# T100 London + Triathlon Dating Advice!!!

An episode of [The Triathlon Hour](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1595443343), 7 Aug 2025, 1 h 00 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2640942/episodes/19698042-t100-london-triathlon-dating-advice.mp3

The weekly show is back and this week we start with a T100 London breakdown, conduct a S.W.O.T analysis for the T100, answer a whole bunch of important training & racing questions, talk about dating as triathletes and the first ever edition of The Triathlon Hour Court takes place. Lever: Use the code TTH for 20% off your Lever system Lever

## Transcript

[0:19] SPEAKER_03: Welcome back to another episode of the Triathon Hour.
[0:22] SPEAKER_03: As always, Greg Harper, 11th place finisher at Iron Man 70.3, Michigan in 2023.
[0:29] SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Jack.
[0:30] SPEAKER_01: That's uh probably my best performance.
[0:32] SPEAKER_03: Fourth place finisher at the 2017 Iron Man World Championship, 70.3 that is, Sam Appleton.
[0:38] SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Jack.
[0:38] SPEAKER_00: That is actually probably one of my best results.
[0:41] SPEAKER_03: And he's here again, the most opinionated man in triathlon, Ari Claut, fifth place finisher this year at Ironman 70.3 Chattanooga.
[0:48] SPEAKER_02: Wow, I thought you were gonna give me like a 29th place at the 70.3 World Championships and the sixth fastest run.
[0:54] SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, happy to be back.
[0:55] SPEAKER_02: Happy to be back on the pod.
[0:57] SPEAKER_03: Kick us off, Ari.
[0:58] SPEAKER_03: Let's get this show rolling.
[0:59] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it is race week again for the T100, and for all of our shitting on the T100, and it's not exciting, and they need to pivot back to the old format.
[1:10] SPEAKER_02: I find myself getting a little bit excited when I see the start list, especially on the women's side.
[1:15] SPEAKER_02: It's low-key stacked.
[1:18] SPEAKER_02: So my first sort of talking point is this is the return of Hayden Wilde.
[1:23] SPEAKER_02: He dominated everyone in one of the largest winning margins ever in a T100 in Singapore.
[1:30] SPEAKER_02: And then he uh hit hit a car, got hit by a car, I forget which, uh, really, really bad bike crash.
[1:38] SPEAKER_02: And now he's back.
[1:39] SPEAKER_02: Uh what is it, six, seven months later?
[1:43] SPEAKER_02: Something like that, or not that long, six months later.
[1:46] SPEAKER_02: So my question is will he annihilate or will he need to get a few races under his belt first?
[1:52] SPEAKER_02: I personally think he probably needs a few races under his belt.
[1:56] SPEAKER_02: But Jack, maybe you have more info.
[1:58] SPEAKER_02: Greg and Apple, maybe you guys have opinions.
[2:00] SPEAKER_02: I want to know.
[2:01] SPEAKER_02: Hayden Wilde, what do you guys think?
[2:03] SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm I'm never gonna say that Hayden can't win a race.
[2:06] SPEAKER_03: I think that if you look at the the physiology of Hayden Wilde in Singapore at the at the first stop on the T100 World Tour this year, he was a step above everyone and all of the big hitters were there.
[2:17] SPEAKER_03: I kind of think he he he didn't jog it in, but he pretty much jogged it in for the last five, six K of that run.
[2:24] SPEAKER_03: He he didn't have to go anywhere near the level of performance he was capable of, and he dominated.
[2:29] SPEAKER_03: And so even if he's five percent off, ten percent off what he was at Singapore, is he still not just the best athlete in the world?
[2:36] SPEAKER_00: I think you know, no one's gonna know until he races, but it does seem like a quick turnaround from a pretty severe like it wasn't just like oh he fell off his bike and you know scuffed his his shoulders or something.
[2:50] SPEAKER_00: Like he was he was going through it.
[2:52] SPEAKER_00: So I mean to me it seems like a quick turnaround.
[2:54] SPEAKER_00: When I saw that crash, I was thinking, oh, probably end of the year he might make it back for 70.3 worlds.
[3:00] SPEAKER_00: Um so this does seem quickly, but I mean I don't think he'd be lining up if he wasn't at least a little bit confident that he can race well.
[3:08] SPEAKER_00: I don't think we'll see Singapore level Hayden Wilde, but I do think that he's probably in with a good shot at a podium or a top five.
[3:17] SPEAKER_02: That's a really good point, Apo, is that uh he definitely qualifies for the injury clause.
[3:22] SPEAKER_02: So he's not just lining up to fulfill his T-100 contract.
[3:26] SPEAKER_02: That's a you know, he probably thinks he's in good shape and can win.
[3:30] SPEAKER_02: And even if even if maybe he he can definitely win, I was kind of wondering will he annihilate to the degree that he did at Singapore?
[3:38] SPEAKER_02: And uh Martin Van Riel's not here, but pretty much all of the other hitters are.
[3:42] SPEAKER_02: Uh Yellow Gean's uh way off at Singapore.
[3:45] SPEAKER_02: Could be a good battle there.
[3:48] SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't know, but I I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
[3:51] SPEAKER_01: I think the swim is the question mark too for me, because we know that's like his weakness per se.
[3:55] SPEAKER_01: I mean, usually at the long course level, he swims near the front, but he had like ribs and lung stuff.
[4:01] SPEAKER_01: Like he was probably out of the water for a bit.
[4:03] SPEAKER_01: So if he finds himself 90 seconds off the front, you know, it's like it would take such a superhuman performance, like get to the front and win the race and do what he normally does.
[4:11] SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of my question.
[4:13] SPEAKER_01: If he swims near the front, I think he'll feature, but if he's a little off the back, that kind of could just be like the the tone setter for the day, and maybe he just kind of comes in in that you know third to fifth range.
[4:22] SPEAKER_01: But you know the winner last year swim 90 seconds back from the front.
[4:25] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[4:26] SPEAKER_03: Sam Laidlow, the famous one where he didn't wear a wetsuit, caught back up straight away, rode 450 watts for about 45 minutes, dropped everyone, Magnus, Fred, all of them, then had one of the best runs of the day.
[4:36] SPEAKER_03: I think the question with Hayden Wilde here is who can beat him.
[4:40] SPEAKER_03: So Leo Bergier's coming back to race, Rico Bogan's there, Yalla Geans is there, uh Sam Long is there, we don't know how his swimming's going.
[4:49] SPEAKER_03: He's coached by Greg now, so hopefully a little bit better.
[4:52] SPEAKER_03: You've got Kyle Smith there, Mattis is back.
[4:55] SPEAKER_03: Like, I see those names and I go, they're all great.
[4:58] SPEAKER_03: Like Yeller, Yeller's the 70.3 world champion, Rico Bogan on his day is as good as anyone, and who knows what Leo Bergier can do, but I just keep coming back that if Hayden's here on this start list, he's the best athlete in this field, even if he's 5% off.
[5:11] SPEAKER_03: I just think he's that good.
[5:12] SPEAKER_03: I'm such a Hayden Wilde fan.
[5:14] SPEAKER_02: You don't think that Yellow, if they come off the bike together, I mean it ran two minutes into him at 70.3 worlds last year.
[5:22] SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was a bit of a blow-up.
[5:24] SPEAKER_02: I I do think the two athletes who can beat him are Yella Geans and Martin Van Reel.
[5:30] SPEAKER_02: Only one of the two are here.
[5:32] SPEAKER_02: So I don't know, but he does have to be on.
[5:34] SPEAKER_02: He definitely has to be on.
[5:36] SPEAKER_02: So that was the main talking point on the men's side.
[5:39] SPEAKER_02: I think that the women's side is honestly way more interesting.
[5:42] SPEAKER_02: And for me, it's because of the T100 debut of Georgia Taylor Brown.
[5:48] SPEAKER_02: And Greg, I want to actually throw it to you because you're such a big fan of uh the World Triathlon Championship Series, which you always call WCTS for some reason, improperly.
[5:59] SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know much about short course myself, but you're you're such a big fan.
[6:02] SPEAKER_02: I was wondering if you could tell us about uh, you know, Georgia Taylor Brown.
[6:06] SPEAKER_02: What are what are her chances like?
[6:07] SPEAKER_02: You know, what's her what's her swim, bike, and run like?
[6:10] SPEAKER_02: Can she win this race over the hitters?
[6:12] SPEAKER_02: Julie Duran, Taylor Nibb, Kate Waff, Lucy Charles Barkley's here.
[6:16] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I'm a big Georgia Taylor Brown fan because she's so she's super well-rounded.
[6:21] SPEAKER_01: Like she swims at the front and she like goes in bike breakaways, and she's obviously ran her way to a medal in the Olympics in 2021.
[6:28] SPEAKER_01: So it's all about the TT time.
[6:30] SPEAKER_01: I you know, if she won the race, I wouldn't be surprised.
[6:33] SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't bet on her winning the race, but I think she'll feature in I I yeah.
[6:39] SPEAKER_01: It's what is it?
[6:40] SPEAKER_01: WTCS?
[6:41] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, whatever, dude.
[6:42] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was it's just it's WTS.
[6:44] SPEAKER_01: That's what the loyalists know.
[6:45] SPEAKER_01: That's the Alistair Brownlee.
[6:47] SPEAKER_01: That's the heyday.
[6:47] SPEAKER_01: That's what it really is.
[6:48] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think she's gonna do super well.
[6:50] SPEAKER_01: And yeah, if she gets a top three or wins the race, I I wouldn't be surprised.
[6:55] SPEAKER_03: The women's field's stacked though, isn't it?
[6:56] SPEAKER_03: Like it's a really exciting race.
[6:58] SPEAKER_03: I I mean, I think there's multiple people who can win it.
[7:00] SPEAKER_03: Taylor Nib's here, so is she just going to win it?
[7:04] SPEAKER_03: Does she just do whatever she wants to do?
[7:05] SPEAKER_03: Or do you think that there could be an upset?
[7:08] SPEAKER_03: Like Kate Wof's there, it's her home race, Georgia Taylor Brown's there, like you said.
[7:12] SPEAKER_03: Who knows what Lucy Charles Barclay is going to do?
[7:14] SPEAKER_03: Like, do we expect her to be in a position to fight for the podium?
[7:17] SPEAKER_03: I think Holly Lawrence is really, really strong for a podium threat.
[7:21] SPEAKER_03: Hannah DeVett has been training the house down from what I've seen.
[7:25] SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, Ash Gentle's there.
[7:27] SPEAKER_03: How can we forget about Ash Gentle?
[7:29] SPEAKER_03: Lisa Perdera, Jessica Liamo.
[7:31] SPEAKER_03: This it's just a stacked women's race here.
[7:33] SPEAKER_02: I think it's especially stacked on the bike.
[7:35] SPEAKER_02: Uh, I think if you're not up to snuff on the bike, you're gonna be pretty much out of it.
[7:41] SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't think Ash Gentle's really gonna be able to run her way uh back up super far.
[7:48] SPEAKER_02: I I don't even know.
[7:50] SPEAKER_02: It's crazy to say, but I I feel like Lucy Charles Barkley is gonna get dropped on the bike.
[7:54] SPEAKER_02: I think the power there between uh Taylor Nibb, Jessica Learmonth, uh Lisa Perderer, uh, you know, I I don't know if GTB can hang in there.
[8:04] SPEAKER_02: Um again, it's the same thing.
[8:05] SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't be surprised if she does.
[8:06] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what's also interesting is that um Lucy will probably likely have a handful of women swimming with her as well, which you know we have seen people swim with Lucy before, but I re I would say there might be three or four that swim with Lucy this weekend, and um that'll create different bike dynamics as well, especially at the beginning.
[8:26] SPEAKER_00: Um and I think if you're just in that group that is a little bit down out of the water, that two to three minutes down, I think it could be, you know, almost game over for a lot of those girls that can't get back in the pack because people like Georgia Taylor Brown, Taylor Nib, um they're so strong, you know.
[8:43] SPEAKER_00: And I think that front pack swim is gonna be really pivotal.
[8:47] SPEAKER_03: I was thinking about this appo.
[8:49] SPEAKER_03: I reckon it will be the first time we've seen a serious group of hitters out of the water together because there's just not going to be the gaps.
[8:55] SPEAKER_03: Like, I think Taylor Nib will be there with Lucy.
[8:58] SPEAKER_03: I definitely think Jessica Liamont will be there.
[9:00] SPEAKER_03: She might even lead the swim instead of Lucy.
[9:02] SPEAKER_03: Like when Lucy comes out with people, generally we're used to it being someone like a Saraprez Salah or a Finala Langridge or a Bet Clark, and they just get dropped straight away on the bike.
[9:11] SPEAKER_03: And we see this dynamic form where it's Lucy out in front, then there's like a group 90 seconds behind, and then there's the chase group, and then Taylor gets up to Lucy and goes to the front, and it's kind of strung out.
[9:21] SPEAKER_03: But I do think that there's a chance we have five, six, seven, eight women close to, if not at the front of the race.
[9:28] SPEAKER_03: Like I think Holly Lawrence could definitely be there as well.
[9:30] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I just think this could be a really, really strong front bite group that makes it a little bit harder for defending champion Ash Gentle to come back and even other runners behind.
[9:40] SPEAKER_03: Like I think Indy Lee, for example, might not make that group and it might make her day pretty tough.
[9:45] SPEAKER_01: I think Julie Duran, too.
[9:46] SPEAKER_01: I mean, I she was there in SF, but we all kind of know what the that boat driver did to that race.
[9:52] SPEAKER_01: So uh I think I don't know if she'll make that front pack, and it could be tough for her to kind of get up there and you know compete for the win like she like she did in SF.
[10:02] SPEAKER_03: She did swim at the front of the race at Singapore though, but yeah, probably Singapore conditions.
[10:06] SPEAKER_03: It's not London, is it?
[10:07] SPEAKER_00: Is there gonna be a swim?
[10:09] SPEAKER_00: Rumblings of that.
[10:10] SPEAKER_00: Have you seen this this uh this red red algae uh hubbub?
[10:15] SPEAKER_03: You know how it goes, Apo, with the water quality being like a a threat during the race week.
[10:20] SPEAKER_03: It always just comes good on race day.
[10:22] SPEAKER_03: If it's got WTCS and T100 together, they're not going to let a test come out that's like, oh, sorry, we can't make this swim happen for all these participation um age groupers and the pro race.
[10:33] SPEAKER_03: Like the the water quality will just be fine on a test, either the day before the race or the morning of the race.
[10:38] SPEAKER_03: We all know that.
[10:39] SPEAKER_03: There's the swim's going ahead, isn't it?
[10:40] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't think the T100 will let it um let the swim be cancelled.
[10:44] SPEAKER_00: I think it will go ahead, but it is it's interesting to see this online discourse about this uh toxic levels of uh algae in the I know they're not swimming in the uh River Thames, but I know I think that water source is also contaminated as well.
[10:59] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, I don't know, you can make a big deal out of it and everyone gets up in arms about it, and then come race morning, everyone swims and it's like, what was the point of all that?
[11:07] SPEAKER_03: It seems to happen every time.
[11:08] SPEAKER_03: Um let's wrap up this T100 London chat by each picking just a winner, not a podium.
[11:13] SPEAKER_03: Uh Greg, let's start with you, men's and women's.
[11:16] SPEAKER_01: Um Sam Long, Taylor Nib.
[11:21] SPEAKER_00: Sam?
[11:22] SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go Rico Bogan and Georgia Taylor Brown.
[11:27] SPEAKER_02: Uh Ari?
[11:29] SPEAKER_02: Uh Taylor Nib, the Alleghenes.
[11:33] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm gonna go Hayden Wilde and Taylor Nib.
[11:36] SPEAKER_03: So none of us picking the same two winners.
[11:38] SPEAKER_03: That's that's pretty crazy.
[11:39] SPEAKER_03: Hey, boys, keeping it on the T100, because it's T100 race week, I thought it would be a little bit of a fun thing to do if we all did a SWOT analysis for the T100.
[11:49] SPEAKER_03: So for those of you who don't know what a SWOT analysis is, that's strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats.
[11:55] SPEAKER_03: And so what I thought we could do is each bring a strength, and then we'll all do that, and then we'll each each bring a weakness, all do that, etc.
[12:03] SPEAKER_03: etc.
[12:04] SPEAKER_03: Uh I I could start us off.
[12:05] SPEAKER_03: I reckon that's probably a good way.
[12:07] SPEAKER_03: So I think that the PTO's biggest strengths are that they have by far the best broadcast product in the sport.
[12:15] SPEAKER_03: I don't think there's a close second, and I still think that a lot of the world's best athletes want to do their races.
[12:22] SPEAKER_01: Very similar to my strengths.
[12:24] SPEAKER_01: I said strength of field, which is they just they get the best athletes, and maybe not all every single race.
[12:29] SPEAKER_01: There's always a few missing, but by and large, really strong athletes.
[12:33] SPEAKER_01: And also broadcasts.
[12:34] SPEAKER_01: That's that's a strength of mine.
[12:36] SPEAKER_01: I mean, when Jack's there, obviously it's the next level above, but when he's not there, it's still good.
[12:41] SPEAKER_00: I mean, I had broadcasts, but I thought uh somebody else would take that.
[12:45] SPEAKER_00: So I actually also wrote a second one.
[12:47] SPEAKER_00: Um I think it's the the financial investment.
[12:50] SPEAKER_00: I think that's a huge strength of theirs, the capital they've raised.
[12:53] SPEAKER_00: And I think you know, the contracts are quite lucrative for athletes, you know, just um athletes being contracted in and getting, you know, anywhere between 50 and 100 grand.
[13:05] SPEAKER_00: I don't know the exact numbers, but um I think that's very appealing to a lot of athletes to sign up to the series.
[13:11] SPEAKER_02: I also said broadcast and strength of field.
[13:14] SPEAKER_02: I mean that's that's the obvious one.
[13:16] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all pretty aligned.
[13:17] SPEAKER_03: Uh weakness.
[13:18] SPEAKER_03: So my my I think the biggest weakness of the T100 is that they prioritize the wrong people.
[13:25] SPEAKER_03: And I was thinking about this during the week.
[13:27] SPEAKER_03: Here's what I think is the priority list of what a sports organization, the people they need to prioritize.
[13:34] SPEAKER_03: So number one is the supporters, fans, and paying participants.
[13:38] SPEAKER_03: Number two is the athletes, and number three is literally any other stakeholder.
[13:43] SPEAKER_03: And I feel like the the T-100 maybe look after two and three more than they do one, and they maybe even at times look after three, which is other stakeholders more than they do two.
[13:54] SPEAKER_03: So I think they've maybe got the order around the wrong way a little bit.
[13:58] SPEAKER_03: And I wish the T-100 realized how low the bar for making triathlon participants and fans feel important and special is, and how big the opportunity is for them to turn that around.
[14:09] SPEAKER_03: The stuff like late race changes and not really giving reasons why, course changes and not being super transparent about what that is or why that is, not releasing details of the following season until really late because they don't have them organized.
[14:22] SPEAKER_03: But then instead of trying to explain what's going on and bringing the supporters and paying participants in, they just like ignore it and and build hype instead of being transparent.
[14:33] SPEAKER_03: And I just feel like paying participants and supporters and fans aren't stupid, and they don't want to be treated like they are stupid, they just deserve to know what's going on.
[14:42] SPEAKER_03: So I think that is the biggest weakness of the T100 right now.
[14:46] SPEAKER_01: I I like that one a lot.
[14:48] SPEAKER_01: Transparency goes a long way for like I mean, for me as well.
[14:51] SPEAKER_01: It's like just be up front.
[14:52] SPEAKER_01: We all can understand putting on an event is hard.
[14:55] SPEAKER_01: That's a good one, Jack.
[14:56] SPEAKER_01: I put boxing themselves in the corner with like their T100 brand.
[14:59] SPEAKER_01: Like I still think picking a 100k distance and just sticking by it no matter what and not adapting the distance slightly to like the course or you know whatever location they do.
[15:10] SPEAKER_01: I think they need to be like more dynamic with it because we see set distances and all these other races.
[15:15] SPEAKER_01: I think it would be more fun if the distances could change a little bit and just uh yeah, be more like dynamic and fun based on you know what the current or course or the hills or what whatever might be fun for the athletes and uh fans.
[15:30] SPEAKER_00: I had um same athletes racing every race kind of creates the same race scenarios and dynamics.
[15:37] SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I think there is you know exceptions to that rule, of course, but I think the 20 athlete limit might be a little bit small.
[15:46] SPEAKER_00: Like when you go to Iron Man Pro Series races, every race seems different, and um, there's different athletes vying for the win.
[15:52] SPEAKER_00: I feel like we're always talking about the same handful of men or women at each race, and I feel like it gets a little bit tiresome.
[16:00] SPEAKER_00: It's like remember when we were watching you know the ITU WTCS a few years ago, and every race would just won by Alistair Brownley, and it was almost boring because you just wanted um, you know, not boring, but you know what I mean?
[16:15] SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, you know, Alistair's in a bike breakaway and he's gonna run away with this.
[16:20] SPEAKER_00: So, you know, kind of similar to that, I think, is a bit of a weakness.
[16:24] SPEAKER_03: For those of you who aren't watching at home, we are on webcam, and Greg's just given Apple a massive double finger when he called that boring because Greg literally has the biggest crush on Alistair Brownlee of any human that's ever lived.
[16:35] SPEAKER_01: I love you, Alistair.
[16:38] SPEAKER_02: I I had similar to you, Apple.
[16:40] SPEAKER_02: I said the uh field size and fixed field size and season-long narrative isn't very exciting.
[16:47] SPEAKER_02: So uh I feel like the season-long narrative was meant to be the like the draw to the T-100.
[16:54] SPEAKER_02: And I yeah, I think it's kind of made everything feel uh a bit too uniform.
[16:59] SPEAKER_02: Each of the races have like kind of the same thing on the line, like there's no um consequence for you know T-100 London versus San Francisco versus Vancouver versus Singapore and all the other races.
[17:11] SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, there's just less hype for each individual race.
[17:15] SPEAKER_02: And yeah, we we've gone on and on about the 20-person field size and whether that needs to be expanded or not.
[17:22] SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's just the races themselves seem like they could be more exciting um when they used to be super exciting.
[17:29] SPEAKER_02: So that's what I think is the biggest weakness right now.
[17:31] SPEAKER_03: I believe that the the biggest uh opportunity for the T100 stems from what I believe their biggest weakness is.
[17:39] SPEAKER_03: I believe I think the CEO Sam Renouv has a huge opportunity to get on the front foot and change how CEOs operate in triathlon.
[17:49] SPEAKER_03: I'd love to see him put out a media scrum interview where the camera's just in front of him, like it could literally be an iPhone camera, and he just answers a whole heap of questions after each race.
[18:01] SPEAKER_03: So we have London this week.
[18:03] SPEAKER_03: I wish that after the race, Sam Renouf got in front of a camera and they put it out on the T100 Instagram, and it was just whether it was media outlets could send in a heap of questions and they just answered them.
[18:13] SPEAKER_03: So it could just be a T100 staff member, just ask him the questions and he just answers them, and it's like a 15-minute video, and he does that either before or after every race.
[18:22] SPEAKER_03: And then so he does that, you know, six, seven, eight, nine times a year, and then um he could also do it about other things, like give updates on things and uh uh like you know, for example, with this water quality issue.
[18:35] SPEAKER_03: Imagine if Sam Renof just got out and put an Instagram video out on the T100s page, like this is what's happening, this is exactly what's happening, no bullshit, no fakeness, just the truth.
[18:46] SPEAKER_03: And then everyone would feel so at ease and they'd be like, This is amazing.
[18:49] SPEAKER_03: Like, we've never had a CEO of one of our big organizations be this transparent and this public facing.
[18:55] SPEAKER_03: And I think that people don't care about perfection.
[18:59] SPEAKER_03: Like people just love being made to feel in the loop and prioritized and like they're important and like they matter.
[19:04] SPEAKER_03: And so he could just get on the front foot whenever there's something going on, you know, where when the race changes from Vegas to Wollingon.
[19:11] SPEAKER_03: Sam Renouf, get on the Instagram and explain why.
[19:14] SPEAKER_03: Look, here's why we were going to be at Lake Las Vegas, here was the complications.
[19:18] SPEAKER_03: Because we all know there were complications, like clearly, we just don't know what they are, and we're we're expected to just pretend that wasn't a thing.
[19:24] SPEAKER_03: Oh, but here's a new race, literally a 16-hour plane flight away.
[19:29] SPEAKER_03: Like that doesn't that doesn't come across well, but you can change that by just getting on the front foot and being transparent.
[19:35] SPEAKER_03: And then people go from being like, Well, that's kind of weird and unorganized and unprofessional, to being like, How good is Sam Renoof?
[19:41] SPEAKER_03: How good are the T100?
[19:42] SPEAKER_03: Like, they literally care about us, they want us to be in the loop, they don't want to treat us like we're stupid and just ignore that we're seeing all this stuff that seems like it's going really wrong and chaotically.
[19:53] SPEAKER_03: So I think for me, Sam Renouf and the and the T100, if they just get on the front foot, change their media strategy, be more transparent, that's just a huge opportunity for for them.
[20:04] SPEAKER_01: I like that one a lot too, Jack.
[20:06] SPEAKER_01: Um, my opportunity was, and it sends off my weakness too, which is like being dynamic and like evolving with people and the athletes.
[20:15] SPEAKER_01: Like, listen to the people and what they're talking about.
[20:18] SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, listen to what Jack has to say, listen to our podcast and think about what the fans want.
[20:22] SPEAKER_01: I think doing things like preams and stuff like that can be really fun and engaging.
[20:28] SPEAKER_01: For you know, we just watched the tour and we talked about like jerseys and stuff in triathlon.
[20:32] SPEAKER_01: I think doing prems, like fastest splits and and things for the announcers and the commentary to talk about, um, especially if you're doing a looped course and you can't show sweeping views of the Alps and talk about history and all the stuff that the tour does.
[20:45] SPEAKER_01: I think there needs to be more talking points in the race for the for the commentators and broadcast too to elevate it.
[20:51] SPEAKER_01: And I think kind of being you had mentioned it on a previous pot.
[20:56] SPEAKER_01: Be the fun place.
[20:57] SPEAKER_01: And I still think they have that opportunity because they're so they're so young in in this sport.
[21:02] SPEAKER_01: So be the fun place, bring in preams, do fun stuff that gets the fans excited, and I think that'll just kind of snowball and keep the dominoes rolling for a successful product down the line.
[21:12] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, mine kind of piggybacks off that a little bit.
[21:16] SPEAKER_00: Like they've undoubtedly got a great series and a good a good product.
[21:20] SPEAKER_00: I think the broadcast is great.
[21:22] SPEAKER_00: Um, it's professional, you know, it's on major broadcasting channels.
[21:27] SPEAKER_00: It seems like they definitely are lifting trifle on the sport, but I think there's definitely been some growing pains, and I think with refinement, you know, it can grow into something quite exciting.
[21:39] SPEAKER_00: And I think, like you said, preams mixing mixing up the dynamics of the race, maybe doing a race like the old Kitspule.
[21:47] SPEAKER_00: I know I feel like I'm going back to ITU all um all the time, but that Kitspule race was so exciting.
[21:52] SPEAKER_00: You know, we've seen the Tour de France put in gravel mountaintop finishes because it's exciting, they're evolving with the times, and I think I think that's an Opportunity for the T100, like instead of all these out and back, flat, fast courses, like yeah, San Fran's a little bit different.
[22:07] SPEAKER_00: But what about like a you know, I was riding today and I was like, what about come to Boulder, swim in Boulder Reservoir, ride up Left Hand Canyon up to you know 3,500 metres, and then do the run up at Brainard Lake, which is you know 3,500 meters above sea level or something.
[22:24] SPEAKER_00: You know, obviously that's you know it needs a little more refinement than that, but something different, you know, something that uh has more excitement, um, gives different athletes the ability to shine, um, show different athletes' strengths, and yeah, I think I think that would be really entertaining for the viewer.
[22:42] SPEAKER_03: Well, we saw Sam Renoof go to Alt Duez Trithlon during the week uh or last week Apo, so maybe they are looking at taking over that as one of their races in the in the not too distant future.
[22:53] SPEAKER_01: That would be wild.
[22:54] SPEAKER_01: Well, Kittsbull was up a mountain, by the way, and Alistair Brownley rode off the front and won and dominated that race.
[22:59] SPEAKER_01: And then you said it was exciting.
[23:01] SPEAKER_01: So I'm a little bit I don't know exactly what you what if you're contradicting yourself here, but just just for the record, it was the best race of all time and Alistair dominated.
[23:10] SPEAKER_00: That one was exciting.
[23:12] SPEAKER_00: But when I say Alistair win 10 in a row, I'm just like, oh, come on.
[23:17] SPEAKER_02: My big opportunity is the huge round of funding that the T100 just got, uh, which allows them to spice up the racing somehow.
[23:25] SPEAKER_02: So I mean I'm kind of just repeating what you three have said, but maybe we pivot to the old format or a different format, expand the field size, add preams, anything to uh use that money to make it fun and maybe maybe bring back like big prize money, you know, then now it's all contracts.
[23:43] SPEAKER_02: But I felt like the fact that there was a hundred K on the line and like a million total for each race was a huge point of of like watching the race, and you knew that whoever just uh who wins just got a massive paycheck, and I I thought that was cool.
[23:59] SPEAKER_02: So, but granted, they also announced the big round of funding and then announced that they were paying out last year's bonuses, so that's a bit sus.
[24:09] SPEAKER_02: I don't know what's going on.
[24:10] SPEAKER_02: Is it a Punzi scheme?
[24:11] SPEAKER_02: Is it a Punzi scheme?
[24:12] SPEAKER_03: You know, I think just pure coincidence, Apo.
[24:15] SPEAKER_03: Nothing to see here, I don't think.
[24:18] SPEAKER_03: Um all right, threats.
[24:20] SPEAKER_03: Okay, so my threat is twofold, but it's both by the big bad wolf Iron Man.
[24:26] SPEAKER_03: If Iron Man decide in 2026, hey, we no longer want to be the money hungry big corporate animal, we want to be the fun place, we want to be the transparent place, and we want to make a 10 out of 10 broadcast, everyone's in trouble.
[24:43] SPEAKER_03: Not just the T100, like Super Try, every everyone, everyone, WTCS.
[24:48] SPEAKER_03: If Iron Man decide we're gonna listen to you, like, say for example, if instead of Sam Renouf coming out and doing those press conferences and being public facing, if Scott DeRue came out and did that at races and put out Instagram videos of him being like, hey, here's what we're thinking, here's what what's happening, and everyone was like, Wow, Iron Man are the good guy now, Iron Man care about us, and then they started doing fun fun of races.
[25:10] SPEAKER_03: Maybe the they switched the the pro series up a bit and and make those broadcast products just 10 out of 10.
[25:17] SPEAKER_03: I think a lot of people are gonna watch Iron Man races and not T-100 races.
[25:21] SPEAKER_03: And so I think the T100 need to realize that maybe they don't have as many years as they think they do, because at any point Iron Man could make that switch.
[25:30] SPEAKER_03: So I think that's a big threat, and it's imperative that the T100 get on the front foot in 2026 and become the fun place that's for the people.
[25:39] SPEAKER_03: They can't they can't waste another year of not being fun and for the people.
[25:42] SPEAKER_01: Uh I like those a lot.
[25:44] SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, my threat, I think, was it's kind of what Ari talked about, and money is wrapped up in all this.
[25:50] SPEAKER_01: I think overspending, and I love how they treat the athletes well and they have contracts and all of this.
[25:56] SPEAKER_01: But I had a buddy who was at T100 San Francisco, and he said there was like this kind of lavish VIP area, and there was just no one in it.
[26:04] SPEAKER_01: So it's like I think they have to be smart about the way they use their money, and like you can't spend you can't spend extra to like make yourself seem more professional.
[26:13] SPEAKER_01: You got to spend money at the level you're at, right?
[26:15] SPEAKER_01: So be smart about the money.
[26:17] SPEAKER_01: And you know, yeah, like we said, maybe you cut back on contracts and you give bigger prize money, and there's you know, we go back to that old model too.
[26:24] SPEAKER_01: Um, so I think being smart and like just and not not spending for the sake of like, look at us, like we're professional, look at all these cool things, and like overhyping stuff, that's really maybe not um super important.
[26:37] SPEAKER_02: Uh on that though, I have to think that the like they wouldn't have spent much on that VIP uh area and that the contracts already like they cut back on the prize money, and the contracts are what they are.
[26:48] SPEAKER_02: I think for that reason.
[26:49] SPEAKER_02: Like if you think about like I don't I don't think the contracts each are like 150,000 US average.
[26:55] SPEAKER_02: I think they average less than that.
[26:57] SPEAKER_02: But if you you have 40 athletes on that, that's six million dollars over the year.
[27:02] SPEAKER_02: I think that's like half of what it takes to put on one of these races, right?
[27:06] SPEAKER_02: I think that's a relatively small I I do agree though.
[27:09] SPEAKER_02: I think uh it seems like they're a little bit behind on cash.
[27:13] SPEAKER_01: And it was just an example.
[27:14] SPEAKER_01: Like I have no idea.
[27:15] SPEAKER_01: And that might be ridiculous to bring in like, oh, some VIP area, but just like you don't want to turn into Grand Slam track.
[27:21] SPEAKER_01: Like you still need to be really smart about it.
[27:24] SPEAKER_01: And there's there's people that there's people working there that are much smarter than me with finances and stuff, but I think just not just making sure that's that's tight.
[27:34] SPEAKER_01: And I know they've cut back already and they want to have longevity, but I think uh you know, spending money in the right way, like you know, five bucks, five thousand for every fastest swim bike and run and every race might be a really good money well spent, right?
[27:46] SPEAKER_01: Even though that would be close to you know six hundred grand or something over the course of the year.
[27:51] SPEAKER_03: That's just Greg hoping you can get a T100 start and have a fastest swim and earn five grand.
[27:55] SPEAKER_03: I think Greg, the point is that people don't expect or care about perfection.
[28:00] SPEAKER_03: Like I said that before, it's really true.
[28:02] SPEAKER_03: They don't people don't care about this image and perception of things being perfect.
[28:07] SPEAKER_03: They actually that can actually turn people off because it's unrelatable and it makes them feel on the outside.
[28:12] SPEAKER_03: So I would go for fun and transparency over perfection.
[28:16] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree with all that.
[28:17] SPEAKER_00: My biggest threat was just the money drying up.
[28:20] SPEAKER_00: Um essentially like we've seen money is a big factor for a lot of athletes, but we've also seen people turn down probably quite large contracts to chase Kona.
[28:32] SPEAKER_00: Um so if that money dries up, I think uh yeah, I mean I feel like it's just the end of the T100 as we know it.
[28:41] SPEAKER_00: Um so you know, if these people that are investing in the T100, if they're you know, and I don't know the financials, I I know barely anything about money and investing and anything, but you know, I am an athlete that does enjoy money, and if the money's not there, then I think you'll see some athletes turning their back on the T100.
[28:59] SPEAKER_02: Okay, Mr.
[29:00] SPEAKER_02: Krabs.
[29:01] SPEAKER_02: Mr.
[29:02] SPEAKER_02: Krabs.
[29:04] SPEAKER_02: I enjoy money.
[29:05] SPEAKER_02: Is that a Spongebob reference?
[29:07] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
[29:08] SPEAKER_02: Mr.
[29:08] SPEAKER_02: Krabs, he loves money.
[29:09] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
[29:10] SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, who doesn't?
[29:12] SPEAKER_01: I I'll say one last thing.
[29:13] SPEAKER_01: It's and my dad always reminds me, he's been in the sport since the 80s.
[29:17] SPEAKER_01: Their series have come and gone, and Iron Man's the only one that stays, right?
[29:21] SPEAKER_01: Lifetime comes in with big money for a few years.
[29:23] SPEAKER_01: Like this has happened before, and this kind of like you know, five-year-ish timeline seems things fizzle out.
[29:30] SPEAKER_01: So it's a big moment for T100.
[29:32] SPEAKER_01: Can they can they pivot in a way that's super sustainable and fun and long term?
[29:36] SPEAKER_01: Or are they gonna fade into the background and then 10 years are gonna be like, oh, remember the T100?
[29:40] SPEAKER_01: Like that was that was kind of fun, and Iron Man's the only game in town, essentially.
[29:45] SPEAKER_02: Well, that's my threat as well.
[29:46] SPEAKER_02: Is I said the Iron Man Pro Series, but maybe I should expand it to just Iron Man in general.
[29:52] SPEAKER_02: And I I mean I do wonder if there's room for two large series at the top, and it seems like they're generally different enough with the Iron Man Pro Series prioritizing full distance and ultimately the world championships.
[30:07] SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, I I don't know if that's the case that they're that you know, can there only be one?
[30:13] SPEAKER_02: Uh and it's already seems like this year the Iron Man Pro Series is the more exciting and the more fun, the really spicy fields, uh, the great racing uh to be had this year.
[30:26] SPEAKER_02: And I I'm still uh excited to watch this weekend, but I do think that Iron Man with the creation of the Pro Series has been the biggest threat to the T100's uh longevity.
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[32:08] SPEAKER_01: All right, so that's T100 kind of done with our chat.
[32:11] SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll we'll move on.
[32:13] SPEAKER_01: And um the question that I brought to the table for the group is, and this is kind of uh on the back of the Joe Skipper Taylor nib pod that Jack put out last week, which was awesome, and I think everyone knew that knew that was going to be awesome.
[32:25] SPEAKER_01: Triathletes dating triathletes, is it always doomed to fail?
[32:30] SPEAKER_02: So so first thing I want to say on this, I listened to the podcast, and Taylor said, if I had done Iron Man Lake Placid, I would have passed him in the swim, which means I must have been swimming right.
[32:41] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe it's me.
[32:44] SPEAKER_02: No, I must have been swimming like right around him.
[32:47] SPEAKER_02: Like, cause I got passed by the lead females like right, like uh like pretty close to the end of the swim.
[32:53] SPEAKER_02: And honestly, my thought was like, oh, like I didn't get past, like, we're almost done.
[32:56] SPEAKER_02: Like, I must be doing kind of well.
[32:58] SPEAKER_02: Uh I wasn't.
[32:59] SPEAKER_02: But maybe it was the guy who's like, I was just swimming behind him the whole time, or we caught up to some random at the end.
[33:05] SPEAKER_02: I don't know who any of these guys are or where any of them are from, but I was on the sort of sparse end of the pro field.
[33:12] SPEAKER_02: So must have been the guy who said, Taylor Nib, you're holding my professional triathlon career back.
[33:19] SPEAKER_02: Was swimming somebody.
[33:20] SPEAKER_02: I could do it better without a swimming somewhere around me in one of the worst swims I've had in a long time.
[33:25] SPEAKER_03: So um Papo doesn't live that far from Taylor Nib, and he probably saw them, you know, at coffee dates, holding hands along the reservoir.
[33:33] SPEAKER_03: He could probably let fill us in on who it was.
[33:35] SPEAKER_00: I don't think um I actually have met this person.
[33:39] SPEAKER_00: I can't remember his name.
[33:40] SPEAKER_00: Um I did meet him, um, but I didn't it was just somebody that then whispered it in my ear as we were walking away.
[33:48] SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, that's Taylor Nibb's um ex-boyfriend or something.
[33:52] SPEAKER_00: So and yeah, we had a little laugh, but I mean, I think in answering your question, Greg, it depends.
[33:58] SPEAKER_00: Like triathletes are very type A, right?
[34:00] SPEAKER_00: And I know personally, I you know, my poor wife has to deal with me.
[34:05] SPEAKER_00: I don't think you know we would get along like a house on fire if we were both the same uh mentality that I have, and um yeah, I just don't think it would work.
[34:15] SPEAKER_00: But I'm sure there is some people that are less stressed or less uh you know, put less pressure on themselves to perform and uh and race and train like we do, and I think it can work.
[34:27] SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, there's obviously triflon couples that go to Kona and uh races together and they seem to have a great time.
[34:34] SPEAKER_00: But I think as professionals it's a little bit different, isn't it?
[34:36] SPEAKER_00: When you're trying to earn money and um yeah, it's your job, I think it's a little bit different.
[34:42] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, perhaps two professionals together would take a little bit more work.
[34:47] SPEAKER_03: So are we assuming that being a triathlete means you're a worse partner?
[34:51] SPEAKER_03: And that's just almost a non-negotiable because the the the insinuation in this question is that two triathletes can't date, it's doomed to fail.
[34:59] SPEAKER_03: And so, does that mean that you can have one in a relationship because a triathlete's unbearable, selfish, um, has low sex drive, probably gets really grumpy at their partner all the time because they're tired and carb-staffed?
[35:10] SPEAKER_03: And so if you have two people like that, then you're gonna end up with a couple that bicker, hate each other, don't have sex, and there's no love left in their relationship.
[35:18] SPEAKER_02: That's the stereotype, huh?
[35:20] SPEAKER_03: But is that the reality?
[35:22] SPEAKER_02: No.
[35:23] SPEAKER_02: Um I think I I think in professionals it's much m less likely to work, although we do have like power couples, just you know, Eric and Paula, uh Richard Murray, and uh Rachel Cl Rachel Claimer.
[35:36] SPEAKER_03: Ash gentle Josh Amberger.
[35:37] SPEAKER_02: Ash and yeah, Ash and James.
[35:40] SPEAKER_02: Oh, I mean, that's true.
[35:41] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we can do we're just like naming them off.
[35:43] SPEAKER_02: And these are these are like world-class couples.
[35:45] SPEAKER_02: Oh uh uh Laidlow and uh Milan Agnew.
[35:48] SPEAKER_02: I was watching his YouTube video and I was like, damn, that that would be crazy to like You have to be married though to count in my head.
[35:55] SPEAKER_01: Why?
[35:56] SPEAKER_01: Well, because it's like what you're like you're in your mid-20s and you're dating someone for a year and they're also a triathlete.
[36:01] SPEAKER_01: Like that has no that's like is it doomed to fail?
[36:04] SPEAKER_01: Like, can you be happy with another triathlete for 20 straight years and have a happy marriage?
[36:08] SPEAKER_01: Well, this is this is data.
[36:10] SPEAKER_02: It's data.
[36:10] SPEAKER_02: We can watch Sam Laidlow's YouTube and see how long she features in it.
[36:14] SPEAKER_00: I also I also think that there's in all those relationships we've mentioned, that's um you know, one kind of concedes to the other, right?
[36:23] SPEAKER_00: And you know, I'll leave it up to the audience to make those maybe not concedes, but you know, there's like No, that's a good no, it's a good point.
[36:30] SPEAKER_03: Don't be uh don't be afraid to say that.
[36:32] SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
[36:32] SPEAKER_03: Does it get to the point where one of them has to become the priority and the other person has to become the bag man?
[36:38] SPEAKER_00: That's what I mean.
[36:38] SPEAKER_00: And maybe not baggage handler, but you know, there's definitely in relationships in those examples, I think there's the yeah, the one that gets priority, the one that's um yeah, racing better, I think, takes the dominance.
[36:54] SPEAKER_00: Taylor gets relegated.
[36:55] SPEAKER_02: Saw that coming.
[36:58] SPEAKER_03: Like, seriously, he's cost himself big time though, hasn't he?
[37:01] SPEAKER_03: And like, yes, maybe he wants to go and be the best he can be, but as if being with Taylor isn't gonna make you better.
[37:07] SPEAKER_03: Like, probably Taylor could get Dan Lorang to coach her.
[37:09] SPEAKER_03: She'd be like, Dan, come on, he keeps he keeps like annoying me.
[37:12] SPEAKER_03: Can you just please coach him?
[37:13] SPEAKER_03: And then Taylor makes that much money, like she is rolling in it that she could pay for everything.
[37:18] SPEAKER_03: And then he doesn't have to work, he has no financial stress, he can just live off Taylor while he trains.
[37:22] SPEAKER_03: I feel like he's absolutely cost himself.
[37:25] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that that's you know, nothing in this life is free.
[37:29] SPEAKER_02: What is he doing to keep himself in that position?
[37:31] SPEAKER_02: You know?
[37:32] SPEAKER_03: Well, all he has to do is hold her hand, um, tell her she smells nice, you know, make dinner every now and then.
[37:37] SPEAKER_03: Like it's not, it does, it's not that hard.
[37:40] SPEAKER_01: I like I like Apo's point though, and I forget which pro I heard say this, but it's like it might have been Justin Metzler.
[37:47] SPEAKER_01: You know, him and Jeannie obviously are have been married.
[37:49] SPEAKER_01: It was almost like when one was doing well, the other wasn't.
[37:52] SPEAKER_01: And it was like, I'm not sure if he's the one who said it, but it's there's almost like there's only enough energy for like one person to do super well.
[37:59] SPEAKER_01: So I think if one person's really succeeding, the other person maybe is not like hitting home runs at the same type of time.
[38:04] SPEAKER_01: So it could be like a tough dynamic.
[38:06] SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of at the professional level.
[38:08] SPEAKER_01: I'm not quite sure at the age group level.
[38:10] SPEAKER_01: And I was kind of thinking about age groupers and pros in this question, and I don't think it's always doomed to fail, but um yeah.
[38:18] SPEAKER_01: Uh I think uh Matt Lieto had a famous quote once, and he said, like, oh, a good way to get slow is to train with your girlfriend all the time.
[38:25] SPEAKER_01: So um you know, be careful for uh training with your significant other.
[38:30] SPEAKER_02: We know Matt Lieto's triathlon analysis is world class, so sexist, Greg.
[38:36] SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, with the age group side of things, what is it that being a triathlete couple makes what is it about that that makes the relationship stronger?
[38:45] SPEAKER_03: So what are the strengths?
[38:46] SPEAKER_03: If two age groupers are at, let's say they're at Iron Man 70.3 Boise, they're both single and they catch each other's eyes on the run course, and then they cross the finish line and they start talking, they're eating a slice of watermelon each, and they find out, hey, we both are really obsessed triathletes, we're both single, we're attracted to each other.
[39:05] SPEAKER_03: From that point there to say six months into their relationship, 12 months into their relationship, what is the strengths of both being triathletes that could keep that relationship strong and healthy?
[39:15] SPEAKER_02: Spend a lot of time training together, presumably.
[39:18] SPEAKER_03: Right.
[39:18] SPEAKER_03: So someone who indulges your selfish um feat and hobby, you know, like someone who's not going to bring you down.
[39:25] SPEAKER_03: Because you know, like you have to train a lot as a triathlete.
[39:27] SPEAKER_03: So if you have a partner who's always nagging you and being like, come on, train less, we've got to go and spend time with our kids, or come on, train less, my mom invited us around for dinner, you know, those kind of things.
[39:36] SPEAKER_03: It's rather, you know, hey, we're both obsessed about this.
[39:39] SPEAKER_03: Let's go and help each other be better at this, and therefore they don't have that nagging voice in their head 24-7.
[39:45] SPEAKER_01: I mean, work ethic and I hopefully you can work on your relationship as much as you do and work in working in triathlon.
[39:52] SPEAKER_01: And the nagging part isn't interesting, and I'm no like wise, I don't know everything, right?
[39:57] SPEAKER_01: But I used to coach the college kids and they're into triathlon.
[40:00] SPEAKER_01: I said, if someone you're dating makes you feel guilty for exercise, that's a giant red flag, and it probably won't last down the line.
[40:09] SPEAKER_01: So um just be careful if you're dating someone out there who's trying to get you to train less all the time because uh in the long term, I don't think that's gonna end up working out.
[40:16] SPEAKER_01: And my dad told my mom when they were getting married, he said, I'm gonna exercise for three hours a day for the rest of my life.
[40:23] SPEAKER_01: And she said, Okay.
[40:24] SPEAKER_01: And that's a true story, and now he's 70 years old and he still pretty much does.
[40:28] SPEAKER_00: So three hours he trains more than me.
[40:31] SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, so you know, it's not it's not all the track workouts, you know, some more hiking and swimming these days, but uh yeah, he gets out there.
[40:37] SPEAKER_01: He's retired as well now.
[40:38] SPEAKER_01: So good for him.
[40:39] SPEAKER_03: All right, maybe moving on from that.
[40:41] SPEAKER_03: We're just not experts at relationships, are we?
[40:43] SPEAKER_03: Well, Apo's actually doing really well, so could have been nice to hear from you a little bit more there, Apo, given you're the only one who knows what they're talking about.
[40:50] SPEAKER_03: Umspired by Greg's one-word answer segment of contender or pretender, which we all love, but is just like getting us in trouble, left, right, and center.
[41:02] SPEAKER_03: I thought I might bring the same thing, but instead of contender or pretender, it's yes or no.
[41:08] SPEAKER_03: So all you guys have to do is answer yes or no to the following questions.
[41:14] SPEAKER_02: Uh-oh.
[41:14] SPEAKER_03: We'll go Greg Apo Ari, same order as the T 100.
[41:18] SPEAKER_03: Okay.
[41:19] SPEAKER_03: Sam Laylo is being 100% honest and barely trained for the first few months of the year, despite being pretty much the fittest human alive in July.
[41:30] SPEAKER_01: No.
[41:30] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[41:31] SPEAKER_01: No.
[41:32] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[41:34] SPEAKER_03: T 100 should go away from big cities for their races and instead use smaller cities like St.
[41:39] SPEAKER_03: George or Topar that have previously had massive Iron Man races or triathlons, and therefore a built-in local community that would come out and attend and spectate the races.
[41:51] SPEAKER_01: No.
[41:52] SPEAKER_01: No.
[41:53] SPEAKER_01: No.
[41:54] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[41:56] SPEAKER_03: Intensity is more important than volume in triathlon training.
[42:01] SPEAKER_00: No.
[42:02] SPEAKER_00: That's not a yes or no question.
[42:04] SPEAKER_00: But I'm gonna say no.
[42:05] SPEAKER_00: I if if you like under my head, if you had to pick one or the other, I'd do volume.
[42:11] SPEAKER_02: Just yes.
[42:12] SPEAKER_02: Yes, intensity over volume.
[42:14] SPEAKER_02: But not if you're doing like five hours a week.
[42:19] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[42:20] SPEAKER_03: Being properly hydrated on a day-to-day basis is the single most overlooked factor in feeling good in your training.
[42:28] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[42:29] SPEAKER_02: No.
[42:30] SPEAKER_02: No.
[42:31] SPEAKER_03: No, it's second for me.
[42:33] SPEAKER_03: Sleep number one.
[42:35] SPEAKER_03: If you could only race all year using one sized chain ring and you can't use a two-by, then a 60 tooth option is the best.
[42:45] SPEAKER_01: No.
[42:46] SPEAKER_01: No, yeah.
[42:48] SPEAKER_02: Okay, alright.
[42:49] SPEAKER_02: I mean, no, no.
[42:52] SPEAKER_03: No.
[42:52] SPEAKER_03: Not unless your magnus did live.
[42:54] SPEAKER_03: Putting socks on in T1 is better than T2, professional or age grouper, no matter the situation.
[43:01] SPEAKER_01: No.
[43:02] SPEAKER_01: No, no.
[43:04] SPEAKER_03: No.
[43:05] SPEAKER_03: Training camps away from your home base are overrated and largely unnecessary to perform at your best.
[43:14] SPEAKER_01: No.
[43:14] SPEAKER_01: No.
[43:15] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[43:16] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[43:18] SPEAKER_03: Using power in training and racing is overrated.
[43:22] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[43:23] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[43:24] SPEAKER_02: Soft yes.
[43:26] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[43:27] SPEAKER_03: Climbing solid to hard in your TT position locked in is the best cycling training method to ride well come race day.
[43:37] SPEAKER_01: No.
[43:38] SPEAKER_01: No.
[43:40] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[43:44] SPEAKER_03: No.
[43:46] SPEAKER_03: Tire choice is the most important equipment optimization choice for your bike on race day.
[43:52] SPEAKER_01: No.
[43:53] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[43:54] SPEAKER_01: No.
[43:55] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[43:57] SPEAKER_03: Going to the gym twice a week for 30 to 60.
[44:00] SPEAKER_03: Minutes is the optimal amount of time for your triathlon training program.
[44:04] SPEAKER_01: No.
[44:05] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[44:06] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[44:07] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[44:08] SPEAKER_03: Thinking about the entire history of Trithlon over the last 50 years, right now in 2025, we are living in the golden age of Triathlon.
[44:19] SPEAKER_01: Alistair's retired.
[44:20] SPEAKER_01: No.
[44:23] SPEAKER_01: No.
[44:25] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[44:26] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[44:27] SPEAKER_03: Attitude and effort are the most important things to control on a daily basis for an athlete to perform at their best cum race day.
[44:36] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[44:38] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[44:39] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[44:40] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[44:40] SPEAKER_03: Strong, yes.
[44:43] SPEAKER_03: Swimming in your wetsuit more than once a week is killing your swimming cum race day.
[44:49] SPEAKER_01: No.
[44:50] SPEAKER_01: No.
[44:51] SPEAKER_01: No, but who does that?
[44:54] SPEAKER_03: No.
[44:56] SPEAKER_03: Living and training in a big city, let's say a busy, bustling city with over 500,000 people as its population, as a professional triathlet or age group triathlet who wants to take your triathon seriously is setting yourself up for failure and makes it near on impossible to race at your best.
[45:14] SPEAKER_01: No.
[45:15] SPEAKER_01: No.
[45:18] SPEAKER_01: I hate to say yes.
[45:20] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[45:22] SPEAKER_03: White shoes and white socks on the bike and running is superior to any other combination of colour of shoe and sock.
[45:32] SPEAKER_01: No.
[45:33] SPEAKER_01: No.
[45:34] SPEAKER_01: Hard, harder yes.
[45:36] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, even harder, yes.
[45:38] SPEAKER_03: Absolute fashion criminals, you appoint Greg.
[45:41] SPEAKER_03: Being obsessed and all in with your training is the optimal way to be the best athlete you can possibly be, and having balance is overrated and not the best way.
[45:51] SPEAKER_02: No.
[45:52] SPEAKER_02: No.
[45:53] SPEAKER_02: Yes, but you have to periodize it.
[45:57] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[45:58] SPEAKER_03: Uh no.
[46:00] SPEAKER_03: Max Newman is alive.
[46:06] SPEAKER_00: Yes.
[46:08] SPEAKER_00: No.
[46:11] SPEAKER_00: Yes.
[46:12] SPEAKER_00: No.
[46:14] SPEAKER_00: Jack killed him.
[46:20] SPEAKER_03: The best world to a cyclist would beat the best Iron Man triathlete over a 180k time trial on the bike.
[46:28] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[46:29] SPEAKER_03: No.
[46:30] SPEAKER_03: Yes.
[46:31] SPEAKER_03: No.
[46:33] SPEAKER_03: What?
[46:34] SPEAKER_03: I talked to Cam Worth about this today.
[46:36] SPEAKER_03: That's why what made me ask it.
[46:37] SPEAKER_03: He thinks that he so he says to me, anything over 90k at any point over the last few years, he would have beaten Garant Thomas in a time trial.
[46:45] SPEAKER_03: And he trains with him all the time.
[46:47] SPEAKER_03: And he thinks that the best like Magnus Sam himself would beat all the world tour guys over a 180k time trial.
[46:54] SPEAKER_00: I also think the equipment optimization, I think tri-athletes.
[46:58] SPEAKER_00: I might get dragged over the coals for this, but I think tri-athletes are they're always pushing boundaries.
[47:05] SPEAKER_00: I think UCI cyclists, world tour teams, it's kind of an afterthought.
[47:09] SPEAKER_00: Dude, Tade.
[47:10] SPEAKER_03: I mean the caveat here is Tade Pagaccha is probably beaten everyone, but we just not we don't include him.
[47:15] SPEAKER_03: Let's go everyone but Tade.
[47:17] SPEAKER_03: Maybe Rico as well.
[47:20] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I mean with with just a couple like training rides, but yeah.
[47:24] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it's right now.
[47:26] SPEAKER_03: It's not with them going away and trying to do it for six months.
[47:28] SPEAKER_03: It's just if they all started now.
[47:30] SPEAKER_01: I still say yes, but it's tougher question.
[47:32] SPEAKER_02: I feel that's crazy.
[47:33] SPEAKER_02: I mean, that dude Jonas Rickhardt did a 400 watts normalized for like four hours on a road bike, but like, you know, different.
[47:41] SPEAKER_00: What's his CDA?
[47:42] SPEAKER_02: It'd probably be pretty big, but I mean, I just I can't see that over just the bike portion.
[47:47] SPEAKER_02: I feel like World Tour cyclists will, you know, as long as you're not like a super small climber.
[47:53] SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
[47:54] SPEAKER_02: If Cam Worth says it, it's probably there's some truth to it though.
[47:57] SPEAKER_02: So I have to kind of believe it.
[47:58] SPEAKER_03: I mean, he's been like training partners, like training, training partners every day with Richie Port, Chris Furum, Garant Thomas.
[48:04] SPEAKER_03: You know, that's like what's that five, Tour de France, six, five, six, five, something like that, Touur de France wins and and even more podiums.
[48:12] SPEAKER_03: All right.
[48:13] SPEAKER_03: Uh, should we move on to the the final segment of the show today, Apo?
[48:17] SPEAKER_00: Yes, please.
[48:18] SPEAKER_00: I've been champing at the bit to bring this to you guys on the podcast.
[48:22] SPEAKER_00: Um, it's been this has been something that's been nagging at me for what is it, ten days now.
[48:29] SPEAKER_00: And um, I think in triathlon, there's always lacked a place where people can come and seek out justice when they've been wronged.
[48:39] SPEAKER_00: Um, recently I was committed an injustice against myself.
[48:46] SPEAKER_00: Um I've been wronged by another triathlete.
[48:49] SPEAKER_00: I was listening to the podcast last week.
[48:51] SPEAKER_00: I loved Ari's indictment on uh Vincent Louis and Greg dish up another round of courageous feedback to the pretenders we know that live among us.
[49:02] SPEAKER_00: Jack, you know, where is Andrew Messick?
[49:05] SPEAKER_00: You've called him out publicly 500 times, and we haven't heard sight or sound of him in the last two years.
[49:11] SPEAKER_00: Someone check on Andrew, please.
[49:13] SPEAKER_00: It's made me realize Trithlon Hour is a safe space where I can bring something to the table and justice can be handed down.
[49:22] SPEAKER_00: Ari, Greg, Jack, I'm officially ordaining you as the judge and jury of the Trithlon Court.
[49:30] SPEAKER_00: Ari and Greg, you'll be the jurors and decide if this person is guilty or innocent.
[49:35] SPEAKER_00: Jack, you're the judge.
[49:36] SPEAKER_00: So if someone is found guilty, you need to decide the punishment.
[49:41] SPEAKER_00: I've been wronged.
[49:43] SPEAKER_00: Let me paint the picture.
[49:44] SPEAKER_00: Last week, Boise 70.3.
[49:47] SPEAKER_00: I stroll into the race briefing the afternoon before the race.
[49:51] SPEAKER_00: I see former co-host of this very podcast, Justin Rialli.
[49:57] SPEAKER_00: Rest in peace.
[49:58] SPEAKER_00: He looks at me, he gives me a nod, he gives me a wink.
[50:01] SPEAKER_00: You know, that's a mutual understanding between us.
[50:04] SPEAKER_00: You know, we nothing really needs to be said.
[50:07] SPEAKER_00: We know we're gonna swim hard, we're gonna bike hard, we're gonna make this a two-horse race.
[50:12] SPEAKER_00: Okay.
[50:12] SPEAKER_00: I walk in, I sit behind him, he turns around and he whispers to me, I think we're gonna be seeing a lot of each other tomorrow, Apo.
[50:19] SPEAKER_00: And I reply, Yes, Justin.
[50:22] SPEAKER_00: Yes.
[50:24] SPEAKER_00: So race morning rolls around.
[50:26] SPEAKER_00: I see Justin, I give him a curt nod in transition.
[50:29] SPEAKER_00: He understands the assignment.
[50:31] SPEAKER_00: We swim, you know, there's a handful of us get out of the water together.
[50:36] SPEAKER_00: Justin comes past at the very beginning of the bike and says, Let's go, let's go! You know, typical, you know, loving it.
[50:43] SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, yeah, this is my ticket.
[50:45] SPEAKER_00: This is my ticket.
[50:47] SPEAKER_00: 500 watts up the first hill about mile five.
[50:50] SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Justin is on one today.
[50:52] SPEAKER_00: You know, I think after Oceanside, Justin's ego on the bike, you know, he was putting himself in the realm of the the laid lows, the ditlevs, as the Uber biker.
[51:01] SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this is this is my ticket to the win here.
[51:04] SPEAKER_00: So I uh, you know, I follow that 500 watt surge up that climb, and um we start stringing out the group.
[51:11] SPEAKER_00: I think um, you know, there was maybe three or four left with us at mile 10.
[51:15] SPEAKER_00: I go round, I give him some words of encouragement.
[51:18] SPEAKER_00: I say, they're breaking, they're breaking.
[51:20] SPEAKER_00: We keep the hammer on, and um, you know, I think it gets to about mile 15, and I look back, you know, I'm I'm searching for help.
[51:28] SPEAKER_00: I need help.
[51:29] SPEAKER_00: I've just done five miles on the front at harder than I would have liked to have gone.
[51:33] SPEAKER_00: And I look back, and it's only Justin on the wheel.
[51:36] SPEAKER_00: So we've we have established our gap that we needed.
[51:39] SPEAKER_00: And I'm looking back at Justin saying, you know, he can't hear me, obviously, but I'm thinking, come on, mate, come through, come through.
[51:46] SPEAKER_00: He shakes his head in you know, resignation.
[51:50] SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, mate, what's going on here?
[51:52] SPEAKER_00: What you understood the assignment?
[51:54] SPEAKER_00: So I settle into my own uh my own wattage, and you know, I'm quite comfortable.
[52:01] SPEAKER_00: You know, I settle the power down a little bit.
[52:03] SPEAKER_00: I think, you know, Justin will go go if I drop the watts 20 um, you know, 20 or so, he'll come round eventually.
[52:08] SPEAKER_00: He'll he'll help me.
[52:09] SPEAKER_00: Surely he won't leave me dangling in the front for the rest of the ride.
[52:14] SPEAKER_00: All right.
[52:15] SPEAKER_00: And as the miles keep ticking by, the time keeps ticking up, you know, poor Apo, he's uh he's on the front, he's getting some windburn on his lips, and he's looking back, and Justin is just every time I turn around, shaking that head, declining, refusing to come to the front.
[52:32] SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, pre-race, I was thinking to myself, Justin was my ticket to the win.
[52:38] SPEAKER_00: Little did I know that that nod in uh you know the race briefing, I we we didn't have a mutual agreement.
[52:45] SPEAKER_00: He I was his ticket to a podium.
[52:48] SPEAKER_00: He wasn't my ticket to the win.
[52:51] SPEAKER_00: So I bring this to you.
[52:53] SPEAKER_00: Justin sat on me for maybe one hour and forty minutes of the ride.
[52:59] SPEAKER_00: Sat on my wheel, left me out, hanging out to dry, like a cat left out in the cold.
[53:06] SPEAKER_00: What is this punishment?
[53:08] SPEAKER_00: Is there a percentage of prize money that needs to be, you know, PayPal's my way?
[53:13] SPEAKER_00: I'll leave it up to you guys.
[53:15] SPEAKER_03: Okay, so as the judge of this case, which I love it, and a very serious case to be brought to the triathlon our court as our first case.
[53:24] SPEAKER_03: Ari and Greg, you probably should be, you know, uh anonymous jury members, but Apos may be very public.
[53:32] SPEAKER_03: So, Justin, if you are found guilty of this and you do have to pay a fine, uh, you probably can find out where our jury members live quite easily.
[53:39] SPEAKER_02: It's a jury of your peers.
[53:41] SPEAKER_02: We're in America.
[53:41] SPEAKER_02: It's a jury of your peers.
[53:43] SPEAKER_02: We are we are Justin's peers.
[53:45] SPEAKER_02: It's all fair here.
[53:46] SPEAKER_02: It's all by the book.
[53:47] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just not as faceless as maybe you would like to be in a murder trial.
[53:50] SPEAKER_03: So if we ever do have a murder in the triathon world, maybe we keep you guys a little bit more hidden and we like blur out your voices.
[53:55] SPEAKER_03: Okay, so as the judge of this case, Apo feels like he's been wronged.
[54:00] SPEAKER_03: He feels like Justin has used him and abused him, and earned money on the back of Apo's hard work.
[54:08] SPEAKER_03: And Apo has not been reimbursed for that hard work.
[54:11] SPEAKER_03: Ari, Greg, do you have any questions for Apo before you make your decision?
[54:17] SPEAKER_02: Uh yes, I do.
[54:18] SPEAKER_02: I I have a couple questions.
[54:20] SPEAKER_02: Um First off, Apo, would you care to share your power data with us?
[54:27] SPEAKER_02: Average power over the day.
[54:29] SPEAKER_02: 296 watts.
[54:31] SPEAKER_02: That's about what I figured.
[54:33] SPEAKER_02: 296 watts for a bike split of one hour and 57 minutes, by my calculations, gives an approximate CDA of 0.10, the lowest we've ever seen.
[54:47] SPEAKER_02: So, by my estimation, Justin wouldn't have been getting any draft from behind you.
[54:54] SPEAKER_02: Furthermore, we have a sworn affidavit from Justin Riale himself saying the last race I did was T-100 San Francisco.
[55:03] SPEAKER_02: Don't you remember, bro?
[55:04] SPEAKER_02: It's a 20 meter draft zone, bro.
[55:06] SPEAKER_02: I got 12th place.
[55:08] SPEAKER_02: And um, he stayed 20 meters behind you the whole time per his sworn affidavit.
[55:13] SPEAKER_02: So, again, by my estimation, I don't know how much help Justin Riele was getting.
[55:19] SPEAKER_02: How do you uh what do you have to say in response?
[55:23] SPEAKER_00: My CDA is low.
[55:24] SPEAKER_00: I do believe it might be slightly higher than um what did you say?
[55:29] SPEAKER_00: 0.1?
[55:32] SPEAKER_00: Definitely under 0.2.
[55:34] SPEAKER_00: Um but are we ruling out the psychological benefit?
[55:40] SPEAKER_00: Are we ruling out the chasing the carrot up the road?
[55:45] SPEAKER_00: You know, you cannot argue that having someone riding in front of you at effectively 10 meters because it's front wheel to front wheel.
[55:55] SPEAKER_00: So I just I think the data, the studies are out there.
[56:02] SPEAKER_00: There is the drafting benefit.
[56:04] SPEAKER_00: And when I looked behind and I saw that little head shaken in the wind saying, no, sir, I'm not coming through, is definitely closer than that 20 meters.
[56:14] SPEAKER_03: And Apo, with that, if there was no benefit, why would he shake his head?
[56:20] SPEAKER_03: He would choose to come through and help if it made no difference to the effort required.
[56:25] SPEAKER_03: There must be a reason, wouldn't you say, R and Greg?
[56:27] SPEAKER_01: That's true.
[56:28] SPEAKER_01: That that's enough for me.
[56:29] SPEAKER_01: Well, and I'm wondering about the monetary benefit that Justin Reality gained from this.
[56:33] SPEAKER_01: You know, in court cases we talk about damages.
[56:36] SPEAKER_01: So think about Justin getting podium position from his sponsors, extra bonuses.
[56:42] SPEAKER_01: This man might have walked away with nearly double-digit thousands of dollars from this, and Apo's walking away with none of that.
[56:49] SPEAKER_01: In my eyes, it doesn't quite seem fair.
[56:52] SPEAKER_03: I've been handed documents about this exact thing, Greg.
[56:56] SPEAKER_03: By the court's estimation, we believe that Justin Riale, on a whole from the weekend, has walked away with a profit of$4,500.
[57:07] SPEAKER_01: And clicks on YouTube.
[57:10] SPEAKER_01: You cannot you cannot discount those.
[57:12] SPEAKER_01: Um Ari would know all about that.
[57:14] SPEAKER_01: He's saying I've got a podium, his brand.
[57:16] SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna estimate that's another 50 grand.
[57:19] SPEAKER_01: So that but the court agrees.
[57:24] SPEAKER_03: The court agrees.
[57:26] SPEAKER_03: Ari, Greg, do you have any other questions before you make your decision on the the guilty or not guilty verdict of Justin Riale?
[57:34] SPEAKER_02: No, I have all the information I need.
[57:36] SPEAKER_02: Me as well.
[57:37] SPEAKER_03: Ari, do you find the defendant, Justin Riale, who was here to defend himself, and this was a completely fair court case, as you may have heard?
[57:45] SPEAKER_03: Do you find the defendant, Justin Riale, guilty or not guilty?
[57:49] SPEAKER_02: Beyond all shreds of a doubt, I do.
[57:54] SPEAKER_03: That's not guilty or not guilty.
[57:56] SPEAKER_03: That was that was a marriage proposal.
[57:57] SPEAKER_03: That's the I do thing at the end of the altar.
[58:00] SPEAKER_03: They're different things.
[58:01] SPEAKER_02: I do find him very guilty.
[58:03] SPEAKER_03: Greg, do you find the defendant Justin Riale guilty or not guilty of this heinous crime of drafting off Sam Appleton for one hour and 40 minutes and stealing money out of Appleton and his wife and his children's pockets?
[58:15] SPEAKER_01: I find the defendant guilty.
[58:17] SPEAKER_03: Then by the power of the triathlon community, I, Jack Kelly, judge, jury, and executioner, because I'd already decided no matter what you guys decided that he was guilty today, order Justin Riale to pay Sam Appleton$48,750 US in damages by the December 6th date of 2025.
[58:41] SPEAKER_02: Justice has been served.
[58:43] SPEAKER_03: Court adjourned.
[58:45] SPEAKER_03: Justin, you're a dirty, dirty drafter.
[58:48] SPEAKER_03: You should be ashamed.
[58:50] SPEAKER_00: I'll send you those PayPal details, Justin.
[58:54] SPEAKER_03: And we all know he has about 5 million in the bank anyway.
[58:56] SPEAKER_03: It's literally nothing to him.
[58:57] SPEAKER_03: He's big league.
[59:02] SPEAKER_03: Ari, Sam, Greg, thank you.
[59:04] SPEAKER_03: What another fun episode of the Trifle Now this was.
[59:07] SPEAKER_03: Pleasure to have all of you boys on board.
[59:09] SPEAKER_03: Uh, one more thing from us.
[59:11] SPEAKER_03: We love reading your Spotify comments.
[59:13] SPEAKER_03: They've been awesome.
[59:14] SPEAKER_03: We love how invested you are in the show.
[59:15] SPEAKER_03: We enjoy doing this.
[59:16] SPEAKER_03: And so for you guys to enjoy it, it just makes it, you know, all the more fun.
[59:21] SPEAKER_03: What we want to do as a podcast is get you guys more involved.
[59:25] SPEAKER_03: We talk about on our group chat every single week.
[59:27] SPEAKER_03: We want to find a way to get you guys involved.
[59:29] SPEAKER_03: So if you guys have any questions that you would like us to answer, pretty much you might have realized by now the format of the podcast is we ask a few questions at the start and then we go into some serious or silly segments.
[59:40] SPEAKER_03: So if you have any questions that you want answered or any topics that you want talked about, comment them on the Spotify and we'll add it to the top of the show if there's some that are good enough.
[59:49] SPEAKER_03: Um, or just any, you know, segment ideas you have, topics you want to suspect.
[59:53] SPEAKER_03: Just chuck it in the Spotify comments.
[59:55] SPEAKER_03: We all go and read them, and um, if they're good enough, they'll make it onto the show's running sheet for the following week.
[1:00:00] SPEAKER_03: Uh, thank you for listening, boys.
[1:00:01] SPEAKER_03: Thank you again.
[1:00:02] SPEAKER_03: Let's do it all again next week.
[1:00:03] SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
[1:00:04] SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Jack.
[1:00:05] SPEAKER_01: Later.

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