# Sam Laidlow & Lucy Charles-Barclay WILL Win The Ironman World Championships

An episode of [The Triathlon Hour](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1595443343), 25 May 2026, 1 h 46 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2640942/episodes/19697968-sam-laidlow-lucy-charles-barclay-will-win-the-ironman-world-championships.mp3

We debrief Sam Laidlow's impressive win at Ironman Lanzarote before Lucy Charles-Barclay (who won the women's race) joins us to recap her race/day. We also talk about the results from Spain T100 and The Challenge Championships over the weekend. The first edition of Triathlon Mythbusters is here where we go over common things you hear in triathlon that we don't think are true, read your Spotify comments + Greg receives an all time group roasting to finish the podcast. Nerd Belts Discount code - TTH26 (for 15% off) Click here to buy yourself a Nerd Belt Lever Movement: Use the massive discount code TTH for 20% off your Lever system, just google "Lever Movement" to find their website.

## Transcript

[0:27] SPEAKER_00: Yes, welcome back, pretenders.
[0:29] SPEAKER_00: Another week here on the Triton Hour.
[0:31] SPEAKER_00: And I'm getting very used to saying this, but the whole crew is joining us this week.
[0:36] SPEAKER_00: Sam Appleton's here, the 20 times 70.3 world champion, the most gorgeous man in San Francisco.
[0:42] SPEAKER_00: Apo, welcome.
[0:43] SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Jack.
[0:44] SPEAKER_04: It's good to be here.
[0:45] SPEAKER_04: Yep.
[0:45] SPEAKER_04: Two weeks out until I um boots on the ground in San Fran.
[0:49] SPEAKER_04: I'll be turning heads, that's for sure.
[0:51] SPEAKER_00: And she commentated T100 Spain on the weekend.
[0:54] SPEAKER_00: She uh she nearly saw uh Alana Siffit get hit by a car, and and there was like a very very funny piece of commentary from her around that.
[1:03] SPEAKER_00: Just just did an awesome job in general.
[1:04] SPEAKER_00: Vicky Holland, the Olympic bronze medalist world champion, joins us.
[1:08] SPEAKER_02: Thanks very much, Jack.
[1:09] SPEAKER_02: I mean, I did have to try not to swear.
[1:12] SPEAKER_02: That wouldn't have been okay, but it was a hairy moment for Alana Siffit there.
[1:15] SPEAKER_02: But yes, delighted to be back as always.
[1:18] SPEAKER_00: Well, feel free to swear anytime you want on the podcast.
[1:21] SPEAKER_00: And once we finish these introductions, Vicky, the little segment we're going to get into, I feel like you might want to swear.
[1:27] SPEAKER_00: And Greg Harper joins us as always.
[1:30] SPEAKER_00: Now, I just want to warn everyone, we always do a little bit of a chat before the podcast starts.
[1:35] SPEAKER_00: And usually it's a very fun, happy chat.
[1:37] SPEAKER_00: The four of us are excited to see each other after a big week.
[1:41] SPEAKER_00: Today that was not the case.
[1:42] SPEAKER_00: Greg Harper has come onto the podcast.
[1:44] SPEAKER_00: He's in a bad mood.
[1:46] SPEAKER_00: He's called everybody the C-word already before we started the podcast.
[1:50] SPEAKER_00: Oh, he's not happy.
[1:52] SPEAKER_00: He said that no one's safe on the podcast today.
[1:55] SPEAKER_00: And so I wanted to just like expose something we do behind the scenes before we started.
[1:59] SPEAKER_00: So every week after we get off the podcast, we have what's called the best on ground system or the bog system, where we vote on who was best, second best, third best, and fourth best.
[2:11] SPEAKER_00: And if you're the fourth best, you get awarded the WOG of the week, which is worst on ground.
[2:16] SPEAKER_00: Now, something has happened in the past fortnight that has never happened in the show's history, and that that is that Greg has been voted worst on ground three weeks in a row.
[2:27] SPEAKER_00: That's never happened before in the history of the show.
[2:30] SPEAKER_00: So if it happens four times in a row, I think we've got to get a replacement host.
[2:34] SPEAKER_00: Maybe replaced him with Justin Riale or Ari Clare.
[2:37] SPEAKER_00: Greg Harper, the most opinionated man in the triathon.
[2:40] SPEAKER_00: Welcome.
[2:41] SPEAKER_00: What's wrong, mate?
[2:42] SPEAKER_05: Ah, you know, I just uh Jack's internet's not working well, so he's his camera's not on, and when I can't see his face, I just I get sad, and and that's really what's what's been going on with me.
[2:52] SPEAKER_04: I feel like this all started after the blisters.
[2:55] SPEAKER_04: I think the blisters have really taken.
[2:58] SPEAKER_05: Let me drop some wisdom, okay, guys?
[3:00] SPEAKER_05: Let me drop some wisdom on the podcast.
[3:03] SPEAKER_05: Sport is about momentum, okay?
[3:05] SPEAKER_05: And in the last two weeks, I have no momentum.
[3:08] SPEAKER_05: The momentum is gone.
[3:10] SPEAKER_05: I'm crawling out of my bed in the morning.
[3:12] SPEAKER_05: I'm just digging myself out of the covers.
[3:14] SPEAKER_05: I can't get out.
[3:14] SPEAKER_05: I'm crying.
[3:15] SPEAKER_05: Katie, Katie, get me out of the cover.
[3:18] SPEAKER_05: I can't get out of my own bed.
[3:19] SPEAKER_05: My daughter doesn't recognize me.
[3:20] SPEAKER_05: I'm a shell of myself self.
[3:22] SPEAKER_05: And my friends say, What's wrong?
[3:24] SPEAKER_05: I say, it's momentum, guys.
[3:26] SPEAKER_05: It's momentum.
[3:27] SPEAKER_05: So that's what's been going on with me.
[3:29] SPEAKER_05: I don't have momentum, and I'm getting scared about racing, and I think I need to have a heart heart with my coach to get me back on track.
[3:34] SPEAKER_00: It is a true, a true statement you've made there, Greg.
[3:37] SPEAKER_00: When you have momentum, you've got to cling on it for dear life, and when you lose it, it just feels like it's impossible to get back, and it starts bleeding into all aspects of your life, and you start getting grumpy at your at your missus, grumpy at your kid, grumpy at your friends.
[3:52] SPEAKER_00: You don't want to leave the bedroom.
[3:54] SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's a dark place, mate, but you've got to somehow find find a way to get yourself back into momentum, don't you?
[4:00] SPEAKER_05: You know, lucky I surround myself with uh good people and and you three, so I'm hoping you guys have an extra couple hours after the pod to sit down and work through things with me.
[4:11] SPEAKER_00: We're all we're all pretty busy.
[4:13] SPEAKER_00: Uh, should we jump into the first little thing we want to chat about?
[4:18] SPEAKER_04: Also, Greg, you said my run session was shit this morning, so I don't really feel much empathy to be honest.
[4:24] SPEAKER_04: Okay.
[4:27] SPEAKER_04: All right, move us on.
[4:28] SPEAKER_04: Ironman Lanzarotti.
[4:29] SPEAKER_04: What do we got, Jack?
[4:30] SPEAKER_00: Before we get to Iron Man Lanzaroti appo, I want to talk about how gorgeous you are.
[4:35] SPEAKER_00: So last week on the Spotify comments, it was a unanimous victory for Vicky having to call you gorgeous in San Francisco.
[4:42] SPEAKER_00: And I just wanted to talk about it briefly before we got into the uh meat of the podcast.
[4:48] SPEAKER_00: I I want to start by saying that Vicky can't be like, oh, there's Sam Appleton, he's on a gorgeous bike, or he looks gorgeous on a bike.
[4:56] SPEAKER_00: No, I think she has to directly say Apo is gorgeous.
[5:01] SPEAKER_00: Those three words in that order.
[5:03] unknown: Guys, I can't do that.
[5:05] SPEAKER_05: I feel like she can say, Oh, that's a gorgeous run from Apo, or like a gorgeous run style, because that that's him.
[5:12] SPEAKER_05: But yeah, you can't like call his kit gorgeous or something, but it has to be like Apo acting gorgeously.
[5:23] SPEAKER_04: I think if you lessen the restrictions on it, I think we're more likely to get it like just thrown in there.
[5:29] SPEAKER_02: Because I'll be honest, there's a real chance I forget.
[5:32] SPEAKER_00: You won't forget.
[5:33] SPEAKER_00: I'll be messaging you literally relentlessly the entire broadcast until you say it.
[5:38] SPEAKER_02: I'm not on my phone, I don't know where you mean.
[5:40] SPEAKER_04: I feel like Vicky just needs to slot it in there somewhere.
[5:43] SPEAKER_04: Like it doesn't have to be about my looks or anything.
[5:47] SPEAKER_04: Like, and to be honest, who knows if there's ever gonna be any if I'm gonna get any screen time.
[5:53] SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
[5:53] SPEAKER_04: I feel like if Vicky just throws it in there somewhere, that is sufficient.
[5:57] SPEAKER_05: Dang, I really wanted to make a joke about this because I'm like, when is Apple ever gonna be on the broadcast?
[6:02] SPEAKER_05: This is literally an impossible situation for Vicky.
[6:05] SPEAKER_05: Dude's gonna swim like in seventh, he'll float around eighth place when he gets off the bike and maybe run his way up to sixth.
[6:11] SPEAKER_05: Good job, pal.
[6:12] SPEAKER_05: Way to get that screen time.
[6:15] SPEAKER_04: Craig, I'd be stoked with sixth place.
[6:18] SPEAKER_02: Have you seen the star list?
[6:20] SPEAKER_02: It's impressive.
[6:20] SPEAKER_04: If I get sixth, I'll uh I'll sail off into the sunset happy.
[6:24] SPEAKER_04: I can't believe that you beat me, dude.
[6:27] SPEAKER_00: Thought about this.
[6:27] SPEAKER_00: As a contingency, if Apo's just never on screen, like and it's like 30 minutes to go on the run, and it's like, okay, clearly Apo's not going to be on screen.
[6:37] SPEAKER_00: Do we give a replacement person that when that person shows up on screen, Vicky has to randomly be like, Sam Appleton's gorgeous, or something like that?
[6:46] SPEAKER_02: No, I am not that deep into this that I am going to.
[6:51] SPEAKER_04: Vicki's not risking her uh her actual job.
[6:54] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[6:55] SPEAKER_00: No one's watching.
[6:55] SPEAKER_00: The T100 staff are like her bosses aren't watching the stream.
[6:59] SPEAKER_00: They're in the same room.
[7:03] SPEAKER_00: You do, what are you talking about?
[7:04] SPEAKER_00: You do the commentary from your lounge room at home.
[7:07] SPEAKER_00: It's not live.
[7:08] SPEAKER_00: You're not You're not going to the site, you do it from your house.
[7:12] SPEAKER_00: I'm not in my house.
[7:14] SPEAKER_00: I'm in London.
[7:15] SPEAKER_00: Wow, this is news to me.
[7:16] SPEAKER_00: You go into the studio in London.
[7:18] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[7:19] SPEAKER_02: We're in the PTO offices in London.
[7:20] SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, no one's there.
[7:21] SPEAKER_00: I went and did that once.
[7:22] SPEAKER_00: It was me and Nick Chabinovsky in the corner at 6 a.m.
[7:25] SPEAKER_00: It was like the lot office was still dark.
[7:27] SPEAKER_02: Do you think employs me?
[7:30] SPEAKER_00: Okay.
[7:31] SPEAKER_00: Let's jump into Iron Man Lanceroti chat now.
[7:33] SPEAKER_00: We're going to talk about the men's race only because before we did this podcast, myself and Vicky did an interview with Lucy Charles Barclay where we talked about her race and the women's race in detail.
[7:44] SPEAKER_00: So we're going to go chat about the men's race now, then we'll throw to the Lucy Charles Barclay chat, and then we'll get back into uh the podcast with the Spain T100 chat and some segments we're going to do.
[7:55] SPEAKER_00: So, guys, Sam Laidlow, he's actually dominating this year.
[7:59] SPEAKER_00: He's two from two.
[8:00] SPEAKER_00: He won his first ever 70.3, and now he's won Iron Man Lanzarotti.
[8:05] SPEAKER_00: He dominated it.
[8:06] SPEAKER_00: You know, nine minutes to Patrick Langer in second.
[8:09] SPEAKER_00: He was out front all day, swam solo, rode solo, ran solo, had the fastest swim and bike of the day.
[8:16] SPEAKER_00: It was a pretty ominous performance this early in the year from the uh 2023 Iron Man World Champion.
[8:21] SPEAKER_05: Is that bike course just ridiculously hard?
[8:24] SPEAKER_05: I mean, Sam rode 430-ish.
[8:28] SPEAKER_05: I mean, I don't know.
[8:29] SPEAKER_05: It wasn't that deep of a field.
[8:31] SPEAKER_05: So, I mean, Sam Lidlow winning by a lot.
[8:33] SPEAKER_05: I mean, I'm not like, wow, that's insane.
[8:36] SPEAKER_05: He's on the next level.
[8:37] SPEAKER_05: But I mean, yeah, he just showed up and did what I thought he would do.
[8:40] SPEAKER_05: But the bike course is 30 minutes slower than Kona.
[8:43] SPEAKER_05: That's crazy.
[8:43] SPEAKER_05: This must be like ridiculously hard.
[8:45] SPEAKER_05: I think it's the wind.
[8:46] SPEAKER_02: It's renowned as being ridiculously tough.
[8:49] SPEAKER_02: It is.
[8:49] SPEAKER_02: The wind, as you said, Apo, it's it's known to be extremely hard.
[8:53] SPEAKER_02: Women tend to add about an hour on for the bike.
[8:56] SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's nuts.
[8:58] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's pretty nuts that that course.
[9:01] SPEAKER_02: And I think to put it in context, you kind of have to look at his time compared to like other Iron Man Iron Man Lanzarotti editions.
[9:09] SPEAKER_02: It doesn't really compare across to like other races, but you say it was a week afield.
[9:14] SPEAKER_02: Well, second place was Patrick Langer, and he Who?
[9:17] SPEAKER_02: Patrick Langer, remember him?
[9:20] SPEAKER_02: Friend of the show.
[9:21] SPEAKER_02: Friend of the show, who can we say swam really well and then ran a 233 marathon in Lanzarotti in the wind in those conditions?
[9:31] SPEAKER_02: Again, not a fast course.
[9:33] SPEAKER_02: So I think both of those performances are actually pretty good.
[9:35] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think so.
[9:36] SPEAKER_04: I was looking back through the results uh from previous years, um, because Sam was pretty close to eight hours, and over the last like four or five years, no one's broken 820 there.
[9:46] SPEAKER_04: So he's gone pretty fast comparatively to other years.
[9:49] SPEAKER_04: Um was it a course record?
[9:52] SPEAKER_04: Well, I didn't want to say it, but uh it might have been.
[9:55] SPEAKER_04: Um but yeah, I think Patrick running 233 is also quite surprising to me.
[10:01] SPEAKER_04: I think after Texas, um, you know, admittedly, I might have written him off a little bit as maybe and I don't know why, because you know, the guy just proves time and time again that he's one of the best.
[10:13] SPEAKER_04: And um yeah, to get off and run 233, move into second, he was pretty far back off the bike, but yeah, just showed his run pedigree, um, which was pretty phenomenal.
[10:25] SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, but I guess you're kind of right, Greg.
[10:28] SPEAKER_04: Like Sam Laidlow just doing Sam Laidlow things, really.
[10:31] SPEAKER_04: Like, it's not hugely surprising.
[10:33] SPEAKER_04: Um, but yeah, I think a good performance and uh yeah, probably setting him up nicely for the rest of the summer.
[10:39] SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure it is a Sam Lato doing Sam Lato things, though.
[10:43] SPEAKER_00: I would say that historically at this time of the year, Sam Lalo doing Sam Lado things would be having a good swim, an insane bike, and then having a liver issue or some issue on the run and not finishing it.
[10:56] SPEAKER_00: Like I actually think this is much different to what we've seen from Sam Lato most years.
[11:02] SPEAKER_00: And I again I'll just I'll harp on how impressive this is and piggyback off the back of what you guys said.
[11:08] SPEAKER_00: These are the last five winning times going into yesterday that Sam Lalo did, and it's the same course.
[11:15] SPEAKER_00: So if Frederick Van Leard, 851.16.
[11:18] SPEAKER_00: The next year, one in 834.10 by Andy Bolcher, the next year, Kenneth Vandenschrein 839, the next year, uh Kenneth Vandenshrine back to back, 829, then Dylan Magnion last year, 827.
[11:34] SPEAKER_00: And then Sam Leh though comes out and wins it in 803.40.
[11:38] SPEAKER_00: That's over 20 minutes faster than it's been won in any edition in the last six years.
[11:43] SPEAKER_00: And he rode 427 to do it.
[11:45] SPEAKER_00: And if you go and look at those winning bike times, last year it was 454, the year before, 450, the year before 456, 450 the year before, 501 the year before.
[11:57] SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know.
[11:58] SPEAKER_00: I reckon this is low-key, one of the most impressive Iron Man victories we've had in the past 12 months.
[12:05] SPEAKER_00: And yes, look, there's not many people there, so you can't frank it against a Martin Van Riel or the Norwegians, and who knows how he would have gone against them.
[12:13] SPEAKER_00: But historically at Lanzarote, this is the best performance we've ever seen on the island.
[12:18] SPEAKER_04: It's it's funny with Sam.
[12:19] SPEAKER_04: I feel like you either get he either wins or he blows up.
[12:23] SPEAKER_04: Like, there's no like in-between with Sam.
[12:25] SPEAKER_04: So obviously, we got that really, really well.
[12:28] SPEAKER_04: Um, like a just a great race by Sam.
[12:30] SPEAKER_04: And probably like had so much time up his sleeve that probably didn't even run to his full capacity as well and still ran a 244.
[12:39] SPEAKER_04: Like, yes, I'm sure he was aware that Patrick was coming, but I'm sure he was doing doing the quick maths in his head and you know, thinking about how much time he can kind of give up and still win quite comfortably.
[12:50] SPEAKER_04: But um, I'm sure he didn't go to the well also, so I'm sure Sam could have gone faster if needed.
[12:56] SPEAKER_04: But everyone went far, so I don't know if it was faster conditions, because the top four have gone sub 820, which is under which would have won it any other year that you mentioned, Jack, right?
[13:06] SPEAKER_04: So maybe the conditions were a little bit faster yesterday, but uh yeah.
[13:10] SPEAKER_00: It was apparently really hot, it was apparently still windy.
[13:13] SPEAKER_00: I don't know whether whether it was faster, whether there was some minor course changes, or whether it's just like everything that's happening in long course triathlon this year, that everyone is just so fast, and like every single race at the moment is is being won in a course record time with insane bikes, insane runs.
[13:32] SPEAKER_00: It just it feels like the levels just stepped up this year, Greg.
[13:36] SPEAKER_05: The sport's evolving fast, guys.
[13:37] SPEAKER_05: And uh, you know, Sam Laidlow, it's a little bit of the Lucy Charles Barclay effect, I feel like he's just out there setting such a blistering pace that like when you see him at the turnaround, you're like, man, that guy's gaining.
[13:49] SPEAKER_05: Like it's gonna make the race faster.
[13:51] SPEAKER_05: I mean, there were some guys who were come off the bike like fifth or sixth and both DNF'd, you know, too.
[13:56] SPEAKER_05: So, you know, I think when you get someone like Sam who the strong man bike, like that's a hard bike course, he's crazy arrow.
[14:04] SPEAKER_05: That that is his course, and he sets a super fast time, like he's just gonna bring the competition out.
[14:09] SPEAKER_05: Um, especially when you're racing the world champion as well.
[14:12] SPEAKER_05: Like people are might over bike or are are set really high standards of of racing, and some will finish and some won't, but that's kind of what happens when when guys like Sam Laidlow uh go off the front of the race.
[14:26] SPEAKER_00: So earlier in the year, I put Leon Chevalier under the microscope and talked about how under pressure he is.
[14:32] SPEAKER_00: Now, we love Leon.
[14:34] SPEAKER_00: We do.
[14:35] SPEAKER_00: We're all fans of Leon.
[14:36] SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm a personal friend of Leon.
[14:38] SPEAKER_00: I've had him as a co-host here on on podcasts on the Triton Hour.
[14:43] SPEAKER_00: He came fifth at the Iron Man World Championships in 2023 that year Sam Laidlow won.
[14:47] SPEAKER_00: He then went to Kona the the following year, where Patrick Langer won, and he came fourth, and he was in front uh or sorry, he ran up to second um for a little bit that day and and and and had a great day.
[14:58] SPEAKER_00: And then ever since that, he's just been nowhere.
[15:01] SPEAKER_00: And he started his year at Oceanside, which is where we talked about him, where he was almost 30 minutes behind Christian Blumenfeld.
[15:07] SPEAKER_00: He finished in 52nd place, and then he comes out here at Lanzarote, he finishes in 10th place, nowhere near it, a 324 marathon, an 859.
[15:17] SPEAKER_00: It would have got him the win in 2019 when Frederick Van Leard uh got the win in 901 or something like that.
[15:23] SPEAKER_00: But apart from that, just an awful day from Leon Chevalier.
[15:28] SPEAKER_00: And look, it's at the point where something has to change.
[15:32] SPEAKER_00: I I don't like he's already changed coach, he's he he's moved across to Ben Rezzel, and that's not working, clearly.
[15:40] SPEAKER_00: It's clearly whatever he has changed hasn't been the change required to start improving his performance.
[15:47] SPEAKER_00: If anything, he's getting worse.
[15:49] SPEAKER_00: What what what does this guy have to do?
[15:51] SPEAKER_00: Because this is a guy who came fifth and fourth at at the IMM World Championships two years in a row, only the other, you know, what feels like yesterday, and and now he's barely racing like a good age grouper.
[16:03] SPEAKER_02: Like, I get it.
[16:04] SPEAKER_02: I'm not one who says that you've got to stay with the same coach forever, right?
[16:08] SPEAKER_02: Like change a change up can be really helpful, it can be really invigorating for your career, it can be exactly what you need to move you on to another level.
[16:16] SPEAKER_02: And I think that there comes a point for people where it's time to move on.
[16:19] SPEAKER_02: But with Leon, the way I look at it was he was improving pretty much every year consistently under his previous coach.
[16:27] SPEAKER_02: He didn't have such an amazing 2025, but the rest of when you look at every year before that, and where when they'd started working together, Leon wasn't even a professional athlete, you know, they the progress had been astronomical, really.
[16:41] SPEAKER_02: And you've just got to wonder what's gone on there because I think that's a crazy move to move away from a coach that is working for you, that you two are working well together, that you've got a great relationship.
[16:54] SPEAKER_02: Something something can't have gone well there for that to happen.
[16:58] SPEAKER_02: And for me, I'm I'm torn between thinking that it was a little bit of seeing too much of what's going on online, and you know, other coaches here, there and everywhere are a bit more sparkly and shiny, maybe because they they're coaching other famous athletes who are doing well, or maybe there was some disagreements that we don't know about behind the scenes, or something you know, major has happened because for me it was kind of a crazy decision.
[17:28] SPEAKER_02: They just worked so well together before, and I I don't know why you would move away from that at that point.
[17:34] SPEAKER_00: Who who was he coached by previously, Vicky, just for people at home?
[17:37] SPEAKER_02: Uh Rob Cheatham.
[17:38] SPEAKER_00: Was Susie involved as well, his partner?
[17:41] SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm not actually sure if she was coaching with him.
[17:44] SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
[17:45] SPEAKER_02: When Rob picked up uh Leon, it would have been, I think, back in 2019, maybe.
[17:52] SPEAKER_02: Um, at which point obviously Susie was still racing as a professional as well.
[17:55] SPEAKER_02: So I imagine Susie's involved in some way, but you know, they he came on board into you know Cheetham coaching and got all the same sponsors as Susie and things.
[18:04] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it just it makes me think that something not very nice has happened there because they just work so well.
[18:11] SPEAKER_00: This is a group of great British people.
[18:13] SPEAKER_00: Are you sure you don't know something that you're not telling us?
[18:16] SPEAKER_00: It kind of sounds like you know something.
[18:17] SPEAKER_02: No, no, I I really I really don't know.
[18:19] SPEAKER_02: And I might be talking absolute rubbish here, and it might have all been very amicable and all the rest of it.
[18:24] SPEAKER_02: I just feel like from what the way I saw them work together, I used to, you know, they used to swim with us as well.
[18:31] SPEAKER_02: I used to see them frequently.
[18:33] SPEAKER_02: Um, it was just such a really good setup.
[18:35] SPEAKER_02: It felt like a coach and athlete who were totally invested in one another, and a coach who would do a lot for that athlete, and vice versa, that athlete responded really well to the training that the coach put out.
[18:47] SPEAKER_02: So for me, it just feels like was this all off the back of a pretty rough 2025?
[18:54] SPEAKER_02: Because I think everyone's entitled to at least one season where things maybe aren't moving forward.
[18:59] SPEAKER_02: Because I mean, like again, look at the improvements Leon made to get up to fourth uh Kona.
[19:05] SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's not much further you can go than that, is there?
[19:07] SPEAKER_02: You're getting pretty much to the tippy top of the sport at that point, so it's hard to maintain or make improvements at that point.
[19:14] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I I don't know what's happened.
[19:17] SPEAKER_02: Um, and I genuinely mean that, I don't know what's happened.
[19:20] SPEAKER_02: I I just feel like that was a coach-athlete relationship that worked and they got it right at the big races, most importantly.
[19:28] SPEAKER_02: Um, and so yeah, I just hope that Leon can find a way, whether that is back with a previous coach or whether that is with Ben Rezzel, because at the moment that's just not quite gelling, is it?
[19:40] SPEAKER_02: It's not there's something that's not quite working there for him at the moment.
[19:43] SPEAKER_04: It's hard to know if there's something going on behind the scenes as well, like in his personal life and stuff like that.
[19:48] SPEAKER_04: Like we don't know the full story.
[19:50] SPEAKER_04: Yes, his performances haven't been good this year, and he even pulled out of Texas, right?
[19:54] SPEAKER_04: Like he went to Texas to race and then pulled out like the day before because he wasn't ready and then you know doubled down on this on Lenzarotti.
[20:03] SPEAKER_04: But yeah, it's just like you said, Vicky, something isn't working.
[20:06] SPEAKER_00: So we only know what we know though, Apo.
[20:09] SPEAKER_00: Like, if there's something going on, come out and tell us.
[20:11] SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, all we can do is assume that everything's all good, you know.
[20:15] SPEAKER_00: Like we we that's that's professional sport.
[20:18] SPEAKER_00: And one thing I'll say that I know about Leon is that he thrives off hard work.
[20:23] SPEAKER_00: Now, he's not the kind of guy who loves hard work all the time, you know.
[20:27] SPEAKER_00: He's he kind of needs to periodise his training, from what I understand of him.
[20:32] SPEAKER_00: But I feel like he can only be the best version of himself if he's training really hard, doing quite good volume.
[20:39] SPEAKER_00: And I've always said that Ben Rezzel is a great coach if you're someone like Yellow Geans or Hannah Wells, extremely high potential in the sport, and you need someone just in your corner who can make those, you know, final touches and tweaks to your program.
[20:55] SPEAKER_00: He's really good for that.
[20:57] SPEAKER_00: I'm not so certain he's the kind of coach that Leon Chevalier needs, though.
[21:02] SPEAKER_00: He almost needs a Brett Sutton, someone who just says, Hey, like you're fucking doing this, it's my way or the highway, you're training harder than you ever have before.
[21:10] SPEAKER_00: That's my vibe on Leon.
[21:12] SPEAKER_00: So just let's just see keep seeing what happens this year.
[21:14] SPEAKER_00: But but I am worried about him.
[21:16] SPEAKER_00: Um now we're gonna talk about the women's race.
[21:19] SPEAKER_00: So uh we'll throw to me and Vicky doing a little chat with with Lucy Charles Barclay 30 minutes before the podcast.
[21:26] SPEAKER_02: All right, Lucy, thank you so much for joining us just a day, not even a day after your win at Iron Man Lanzarotti.
[21:33] SPEAKER_02: Um, I guess I want to start in like the build-up to the race.
[21:37] SPEAKER_02: Can you talk us through that a little bit?
[21:40] SPEAKER_02: I mean, did you have more nerves than usual considering the surgery you'd had and you know, any potential uncertainty about how your body would like hold up to the challenge of doing an Iron Man and whether you were ready for it?
[21:52] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I mean you're always nervous, I think, going into an Iron Man because so much can happen and things can go wrong, and you don't always know how your body's.
[22:00] SPEAKER_01: respond to that distance.
[22:01] SPEAKER_01: So I was confident in the training that I'd done.
[22:04] SPEAKER_01: I think it was as best prepared as I could be given the situation.
[22:08] SPEAKER_01: Race was going to only be 16 weeks post-surgery.
[22:12] SPEAKER_01: So I knew it was going to be quite a lot to ask.
[22:14] SPEAKER_01: And four weeks prior to that I arrived in Lans Rotti and did the Olympic distance.
[22:18] SPEAKER_01: And that felt quite tough.
[22:20] SPEAKER_01: So I was like, is it going to be a challenge?
[22:23] SPEAKER_01: Like the pace I was running for the 10k on that Olympic distance is like, well, that's the ideal pace I want to run a marathon at.
[22:30] SPEAKER_01: So and that was quite a struggle.
[22:32] SPEAKER_01: So I was a little bit concerned but actually in training swimming and running had felt quite good.
[22:38] SPEAKER_01: It was cycling that had felt a little bit more challenging like the bite legs were being a bit more stubborn to come back, which was unexpected.
[22:46] SPEAKER_01: But I think generally I knew I just had to finish.
[22:48] SPEAKER_01: So I was like the main goal is just finish healthy, don't do anything stupid and control my effort to do that so that I'm not risking anything basically.
[22:58] SPEAKER_00: Lucy, me and you recorded a podcast before you raced Iron Man Lanzarotti where we talked about the surgery, your training, how everything in your life had been going and that's going to come out later on in the week as well.
[23:11] SPEAKER_00: But then given that you won this race, we're like, oh well we'll just we have to get the follow-up now given that we just did that podcast.
[23:18] SPEAKER_00: But one thing you talked about is that you've probably been swimming just as well as Ian Thorpe in training.
[23:24] SPEAKER_00: And then on race day you swam 47-02 which had you four minutes ahead of the rest of the women in your race and only 30 seconds behind Sam Laidlow who led out solo in the men's race.
[23:36] SPEAKER_00: So it would have had you coming out third place in the men's field which we know what you've done in swimming in triathlon but it just to me seems like a special swim even for you.
[23:47] SPEAKER_00: Talk to me about how that swim played out were even you surprised at how good it was?
[23:52] SPEAKER_01: Yeah it felt it felt pretty good actually like it felt quite controlled and I'd actually I'd looked back at my splits from when I'd raced this Iron Man in 2016 and 17 when I was really new to triathlon and I'd swam really quick then because I guess I was still almost a full-time swimmer just coming into triathlon so the times were fast.
[24:11] SPEAKER_01: And I'd actually sent it to Patrick Langer saying oh I don't know if I'll beat the swim but hopefully I'll beat the bike and run.
[24:18] SPEAKER_01: And it should be a safe bet.
[24:19] SPEAKER_01: But the swim course before used to be one lap so it was faster.
[24:22] SPEAKER_01: There was no Aussie exit and the women started with the men so we would swim with them.
[24:28] SPEAKER_01: So I'm sure if I had started with the men yesterday I could have just swam with Sam Laidlow and it would have been great.
[24:34] SPEAKER_01: So yeah I was pretty happy with that.
[24:36] SPEAKER_01: Like it and the second lap is very busy with age groupers everywhere and I'm trying not to swim over them and ruin their race.
[24:43] SPEAKER_01: So navigating that on the second lap makes it a bit slower.
[24:47] SPEAKER_01: But yeah it just felt really nice actually swimming.
[24:49] SPEAKER_01: So it's good to see that the effort I put into swimming at the start of the year has has paid off for something anyway.
[24:54] SPEAKER_02: Can I start a petition to have uh you race with the men and see you come out with Sam Laido in front of Patrick Langer.
[25:02] SPEAKER_02: I mean I think I think that would uh turn some heads wouldn't it that'd be fun I'd love it.
[25:08] SPEAKER_00: I reckon you would come out front group at Kona if you started with the men in a mass start.
[25:13] SPEAKER_00: That's why they need to bring back the mixed gender mass start even if it's just for the pros but I reckon pros and age groupers.
[25:19] SPEAKER_00: Like imagine an age grouper and Lucy coming out with the the men's lead pack.
[25:23] SPEAKER_00: It would be actually insane insanely fun to watch um speaking of Patrick Langer you actually came out of the water 30 seconds ahead of him and we talked about in that podcast we did whether you would ro outride him you didn't do that but you did go on to have the fastest bike of the day.
[25:39] SPEAKER_00: And you came into T2 with over a 10 minute lead over Nina Duron and Steph Clutterbuck and Vicky's girl Rebecca Anderberry.
[25:47] SPEAKER_01: Talk to me about the ride what was it like being out there for like five and a half hours solo 180k on the bike yeah I mean Lanzarotti is always brutal you know that you're basically adding an hour to your bike split for the course so just factoring that in you need more nutrition more hydration it was going to be hot as well so I knew that I wanted to factor that in we kind of set a heart rate cap that I wasn't allowed to go over just to try and keep that very managed.
[26:16] SPEAKER_01: So I felt like we were yeah almost playing a little game with my bike computer but just trying to enjoy it I think like it potentially is the last Iron Man Lanzarotti it's certainly the last Club of Santa Iron Man Lanzarotti.
[26:28] SPEAKER_01: So I was like I might never get to race on this course again.
[26:31] SPEAKER_01: So let's try and just soak it all up enjoy the moment um yeah so I had a lot of fun out there.
[26:37] SPEAKER_01: I think the the final hour starts to get a bit long you're like can't wait to get off this bike but yeah definitely happy with how it felt on the bike just quite controlled and then knowing that I'm going to get to the marathon in a decent state to uh yeah hopefully complete it.
[26:53] SPEAKER_00: How did you come up with the heart rate?
[26:55] SPEAKER_00: Was it Dan Lorang and Reese or was it yourself?
[26:58] SPEAKER_00: Was there anything you did in training?
[26:59] SPEAKER_00: Was it a gut feel?
[27:00] SPEAKER_01: Yeah we did a lot of testing in training like looking at where my power is and then in correlation with my heart rate and obviously the lactate data as well to make sure that I'm in a range where I'm just in a controlled effort which also then made it more challenging because um Reese and Dan were like actually you probably don't need as many carbs because you're not going to be working at your usual intensity so that made it slightly more challenging I actually ended up thinking I actually underfuelled because I just didn't fancy the gels as much as well you never fancy gels but um yeah I definitely didn't have as much as I probably should have um so fortunately felt okay but I think that's just because yeah we'd capped that effort probably around like 80% so how many how many carbs did you take on like versus usual say say Kona last year versus um yesterday at Lanzarote yeah so in Kona we was aiming for about 80 grams so that's my typical amount and then I Reese reckons I had about 50 grams an hour yesterday.
[28:00] SPEAKER_01: So uh bit on the low side there.
[28:02] SPEAKER_01: Yeah wow that's like that's proper 2016 style yarn that's yarn for Dino on a on a on a diet style yeah I've been a bit told off for that so uh whoops yeah crazy did you have any songs in your head like you know how we we've come to expect you to have you know a funny story from being off the front of the bike for 180k what was going through your mind yesterday was there any weird thoughts uh I was spotting dogs on the course so I was enjoying that seeing some good ones there was a really good Jack Russell on the run course actually so that that was nice um yeah there was a few A stations that had music playing so it's like to catch the beat on that on that section actually although he was riding quite far away from me on the run the guy that was like the lead woman guy on the uh mountain bike he did have tunes playing for the whole ride but unfortunately I couldn't quite hear them because he was a little bit too far in front but I would have really enjoyed that yeah I'd be like I could be singing along and having a great time but um yeah couldn't quite hear what was playing and then the marathon that you just touched on so you ran 301 and it's got to be tricky because like I said you were over 10 minutes in front and you went on to win the race by almost 30 minutes which is is pretty impressive.
[29:15] SPEAKER_00: And I know it's look Taylor Nib and Solvay Lost Seth and Kat Matthews aren't there but but the women are still really solid professionals.
[29:22] SPEAKER_00: Can you talk to us about that?
[29:24] SPEAKER_00: And do you want to potentially touch on the the like lava in T2?
[29:29] SPEAKER_00: Are we allowed to talk about that?
[29:30] SPEAKER_01: Yeah I mean that there was a a situation in T2 which obviously is kind of out of anyone's hands.
[29:36] SPEAKER_01: Like it's the same setup every year but this year the weather was particularly hot.
[29:41] SPEAKER_01: So the white plastic flooring that's on the beach uh for T2 had got really really hot and I think the pro women we must have hit it at the hottest point of the day.
[29:51] SPEAKER_01: So when we dismounted and were running with our bikes for roughly four minutes because it was quite a long transition we were actually burning our feet on the plastic so by the time I sat down in the T2 tent my feet were blistered on the bottom um so it's not ideal to start a marathon with that and I was quite frustrated because I when I dismounted my bike I was like oh my legs actually feel good like I'm gonna have a good run here.
[30:15] SPEAKER_01: And then I was like oh this might be a bit of a problem so um yeah other than that I mean the organisers tried to do the best they could to rectify the situation but um I was running through screaming that it was boiling I think everyone thought it was being dramatic until the head referee actually did touch the plastic and was like I can't touch that it's so hot.
[30:35] SPEAKER_01: So um yeah aside from that a little mishap um the run my kind of plan on the run or what Reese had said was just you want to run in a kind of flow state.
[30:46] SPEAKER_01: I don't want you to be forcing it but also not putting the brakes on to slow down.
[30:50] SPEAKER_01: So it was just about being in that really controlled, comfortable rhythm um felt really good for I'd say like the most part 30k of the run, which is pretty much what I'd done in training 30K and then the last 10k was tough but I think it usually is um and kind of going into this at not 100% fitness I knew that it would be tough that back end but actually wasn't too bad.
[31:15] SPEAKER_02: The crowds here are epic it's all British tourists getting drunk and having a great time so they uh they definitely keep me going that is absolutely no mean feat to overcome the fact that your bottom of your feet are blistered before you start the marathon that must be such a hard thing to get your head round that you're there putting your socks on going oh my gosh my feet are blistered and I've now got to go and run 42 kilometers.
[31:40] SPEAKER_00: That is insane so my hat is well and truly off to you Lucy not not just blistered though Vicky have you seen have you seen them like they are they are worse than Greg Harper's blisters.
[31:52] SPEAKER_02: They like they look like Lucy won't walk for probably half a year maybe maybe this is just confirming what we all knew that women in general are just tougher than Lucy is the toughest of them all.
[32:06] SPEAKER_02: You know Greg got blisters for the last yeah Greg and Harry got bl blisters in the last few miles of a half marathon and Lucy had her whole foot blistered for an entire marathon I mean come on who's tougher here I think I think we've decided on that anyway I'll I'll stop slating them and I'll move on but you know given what you obviously said about the Olympic distance that you did what just about four weeks ago and how you felt there did your performance yesterday like surprise you in any way and adding on to that I guess like which is the bit of the race that you're probably like the most pleased about with your comeback to full fitness because as you said you know you're not quite there yet.
[32:50] SPEAKER_01: Yeah definitely pleasantly surprised um starting the run and like seeing the K's ticking over they were like the same pace I was doing on the Olympic distance to begin with so kind of like in the low four minute a K.
[33:01] SPEAKER_01: And that felt really controlled like I was kind of just out on on a flow and and running so I'm definitely really pleased with that.
[33:09] SPEAKER_01: Obviously the surgery was on my leg and running is what I've had the time off of so to come away with that and then where I've had the surgery that will feel completely fine as well.
[33:19] SPEAKER_01: Yeah definitely over the moon with that.
[33:20] SPEAKER_01: Amazing and you won by almost 30 minutes in the end as Jack said I mean it's just a crazy amount of time and it's so it's easy to kind of just assume that it was all plain sailing all day but you've already spoken about you know what happened in T2 so it's not quite all same plain sailing but would you say you had to battle any demons in the race like later on on the run or you know was it just painful every step of the way like yeah was there anything else tough going on for you I guess aside from the fact that you know you're just completing an Iron Man yeah I think I mean most people like you know Lanzarotti the field won't always be quite as strong so we can call it an easy validation but then obviously the men's field was super strong so I think it's kind of that narrative doesn't really stand by this race anymore and the the course is just so tough.
[34:08] SPEAKER_01: Like I this is the fourth time I've raced here um as a professional so I know it's tough but it always surprises me how tough it is sort of just being out on the bike and that the wind wasn't as strong as normal but it's still tough and then it was hot so not having that wind chill did um was a factor that really in training it hadn't been that hot.
[34:30] SPEAKER_01: So that was something that I got a lot of confidence from obviously what happened in Kona last year that was my first Iron Man back and to be able to do it in the heat and and not have any similar symptoms to what happened in Kona was a really um yeah put those demons to bed I think so definitely happy about that.
[34:47] SPEAKER_00: Nina Duron she was there older sister of Julie and came second the hardest name in triathlon I don't know if you know how to say Nikita's last name Lucy who came third but Pasca Vitz uh I won't try I've I've actually heard it said and I still can't say it.
[35:04] SPEAKER_00: Um she's French so it might be Pascavie and then Rebecca Anderbury who like I said is Vicky's girl she came fourth and uh Marie Linderman came fifth and uh Steph Clutterbuck was there but DNF'd because of the molten hot magma in T2.
[35:19] SPEAKER_00: Did you feel like uh in this race that you were actually in a race or did it feel like a long training day out there?
[35:28] SPEAKER_01: Yeah I mean you're you're always in a race you never know what's gonna happen.
[35:31] SPEAKER_01: Like I didn't know how well the marathon would go because I haven't really done the volume required to do that that well so I I didn't know if I'd blow up and then be walking and then definitely be in the race um and the girls were riding strong behind me and you never know are they doing are they going all in and then they're gonna blow up on the run like you don't know there's always factors at play but I think for me it was always going to be a bit of a training race to learn from it see where I need to go away in training and what things I need to work on which is useful for me.
[36:02] SPEAKER_01: It's useful for Reese and Dan as well for where we go from here obviously looking at equipment things as well there's some things I I want to adjust and change to make things I guess more simple in Kona in terms of fueling and and what I'm doing on the bike.
[36:18] SPEAKER_01: So yeah lots of good lessons and takeaways for sure.
[36:21] SPEAKER_02: One of my favourite parts of racing was always at the end where you have like the debrief where you sit down in the recovery area and you're like chatting to the other athletes.
[36:31] SPEAKER_02: I mean you would have had to wait a while I know and you just kind of chat about the craziness of the day because everyone usually has a story right there's always something that's happened pre-race in the swim at any point during the race even after the race there's always something mad that's happened to pretty much everybody.
[36:48] SPEAKER_01: Now you've already kind of touched on the craziness of T2 was that your was that your one for the day or were there other things going on as well yeah I think it was mainly the floor is lava in the uh T situation and discussing which range of athletes caught that at the worst time so definitely uh some of the male pros who were just ahead of me uh had a similar suffered a similar fate against some of them didn't finish either because of that situation so um yeah and it's not really something you can plan for we didn't expect that like obviously I think Steph said the same thing.
[37:23] SPEAKER_01: If we had known it was going to be like that we would have put socks on in T1 but we never expected that situation.
[37:28] SPEAKER_01: So um yeah that's racing sometimes things happen that you couldn't prepare for and um yeah you would think that white plastic would be fine you think it would reflect the heat.
[37:39] SPEAKER_01: So I guess it's the same the race organizers never thought that that would be a situation that would occur.
[37:44] SPEAKER_00: So yeah that was probably the main topic of conversation comparing our feet at the end war wounds yes okay given that you've had the surgery Lucy you had the the blow up uh uh in the marathon at Kona last year uh coming out of the weekend at Lanzarote what is it that you can now see that you really need to work on where where are you lacking if you're going to compete with Solvay and Taylor and Kat and Laura at Kona later on in the year?
[38:12] SPEAKER_01: Yeah I mean it's it's quite difficult to say exactly because obviously on the bike we'd set a performance limit on that or an effort level limit.
[38:21] SPEAKER_01: But I think the bike is just so long I mean it's extra long here so I think it highlighted it even more but in order to have a great run the bike needs to be easy for that 180k um which I think is what I will hopefully go away and work on work on making that bike not take too much out of me so that I can have a solid run.
[38:44] SPEAKER_01: To run well I really do think you need to be not forcing it.
[38:48] SPEAKER_01: You need to be how I was yesterday where you're just flowing and running hopefully even quicker than I ran yesterday but just in that state it's just so long and you can start the first half feel absolutely brilliant and the wheels can come off so quickly and you just start to not feel great especially in that heat.
[39:06] SPEAKER_01: So I think it's yeah making that bike as easy as possible and then I feel really confident I've I've run nearly three hours with not much run training and trying to do it as easy as possible.
[39:18] SPEAKER_01: So um yeah a lot of confidence gained and excited to now go and work on that increase the fitness I feel like I almost need to go back and continue the base phase that I'm doing which it's not typical for May in the season but um yeah luckily there's still quite a while before Kona so lots of good things to work on.
[39:37] SPEAKER_02: I read um Reese's Instagram post which I thought was very good by the way talking I guess about this in context really for your year you know January time you thought you'd kind of got over the problems the rest had solved it then that turned out not to be the case when you landed in Lanzarote and you had to completely rethink your year, go for the surgery, build up again and I guess with all of that context did that make yesterday like more emotional for you in a way or was it just pure joy that you're back out there?
[40:10] SPEAKER_02: Was there a relief to be being back doing it?
[40:12] SPEAKER_02: Like what was what what does that mean to you?
[40:15] SPEAKER_02: Because it is brutal when you've got to take these setbacks and to have a surgery in January is just nobody's idea of fun, right?
[40:23] SPEAKER_01: Yeah I think it's it's incredibly hard as a professional athlete because you you have the surgery done and you're like okay tick that's great that bit's done and then you're making big chunks of progress in your healing and your recovery which is great.
[40:36] SPEAKER_01: You feel like you're winning and then you get back to doing something that resembles triathlon training and then you realize you're so far behind where you need to be and that joy kind of ends because you're like oh no now I realise I'm way behind.
[40:50] SPEAKER_01: So there's definitely an element of that but then I was just trying to be grateful that I'm back on the start line that in January I never would have thought that would be possible.
[40:59] SPEAKER_01: I think my medical team when I had the surgery were like you're looking at 12 weeks before you can start running and I was like that timeline's not going to work for me because I need to validate for Kona so we're gonna have to adjust and see what's possible.
[41:14] SPEAKER_01: And I think they were slightly nervous about me racing this race and if it would be possible when when I'm out there on the race course I was when it got tough I was like you have to be grateful that you're here try and enjoy the moment and know that at the beginning of the year you couldn't run and now you're gonna run a marathon after swimming and cycling this distance.
[41:32] SPEAKER_01: So yeah trying to be grateful soak it all up and actually I I wasn't really emotional until I literally ran into the finish and Kevin McKinnon who was on the mic was like and in January this year she had surgery and now she's coming to take the win and then I was like oh god I'm actually getting a bit emotional now because it just was like the end of that chapter hopefully and really putting that behind me and moving forward.
[41:52] SPEAKER_01: So yeah a nice full circle moment from from that point.
[41:56] SPEAKER_02: It's funny that that gives me goosebumps again.
[41:58] SPEAKER_02: I remember the similar thing watching you in London at the T100 last year and that wasn't you know your first race back or anything but it was it was kind of the comeback after what had happened the year before and I remember commentating that race and getting all the goosebumps then and feeling all like emotional and even just hearing you talk about that then where you're coming down the finish chute and they're talking about your story and it makes you emotional yeah it just does it to me again.
[42:24] SPEAKER_02: I I I just love these uh these sporting stories it's really cool to hear it.
[42:27] SPEAKER_00: You just retired too early Vicky um I pushed it quite late yeah yeah probably a bit too late no no we we both know you retired too early um Lucy when it comes to high performance particularly at your level which is kind of something beyond high performance it's like the tippy top 0.01% of high performance in endurance sport do you believe that you have to always be walking the fine line between injured and uninjured sick and not sick to be at that level?
[43:00] SPEAKER_00: Because you have had a history in your career now of being at the top of the sport and then being injured or sick or having an issue and it's kind of seemed like it's a a cycle or a roller coaster for you.
[43:13] SPEAKER_00: Do you think that's just you or do you think that that's what you have to get to if you want to be the best I'd like to think you don't have to do that.
[43:20] SPEAKER_01: Like I definitely think when I perform best I'm in the healthiest version of myself.
[43:26] SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately I've had a rocky road with my medical history obviously finding out I was celiac in in 2024 did kind of answer why I was getting those injuries and going from being at the top of peak fitness to then being injured.
[43:41] SPEAKER_01: And then I think unfortunately obviously with this surgery that is more linked to high performance sport and just the nature of the load that my body's going through that's a more typical injury that could happen hopefully touch wood.
[43:54] SPEAKER_01: I I'm done with all that because I it's lovely being the comeback queen but I'm kind of sick of it.
[44:00] SPEAKER_01: And do without it for a while.
[44:03] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hopefully that's it for now.
[44:05] SPEAKER_00: If it happens every year, can you keep calling it a comeback?
[44:08] SPEAKER_00: Like, how many more years do we keep going with the comeback?
[44:11] SPEAKER_00: Like, it's kind of just this is just what happens.
[44:14] SPEAKER_01: But it's such a good story.
[44:15] SPEAKER_01: Everyone loves it.
[44:17] SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna write a book one day and it'll be a dumb story.
[44:23] SPEAKER_00: The 10 time comeback queen.
[44:25] SPEAKER_02: Right, Lucy, we've taken up about half an hour of your time.
[44:28] SPEAKER_02: It's been absolutely brilliant to talk to you.
[44:30] SPEAKER_02: Thanks for coming on.
[44:31] SPEAKER_02: Uh, we wish you all the best with your recovery and well done again.
[44:36] SPEAKER_02: Go and enjoy yourself.
[44:37] SPEAKER_01: Oh, thanks, Vicky.
[44:38] SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Jack.
[44:38] SPEAKER_01: I'm sure we'll catch up soon.
[44:40] SPEAKER_01: Take care.
[44:49] SPEAKER_00: Nerdbelts was born out of necessity by pro triathlete Steve McKenna, who discovered that proper hydration and fueling were critical to his success.
[44:57] SPEAKER_00: But the problem was that traditional fuel belts were really, really frustrating to use.
[45:02] SPEAKER_00: Steve went from struggling to finish his Iron Man races to all of a sudden winning multiple Iron Man events by increasing his fluid intake.
[45:09] SPEAKER_00: So he knew he had to come up with a better way than just tucking a Gatorade bottle down his tri-suit because it was so important to his performance.
[45:16] SPEAKER_00: Next minute, his sister sewed together his belt idea.
[45:19] SPEAKER_00: And when people saw his little DIY belt during uh his victory at Iron Man Australia, demand for it kind of exploded in in Australian Trithon.
[45:27] SPEAKER_00: And what started as a belt for him and only him that was not for sale to the public quickly grew a bit of a cult-like following down in Australian Triathlon.
[45:36] SPEAKER_00: And within a few years, nerd belts has probably become the belt that most pro triathletes trust and race in, like Sam Long, Jason West, Jake Burt Whistle, Joe Skipper, Jamie Riddle, Ari Clow, and heaps more.
[45:49] SPEAKER_00: All people whose run is probably their strength, if anything, or very close to most of those people being the strength of their runs.
[45:57] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and and I think a good part of this story of Nerd Belts is that Steve then reluctantly stepped away from racing to fully focus on refining the nerd belt product, using all of the customer feedback to create a new generation belt that's taken no bounce at any pace you run in to the next level, whether you're a male, a female, whether you're fast, whether you're not as fast.
[46:19] SPEAKER_00: They really have refined the nerd belt to not bounce for anyone where you wear it.
[46:23] SPEAKER_00: The solution is that there's now a practical, high-performance solution to your fueling and hydrating during race day, or even just like your training needs, like carrying your phone as well and some and some car keys and that kind of thing.
[46:37] SPEAKER_00: They all the belts you can carry 600 mil of fluid, you can put your phone in them, you can put six plus gels, is my experience.
[46:44] SPEAKER_00: Um I've I've also fit my key, my dog poo bags in there at the same time as all of this, and you don't even notice it really.
[46:51] SPEAKER_00: Like you maybe do like 1% for the start of the run, but before long, you literally don't notice the nerd belts on your hips at all.
[46:58] SPEAKER_00: It kind of just blends in.
[46:59] SPEAKER_00: Um, it's all it really has become a really refined product um in 2026.
[47:04] SPEAKER_00: And and I think a big thing in Trithlon now is that fueling on every run is how you can train more consistently and avoid like the fatigue and and rid the fluid combination as well, the the dehydration that can derail performance day in, day out in training.
[47:18] SPEAKER_00: So rather than riding the roller coaster of sometimes feeling great, sometimes feeling shit, nerdbelts really does help you recover quickly and so that you feel better, not only uh in that session that you're doing, but the next day and the next day and the next day.
[47:31] SPEAKER_00: So if you want to get yourself a nerd belt, I highly recommend it.
[47:34] SPEAKER_00: They're so good for training, they're probably even better for racing.
[47:37] SPEAKER_00: Um, use the discount code TTH26 for 15% off when you do buy anything from Nerdbelts on their website, and all the details for that, the discount code, the website, etc., uh in today's show notes.
[47:57] SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that rounds up Lanzarotti, and now we'll have a little look at T100 Spain, which was also this weekend.
[48:04] SPEAKER_02: And in case you missed it, I am part of the commentary team there.
[48:07] SPEAKER_02: So I was very much invested in this race, watching every single second of the action unfold.
[48:13] SPEAKER_02: And it was Georgia Taylor Brown who came home with the victory for her first time on T-100.
[48:18] SPEAKER_02: She's now on a, I think, a fifth race and she managed to get her first victory.
[48:23] SPEAKER_02: It was somewhat missing the firepower at the front of the swim.
[48:28] SPEAKER_02: That was probably the only area that was maybe slightly lacking all day long.
[48:31] SPEAKER_02: And then the rest of the day, it was a pretty good race.
[48:35] SPEAKER_02: You know, we had a fair bit of action on the bike.
[48:37] SPEAKER_02: We didn't just have one person riding off on their own.
[48:40] SPEAKER_02: It ended up coming down to three girls on the bike, Alana Siffert, Julie Daron, and Georgia Taylor Brown.
[48:46] SPEAKER_02: And then onto the run.
[48:47] SPEAKER_02: It was Julie Deron with the early lead.
[48:50] SPEAKER_02: And then Georgia Taylor Brown overtook her a few kilometres in and never looked like being beaten again.
[48:56] SPEAKER_02: Behind her, Julie Deron held on for second, and Taylor Spivey charged through from, you know, quite far back at T2 to take her first T100 podium as well.
[49:05] SPEAKER_02: But it was a really good course.
[49:07] SPEAKER_02: I think all the athletes really enjoyed it.
[49:10] SPEAKER_02: It was beautiful from the reservoir they swam in, the point-to-point bike course through the Rolling Hills in Navara, and then it was on to a really quite cool sort of bit of everything run.
[49:23] SPEAKER_02: Cobbles up, down, trail, through by the river, through the town.
[49:27] SPEAKER_02: It was just really cool, actually.
[49:29] SPEAKER_02: And they all have said it was probably the best T100 course that they've done.
[49:33] SPEAKER_02: So a really good day for me to commentate and watch it and just to have like quite a good head-to-head battle for a lot of the race to kind of watch.
[49:42] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, really good.
[49:43] SPEAKER_02: I thought signs alive from Georgia Taylor Brown.
[49:46] SPEAKER_02: She really did come out and say, I'm here to race now.
[49:49] SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not here just to have a go and put a smile on it and doesn't matter what happens as long as I have fun.
[49:56] SPEAKER_02: She was here to race.
[49:57] SPEAKER_02: And even in the days in the build-up, it really looked like she was kind of talking about how am I gonna win?
[50:02] SPEAKER_02: And she'd thought about how she might win, and then she went and did win.
[50:07] SPEAKER_02: And she looked brilliant doing it.
[50:09] SPEAKER_02: You know, she she never really looked like she was in trouble.
[50:12] SPEAKER_02: So I thought that was really, really impressive from her.
[50:15] SPEAKER_02: I thought Julie Daron was strong, if not her absolute best.
[50:19] SPEAKER_02: And she said afterwards, Oh, I felt like I was done like 10 times over, but I just kept going.
[50:24] SPEAKER_02: And uh yeah, Taylor Spivey finally getting the result that shows that she's actually got some real potential at this distance as well.
[50:32] SPEAKER_00: It was the Georgia Taylor Brown of her Olympic era, right?
[50:36] SPEAKER_00: The one that was the favourite to win the Olympic gold medal, actually acting like she was the favorite to win the race.
[50:43] SPEAKER_00: I knew things were gonna go well for her.
[50:45] SPEAKER_00: She's a non-sponsored athlete by Nomeo, and she posts on her story before the start of the race the picture of her Nomeo.
[50:53] SPEAKER_00: So that's why The Nomeo, that magic juice.
[50:58] SPEAKER_00: You take that stuff, you race well.
[51:00] SPEAKER_00: That's what's happening in 2026.
[51:02] SPEAKER_00: Guess who took it at Iron Man Lanzarotti yesterday?
[51:05] SPEAKER_00: Both of the winners.
[51:06] SPEAKER_00: Georgia Brown.
[51:08] SPEAKER_00: Leon didn't take Nomeo.
[51:10] SPEAKER_00: Imagine if that's how simple it was.
[51:11] SPEAKER_00: It's just like all of the triathlon professional world started taking Nomeo, and Leon hasn't caught up yet.
[51:17] SPEAKER_00: And he's just racing like everyone used to in 2023 before they started sipping on the secret.
[51:22] SPEAKER_04: Broccoli.
[51:23] SPEAKER_04: I had some steamed broccoli with dinner last night, same thing.
[51:26] SPEAKER_00: Your session didn't go that well today, though, Apple.
[51:29] SPEAKER_00: So just not high enough dose of the ITCs to get the benefit.
[51:33] SPEAKER_00: TTH 15, wherever you get your Nomeo in the world, that's 15% off your first order.
[51:40] SPEAKER_04: Um, but yeah, Taylor Spivey, she looked like she came off quite far behind and just cleaned everyone up on the run.
[51:48] SPEAKER_04: And yeah, I think it's just like when these short course athletes just come across, they just show that it's they just have another level of run speed, right?
[51:57] SPEAKER_04: And Taylor Spivey's always, you know, great runner at the WTCS, and yeah, she's showing that pedigree in T100, so great race for her as well.
[52:06] SPEAKER_05: I have a question about like the athletes who do both.
[52:08] SPEAKER_05: I mean, it's really mostly Taylor Spivey, maybe Kate Waugh a little bit this year.
[52:13] SPEAKER_05: Although last year she seemed to not really do much short course, but Taylor's like that perennial third, fourth place type of athlete.
[52:20] SPEAKER_05: And I'm just like, should you just not do one of these series?
[52:24] SPEAKER_05: I mean, look, she's getting a g a lot of money, and that's part of it.
[52:27] SPEAKER_05: So I I don't know.
[52:28] SPEAKER_05: I to me though, from the outside, in and I don't really know, I don't think she really cares about T-100 that much, and she is more focused on short course, and then she kind of just came into this race, like Apo said, and then kind of ran her way into third when she was a bit out of the race.
[52:42] SPEAKER_05: Um, so yeah, I just I not that I question it in I just question the decisions being made by athletes who trying to do both, like what their motivation is to do both, because in the end, you probably can't do both at the same level that you could just do one.
[52:59] SPEAKER_00: Greg, that comment might have got you off the bottom of the BOG rankings.
[53:04] SPEAKER_00: It might have moved me or Apo down there because it's brilliant and it's true.
[53:08] SPEAKER_00: And Taylor Spivey is the poster girl of this.
[53:12] SPEAKER_00: You can't have it all in triathlon anymore.
[53:14] SPEAKER_00: You can't be the best version of yourself over middle distance and short course and Iron Man at the same time.
[53:20] SPEAKER_00: We're seeing it time and time again.
[53:22] SPEAKER_00: I think we saw it yesterday with Julie Duron.
[53:24] SPEAKER_00: I think Julie Duron is training for Kona.
[53:27] SPEAKER_00: I think Brett Sutton's got her on the Chrissy Wellington, Daniella Reef method.
[53:31] SPEAKER_00: And I think she had Iron Man legs.
[53:33] SPEAKER_00: It scared me for what Julie might do at Kona because her bike looked good.
[53:37] SPEAKER_00: I thought, oh, she looks like she's on the Sutto Iron Man method.
[53:40] SPEAKER_00: But that meant that she didn't win the T-100 race yesterday, that she would have dominated in this same field any of the past two or three years.
[53:48] SPEAKER_00: Taylor Spivey's been doing it for the last two years where she's kind of become worse at short course as a result of her transition.
[53:55] SPEAKER_00: She's still very good, but she's probably not going to like win an Olympic medal, I don't think.
[54:01] SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's a controversial thing to say.
[54:03] SPEAKER_00: But she's also not winning a T-100 race.
[54:05] SPEAKER_00: Now she is coming third, she's still making tens of thousands of dollars, and it's a very good performance.
[54:10] SPEAKER_00: But if you want to be the very best at either, I do think you have to fully specialise, and that's what Georgia Taylor Brown has done this year.
[54:19] SPEAKER_00: And look at how good she's shown up for 70.3 and T100 racing to start the year.
[54:24] SPEAKER_02: But she hasn't though.
[54:25] SPEAKER_02: Georgia's already doing short course as well.
[54:27] SPEAKER_00: What I'm hearing, Vicky, is that she's fully in her training started focusing on middle distance as the priority, and the short course is the complementary thing.
[54:36] SPEAKER_02: Well, I think maybe okay, maybe in her training there there is a slant in direction, but I know that what her what she is trying to do is do both with the aim of going a bit more headlong into the short course world as things ramp up towards the next Olympics because she does have aspirations on going to a third games.
[54:58] SPEAKER_02: And if I'm honest, I kind of think that's what Taylor Spivey's doing.
[55:01] SPEAKER_02: I don't think you're wrong in saying that actually the very best athletes specialise because last year, you are right, Greg, Kate Wof only really did T100.
[55:11] SPEAKER_02: I think she did one short course race and everything else was T100.
[55:15] SPEAKER_02: And I think that paid dividends for her.
[55:18] SPEAKER_02: Go back a couple of years, it was Ashie Gentle.
[55:20] SPEAKER_02: She was just doing T100.
[55:22] SPEAKER_02: Last year, Mika Nuke just doing T100.
[55:25] SPEAKER_02: Like these athletes were able to get those great results because they were specializing on it.
[55:31] SPEAKER_02: But I think Taylor Spivey came off the back of an Olympic campaign that was very draining and went, I want to go and do something different.
[55:40] SPEAKER_02: A lot of the athletes had expressed in short courses that they didn't like that so many of the courses were flat, not technical, bunch packs coming together.
[55:50] SPEAKER_02: There wasn't anywhere for the really strong cyclists to show their hand.
[55:55] SPEAKER_02: And so that's where T 100 kind of offered them something and they thought, yeah, like that's where I want to go because I want to be able to show my strength.
[56:02] SPEAKER_02: And it's also worked out perfectly for them in these couple of seasons because they haven't had to focus quite so much on short course.
[56:09] SPEAKER_02: I wonder what's going to happen next year.
[56:11] SPEAKER_02: When things start ramping up towards the Olympics, that's when it's going to be really telling whether people continue to do both and hope that they do complement each other, or whether they go, No, I'm gonna pick a side and I'm gonna stick to it.
[56:24] SPEAKER_05: Everyone who's gonna get an Olympic medal is doing full short course this year, full stop.
[56:29] SPEAKER_05: No one can do T-100 this year and then dabble back into short course.
[56:34] SPEAKER_05: No chance, no chance Taylor Spivey and Georgia Taylor Ground get a medal in the Olympics.
[56:38] SPEAKER_05: Zero chance.
[56:39] SPEAKER_00: I agree, Greg.
[56:40] SPEAKER_04: What about for the men though, if you look at someone like Hayden Wilde?
[56:43] SPEAKER_04: Surely he's doing T1, well, he's already done T100 this year.
[56:45] SPEAKER_04: He's not getting a medal in the Olympics, bro.
[56:48] SPEAKER_05: It's gonna be a breakaway.
[56:49] SPEAKER_02: Sorry, he's got two already.
[56:53] SPEAKER_05: I'm talking about the next Olympics, guys.
[56:55] SPEAKER_05: All of those people who have medals were 100% short course focused, they got medals.
[57:00] SPEAKER_05: Now they're doing other shit.
[57:02] SPEAKER_05: They might try to go back.
[57:03] SPEAKER_05: You can't do that unless you're Alex Yee and he ran a 206 marathon.
[57:07] SPEAKER_05: Like he's the only one.
[57:08] SPEAKER_05: However, though, I think Alex and Hayden might both not get medals in the Olympics.
[57:13] SPEAKER_04: This is the last year where you can dabble and still focus on the Olympics.
[57:17] SPEAKER_04: I think 2027 is when you have to start.
[57:19] SPEAKER_04: You can't win a medal, though.
[57:20] SPEAKER_05: That's what I'm saying.
[57:21] SPEAKER_05: You can go back, you can do it.
[57:22] SPEAKER_05: Look what KB did.
[57:24] SPEAKER_05: He gets you you can get a nice sixth place.
[57:26] SPEAKER_05: You can get chopper medal, you can get fourth.
[57:28] SPEAKER_05: I couldn't agree more if win medals are doing 100% short course racing currently.
[57:33] SPEAKER_00: I could not agree more.
[57:34] SPEAKER_00: I think it's I think you're laughing at it, Apo and Vicky, but I think Greg is going to be proven right in this one.
[57:40] SPEAKER_00: And people do this with Greg.
[57:42] SPEAKER_00: He gives a solid opinion that ends up being right, and they laugh it off and they go, Oh, Greg, you're so stupid.
[57:47] SPEAKER_00: You don't know what you're talking about.
[57:49] SPEAKER_00: But you've got to listen to him.
[57:50] SPEAKER_00: This is a this is a mistake I've made in the past as well, because he has nuggets like this that are true.
[57:55] SPEAKER_00: Now, Taylor Spivey's 35.
[57:57] SPEAKER_00: She's going to be 37 or 38 by the time the Olympics come around.
[58:00] SPEAKER_00: She's not going to win a medal, especially not if she's dabbling in both.
[58:04] SPEAKER_00: That's a fact.
[58:04] SPEAKER_00: Greg's spot on there.
[58:06] SPEAKER_04: That's not what I'm arguing.
[58:07] SPEAKER_04: I'm not arguing that Taylor Spivey's going to win a medal.
[58:10] SPEAKER_04: I'm arguing that someone like a Hayden Wilde or Alex Yee, because Alex will do more running races this year.
[58:16] SPEAKER_04: Hayden will do more T-100s.
[58:18] SPEAKER_04: I'm arguing that I think those two can still be still get a medal.
[58:23] SPEAKER_05: Alex Alex is like fully focused on short course again, by the way.
[58:26] SPEAKER_05: And we were kind of talking about Georgia Taylor Brown.
[58:28] SPEAKER_05: I think Alex could be an exception.
[58:30] SPEAKER_05: However, Hayden obviously is not getting a medal, and Georgia Taylor Brown will not be getting a medal as well.
[58:35] SPEAKER_05: I think if Georgia though went to short course today and went full focus till the Olympics, she could probably get a medal.
[58:42] SPEAKER_05: But she can't do T100 this year and then get a medal.
[58:44] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're saying they have to focus on whatever they're going to focus on this year.
[58:49] SPEAKER_00: It has to be their full focus from now.
[58:51] SPEAKER_00: Whether that's Georgia, Alex, Hayden, whoever it is, Taylor Spivey, uh, you know, whoever, Tilda Manson, they have to be all in on it if they want to be the best at that right now.
[59:03] SPEAKER_00: And I couldn't agree more.
[59:04] SPEAKER_00: I if I was gonna make a bet, I'd be on your side.
[59:06] SPEAKER_00: I'll put an Apo tattoo bet on it.
[59:08] SPEAKER_00: Exactly what you just said, Greg.
[59:10] SPEAKER_02: That whoever Well, you're gonna get two Apo tattoos or still zero.
[59:17] SPEAKER_00: I agree though.
[59:18] SPEAKER_00: The six Olympic medalists will have focused on short course in 2026 and 2027.
[59:24] SPEAKER_04: Challenge Samurain also happened.
[59:26] SPEAKER_04: We'll just run over this quickly.
[59:27] SPEAKER_04: Harry Palmer, king of YouTube, took out the win.
[59:30] SPEAKER_04: Pretty good win for Harry, I think.
[59:31] SPEAKER_04: Um Valdemir Solok in second, Will Draper in third.
[59:35] SPEAKER_04: Um, and then for the women, it was Carolyn Pohl and Lena Meisner in second, and then Katrine Christiansen in third.
[59:43] SPEAKER_04: I was just upset we didn't get another Caro Pol, Lena Meisner sprint finish.
[59:47] SPEAKER_04: Um just a quick wrap-up on um Sam Maroon.
[59:54] SPEAKER_04: But I'm I'm actually pretty impressed with Harry Palmer.
[59:56] SPEAKER_04: I think he's kind of hitting his stride, he's hitting his straps in the last couple of years, I think.
[1:00:01] SPEAKER_04: Shout out Harry.
[1:00:02] SPEAKER_05: Apple had actually written Harry Potter on the on the results, and then he wrote Voldemort Solek, and he was doing a bunch of Harry Potter references, but then he deleted them and chickened out.
[1:00:12] SPEAKER_05: But it was pretty funny, Apple.
[1:00:15] SPEAKER_04: I thought that was quite funny, but uh no one said anything, so I just wrote their real names.
[1:00:21] SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I changed Lena uh Messer to Luna for Luna Lovegood, but I don't know if you saw that.
[1:00:26] SPEAKER_04: Oh, I did see that.
[1:00:27] SPEAKER_04: I just thought I made I just thought I made a typo.
[1:00:34] SPEAKER_04: Uh I was trying to think of someone for Will Draper, but I couldn't come up with anything.
[1:00:38] SPEAKER_04: Maybe like Will Draco or something.
[1:00:41] SPEAKER_04: That would have been a good one, actually.
[1:00:42] SPEAKER_04: Anyway, move it moving this on.
[1:00:45] SPEAKER_04: Hooray.
[1:00:46] SPEAKER_00: Harry Palmer putting together a nice little pal Maurer.
[1:00:49] SPEAKER_00: He's he uh he obviously won the championships yesterday.
[1:00:53] SPEAKER_00: And uh Iron Man's 70.3 Swansea two years in a row, but yeah, I don't know.
[1:00:58] SPEAKER_00: It's uh it it's kind of a it's kind of a two-part thing for me.
[1:01:03] SPEAKER_00: Like, one, it's a great performance from Harry Palmer.
[1:01:05] SPEAKER_00: I didn't expect him to win the race, so for him to win that race, really, really impressive.
[1:01:09] SPEAKER_00: But also, considering this is the marquee event for challenge, like this is the pinnacle of challenge racing, it's quite an underwhelming field.
[1:01:18] SPEAKER_00: Strength of field 80.97.
[1:01:21] SPEAKER_00: It's not it's not what this race has uh uh you know maybe once was in terms of um strength of field.
[1:01:27] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I don't know.
[1:01:28] SPEAKER_00: Challenge not at not at its strongest when their championship race is being won by Harry Palmer, as impressive as the performance was.
[1:01:36] SPEAKER_05: Well, wouldn't you say challenge wrath is kind of like the accumulation of the challenge?
[1:01:40] SPEAKER_05: I know this is their championship, but I would say that's kind of like the the big marquee event.
[1:01:45] SPEAKER_00: Of course, but it's not even like fully a challenge race, you know.
[1:01:49] SPEAKER_00: It's it's you know, it's it's kind of independently owned and ran.
[1:01:52] SPEAKER_00: And if you talk to challenge, the championship race is their marquee race and they're like yeah, their championship race.
[1:01:58] SPEAKER_00: And they've they've said that in the past.
[1:02:00] SPEAKER_00: So they were trying to make the the championship their big thing apart from Roth.
[1:02:05] SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if it is that, you know what I mean?
[1:02:07] SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think it I don't think it's looked at as a championship race by anyone in the triathlon world.
[1:02:11] SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and it's also in May, which is like it's just an interesting time.
[1:02:14] SPEAKER_05: You're like, oh, the championship, and you're like, oh, yeah, just a stepping stone in my season.
[1:02:18] SPEAKER_00: I was looking at the results from challenge championships and thinking about previous years yesterday, and like if you go back and look at whose race, like Gustav's won it, Lucy Charles Barclays won it, Sebastian Kinlay's been there, um, India Lee won it twice.
[1:02:34] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Lionel's won it a bunch.
[1:02:35] SPEAKER_00: Lionel's won it.
[1:02:36] SPEAKER_00: It it's just, you know, I'm I feel like I'm disrespecting Harry Palmer and and uh Voldemort and and Will Draper, but it's you know, and Caroline and Lena, but yeah, I yeah, I'm I'm really interested to see what happens with the championships next year when T100 and the and the challenge takeover fully fully takes place and whether they keep it or whether it becomes something else.
[1:02:58] SPEAKER_00: I'm just I'm I'm interested to see what happens there because it does feel like it's um it's lost a bit of its shine.
[1:03:04] SPEAKER_00: Um I I wanted to quickly ask you about Indie Lee, Vicky, because she raced T100 Spain on the weekend.
[1:03:10] SPEAKER_00: Uh she is really I think close to retirement, and I don't know whether saying that's nasty because I'm such an Indie Lee fan.
[1:03:21] SPEAKER_00: Uh, but she won a T100 race, T-100 Miami, the first ever T-100 race.
[1:03:26] SPEAKER_00: And just looking at the results from the championships where she went back to back uh in winning that race, I I don't know, like is she checked out?
[1:03:33] SPEAKER_00: What what is she injured secretly?
[1:03:35] SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
[1:03:35] SPEAKER_00: Because like she's nowhere near that version of herself.
[1:03:38] SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, the boring answer is that I don't know, but the but I can tell you what I do know, um, and that is that I know she had a bit of a rough time at the beginning of the year.
[1:03:48] SPEAKER_02: I think I I spoke to her just before uh the race this weekend, and she said that she went really, really deep in Kona and it kind of cooked her.
[1:03:57] SPEAKER_02: Um, she then tried to race Qatar for the final of the T100 and she was still cooked and had to take really quite a long time off because she just couldn't get back into any sort of training again, like just didn't feel good.
[1:04:09] SPEAKER_02: And so she ended up having a lot of kind of false starts for the year.
[1:04:12] SPEAKER_02: And before she really got going, it was kind of February, late February, March time.
[1:04:17] SPEAKER_02: And then from that point on, she said it's all been pretty good, like she's been feeling good, and all the training's been coming quite smoothly, it's been going better than she planned.
[1:04:25] SPEAKER_02: And she's targeting Hamburg in a couple of weeks' time, and that was the main aim.
[1:04:30] SPEAKER_02: And so she went to this race kind of going, Well, I don't think I'm gonna be as fast as maybe I have been at other races, but I'm gonna be strong.
[1:04:38] SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm Iron Man strong, I'm not T100 fast.
[1:04:42] SPEAKER_02: And so when I spoke to her, there was absolutely no indication of illness.
[1:04:45] SPEAKER_02: She didn't mention anything about being under the weather or injured or anything like that.
[1:04:50] SPEAKER_02: Now, admittedly, I was about to commentate the event, so it's possible that she was holding stuff back because she didn't want me to know.
[1:04:57] SPEAKER_02: Um, but I kind of don't think she would.
[1:05:00] SPEAKER_02: I think she would have just said, don't mention this, and I would have honoured that.
[1:05:03] SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I I don't know what's going on, but I do know that her day ended very fast in uh in Spain.
[1:05:10] SPEAKER_02: I don't think she didn't make it out of the water, so she was assisted out of the water.
[1:05:15] SPEAKER_02: So that tells me something pretty bad's gone on.
[1:05:17] SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's as simple as she took a punch that winded her and she couldn't catch her breath.
[1:05:21] SPEAKER_02: And that that can be scary for anyone, even a professional.
[1:05:24] SPEAKER_02: Like when you literally can't breathe in the water, it's just not a fun experience.
[1:05:29] SPEAKER_02: I don't know whether the pollen's got to her.
[1:05:31] SPEAKER_02: I know hay fever has been a real factor for Indy and other races.
[1:05:35] SPEAKER_02: I I honestly don't know.
[1:05:37] SPEAKER_00: And I kind of feel bad.
[1:05:38] SPEAKER_00: I want to touch on Harry Palmer again.
[1:05:39] SPEAKER_00: He's a good athlete, it's a good win.
[1:05:42] SPEAKER_00: I like Harry Palmer, he's a former chase packer.
[1:05:45] SPEAKER_00: I really, really like Harry, and I was very happy when he ran when he won that race.
[1:05:49] SPEAKER_00: Like, really, really happy for him.
[1:05:51] SPEAKER_00: He's a great person.
[1:05:52] SPEAKER_00: And Caroline and Lena are world class athletes in the women's race as well.
[1:05:56] SPEAKER_00: So it's it, you know, maybe I was being a little bit dramatic, but there's just so many.
[1:06:00] SPEAKER_00: High-level races now.
[1:06:01] SPEAKER_00: I guess it's a case of not everything can be stacked, and we're so used to stacked races and we're getting spoiled all the time.
[1:06:08] SPEAKER_00: But it was a solid start list and good wins from Harry Palmer and Caroline Polk.
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[1:08:31] SPEAKER_00: I think this is one of the stupidest things in Trithlon, and you guys would know this better than anyone.
[1:08:36] SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you feel absolutely dog shit the day before the race, the morning of the race, the entire week leading into the race, and you're like, I'm I'm fucked.
[1:08:44] SPEAKER_00: I can't race well, and then you have a great race.
[1:08:47] SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you're 24 hours from the ra out from the race and you're thinking, I feel so good, I feel so fresh.
[1:08:53] SPEAKER_00: And then you get out there and your legs literally don't function properly, and you have one of the worst races of your life.
[1:09:00] SPEAKER_00: I think we put too much weight into how we feel race week.
[1:09:04] SPEAKER_00: I think so many times I hear people say, I'll be good, I just need to freshen up.
[1:09:09] SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, seven days out from a race, you know, I've had a hard block, I just need to freshen up.
[1:09:13] SPEAKER_00: The biggest myth in trifling, if you're telling yourself that, I don't know what it's just it's just something that you're doing to trick yourself into thinking that you're gonna do this magic thing for seven days and have a great race.
[1:09:25] SPEAKER_00: It doesn't exist.
[1:09:26] SPEAKER_04: Being fresh and feeling good are different things, though.
[1:09:29] SPEAKER_04: They're not the same.
[1:09:30] SPEAKER_04: Like you can be fresh but still feel sluggish and lethargic, which I think is often common in race week because your body is resting more and you're a little bit more, you know, you could be hypersensitive to things like and like say you wake up and you're like your throat's a bit dry because you slept with the air con on or something, and you're like, oh, I'm getting sick, but any other week you would have just completely ignored it.
[1:09:55] SPEAKER_04: I think being fresh and feeling good at different things, but yes, I agree with the sentiment, Jack, that like I've had great races of feeling rubbish in race week and vice versa, felt awesome in race week and had rubbish races.
[1:10:08] SPEAKER_04: So I think the sentiment is true.
[1:10:10] SPEAKER_00: The biggest predictor of race performance is the three to six months of training you've done before the race, not how you feel seven days out from the race, not how you feel the day before the race.
[1:10:21] SPEAKER_00: They almost are completely irrelevant.
[1:10:24] SPEAKER_00: It's just your your brain wanting to do brain things and play tricks on you and convincing yourself that the little things matter more than they do.
[1:10:32] SPEAKER_00: It's the three to six months before that race that will ultimately dictate what happens in that race.
[1:10:37] SPEAKER_04: But in saying that, and you guys might disagree with this, but I would prefer to be 10% too fresh than one correctest roll desired.
[1:10:47] SPEAKER_00: This is a myth that needs to be busted out, though.
[1:10:50] SPEAKER_00: No, no, it's the biggest line of bullshit ever.
[1:10:52] SPEAKER_04: No, I would every single give me I would prefer to be 10% too fresh than 1% overdone.
[1:10:58] SPEAKER_04: You're just saying nonsense.
[1:11:00] SPEAKER_04: I'd prefer to go into a race at 90% than 101%.
[1:11:03] SPEAKER_05: What do those percentages even mean, first of all?
[1:11:06] SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
[1:11:07] SPEAKER_05: No, you'd just rather go into a race trained harder beforehand.
[1:11:11] SPEAKER_04: What I'm saying is I'd prefer to err on the side of caution in race week than err on the side of too much.
[1:11:18] SPEAKER_05: I feel like that's what the whole the whole point though is is that age troopers think they like need to just rest, rest, rest, rest, rest, rest.
[1:11:24] SPEAKER_05: Then they come into races' sluggish.
[1:11:26] SPEAKER_05: I know, but like we all feel good in training generally.
[1:11:29] SPEAKER_05: I mean, unless you're trading terribly and you're in a bed bad system, but I feel quite good on sessions during the week most weeks.
[1:11:37] SPEAKER_05: So if you just take that mindset into racing, you probably will feel decently good in a race, too, if you just keep the the same similar flow.
[1:11:45] SPEAKER_05: And look, it's it's hard to do.
[1:11:47] SPEAKER_05: Like taper is not perfect and it's not a one size fits all, even from race to race for the same person.
[1:11:52] SPEAKER_05: But over years of your career, and as you get older, and and maybe you're an age group athlete in your 50s now and it's different than you once were in your 30s.
[1:12:00] SPEAKER_05: But um, I think the whole like 10% underdone versus like 1% overdone is just like arbitrary numbers that actually don't make any sense.
[1:12:07] SPEAKER_05: And how are you really supposed to like hold on to something like that?
[1:12:10] SPEAKER_05: Because it really doesn't make any sense.
[1:12:12] SPEAKER_00: Amen, Greg.
[1:12:13] SPEAKER_00: It's like 2010 all over again from Apo.
[1:12:16] SPEAKER_00: Bringing bringing out the the old school triathlon uh knowledge there.
[1:12:20] SPEAKER_00: I think this is an opinion held by you know people who maybe haven't caught up with what's happening in Trithlon at the moment.
[1:12:28] SPEAKER_00: Like I said, go back to what I said.
[1:12:29] SPEAKER_00: It's what you've done for the three to six months before the race.
[1:12:32] SPEAKER_00: You can even extrapolate that and go the one, two, three, four, fifteen years before the race that will ultimately matter.
[1:12:38] SPEAKER_00: I don't think it matters whether you're 1% overdone or 10% underdone, these very scientific numbers you bring to the table, Apo.
[1:12:46] SPEAKER_00: I think all that matters is what you've done for the three to six months going in.
[1:12:51] SPEAKER_00: And yes, you might look at what happened and go, ah, I was just a little bit overdone for that race.
[1:12:56] SPEAKER_00: That's why I felt shit.
[1:12:57] SPEAKER_00: But it's not true.
[1:12:58] SPEAKER_00: What actually happened is if you zoomed out even further and looked at the three to six months, you'd find the answer as to why you had the bad race.
[1:13:06] SPEAKER_00: If you have a great race, whether you're 10% underdone, 1% overdone, whatever those numbers mean, the good race came from the three to six months you did beforehand.
[1:13:15] SPEAKER_04: I'm not disputing that.
[1:13:16] SPEAKER_04: I'm just saying, given the option, if I had a 10-hour tape a week or a 25-hour tape a week, and they're the only options I have, I'm taking the 10-hour tape.
[1:13:26] SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's fair enough.
[1:13:27] SPEAKER_00: That's fair enough.
[1:13:28] SPEAKER_00: If you have the same three to six month build-in and you had the option of both, you'd pick the 10 over 25.
[1:13:34] SPEAKER_00: That's fair enough.
[1:13:35] SPEAKER_00: I understand that.
[1:13:36] SPEAKER_00: But here's here's my counterpoint to that.
[1:13:39] SPEAKER_00: If you had a shit six months leading in or a great six months, right, you would take a great six months leading in and a 25-hour training week versus a shit six months leading in and a 10-hour taper week.
[1:13:51] SPEAKER_04: Yes.
[1:13:52] SPEAKER_04: I think we're in agreement here.
[1:13:53] SPEAKER_04: We are.
[1:13:55] SPEAKER_05: Can I say why swimming's a better sport?
[1:13:57] SPEAKER_05: Because you shave your entire body and put on a suit so you automatically feel good.
[1:14:02] SPEAKER_02: Get yourself nice and bold, don't you, Greg?
[1:14:04] SPEAKER_05: I don't know what that means, Vicky, but uh, let's move on.
[1:14:08] SPEAKER_04: All right, I'll uh I'll give us a myth.
[1:14:10] SPEAKER_04: Um so this is a little bit of recycled content.
[1:14:14] SPEAKER_04: If you guys listen to the Coffee Club podcast, the running podcast, they were talking about treadmill running, right?
[1:14:21] SPEAKER_04: But I'm actually recycling content that I originally brought up on this show when I was like one of my very first episodes, Jack tasked me with um bringing ten commandments.
[1:14:32] SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you guys remember, ten commandments to the podcast.
[1:14:35] SPEAKER_04: And one of my commandments was that you don't need to run on the treadmill at 1%.
[1:14:40] SPEAKER_04: And I don't know where this like theory came from.
[1:14:44] SPEAKER_04: But are you guys like think that like everyone thinks they have to run at 1% for their treadmill running?
[1:14:50] SPEAKER_04: And I just it's just fundamentally not something that needs to be done.
[1:14:56] SPEAKER_04: Like if you're running at a certain effort and you're not in that like you're not in your prescribed effort, you just run faster.
[1:15:03] SPEAKER_04: You don't need to turn up the incline.
[1:15:07] SPEAKER_04: Just run faster.
[1:15:08] SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
[1:15:09] SPEAKER_00: There was a study done that it was a very weird study that had barely anyone in it, and it concluded that to mimic outdoor conditions, you had to have uh elevation on your treadmill.
[1:15:20] SPEAKER_00: It didn't even say 1%.
[1:15:22] SPEAKER_00: There just needed to be incline on your treadmill somewhere around one or two percent.
[1:15:27] SPEAKER_00: And then it's been outdated already.
[1:15:29] SPEAKER_00: There's a there's a new study that came out, it was in the last two years, I don't remember exactly, that said there is um no noticeable difference in biomechanics when you run at 0% on a treadmill versus outside.
[1:15:42] SPEAKER_00: And the long-standing view has been that if you ran it ran at 0% on a treadmill, it it is easier and it's more like running downhill outside.
[1:15:51] SPEAKER_00: But that's that's not true.
[1:15:53] SPEAKER_00: That's incorrect.
[1:15:53] SPEAKER_00: Biomechanically, it's exactly the same as running on the flat outside.
[1:15:58] SPEAKER_00: And so there it's just like this this kind of you know, outdated research that's been done.
[1:16:03] SPEAKER_00: And it's why you shouldn't really look at research all the time as the gold standard.
[1:16:07] SPEAKER_00: You should look deeply into that research to figure out whether it is the gold standard because sometimes applied practice is is way more advanced than than what's been studied and researched.
[1:16:18] SPEAKER_00: And and so I think the the point is, Apo, if you run on the treadmill, don't worry about that kind of shit.
[1:16:25] SPEAKER_00: You don't need to try and mimic wind resistance or outdoor conditions, just put it on 0%, run faster, use an internal metric like heart rate or lactate or RPE to dictate how fast you run on the treadmill.
[1:16:39] SPEAKER_02: No further notes on that one, I don't think.
[1:16:41] SPEAKER_02: I think we're all in agree with you there, agreement with you there, Apo.
[1:16:44] SPEAKER_02: So I've got one instead, and mine is that can we just quickly go back?
[1:16:48] SPEAKER_00: Would you rather be 10% underdone or 1% overdone leading into your race?
[1:16:56] SPEAKER_02: Okay, so my first one is that the and I say in inverted commas, best super shoe is not necessarily the fastest.
[1:17:07] SPEAKER_02: And this needs some clarification, so I will.
[1:17:10] SPEAKER_02: Um, I think with the shorter distances, it probably is true.
[1:17:15] SPEAKER_02: So when we're talking about 5k and 10k, you probably really do want to be wearing the shoe that has been tested and come out as the fastest shoe, the fastest one on the market.
[1:17:26] SPEAKER_02: As soon as you start getting above that, I think there is a huge factor in your comfort when you're racing.
[1:17:33] SPEAKER_02: Because if you are uncomfortable when you are racing, you will drop so much time so fast that any benefit you're getting from those super shoes is negated.
[1:17:45] SPEAKER_02: Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't be wearing a super shoe.
[1:17:48] SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying that you know the tippy top ones that we're all hearing, oh, this is gonna be the next best one.
[1:17:53] SPEAKER_02: This one's come out and apparently the foam's amazing in this one, this one's been redesigned, watch out for this one.
[1:17:58] SPEAKER_02: I think you've actually got to test them yourself because if you're not comfortable in those shoes, if Mr.
[1:18:04] SPEAKER_02: Greg Harper, they're giving you awful blisters, or if they've got a stack height and you pronate really badly and you're gonna end up rolling your ankle because they're exceptionally high or whatever, find a shoe that works for you because actually that will pay dividends over the longer distances, like the half marathon and the marathon.
[1:18:25] SPEAKER_05: Well, it's interesting you bring this up because I saw this Instagram from Ben Canute and he was talking about shoe testing, and he was saying something about stability over the long term, and he kind of picked that in terms of instead of a shoe that was maybe slightly faster.
[1:18:38] SPEAKER_05: But in the end, I think what you're kind of saying is you gotta find something that works for you.
[1:18:43] SPEAKER_05: Although I just I find it incredibly difficult.
[1:18:46] SPEAKER_05: Like these shoes are expensive.
[1:18:48] SPEAKER_05: Well, that's the problem.
[1:18:49] SPEAKER_05: You know, they don't last, they don't last long, is a thing.
[1:18:52] SPEAKER_05: So like you want to take it out for a proper test, it's like cool, you then you have to get a new one for the race or something.
[1:18:57] SPEAKER_05: It's like, I mean, listen, the shoes that I ran in that I got blisters in, that shoe falls apart after 30k.
[1:19:03] SPEAKER_05: Like, no joke.
[1:19:04] SPEAKER_05: That shoe is bad after 30k.
[1:19:06] SPEAKER_05: So, like, what are you supposed to do when you want to test shoes?
[1:19:08] SPEAKER_05: And then like, I don't have enough information.
[1:19:11] SPEAKER_05: Like, I didn't own a running store like Jack did, right?
[1:19:14] SPEAKER_05: I can't like I can't pinpoint these things and be like, oh, I think I'm running better here.
[1:19:19] SPEAKER_05: I don't have a coach watching me.
[1:19:21] SPEAKER_05: So yeah, I think in practice, I guess that's good, but or like what you're saying, like in what we should do is find a shoe that works for you, but it's bloody hard, mate.
[1:19:30] SPEAKER_02: They may nice accent.
[1:19:33] SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm not sure what that was, but anyway.
[1:19:36] SPEAKER_02: Um they they make it hard for you, don't they?
[1:19:39] SPEAKER_02: I mean, these shoes are so expensive now, unless you've got a serious bank of money to throw at testing all of them.
[1:19:45] SPEAKER_02: It it's really, really difficult.
[1:19:47] SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I'm just saying I don't think you necessarily need to jump on the latest hype train of the latest amazing shoe because actually it might be hideously uncomfortable for you and it might not make you faster at all.
[1:20:00] SPEAKER_04: What's your theory, Jack, about um your personal philosophy for super shoes in training?
[1:20:06] SPEAKER_04: Because I'm in a phase and I've gone through a few different phases, right?
[1:20:11] SPEAKER_04: Where I used to do barely any quality runs, but now I'm doing every single time that I have like a session, which is like two to three times a week, I'm doing super shoes.
[1:20:21] SPEAKER_00: I think there's lots of different facets to this appo.
[1:20:24] SPEAKER_00: So the cost of super shoes is a big thing.
[1:20:26] SPEAKER_00: Now you're lucky you're a sponsored athlete, so that's something you don't have to worry about as much as the everyday athlete.
[1:20:32] SPEAKER_00: So there is kind of two different roads you can go down.
[1:20:36] SPEAKER_00: One where if money doesn't matter to you, and one where if money does matter to you, and they're both very different.
[1:20:43] SPEAKER_00: If money does matter to you, then I think it's it's kind of more important to find a super shoe that is more robust for you, that you can get more mileage out of and wear in training a lot.
[1:20:53] SPEAKER_00: For a lot of people, a shoe like the Nike Alpha Fly 3, you can get 500 kilometers of great training out of, versus the ASICs Meta Speed Ray, where you can probably get 50 good kilometers out of, and that could even be a stretch, particularly if you're heavier.
[1:21:07] SPEAKER_00: If you're heavier, good luck getting more than 20 to 30k out of that shoe before it completely deteriorates on the on the medial side of the shoe.
[1:21:14] SPEAKER_00: So it's it's tricky.
[1:21:15] SPEAKER_00: If you're you, Apo, and you don't have to worry about money so much, then you should wear super shoes regularly.
[1:21:21] SPEAKER_00: The myth of saving a shoe super shoe so that you have performance benefit on race day, like, oh, I haven't felt this in a long time.
[1:21:28] SPEAKER_00: It feels so magic on race day.
[1:21:30] SPEAKER_00: Myth busted.
[1:21:32] SPEAKER_00: Don't that that isn't that is how we originally kind of treated super shoes when they weren't as available and you had to kind of treat them like they were gold and save them for a special day under a rainbow.
[1:21:43] SPEAKER_00: You don't have to do that anymore.
[1:21:44] SPEAKER_00: Wear them regularly, get used to them, figure out how you run in them, um, what feels best, what shoe you might wear.
[1:21:51] SPEAKER_00: You run faster, so you're also gonna have slightly different biomechanics, you're gonna adapt a little bit differently to the neuromuscular load of that shoe.
[1:22:00] SPEAKER_00: So you should be wearing them more frequently versus less frequently.
[1:22:03] SPEAKER_00: Now there's injury considerations with that.
[1:22:06] SPEAKER_00: It's up for debate at this stage still, but we think there might be a bit of a high incidence of proximal stress injuries.
[1:22:13] SPEAKER_00: So you think about your sacral stress injuries or your femoral stress injuries versus lower limb stress injuries like your tibia or foot stress injuries that were very common pre-super shoes, with a shifting of load in old school racing shoes versus modern super shoes.
[1:22:29] SPEAKER_00: So we don't know if it causes higher incidence overall of stress-related injury if you're gonna wear super shoes more often.
[1:22:36] SPEAKER_00: We suspect no, we suspect it's just different stress injury versus what we used to get when we're in really thin, you know, racing shoes like the Sokony Kinvara that you used to wear, for example, Apo, um, that put more load on the foot and the calf and the Achilles and the the Tibia and Fibia as a result of that.
[1:22:54] SPEAKER_00: So, overall, I would say that if you want to get the best out of your performance, you should be wearing your super shoe quite regularly.
[1:23:01] SPEAKER_00: Be very used to it, adapt to wearing that.
[1:23:04] SPEAKER_00: If money's a factor, I still think that same principle applies.
[1:23:07] SPEAKER_00: Just try and find a shoe that's really robust for you and you can get a lot of time out of.
[1:23:12] SPEAKER_05: Well said, Jack.
[1:23:14] SPEAKER_05: I'd brought a swimming myth to the table, um, but Jack vetoed it.
[1:23:19] SPEAKER_05: I just want to put it out there.
[1:23:20] SPEAKER_05: I can't not say that before I get started.
[1:23:23] SPEAKER_05: So I wrote something down that we all hear all the time: quality over quantity.
[1:23:29] SPEAKER_05: And I just think that's just a massive myth.
[1:23:32] SPEAKER_05: And it's really the quantity of quality that you should be doing and maximizing that.
[1:23:38] SPEAKER_05: And it doesn't mean it has to be hard, but basically you want to do as much quality training as you could possibly do to get the best results.
[1:23:45] SPEAKER_05: And yes, you have to recover from that, but like the whole debate versus quality or quantity, it's like you should do both as much as you possibly can because that's how you get good.
[1:23:55] SPEAKER_00: Okay, my next myth is that you have to or should do time trials or testing in your training.
[1:24:05] SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm not gonna call anyone out here, but I see this same Instagram page pop up all the time, which is coaching in Triton, and they talk about how they do FTP tests every four weeks or six weeks or eight weeks or whatever it is.
[1:24:18] SPEAKER_04: Well, what page is that, Jack?
[1:24:19] SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying it.
[1:24:20] SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying it because the people who run it are actually good people.
[1:24:24] SPEAKER_00: I don't think they're the best coaches in the world.
[1:24:27] SPEAKER_00: And this is a big reason why.
[1:24:30] SPEAKER_00: It's it's simply a myth.
[1:24:32] SPEAKER_00: It is actually a terrible way to go about your training.
[1:24:36] SPEAKER_00: That there is no good reason to be doing testing that frequently, particularly if it's low quality testing like an FTP test on your bike trainer or a 5K time trial around the track or things like that.
[1:24:48] SPEAKER_00: They are an ego-driven thing, or you're trying to validate your training too frequently, kind of thing, and not zooming out and seeing the big picture of what training actually is.
[1:25:01] SPEAKER_00: You know what should be the validation of your training?
[1:25:04] SPEAKER_00: You're racing.
[1:25:05] SPEAKER_00: Now, if you're someone who doesn't want to race, like you just want to train and you want to race maybe once a year, then I see the benefit of doing time trials or tests in training, because it can be a fun little, you know, a fun little flag in your training to be like, I've got that coming up, I can look forward to it, I can go and do something maximal and really push myself.
[1:25:24] SPEAKER_00: You're the exception, not the rule.
[1:25:26] SPEAKER_00: For everyone else, if you're gonna do testing properly, it has to be maximal.
[1:25:31] SPEAKER_00: If it's not maximal, it's probably not gonna be a good test in this sense.
[1:25:35] SPEAKER_00: Because think about it.
[1:25:36] SPEAKER_00: If you do an FTP test, which is a 20-minute maximal test once every four weeks, and you do that year round, how often are you actually gonna get the best out of yourself of those 12 tests?
[1:25:49] SPEAKER_00: Like it's so hard to do 12, 20 minute tests at the absolute peak of your ability 12 times a year, and then still have to race on top of that.
[1:25:59] SPEAKER_00: That's too much, that's overkill.
[1:26:01] SPEAKER_00: It doesn't actually tell you a whole lot either.
[1:26:04] SPEAKER_00: If you do want to test, get in a lab, do two to three quality lab test sessions in a year, get some gas data, some actual gold standard data, but just your power on a trainer for 20 minutes once every four to eight weeks.
[1:26:18] SPEAKER_00: That ain't doing anything.
[1:26:19] SPEAKER_00: And you don't have to sell your coaching like that.
[1:26:21] SPEAKER_00: Like you don't have to show people, look, you did this in your 20-minute test four weeks ago, and now you're up to this, you've improved so much.
[1:26:27] SPEAKER_00: We're such great coaches.
[1:26:29] SPEAKER_00: That's just that's just some silly shit.
[1:26:32] SPEAKER_00: Take a more long-term view.
[1:26:34] SPEAKER_00: Try and try and set up a training program that has progressive overload and doesn't require a maximal test every four weeks for you to reset your zones and reset your powers and your paces.
[1:26:45] SPEAKER_00: It's outdated, it's silly, it's not best practice.
[1:26:49] SPEAKER_04: Also, to get a valid result, right?
[1:26:52] SPEAKER_04: Like you want to be going into a test fresh, right?
[1:26:57] SPEAKER_04: Because you want to get that you don't want to do you don't want to be one percent overdone going in.
[1:27:02] SPEAKER_05: Precisely.
[1:27:03] SPEAKER_05: Because it's not gonna give you a val a valid number, is it?
[1:27:06] SPEAKER_00: Exactly, Appo.
[1:27:07] SPEAKER_05: I do it up a Strava climb uh 20 minutes, and I do the estimated Strava power.
[1:27:12] SPEAKER_05: Is that is that good?
[1:27:15] SPEAKER_04: No, but what I'm saying is if you're testing every four weeks, like you have to have a not D training, but you have to rest into a test, right?
[1:27:23] SPEAKER_04: Like if you want it to be valid.
[1:27:26] SPEAKER_04: Um so if the more testing you're doing, you've got to rest.
[1:27:29] SPEAKER_04: And like if I did three FTP tests this week, like they'd all be different numbers, right?
[1:27:35] SPEAKER_04: Like and they could vary by 30 watts because of different levels of fatigue.
[1:27:40] SPEAKER_00: Vicky, you're an Olympic medalist, you're a you're a trifle world champion.
[1:27:44] SPEAKER_00: What would have been the most times in a single calendar year that you did maximal testing?
[1:27:50] SPEAKER_02: One.
[1:27:51] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:27:51] SPEAKER_02: And many years zero.
[1:27:54] SPEAKER_02: We didn't often test a lot of a lot of years of my career.
[1:27:56] SPEAKER_02: We didn't test.
[1:27:57] SPEAKER_02: We didn't use we didn't, yeah, we didn't.
[1:28:00] SPEAKER_02: Didn't feel like we needed to use it.
[1:28:01] SPEAKER_02: We felt like we we knew enough from me just doing the training and my coach being there on pool side and in the sessions and with me the whole time.
[1:28:11] SPEAKER_02: But that's a that again is because I had the coach there with me.
[1:28:14] SPEAKER_02: That's a big benefit, I think, that a lot of people, especially age group athletes, won't have because they won't have their coach with them.
[1:28:21] SPEAKER_02: A lot of people are coached remotely.
[1:28:23] SPEAKER_02: But yeah, even without that, I I doubt I would have done more than one a year.
[1:28:27] SPEAKER_00: I still think a good remote coach, like a coach who's just looking at your training peaks, if they don't have too many athletes and they're invested in you, they can tell everything just as easily from having a conversation with you on the phone and looking at your training peaks.
[1:28:43] SPEAKER_00: They they honestly, and I've done both.
[1:28:45] SPEAKER_00: I've coached people um remotely and in person.
[1:28:49] SPEAKER_00: I think sometimes being there in person can like cloud your judgment because you're too close.
[1:28:54] SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's so much easier to make calls on people that you only text message and look at their training peaks.
[1:29:00] SPEAKER_00: You can be a lot more clear and objective about it, and it can be much easier to see the forest for the trees, but like more often than not.
[1:29:06] SPEAKER_00: So if a if a coach says to you, yeah, but I'm not there with you in person, so we need to do these testing, yeah, to me, it's that's a complete fallacy.
[1:29:14] SPEAKER_04: I have a controversial one.
[1:29:17] SPEAKER_04: The Norwegian method is a myth.
[1:29:20] SPEAKER_04: And like the Norwegian method, like basically it boils down to like training high volume, like controlled intensity, and testing, right?
[1:29:36] SPEAKER_04: But people have been doing that since the dawn of time.
[1:29:40] SPEAKER_04: Like what it's only just popular because like Christian, Gustav and Caspar are so good, Jakob Ingebritson, the Ingebritzen brothers, but they there I was reading an interview that Jakob Ingebritsen did the other day, and he they brought up the Norwegian method, and Ingebritsen said he doesn't even know what that means.
[1:29:59] SPEAKER_04: Like, it's just about training hard, man.
[1:30:02] SPEAKER_04: Like double threshold, like everyone, like triathletes have been doing two hard sessions a day since the dawn of time, right?
[1:30:11] SPEAKER_04: Like, I just think the Norwegian method is a myth.
[1:30:14] SPEAKER_02: Well, maybe that's the point.
[1:30:15] SPEAKER_02: Maybe we're not allowed to know what the actual Norwegian method entails because we're not Norwegian.
[1:30:20] SPEAKER_02: So therefore we can only ever guess.
[1:30:22] SPEAKER_04: You think Alistair Brownle wasn't doing double threshold?
[1:30:26] SPEAKER_04: Come on.
[1:30:26] SPEAKER_04: Should be the Alistair Brownley method.
[1:30:28] SPEAKER_02: I've got one more as well, which I'm not sure many people would like to hear, but my myth is that the best athletes or top elite athletes are healthy human beings.
[1:30:42] SPEAKER_02: And I mean that in pretty much every sense of the word.
[1:30:47] SPEAKER_02: I think there is a moderate level of everything in this world that is good for you.
[1:30:52] SPEAKER_02: And when you are training 30 hours a week, it's actually not that good for you.
[1:30:57] SPEAKER_02: You're admitted doing a lot of damage to your body.
[1:31:00] SPEAKER_02: The things we eat, the amount of sugar we have to consume, not that healthy.
[1:31:05] SPEAKER_02: Conversely, the obsessions that we have over every little detail of our training, or in fact, the food that we consume is not healthy.
[1:31:15] SPEAKER_02: The way we are so consumed by this one element of our life, sport, and performing at all costs, that's not particularly healthy.
[1:31:24] SPEAKER_02: So while I you know, I'm not putting out a very good advert here for professional triathlon, am I?
[1:31:29] SPEAKER_02: But um, while I loved my career as a professional athlete, I would argue you are not actually the most healthy, balanced person in any way as a professional athlete.
[1:31:40] SPEAKER_02: And actually, amateur athletes are way more, way more healthy human beings than we are.
[1:31:45] SPEAKER_00: And my last one is that being a chameleon is bad as an athlete or a coach.
[1:31:51] SPEAKER_00: So when it comes to your triathlon career, whether you're an age grouper or a professional, I think you want to find your people.
[1:32:00] SPEAKER_00: I think you shouldn't be shape-shifting who you are to suit the people you're surrounded by.
[1:32:04] SPEAKER_00: So if you're an athlete and you're with a team or you're with a group of training partners, or you're with a coach and you don't feel like you can be yourself, then that's the wrong group or team or group of training partners for you or coach for you.
[1:32:19] SPEAKER_00: And if you're a coach and you're so obsessed with money and having as many athletes as possible that you try and appease your athlete by being a different version of yourself for whoever you're coaching, I think that's the wrong thing to do.
[1:32:33] SPEAKER_00: I think ultimately, if you're going to be the best athlete you can be, or the best coach you can be in a sport as all-encompassing and obsessive as triathlon, you have to be yourself.
[1:32:45] SPEAKER_00: Now, we've seen examples of that in the professional world.
[1:32:48] SPEAKER_00: And I know that some people, you know, he who must not be named.
[1:32:51] SPEAKER_00: If you look at Brett Sutton, he's unapologetically himself.
[1:32:54] SPEAKER_00: Now, some of that is not great.
[1:32:57] SPEAKER_00: I think we can all admit that.
[1:32:59] SPEAKER_00: But he is unapologetically himself, and it gets him results because while he might not be right for everyone, and honestly, might not be right for the my majority of people, the minority of people that he is right for, he gets results with because they just work together.
[1:33:16] SPEAKER_00: So don't think about oh, that person's the best coach, or that person that's the best training group, or that person is better than me, so I've got to copy what they do.
[1:33:25] SPEAKER_00: No, be yourself, find what works for you, find the people that work for you, and that's how you'll get the most out of your career, whether you're an age grouper or a professional.
[1:33:35] SPEAKER_04: Shall we uh wrap up with some Spotify comments?
[1:33:38] SPEAKER_04: I'll just take this first one.
[1:33:39] SPEAKER_04: Keith Murphy, the irony of Greg Harper, the biggest Hayden Wilde fan or hater, doing the most Hayden Wilde move of yelling at an official about the swim is not lost on me.
[1:33:51] SPEAKER_04: And uh, you know, Keith, I really quite liked that one.
[1:33:54] SPEAKER_00: I love that one.
[1:33:56] SPEAKER_00: It's so true.
[1:33:58] SPEAKER_00: I think Greg actually he called out Hayden for yelling at an official at T100 Dubai.
[1:34:04] SPEAKER_04: And he's just like, this poor official is just doing their job, you know.
[1:34:07] SPEAKER_04: They didn't know they had no control.
[1:34:10] SPEAKER_05: He's like okay, let me let me just read this next comment.
[1:34:14] SPEAKER_05: I witnessed Greg's plea with the official in transition.
[1:34:17] SPEAKER_05: This is by Jacob Green.
[1:34:19] SPEAKER_05: He was respectful, but definitely upset, and Iron Man were not having it at all.
[1:34:23] SPEAKER_05: I went to ask the ref a question, and the woman official said, Sorry, I can't hear you.
[1:34:28] SPEAKER_05: This guy's yelling at us.
[1:34:30] SPEAKER_00: Truthfully, talking about you.
[1:34:33] SPEAKER_05: I I understand that, but um, that woman was actually treated me with what I thought disrespect, and I was just trying to have a conversation.
[1:34:40] SPEAKER_05: And she asked if I wanted to, if uh someone's death was going to be on my conscience, and I thought that was quite unprofessional of her, to be honest, because I'm not even talking about the H-green bracing.
[1:34:49] SPEAKER_05: I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what's happening here.
[1:34:51] SPEAKER_05: So I actually thought I was quite respectful when I was talking in a voice like this, trying to come to uh I just wanted a clarity, and there was no raising of my voice.
[1:34:59] SPEAKER_02: Were your eyes as wide as they are right now?
[1:35:02] SPEAKER_05: Yes, yes, because that there's there's a lot of anger and frustration.
[1:35:06] SPEAKER_02: I can see why she may have felt intimidated.
[1:35:09] SPEAKER_05: She wasn't part of the conversation.
[1:35:12] SPEAKER_00: She did feel like you were yelling at her though, Greg.
[1:35:16] SPEAKER_00: And like Vicky said, even if it wasn't with your voice, your eyes were just yelling at us then, and I felt intimidated.
[1:35:24] SPEAKER_04: His voice was calm, but you could tell it was like cracking a little bit, like he really wanted to scream.
[1:35:30] SPEAKER_02: Really trying to keep it under control, guys.
[1:35:34] SPEAKER_00: People might not be able to tell this, but we've been looking at Greg this whole episode, and he has a deep rage in his eyes at the moment.
[1:35:43] SPEAKER_00: Like he is angry, and he hasn't recovered from this run-in with said official.
[1:35:48] SPEAKER_00: He's been angry for a couple of weeks now.
[1:35:50] SPEAKER_05: It's really weighing on me.
[1:35:51] SPEAKER_02: Is this why your uh your your uh momentum has hit a wall?
[1:35:57] SPEAKER_02: Is it all coming back or all routes leading back to this argument with the official?
[1:36:02] SPEAKER_05: Well, I think the Gulf Coast in general.
[1:36:04] SPEAKER_05: Um, but yeah.
[1:36:05] SPEAKER_02: We need to work through some stuff.
[1:36:07] SPEAKER_05: I I that's why I asked if you guys had a few hours after the park to hang out.
[1:36:11] SPEAKER_05: Like that wasn't a joke.
[1:36:12] SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna go to the pool.
[1:36:14] SPEAKER_04: Sorry, Greg.
[1:36:15] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sorry, you go to bed.
[1:36:17] SPEAKER_00: It is funny because Greg, you messaged me the day before the race at Golf Coast, and you were like, I feel so good.
[1:36:23] SPEAKER_00: I like I'm just I've got so much momentum.
[1:36:26] SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna have a really great race.
[1:36:28] SPEAKER_00: And I honestly feel like the swim and the argument with this official was the tipping point.
[1:36:36] SPEAKER_00: You were so happy, life was so good, everything was going well, up until you let yourself get involved in this argument before the swim start.
[1:36:46] SPEAKER_00: And your life has just been deteriorating ever since this argument.
[1:36:49] SPEAKER_02: Jack, Jack, I think you're gonna make him cry.
[1:36:51] SPEAKER_02: Stop.
[1:36:52] SPEAKER_05: Hey, you gotta laugh through it.
[1:36:55] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, seriously, we we all want to help, mate.
[1:36:58] SPEAKER_00: We just we're all a bit busy after the podcast.
[1:37:00] SPEAKER_00: Um Jacko Ponton says, honestly, the favourite part of my work week is listening to these four banter.
[1:37:08] SPEAKER_00: I thought that was a nice comment.
[1:37:09] SPEAKER_04: That is that is nice.
[1:37:10] SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Jack.
[1:37:11] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thank you, Jacko.
[1:37:13] SPEAKER_00: Sorry about Greg this week.
[1:37:14] SPEAKER_02: I don't know how to read this.
[1:37:16] SPEAKER_02: Tuna Tuna Risby said, Too much WTCS.
[1:37:21] SPEAKER_02: Need to reduce it before it takes roots on the podcast.
[1:37:24] SPEAKER_02: You are not welcome here if you will not listen to my short clause chat.
[1:37:29] SPEAKER_02: I will get it involved.
[1:37:31] SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna keep on plugging it, guys, so it's here to stay.
[1:37:34] SPEAKER_04: There was actually this one is not in the show notes, but I did read this one about the there was an offended fan that left a comment and he felt it was disrespectful the ticking time clock.
[1:37:46] SPEAKER_04: And he said he said he's unfollowing the podcast.
[1:37:50] SPEAKER_04: So um so funny.
[1:37:52] SPEAKER_05: I don't remember his name cracking up.
[1:37:55] SPEAKER_04: I don't remember his name, but I'm sorry we've lost you as a listener, but it was all in good fun.
[1:37:59] SPEAKER_00: I definitely started talking faster when I heard the clocks like you could tell that you could not concentrate on what you were saying with the clock noise behind you.
[1:38:12] SPEAKER_02: So that was really mean, Jack.
[1:38:13] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was funny though.
[1:38:15] SPEAKER_04: Um all right, JWS says unrelated fact, Apo has a Wikipedia page in both German and French, but not in English.
[1:38:23] SPEAKER_04: Come on, Australia, give the man some love.
[1:38:26] SPEAKER_04: And um I don't know who wrote that Wikipedia page, to be honest, but I was also aware of that.
[1:38:31] SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, I don't know who wrote it, and it's actually got my well, the last time I checked, which was a couple of years ago, had my date of birth wrong.
[1:38:38] SPEAKER_04: It was like 1994, but I'm a 1990, so it was actually kindly making me younger than I am.
[1:38:45] SPEAKER_04: But um yeah.
[1:38:47] SPEAKER_00: I I want to make it my personal mission by the next time we do a group podcast, I'll have an English Sam Appleton triathlete page made.
[1:38:55] SPEAKER_00: And I'm hoping you can just put whatever the fuck you want on that, because that's gonna be a fun thing to do if you can.
[1:39:01] SPEAKER_00: Um, Guy Gaspari says spot on about Paula.
[1:39:05] SPEAKER_00: If you listen to TTL, which is that triathlon life, which is Paula and Eric's podcast, it never seems like she's happy in this sport.
[1:39:14] SPEAKER_00: Kind of sad because she's such a good athlete, and we all hope she figures it out.
[1:39:18] SPEAKER_00: Now, uh what that that comment, it's not even about the comment why why we've got this one here.
[1:39:24] SPEAKER_00: What I want to do is get the TTL and TTH groups together for a mega podcast.
[1:39:30] SPEAKER_00: So, Paula, if you're listening, Eric, if you're listening, Eric won't be listening, he'll be out in his mountain bike doing some uh hippie stuff.
[1:39:37] SPEAKER_00: But Paula, Paula actually does like the sport and is a fan of the sport, despite how that that feels, guy.
[1:39:42] SPEAKER_00: And she will listen.
[1:39:43] SPEAKER_00: So um Paula, if you want, I think the the group of us should get together and do it an episode of TTL, TTL times the TTH group podcast.
[1:39:53] SPEAKER_00: I think that would be fun.
[1:39:54] SPEAKER_02: Mark Row 14 said, I think the pod has boosted Zorganotti's ego, and he is a man on the f on fire this year.
[1:40:02] SPEAKER_02: And that is that is the point I was making last week.
[1:40:05] SPEAKER_02: I think the attention we brought to the people's champion has really lit a fire under him, and he's really keen to live up to that that title this year, and he really is a man on fire.
[1:40:15] SPEAKER_02: So how can I I mean I called it last week early, he could be our contender of the year this year, guys.
[1:40:21] SPEAKER_04: I will say I've I've been impressed with his results.
[1:40:24] SPEAKER_04: Like the Zorg Notty thing like started out as like a joke, and you know, we ranked the country last, and then but he's actually come through and he's raced pretty well the two races that he did in the US.
[1:40:37] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, shout out the Zorgmeister.
[1:40:40] SPEAKER_05: And I saw him in person, he's got this like little swagger about him, and I was like, Oh, this guy, like he just kind of walked around, he had these sick shades on.
[1:40:46] SPEAKER_05: He put them, he walked outside after the pro meeting, like tossed on his shades, and Ari and I went up to him.
[1:40:52] SPEAKER_05: We're like, Zorgnati, Zorgnati.
[1:40:54] SPEAKER_05: He's like, Oh, hey, yeah, Ari and Greg, that's right.
[1:40:56] SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you guys are the TTH boys.
[1:40:57] SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm Benjamin Zorgnati.
[1:40:59] SPEAKER_05: I'm like, yes, and then he put out his hand and he made his kisses uh rings.
[1:41:04] SPEAKER_05: It was crazy, but like anyway, he's got some swag about him this year, so we're big Zorg fans.
[1:41:08] SPEAKER_00: Is there a world where he becomes the enemy of the show in 2026?
[1:41:15] SPEAKER_00: Now, hear me out.
[1:41:16] SPEAKER_00: Right now, he's the king of the show, he he's the king of Tahiti, but I feel like this is kind of getting to Zorg Naughty, like maybe he's developing a little bit of arrogance, a little bit of ego.
[1:41:29] SPEAKER_00: The sunglasses, the aviators are new.
[1:41:31] SPEAKER_00: He never used to wear aviators, now he full-time wears aviators even inside.
[1:41:36] SPEAKER_00: His performances are through the roof right now.
[1:41:39] SPEAKER_00: I fear that if Zorg Naughty gets a big win, he might become too big for this podcast, and we might have to make him enemy of the show in 2026.
[1:41:47] SPEAKER_04: I think we need to bring him down a peg.
[1:41:48] SPEAKER_04: Watch this space.
[1:41:52] SPEAKER_02: We're like the press.
[1:41:53] SPEAKER_02: You love to build people up and you love to tear them right back down again.
[1:41:57] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we should do a hit hit piece on Zorg Naughty on the next podcast.
[1:42:01] SPEAKER_00: We just list everything we hate about Benjamin Zorg Notti.
[1:42:05] SPEAKER_05: Alright, last comment from Bianca.
[1:42:08] SPEAKER_05: Jack, FYI.
[1:42:09] SPEAKER_05: It's not called babysitting when you're looking after your own kid.
[1:42:13] SPEAKER_05: Greg was on dad duty.
[1:42:14] SPEAKER_02: I'm really pleased that you read that one.
[1:42:16] SPEAKER_05: You should sit.
[1:42:17] SPEAKER_05: Honestly, Bianca, the the shit that Jack says behind the scenes about our kids would shock you.
[1:42:22] SPEAKER_05: He'd be like, oh, you're little, oh, you know, I don't know.
[1:42:25] SPEAKER_02: He calls your kid a boy all the time.
[1:42:28] SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he's like, take the little bloke to the park.
[1:42:30] SPEAKER_05: I'm like, it's a girl, man.
[1:42:35] SPEAKER_02: You know what?
[1:42:36] SPEAKER_02: When you when you even said it at the moment you said it on the podcast last week, I had to bite my tongue.
[1:42:42] SPEAKER_02: I was like, it's not babysitting when it's your child, Jack.
[1:42:47] SPEAKER_02: Seriously.
[1:42:49] SPEAKER_00: Well, not for you, it's not Vicky, but you're the mum.
[1:42:51] SPEAKER_00: Greg's the dad.
[1:42:52] SPEAKER_00: So for him, it's definitely babysitting.
[1:42:54] SPEAKER_00: Whoa.
[1:42:55] SPEAKER_02: Okay, me and you can fall out here.
[1:42:57] SPEAKER_00: Apo always babysits his little boy Tony.
[1:43:01] SPEAKER_04: No, I'm one of those new age dads.
[1:43:03] SPEAKER_04: I'm invested.
[1:43:04] SPEAKER_04: Vicki's a trad wife, so I'm a trad husband.
[1:43:10] SPEAKER_00: Also, the the joke there is Apo's son is actually called Toby, not Tony.
[1:43:14] SPEAKER_00: I do pay attention.
[1:43:17] SPEAKER_00: No, it's just I don't have kids, and I now have three three of my good friends who I talk to every week who get on the podcast and they start talking about their kids.
[1:43:25] SPEAKER_00: So I'm like that like left, like left out child who just needs to remind people that, hey, I'm still here, I still want to talk about other stuff.
[1:43:32] SPEAKER_00: So I bring down their kids as a way of trying to get them to stop talking about them so that I can still feel a part of things.
[1:43:39] SPEAKER_00: It comes from Just think about what you said then.
[1:43:41] SPEAKER_02: You you bring down our kids.
[1:43:44] SPEAKER_00: Deep insecurity and deep jealousy on my part.
[1:43:48] SPEAKER_04: Do you know one time Jack Jack asked me to change my WhatsApp profile picture because it was a photo of me and Toby?
[1:43:55] SPEAKER_04: And he didn't he didn't like it.
[1:44:00] SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it wasn't a picture of you and Toby, it was just of Toby.
[1:44:08] SPEAKER_00: It was just a selfie of Toby as he's like, come on.
[1:44:11] SPEAKER_00: I get it, I get loving your kids, I get it, it's important.
[1:44:14] SPEAKER_00: And we are just joking.
[1:44:15] SPEAKER_00: I am a big family man at heart, and anyone who knows me knows that.
[1:44:19] SPEAKER_00: But I don't think you should lose your identity and make your profile picture of your kid.
[1:44:24] SPEAKER_00: I think it should stay as you and your kid or just you.
[1:44:29] SPEAKER_00: Should we wrap up by doing our best on ground votes live?
[1:44:32] SPEAKER_00: Who wants to who wants to do the voting this week?
[1:44:34] SPEAKER_00: Maybe it was Vicky last week.
[1:44:35] SPEAKER_00: So, Apo, did we want to bestow the honour on you of uh of doing the the best to worst?
[1:44:42] SPEAKER_00: So start with best on ground and progress through to to worst on ground.
[1:44:45] SPEAKER_04: I think Vicky was the best as per.
[1:44:48] SPEAKER_04: Thanks.
[1:44:50] SPEAKER_02: I thought I was crap this week.
[1:44:53] SPEAKER_04: Jack, you were second best.
[1:44:54] SPEAKER_04: You're the um you're the foundation of this podcast.
[1:44:57] SPEAKER_04: You're the the glue that holds it all together.
[1:45:00] SPEAKER_04: I am a little bit disappointed in my own performance.
[1:45:03] SPEAKER_04: I'll rank myself third.
[1:45:05] SPEAKER_04: And that that that just leaves Gregory Robert Harper in fourth as W O G.
[1:45:18] SPEAKER_02: Not the look week in a row, Greg.
[1:45:24] SPEAKER_03: He's so angry.
[1:45:26] SPEAKER_03: He's got nothing to say.
[1:45:27] SPEAKER_04: There was no choice.
[1:45:28] SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry, Greg.
[1:45:30] SPEAKER_05: Is that the end of the votes?
[1:45:31] SPEAKER_05: Are we out?
[1:45:31] SPEAKER_05: Or do we all vote?
[1:45:32] SPEAKER_00: Just Apo voting today.
[1:45:34] SPEAKER_00: Um Thanks everyone for tuning in to another week of the choice body outfit.
[1:45:40] SPEAKER_00: We might not be back with the Apo, Greg.
[1:45:44] SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, we do it all again next time.
[1:45:47] SPEAKER_02: It might have not great.

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