# Casper Stornes - Inside The Training Of The Ironman World Champion

An episode of [The Triathlon Hour](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1595443343), 10 May 2026, 1 h 41 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2640942/episodes/19697970-casper-stornes-inside-the-training-of-the-ironman-world-champion.mp3

The current Ironman World Champion Casper Stornes joins Jack for the first time! They discuss the training Casper did with Kristian Blummenfelt & Gustav Iden in the lead up to winning the Ironman World title as well as going inside the race with stories we guarantee you haven't heard before. Casper talks very openly about everything he has been doing in training this year, his diet, his competitors and a few secrets he hasn't shared before. If you want a podcast that takes you inside the mind of a world champion, where you can tell he's not hiding anything, this is the one. Try NOMIO for yourself. Discount code - TTH15 (for 15% off). In Europe - https://drinknomio.com In America - go to thefeed.com and search “Nomio” In Australia - go to aidstation.com.au and search “Nomio” Precision Fuel & Hydration: Use the code TTH26 to get 15% off your first order with Precision at Precision Fuel & Hydration Lever Movement: Use the massive discount code TTH for 20% off your Lever system, just google "Lever Movement" to find their website. Pillar Performance: Use the discount code TTH15 to get 15% off your first order with Pillar Performance at their website or if you're in North America use the TTH15 discount code at The Feed.

## Transcript

[0:28] SPEAKER_00: It feels like it's been Norwegian month here on the Trithon hour, starting out with Christian Blumenfeld, then we had Solve Lofteth come on, and now finally the big dog of all of the Norwegians, the king of the Norwegians, Kaspar Stornes joins us on the podcast, the 2025 Iron Man World Champion.
[0:44] SPEAKER_00: Kasper, welcome.
[0:45] SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
[0:46] SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I'm the king, but uh yeah, I'm at least Norwegian.
[0:52] SPEAKER_00: Mate, as it stands right now, when you've got the title, you have to be the king, don't you?
[0:56] SPEAKER_00: Like 2022, Gustav was the king.
[0:58] SPEAKER_00: 2021, Christian was the king.
[1:00] SPEAKER_00: Now you're the king.
[1:01] SPEAKER_00: It's just your turn.
[1:03] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[1:04] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[1:04] SPEAKER_01: Maybe I am, but uh yeah, it's gonna be hard to defend it later.
[1:09] SPEAKER_01: So uh but yeah, I'm uh I'm up for the challenge.
[1:12] SPEAKER_00: I want to talk about that in great detail.
[1:14] SPEAKER_00: That might be the thing I'm most interested in of anything I want to talk to you about, is not what you've done, even though I want to get into that and all the training that led up to your results last year and early this year, but I'm super interested in hearing about what you're gonna do to defend your title because I think the 2026 showdown at Kona between yourself, Christian, Gustav, and you know, a lot of other people, Sam Laidlow, Jonas Schomberg, Yellow Geans, it's gonna be one for the ages.
[1:40] SPEAKER_00: So we'll get into that later on in the podcast.
[1:42] SPEAKER_00: But let's go back in time, Casper, and let's talk about Nice.
[1:46] SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you were no one's favorite going into that race.
[1:49] SPEAKER_00: Christian and and probably some other some other people outside of the nest, like Martin Van Riel and Sam Laidlow, what were the big favourites?
[1:57] SPEAKER_00: Were you confident going into that race based on the training you'd been doing alongside Christian and um Gustav that you could get the job done and become the Iron Man world champion?
[2:08] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I knew I could win.
[2:10] SPEAKER_01: So I felt the only one that could actually beat me that day, if uh yeah, were Christian or Gustav uh and maybe Patrick if he were there.
[2:24] SPEAKER_01: But I felt like uh yeah, me, Christian and Gustav had been on another level, especially on the run uh last year.
[2:33] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, and I felt it would most likely be a running race.
[2:38] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, but I felt overall I felt stronger and stronger during uh the season.
[2:44] SPEAKER_01: I felt I build build my uh yeah shape and everything just yeah got better and better.
[2:50] SPEAKER_01: And the pre-camp in Tunis, I just felt you could basically throw everything at me and I uh could adapt.
[2:59] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I were quite conf confident, but I knew Christian has been so dominate dominating the whole season, so actually also scratching my head on how I'm gonna beat him.
[3:12] SPEAKER_01: So uh, but yeah, I had an amazing day and managed to to take the victory.
[3:18] SPEAKER_00: In these training sessions that you were doing that made you feel like yourself, Christian and Gustav were on another level to everybody else, particularly on the run.
[3:28] SPEAKER_00: Did you ever have a day leading up to the world championships where you got the better of Christian and Gustav and you thought, oh, maybe I can do it.
[3:36] SPEAKER_00: This is how I'm gonna do it, and I can do it on the run.
[3:39] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I felt I were yeah, good enough to run uh sub 230, and I had like I actually got to do everything I wanted to do from Frankfurt to Nice in terms of training, and I just felt like I build yeah, the shape just got so good, and the pre-camp and everything was really good.
[3:59] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, the last two two brick sessions or the super Sundays, as we have, uh just clicked very good, and uh yeah, I target the pace I wanted to do, and it felt really easy.
[4:12] SPEAKER_01: Of course, it's something different in a race, but uh yeah, they are uh those sessions are close up to what we do in uh in a race, unless like it's a little bit lower volume, but still like it's a good stimuli for the for the race pace and everything.
[4:30] SPEAKER_01: So um yeah, I'm quite confident that I will run sub two or yeah, close to sub uh 230.
[4:39] SPEAKER_00: I'm obsessed with these super Sundays, or sometimes they're super sat days, just depending on the year of the race that you guys do and have done since pretty much Kona 2022 was the first time I noticed it.
[4:51] SPEAKER_00: And so last year when we were doing the daily podcast up to Nice, we talked about the the sessions you guys did in the two weekends leading up to it.
[4:59] SPEAKER_00: Maybe even like a creepy amount, we talked about them.
[5:02] SPEAKER_00: They were a big fascination to us.
[5:04] SPEAKER_00: Can you remind everyone what the last two weekends of sessions that you did were, like with details about the rides and the runs that you did?
[5:12] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we did uh yeah, we have a standard program usually.
[5:17] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, Monday and Fridays is half rest days, a little bit longer than typically.
[5:24] SPEAKER_01: So we do four and a half K in a pool and then one hour 15, 1 hour 30 run.
[5:32] SPEAKER_01: And then if you feel good, you put in uh a bike.
[5:36] SPEAKER_01: I usually do strength and then maybe a bike.
[5:39] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, uh, and then the other days is interval swim bike Tuesday, run Thursday, and then it's uh hard swim on Saturday, and uh then the super Sunday when we get close to the competition, but yeah, and the other days or the other sessions is just easy and then yeah, get a high volume.
[6:01] SPEAKER_01: But when we come into that period, you try to more be fresh for the hard days, and yeah, get that, or maybe go a little bit lower on volume, so you are a little bit more fresher, but not like completely down, but it's like yeah, a little bit more down in volume, so you are fresh enough for the uh super Sundays, and then target the super Sundays as good as possible, and then also the other interval session we do are a little bit shorter than typical, so we are yeah, then fresh for Sundays.
[6:35] SPEAKER_00: And can you remind us what the last two super Sundays you did leading into winning the IMAN World Championships at Nice last year were and and maybe why they gave you so much confidence in particular?
[6:45] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was then we did uh basic or the whole loop in Nice uh for the bike, uh except of the flat part uh since we were living up in um in Vance.
[7:00] SPEAKER_01: So uh then we just basically started on a course, did five minutes easy, and then straight on.
[7:06] SPEAKER_01: So we lived five-six minutes from the long hill.
[7:10] SPEAKER_01: So then we just did warm up to there and then we started, uh, and then the whole loop, and then uh short break at home and straight to the 3x9k.
[7:23] SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, I just felt very good during the bike and also for the run.
[7:31] SPEAKER_01: So of course it gets like it's also a little bit tough, but like I felt like in so good shape there that yeah, when it starts when it gets a little bit tough, it's not as it's not feeling the same as when you are in January, February volume shape.
[7:49] SPEAKER_01: Now it's more like uh yeah, it just feels like on a bike it's like basically having no chain on, like it just everything goes and then on the run it's just like yeah, cruising 330, 325 pace.
[8:05] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[8:06] SPEAKER_00: I remember you talking about these, I don't remember where you talked about them.
[8:09] SPEAKER_00: It might have just been on like some Iron Man interviews or something like that, um, around the time of the race, and you you you said that Christian was riding very well and and pushing the pace because a lot of people kind of were questioning whether the course suited Christian, and you were like, no, like he's he's been uh making the the the bikes really hard.
[8:29] SPEAKER_00: And I feel like the the runs that you do as part of the Super Sundays, like the 3x9k, for example, they get a lot of talking about.
[8:38] SPEAKER_00: So everyone knows what they are, and we know that you precede them by doing a long ride, but you guys don't really talk in detail about the rides that you do as much as the runs, or maybe the runs are just like the flashy thing that everyone focuses on.
[8:52] SPEAKER_00: So, with those rides, the the 170-ish K rides you were doing before the the three by nine K, what do you actually do?
[9:01] SPEAKER_00: Like, like take me inside that long ride and and what does it have intervals?
[9:06] SPEAKER_00: How hard is the easy stuff?
[9:07] SPEAKER_00: What what's it look like?
[9:09] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, like I said, like the first five-10 minutes is just easy, get into it, and then when we start, we do we did like threshold up the hills and then steady LT1 on the flats, like try to have a race simulation-ish, and then yeah, try to do the technical part as we will do in uh the competition.
[9:33] SPEAKER_01: So then we we also took on uh race wheels and tri suit and helmets to like do as as race specific as possible, and then we also mix the nutrition as we would do in the competition, yeah.
[9:46] SPEAKER_01: And then uh yeah, we do the bike, it's basically hard for the or steady and then hard in the hills so for the whole loop.
[9:57] SPEAKER_01: So it's a bit demanding session, so you're gonna be to have a little bit of fatigue when you get into the run, but still we get a little bit of break since we you need to pack things, and then we need to drive over to where we're gonna run, and then yeah, so that takes a little bit of time, so you get a little bit of break, but then yeah, it's still like a long day, so you're out for four hours on a bike, maybe a little bit more, and then uh two and a half hour on a run.
[10:27] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's a long day.
[10:29] SPEAKER_00: When you're out there actually during the race on the bike and doing the course, is it harder than the rides that you do on those super Sundays where you do the course?
[10:40] SPEAKER_00: Like, how do they compare to each other in terms of difficulty?
[10:44] SPEAKER_01: I feel it's probably maybe harder in training.
[10:49] SPEAKER_01: Since in races you kind of just follow the pack, and then also you have a little bit of adrenaline and it's race, and you are you're doing more coffee, and yeah, things are yeah, do you have a little bit percentage more of uh yeah with the race and yeah, coffee and this race dynamic in general, so uh then you go a little bit over, maybe, or yeah.
[11:17] SPEAKER_01: It it gets a little bit different, so yeah, I feel the training is more harder than the race.
[11:24] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[11:26] SPEAKER_00: And like I touched about about how you had been the one telling people about how good Christian wasn't on the bike at the time.
[11:32] SPEAKER_00: When you were doing those sessions, was it Christian that was pushing more and you and Gustav holding on, or was it you pushing more, or was it Gustav pushing more?
[11:41] SPEAKER_00: Like, talk to me about the dynamic of you three and who in general was fitter and stronger on the bike in training leading into the world champs.
[11:51] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
[11:51] SPEAKER_01: Christian were pushing the bike all the time.
[11:55] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, he he were pulling the most, I would say.
[11:59] SPEAKER_01: Uh and then we tried to help where we could.
[12:03] SPEAKER_01: So the only yeah, on the last Sunday before the race, then yeah, he needed he had a bit bad day.
[12:12] SPEAKER_01: So then me and Gusta were sharing the work in the front.
[12:15] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, it was mix of uh maybe a bit bad feelings the day before for everyone, I think.
[12:22] SPEAKER_01: So everyone were a little bit low on energy there, but yeah, he were 90 80-90% of the session he were pulling.
[12:29] SPEAKER_01: Uh it was going fast enough, so yeah.
[12:33] SPEAKER_01: I tried to not blow myself either uh in the training.
[12:37] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, he were very strong on the bike in training and in general at that time.
[12:44] SPEAKER_00: And that first climb, the kind of main climb on the Iron Man World Championships course in Nice, I don't know um how long I don't actually don't know what uh you guys did it on in on race day, but it's you know, for for everyone at home, it's basically a 50-60 minute style climb.
[13:00] SPEAKER_00: It's a it's not very steep.
[13:01] SPEAKER_00: It's like you can you can be in TT position for a lot of it if you really want to be.
[13:05] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[13:05] SPEAKER_00: When you were doing that climb in training as part of these rides, were were there ever any days on that climb where Christian dropped you and Gustav or or like where you know maybe one of you two dropped like the other, like you dropped Gustav, or Gus Gustav dropped you, or did you always stay together on it?
[13:23] SPEAKER_00: So you didn't actually know on race day who could do it the fastest?
[13:28] SPEAKER_01: Uh we were uh being together for every sessions.
[13:32] SPEAKER_01: Like the only was the last Sunday into the race, then yeah, we all were a bit low on energy.
[13:40] SPEAKER_01: So then Christian, he had a yeah, a bit worse day than me and Gustav, so then we dropped him.
[13:46] SPEAKER_01: Uh, but yeah, that was not because of his shape, it was just because of the fueling we had some days before.
[13:53] SPEAKER_01: So that wasn't the plan.
[13:55] SPEAKER_01: It was just like we had a bit bad fueling, everyone.
[13:58] SPEAKER_01: So we all felt a little bit rubbish.
[14:00] SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, I managed to get through the session there.
[14:03] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, typically it's been like Christian pushing in the hills, and then we tried to help in the on the flats.
[14:12] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah.
[14:13] SPEAKER_00: And do you have power targets when you're out there riding like that?
[14:16] SPEAKER_00: Like when you're pushing up the hills and when you're riding LT1 for the rest of it.
[14:21] SPEAKER_00: Do you guys know, okay, when we go up the climb, we're gonna ride, you know, this amount of watts, and then when we're on the flats, we're gonna ride this amount of watts, or do you just go by feeling once you get out there?
[14:31] SPEAKER_01: Then it was uh we were laying or pushing between 350 around 350 average, maybe?
[14:39] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, 320 to 350.
[14:41] SPEAKER_01: I were at that range, Kristen a little bit higher, Gustav at the same pace or power as me.
[14:47] SPEAKER_01: So uh, and then on the flats between 280 to 310.
[14:53] SPEAKER_01: So in in that range.
[14:56] SPEAKER_00: Was that average pale or normalized pale?
[14:58] SPEAKER_01: Uh average.
[14:59] SPEAKER_01: So then uh I was lapping for yeah, for every hill, and then looked at the power, and uh on the flats I also leapt.
[15:08] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah.
[15:09] SPEAKER_01: So then when we came to the top, we didn't like just push straight over, but it was like yeah, two minutes and then into it again, like on Lt1, and so it was basically non-stop.
[15:21] SPEAKER_01: So it was more like if someone is dropped, then we all could cycle together from the top.
[15:26] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but basically we were everyone together, so yeah.
[15:30] SPEAKER_00: I love that you use average power as well.
[15:32] SPEAKER_00: I'm not a fan of normalized power.
[15:34] SPEAKER_00: I think people just say it to make their power look higher than it is.
[15:37] SPEAKER_00: Um on race day, do you remember what your what your average power was for the ride on race day?
[15:42] SPEAKER_01: Uh I think I had 258 in average, yeah.
[15:47] SPEAKER_01: So not so much, but uh yeah, I've been working a lot on my possession and everything.
[15:52] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[15:54] SPEAKER_01: I'm not the guy who pushes the most power, typically.
[15:59] SPEAKER_01: I'm more uh arrow.
[16:02] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[16:03] SPEAKER_00: And now talk to me about race day.
[16:05] SPEAKER_00: So kind of walk me through particularly the marathon battle.
[16:08] SPEAKER_00: And for those playing at home, Casper, who might not remember it, I assume almost everyone listening does remember it exactly, so this is probably pointless.
[16:15] SPEAKER_00: But basically, there was a group of you guys who came into T2 pretty much together and then got out in a run battle.
[16:22] SPEAKER_00: It was yourself, Christian, Gustav, um, Sam Laidlow, and Martin Van Riel.
[16:28] SPEAKER_00: And then obviously Christian and and Gustav broke away from everyone, including yourself.
[16:33] SPEAKER_00: And it looked like it was going to be Christian and Gustav fighting for the win to everyone watching.
[16:40] SPEAKER_00: But then you just ran your own race, you got dropped, you got back up, you got dropped, and then eventually got your way back up.
[16:46] SPEAKER_00: And and and about halfway through the marathon, um, you you were back with Christian and Gustav and looked looked fresher than all of them and and managed to drop them both um while while they battled it out for seconds.
[16:57] SPEAKER_00: So talk to me about how that run battle played out from your perspective.
[17:03] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I've been planning in forehand of yeah, which pace I was gonna do in yeah, between 335 to 325.
[17:15] SPEAKER_01: So I've been on the run sessions before targeting in that area to be as most efficient as possible on that pace.
[17:25] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I had a little bit poor transition, uh, and then I managed to run myself up, but then around I think it was around 8, 7, or 8k into the run.
[17:36] SPEAKER_01: Then Gustav started to put down the hammer, and then we were running like 315, 310 pace, and then they did it for a long time, I would say.
[17:46] SPEAKER_01: So then I followed a little bit, but then I was like, nah, I don't think uh I will run this pace uh and potentially blow myself up.
[17:58] SPEAKER_01: But so then I just eased off and went down to 335, 330 pace again and stayed there, and then I was thinking if I can lock the gap to around 30 seconds, as it was, like it stopped at around 30-35 seconds.
[18:12] SPEAKER_01: So then I was thinking, okay, if I keep it here and then uh at 10k to go, start to squeeze it down.
[18:19] SPEAKER_01: Since then I were thinking like they will probably attack each other and start to look at each other or maybe tire each other out.
[18:27] SPEAKER_01: So then I were planning to do just do the same pace until it was 10k to go and then run fast and chase.
[18:36] SPEAKER_01: But then when I came up, I felt like the then the pace was slower, so then we're running 340, 345, and then suddenly I were in the front again.
[18:47] SPEAKER_01: I was planning to just stay there until 10k to go.
[18:51] SPEAKER_01: But then when I was at the front, I was just like, okay, then we do my pace.
[18:55] SPEAKER_01: So I went down to 335, 330 again.
[18:57] SPEAKER_01: Then we dropped Gustav, and then um when we turned around at the airport on the way back, uh I was thinking it it was a when you come to the end of the airport, then it gets quite open again, and then you get the headwind.
[19:11] SPEAKER_01: So then I didn't want to have Christian in my back there since it has quite a lot to say in terms of drafting and saving energy to be there.
[19:19] SPEAKER_01: So then I squeezed the pace a little bit more down, and then uh I suddenly got a gap.
[19:24] SPEAKER_01: So I know Christian is so fast in the end, so then I need to play my cards also.
[19:30] SPEAKER_01: I know that he could also uh stick with me, but I needed to yeah, just try to drop him.
[19:38] SPEAKER_01: So when I got some meters, I just kept the pace for a little bit more, and then when I had a solid gap, I eased down again to 330, 335, and then the last lap uh yeah.
[19:52] SPEAKER_01: I uh I were never 100% sure where the others were, since uh you always you get some different timing, and I feel like yeah.
[20:04] SPEAKER_01: So then I still kept the pace until 2ks to go.
[20:09] SPEAKER_01: Then I eased down and try to enjoy when you come in where the barriers are, then it's like ish 2k to go, and then I kind of knew okay, now I will win.
[20:18] SPEAKER_01: So then uh yeah, it was just uh sick feeling to run there the last two K's and know that we're gonna win.
[20:28] SPEAKER_00: I was there in the crowd, and that crowd was the it it like it was massive that crowd in the last 2k.
[20:36] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[20:37] SPEAKER_00: I don't know if there's I I don't know if there's a bigger crowd in Triton on than that.
[20:40] SPEAKER_00: Like I know Roth looks big, but that crowd that you had for that last 2k at Nice was it was so loud.
[20:49] SPEAKER_00: Have you ever experienced a louder crowd than that in your time in Triton?
[20:52] SPEAKER_01: Uh no, never.
[20:54] SPEAKER_01: Like I've been thinking a bit like uh now after the race, like it was so much noise, and when we came out of that area, it was like you just heard the breathing and the footsteps.
[21:05] SPEAKER_01: And that's like that was really it was a sick, cool experience, but also very strange feeling to be in.
[21:13] SPEAKER_01: Like when we're running there with Gustav and Christian, when we came out of that area, you just hear the breathing and the footsteps.
[21:20] SPEAKER_01: And then you know that we we weren't talking or anything, we were quiet all the time, and we're just focusing on ourselves.
[21:28] SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, we try to during the race, if we can give each other space on a swim and bike, then we do it.
[21:34] SPEAKER_01: But when we come to the run, and especially in the end of the run, then it's like full race mode, and yeah, then then we are competitors for real.
[21:43] SPEAKER_01: So then coming to that area where you just hear the breathing and the footstep was yeah, yeah, strange feeling.
[21:51] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and I've been to a lot of triathlons in my in my life at this point, and I just remember being like I couldn't believe it.
[21:59] SPEAKER_00: I like I I was standing there watching you guys uh in that s in that point and just being jealous.
[22:05] SPEAKER_00: And I I'm not really a jealous person.
[22:07] SPEAKER_00: Like I don't really ever get jealous.
[22:09] SPEAKER_00: And uh that's why I remember it so much, because I was like, I wish I was Caspar, Gustav, or Christian right now.
[22:14] SPEAKER_00: Like I really, really felt deep jealousy because of how, like you said, sick that that whole area was.
[22:21] SPEAKER_00: And I can only imagine what it would have been like being the one winning that race down that finish line.
[22:26] SPEAKER_00: It was I don't reckon you'll ever have a better experience in your life in Trithlon.
[22:30] SPEAKER_00: Like I think that's it.
[22:31] SPEAKER_00: I think you've already you've reached the pinnacle now, even if you go and win at Kona.
[22:35] SPEAKER_00: I don't reckon it'll be as loud or as crazy as that.
[22:38] SPEAKER_00: Um, and something else that you said that's interesting there is that when you would come out of it, you would hear the breathing and the footsteps, and everything else was silent.
[22:46] SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to ask you about this.
[22:48] SPEAKER_00: I had forgotten to I'd forgotten about it until you just said that then.
[22:51] SPEAKER_00: But I was like running on the side of the course, so I'd like to run out and then come back in and did that so that I could watch more of the race.
[22:58] SPEAKER_00: And when you were running with Christian, it must have been I don't know, 20-something K into the run.
[23:04] SPEAKER_00: It was just you and Christian.
[23:05] SPEAKER_00: You dropped Gustav, and I'll never forget the difference in you two with how quiet you were and how loud Christian was.
[23:15] SPEAKER_00: Like, Christian was so loud with his breathing and like he was making like I don't know, like animalistic noises, and you were silent.
[23:23] SPEAKER_00: Is that something that is common with you guys?
[23:26] SPEAKER_00: Like, is is that is it just that Christian can push himself to a level that most people can't?
[23:31] SPEAKER_00: Because I I haven't heard much like that in my life, really.
[23:34] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he like sometimes it can be also a tactical move from him, so he can start breathing to trick us to do uh the work a little bit longer, so we uh that he pretends like he's struggling, but he's actually really good, so he does that sometimes.
[23:53] SPEAKER_01: Uh so I were thinking he might did it back then also, but I just try to focus on myself and uh yeah, focus on what I was gonna do and not focus so much on that.
[24:04] SPEAKER_01: So I did actually not hear that he was breathing so much, like I hear it sometimes, but like I tried to focus on myself, but yeah, yeah, he can push himself very far.
[24:16] SPEAKER_01: So um, but yeah, it's also different ways of pushing it.
[24:20] SPEAKER_01: Like I feel like I pushed myself quite far, but I feel I can push myself quite far if I'm in really good shape.
[24:29] SPEAKER_01: But then it's like you are in such a good shape that pushing kind of feels easy, if you understand.
[24:36] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, it's not easy, but like you get into a rhythm where the pain is like bearable and you can just do it for a longer time.
[24:48] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
[24:49] SPEAKER_00: I can relate to it, not on the same level, probably you can, but but I do I do relate on my own little level.
[24:56] SPEAKER_00: Um, you you do have days where you just feel like you're floating the fitter you are, even if it is quite hard.
[25:01] SPEAKER_00: Whereas it can be a much easier effort when you're unfit, and it feels like um, yeah, it feels like you're just killing yourself to do an easy run or an easy ride some days.
[25:10] SPEAKER_00: So I totally get that.
[25:11] SPEAKER_00: Um going back to the mind games, it that's such a funny thing that you've brought up because it's become folklore in Trithlon now, the Norwegian mind games that you play with your competitors, and you guys still deny it, but you guys have like it's just everyone knows it at this point.
[25:28] SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a new thing to hear that Christian is taking it to the the level of playing mind games with his own teammates.
[25:34] SPEAKER_00: Talk to me about that.
[25:35] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh he does that sometimes uh with us, but like we know that he does it.
[25:43] SPEAKER_01: So I haven't been always in the position to be there.
[25:46] SPEAKER_01: Gustav has been talking about it since yeah, a long time, like especially in uh Bahrain 2018 when he uh did it there, and Gustav starts walking in the aid station.
[25:58] SPEAKER_01: So, but you never know, like it could be true, also.
[26:02] SPEAKER_01: So he then you kind of get tricked into it.
[26:06] SPEAKER_01: So uh like you give yourself a small hope when he makes those sounds, but then he could also trick you, so um yeah, you never know.
[26:18] SPEAKER_00: So funny, that's so funny.
[26:20] SPEAKER_01: But I also tried to do it with uh Jonas now in Mabaya, so I also uh started made sounds and then he was pushing, and then he started to uh then he stopped a little bit and said we should uh share the work, but then I I couldn't hold myself back, so then I started smiling when he did that.
[26:40] SPEAKER_01: So I felt a little bit bad when I just 1k later put the hammer down, but then I was like, yeah, it's racing, and then uh yeah, but actually I felt quite I felt quite bad during the first lap on the run.
[26:53] SPEAKER_01: So then I just tried to put myself in a good position to secure the third spot, but then when then I was just deciding to go for it, and uh things were answering quite well, and then I'm like, yeah, yeah, then I should go then, and then I closed quite some time on Jelle and Christian, but I knew if I had got up, they would probably just yeah, run away.
[27:18] SPEAKER_01: And I think also Gustav there or Jelle tried to get Christian to the front, but then he said just like, nah, I have Casper behind chasing, so if you don't push, then he will get up, and then yeah.
[27:30] SPEAKER_01: But in that way we can also use each other in the race to also get good results, like if they don't push, then uh also then I would have got up, and it's a chance for me beating Yella or anyone else.
[27:46] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, we are uh lucky to be three guys in the field and could play that game.
[27:52] SPEAKER_00: This this is interesting because I remember that day as well very clearly.
[27:55] SPEAKER_00: I was on the side of the road, and I can't remember what kilometer marker it would have been, maybe like 15 or 16 kilometres, and you ran past me in third um with Christian and Yalla obviously out in front.
[28:08] SPEAKER_00: And I'd been taking splits all day.
[28:10] SPEAKER_00: I was in the same two places, and your splits were like at some points like um closer to 90 seconds, and then I saw you running kind of up the hill on that, like um, it's not like a highway, but it's like kind of an open road part.
[28:23] SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wow, he looks good.
[28:25] SPEAKER_00: And then I looked down at my phone on the splits, I'm like, oh, he's catching them.
[28:28] SPEAKER_00: Like Casper's running faster.
[28:30] SPEAKER_00: And it was like you were doing the same thing that you'd done in Nice, and I was like, oh, there's still like 5, 6k to go here.
[28:35] SPEAKER_00: And I had it at 45 seconds, and you you probably don't remember this at all, but you actually asked me, um, you were like, hey, what's the gap?
[28:42] SPEAKER_00: Because you might you maybe you saw I had my phone or whatever, and I was like timing it.
[28:45] SPEAKER_00: And I was like, 45 seconds, and you kind of just like looked down and like started burying yourself, and I'm like, oh, he's I reckon he might catch them here because you had put about 45 seconds into them in less than five or six K.
[28:57] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[28:57] SPEAKER_00: At that point, did you think that you were gonna win the 70.3 world championships?
[29:01] SPEAKER_00: Like, do you remember how that all played out?
[29:02] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I remember uh I were closing quite a lot, and I think I were down to was it 22nd or something at the point?
[29:10] SPEAKER_01: But then that was when we were out at the pier running out and back.
[29:14] SPEAKER_01: But then I kind of knew, as I said, like if I got up, they would probably start sprinting, and then I would have been running, I think I ran three or five, three minutes per K to squeeze it down there, but like then I had burned my matches for a sprint.
[29:31] SPEAKER_01: So if I should have any chance to be there, I would need to be there from the start.
[29:36] SPEAKER_01: But like I think they anyway ran was it 50 seconds or one minute faster than me.
[29:42] SPEAKER_01: So still I'm still far behind, and then yeah, I don't think I could have done so much more, so uh yeah, I think yeah, that day I I couldn't have done so much more in terms of yeah.
[29:56] SPEAKER_01: I also felt I couldn't do anything more on the bike since I felt I were on the edge the whole day.
[30:02] SPEAKER_01: Didn't had I did actually did not have my best day there, but like yeah, that's how it is, and then you need to show up on a day and be the best, and then yeah, I felt I got out the best of myself that day for what I were able to do.
[30:17] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[30:18] SPEAKER_00: Were you happy with it?
[30:19] SPEAKER_00: Like considering you'd won the Iron Man World Championships only, you know, um uh what would it have been, like seven weeks earlier, something like that?
[30:28] SPEAKER_00: Were you were you going into the race like motivated to try and win the 70.3 world championships?
[30:34] SPEAKER_00: Um, for those playing at home, you obviously finished third.
[30:37] SPEAKER_00: I think we've made that clear by now, but just to just to make it even more clear, um were you yeah, were you motivated to try and win it?
[30:43] SPEAKER_00: Did you think you could win that race or or was third like just like more than you you thought you were capable of on the day, given like maybe what had happened over the seven weeks between the world championships and that race?
[30:54] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was motivated to win that race.
[30:57] SPEAKER_01: I like we traveled uh also on altitude before the race, so we put quite some energy into like performing there.
[31:06] SPEAKER_01: So if I weren't sure I would be able to win, then I would probably just be at home.
[31:12] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I put everything into it and try to yeah, win it.
[31:19] SPEAKER_01: Uh I also felt I were on the edge of yeah everything off to Nice.
[31:26] SPEAKER_01: I felt thing was yeah, things changed from a day to another, and suddenly it was way more things happening and with sponsors and yeah, media and stuff like that.
[31:36] SPEAKER_01: So I felt I were a little bit drained going into the race, but yeah, I uh did everything I could to to win that one.
[31:45] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I weren't good enough that day.
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[33:48] SPEAKER_00: And then obviously um 2026 has started off pretty good as well.
[33:52] SPEAKER_00: I mean, if it wasn't for the end of your your year last year in 2025, let's say you hadn't done any of those races and then you came out and done what you did um to start 2026, which was third place at Oceanside and then third place at Texas, everyone would probably be like, oh, this is the best Casper's ever been.
[34:08] SPEAKER_00: Um so obviously the form has just continued on.
[34:12] SPEAKER_00: How has your training been over the the offseason and the preseason between the world champs um and uh and starting your season in America at Oceanside in Texas?
[34:22] SPEAKER_01: Uh it's not been going uh the smoothest.
[34:26] SPEAKER_01: Like uh mid-January, my uh Achilles just suddenly popped in a session.
[34:33] SPEAKER_01: So I think I got a tear or something, and then yeah, it was I think I had like six weeks with basically no training.
[34:42] SPEAKER_01: I'd like I tried to load it a little bit, so I think I ran 15 to 20k a week for at least four five weeks and then started to build a little bit into it, and then yeah, I decided to skip uh New Seal and Geelong to give me or to give myself four extra weeks until uh the first race of the season.
[35:07] SPEAKER_01: So then I traveled to Sierra Nevada four weeks before Oceanside, and then I started to run a little bit more, so then I had like probably 50, 60k a week, and then the last two weeks before uh Texas, I got up to like close to 100k and one week with 100k, where I should be consistently.
[35:32] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I basically had three weeks before Oceicide with OK running, so I started my intervals again in Sierra Nevada.
[35:44] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, but I think I did quite some good work to get back to shape.
[35:49] SPEAKER_01: Uh started with some strength training.
[35:51] SPEAKER_01: Brad Beer helped me there with uh a program, and uh yeah, I felt that helped quite a lot, and yeah, I think I were quite smart in training, also adding on a bit extra bike, then of course the strength training, and yeah, really made a good program for putting myself in a good position into um Oceanside.
[36:14] SPEAKER_01: So if I had got like fifth place in Oceanside, I would actually be happy and felt like okay, now we are uh on track for the rest of the season, but now I feel I'm ahead of where I were last year at the same time of the season, even with an injury.
[36:29] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm optimistic for the rest of the season.
[36:34] SPEAKER_00: Shout out Brad Beer, a fellow Australian, one of the happiest people in triathlon, maybe in the world.
[36:40] SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you'll meet many happier people.
[36:42] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's been amazing uh helping me with program and advising me of what I should do.
[36:48] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, and then I also had a close uh yeah with my uh one guy from the Olympic Federation, Rogart, that's been helping me.
[36:59] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if I need some advice outside also, I also talk with him.
[37:03] SPEAKER_01: So I'm sparring with him with things in training, so yeah.
[37:08] SPEAKER_01: So I have uh view from the outside also, uh, since it's basically just me, Gustav and Christian, that's uh yeah, planning the training.
[37:17] SPEAKER_01: But now with the injury uh yeah, I needed to have some more expertise.
[37:23] SPEAKER_01: So he's been helping me and also advising me in what I should do in training, since it I feel it's easy to maybe push a little bit too much, since you probably feel like uh 30 to 40 minutes is not so much, but then he gives like the bigger perspective of yeah, you've been doing this and that, and you shouldn't do more since then you can go over.
[37:45] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's been good.
[37:47] SPEAKER_00: And I want to talk to you about the the moment that went a little bit viral in Oceanside with you um sprinting and overtaking Sam Long for third place in the final final mile of the race, and then uh um Sam Sam crossing the finish line and uh and going going nuts and screaming and uh uh and releasing the uh the anger and frustration that he felt at the time.
[38:12] SPEAKER_00: Uh I've talked to him about that um last week on the podcast, but uh tell me about how that played out from your perspective.
[38:18] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so on the last turning point on the course where we could see each other, I saw it was quite far behind, probably around a minute, but I think it was around 50 seconds or something.
[38:31] SPEAKER_01: And then I was thinking, okay, he looks okay, so I think it would be hard to catch him with like 50k with uh 4k to go.
[38:41] SPEAKER_01: Uh but yeah, still I was running around 310, 315 pace.
[38:46] SPEAKER_01: So I was still, since I knew Jason West were behind, and then uh I had just blocked him, so I couldn't like ease off.
[38:53] SPEAKER_01: But then I saw I got closer and closer, and then I heard like people saying on the road, he's struggling, and I was like, okay, I should maybe give it a go.
[39:03] SPEAKER_01: And then I started to run 3 or 5, 3 minutes per K, and yeah, I saw I were gaining so much time, and then with 2k to go, I think yeah, then I closed 45 seconds or something.
[39:16] SPEAKER_01: When we come down to the last stretch towards the finish area, I was like, there he is.
[39:22] SPEAKER_01: So then I squeezed it down again, and when I came past him, I just uh yeah, I wanted to kind of just make a statement like, okay, you won't take my back or get able to take my back.
[39:34] SPEAKER_01: Uh so then I just went past him and yeah.
[39:37] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was uh it was awesome.
[39:39] SPEAKER_00: Um considering like what had played out in that race with Christian and catching him and Jonas, and it just it's just crazy how one minute he was in first, and then like in the blink of an eye, he was in fourth, and the Norwegians had uh had ruined his day a little bit.
[39:54] SPEAKER_00: Uh it was uh it was a spectacle for us to watch.
[39:56] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was uh very nice to just take it.
[39:59] SPEAKER_01: I really wanted that third play also when I were in opposition to it.
[40:02] SPEAKER_01: So then I was like, yeah, I'm gonna take it.
[40:05] SPEAKER_01: So then I were really happy that I did also.
[40:08] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I mean, you're on a bit of a string of uh of podiums as well.
[40:12] SPEAKER_00: Like you haven't you haven't been off a podium in a long time because obviously you came second at 70.3 or what one was it?
[40:20] SPEAKER_00: The one in France game.
[40:22] SPEAKER_01: I think since that race I've been on podium for every race I've been racing.
[40:27] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because then Iron Man Frankfurt, Iron Man World Championships, 70.3 World Championships, Oceanside, and Texas.
[40:33] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's been it's been a hell of a run, mate.
[40:35] SPEAKER_00: I I wonder how long you can keep that up for.
[40:38] SPEAKER_00: What's what's the next race on your schedule this year?
[40:40] SPEAKER_01: Uh Frankfurt.
[40:41] SPEAKER_01: I were supposed to do uh X and Point, but uh now it's been some traveling uh this week and yeah, I feel I don't need it in the same way as I did last year.
[40:53] SPEAKER_01: Like all it's all about Kona like to perform there.
[40:58] SPEAKER_01: So then I would like to give myself in considering with like the injury I had in January, February, I would like to give myself a bit more training and a bit calm period to just focus on training, and then we go to St.
[41:13] SPEAKER_01: Moritz now in June before Frankfurt and then race in Frankfurt, and after that it's also some good time to get in some training and yeah, uh just have a chill period with training and focus on what I should do towards Kona and East.
[41:30] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is what I talked about to start the show, and I want to dive into now is your training preparation between now and the Iron Man World Championships in Kona.
[41:41] SPEAKER_00: What do you think you have to do to win the race at Kona this year in training?
[41:46] SPEAKER_00: What does Caspar Stoyners have to do over the next four or five months in training to make the back-to-back win a reality?
[41:52] SPEAKER_01: I need to squeeze my run down four or five more minutes to take it uh compared to Texas.
[42:04] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I should be able to win it with the same shape as I had last year in Nice.
[42:12] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I feel now I'm already ahead of it.
[42:16] SPEAKER_01: I felt like I uh done some good uh work on the bike, especially this winter.
[42:22] SPEAKER_01: So my bike is better than last year, and the swim I feel it's stably good.
[42:27] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I just need to I need to just get more training in on the run to get that consistent where I'm just ticking in those weeks with over 100k a week and yeah, just getting that uh running shape slowly back to it.
[42:43] SPEAKER_01: So that's why I want to give myself more time to train a bit more between the races now.
[42:49] SPEAKER_01: So luckily I'm in a position where I can do it.
[42:51] SPEAKER_01: So I could probably just have I could have skipped the whole season and just focused on Kona, but it's fun to race also, and you need to race to see where a shape is.
[43:01] SPEAKER_01: So now Texas gave a good indicator of what I should do.
[43:06] SPEAKER_01: Uh now I felt like the last 10k I didn't I were running as fast as I could for the whole race.
[43:14] SPEAKER_01: But like for example, Nisa could have had squeezed it down maybe one minute to 90 seconds in Texas, or maybe more.
[43:22] SPEAKER_01: So then I would most likely have been running down Martin there if I had been in the same shape, but I feel I'm lacking a little bit in the end of the race because of the injury.
[43:32] SPEAKER_01: So then I need to give myself more time to yeah, be better in running.
[43:39] SPEAKER_01: Uh still a 233 is still a fast time, but uh yeah, I need to squeeze it down and be able to run around the same in corner, I think.
[43:51] SPEAKER_01: I think there is gonna be uh a fast run this year.
[43:55] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because you ran two thirty three at Texas, you ran two twenty nine.
[44:00] SPEAKER_00: Mid at Nice last year to win the Iron Man World Championships.
[44:04] SPEAKER_00: And the course record at Kona is your teammate, Gustav Eden.
[44:09] SPEAKER_00: Um, he ran 236 in 2022 when he when he caught Sam Lato and got in that epic battle with Christian Blumenfeld in the shoes that Christian think maybe maybe uh lost him the race.
[44:21] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[44:21] SPEAKER_00: So so what time do you reckon it's gonna take to win Kona this year?
[44:26] SPEAKER_00: Like will we see it go from the record being 236 to it to it being you know you have to run 220x to win?
[44:32] SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think it will be sub-230, but maybe two to three minutes faster, I think, than the course record.
[44:41] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, you see also Martin also now running quite fast, and also Vince run quite fast in uh in Texas.
[44:51] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it was actually quite close to be a Iron Man, like it basically just depends on who has the best day kind of.
[45:01] SPEAKER_01: Uh and yeah, like being so close, it's just like if someone had been doing a mistake, then you could easily have taken those minutes.
[45:13] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I think it will be maybe a bigger run group uh in Kona.
[45:20] SPEAKER_01: Or yeah, it depends also like you were missing some guys in a race that mix it up.
[45:27] SPEAKER_01: So uh but yeah, I think you will need to be riding quite fast and also run fast this year to win.
[45:35] SPEAKER_00: Just before you said that last year you felt like it was between you, Gustav and Christian who was going to win the race.
[45:41] SPEAKER_00: And then looking forward to to the race this year, you've just thrown a few names around Martin Van Riel, Vincent Louis.
[45:48] SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you guys, the Norwegians, you get it right on the day.
[45:52] SPEAKER_00: And and maybe you just think about yourself.
[45:55] SPEAKER_00: But do you ever talk in training about Martin Van Riel or Sam Lalo or Jonas Schomburg or um Lionel Sanders or Yalle Geans about who might be your biggest competition this year and and maybe how to go about beating them at Kona this year?
[46:13] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we do talk about it, but now it's very early in the season, and uh it's still a long time to go until Kona.
[46:23] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we are aware of them, and like Martin BDB in uh Texas and Jonas BME in Oceanside, so they are good athletes and could can put out a very good performance on a day, and also you have a lot of other people like uh that can put out a good performance, and world championships is always special, so you need to pull out a very special performance from the bag to just take it.
[46:50] SPEAKER_01: So it's not for certain that we will take it one of us, but we aim for it, and but we are we have been like talking, wouldn't it be sick if we did one, two, three again?
[47:03] SPEAKER_01: So uh that would be amazing, but like yeah, you have some good athletes that also can run quite fast now, so uh it will not be an easy one, but uh I think yeah, speaking for myself, I think I have a good shot of winning the race.
[47:19] SPEAKER_00: It would be uh yeah, it would be wild if you boys managed to do that again.
[47:23] SPEAKER_00: Um, one for the history books for sure, given that you just confirmed you do you know chat about people in your training.
[47:28] SPEAKER_00: Is there one person that seems to get talked about more than everyone else when you're analysing or discussing who might be a threat to you guys?
[47:37] SPEAKER_00: Like, is there one person that just always seems to be the first person mentioned or who just always comes up a lot?
[47:43] SPEAKER_01: I think yeah, Martin will be one of those.
[47:48] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[47:49] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, he has been a bit unlucky, like especially last year with his injury.
[47:55] SPEAKER_01: So uh consider his injury last year.
[47:58] SPEAKER_01: He did uh amazing performance in Nice.
[48:00] SPEAKER_01: So I think he if he is healthy and no injury and everything, I think he will be one of those guys I need to watch extra carefully to.
[48:11] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[48:12] SPEAKER_00: Makes sense, makes sense.
[48:14] SPEAKER_00: He's who me outside looking in would look at as the biggest threat to you guys.
[48:18] SPEAKER_00: Obviously, Yale Gaines is an unknown.
[48:20] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think also Yale could do well.
[48:24] SPEAKER_01: So I think uh yeah, but the race in in Texas, I don't think he got the best out of himself.
[48:32] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I saw he did uh uh some work in the start of the bike and took responsibility, and also I heard he went quite fast out on a run, so uh yeah, he maybe didn't play his card 100%, but yeah, I think he if he gets to know how the race is being played with uh everything and can do the fueling and get everything right, then I think he would also be one of the hard ones to beat.
[49:01] SPEAKER_01: He's shown that he's yeah taking back-to-back world championships in uh 70.3 than you are an amazing athlete.
[49:11] SPEAKER_01: But I also feel the full distance is also a different not sport, but yeah, it's yeah, you need to be so good to handle the distance and also with the fueling and everything.
[49:22] SPEAKER_01: So it's not easy.
[49:24] SPEAKER_00: You you've mentioned fueling a few times, whether it be you know Christian and yourself and Gustav um maybe struggling a little bit with with being low on fuel in your last big training session into Nice, and and just then with how important it is to nail and execute an Iron Man perfectly.
[49:40] SPEAKER_00: And um, just a couple of days ago, I talked to probably the the the other teammate that you guys have that isn't Marius Bajerkset, but but Solvay Losseth, and we talked a lot about her fueling because I read a report that that Precision Fuel and Hydration did about what she takes on during the race.
[49:58] SPEAKER_00: And it was a lot compared to what you see other females take on.
[50:02] SPEAKER_00: Uh, in my in my experience of reading about it and and talking to them on the podcast, where where she took on 132 grams of carbohydrates an hour in the race.
[50:12] SPEAKER_00: And now obviously we've heard stories and we've heard Christian talk about it uh a lot, the high numbers that you guys take on.
[50:20] SPEAKER_00: Is this something that you're still doing?
[50:22] SPEAKER_00: Like, have you always been taking on a lot of carbohydrate, or is that more being Christian and you've been on the lower end?
[50:27] SPEAKER_00: Like, how much are you taking on per hour in hard sessions in training?
[50:31] SPEAKER_00: And and when you won the IMAN World Championships last year or at Texas the other day, how many grams per hour are you trying to get in?
[50:38] SPEAKER_01: Uh in these I took 182 grams per hour.
[50:42] SPEAKER_00: Holy fuck.
[50:43] SPEAKER_01: So, but yeah, I do train my gut to handle it, so it's just not yeah, a coincidence that I do it, but I feel I can do more, train more, uh recover faster.
[50:57] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[50:58] SPEAKER_01: I uh I do take a lot of carbs.
[51:02] SPEAKER_00: 182 grams an hour.
[51:05] SPEAKER_01: My bottles is mixed with 200 grams of carbs on the bike and then 160, 170 on the run for the run bottles.
[51:14] SPEAKER_01: So when I come in, also when I come in after the swim, I also have a bottle with 80 grams of carbs that I just chug before the bike to get some carbs in.
[51:24] SPEAKER_00: Do you only do that during the the full distance or do you do only the full?
[51:28] SPEAKER_00: Do you do any version of that for the 70.3?
[51:30] SPEAKER_00: And and during the 70.3 do you take on 182 grams an hour as well?
[51:34] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
[51:35] SPEAKER_00: Wow, mate.
[51:37] SPEAKER_00: Wow.
[51:37] SPEAKER_00: This is the your you are Dan Plooza's literal worst nightmare.
[51:41] SPEAKER_00: That's a that's an insane, an insane number.
[51:44] SPEAKER_00: Is that kind of just the number, like you know, roughly that you found works, or are you still continuing to try and push that number even higher?
[51:52] SPEAKER_01: I'm open to test it, but I feel it's working quite well with that number now.
[52:00] SPEAKER_01: So uh, but then I would need to maybe see if it's some easier way to yeah, since the mixture starts to get strong also when you mixed more in it.
[52:12] SPEAKER_01: Now it's perfectly, and I feel like it's easy to drink it, and I don't feel it's like going up to the throat when I'm drinking it.
[52:19] SPEAKER_01: Like when you're mixed mixing that much and that strong uh sports drink, some sports drink is quite thick and you can't, then I feel like it's hard to drink it.
[52:30] SPEAKER_01: But with uh the omni sports drink that I use now, it's uh it's not getting thick at all.
[52:36] SPEAKER_01: Like it just gets a little bit sweeter, so I feel it's perfect.
[52:40] SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, I think I haven't tested so much over 200 grams.
[52:47] SPEAKER_01: I think I had now I since I have a new gel that is five grams more in it than the old ones, then I had 205 grams in each bottle uh on the bike, and I had four bottles and drank all of them, plus the 80 grams in the transition, plus 160, 170 grams on the run, plus the cola along the course.
[53:12] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it blows me away.
[53:14] SPEAKER_00: I am someone with a weak stomach, and just the thought of it, like I'm sitting here shaking my head because the thought of it literally gives me diarrhea, you know, like that is my stomach couldn't handle it.
[53:25] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you don't train your gut, you will get uh bad stomach.
[53:28] SPEAKER_01: So I uh always do it many weeks in uh forehand before the race to start to train my gut to it.
[53:37] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, it's not like I on easy sessions I do 150, 160 grams, and uh hard sessions 180 to 200.
[53:46] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're a beast.
[53:48] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and then eating after the sessions.
[53:52] SPEAKER_01: So someone can feel quite full and don't manage to eat afterwards, but then they also eat quite a lot after, so yeah.
[53:58] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
[53:59] SPEAKER_00: Makes sense, makes sense, makes sense why you're able to train so much and and do really high volumes and also makes sense why you're because this has been a thing we've been noticing of you recently is the way you're strong at the end of your 70.3s and your full distance races.
[54:17] SPEAKER_00: You're shown at every race you've done for about 12 months now.
[54:20] SPEAKER_00: You are the strongest guy over the last half of the run, no matter what race it is.
[54:26] SPEAKER_00: Like you you showed it again at Oceanside, you showed it at Texas, you showed it at both sets of world championships last year.
[54:32] SPEAKER_00: And it looks like the outside in that you're just pacing things well.
[54:36] SPEAKER_00: But I think it's very evident from what you've just said then that yes, it probably is pacing, but it's also a large degree of your fueling, and you're just not blowing up like other people are who might be going into a bit of glycogen debt, like you're clearly just not doing that to the same degree.
[54:51] SPEAKER_01: No, so uh I'm very aware during a race that I need to fuel.
[54:57] SPEAKER_01: So, of course, during a race, like if you do it when you are out there for seven and a half hours, you get uh a bit tired of all the sugar, also.
[55:07] SPEAKER_01: But then I yeah, then I'm thinking it's worse that I don't drink now.
[55:14] SPEAKER_01: Then if I don't do it, then I will uh have a hard time in 30 minutes.
[55:19] SPEAKER_01: So then I force myself to just drink, drink, drink all the time, but it's more on the run, then you start to feel like, oh no, it's uh been a lot of sugar.
[55:27] SPEAKER_01: But then it's also good to come uh in the A station, get some water in the mouth, and then you have some cola, and then you just run further after that, and then then drink sports drink and yeah, fuel.
[55:41] SPEAKER_00: I want to stay on the nutrition front for a little bit and both of these next questions, one of them's about uh one of them's Solvay inspired as well.
[55:49] SPEAKER_00: Well, and I guess Christian inspired is caffeine.
[55:52] SPEAKER_00: I talked to Solvay about caffeine in detail the other day.
[55:55] SPEAKER_00: She was telling us about how she um took on, she always takes on 200 grams of caffeine, 200 milligrams of caffeine before the start of her race because she feels like the swim is very important to her.
[56:06] SPEAKER_00: And she said she's experimented with um 300 milligrams of caffeine 30 minutes before the swim start as well.
[56:13] SPEAKER_00: And we all know, and I talk about it every single week on the podcast, the story of Christian Blumenfeld making um Sam Laido take porta potty trips because of how much caffeine he he uh inspired him to take on.
[56:24] SPEAKER_00: So Christian's caffeine intake is obviously legendary in the sport.
[56:28] SPEAKER_00: Where is yours on this spectrum of caffeine intake?
[56:31] SPEAKER_00: Are you are you also a really high caffeine guy or just a high carb guy?
[56:35] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do uh a lot of caffeine, especially in races.
[56:38] SPEAKER_01: So then I do yeah, 300 milligrams before the race, and then uh hundred uh milligrams per hour.
[56:48] SPEAKER_01: So I have uh or per bottle.
[56:51] SPEAKER_01: So then I do four hundred on the bike and three to four hundred on the run.
[57:01] SPEAKER_00: I it just insane to me.
[57:03] SPEAKER_01: So then I don't get to sleep afterwards, but uh it's worth three days.
[57:07] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you probably you've only had two nights sleep since Nice.
[57:10] SPEAKER_00: That's how that's how much caffeine you took on that day.
[57:13] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm struggling a bit to uh sleep after the race, but yeah, it's okay.
[57:17] SPEAKER_01: As long as I do a good race, it's worth it.
[57:20] SPEAKER_00: And what's your caffeine schedule for a 70.3?
[57:23] SPEAKER_00: Like maybe say oceanside, what did you take on caffeine-wise that day?
[57:28] SPEAKER_01: Uh 300 before the start, and uh on the bike I had two and a half bottle.
[57:37] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, 250 and then 100 on the run.
[57:43] SPEAKER_00: Okay, so 650 milligrams total.
[57:46] SPEAKER_00: It's still pretty high.
[57:47] SPEAKER_00: It's definitely still on the high side for sure.
[57:49] SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, wow.
[57:51] SPEAKER_00: Do you feel like the 300 milligrams?
[57:54] SPEAKER_00: Do you take that?
[57:55] SPEAKER_00: Sorry, firstly, do you take that 30 minutes before the start of the race for a 70.3?
[58:00] SPEAKER_01: Uh I start an hour before.
[58:01] SPEAKER_01: So then I do two gels, and those are 100 milligrams each, and then I do a a Red Bull or two.
[58:09] SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
[58:10] SPEAKER_01: So I get up to 300, yeah.
[58:12] SPEAKER_00: And and do you just do that slow, like you start at an hour out and you just do it slowly over that hour?
[58:18] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, usually a little bit, or maybe it's a little bit more actually.
[58:20] SPEAKER_01: Since I start when I go from the hotel also.
[58:23] SPEAKER_01: So then I check maybe a Red Bull there, and then I take two gels and then maybe one or two Red Bull more at the start.
[58:30] SPEAKER_01: So it's a bit, yeah.
[58:31] SPEAKER_00: Okay, wow.
[58:32] SPEAKER_00: When's your last bit of caffeine that you take on before the swim starts?
[58:36] SPEAKER_01: That's probably uh 30 minutes before.
[58:38] SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
[58:38] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[58:39] SPEAKER_00: I I honestly think that after the podcast with Solvay and yourself that we've done um over the last fortnight, I reckon there's gonna be a lot more people taking on 300, 200, 300 milligrams of caffeine before their races.
[58:53] SPEAKER_00: I like I reckon a lot of people do 100.
[58:55] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't reckon many do 200, and I reckon very, very few few do 300.
[59:00] SPEAKER_00: I reckon that might be something we see uh a lot in 2026 now.
[59:04] SPEAKER_00: That's a that's a little bit of a secret, I reckon.
[59:06] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like but it's been for a long time.
[59:08] SPEAKER_01: Coffee has been like long time in the sport.
[59:12] SPEAKER_01: So but and we've been doing it or taking a lot of coffee since we were juniors.
[59:18] SPEAKER_01: So it's a well-known supplement you can use.
[59:22] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I think many are using it, but I don't think many people talk about how much they use, and we are quite open with yeah, yeah, uh like with the nutrition and everything, basically.
[59:35] SPEAKER_01: So people know that we are high in carbs, high in caffeine.
[59:39] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's no secret that we do so much.
[59:42] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you're right, you're right.
[59:43] SPEAKER_00: Everyone uses caffeine, right?
[59:45] SPEAKER_00: Everyone uses it.
[59:46] SPEAKER_00: I just don't think many people use that much before the start of the race.
[59:50] SPEAKER_00: Like, I think everyone does 100 milligrams, and I think a lot of people probably do, especially at the professional level, probably do 200.
[59:57] SPEAKER_00: I'd be I'd be curious how many push it to 300 though.
[1:00:00] SPEAKER_00: I wonder if anyone does more.
[1:00:01] SPEAKER_00: Maybe maybe they do.
[1:00:02] SPEAKER_01: Maybe they do.
[1:00:03] SPEAKER_00: Maybe you should experiment with uh 500 uh for one race this year.
[1:00:07] SPEAKER_01: I don't want to have bad stomach, so yeah.
[1:00:10] SPEAKER_01: I usually also dare train in training also uh with coffee.
[1:00:15] SPEAKER_01: So on the hard sessions, especially into the race, I practice with the coffee.
[1:00:21] SPEAKER_01: So you could get you can also get bad stomach or things.
[1:00:25] SPEAKER_01: So I try to minimize that uh risk and then train on it.
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[1:02:24] SPEAKER_00: Okay, I have to talk to you about this because I've been talking about this relentlessly for about the last three to four weeks on the podcast, and it all started with you.
[1:02:32] SPEAKER_00: You're the catalyst for this entire obsession I have with Nomeo.
[1:02:37] SPEAKER_00: Because last year I hadn't heard of it at the start of the year, and I heard that you used it for Nice, and I was like, oh, okay, what's that?
[1:02:47] SPEAKER_00: And then people start telling me about that it's broccoli sprouts.
[1:02:51] SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, that's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
[1:02:53] SPEAKER_00: And then I did some research into it and and into ITCs, which is um it's it's it's a very like simple thing, but it's it's quite complex as well.
[1:03:03] SPEAKER_00: Basically, um it helps with with making exercise feel easier, reducing the the level of lactate in in your blood.
[1:03:11] SPEAKER_00: Um, and the experience I've had using it, and what I've heard others have had is that during hard sessions and race day and long and longer sessions, you just feel a little bit a little bit better.
[1:03:22] SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I only I only started digging into it after I heard that you used it and saw you won.
[1:03:27] SPEAKER_00: Because I I don't want you to take offense to this, Kasper.
[1:03:31] SPEAKER_00: I was just shocked that you won the world championships.
[1:03:33] SPEAKER_00: I literally said on the podcast the week leading in that two Norwegians could win it and that Kasper could finish somewhere between third and fifth.
[1:03:41] SPEAKER_00: I just didn't think you could win it, and I thought the other two could win it, and I I thought Christian was the favourite to win it, to be honest.
[1:03:47] SPEAKER_00: Um, and I was like, is it, is he, is it?
[1:03:50] SPEAKER_00: I literally like was thinking to myself, is it this thing that he's using?
[1:03:53] SPEAKER_00: That's why I got a bit obsessed with it.
[1:03:55] SPEAKER_00: And then I found out just how many good athletes were using it, including probably Christian and Gustav, I heard at the time.
[1:04:01] SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I started using it and experiment experimenting with it.
[1:04:05] SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I've I've been wanting to ask you about it for a long time.
[1:04:09] SPEAKER_00: Um, we might have some exciting news that maybe the podcast is going to partner with them as well, probably as a result of how many people have been trying it for me relentlessly talking about it.
[1:04:18] SPEAKER_00: But but you're the catalyst, like I said.
[1:04:20] SPEAKER_00: So please tell me about this.
[1:04:22] SPEAKER_00: Do you think it's a secret?
[1:04:23] SPEAKER_00: Are you as high on it as what what as what I am at the moment?
[1:04:26] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I really like the product.
[1:04:29] SPEAKER_01: So I started using it last year.
[1:04:32] SPEAKER_01: So actually, the worst races I had last year were the ones I didn't use the Nomeo.
[1:04:37] SPEAKER_01: So that was Oceanside at Texas.
[1:04:39] SPEAKER_01: I were gonna use it in Texas, but I forgot it before I went out of the hotel room.
[1:04:44] SPEAKER_01: So I usually take it two to three hours before.
[1:04:47] SPEAKER_01: Uh but then I started using it and worked and started to work with uh the Nomeo guys from last year.
[1:04:55] SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, I really like it in races and also for training and sleeping.
[1:05:02] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, we're experimenting a little bit with it since I feel I felt like I've been sleeping way better with it.
[1:05:10] SPEAKER_01: So then I was thinking like, since it's the recommendation were like you take it the night before the race and before the race or two to three hours before.
[1:05:20] SPEAKER_01: But then I was thinking, okay, if I take it one day earlier, also, then I will get two nights of good sleep.
[1:05:28] SPEAKER_01: So then I started doing that, and then I just felt like that's been working really well.
[1:05:33] SPEAKER_01: So then I'll stick to that, and also when I use it for a session, I haven't had any like bad session, or if I have a bad session, I feel I can push through it, and also I get a good adaptation to it, like still I get a good uh stimuli and session of the of it, and then the day after again, I feel then I've been sleeping good in the night by taking it before the session.
[1:06:00] SPEAKER_01: And then getting easier into the training again the day after.
[1:06:04] SPEAKER_01: So I feel in total is a very good supplement for getting faster into the training again and also adapting to the sessions better.
[1:06:14] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:06:14] SPEAKER_00: See, this is how I've been using it recently as well, because I started experimenting with it mainly because like the recommendation is you use it for racing.
[1:06:22] SPEAKER_00: And like I was like, oh, how much do you really need to use it for training?
[1:06:26] SPEAKER_00: But I noticed early when I started using it that I actually had to train my gut with it a little bit.
[1:06:31] SPEAKER_00: Like it upset my stomach a little bit early days when I started using it.
[1:06:34] SPEAKER_00: So I started using it for sessions during the week, like maybe once or twice a week.
[1:06:39] SPEAKER_00: And now I'm at the point.
[1:06:41] SPEAKER_00: I had the same experience as you for um for reference, Casper.
[1:06:45] SPEAKER_00: I was really unfit about two years ago and got motivated by the idea of doing a marathon.
[1:06:50] SPEAKER_00: So all my training is running at the moment and doing like longer marathon-specific sessions.
[1:06:55] SPEAKER_00: And I'm the same as you.
[1:06:56] SPEAKER_00: I do two sessions a week and I use it for both of those sessions the night before.
[1:07:01] SPEAKER_00: So I take it after dinner the night before, and then I try and take it three hours before the session that morning.
[1:07:07] SPEAKER_00: And I just keep having this thing where I'm doing the session and I just go, I just feel awesome.
[1:07:13] SPEAKER_00: Like I get like 40 minutes in every time, and I just have this same thing happen where I'm like, yep, I just feel good again.
[1:07:19] SPEAKER_00: And I don't know whether it's like it is Nomeo, but I I just I haven't had a bad session since.
[1:07:25] SPEAKER_00: Obviously, not at your level, like I'm nowhere near as fast or as good as you, but but I've had the exact same sensations.
[1:07:31] SPEAKER_00: So um it is pretty crazy, isn't it?
[1:07:33] SPEAKER_00: Considering how simple it is that it's just like it's just all these broccoli sprouts kind of uh blended together in a in a little thing that you drink.
[1:07:41] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like uh I have usually have a quite sensitive stomach, but I haven't felt it's been uh hard to my stomach at all.
[1:07:50] SPEAKER_01: So I just yeah.
[1:07:52] SPEAKER_01: So usually I get a bit uh nervous stomach before the competitions, but I feel like it's no problem using it.
[1:07:59] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I I just felt it's been quite good and yeah, had really good races and training with it.
[1:08:08] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[1:08:09] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you're one of the very few lucky people who's actually sponsored by them because they don't sponsor anyone, like they don't sponsor Christian or Gustav or they just sponsor or Solvay, and you guys all use it.
[1:08:20] SPEAKER_00: And there's some other big, big names that use it.
[1:08:22] SPEAKER_00: They don't sponsor any of them, but they they sponsor you, so clearly they have a lot of faith in you, and you're you're lucky because I'm spending every dollar I earn on it on it at the moment, and you're getting it for free.
[1:08:32] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's uh it's some very nice guys working in the company, and uh yeah, so uh, but yeah, I'm I'm really happy with the product and uh yeah, feel it's working good.
[1:08:46] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah.
[1:08:48] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:08:48] SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm gonna stop talking about them for a few weeks, I think, because I bring it them up all the time at the moment because I set myself for the goal of uh of making sure it wasn't a secret in the triathlon world anymore because everyone that was using it was having good races and I was feeling great on it.
[1:09:01] SPEAKER_00: But uh people are probably over me talking about it.
[1:09:04] SPEAKER_00: But with that being said, Casper, we do have a discount code for everyone on the triathlon hour.
[1:09:08] SPEAKER_00: Um, if they do want to get themselves some Nomeo, it's just TTH15, it gets you 15% off.
[1:09:15] SPEAKER_00: Uh, we make no money from it, but it saves you 15% off.
[1:09:18] SPEAKER_00: And it's been saving me 15% off every time I use it as well, actually.
[1:09:22] SPEAKER_00: So um head to if you're in your Europe, you head to Nomeo's website.
[1:09:25] SPEAKER_00: If you're in America, you go to thefeed.com.
[1:09:28] SPEAKER_00: If you're in Australia, go to AidStation, get yourself some Nomeo, TTH15, 15% off.
[1:09:33] SPEAKER_00: And like I've said a few times now, send me some messages if you've been thinking it's working as well, because I am trying to collect data on it and just seeing if it does work for everyone or or if there's some people who have negative side effects to it.
[1:09:44] SPEAKER_00: So let me know.
[1:09:45] SPEAKER_00: Um, moving on quickly here now, Casper.
[1:09:48] SPEAKER_00: Um, just for the next kind of you know, little period before you do Iron Man Frankfurt, what are you what are you working on in training?
[1:09:55] SPEAKER_00: What what run sessions are you doing?
[1:09:57] SPEAKER_00: Are you doing long threshold sessions?
[1:09:59] SPEAKER_00: Are you doing short threshold sessions?
[1:10:01] SPEAKER_00: What are you working on at the bike?
[1:10:03] SPEAKER_00: Are you like just talk to me about the current um the current phase you're in in your training?
[1:10:08] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so now yeah, if I go a little bit back towards like in the period if I hadn't been injured, like uh in in uh January, February, let that period would be basically volume based, not so much VO2, longer threshold session would be the key, and yeah, just yeah, uh stretching those sessions.
[1:10:33] SPEAKER_01: So, but since I haven't had opportunity to do that, then it was a lot of that into Oceanside and Texas.
[1:10:42] SPEAKER_01: In that period, I did maybe more longer interval sessions on the run, only threshold, no VO2.
[1:10:49] SPEAKER_01: So, but now I will probably have two weeks with uh a little bit more higher intensity on the run, and then when we get closer to the end of May, then go more over to pure threshold training.
[1:11:06] SPEAKER_01: Uh so now just try to lift the roof a little bit, so not the threshold are completely up in the roof.
[1:11:12] SPEAKER_01: So I have something to go on when I start the next phase now towards Frankfurt.
[1:11:18] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, the two last weeks in May probably be 14-16 case of intervals on the run two times a week, and uh on the bike there I would also do maybe a little bit more uh intensity now these two weeks.
[1:11:36] SPEAKER_01: Uh and the swim, I feel yeah, I can maybe do some faster sessions, but there is mostly thresholds.
[1:11:44] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the first two weeks now, probably a little bit a little bit shorter, a little bit faster.
[1:11:49] SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then into Frankfurt when we come to the camp in St.
[1:11:54] SPEAKER_01: Moritz will be yeah, long sessions, and the last two weeks will be the super Sundays and preparing for the race.
[1:12:03] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[1:12:04] SPEAKER_00: Give me some examples of these lifting the roof uh sessions that you might do, maybe bike and run.
[1:12:10] SPEAKER_00: Just one or two sessions that you would do on each, because we all know your threshold sessions.
[1:12:14] SPEAKER_00: We've talked about them all the time on the podcast here, but we don't really know these through these VO2 Macs or the roof uh heightening sessions.
[1:12:21] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so usually like if we do like a brick session on Sundays, we are doing it just over here or back to the house to Christian up at Gansemiran.
[1:12:30] SPEAKER_01: So then we uh cycle down and then it's five minutes up, so then we do five to six uh times up the hill.
[1:12:39] SPEAKER_01: Uh so usually we do five minutes up and then we run, but sometimes we do up five minutes, down, up five minutes, then we do the running, and then we do four times of that, or yeah, with eight to or tenk of running maybe, but then we uh do a little bit of threshold maybe in the start and then some four hundred meters of past case in the end.
[1:13:02] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, either twenty by four hundred or uh twenty five by four hundred.
[1:13:11] SPEAKER_01: So try some sessions are just a little bit shorter and more intensity, and on the bike, yeah, we do kind of uh VO2 steady state and do a bit higher numbers and not down at the threshold.
[1:13:27] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, those sessions are around 50 minutes, 60 minutes, and when we are stretching the session with threshold, it's like uh 80 to 90 minutes.
[1:13:38] SPEAKER_01: So cutting a little bit down, but still having a bit more power, so you have a little bit more uh you don't get that fatigue for yeah, not pushing the DO2.
[1:13:50] SPEAKER_00: When you do the five to six minute hill reps, um what kind of power are you pushing for them on the bike?
[1:13:56] SPEAKER_01: Uh 380, 400.
[1:14:00] SPEAKER_01: So Kristen, a little bit more.
[1:14:02] SPEAKER_00: Yep, makes sense.
[1:14:03] SPEAKER_00: Um I'm gonna change topics quite uh sharply here.
[1:14:06] SPEAKER_00: Your old coach, Mick Al Eden, is in the news at the moment, uh, having taken on a new client.
[1:14:12] SPEAKER_00: I don't know if if you've heard of him, Lionel Sanders.
[1:14:15] SPEAKER_01: An old client.
[1:14:17] SPEAKER_01: It's it's an old client, it's not a new no Casper.
[1:14:20] SPEAKER_00: You're actually wrong on that.
[1:14:22] SPEAKER_00: And you might not know this about Lionel, but Lionel reinvents himself every probably three to four weeks.
[1:14:28] SPEAKER_00: So even though he has worked with Lionel Sanders in in the past, that was a different person.
[1:14:32] SPEAKER_00: This is this is a new version of Lionel.
[1:14:34] SPEAKER_00: You've got to remember that.
[1:14:35] SPEAKER_00: So uh it's uh yeah, no, that's just a joke.
[1:14:39] SPEAKER_00: Obviously, uh he was he was his coach back in 2022, and he's uh he's he's back in the in the fold four years later.
[1:14:46] SPEAKER_00: Have you talked to Mikkel about that yet?
[1:14:48] SPEAKER_00: Have you uh messaged or or had a chat on the phone with him about that?
[1:14:51] SPEAKER_01: No, I haven't talked uh uh with him about that.
[1:14:54] SPEAKER_01: So last time I talked with him was when I were in Sierra Nevada, so uh yeah, I don't talk so much with training and stuff like that anymore.
[1:15:02] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we me and Gusta were with them in Sierra Nevada training a little bit with a national team then, so they were there at the same time, and then we could squeeze in training together.
[1:15:12] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, no, I haven't talked with him about it, but uh yeah, I think it's probably good for Lionel also, so then we'll see how we do it uh later in the season.
[1:15:22] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I think it can be good for him.
[1:15:24] SPEAKER_00: Uh before we started this podcast, you you showed that Christian Blumenfeld was in the same room as you uh just before we started recording it.
[1:15:31] SPEAKER_00: He was about to go out for a run.
[1:15:33] SPEAKER_00: Uh so obviously I know that you've talked to Christian.
[1:15:35] SPEAKER_00: Have you and Christian and maybe Gustav as well, uh, talked about Lionel and his return to the Norwegian method?
[1:15:42] SPEAKER_00: And and can you fill us in on the private conversations that you guys have had about it?
[1:15:46] SPEAKER_01: To be honest, we haven't actually talked so much about it.
[1:15:49] SPEAKER_01: So uh we've just been like uh uh I were a little bit shocked when I heard that he were gonna do it since we heard it in Texas that he might be gonna do it after the race.
[1:15:59] SPEAKER_01: So then I was like, oh, that's a quick turnaround uh from a bad race, but yeah, like uh so but yeah, I think Lionel probably wants to achieve greater things than what he did in Texas, so yeah, then he tries to probably flip every stone he can possibly think about, and then obviously it's been it was good for the time back then when he trained with Michal, so then he probably feels like yeah, this is the right thing for me to do.
[1:16:32] SPEAKER_01: So that's yeah, if we've been talking about something, it's probably that that he probably feels like it's it's the right thing to do, and uh Mikal is the guy for for him to put him in a position to potentially yeah do a great race in Kona.
[1:16:49] SPEAKER_01: So but yeah, uh he needs to do uh a lot of work uh until then.
[1:16:56] SPEAKER_01: So uh but yeah, and it's gonna be hard.
[1:16:58] SPEAKER_01: Like you see now it's it's hard to be in the mix if you are two minutes behind on a swim because the level now is so high and people are yeah, close to the Uber bikers.
[1:17:14] SPEAKER_01: Like in the speed we are doing now in the race, you need to be quite arrow.
[1:17:20] SPEAKER_01: It's not about pushing power.
[1:17:23] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I push way less than what Lionel does in power and riding as fast.
[1:17:34] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's a really, really good bit of insight and observation because I don't think that's how a lot of people think about it, but just a really, yeah, really, a really interesting bit of insight about how at the front of the race you're pushing lower power, really focusing on on making sure that you're aero, and then the guys behind are probably thinking to themselves, okay, well, to catch the front of the race, I need to push 20 more watts.
[1:17:59] SPEAKER_00: So instead of putting 320 average down on the pedals, I need to get to 330, 340 by the time Kona comes, and your brain isn't working like that at all.
[1:18:07] SPEAKER_00: You're thinking, I need to make sure my run's in good position and get even more aero and push less power on the bike.
[1:18:13] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm working quite closely with my partners to be as aero as possible.
[1:18:18] SPEAKER_01: And like, yeah, people were thinking like with the 20 meters, oh, that's gonna change everything, people will run slower, and it will be the Uber biker, they will be back again.
[1:18:28] SPEAKER_01: But when you get far more far behind from the bike in front of you, arrow has more to say also.
[1:18:35] SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that's the way I see it also.
[1:18:38] SPEAKER_01: Like, you need to be arrow, you can't just push power, like so yeah, it it doesn't work that way, and you will burn your matches if you push more power.
[1:18:48] SPEAKER_01: And when we do go so fast as we do, arrow has more to say.
[1:18:53] SPEAKER_01: So then yeah, being more arrow, then you're saving more energy and don't need to push so much.
[1:18:59] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I don't know.
[1:19:01] SPEAKER_01: I think was it 320 or something?
[1:19:04] SPEAKER_01: Line of low pushing in yeah, I had 270.
[1:19:08] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm usually outside of the like you I'm not on 25 meters, it's probably around 27-28.
[1:19:18] SPEAKER_01: So I'm either yellow or outside of the yellow.
[1:19:23] SPEAKER_01: So and then the running times is faster now, also.
[1:19:26] SPEAKER_00: This is an Iron Man Texas, you're talking about though.
[1:19:29] SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about Texas.
[1:19:30] SPEAKER_01: See, I think I heard him pushing around tweet 320 or something, if I'm not completely wrong.
[1:19:36] SPEAKER_00: So I heard the same thing, and I heard and Sam Long came on and and see he said that he pushed very similar numbers.
[1:19:42] SPEAKER_00: And I've talked to now yourself, um, and I talked to Jonas Schomberg and Yellow Geans in private, and I can say they they pushed more, they they pushed closer to you than what they did, Lionel and Sam Long as well.
[1:19:56] SPEAKER_00: And you guys all rode faster than than Lionel and Sam Long.
[1:19:59] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I saw Martin here at 287 or something.
[1:20:03] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's still quite yeah, we do quite decent numbers, but like 320, then you are still pushing quite hard and burning your matches towards the run.
[1:20:14] SPEAKER_01: So exactly.
[1:20:16] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you might get across or you might get close or ride the same speed, but you're not gonna be anywhere near as fresh for the marathon, and and you guys are gonna run 228 to 235, and and those guys are gonna really struggle to break 235 because they have pushed, you know, 50, 60, 70 watts more on the bike.
[1:20:33] SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a bloody tough puzzle.
[1:20:35] SPEAKER_00: Do you think do you think Mikhail can figure it out with Lionel?
[1:20:38] SPEAKER_00: Like, do you think that he can actually be competitive, you know, top five, top 10 at the Iron Man World Championships at Kona, or or do you think that's kind of impossible for him?
[1:20:48] SPEAKER_01: I think it's quite hard for him, yes.
[1:20:50] SPEAKER_01: Uh, not that he's a bad athlete or anything, but like it's as I said, the level is so high now that yeah, I don't see him up there no.
[1:21:02] SPEAKER_01: No, sorry.
[1:21:04] SPEAKER_00: Do you see it differently when it comes to 70.3?
[1:21:06] SPEAKER_00: Like, do you think that that people like Lionel or Sam Long or you know Ari Clare, Trevor Foley, the the slower American swimmers who are quite good bike runners, do you think they can have more success on the world stage over 70.3 than they can full distance, or do you think it's just the same?
[1:21:24] SPEAKER_00: Like they're they're they're not going to be any more successful at a 70.3 world championships than an Iron Man World Championships?
[1:21:30] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, for sure.
[1:21:31] SPEAKER_01: You saw uh Sam Long in Oceanside, he were close.
[1:21:35] SPEAKER_01: So uh, but yeah, there again.
[1:21:38] SPEAKER_01: Uh both me, Gusto, and Christian didn't saw that Sam went away.
[1:21:44] SPEAKER_01: So if we would have noticed it, we probably would have been biking harder.
[1:21:50] SPEAKER_01: Uh or yeah, try to block or kind of block him to get away or follow him.
[1:21:57] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, there we were just not watching what he was doing, so that was our mistake.
[1:22:05] SPEAKER_01: So uh then we would probably been closer.
[1:22:07] SPEAKER_01: Uh but also later in the season, like now I'm not sharp like in race uh form or anything.
[1:22:19] SPEAKER_01: So I think closer to Nice it will be harder.
[1:22:23] SPEAKER_01: So um then you also have other guys mixing it up like Hayden and yeah, it's a hard course in needs to be close to, and when he's so far behind, yeah, it's not possible, and I think.
[1:22:37] SPEAKER_01: And you need to run a 106 in Nice to win.
[1:22:41] SPEAKER_01: And I think he's been running the fastest 109 something.
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[1:26:32] SPEAKER_00: Shall we given how close niece is to Kona this year, do you think that when it comes to your training, that you, let we're talking about you specifically, not you generally speaking, like you, Kasper Stoyners, do you think that you will be in good enough shape to compete against people like Hayden Wilde or who whoever, you know, whoever shows up that isn't training for Kona is training specifically for the 70.3 world championships in Nice.
[1:27:02] SPEAKER_00: Do you think that the training you're doing that's going to be more targeted to Kona gets you in good enough shape to be competitive against those guys in the 70.3 World Championships?
[1:27:13] SPEAKER_00: Or do you think to be at your absolute best over the 70.3 distance, you have to train differently to what you do if you're training to try and win Kona?
[1:27:22] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I think, or yeah, I should be good enough to podium or win there.
[1:27:29] SPEAKER_01: Uh I will not, yeah, probably I will have a little bit less training into race, but it will be a race that I do on the way to Kona.
[1:27:39] SPEAKER_01: So uh Kona is the most important.
[1:27:42] SPEAKER_01: So then we go straight from altitude and down to Nice and do the race, and then we either go home or to Font Romeu again before we go to Kona.
[1:27:52] SPEAKER_01: So it's a ray race on the way to Kona.
[1:27:56] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah.
[1:27:58] SPEAKER_01: Uh but I will Yeah, my plan is to be uh good enough to be competitive for the win.
[1:28:05] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[1:28:06] SPEAKER_00: When you were watching Geelong 70.3 and you saw the impressive performance Christian um put down in beating Hayden Wilde and Yalla Geans, given what we'd seen all throughout 2025 with Hayden completely dominating T100 races and then going on to dominate Singapore only a month after the Geelong race where he won by six minutes, do you think it shows that you guys, Christian, yourself, Yalla, maybe even Gustav, are better than Hayden over the 70.3 distance and that he is just really, really suited to the T100 distance?
[1:28:42] SPEAKER_00: Or do you think it shows that the the competitiveness at the top level of the T100 racing isn't quite as strong as the best 70.3 fields as it stands right now?
[1:28:53] SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, T100, I never raced a T100, so I can't uh speak for uh that, but uh it's still a bit shorter than uh a 70.3, probably by 20 minutes or something.
[1:29:07] SPEAKER_01: So it's not much, but it's something uh like if you are on the edge in uh T100 race, then yeah, it could flip it around uh that you are not uh 100% for the distance, but yeah, I think yeah, Hayden is a very good athlete, but I think uh yeah, it would be nice to compete against him, so we will get the answer in uh Nice.
[1:29:33] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I'm gonna give him a run for the money for sure.
[1:29:38] SPEAKER_01: And then we are three Norwegian uh gonna attack him and all the else of the athletes.
[1:29:43] SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe four Norwegians if Marius Bajerkset can get his uh shit together.
[1:29:47] SPEAKER_00: You never know.
[1:29:48] SPEAKER_00: Uh no, um I reckon that might be the race that low-key I'm more excited about than any in 2026.
[1:29:56] SPEAKER_00: Like, Kona is obviously gonna be epic.
[1:29:59] SPEAKER_00: Everyone's looking forward to Kona, but the men's race at the 70.3 World Championships this year, I reckon's gonna be a special race.
[1:30:06] SPEAKER_00: Like, I reckon it will be an insane, insane level of performance required to win it.
[1:30:12] SPEAKER_00: I reckon we might see a 105, if not a high 104.
[1:30:16] SPEAKER_00: That's my prediction.
[1:30:18] SPEAKER_00: I reckon I reckon you're gonna have to run about it.
[1:30:19] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna be for sure a fast one.
[1:30:21] SPEAKER_01: Like the course, it's crazy fast, and if it's like no wind or anything, we can run very fast there.
[1:30:28] SPEAKER_01: And when we are so many that are able to run that time, uh yeah, it will be uh a shit show.
[1:30:37] SPEAKER_00: I agree.
[1:30:38] SPEAKER_00: I reckon there will be some blow-ups, but I reckon I reckon 106 won't get it done.
[1:30:43] SPEAKER_00: I don't I reckon it won't get it done.
[1:30:44] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe, but like it depends also how much or how hard people have been riding, also.
[1:30:50] SPEAKER_01: So a 106 is also quite past on that course.
[1:30:54] SPEAKER_01: Like if you have been pushing the bike, as I think it will, since I don't think many don't want to have a big group on the run.
[1:31:02] SPEAKER_01: So if it's some of the Uber bikers there or that not so strong on a run, then you probably want to try to go hard up to uh to the top and then over, and but yeah, you also need to be quite good technical there in the downhill.
[1:31:19] SPEAKER_01: So there you can lose something, so you need to be both strong on the bike and technically good.
[1:31:26] SPEAKER_01: So if you're not that then you can struggle a little bit since it's hard to if you are one minute behind into the uh T2, then it's gonna be hard unless someone really blows up after the bike.
[1:31:39] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[1:31:40] SPEAKER_00: I can't wait.
[1:31:40] SPEAKER_00: I can't wait.
[1:31:41] SPEAKER_00: You three Norwegians, Martin Van Riel, Yellow Geans, Hayden Wilde, maybe Sam Laidlow pushing the bike if he shows up, Rico Bogan.
[1:31:49] SPEAKER_00: I just think it's gonna be an incredible race.
[1:31:51] SPEAKER_00: I can't wait for that one.
[1:31:52] SPEAKER_00: Um, I reckon that that just about does it.
[1:31:54] SPEAKER_00: That's that's almost all the questions I have for you.
[1:31:56] SPEAKER_00: I've I've pretty much grilled you for it for 90 minutes here.
[1:31:59] SPEAKER_00: I feel like I've learned so much about you.
[1:32:01] SPEAKER_00: We've been trying to do this podcast for a long time, Casper.
[1:32:04] SPEAKER_00: I reckon we first talked about doing it before the the um Topo World Championships, uh 70.3 World Championships, where I I had a suspicion that day that you were gonna podium.
[1:32:16] SPEAKER_00: This was well before the current Casper that we've seen, but you got injured just before it.
[1:32:20] SPEAKER_00: And we were messaging the day before the race.
[1:32:22] SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you remember this, um, about how you were gonna pull out because we were gonna do a podcast after the race, and and we've we've tried to make it happen about six times between now and then, and we we finally got it done, mate.
[1:32:32] SPEAKER_00: So I really appreciate you coming on and uh and giving us so much of your time.
[1:32:36] SPEAKER_00: It's it's been awesome.
[1:32:37] SPEAKER_00: You're you're a great you're a great bloke, and uh it's been a lot of fun getting to know you and and and hearing about your story here.
[1:32:42] SPEAKER_01: Thank you, thank you.
[1:32:43] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been a long time, but yeah, now we probably have a bit more to talk about, like and than before Topo.
[1:32:50] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I also think I would applaud you or could have a chance to win there, but like, yeah, it is what it is, and uh yeah, but like I'm happy, so last question I have, uh and it'll wrap it wrap everything up.
[1:33:04] SPEAKER_00: I I know this might be tough to talk about, um, and it's kind of inspired by Solvay Lovseth, because we after we finished recording our podcast, we were talking and we got talking about money and how much money's in triathlon, and when you're struggling, there's not much, and then when you you do well, suddenly you have a lot more money, but you kind of still have the mindset of a broke triathlete because that's all you've ever known.
[1:33:27] SPEAKER_00: So you like you don't want to spend your money, but over the past you know, six months of of increased um sponsorship that you would have got from your your win at the IMM World Championships and and all that's come with the prize money and all of that.
[1:33:41] SPEAKER_00: How have you found the increase in financial stability and money-making capabilities you've got from the sport?
[1:33:49] SPEAKER_00: Like, has your life changed, Mars?
[1:33:51] SPEAKER_00: Have you been spending more money?
[1:33:53] SPEAKER_00: Like, just talk to me about that as a triathlet who had hadn't had you know the big results and now suddenly, six months later, has done everything in the sport just about.
[1:34:03] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course it's changed completely, but like uh no, I haven't uh used anymore.
[1:34:11] SPEAKER_01: Like I bought myself a car, but uh that my uh fiance uh took since she gotta work uh 30 minutes from our home, and if you were gonna take the bus, it would take like 90 minutes to two hours.
[1:34:26] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, and for me it takes 10-15 minutes to get into the pool from where we live.
[1:34:32] SPEAKER_01: So then she got it, and I'm so much time away from home, but like yeah, now I haven't used anything, but I'm starting to be looking on house, a new house, big house would be nice with a training room and yeah, get some more space.
[1:34:47] SPEAKER_01: That would be nice.
[1:34:47] SPEAKER_01: Now we live in an apartment, it's big enough, but like yeah, when I now had the opportunity, I would like to yeah, get a house, get a proper training room, yeah.
[1:34:58] SPEAKER_01: Something I've been dreaming about.
[1:35:00] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, do something cool with a training room.
[1:35:03] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, that would be cool.
[1:35:06] SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, I'm still same Casper as I were before Nice, and uh yeah, the same motivation and everything.
[1:35:15] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, we do we still do it simple and yeah, don't waste anything.
[1:35:24] SPEAKER_00: When you, Christian and Gustav, go out training and you stop at the cafe or or get a burger after, who is the most likely to pull out their their card and shout everyone's meal?
[1:35:36] SPEAKER_00: And who's who's the least likely?
[1:35:38] SPEAKER_01: Uh we'll see we're quite even there.
[1:35:41] SPEAKER_01: So uh, but now yeah, it doesn't sting so much for me to do it.
[1:35:47] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, like now it's easier, but like yeah, we share, like sometimes just like ah I can take it, it's it's okay.
[1:35:56] SPEAKER_01: Like uh yeah, it it it adds up and uh yeah, so but yeah, it's nice to yeah, we just enjoy being outside and uh doing what we love.
[1:36:08] SPEAKER_01: So uh and now it's especially now when we are home, it's quite nice to be home and just enjoy Bergen.
[1:36:16] SPEAKER_01: It's been quite nice weather here, so then it's nice to go out on uh long rides, and then we stop for a coffee stop or something when we do a long ride, and uh yeah, it's it's happy days.
[1:36:29] SPEAKER_00: Must be an awesome feeling when you've been training with Christian and Gustav, who are I don't know, I maybe this is wrong, but I perceive to be you know filthy rich for a triathlete because they've won so much and you haven't won so much, so you probably don't have as much in the bank account as them, and then you finally win the same races and you look and you you go to shout the coffee and it, yeah, like you said, it doesn't sting as much.
[1:36:52] SPEAKER_00: Must be like an incredible feeling, mate.
[1:36:55] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's a nice feeling, but like it's also important to uh have the same focus as we had before.
[1:37:03] SPEAKER_01: So like many can be very motivated by that type of stuff, but like yeah, I'm uh yeah, motivated to be better and just enjoy being outside and racing.
[1:37:18] SPEAKER_01: So uh that's the important stuff, and yeah, like money is just a bonus, kind of like uh yeah, it give but it also gives you for sure a security, like you don't need to worry about anything.
[1:37:32] SPEAKER_01: I can do the preparation I want to do, go on the camps I want to do, and that's uh good security for me to know that I can do what I want to be as good as I want to be.
[1:37:46] SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
[1:37:47] SPEAKER_00: There's a really famous quote, uh Marvin Hagler once said, uh it's it's tough to get out of bed to do what's required to be a champion when you've been sleeping in silk pajamas, as in like uh when you're a bo I think it was a boxer, uh, that when you you start making money, it gets harder and harder to to stay a champion because you know you you start to live a really comfortable life.
[1:38:10] SPEAKER_00: Um and hearing what you just said then, it doesn't sound like that's gonna be a problem for you.
[1:38:14] SPEAKER_00: And and I think it is one of the incredible things about you guys, you guys just continue to have success as a training group despite the fact you've achieved it all.
[1:38:22] SPEAKER_00: So and it never sounds like motivation is an issue for any of you.
[1:38:25] SPEAKER_00: You're all the like happiest, most motivated people in triathlon.
[1:38:29] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah, uh hopefully that that continues, mate.
[1:38:32] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think like it's important to enjoy what to do and not feel it's a sacrifice going on camp and being away.
[1:38:42] SPEAKER_01: Like uh of course it's uh time that I don't get to spend with my family and my girlfriend, but like yeah, I know it's a quick just FaceTime call and then we can talk.
[1:38:57] SPEAKER_01: And when you have the support at home to do it, and you know this is this is the time of the life that it needs to be like this, and you have the support, then it's yeah, just amazing to could live a dream life that many wants to do.
[1:39:15] SPEAKER_01: So uh like and now yeah, doing everything ourselves and being our own bosses is just amazing.
[1:39:24] SPEAKER_01: We can do whatever we want, and uh yeah, we just it fe it doesn't feel like a camp.
[1:39:28] SPEAKER_01: It feels like you go on a boys' trip to yeah, to the top of a mountain in Spain and be there for uh four weeks.
[1:39:37] SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, we we really enjoy our uh company together, and um yeah.
[1:39:43] SPEAKER_00: I mean I said to you before I'm not a jealous person, and I did feel some jealousy uh back at Nice when you were running through that crowd.
[1:39:50] SPEAKER_00: And I didn't quite feel jealous then, but I got bloody close to it, and I'm sure a lot of uh a lot of people will have felt jealous of that.
[1:39:57] SPEAKER_00: You the way you talk about it, mate, it does sound like you're living the dream.
[1:40:00] SPEAKER_00: And clearly you are living your dreams, so it's awesome.
[1:40:02] SPEAKER_00: Um, like I said, Casper, uh that that'll do us here today.
[1:40:06] SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for your time, mate.
[1:40:07] SPEAKER_00: Really, really appreciate you.
[1:40:09] SPEAKER_00: Um can't wait to follow along this year.
[1:40:11] SPEAKER_00: Good luck for all of your races, particularly the big ones at the end of the year.
[1:40:16] SPEAKER_00: And it'd be awesome to get you on um sometime closer to the 70.3 world championships and Kona and just yeah, get a check in and see how everything's progressed for the year.
[1:40:24] SPEAKER_00: But uh until then, mate, um, good luck with it.
[1:40:27] SPEAKER_00: Stay healthy, stay injury free, look after that Achilles and uh and happy racing and training.
[1:40:32] SPEAKER_01: Thank you.

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