.
[1:25:53] SPEAKER_00: Now, I've never been on OnlyFans, but my interpretation of what OnlyFans is, is that it's quite X-rated.
[1:26:04] SPEAKER_00: Now, am I wrong about this?
[1:26:06] SPEAKER_00: Or is that what OnlyFans is?
[1:26:09] SPEAKER_00: And how does that mesh with being a professional athlete?
[1:26:13] SPEAKER_00: Now, she said in the post she was a content creator a long time before she was a professional athlete, and also the feminist in me says, Yeah, go on, girl, like get your money, go and go and if they're gonna pay you the money, brilliant, absolutely, why shouldn't you?
[1:26:32] SPEAKER_00: But I don't know how this works.
[1:26:34] SPEAKER_00: Is this nude photos, semi-nude photos, posing on your bike with no hose on?
[1:26:42] SPEAKER_00: What are people into on OnlyFans?
[1:26:44] SPEAKER_00: I don't know, guys.
[1:26:45] SPEAKER_00: Can someone help me out here?
[1:26:47] SPEAKER_04: Well, I'll chime in.
[1:26:48] SPEAKER_04: I'm uh well-versed.
[1:26:49] SPEAKER_04: No, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding.
[1:26:52] SPEAKER_04: I think OnlyFans is branded as kind of X-rated, and then does their want to expand to creators who are just creating, right?
[1:27:02] SPEAKER_04: And they're not creating X-rated content.
[1:27:04] SPEAKER_04: It's just kind of normal run-of-the-day, like, oh, I have a cooking channel.
[1:27:07] SPEAKER_04: It's on OnlyFans, it's not on YouTube, right?
[1:27:09] SPEAKER_04: So I think that's where OnlyFans is headed as a company.
[1:27:13] SPEAKER_04: And I think getting athletes, you know, there's been some trailrunners, this isn't the first athlete I've seen go this route.
[1:27:18] SPEAKER_04: Now, Apple brought up a point, it's like, well, isn't this going to be the same content that you would see on like a YouTube or an Instagram?
[1:27:24] SPEAKER_04: And I think largely yes.
[1:27:26] SPEAKER_04: So I'm not exactly sure how it will really like pencil out.
[1:27:30] SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, but uh maybe there's a sneaky little something in there once once in a while.
[1:27:35] SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
[1:27:36] SPEAKER_00: But uh you'll have to subscribe and find out.
[1:27:42] SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna stop talking now.
[1:27:44] SPEAKER_03: I think you'd have to be delivering a product pretty like something new or really interesting to get people to subscribe and pay for it, right?
[1:27:54] SPEAKER_03: I think there's a lot of free content in there.
[1:28:00] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:28:00] SPEAKER_00: Look, let's be honest here.
[1:28:02] SPEAKER_02: Let's be honest here.
[1:28:03] SPEAKER_02: Being good looking is one of life's great hacks.
[1:28:07] SPEAKER_02: If you're hot, life's easy.
[1:28:09] SPEAKER_02: And Steph Clutterbuck, she's like awfully blessed in this area.
[1:28:13] SPEAKER_02: So it's a natural fit that she goes and does OnlyFans.
[1:28:16] SPEAKER_02: I have a question for you guys because look, she's obviously going to do G-rated content, maybe at most MA15.
[1:28:22] SPEAKER_02: She's not freeing the nipple, she's not getting on her bike naked.
[1:28:24] SPEAKER_02: Like, well, at least not yet.
[1:28:27] SPEAKER_02: She's still, I think she's still going to do pretty classy content and go down the path that you guys have been talking about.
[1:28:32] SPEAKER_02: However, during the week, I did the Kona Rich List.
[1:28:36] SPEAKER_02: If Steph Clutterbuck for 12 months went down the free the nipple path on OnlyFans, does she enter Kona 2026 Race Week as number one on the Kona Rich List?
[1:28:50] SPEAKER_00: Probably.
[1:28:51] SPEAKER_00: Everything you see, I mean it's all clickbaity articles.
[1:28:54] SPEAKER_00: Everything you see is I earn 200 grand a month on OnlyFans and all this kind of stuff.
[1:29:00] SPEAKER_00: So I mean, I imagine you'd have to do some pretty extreme stuff to get that.
[1:29:03] SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I mean maybe I don't know, guys.
[1:29:10] SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I I if she's depends how far she's willing to go, I guess.
[1:29:15] SPEAKER_00: And that that was kind of my question to the group.
[1:29:17] SPEAKER_00: I don't know where this is headed.
[1:29:19] SPEAKER_04: Subscribe and find out, Vicky.
[1:29:23] SPEAKER_00: Hang on, so do I have to pay just so that I can bring information back to the team.
[1:29:28] SPEAKER_03: That's right.
[1:29:29] SPEAKER_03: You can invoice Jack.
[1:29:30] SPEAKER_00: Right.
[1:29:31] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there we go.
[1:29:33] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, add that, add that to the pay packet.
[1:29:36] SPEAKER_02: Uh okay, we'll move on from that.
[1:29:38] SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I agree.
[1:29:38] SPEAKER_02: Steph Clutterbuck, do your thing, get get paid.
[1:29:41] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go for it, girl.
[1:29:42] SPEAKER_02: We talked about Dan Lorang being under immense pressure leading into this race.
[1:29:46] SPEAKER_02: He's he's had a bad year before Kona.
[1:29:49] SPEAKER_02: Well, a relatively bad year by his incredibly lofty standards.
[1:29:52] SPEAKER_02: Fred Funk's had his worst year of his professional career to date.
[1:29:55] SPEAKER_02: Um, Kyle Smith had a quite a poor year.
[1:29:58] SPEAKER_02: Um, Justice Nieschlag, not that good either.
[1:30:02] SPEAKER_02: So it was it was all dependent on uh Lucy and Taylor having big days, and they both completely imploded and did the exact same thing.
[1:30:10] SPEAKER_02: So is this a coincidence or is this is this the new Dan Lorang method?
[1:30:15] SPEAKER_03: Fred Funk just coping strays on a women's corner roundup.
[1:30:21] SPEAKER_04: That's gonna be the title of the episode.
[1:30:23] SPEAKER_04: Fred Fogg, worst career in decades.
[1:30:27] unknown: Cop that, Fred.
[1:30:28] SPEAKER_03: It's hard, right?
[1:30:29] SPEAKER_03: And you touched on it, Jack and Jan did.
[1:30:31] SPEAKER_03: Momentum is hard to swing in both ways.
[1:30:34] SPEAKER_03: And I think um we touched on it.
[1:30:36] SPEAKER_03: Taylor hasn't had the best year.
[1:30:37] SPEAKER_03: I think her momentum hasn't been like it was last year.
[1:30:40] SPEAKER_03: Um Lucy did have momentum, right?
[1:30:44] SPEAKER_03: But only through the T100, and Iron Man and Cone is a completely different story.
[1:30:49] SPEAKER_03: I I mean, I think it's a bad year for Dan as a coach.
[1:30:54] SPEAKER_03: I don't I think it's too quick to write him off.
[1:30:57] SPEAKER_03: He's he's had way more way too many good years to have one bad year erase all that goodwill.
[1:31:03] SPEAKER_03: So I'm not writing him off just yet.
[1:31:05] SPEAKER_04: Well, I'd pose the question about Dan, and it seemed like he does a ton of stuff, right?
[1:31:11] SPEAKER_04: So maybe he has to look back at the end of the year and say, hey, maybe I need to narrow my focus again.
[1:31:15] SPEAKER_04: Or maybe not.
[1:31:16] SPEAKER_04: Maybe he goes to next year and does the same thing and they perform, right?
[1:31:19] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I'm sure he'll do some reflecting too.
[1:31:21] SPEAKER_04: And as we've seen, he's coached world champions.
[1:31:24] SPEAKER_04: He's gonna come back hungry for next year.
[1:31:27] SPEAKER_04: He's gonna want to do right by all his athletes who put their faith in him.
[1:31:30] SPEAKER_04: And you know, I I suspect a lot of these athletes will come back and perform well next year.
[1:31:34] SPEAKER_02: I reckon Dan Lorang is like 2026 Dan Lorang is motivated, Dan Lorang, who could be a problem.
[1:31:40] SPEAKER_02: And isn't it crazy that we say Apo, or or you say Taylor hasn't had the greatest of years, and she finishes second at Iron Man Texas, second at T100 San Francisco, wins T100 Vancouver, comes third at T100 London, and then is leading the Iron Man World Championships at Kona at the 39 kilometre point of the marathon.
[1:32:00] SPEAKER_02: That's her year, that's every race she's done, not the best year.
[1:32:04] SPEAKER_03: I think when you compare, like she won seven races, seven out of seven, she had a perfect record last year, and she's just such a great athlete that we hold her in high regard, right?
[1:32:15] SPEAKER_03: And every single race that she enters, she is one of, if not the favourite, and I think um yeah, it's been a great year, and 99.9% of athletes would take Taylor's year and um you know sail off into the sunset and retire.
[1:32:29] SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I just think it's Taylor's standard, she's so good, and she's just a race winner, right?
[1:32:35] SPEAKER_04: Classic Apo driving Taylor through the mud.
[1:32:39] SPEAKER_02: Apo, you got nibbed, mate.
[1:32:41] SPEAKER_02: Deal with it.
[1:32:43] SPEAKER_03: There's no shame in being nibbed.
[1:32:45] SPEAKER_02: A question without notice for all three of you.
[1:32:48] SPEAKER_02: We've just watched Kona 2025, one of the craziest races, uh, as you've heard about uh as we discussed this over the past hour and thirty minutes here.
[1:32:57] SPEAKER_02: What is your one takeaway from the race?
[1:33:01] SPEAKER_02: Only one.
[1:33:02] SPEAKER_02: What's the one takeaway from the race?
[1:33:04] SPEAKER_02: And we're gonna start with you, Greg.
[1:33:06] SPEAKER_04: Never underestimate the island.
[1:33:09] SPEAKER_00: Patience is a virtue.
[1:33:11] SPEAKER_03: I think just do your own thing, and that's gonna bring you to the finish line the fastest.
[1:33:18] SPEAKER_02: For me, it's ride crazy hard all year because Kona is now one on the bike.
[1:33:24] SPEAKER_02: I know it looks like it's one on the marathon, it's now lost on the marathon, but it's one on the bike.
[1:33:29] SPEAKER_02: If you're going to Kona in 2026, make sure you got bike legs.
[1:33:33] SPEAKER_02: Uh, and then our last thing to wrap up the show and wrap up our Kona Debrief podcast, our way too soon Kona 2026 winner prediction.
[1:33:41] SPEAKER_02: We did this for Nice, so we've all put it on the line for Nice, and we predicted our men's winner for Kona in 2026, and now it's time to do it for the women again.
[1:33:48] SPEAKER_02: So we'll go in reverse order.
[1:33:50] SPEAKER_02: I'll start us off.
[1:33:51] SPEAKER_02: Uh, obvious one in on my end, Taylor Nib wins Kona in 2026.
[1:33:56] SPEAKER_03: I agree, Taylor Nib wins next year.
[1:33:59] SPEAKER_00: It's getting boring now, but Taylor Nib is gonna win in 2026.
[1:34:03] SPEAKER_04: Katewa, baby.
[1:34:04] SPEAKER_04: Let's go.
[1:34:06] SPEAKER_04: Wow.
[1:34:07] SPEAKER_04: That is left of centre.
[1:34:09] SPEAKER_04: Just how I do it.
[1:34:10] SPEAKER_03: You've just turned your back on the great nation of the USA, Greg.
[1:34:13] SPEAKER_04: I'm a contrib, you know, I didn't want to Well, you guys turned your back on your entire countries by saying the US, so I just did the opposite of you guys.
[1:34:20] SPEAKER_04: Ambos did.
[1:34:21] SPEAKER_00: Well, I hate to break it to you, but I think Kate might have uh Kate might have other designs next year that relate to her, you know, getting back into the LA Olympics.
[1:34:31] SPEAKER_00: I'm not convinced that Kona's on her schedule next year.
[1:34:34] SPEAKER_00: But hey, she hasn't she hasn't said that to me.
[1:34:36] SPEAKER_00: I just that's what I think's happening.
[1:34:37] SPEAKER_02: Vicky, I'll make a bet right here, right now.
[1:34:40] SPEAKER_02: If Kate Waff races Kona, not wins, if she races Kona in 2026, I'll run across the UK.
[1:34:50] SPEAKER_02: I'll run from one side of the UK.
[1:34:51] SPEAKER_02: In Bungie Smugglers, yeah, we know.
[1:34:56] SPEAKER_02: But I'll go and run from one side of the UK to the other.
[1:34:58] SPEAKER_00: Can't wait to see it.
[1:35:00] SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's our Kona 2025 debrief podcast, done and dusted.
[1:35:05] SPEAKER_02: I hope we touched on it all.
[1:35:07] SPEAKER_02: If we didn't, if we missed someone that you're a fan of, apologies, but we really did try and cover just about everything.
[1:35:12] SPEAKER_02: Uh, Greg, Vicky, Apo, that was awesome.
[1:35:16] SPEAKER_02: Um, thank you so much, all three of you, for coming and doing the daily podcast.
[1:35:20] SPEAKER_02: They were so good.
[1:35:21] SPEAKER_02: They were the best podcasts we've done, those daily podcasts.
[1:35:23] SPEAKER_02: And hopefully, this debrief podcast gave all of you who listened to that a heap of kind of closure from the week.
[1:35:30] SPEAKER_02: I hope we helped you get excited and hyped for the race.
[1:35:33] SPEAKER_02: I hope it made watching the race funner.
[1:35:36] SPEAKER_02: Uh, and I hope it makes listening to this debrief podcast funner.
[1:35:40] SPEAKER_02: The only thing we've got left to ask from all of you who listened, um, and we asked after Nice, but if you loved the daily podcast that we did, uh, and if you love this debrief podcast and if you want more of it, something really simple you can do that helps us is head over to Spotify and give the podcast a rating.
[1:35:56] SPEAKER_02: Like go and go and click on the stars and and give us a five-star rating.
[1:35:59] SPEAKER_02: It really helps um it helps show the podcast to people who haven't listened and are just scrolling on their Spotify app.
[1:36:05] SPEAKER_02: So please go and do that.
[1:36:07] SPEAKER_02: And uh as always, we want to read your Spotify comments.
[1:36:10] SPEAKER_02: So we want to hear your opinions about the race, and we're gonna talk about it next week.
[1:36:14] SPEAKER_02: So we're kind of gonna do, we're not gonna do another podcast about Kona next week, but we want to read your Spotify comments from this episode next week and discuss them.
[1:36:23] SPEAKER_02: So we want to hear your questions from the race, your opinions on the race.
[1:36:27] SPEAKER_02: Like we want to hear some good opinions, some strong opinions about what happened out there on the race course in Kona, what you what you think.
[1:36:34] SPEAKER_02: We want to hear, we want to hear opinions that aren't sitting on the fence so that we have something to talk about that's quite, you know, fun for us.
[1:36:42] SPEAKER_02: Um any questions you have of us, any piss taking you want to do of Greg, please go for it.
[1:36:46] SPEAKER_02: He's bald.
[1:36:47] SPEAKER_02: Just you know, maybe start there.
[1:36:49] SPEAKER_02: Uh so yeah, head over to the Spotify, um, comment on this episode, and we'll we'll read out uh lots and lots of comments from um from this episode on next week's podcast.
[1:36:58] SPEAKER_02: Uh so once again, Greg, Vicky, Apo, that was awesome.
[1:37:02] SPEAKER_02: Um, great week done and dusted.
[1:37:04] SPEAKER_02: Let's do it all again next week.
[1:37:05] SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Jack.
[1:37:06] SPEAKER_04: Bye.

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