# Joe Skipper x Taylor Knibb

An episode of [The Triathlon Hour](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1595443343), 30 Jul 2025, 1 h 31 min.

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Joe Skipper sits down for his first ever episode hosting his own podcast on The Triathlon Hour and for the occasion he’s joined by the superstar Taylor Knibb. Joe & Taylor have a conversation that makes you feel like you’re sitting back on a couch around the fire with them after a day on training camp and just listening to them both share stories and have a laugh. Whether you’re out training while you listening, driving your car, on the couch having a warm beverage or doing some housework you’ll definitely love this one. Nord VPN: Take advantage of a great deal with Nord VPN use the code triathlonhour or visit nordvpn.com/triathlonhour to get a huge discount in the 2 year plans PLUS 4 extra months! It is risk free with Nord's 30 days money back guarantee! Precision: Use the code TTH25 to get 15% off your first order with Precision at Precision Fuel & Hydration or subscribe to the Patreon and access the link that will save you 20% on every order, not just your first Patreon Pillar: Use the code TTH to get 15% off your first order with Pillar Performance at Pillar Performance or use The Feed for North American customers Patreon: We put a lot of time & energy into bringing you this podcast every week and have done for 4 years now. If you appreciate what we do, we would love your support and you can do so for less than the cost of a coffee per week on Patreon - Patreon link

## Transcript

[0:21] SPEAKER_04: Hello everyone and welcome to the show.
[0:24] SPEAKER_04: I'm excited to bring you all to the first episode and the collab that you've all been waiting for, the Nib X Skipper Collab.
[0:30] SPEAKER_04: I'm looking forward to uh getting to know you a bit better, Taylor.
[0:33] SPEAKER_04: I feel you've got a very mysterious aura.
[0:36] SPEAKER_04: You're an absolute top athlete, and you can push yourself to the limits, and you're incredibly locked in.
[0:40] SPEAKER_04: But we don't really know you as a person, so I'm looking forward to finding a little bit more about you.
[0:45] SPEAKER_04: But first of all, how are you doing?
[0:47] SPEAKER_04: Uh Jack's told me that you've got quite a few questions.
[0:50] SPEAKER_04: Um I've no idea what they're like.
[0:52] SPEAKER_04: And uh as I said to you before we started recording, I'm not sure whether or not to be excited, nervous, a mixture of both.
[0:59] SPEAKER_04: But before uh we get into the uh episode, I just wanted to ask you one of the questions that uh we're all looking forward to knowing the answer to, and that is are you a tea or a coffee drinker?
[1:09] SPEAKER_02: I drink coffee, but you'll judge.
[1:13] SPEAKER_04: Really?
[1:14] SPEAKER_02: Yes, but I'm not like a fancy coffee drinker, and like it's are you a tea or a coffee drinker?
[1:21] SPEAKER_04: I'm a coffee drinker, but uh I'm I'm intrigued as to when you say you're not a fancy drinker.
[1:25] SPEAKER_04: Is that because you just do it in the uh the thing what they have in America where you just put the water in, you press the button, and uh it makes like a big black cup of uh cup of coffee and that's it, it just keeps you going all day.
[1:35] SPEAKER_02: Yes, and it might be even worse because well, so so I'll make my cup, my, my coffee, and it's kind of just an estimation of how much water I put in, so how much is made.
[1:46] SPEAKER_02: And if I have enough from the previous day, I'll drink that the next day.
[1:54] SPEAKER_04: That is time efficient.
[1:55] SPEAKER_04: That is uh uh like if if anything, I've had it.
[1:59] SPEAKER_04: That's almost as bad as instant coffee, you know, the like granules that you get that you mix up.
[2:03] SPEAKER_04: That's uh almost as bad as that.
[2:06] SPEAKER_04: But yeah, that is very time efficient, and I'm yeah, I'm not surprised.
[2:10] SPEAKER_04: I'm not surprised because you are someone who I see is like extremely locked in, you're time efficient, you don't waste time, and you just get to work.
[2:18] SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm I'm intrigued that that's my aura, but um yeah, I just don't like to waste, but I like Pike's place from Starbucks, so you can judge.
[2:27] SPEAKER_02: Um, but that's about it.
[2:29] SPEAKER_02: But are you more of like an actual like make the coffee, like the full process?
[2:34] SPEAKER_04: I like yeah, I like a flat white, or uh sometimes I'll have it black as well.
[2:37] SPEAKER_04: But it'll but yeah, um either one.
[2:39] SPEAKER_04: Like to be honest, I don't mind the ones that the the one that you have, you know, the big filter one?
[2:43] SPEAKER_04: As if you've got decent coffee, like when I'm in America, I'll just go with that, you know.
[2:46] SPEAKER_04: Like I'm uh but yeah, I do like a I am partial to a nice flat white.
[2:50] SPEAKER_04: Can you get any decent uh like coffees in Boulder?
[2:53] SPEAKER_04: You know, if you go out after training or you meet up with friends and you go to a cafe, is there any good ones there?
[2:57] SPEAKER_02: I'm sure there are.
[2:59] SPEAKER_02: There's actually a really good one right where I live.
[3:01] SPEAKER_02: Um but I don't go there very often.
[3:04] SPEAKER_02: So yes.
[3:06] SPEAKER_02: It's about 200 meters from my door, and everyone says it's great coffee, but I think I've gone twice.
[3:11] SPEAKER_04: So I would imagine, like, after a tough swim set, you and Morgan Pearson or Rudy and the whole gang would go there, like have a coffee.
[3:19] SPEAKER_04: That's who you train with, isn't it?
[3:20] SPEAKER_04: I think like uh the whole group of you, isn't it, that's that swim together.
[3:24] SPEAKER_04: I could imagine you all like going there and having a bit of banter after training.
[3:28] SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
[3:29] SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't really swim with Rudy.
[3:30] SPEAKER_02: I swam with him maybe once or twice a few years ago.
[3:34] SPEAKER_02: And the most fascinating thing was like, so I touched the wall and I touched the wall before him.
[3:40] SPEAKER_02: And every time he was like, what was your time on that?
[3:42] SPEAKER_02: What was your time on that?
[3:43] SPEAKER_02: What was your time on that?
[3:44] SPEAKER_02: Every single rep.
[3:46] SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, well, start swimming faster to figure it out.
[3:48] SPEAKER_04: That's what I was gonna say.
[3:49] SPEAKER_04: You should have said to him.
[3:50] SPEAKER_04: You should have said, if you were swimming a bit quicker, you'd know exactly what time I was coming in, mate.
[3:54] SPEAKER_04: Until then, you'll have to wait, you'll have to you'll have to guess.
[3:58] SPEAKER_04: That is exactly what I would have said to him if he kept asking me that, like if I was ahead of him.
[4:04] SPEAKER_02: There's only been one other person who's asked me what my times were.
[4:07] SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
[4:08] SPEAKER_04: Who was that?
[4:08] SPEAKER_04: Who was the other person that asked you what your times were?
[4:10] SPEAKER_02: Chelsea Sodaro.
[4:12] SPEAKER_02: So Chelsea and Rudy are just like-minded, I guess.
[4:16] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and what was Chelsea quick enough uh to uh to to well, I guess she wasn't quick enough to to find out, or she wouldn't need it to ask.
[4:23] SPEAKER_04: So Chelsea was another one that you uh you almost had to give the cold shoulder to and say, look, guys, like you know, if you swim quicker, you'll find out for yourselves.
[4:31] SPEAKER_04: But until then, unlucky, you're not gonna know.
[4:34] SPEAKER_02: I'll tell them.
[4:35] SPEAKER_02: I mean, what do you have to hide?
[4:36] SPEAKER_02: Like, you learn to swim in practice.
[4:39] SPEAKER_02: Like, congratulations.
[4:41] SPEAKER_04: Oh, hold on a sec, my doorbell's going.
[4:42] SPEAKER_02: Don't you bark during races?
[4:44] SPEAKER_02: So, I mean it's just like your persona coming through.
[4:47] SPEAKER_04: It is my persona coming through, yeah.
[4:49] SPEAKER_04: And you can see I'm just surrounded by there's dogs everywhere, isn't there?
[4:53] SPEAKER_04: You know, and it they always seem to cut it, always seems like a delivery person.
[4:56] SPEAKER_04: If I'm ever doing a podcast, that always seems to happen when I'm doing it, and the dogs are always uh going mad, like it's absolute carnage.
[5:04] SPEAKER_04: But um, yeah, so uh what are some of these uh questions then, Taylor, that you've got like uh Well, what angle do you want to start?
[5:12] SPEAKER_02: Because Jack told me that this is supposed to be a very deep and meaningful um podcast and different from any other trathlon content contest.
[5:21] SPEAKER_04: Well, Jack's literally just my briefing is just just be yourself, mate.
[5:27] SPEAKER_04: Just have a conversation with Taylor and see where it goes.
[5:30] SPEAKER_04: So uh yeah, like uh I'm I'm open to uh wherever you want to start off, really, and uh yeah, we'll just uh see where it goes and uh see where we end up in conversation.
[5:39] SPEAKER_04: So uh it's totally up to you.
[5:41] SPEAKER_04: The ball's in your court, as they say.
[5:43] SPEAKER_02: Okay.
[5:43] SPEAKER_02: So I'm not sure where to start because you don't really like so so I did listen to your podcast last week with Jack, and I found it very interesting that you ride your road bike more than your time trial bike.
[5:55] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um I'm just not too like I think if you ride them too much, it just gets you really tight and stuff.
[6:02] SPEAKER_04: Uh, and I don't think it's that good to ride it too much, it's too not beneficial.
[6:06] SPEAKER_04: I think you ride it enough that you can get used to it and that you can, you know, put out good power in the races and stuff, but any more past that, I just think it's like you're not really gaining anymore.
[6:15] SPEAKER_04: And that's also a lot nicer to ride your road bike, personally.
[6:18] SPEAKER_04: I I find.
[6:19] SPEAKER_04: I mean, what about you?
[6:20] SPEAKER_04: I mean, you come from like short distance racing, so you've obviously you probably before you got into long distance, you were riding the road bike all the time.
[6:27] SPEAKER_04: Like, have you do you fight do you find you need to ride it a lot or uh do you just ride it enough?
[6:31] SPEAKER_02: I tighten up and I feel it in my swim when I'm riding my TT bike too much.
[6:35] SPEAKER_02: So therefore it's like I like to only ride my TT bike two or three times a week, max.
[6:40] SPEAKER_04: Do you find then if you were like when so when you first started doing like long course and you were you must have like gone for a period where you thought, right, I need to ride the TT bike my loads, and then you were feeling yourself tighten up.
[6:50] SPEAKER_04: Did you find you were actually swimming worse then?
[6:52] SPEAKER_04: You got to the point where you thought, actually, I I'm feeling terrible in the water, like this is and then you stopped riding it so much, and then it came back a little bit and you felt a lot more flexible.
[7:00] SPEAKER_04: Is that how it went?
[7:01] SPEAKER_04: Or like what how did it what did you think?
[7:03] SPEAKER_02: I just have to get treatment on it when I'm doing it.
[7:05] SPEAKER_02: So when I'm like in TT focus blocks, because like last year I had to like scrunch myself up for Paris, because I have different positions for like long course or like Trathlon versus the UCI position, um, because they're just like slightly different rules.
[7:17] SPEAKER_04: Have you been in the wind tunnel then and tested them?
[7:20] SPEAKER_04: Or did you just do them on the Velodrome?
[7:22] SPEAKER_02: Neither.
[7:23] SPEAKER_02: Would you like to be completely horrified?
[7:26] SPEAKER_02: Um, I've never tested my time travel position.
[7:29] SPEAKER_04: So have you done anything with like anyone where you've like sent them your files or anything and they've like run it through some software to see like what they think your CDA is, or did you just like set it up?
[7:38] SPEAKER_04: You thought you went for a bite fit, they said this looks good, and you thought, yeah, I'll get on it.
[7:42] SPEAKER_04: You smashed it in the races, dropped everyone, you thought, yeah, it seems to do the job.
[7:45] SPEAKER_02: Well, so do you want something actually horrifying that's probably not a good thing to share?
[7:49] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, go on in.
[7:50] SPEAKER_02: So last year before Oceanside, I got Matt Botwell was in town.
[7:55] SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you know him.
[7:56] SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
[7:57] SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Can you please let me have a look at your position?
[8:00] SPEAKER_02: It's awful.
[8:01] SPEAKER_02: And so he like looks at my position and he's like, the only thing I like are your shoulders.
[8:04] SPEAKER_02: I'm like, well, those are coming with every position.
[8:06] SPEAKER_02: So good news.
[8:07] SPEAKER_02: Good news for you.
[8:08] SPEAKER_02: So he gets me a new position on it's eight days out from the race, sets up a whole new front end, new position.
[8:15] SPEAKER_02: I ride it once Saturday.
[8:16] SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that was good.
[8:18] SPEAKER_02: We're good.
[8:19] SPEAKER_02: I ride it once outside, and then I'm like, after the race, I told Dan, my coach, I'm like, yeah, you know that position I wrote in the race.
[8:26] SPEAKER_02: I'd only ridden it once before.
[8:27] SPEAKER_02: I think it was good.
[8:28] SPEAKER_02: But um, yes, so that's kind of how I operate.
[8:31] SPEAKER_04: But you had an awesome ride at Oceanside that year because I was uh I was there as well, and you won it by loads on the bike, didn't you?
[8:39] SPEAKER_04: That like set you up massively, and then you ran well as well, from what I remember.
[8:42] SPEAKER_04: Like you must have run like a 118 or something.
[8:44] SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't know if it was 118 last year.
[8:46] SPEAKER_02: That was the first year I I did it in 2022, I think.
[8:50] SPEAKER_02: Um but anyway, so yes, anyway, but that's so that's the thing.
[8:53] SPEAKER_02: Like you kind of just feel and know, like, okay, this works, this doesn't work, and I felt like I could put more power down, so that's how it worked.
[8:59] SPEAKER_04: Do you think you'll go to the wind tunnel in the future, or are you just not that fast?
[9:03] SPEAKER_04: Because I mean you could be set, you could be like, there could be benefits that you could get from that.
[9:07] SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, like, go looking at Texas this year, you and Kat had a big battle, and like potentially you could be leaving something on the table.
[9:13] SPEAKER_04: I mean, you don't know, you might already be really dialed in, but like it could be some uh good gains to be had there.
[9:19] SPEAKER_02: Well, yes, I've I'm not dialed.
[9:21] SPEAKER_02: I know that.
[9:21] SPEAKER_02: I'm not detail oriented, I know that.
[9:23] SPEAKER_02: Um, and so but I'm actually I'm scheduled to go to the wind tunnel on August 11th.
[9:28] SPEAKER_04: Oh right.
[9:29] SPEAKER_04: Wow.
[9:29] SPEAKER_04: This is gonna this is like this is gonna like send shockwaves of fear to your competitors then, knowing that like now Taylor's gonna get dialed.
[9:37] SPEAKER_04: She's just been doing this off like uh off like looking aero look-wise.
[9:42] SPEAKER_02: No, but the danger is sometimes.
[9:43] SPEAKER_02: So have you done a lot of time in the wind tunnel?
[9:46] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I've been quite a few times, yeah.
[9:48] SPEAKER_02: So so Dan said that the issue is sometimes you get slower before you get faster.
[9:52] SPEAKER_02: So, like, that's my concern.
[9:55] SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, I get slower before I get faster.
[9:58] SPEAKER_04: That is that can be true because you can set like a faster position.
[10:01] SPEAKER_04: And also, people get carried away because they keep telling you, oh, you can save this much, you can save this much, and you think, oh, that's good.
[10:07] SPEAKER_04: I might push it a little bit more, a little bit more when you first go in there, and then all of a sudden you get this position which is on paper supposed to be quicker, but then you can't put as much power down.
[10:14] SPEAKER_04: It's all it's all like a trade-off, isn't it?
[10:16] SPEAKER_04: It's like you can save 20 watts on aero, but then if you're losing 25-30 watts in power and it doesn't actually come back, then you're actually at a net deficit, aren't you?
[10:24] SPEAKER_04: And you can get a more faster position that you will get used to eventually, but like you say, before you get used to it, you're putting a little you can be feeling a little bit worse and not going as quick.
[10:33] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, you can definitely feel like that.
[10:34] SPEAKER_04: But I think you've got to be honest with yourself when you go in there and think really think like, can you ride them positions?
[10:39] SPEAKER_04: Because I know loads of people that go in there and they get carried away and they get a position that looks fantastic and then they come out when they never get used to it and they're riding worse.
[10:46] SPEAKER_04: But I mean your position like must be pretty decent with uh how you're going, unless uh you're putting out some extraordinary numbers, like uh maybe you're putting out some real big numbers as well.
[10:57] SPEAKER_02: I don't think my power is that impressive, but that's just me.
[11:00] SPEAKER_02: So I don't see anyone else's power file, so I'm just like used to my data, so I'm just like, yeah, that was good, that wasn't good, not happy with that, fine with that.
[11:10] SPEAKER_04: So it's you hide your data, don't you, as well?
[11:13] SPEAKER_04: Like online.
[11:13] SPEAKER_04: Because one of my uh friends said, like, uh I was asking a few people what they want to know, and they said uh that Taylor, Taylor hides her data, like what what why does she hide it?
[11:22] SPEAKER_04: Is that just because, like, I mean, fair enough, like if you do, because you don't necessarily want to give your competitors everything, do you?
[11:28] SPEAKER_04: And you don't really want them to know how aero you are, what power you're putting out, do you?
[11:33] SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't really share my data either.
[11:35] SPEAKER_02: So is that hiding it?
[11:38] SPEAKER_04: Not really.
[11:39] SPEAKER_04: I didn't know you didn't share it.
[11:40] SPEAKER_04: This is just what this is just what I've been taught.
[11:42] SPEAKER_04: This is just what I've been told.
[11:43] SPEAKER_04: So I just I just assumed that you were uploading it to something like Strava and then like hiding the power.
[11:48] SPEAKER_04: But if you don't, if you're like completely oblivious to on there, then it's not like you're hiding the power, it's like you're just not showing anyone what you're doing at all.
[11:55] SPEAKER_04: So uh yeah.
[11:56] SPEAKER_02: Well I think I have a few rides on Strava because when I was injured one summer, I was doing a lot of like QOMs in Boulder just for fun.
[12:05] SPEAKER_02: Um, and I got criticized for some of the rides because like I would do the ride, like the segment that I wanted, I would do as a file.
[12:13] SPEAKER_02: So then I just upload that.
[12:15] SPEAKER_02: And people are like, Well, how did you get down the mountain?
[12:17] SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Well, obviously I rode, but I don't you don't know how I got to the mountain either.
[12:21] SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, you basically just uploaded it like you were doing a TT effort.
[12:25] SPEAKER_04: Like, if I was doing like a time trial, like in a race, I'm not gonna upload my whole warm-up where I'm doing like 10-15 miles like messing around and like stopping and stuff.
[12:34] SPEAKER_04: I'm just uploading the TT as a pure file, you know?
[12:37] SPEAKER_04: Like that's what it is.
[12:38] SPEAKER_04: Like, and no one's saying to me, Well, how did you get to the time trial?
[12:41] SPEAKER_04: It's like, well, obviously, I you know, in this case, I drove, like I did a warm-up and then I just smashed it for 20 or 30 minutes, and uh that's what you're seeing.
[12:50] SPEAKER_02: Well, same with the race.
[12:52] SPEAKER_02: Like, do you do a warm-up for races?
[12:54] SPEAKER_04: For what triathlons?
[12:55] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[12:56] SPEAKER_04: If I can, I get in there and do a little swim.
[12:58] SPEAKER_04: But um, what do you do for a warm-up for a race?
[13:01] SPEAKER_04: Because it's always pretty hard, isn't it, in the morning.
[13:03] SPEAKER_04: I mean, like T100, you've got like loads of time because they start like later in the day generally, don't they?
[13:07] SPEAKER_04: But like for an Iron Man, what do you do?
[13:09] SPEAKER_02: Well, from my two Ironmans, I don't think we can ascertain, like, get that much.
[13:13] SPEAKER_02: I did do a bike warm-up for Kona, I will admit that.
[13:16] SPEAKER_02: Because I had I had multiple bikes on the island.
[13:19] SPEAKER_02: So then when you have multiple bikes, but legally, so I asked, just for everyone to know, legally, you're allowed to bring a trainer into an Iron Man transition area and do the warm-up.
[13:31] SPEAKER_02: But legally, an official can't tell you you're allowed to if they if you ask, because like 70 people couldn't do that, they don't have room for 70 trainers.
[13:39] SPEAKER_02: But if you wanted to, you could bring your feedback sports trainer the morning of and warm up in transition.
[13:44] SPEAKER_04: I've seen people do that before.
[13:45] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I can't remember if it was like Daniela Reef or uh Nicolas Firi, they got like I was at a I can't remember if it's a 70.3 or a full distance, and they were literally on the on the trainer, like one of them feedback ones warming up before it, which would actually be like real handy because I think I'd feel much better if I did like an easy ride for a warm-up before an Iron Man.
[14:04] SPEAKER_02: Or even hard, because like if you want to like get your core temperature up higher.
[14:08] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just get ready.
[14:09] SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, like you need to absolutely send it, don't you, at the start of the swim.
[14:12] SPEAKER_04: Well, I do anyway, to try and I'm like hanging on for grim death.
[14:15] SPEAKER_04: Like uh I have a I need to be like really primed before I start in the swim and then just hope that I get a good start.
[14:22] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so like in Vancouver, for example, when I I think we started at noon, and so when I woke up, I did a run and like 25-minute jog with strides in the morning.
[14:30] SPEAKER_02: I had my breakfast, I got ready for the race, and then at 10:30, I did a 30-minute bike warm-up, and then at like 11:30, I got in and I did a whole lap of the swim.
[14:42] SPEAKER_02: Um, so like a thousand meters.
[14:44] SPEAKER_02: So that was my warm-up for the race.
[14:46] SPEAKER_02: And the the only other person who was doing a bike warm-up that day was Julie Duron.
[14:50] SPEAKER_04: Um, so that's like you know when you race, um Julie, it's been like like she's getting closer to you now, isn't she?
[14:57] SPEAKER_04: And you've had some good ding-dongs with her.
[15:00] SPEAKER_04: Do you embrace the challenge?
[15:01] SPEAKER_04: Because in some of these T100 races, like certainly last year, you had it your own way and you were like sending it at the bike, and that was it, you were gone.
[15:09] SPEAKER_04: And now sometimes some of the girls are giving you a bit more like a bit of a run for your money.
[15:14] SPEAKER_04: Do you enjoy that a lot more?
[15:15] SPEAKER_04: Because it's actually like you know that you need to have your A game kind of thing, and that there's actually gonna be some competition.
[15:21] SPEAKER_04: Because was it getting to the point where you were kind of like thinking when you were doing some of these, oh, I'm gonna have four or five minutes on the run, and it's just not as exciting because you kind you're not I mean, it must be great that you're winning, and it's like you can it's up to you like at that point how hard you were gonna go, but there's nothing like being pushed to your limits and then coming out on top, you know, and just thinking, oh wow, that was that was close, but I so pleased that I managed to get the edge on those those other girls.
[15:48] SPEAKER_04: Like, what was it like that?
[15:50] SPEAKER_04: Like, how did how do you how do you find it?
[15:51] SPEAKER_04: Do you does it give that you that extra like motivation in training to really push on, knowing that girls are like trying to, well, they're they're taking shots at you now, aren't they?
[16:00] SPEAKER_04: They're coming for you.
[16:01] SPEAKER_02: Well, I think everyone always has.
[16:03] SPEAKER_02: Um, and I also like you also imagine who's not there and so and how they'll affect the races.
[16:09] SPEAKER_02: Like last fall, like Lucy wasn't racing, and so, but you know she's gonna come back and come back stronger.
[16:14] SPEAKER_02: So you also have to like think about who's there on that day and who is capable of being there on that day.
[16:19] SPEAKER_02: Um, and also if you remember Dubai, that was a very close race for a very long time.
[16:25] SPEAKER_04: You know, in Dubai, obviously, like uh there's that there's the viral thing, isn't there, where you like told the camera person, can you not get my ass?
[16:34] SPEAKER_04: Like, did you know, did you in your eyes, did you like have no idea how close they were behind you?
[16:38] SPEAKER_04: Did you just think this is flipping close?
[16:40] SPEAKER_04: If I stop, I'm gonna lose first place here.
[16:43] SPEAKER_04: Or like, like, I don't mean I don't know how many splits you get like when you're racing in those, like okay.
[16:49] SPEAKER_02: Well, so so in Dubai, I think well, I had you you can do the math sometimes, like when you see competitors, and you can also see how it's changing.
[16:57] SPEAKER_02: And then but so on the run, I had people giving me splits.
[17:01] SPEAKER_02: I could see how it was the gap was closing at one point, but also for the grandstands, they had a screen.
[17:08] SPEAKER_02: And so they had all the athletes with their splits on it.
[17:13] SPEAKER_02: So in in WTCS races, this is the same thing.
[17:15] SPEAKER_02: Sometimes if you find the screen, you can get the best data because it's the live stream with the data.
[17:20] SPEAKER_02: So also it was like Patrick had asked me before the race, which would you prefer to win the race the world title?
[17:25] SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, the world title.
[17:27] SPEAKER_02: So as Ashley was closing on me, I wasn't as stressed because I was holding to Julie.
[17:32] SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, Ashley can beat me and I can get second.
[17:35] SPEAKER_02: I just can't get third if Ashley and so like the fact that Julie wasn't running really well helped me because otherwise I don't know what I would have done.
[17:42] SPEAKER_02: I probably would have freaked out and probably imploded even more.
[17:45] SPEAKER_04: But that was the race that made me become uh a fan of yours.
[17:49] SPEAKER_04: That was why because of the mindset, like uh obviously, like uh with what happened towards the end of the race.
[17:59] SPEAKER_04: I mean, for anyone that's that's not sure, I mean you can go back and watch the coverage, like we don't really need to go into loads of it.
[18:04] SPEAKER_04: But to be but I think that you showed like such a tough mindset and like the real like killer instinct, you know, it was like I'm not stopping for anything, girls, like tough luck, you know.
[18:15] SPEAKER_04: Like, if you want to beat me, you need to fucking you know be on your A game and nothing is stopping me.
[18:21] SPEAKER_04: I'm locked in.
[18:21] SPEAKER_04: That was literally what I describe you as locked in, and I was like, fucking hell, like this girl doesn't take prisoners, you know, she's like an absolute animal.
[18:29] SPEAKER_04: Like, and I thought, yeah, like I'm a fan of Taylor Nib, like uh after Dubai.
[18:34] SPEAKER_02: Thank you, except for the fact that you didn't hear some of my self-talk during the race, like during the swim on the second lap, like I knew Ashley and Julie were in the group because I had seen they were in the group.
[18:44] SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
[18:45] SPEAKER_02: And I was like asking myself, because I was like, I could tell I was starting to like freak out a little bit, and I'm like, Taylor, are you crumbling under pressure?
[18:52] SPEAKER_02: Like, no, like you gotta like get back in it, and so like just kind of like how you talk to yourself during the race.
[18:58] SPEAKER_04: Um I totally uh relate to that because I I find that like I get like voices in my head kind of thing, exactly like you said, where sometimes it's going well, sometimes it's not going well, and you doubt yourself and you ask yourself questions.
[19:12] SPEAKER_04: And I think that that is such a common thing that people do, but it's also interesting to hear it coming from uh you who's been performing at such a high level.
[19:20] SPEAKER_04: Obviously, you were leading the series and stuff like that, but then you're still asking yourself questions, but then you've managed to come through, you manage to, you know, win the race in the end, and it's it's really n nice in a way to hear that you know, even people that have been winning races and doing it on a regular basis.
[19:36] SPEAKER_04: I mean, like, no one would have thought that, would they?
[19:38] SPEAKER_04: You know, like if you see someone who's winning a lot of races, you always assume that they're super confident in their head, they don't have doubts, and it's just not realistic, is it?
[19:46] SPEAKER_04: I think everyone has doubts and they question themselves at points, but it's just about how you manage to put that aside and then you come through it, and then uh yeah, and then like you did, you managed to, you know, get the win, you fought off some of the top girls and uh became world champion in the T100.
[20:01] SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's uh it was amazing, and it's yeah, nice to hear that you managed to talk through the demons, you know, and or just get refocused, because I think that's the more important thing of like, okay, like you can have thoughts, but you are not your thoughts, and you don't have to like how do you respond to each of them?
[20:16] SPEAKER_02: Like, as long as you continue to do what you're gonna do, you can have any of the thoughts you want.
[20:20] SPEAKER_04: So, how did you refocus then?
[20:22] SPEAKER_04: Because uh did did did you drop them in the swim?
[20:25] SPEAKER_04: Like, I can't remember like how it went.
[20:27] SPEAKER_04: So, talk me through like how you managed to refocus yourself during that like swim or the bike, or when you started speak like uh having more of a positive self-talk.
[20:37] SPEAKER_02: Oh well, there I don't think there was any positive self-talk the entire race, to be perfectly honest.
[20:42] SPEAKER_02: It was just um like it's it's kind of the mindset, and this is like my coach's mindset, not his mindset, but like what he tells me, is like you have to focus on getting yourself to the finish line the fastest you can.
[20:54] SPEAKER_02: And so as long as you're doing whatever you can in that moment, like to the best of your ability, like having that faith that that's gonna get you the best result because you can't control what anyone else does.
[21:04] SPEAKER_02: And so, like when they're in the group, like I could have surged on the swim, but I probably would have overheated myself.
[21:08] SPEAKER_02: And so then that's not gonna help me.
[21:10] SPEAKER_02: So it's like, no, you're doing the best you can, you're executing the best race you can, and you have to like wait until like see how it goes and see how the cards fall into place.
[21:18] SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I had I think a minute and 23 seconds 60k into the bike.
[21:23] SPEAKER_02: Like, I was not expecting that.
[21:25] SPEAKER_02: I was hoping for a little bit more.
[21:27] SPEAKER_04: When you managed to like put the move in and break the elastic with them girls, could you see their body language on the bike that they were struggling a little bit?
[21:35] SPEAKER_04: Or and then did you like up the power, or did you just ride your own power and they just gradually fall off?
[21:40] SPEAKER_04: And then that was how you started to pull away from them?
[21:43] SPEAKER_02: Well, that wasn't I didn't feel like there was an elastic band breaking at any point of that race.
[21:46] SPEAKER_02: Like that race, I felt like it was just like a trudge the whole way through, and just like it was just like so on the edge the whole entire race.
[21:55] SPEAKER_02: But maybe that's just from my side.
[21:57] SPEAKER_04: Did they look like they were hanging on to you though when you saw When you could see them, like, or did they look like did they look like comfortable?
[22:03] SPEAKER_04: You know, when they were like holding the gap up to a minute or like even because they were riding with you, weren't they, for quite some time as well.
[22:09] SPEAKER_04: Like it took a while, didn't it, before you even like, you know, got 10 seconds, 20 seconds on them.
[22:14] SPEAKER_04: So did they look like they were comfortable and you were thinking, oh, like I'm I wasn't expecting these girls to ride as quick as that, or were they looking like they were tired and you just weren't putting out the power that you would normally put out?
[22:27] SPEAKER_04: Like, how was that?
[22:29] SPEAKER_02: Well, so I also I kind of knew what power I was putting out, and I'm like, okay, I'm not riding horribly, I'm riding decently.
[22:34] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[22:35] SPEAKER_02: And so then you also have to understand like the energy expenditure of that.
[22:38] SPEAKER_02: And it's like, it's one thing if someone runs four minutes into you, if they bike 10 minutes slower than you.
[22:43] SPEAKER_02: It's another thing if you guys ride the same time, that run split gap is going to be different.
[22:48] SPEAKER_02: And so, like, however much harder they're working, you have to have some kind of faith and confidence, especially because we had raced each other the whole fall.
[22:55] SPEAKER_02: It wasn't like we hadn't seen each other in a year.
[22:57] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's different because like you can make those kinds of gains in a year, you can't really make them in four weeks.
[23:01] SPEAKER_04: I don't think you knew you were riding decent power and you were like, they're gonna fold at some point because they're well out biking compared to what they have all year, basically.
[23:08] SPEAKER_04: And then the a lot they they you broke you got a minute 20 at 60k, but then by 80k you had probably like three minutes or something like that.
[23:13] SPEAKER_02: And it was like No, it's 246 into T2.
[23:16] SPEAKER_04: 246.
[23:17] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's that's that's that's that's good though that you managed to hold them off because that's probably one of the smallest step smallest times that you've had off the bike, isn't it?
[23:25] SPEAKER_04: On those girls, like normally it's like five, six minutes.
[23:27] SPEAKER_02: Well, it depends on the race.
[23:28] SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, but but also I knew that morning I I messaged Dan, I was like, Oh, I feel awful this morning.
[23:34] SPEAKER_02: Like I feel absolutely like I just want to go back to bed.
[23:38] SPEAKER_02: I was like, I was having kind of like a cortisol response, like I was retaining water, I was just like puffy in my face and puffy everywhere.
[23:44] SPEAKER_02: So maybe I was like becoming a camel and saving water for later meet.
[23:49] SPEAKER_04: Too much time in the desert.
[23:53] SPEAKER_02: But so he don't worry, he like he called me down.
[23:56] SPEAKER_02: He was like, you know what, like you can't control it.
[23:58] SPEAKER_02: You just have to like do the best you can.
[24:00] SPEAKER_02: That's all you can ask for.
[24:01] SPEAKER_02: So it sounds very like cliche and very like touchy-feely, but it's actually true.
[24:06] SPEAKER_04: But I think that is, yeah, like you say, it is true.
[24:08] SPEAKER_04: You can only do the best you can do, and it's either good enough or it's not, but like you can't suddenly gain an extra 10% on your performance, can you?
[24:14] SPEAKER_04: It is what it is on the day, isn't it?
[24:15] SPEAKER_04: And like I think that's the some of the reasons why some people have bad races and they end up getting like really down about it because they set themselves unreal expectations or expect to do their best race every single time, and it's just not it's just not possible to perform, you know, to every every race can't be better than the last.
[24:33] SPEAKER_04: It's just you you hope it is, but it just doesn't go that way, does it?
[24:36] SPEAKER_04: And you can only do what you've got on that day.
[24:38] SPEAKER_02: But learning how to do your best on every single day that you have is also like I think it's liberating and freeing, because like as long as you're confident that like that was the best effort I had on that day, then I couldn't do any more.
[24:52] SPEAKER_00: I've always received heaps of messages from people who listen to this podcast and are frustrated about how inconvenient it is to watch Triton or how annoying some aspects of trying to watch Triton are.
[25:03] SPEAKER_00: In the US, you're paying for one streaming service to watch Iron Man and sitting through ads, and I get lots of messages about how for some races you can't even watch the replay of it after it's finished, and then in the UK you're paying for another streaming service to watch T100.
[25:16] SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, in countries like Australia, you can watch both Iron Man and T100 for free on YouTube with way less ads, and it's just super convenient.
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[28:04] SPEAKER_04: I want to like go back a little bit and uh growing up, like when did you get into triathlon and where did you grow up?
[28:13] SPEAKER_04: Have you always lived in Boulder or like where No, okay, so I grew up, it's actually funny that funny.
[28:19] SPEAKER_02: I I did my first triathlon ex almost exactly 16 years ago.
[28:24] SPEAKER_02: I it was July 26th, 2009.
[28:27] SPEAKER_02: It was a small kids' race, I was 11.
[28:30] SPEAKER_02: Um, but I grew up on the east coast of the United States.
[28:32] SPEAKER_02: I grew up in DC, actually DC.
[28:34] SPEAKER_02: Like people ask, like, oh, around like, no, like Washington, DC, the capital of the United States.
[28:39] SPEAKER_02: So non-state.
[28:41] SPEAKER_02: But um yes, so that's how did you get into triathlon?
[28:44] SPEAKER_04: Were your parents into triathlon or like was it school that got you into it?
[28:48] SPEAKER_02: Sorry, that's a funny question.
[28:49] SPEAKER_02: Because if you knew the school I went to, it was not athletically inclined in any way, shape, or form um at all.
[28:57] SPEAKER_02: Like no no athletics, really, pretty much.
[29:00] SPEAKER_04: What no one did anything, they just didn't encourage it, or like they were just against it.
[29:05] SPEAKER_02: Well, not that they were against it, they just weren't very good athletes.
[29:08] SPEAKER_02: And that's being mean because like some people were good athletes, but it wasn't really prioritized.
[29:12] SPEAKER_02: Like academics were very much prioritized, and it was like highly competitive, and there were kind of some unique people there.
[29:19] SPEAKER_04: Um, and it was just it was sports were not very So who was there when you say there were some unique people, like politicians, famous politicians, or like who were who were kids.
[29:32] SPEAKER_02: The politicians weren't attending a K through 12 school.
[29:35] SPEAKER_04: Um, but are they like are they politicians now?
[29:38] SPEAKER_04: Like who we know about them?
[29:39] SPEAKER_04: Because they must mean they're like 27 years old, aren't they?
[29:42] SPEAKER_02: So I No, no, yeah, no, yeah, no, they're kids.
[29:45] SPEAKER_02: Their kids were in my classes.
[29:47] SPEAKER_02: Um and so it's funny.
[29:48] SPEAKER_02: So if you ever watch like some of the TV shows about DC, they might portray a Quaker school, and they always portray it wrong.
[29:56] SPEAKER_02: But so I went to Sidwell Friends School, it's a Quaker school, and I don't know if you know what Quakerism is.
[30:01] SPEAKER_04: I have absolutely no idea what a Quaker school is.
[30:03] SPEAKER_04: Like I've never heard of that.
[30:05] SPEAKER_04: Like, is it a religious, like a religion?
[30:07] SPEAKER_02: Well, it's a religion, um, but like the view is like there's that in God and everyone, and so they sit in silent meeting.
[30:15] SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm gonna reveal that I didn't really learn that much in my 13 years I spent there.
[30:19] SPEAKER_04: Don't worry, Taylor.
[30:20] SPEAKER_04: I like I didn't learn much in my 13 years at school either.
[30:25] SPEAKER_02: So But so we have meeting for worship, and every week, starting like in kindergarten, I think it was only like 20 minutes, but you'd sit in a room in silence with everyone.
[30:35] SPEAKER_02: And it like built up when you were in middle school and then in high school.
[30:37] SPEAKER_02: But if like if you were moved to speak, you could speak.
[30:40] SPEAKER_02: In my freshman year, there was a senior who every single week she was moved to speak, so it was like Astrid would just say whatever she wanted to say.
[30:48] SPEAKER_02: Um, yes, but so the Quakerism backdrop, it meant that also we didn't have class rankings because that wasn't Quaker, everyone's equal.
[30:57] SPEAKER_04: So all right.
[30:58] SPEAKER_04: So, how did you get into triathlon then?
[31:00] SPEAKER_04: Was it your parents then that were into sport?
[31:02] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my mom raced.
[31:04] SPEAKER_02: Um, and so and I was that kid who like I hated being out on the sidelines.
[31:07] SPEAKER_02: I'm a tiny bit competitive a lot, and so I was just like, this is not fun standing on the sidelines.
[31:12] SPEAKER_04: I want to be out there, and I think I yeah, so was your mom a runner or was she a triathlete then as well?
[31:17] SPEAKER_02: She did triathlons like mostly for fun.
[31:19] SPEAKER_02: Um, yes.
[31:20] SPEAKER_04: So she was like an OG, wasn't she, really?
[31:23] SPEAKER_04: You know, like back into early 2000s.
[31:25] SPEAKER_04: Like the sport wasn't massive then, was it?
[31:28] SPEAKER_04: So she was uh she's probably seen it change a lot.
[31:31] SPEAKER_02: Oh, definitely, but you've probably seen it change a lot too.
[31:34] SPEAKER_02: How did you get into triathlon?
[31:36] SPEAKER_04: Um, I got in at the start actually.
[31:38] SPEAKER_04: I I first started when I was uh about 13.
[31:42] SPEAKER_04: I was just cycling and I was doing a bit of no, I was actually doing a bit of running and swimming.
[31:46] SPEAKER_04: Actually, cycling was the one that I started last.
[31:48] SPEAKER_04: And my dad was like, I'll get he was a cyclist, and he was like, I get you a bike for Christmas and you could do a triathlon.
[31:53] SPEAKER_04: And I was like, what is a triathlon?
[31:55] SPEAKER_04: He was like swimming, biking and running.
[31:56] SPEAKER_04: I was like, Yeah, sweet, that sounds that sounds alright, you know.
[32:00] SPEAKER_04: And at the time, they didn't even have like online entries.
[32:03] SPEAKER_04: I remember where we used to go for like swimming with the club, they'd put like an entry form on the uh notice board and you'd have to take it off, fill it up, post it, and that was how you'd enter the race, and then you'd get all the stuff, yeah, you'd get all the stuff sent through the post.
[32:14] SPEAKER_04: There wasn't any like online entries or anything, you know, crazy, isn't it?
[32:17] SPEAKER_04: To think about that now.
[32:18] SPEAKER_02: Oh, maybe Iron Man should re-adopt that because I don't like the new stressful system of like checking the race entries every week to enter.
[32:25] SPEAKER_02: Um, so I prefer in person.
[32:28] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was like for local races though.
[32:29] SPEAKER_04: That was like old school.
[32:30] SPEAKER_04: This is like when I was like 13.
[32:32] SPEAKER_04: This is like 2020 uh 2000 uh, I think it was 2001 when I did my first triathlon, and I was like 11, something like that.
[32:40] SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
[32:41] SPEAKER_04: 13, no, I'd have been 13.
[32:43] SPEAKER_04: 13, so a couple of years older than what you were when you did your first one.
[32:47] SPEAKER_04: Um so you know when you were you going originally then to watch your mom do triathlons, and then you were like, I wanna, I wanna get stuck in here.
[32:54] SPEAKER_04: I think I could do this, it looks pretty fun.
[32:56] SPEAKER_04: I think I could do quite well, or were you just like actually looks fun?
[32:58] SPEAKER_04: I just give it a crack and see what happens.
[33:00] SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't think you can say you do quite well until you line up.
[33:04] SPEAKER_02: Like you never know what's gonna happen.
[33:05] SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I was like that 12-year-old kid who went to Kona with my mom and was like just that was like so cool, and that's what I wanted to do.
[33:14] SPEAKER_04: So did your mom compete in Kona then?
[33:16] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a few times.
[33:18] SPEAKER_04: You made it sound like she was just doing like your local Olympic or sprint, like uh not that she'd been to Kona and done in Iron Man.
[33:25] SPEAKER_02: No, she's been to Kona a few times.
[33:27] SPEAKER_02: Um, yes.
[33:28] SPEAKER_02: So she qualified, she tried to qualify like in 70.3s, and then she finally did her first Iron Man in 2010 in Lake Placid and qualified and then went to Kona in 2010.
[33:38] SPEAKER_02: And we all came.
[33:40] SPEAKER_02: I was, but I think a key story is that so I have a brother.
[33:43] SPEAKER_02: Some people tell me that I give off only child vibes.
[33:46] SPEAKER_02: Um, my brother's younger than me, and my brother and I went with her, and my dad.
[33:51] SPEAKER_02: My dad took us, and we were on the Queen Kering.
[33:56] SPEAKER_02: We were like, Out, I should know this.
[33:58] SPEAKER_02: You know when you like go up that hill from the harbor and turn back onto the Queen K on the way home?
[34:02] SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
[34:02] SPEAKER_02: So that's where we were.
[34:04] SPEAKER_02: And when she came by, my brother and I were on the side of the road fighting, and so my mom said that we were not invited back ever.
[34:11] SPEAKER_05: Really?
[34:12] SPEAKER_05: Were you doing that?
[34:14] SPEAKER_02: Because she's like that for two hours, all I had in my brain that was like, my kids are fighting.
[34:19] SPEAKER_02: This is so awful.
[34:20] SPEAKER_02: And she's like, So, yeah, you guys aren't invited back.
[34:23] SPEAKER_02: So I wasn't invited back.
[34:24] SPEAKER_04: She couldn't concentrate on the race because she's thinking, oh god, like how's uh uh what you whatever your dad's name is?
[34:30] SPEAKER_04: Like, how's he coping?
[34:31] SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, I wonder if they're all right, what are they getting up to now?
[34:34] SPEAKER_04: And she's like trying to focus on the race, and all she's got is that like uh on the back of her mind.
[34:38] SPEAKER_04: I can imagine that.
[34:39] SPEAKER_02: So then she thought I should have just gotten them VIP passes and dropped them off in VIP for the day.
[34:45] SPEAKER_02: No, do you get that reference?
[34:47] SPEAKER_02: Did you hear about what happened in Lake Placid?
[34:49] SPEAKER_04: No.
[34:50] SPEAKER_04: What happened in Lake Placid?
[34:51] SPEAKER_02: Apparently a racer left his nine-year-old in VIP.
[34:54] SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, I did see that.
[34:56] SPEAKER_04: He got he's uh in some serious trouble, isn't he?
[34:59] SPEAKER_04: Like he got like uh arrested, didn't he?
[35:01] SPEAKER_04: Like, is he is he facing like jail time or something?
[35:03] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sorry, that was the reference that she should Yeah.
[35:07] SPEAKER_04: You know um your brother, is he um is he comp does he compete or does he do any sport like even for a bit of fun now?
[35:14] SPEAKER_04: Or did he start off doing triathlon when you did as well?
[35:17] SPEAKER_02: My brother and I did the same race together, and my brother's like the natural athlete in our family.
[35:22] SPEAKER_02: Like he's the good athlete, and like he would always beat me, and I was always trying to keep up with him, even though he's younger.
[35:27] SPEAKER_02: He's 21 months younger.
[35:29] SPEAKER_02: Um But he retired from triathlon very early, at like age 15 or 16, and he just he's in law school right now, he's in New York City, and he lifts weights for fun.
[35:41] SPEAKER_04: So oh, so he's just like keeps fit but doesn't like compete in anything, like seriously, just like does a bit of sport here and there kind of thing.
[35:48] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[35:49] SPEAKER_02: Do you have siblings?
[35:50] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I've got two sisters.
[35:52] SPEAKER_04: Older, younger, younger, yeah, two younger sisters.
[35:56] SPEAKER_04: Uh and we actually yeah, we actually uh started doing triathlon uh all together when we um like did a bit as like kids, and then my younger sister beat my older sister, and she gave her a bit of a you know, was like rubbing it in on her, and then the older sister didn't like it.
[36:15] SPEAKER_04: She stopped, she said, I'm not gonna do it anymore, and then they stopped, they stopped coming along.
[36:19] SPEAKER_04: Uh it was a shame, but at one point there was all three of us like going to the going to the races.
[36:23] SPEAKER_04: It was quite fun.
[36:23] SPEAKER_04: It was like proper small races where you'd like swim in a pool, bike on mountain bikes around like grass fields and stuff, and then the run was like a I don't know, like a K or 2K run.
[36:33] SPEAKER_04: Or basically like a super league, but for like 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds, and uh and that kind of thing.
[36:38] SPEAKER_02: So have your sisters come back to Tratlet at all?
[36:41] SPEAKER_02: Do they ever watch your races?
[36:42] SPEAKER_04: Or the older sister, yeah, they watch sometimes watch them, yeah.
[36:45] SPEAKER_04: They've sometimes watched them.
[36:47] SPEAKER_04: Actually, one of them lives in Canada and the other one lives in Australia now.
[36:50] SPEAKER_04: Um so they uh you're like, what?
[36:55] SPEAKER_04: I can see you know thinking like God, like they live all over the place.
[37:00] SPEAKER_04: Like, um, but yeah, the younger one's actually into a bit of running.
[37:02] SPEAKER_04: She does that, but she's not too um, she she might do a dabble a bit in it, but she's uh very injury prone and she kind of lives the party lifestyle, so she's not like uh living an athlete lifestyle.
[37:13] SPEAKER_02: I would not know what the party lifestyle is, but do they live in like good places to visit?
[37:19] SPEAKER_02: Do you visit them?
[37:20] SPEAKER_04: Uh I haven't, no, I haven't.
[37:22] SPEAKER_04: One of them lives in Sydney and one of them lives in uh Kelowna.
[37:26] SPEAKER_04: So actually, yeah, pretty good.
[37:27] SPEAKER_04: Um, and she lived in Banff before she moved to Kelowna, so that would have been quite good.
[37:31] SPEAKER_04: Like you go skiing there, couldn't I, if I went there in the winter?
[37:34] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you'd get to see your sister.
[37:36] SPEAKER_04: So I know, I know.
[37:37] SPEAKER_04: I'll have to head over there because she actually says she's got a spare room in the house where she's at in Kelowna, so that would be cool.
[37:43] SPEAKER_04: I'd love to go skiing.
[37:44] SPEAKER_04: I've never done that before.
[37:45] SPEAKER_04: Have you done skiing?
[37:46] SPEAKER_04: Because you live in Boulder, don't you?
[37:47] SPEAKER_04: So you you've you've literally got it on your doorstep.
[37:49] SPEAKER_02: That's actually really funny.
[37:50] SPEAKER_02: We were talking about skiing and the swim today, and um I I skied, I downhill skied a little bit, like just once a week every winter, until I was like 14 or 15, and then didn't ski for a while.
[38:02] SPEAKER_02: And last two winters ago, I Nordic skied, like five or six times.
[38:08] SPEAKER_02: But last winter I didn't ski at all.
[38:09] SPEAKER_04: So what's Nordic skiing?
[38:11] SPEAKER_04: Is that like cross-country skiing?
[38:12] SPEAKER_02: Yes, like skate skiing.
[38:14] SPEAKER_04: So all right.
[38:15] SPEAKER_04: You know, um when you went to college, or um, I think that's what you call it, like our university.
[38:21] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[38:22] SPEAKER_04: Was were you in part of a triathlon team there?
[38:24] SPEAKER_04: Because you must have been taking it pretty seriously at that point because you went to the Olympics not long after I guess you graduated.
[38:30] SPEAKER_04: So, how what was it like at university?
[38:33] SPEAKER_04: And did you have people to train with?
[38:34] SPEAKER_04: How did uh what was your whole experience?
[38:36] SPEAKER_04: What was your university experience like basically?
[38:38] SPEAKER_04: And what course did you do?
[38:39] SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I went to Cornell University.
[38:41] SPEAKER_02: It is in Ithaca, New York, that is nowhere near New York City.
[38:45] SPEAKER_02: People would ask, like, oh, did you go into New York City on the weekends?
[38:47] SPEAKER_02: It's a four-hour drive.
[38:49] SPEAKER_02: So it's like directly west of New York City, but like very west.
[38:54] SPEAKER_02: Um it's near the finger lakes, and so it's very cloudy and very gloomy, I would say.
[39:02] SPEAKER_04: Sounds like home.
[39:04] SPEAKER_04: Sounds like England.
[39:06] SPEAKER_02: It's very cold.
[39:07] SPEAKER_02: But so my freshman year, we started in August.
[39:09] SPEAKER_02: And in September, I went to Cozumel to race junior world championships.
[39:14] SPEAKER_02: And so I was doing, and my run coach, I ran on the team at like the NCAA team there, and he was freaking out because I was gonna miss three days of class for this triathlon.
[39:24] SPEAKER_02: I'm like, but it's important, it's junior world, it's like I want to do well, like I wanna, I wanna do it.
[39:29] SPEAKER_02: And he's like, you don't miss three days of school at Cornell, like you just don't.
[39:33] SPEAKER_02: Um, and then by like by my junior year, so two years later, I missed 18 class days my full semester.
[39:40] SPEAKER_02: So he realized that I was just fine.
[39:42] SPEAKER_02: Um, but yes.
[39:44] SPEAKER_04: What course did you do then?
[39:45] SPEAKER_02: Oh, I I got a full liberal arts education.
[39:47] SPEAKER_02: I can't decide what I want to do with my life.
[39:50] SPEAKER_02: So I was a psychology major, but um, I took a lot of everything.
[39:54] SPEAKER_04: So when you say like liberal arts, is that like, I mean, I have no idea, but is it like painting or something, or is it like, you know, drawings, or is it what is it?
[40:02] SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, don't worry.
[40:03] SPEAKER_02: I am not artistic in any way, shape, or form.
[40:05] SPEAKER_02: Painting would not be anything I could do.
[40:08] SPEAKER_02: No, liberal arts is more um like a bit of everything, and so a very like not whole like not specialized, we'll just say.
[40:15] SPEAKER_02: So I took like history classes and different science classes, and then I was my psychology major, and I had to take a language requirement, and so it was just like a lot of different things.
[40:26] SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, so it was literally a mixture of everything.
[40:29] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[40:29] SPEAKER_04: You must be a very intelligent person, Taylor.
[40:32] SPEAKER_02: Oh no, I wouldn't say that.
[40:33] SPEAKER_02: And my social and IQ or my emotional IQ is quite low, I would say.
[40:38] SPEAKER_02: Do you know?
[40:38] SPEAKER_02: Actually, this isn't probably a fun fact.
[40:40] SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's appropriate for me to say it.
[40:42] SPEAKER_02: We can tell Jack to edit it out.
[40:44] SPEAKER_02: I've gotten at least two Instagram direct messages um diagnosing me with Asperger's or autism, which is very kind.
[40:53] SPEAKER_04: But two people randomly sent you messages who you didn't even know saying that.
[40:59] SPEAKER_04: I think that's awful.
[41:01] SPEAKER_04: Like to send that to a random person, like who they don't even know personally.
[41:07] SPEAKER_02: I mean, you get probably unique direct messages.
[41:10] SPEAKER_04: Um I do get unique direct messages, I think you always do as part of it, isn't it?
[41:14] SPEAKER_04: And uh especially on like YouTube, you do get a lot I I mean, I personally get a lot of abuse on on uh on YouTube.
[41:20] SPEAKER_04: I think you get some absolute trolls on there.
[41:23] SPEAKER_04: I mean, do you have you had any abusive messages on Instagram or are they normally like okay?
[41:28] SPEAKER_04: I find in Instagram I don't really get abusive messages because people normally have to they sign up on their own name, don't they?
[41:34] SPEAKER_04: And their username and it's easy to track them.
[41:36] SPEAKER_04: Whereas on YouTube I find there's a lot of trolls that will sign up under random things so they can get away with saying a lot of things that they wouldn't say if they had to actually own it under their own uh real real name.
[41:48] SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't I don't read a lot of the stuff on Instagram, honestly.
[41:52] SPEAKER_02: Um so that probably saves me a lot.
[41:55] SPEAKER_02: And if I'm like after a race and going through direct messages, if I get a few that are just annoying, like the one about like like you have Asperger's or autism, then like once I get fed up about it, then I'll like just hit delete all, honestly.
[42:10] SPEAKER_02: Because I'm like, you know what, you ruined it for everyone else.
[42:14] SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not gonna spend my time getting these messages anymore.
[42:18] SPEAKER_04: No, I don't blame you.
[42:18] SPEAKER_04: I don't blame you.
[42:19] SPEAKER_04: Fair dudes.
[42:20] SPEAKER_04: You know, when you were at um Cornell then, were you training by yourself?
[42:23] SPEAKER_04: Were you having to fit in all your training around your classes solo?
[42:26] SPEAKER_04: Or were you like part of like a running club, swimming club, or did they have a triathlon club there?
[42:30] SPEAKER_02: Well, so they had a triathlon club, I wasn't a part of it.
[42:32] SPEAKER_02: I was on the run team, and so that was kind of my focus.
[42:35] SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it helped or not.
[42:36] SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I like it, it definitely improved my running and I learned a lot.
[42:39] SPEAKER_02: And so then um, and then I would bike on my own, and I I swam on my own, but then my swims weren't going well in races, and my run coach, he was very concerned about that.
[42:50] SPEAKER_02: And so he said, I talked to the swim coach, and you'll be swimming with the swim team now.
[42:55] SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, Thanks, Artie, appreciate that.
[42:57] SPEAKER_04: Like did that make a massive difference then when they when you suddenly started swimming with the proper swim there, like swim team, because colleges in America, the standard is like mental, isn't it?
[43:07] SPEAKER_04: Like such a high level.
[43:08] SPEAKER_02: Yes, well, so Cornell was division one, but the swim team like wasn't the like it was it's an Ivy League school, so it's kind of unique in that it's division one, but there are no scholarships.
[43:19] SPEAKER_02: Um, and so it's just a unique situation.
[43:22] SPEAKER_02: And also there's a moratorium on classes where we can't have classes between 4:30 and 7.30 p.m.
[43:27] SPEAKER_02: So that's when most of the practices were.
[43:29] SPEAKER_02: So like it wasn't.
[43:30] SPEAKER_02: I was always exhausted in college.
[43:32] SPEAKER_02: That's how I would describe it.
[43:33] SPEAKER_02: Like if I had to go back and spend like a month in what I used to do, I think I'd just like cry.
[43:40] SPEAKER_04: Talk us through like a couple like a day then what might be like some of your busiest days, like what time you'd get up and uh how like the time like that you'd fit your train in, what time would your classes start, would like, and how you'd fit your any extra work, like extracur curricular work that you had to, you know, for your uh college degree.
[43:58] SPEAKER_02: Well, so there was really no extra.
[44:00] SPEAKER_02: Extracurricular work.
[44:01] SPEAKER_02: It was I was in classes, I did my work, my schoolwork, and I did my training.
[44:07] SPEAKER_02: And I lived in a house with 10 girls.
[44:09] SPEAKER_02: We had seven bathrooms.
[44:11] SPEAKER_02: That always makes everyone feel better when they learn that.
[44:14] SPEAKER_02: But four stovetops and two refrigerators.
[44:16] SPEAKER_02: And girls are not always clean, especially when they're stressed out.
[44:20] SPEAKER_02: And the type on my team was very similar.
[44:25] SPEAKER_02: So like we were all kind of like not clones of each other, but we were very similar.
[44:29] SPEAKER_02: We were very focused.
[44:30] SPEAKER_02: And it was like schoolwork and our studies, and that was about it.
[44:34] SPEAKER_02: So yes.
[44:35] SPEAKER_04: How did you get paired up with these girls?
[44:37] SPEAKER_04: Does the does the college just say, this is who you're sharing with, you know, that's it?
[44:41] SPEAKER_04: Or do you have to like meet people and like it like would you stay for your first year?
[44:45] SPEAKER_04: Would you all stay on campus and then like you find who you want to live with, and then for the second year, that's when you move into the house?
[44:50] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so first year we all lived on campus and I had a single, and that was part of the reason why I decided to go to Cornell, so then I wouldn't have to have a roommate.
[44:59] SPEAKER_02: Because just like I mean, can you imagine?
[45:02] SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine if I showed up and like, oh hi, I'm just gonna be setting up my bike trainer in here and I'll be riding for three hours?
[45:10] SPEAKER_02: Like, like it wouldn't have worked.
[45:12] SPEAKER_02: So I was like, I have a single, it works, it was brilliant.
[45:15] SPEAKER_04: Um did you think like were you when you were weighing it up then, were you thinking, uh, like I really want to take my bike trainer and like smash some sessions in?
[45:23] SPEAKER_04: And I just don't think that if I share a room with someone, they're gonna be on the same page with that because the bike's gonna be next to their bed, and I'm just gonna be smashing myself for a three-hour trainer, two-hour training session, and they're gonna be like, What are you doing?
[45:36] SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't think I was that empathetic.
[45:38] SPEAKER_02: I was more like, I don't want to be kept up late.
[45:40] SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't wanna like I want to be able to be on my schedule.
[45:43] SPEAKER_02: Um that's probably like the selfish athlete in me.
[45:46] SPEAKER_02: But to there are so many changes when you go off to college, I think, at least for me.
[45:50] SPEAKER_02: And so my coach was like, the single is a highly effective strategy.
[45:54] SPEAKER_02: Because I don't know how many people the roommates actually worked out.
[45:58] SPEAKER_04: They're always singles in in England, like the single yeah, there's just I've never there's no I've not heard of a university where there's where you're sharing a room with someone else.
[46:07] SPEAKER_04: Like that that to me is just a totally American thing.
[46:10] SPEAKER_04: Like that I don't think Brits would be on this too much on the same page of that, especially if you didn't know who it was you were gonna be sharing with before you went there and committed yourself.
[46:18] SPEAKER_04: Like, could be a nut job.
[46:20] SPEAKER_02: Well yeah, that was the case most of the time.
[46:23] SPEAKER_02: And okay, like and on the team, there would be like some girls who would like decide to room before and they'd never met each other.
[46:31] SPEAKER_02: And one of the girls, it was like November, so we're like three or four years into the school year, she comes back one night, and her roommate, who's also on the team, had moved all of her all of her stuff out into the hallway, and she claimed No, I'm not joking.
[46:48] SPEAKER_02: It's just like the stories you'd hear, you're like, that can't be real.
[46:52] SPEAKER_02: Like, are you serious?
[46:53] SPEAKER_02: Like, what were you thinking?
[46:55] SPEAKER_04: And obviously was it, but yes, so yeah, that wouldn't work well for me if I had to know that I was fair with someone who had no idea who it was gonna be.
[47:04] SPEAKER_04: Like, oh, like, you know, that I would take a lot of persuading.
[47:07] SPEAKER_04: It would have to be a very, very good reason for me to do that, and I wouldn't be too keen.
[47:12] SPEAKER_04: I'd be thinking, like, oh, I'm not so you basically after your first year, you met some mates, and then there's like 10 of you that all decide to get a house, and uh that was was that was that a good time now when you think back to uh to that, like did you have fun or was it a bit stressful?
[47:26] SPEAKER_02: I think it's both.
[47:27] SPEAKER_02: It's all of it.
[47:28] SPEAKER_02: Like you grew up a lot, I grew up a lot.
[47:31] SPEAKER_02: Um, it was a great experience in terms of experiencing it, but like I don't remember much of it.
[47:36] SPEAKER_02: I was highly stressed out, I was exhausted, um, and I kind of just made my way through it.
[47:41] SPEAKER_02: But back to the roommate thing.
[47:43] SPEAKER_02: Do you know I have an idea for the T100 that I hope they enforce when I beyond it?
[47:49] SPEAKER_02: Would be what if you had random roommates?
[47:52] SPEAKER_02: And so that was like part of race week.
[47:55] SPEAKER_04: And then you'd like film it and stuff like that.
[47:57] SPEAKER_04: So you'd get some of the or you'd ask them about how it's going and stuff because you think there'd be some banter and some people wouldn't like it because they'd be trying to get in race mode, going to bed at like seven o'clock, and someone else would be staying up until 10, and it would just be like it would cause a little bit of carnage, wouldn't it?
[48:10] SPEAKER_04: Create a bit of uh bit of friction.
[48:12] SPEAKER_04: But you're thinking I don't want to be a part of it.
[48:14] SPEAKER_04: I want them to do it, but after I finish, so I can watch the ship sink, but I don't want to be part of it.
[48:19] SPEAKER_02: Well, but I think it would be so entertaining because like race week, if you're like a little extra stressed, like everything might just like get on your nerves a little more.
[48:27] SPEAKER_02: And so you're not, I I don't think you're like the best human version of yourself race week.
[48:32] SPEAKER_02: And so then, like, if they just had us like room with someone else, like it could just like bring out a whole other side to the racing.
[48:38] SPEAKER_04: Do you feel like they need, or just before we go on to that, you know, you said about your work, you were like real tired all the time.
[48:43] SPEAKER_04: So what was a typical day like in college before we go?
[48:47] SPEAKER_04: Like, what time would you get up in the morning and uh how would you fit it all in?
[48:50] SPEAKER_02: Well, so it depended, like I'd probably get up between six or seven, but I was also going to bed between like midnight and one a.m.
[48:58] SPEAKER_02: Um, and like when I think back to it, it was like like I would it would depend on how my day was structured, like certain classes, and I'd try to chunk classes, and I learned that like I was exhausted normally between I was exhausted all the time, but I was really tired, especially in like the 1 to 4 30 p.m.
[49:15] SPEAKER_02: rate.
[49:16] SPEAKER_02: So I'd try to put myself in a class because if I was in a class, I was productive.
[49:20] SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, it just it really depended on the day.
[49:22] SPEAKER_02: I'd try to chunk my classes because I lived off campus and you walked everywhere because you couldn't park anywhere.
[49:30] SPEAKER_02: And I'm sorry if you rode your bike, it was so steep and it was so icy most of the time that you just had to walk.
[49:35] SPEAKER_02: Um, but that just added to the time.
[49:37] SPEAKER_02: And so like I'd wake up, I'd probably like walk out the door, like I'd do something, and then have classes, study.
[49:45] SPEAKER_02: I'd probably swim in the middle of the day, have classes, study, run practice at night, and then come home, make dinner, and study.
[49:53] SPEAKER_02: Like it's very exciting.
[49:55] SPEAKER_04: So, and then you'd get to bed at like 12.
[49:57] SPEAKER_04: So you were literally operating on like six five, six hours sleep.
[50:00] SPEAKER_04: Like if you had seven hours, that would be that would have been a lot.
[50:03] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[50:03] SPEAKER_02: And I'm that kind of person who, you know how there are those people in the world who supposedly can function on a little sleep?
[50:08] SPEAKER_02: I'm more like a nine to ten hour kind of person.
[50:10] SPEAKER_04: So Yeah.
[50:12] SPEAKER_04: Same here.
[50:12] SPEAKER_04: I would love, wouldn't it be great if you could function like perfectly on four hours sleep?
[50:16] SPEAKER_04: Could you imagine how much more you'd get done?
[50:17] SPEAKER_04: It would be amazing, wouldn't it?
[50:19] SPEAKER_04: You could literally just go to bed at like one o'clock, wake up at five, and you're ready to go, and like that's it.
[50:23] SPEAKER_02: But don't you think there's there's gotta be some system that's like like not working well?
[50:28] SPEAKER_04: It's gotta have it's gotta have an impact on your body at some point, maybe like shorter life expectancy or something because you're just putting so much more stress on the rest of your body, aren't you?
[50:36] SPEAKER_04: Because you're gonna be abusing it, aren't you?
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[52:23] SPEAKER_04: I feel like I've been asking you a lot of the questions, so I'm I'm excited to see what other ones you've got.
[52:28] SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I had an idea which was also here's one thing.
[52:33] SPEAKER_02: So a young, aspiring, professional athlete approaches you and asks, I want to apprentice you, or I want to like intern you, what traits and qualities would he have to possess or she for you to say yes?
[52:48] SPEAKER_02: And what would be the first things that you'd be like, these are non-negotiables, you can't do this, you have to do this.
[52:53] SPEAKER_02: Like, what would your intern have to do?
[52:55] SPEAKER_04: So when you say my intern, this is someone who's gonna shadow me.
[52:57] SPEAKER_04: So they're saying basically I want to do all the training that you're doing, I want to be a part of it and just see how you do things.
[53:02] SPEAKER_04: And I'll so and uh so what would I want them to be like?
[53:04] SPEAKER_04: I would want them to have a good mindset where they actually turn up because I get a lot of people that come and do some training with me and they say they're keen, they're keen, and they'll train for like two or three sessions and then you never see them again.
[53:16] SPEAKER_04: So just someone that actually turns up for a start, you know, not like says they're gonna turn up to work and then you see them for two days, and then that's it, you never hear from them.
[53:24] SPEAKER_04: That would definitely be the first one.
[53:26] SPEAKER_04: Um and just a good person to be around, someone who's you know, got a nice, you know, like you talk to them and you can have a bit of band-the, they train hard, and you just get on well with them, basically.
[53:39] SPEAKER_04: Someone that I'd get on well with and they turn up.
[53:41] SPEAKER_04: Because even if they were slower and they weren't necessarily that quick, it wouldn't matter because I would just handicap some of the sessions and I would just make it work, you know.
[53:49] SPEAKER_04: Like if I was doing K-Reps, I'd make them do like 800s or something like that, and we'd do, you know, similar sessions.
[53:54] SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't really be too bothered about how quick they are, just basically be a nice person that turns up because for me that would be great.
[54:00] SPEAKER_04: Just having like I I like the atmosphere when you turn up and there's a low there's a few people there.
[54:05] SPEAKER_04: I don't really like training by myself, I like having other people with me, even if they're slower.
[54:10] SPEAKER_04: Um, what about you?
[54:12] SPEAKER_04: If someone was gonna um intern you, would that be an option or would you be like, no way?
[54:17] SPEAKER_02: Well, yes, uh, but I I have probably stricter requirements for you because you're just like show up and be a nice person.
[54:24] SPEAKER_02: Actually, showing up is a really big piece of it.
[54:27] SPEAKER_02: And also, like, I think you have to complete the sessions too.
[54:30] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you've got to complete them.
[54:32] SPEAKER_04: I don't I wouldn't want someone to pull out.
[54:33] SPEAKER_04: Like, if they're pulling out, then I'm gonna be like, come on, dude, what are you doing?
[54:36] SPEAKER_02: Like, like but I'm not a big fan of being trained with the people who are like so inconsistent, like, oh, I'm just not feeling it today.
[54:43] SPEAKER_02: I'm like, well then still do it.
[54:45] SPEAKER_02: Um, yes, but yeah.
[54:47] SPEAKER_02: And I don't really want to be told that I'm doing something wrong.
[54:50] SPEAKER_02: So it's like if you're like interning, like if it's a safety hazard, or like I've said something inappropriate, or like I made them feel uncomfortable, that's one thing.
[54:58] SPEAKER_02: But like if they're like, you're doing this wrong, I'll be like, okay.
[55:03] SPEAKER_04: I'm interested in like what could you say that would be like really inappropriate or like uh you know, say something wrong?
[55:09] SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm just imagining all these like in your training sessions, these like verbal like slip-ups and stuff like that, where you say something and they're like, What?
[55:16] SPEAKER_04: Well, did she really say that?
[55:18] SPEAKER_04: Like, what kind of uh things would you say?
[55:20] SPEAKER_04: Like, I just can't imagine it.
[55:23] SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm kind of just like brutally honest with people.
[55:27] SPEAKER_04: So if they weren't putting the effort in, you'd say to them, look, mate, like, come on, like, you know, you'd just give them a bit of abuse, basically.
[55:33] SPEAKER_04: You know, you'd tell them, like, you're a slacker, you need to put more effort in, you're not gonna improve like that.
[55:36] SPEAKER_04: Would it be like that kind of thing, or would it be like, you know, your hair is terrible, where did you go and get your hair cut?
[55:41] SPEAKER_04: I don't like that.
[55:42] SPEAKER_02: Well, I can't judge on hair, because I mean my mom cuts my hair, I'm not really into the hair thing.
[55:47] SPEAKER_02: But like, yeah, like something like it's like if if if so, like, especially in the pool, we have a big group, and it's like people, we have different zones, and I'll sometimes call people out.
[55:58] SPEAKER_02: Like, if you if you assume you're 400 level two, which is supposed to be like the second out of five or six zones, the same pace as your threshold 400, um, that wasn't your level two.
[56:10] SPEAKER_02: So, yes.
[56:12] SPEAKER_04: You'd say, Hey mate, your ego's right and checks, your body can't crash.
[56:15] SPEAKER_04: I know that's not your level two.
[56:17] SPEAKER_04: I've seen you race, you're not that quick.
[56:20] SPEAKER_04: And they would be like, No, it is, it is, and you'd be like, Well, what what happened to you then in that last race?
[56:26] SPEAKER_04: Because I literally put like 90 seconds into you, and you're swimming your zone two quicker than me today.
[56:33] SPEAKER_02: Yes, it depends on the day.
[56:36] SPEAKER_02: I can like, yeah, like I don't know, like I guess the moodiness also, like different tri athletes can get moodier depending on other external factors.
[56:45] SPEAKER_04: Um, so I couldn't deal with the moody person, but I I I have an apprentice that comes and does the sessions with me.
[56:51] SPEAKER_04: Um he came to Font Remote to do some outer two training with me, and he quite often pulls out of sessions.
[56:59] SPEAKER_04: He's uh on my YouTube videos quite often, and we quite often manage to get the point where he pulls out and he he just says he's not feeling it, and he stops.
[57:09] SPEAKER_04: And uh are you joking?
[57:11] SPEAKER_04: No, I'm being absolutely deadly serious with you, Taylor.
[57:14] SPEAKER_04: Like honestly, he pulls out, he makes excuses.
[57:16] SPEAKER_04: We even use Chat GPT and font remote to kind of tell him what training paces to hold and to give him a bit of a you know pre pre-session motivation.
[57:24] SPEAKER_04: And yeah, like he he quite often pulls out, but we just put him in the YouTube videos and you know show everyone his his mentality.
[57:32] SPEAKER_02: Well, that's kind of awful.
[57:33] SPEAKER_04: I feel like he should be fired, but he should be, he should he should definitely be fired, but he just keeps turning up.
[57:41] SPEAKER_04: He shows up, he just doesn't stay long.
[57:44] SPEAKER_02: Wow, so how do you change that?
[57:46] SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
[57:46] SPEAKER_04: I would love to know how to change that and how to get him to go.
[57:49] SPEAKER_04: He he has some big ambitions, he wants to run a sub-15-minute 5k.
[57:54] SPEAKER_04: But I mean, we keep saying to him, mate, if you keep pulling that after 15% of the session with guys that are trying to run the same times as you or to run like 14 something, it's gonna be very hard for you to do it.
[58:03] SPEAKER_02: Well, I have a lot of thoughts on that, but that's I'll keep them to myself.
[58:08] SPEAKER_04: So we'll just say, Jacob, if you're listening, just contact Taylor.
[58:11] SPEAKER_04: She has loads of thoughts on how you can reach your potential and you won't be pulling that at sessions anymore.
[58:15] SPEAKER_04: And Jacob, if you're listening and you want to join Taylor for training, you're gonna have a very tough time now because she knows that you're what kind of mentality you have.
[58:24] SPEAKER_02: But you know where I live, so just come to Boulder, it's a great group, you'll enjoy it.
[58:29] SPEAKER_04: You'll enjoy it, you won't stay with me long.
[58:31] SPEAKER_04: But there's loads of other triathletes in the town that you can train with when I see how how often you pull out of sessions.
[58:37] SPEAKER_02: But then you can keep track of my times and tell everyone else what times I was going if they had.
[58:41] SPEAKER_04: He won't because he'll be pulling out before you.
[58:43] SPEAKER_04: He'll be like, he'll be out the session.
[58:44] SPEAKER_04: Like he won't, he'll never see what times you do because he'll be behind you and then he'll get booted out of the session, so he'll never have a clue.
[58:50] SPEAKER_01: Oh, but does he cry?
[58:52] SPEAKER_04: No, he doesn't cry, he just rubs it off.
[58:53] SPEAKER_04: He's very thick skinned.
[58:55] SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
[58:56] SPEAKER_02: That's that's good.
[58:57] SPEAKER_02: That's better.
[58:57] SPEAKER_02: Because cry no crying's another one.
[58:59] SPEAKER_02: Like, if something's going on in your life, that's fine.
[59:02] SPEAKER_02: But like if you get dropped in a session, please don't start crying.
[59:05] SPEAKER_04: Oh, surely no one cries because they get dropped, do they?
[59:08] SPEAKER_04: Has that actually happened?
[59:09] SPEAKER_04: That's actually happened.
[59:10] SPEAKER_04: That that that who like, I mean, I don't even know if you would want to name them, but I just can't even like I just can't even imagine that that would happen, that someone would get dropped.
[59:18] SPEAKER_04: Like uh I I would thought, if anything, they would be happy that they were uh not having to kill themselves to try and stay on the wheel or to try and keep up running, and it'd be like, thank god I get a breather now for five minutes.
[59:28] SPEAKER_02: Maybe that was part of it they were crying, so they couldn't keep up.
[59:31] SPEAKER_04: It must be great then that you've done the course that you did at college because you said that you had a bit of psychology on there, so you must be like you must know how to get them feeling in a better place and be able to like, you know, improve their mood and stuff like that.
[59:44] SPEAKER_04: I can imagine that you'd be quite a nice shoulder for them to cry on when they go through tough times like that.
[59:48] SPEAKER_02: No, actually, one of the women I swim with, she she recently was talking about how one of our friends, it's like really good that like he's doing his own thing this year and he's like sticking to his program versus like just helping people out.
[1:00:01] SPEAKER_02: And she's like, you know, like Kevin and I are really nice, like not like you and Flora.
[1:00:08] SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Monica, thank you.
[1:00:11] SPEAKER_04: Like she thinks that you're like just too what to basically you just say it as you think, and she's thinking that that's that that's not nice because you don't have any sympathy for them.
[1:00:19] SPEAKER_04: You're just like, come on, guys, like get a grip.
[1:00:21] SPEAKER_04: You've just been dropped, it's not the end of the world.
[1:00:24] SPEAKER_02: Well, I think it's more that like we're gonna do our workout.
[1:00:26] SPEAKER_02: Like, I was so for so this is gonna sound awful, but so this um one of the people I work with, Lawrence, he'll ride his bike with me, and I was doing a workout.
[1:00:36] SPEAKER_02: It was and I was doing it on the track, and it was like 12k, and it was like and and it was like 400 and 600 kind of like over under threshold thing.
[1:00:45] SPEAKER_02: And so he we were like 3k in and he crashed, and I kept going.
[1:00:52] SPEAKER_02: And so like after a 400, I'm like, are you okay?
[1:00:57] SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I am an awful person here, but I'm prioritizing like finishing.
[1:01:01] SPEAKER_04: But you 100% have to carry on with your own workout.
[1:01:03] SPEAKER_04: There's absolutely no way you could stop.
[1:01:05] SPEAKER_04: Like you've you're you're you're in.
[1:01:06] SPEAKER_04: You're like say, as soon as the session starts, that's it.
[1:01:08] SPEAKER_04: You're you in until you finish that last rep, that's it, you're locked in.
[1:01:12] SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm with you, Taylor.
[1:01:14] SPEAKER_04: Like, you just need to crack on.
[1:01:15] SPEAKER_04: Like, you just ask them a bit when you're running past, are you alright?
[1:01:17] SPEAKER_04: to make sure they're not like dying on the side.
[1:01:19] SPEAKER_04: But as soon as they give it the okay, like, yeah, I'm fine, I'm just struggling.
[1:01:23] SPEAKER_04: That's it.
[1:01:23] SPEAKER_04: Like, right then, sort yourself out.
[1:01:26] SPEAKER_04: You're you're you're old enough now to sort yourself out if you need anything, but I'm I've got 12k to get done.
[1:01:30] SPEAKER_02: Well, that's that's that makes me feel a little bit better, but you still have to.
[1:01:34] SPEAKER_02: But if they say they're not okay and they need like medical assistance, then you stop.
[1:01:37] SPEAKER_02: It's only like exactly, yeah.
[1:01:39] SPEAKER_04: If they need like medical assistance, then yeah.
[1:01:41] SPEAKER_04: But that's probably why I uh well, maybe that's probably why people only turn up with me for the first few training sessions and I never see them again because you thought it turns out Taylor thought that she was the bad one.
[1:01:50] SPEAKER_04: But actually, maybe like she's a milder version of me, and that's why she's still got uh a semblance of a training group, and I actually have three pensioners that I train with and two people that are like an apprentice that stop after 20% uh of the session.
[1:02:04] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but but also maybe it's also just like a a season, who knows?
[1:02:08] SPEAKER_02: Like I could have no one to train with in a year, and you might have a group of 20 following you because everyone heard about what it takes to apprentice you.
[1:02:15] SPEAKER_04: So my most reliable training partner is actually a 62-year-old pensioner.
[1:02:19] SPEAKER_01: Really?
[1:02:20] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's the most r reliable guy.
[1:02:23] SPEAKER_04: Whenever I do a bike session, uh a run session, he'll he'll pace me on the bike, he'll do it on the track, he'll have music, he'll have drinks, he'll play the tunes, he'll literally hit it.
[1:02:33] SPEAKER_04: Whenever I go swimming, he's at the pool.
[1:02:35] SPEAKER_04: We handicap the sessions.
[1:02:36] SPEAKER_04: If I'm doing 200, he'll do hundreds.
[1:02:38] SPEAKER_04: He's literally diehard.
[1:02:40] SPEAKER_01: Really?
[1:02:41] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely diehard.
[1:02:43] SPEAKER_04: He's got no work, he just flippin' loves it.
[1:02:45] SPEAKER_04: He does moan that he's fatigued sometimes, but he just battles away.
[1:02:49] SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
[1:02:50] SPEAKER_02: Okay, so actually, this is this is a question speaking of music.
[1:02:53] SPEAKER_02: Do you listen to music?
[1:02:54] SPEAKER_04: I uh yeah, all the time.
[1:02:56] SPEAKER_02: So if you do you ever ride indoors on the trainer?
[1:02:59] SPEAKER_04: Sometimes, yeah.
[1:03:00] SPEAKER_04: In the winter more.
[1:03:02] SPEAKER_02: So if you're on the trainer, what sort of entertainment do you have?
[1:03:05] SPEAKER_04: I would have YouTube on, and I if it was an easy session, like a steady one, then I'd watch some YouTube, but if it's a hard one, I'd have some music, like probably on YouTube, like I'd try and find like a longer playlist or something with some banging tunes, bit of a something to like some kind of music videos or something like that.
[1:03:20] SPEAKER_04: But yeah, definitely something with a beat if I'm doing something harder.
[1:03:23] SPEAKER_04: Like I cut I can't do a hard session if I'm just watching like YouTube videos or something like that.
[1:03:27] SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we can we can say if it's a hard session or an easier session, but here's a hypothetical.
[1:03:32] SPEAKER_02: You have a five-hour ride indoors.
[1:03:35] SPEAKER_02: If you're allowed, you're allowed one of two scenarios.
[1:03:38] SPEAKER_02: You can listen to one song on repeat for the five hours or nothing.
[1:03:44] SPEAKER_02: No entertainment.
[1:03:45] SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, like um probably one song on repeat, to be honest.
[1:03:51] SPEAKER_02: What song would you pick?
[1:03:53] SPEAKER_04: A long one.
[1:03:55] SPEAKER_04: A long one, so I don't have to listen to it as many times.
[1:03:58] SPEAKER_02: Um maybe it's a slow one.
[1:04:02] SPEAKER_02: Like if it's long, is it like does it have a good beat?
[1:04:05] SPEAKER_04: It would be something with a decent beat, because I know that sometimes when I'm listening to my dance mixes and stuff like that, you just lose track of what you're listening to.
[1:04:13] SPEAKER_04: So it would be something kind of like with a beat, not too many words, so it doesn't feel too repetitive.
[1:04:18] SPEAKER_04: And I reckon I'd lose track of it and I'd just be in the zone.
[1:04:21] SPEAKER_04: But I yeah, definitely have to listen to something.
[1:04:23] SPEAKER_04: That would be my game plan.
[1:04:24] SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't listen to something with a lot of words in because I think it would just grind on you like after about 40 minutes, and you'd still have four hours to go.
[1:04:33] SPEAKER_01: Well god, good to know.
[1:04:35] SPEAKER_01: That's a good strategy.
[1:04:37] SPEAKER_04: Is that one of your mental toughness sessions that like your coach gives you and he's like, right, Taylor, today we're gonna work on your mental toughness.
[1:04:43] SPEAKER_04: You've your option is it's a five-hour ride.
[1:04:46] SPEAKER_04: Don't worry about the uh power.
[1:04:47] SPEAKER_04: Your option is one song on repeat, or you can just stare at the brick wall.
[1:04:51] SPEAKER_04: But you're not allowed to watch anything, and this will get you strong.
[1:04:54] SPEAKER_04: This will give you the mental toughness that you need, the resilience for Kona.
[1:04:58] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think I think the one cue Dan's ever given me is like smile because it'll relax your muscles so you're just riding around in the races with a smile on they're like, oh, Tana's feeling good.
[1:05:11] SPEAKER_04: Like I'm like on the limit here, but she's just smiling at me.
[1:05:15] SPEAKER_02: She's trying to relax herself, it's all good.
[1:05:18] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but so no, so I don't think I I would actually probably do the one song on repeat, but like I can do that.
[1:05:24] SPEAKER_02: I sometimes do listen to songs on repeat excessively.
[1:05:28] SPEAKER_04: What like five times or something like that in a row?
[1:05:31] SPEAKER_02: Maybe more.
[1:05:32] SPEAKER_02: Because like if it's like if it's just like a song that hits that day, it's just like, you know what, there's nothing better, so I'll just keep it.
[1:05:38] SPEAKER_04: Is there one that you can remember off the top of your head what you've listened to like that?
[1:05:42] SPEAKER_04: Like one song that sticks out that you went for a stage.
[1:05:48] SPEAKER_02: I can't think of any off the top of my head because it hasn't happened recently.
[1:05:52] SPEAKER_04: Would they be like dancey type of songs or are they more like hip hop, R and B?
[1:05:56] SPEAKER_02: Oh, actually, no, there was a r actually it it happened recently.
[1:06:00] SPEAKER_02: And it was a remix of you know the Ed Sheeran song Photograph?
[1:06:04] SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
[1:06:05] SPEAKER_02: There was like a remix of it.
[1:06:06] SPEAKER_02: I don't know who the remix is, but whatever it was, so it was that song, and I listened to that song on repeat, like probably for an hour a last week sometime.
[1:06:15] SPEAKER_04: Was the remix like making it more like uh energized?
[1:06:20] SPEAKER_04: More energized.
[1:06:21] SPEAKER_04: Because that's quite a slow song, isn't it?
[1:06:22] SPEAKER_04: The photograph, like normally, isn't it?
[1:06:24] SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
[1:06:24] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[1:06:25] SPEAKER_02: But I I that's not what I do my intervals to.
[1:06:28] SPEAKER_04: So when you're on your like get your uh you know your T100 races and uh the uh ITU circuit, I because there's like kind of like everyone's quite young, especially on the ITU circuit.
[1:06:39] SPEAKER_04: Did you ever did you ever date another triathlete?
[1:06:43] SPEAKER_04: And would you ever date another traffic?
[1:06:45] SPEAKER_04: Like uh, or is that like would that be too intense?
[1:06:47] SPEAKER_02: Did you did Jack set you up to this?
[1:06:49] SPEAKER_04: No, he didn't know.
[1:06:50] SPEAKER_04: Jack's not set me up on this.
[1:06:51] SPEAKER_04: This is literally, you set me up on it because you said about you were gonna ask me about my marriage and my my thing.
[1:06:58] SPEAKER_04: So I thought, that's not a bad shout there, you know.
[1:07:01] SPEAKER_02: And I thought um, no, so so so here's here's the funny thing.
[1:07:05] SPEAKER_02: So I have a rule, I do not date other professional triathlet, and it might extend to all like endurance sport athletes.
[1:07:12] SPEAKER_02: I haven't decided.
[1:07:14] SPEAKER_02: Um, but so that was my rule.
[1:07:16] SPEAKER_02: So no, I've never dated anyone on the circuit, but um, but I was dating a guy who was an amateur triathlete, and then he decided he wanted more meaning, so he took his pro card.
[1:07:26] SPEAKER_05: And you'd be like, God, right?
[1:07:29] SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, no.
[1:07:30] SPEAKER_02: He he broke up with me because he needed to find happiness in the sport, and happiness is he was pursuing excellence in the sport of trathlon, so as his pro.
[1:07:40] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, so it's it's all good.
[1:07:42] SPEAKER_04: So that was his reason.
[1:07:43] SPEAKER_04: That was it, that was what he said.
[1:07:44] SPEAKER_04: So why he break broke up with you for that?
[1:07:46] SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, because he needed to focus more on trathlon and I was holding him back.
[1:07:49] SPEAKER_02: So it's all good.
[1:07:52] SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's a relief at this point, but yeah, so so the one and done, like my rule still stands.
[1:07:57] SPEAKER_02: Absolutely no.
[1:07:58] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, but I'm guessing if he was like an amateur and he was like trying to take his pro card, you were probably like a similar level, or you might have even been quicker than him as well.
[1:08:07] SPEAKER_04: So, like, I mean, that would have helped him.
[1:08:10] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if um, yeah, if I had if I had gotten to do Lake Placid this year, uh I would have passed him in the swim, which would have been so gratifying, but that's just how it rolls.
[1:08:22] SPEAKER_04: So his excellent, so he's pursuing he's on the pursuit of excellence, but he's could be could be could be a little while yet then.
[1:08:30] SPEAKER_02: It'll hell happen or not, but yeah.
[1:08:33] SPEAKER_04: So but an endurance sport and a triathlete, is that because you've had a bad experience with dating this amateur triathlete that you're like, I don't think I like it, just you thought it's just a bit too intense, like triathletes and endurance sports people.
[1:08:45] SPEAKER_04: I think I'd rather go for a civilian.
[1:08:47] SPEAKER_04: That's what I call people that aren't in triathlon civilians because they're more normal, they do stuff in moderation, and triathletes are very extreme in their ways, especially uh if you're a professional, because it's just like you know, it's all training, training, what can I do, isn't it?
[1:09:02] SPEAKER_04: And stuff like that.
[1:09:02] SPEAKER_04: So I call normal people aren't in triathlon civilians.
[1:09:04] SPEAKER_04: So you can more like so that amateur has put you off, and now it would be if it's gonna be a date with someone, it's gonna be a civilian.
[1:09:11] SPEAKER_02: Probably yes, but I've not tried to use those terms, but also like I live my life being told how like how he would do it so much better.
[1:09:19] SPEAKER_02: And so I think I need just a little bit of space because like I have my process, I have things, I do my things my way.
[1:09:25] SPEAKER_02: And so, like, but you don't want to be told every day how awful you are at your job.
[1:09:31] SPEAKER_02: Like, regardless of how good or bad you are, it's just not a like fun life to live.
[1:09:35] SPEAKER_02: So I need the space because like Is that what he did?
[1:09:37] SPEAKER_04: Did he tell you then like he criticized you?
[1:09:40] SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, yeah.
[1:09:40] SPEAKER_02: He told me how much better he would do it.
[1:09:42] SPEAKER_02: Um, but so but like, but I do things, and you might not always agree with how I do things.
[1:09:47] SPEAKER_02: Like, I sometimes stack workouts, like I'll just go back to back to back, but sometimes I'll space them out.
[1:09:53] SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, so it's just like I just like listen to my body and see how it's doing that day.
[1:09:57] SPEAKER_04: I I think that's what everyone does when I've seen other people train.
[1:10:00] SPEAKER_04: Like when you're doing it as a job, it's not like it's literally day in, day out, isn't it?
[1:10:04] SPEAKER_04: And it's just like some days you have more energy, I find, and like you can stack them a lot easier.
[1:10:09] SPEAKER_04: Other days you do that session in the morning, you feel exhausted, and you're like, I just need like I'm just gonna get this done the next session, but it's not gonna happen until the afternoon, and I'm just gonna chill out for a while.
[1:10:20] SPEAKER_04: But some days you get it done, don't you?
[1:10:21] SPEAKER_04: And you're like, the first one goes well, you get home, you're buzzing, it might be nice weather or something, you don't feel tired, and you're just like, right, I'm just gonna go out and just bang the other session in.
[1:10:28] SPEAKER_04: And some days you'll be dumb early, some days you won't.
[1:10:30] SPEAKER_04: I just think like, I mean, it's just relentless, isn't it?
[1:10:33] SPEAKER_04: Otherwise, if you did suffer the same time, the same way all the time, it's just like I mean, it's a job, isn't it, at the end of the day, and you've got to in a way you have to treat it like a job, and it's like you need to have some downtime, don't you?
[1:10:43] SPEAKER_04: And make it just get through it as easy as possible, really, as well as possible, but also as easily, and to let it take as lit little out of you as you can mentally.
[1:10:51] SPEAKER_04: Otherwise, it's just I mean, if you want to do it for a long time, it's just gonna be very hard, isn't it, to keep going if it just seems like a chore.
[1:10:58] SPEAKER_02: Oh, I agree, and you kind of and like listening to your body and how it's doing.
[1:11:02] SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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[1:12:45] SPEAKER_02: So here's a it's a potentially controversial question I have.
[1:12:49] SPEAKER_02: Is everyone racing in the professional field considered a professional in your eyes?
[1:12:55] SPEAKER_02: Or is there a cutoff to what you deem a triathlet being triathlet being professional?
[1:13:02] SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm gonna say for this.
[1:13:06] SPEAKER_01: I don't, I don't think we know each other that well.
[1:13:08] SPEAKER_04: So you can tell with how it's going and what I'm like that I I'm pretty sure that you know already what I'm gonna say.
[1:13:14] SPEAKER_04: And it is definitely no, like I definitely don't think there is, because some federations give pro licenses out really uh easily.
[1:13:22] SPEAKER_04: And I would actually say the cutoff should probably be um if you're getting beaten by the lead females, like definitely.
[1:13:30] SPEAKER_04: So it should be like as a pro man, you shouldn't be getting beaten, I don't think, by the pro females.
[1:13:35] SPEAKER_04: It's okay if it happens once or something, you know, you have an absolute shocker and you're just like, I'm gonna finish, I'm not gonna DNF, you know, I'm just gonna kind of get through.
[1:13:41] SPEAKER_04: But if you're consistently getting beaten by the pro females, then you shouldn't be good enough as a male to get um a pro license.
[1:13:47] SPEAKER_04: And then for the females, I mean, I don't know what the equivalent would be, but whatever the equivalent of that would be, I guess, would it be like you shouldn't really be getting beaten by the female age groupers unless there's like an absolute freak that comes into the sport who's just like amazing at the start?
[1:14:01] SPEAKER_04: But it should be some kind of for the men, definitely, if you're getting beaten like consistently, like for instance, like if you turn up and you're consistently beating the same male pros, they shouldn't really be male pros, should they?
[1:14:12] SPEAKER_04: Because that's not a professional, that's a good amateur, but that's not like someone who's should be doing it as their career.
[1:14:18] SPEAKER_04: I mean, like, if you're the equivalent in like foot American football or soccer in the UK and you're getting beaten, you're like, there's women that are playing American football or like you know, soccer better than you, you're probably not gonna be a professional, are you, as a male?
[1:14:31] SPEAKER_04: You know?
[1:14:32] SPEAKER_04: That's that's what I feel that's what I think.
[1:14:34] SPEAKER_04: It's alright if it happens once or something like that, or twice, you know, and this is that you because you've had an absolute shocker and you've got races that like reflect what you can what your true performance is.
[1:14:44] SPEAKER_04: But um, I mean, like, if I was getting beaten regularly by the top females, I don't think I would enjoy that.
[1:14:50] SPEAKER_04: Like, I think I'd probably move on and think my time, my days are lit they're done.
[1:14:55] SPEAKER_04: I'm just gonna be a civilian and go out.
[1:14:58] SPEAKER_02: Can you go back to being a civilian in your words?
[1:15:01] SPEAKER_04: I've never been a civilian.
[1:15:03] SPEAKER_04: I've never been a civilian.
[1:15:04] SPEAKER_04: I'm looking for I'll I'll I'll embrace being a civilian when I end up becoming a civilian.
[1:15:09] SPEAKER_02: Okay.
[1:15:09] SPEAKER_02: So so I don't want this to come off wrong, but based on some recent announcements, like, when do you think is a good time for traathlets to decide that they're gonna retire?
[1:15:20] SPEAKER_04: Oh, um, probably, and I think if you're gonna retire, it needs to come from you as an individual, so it's gotta be feel what's right for you.
[1:15:30] SPEAKER_04: Like, because I often see on like some you know comments and stuff on different things on like Instagram and YouTube where people say he should retire now, you know, he should do this, you know, like not necessarily talking about me, but like talking about other people, like in uh in general.
[1:15:42] SPEAKER_04: And I think, well, actually, like if you're still enjoying the sport and you're doing alright, why would you retire?
[1:15:49] SPEAKER_04: Do you know what I mean?
[1:15:49] SPEAKER_04: If you still love it, I think if you've got the motivation and you've got the drive to train hard and to try and better yourself every day, even if necessarily that might not be the outcome, what happens, but inside you think, I really enjoy this and I I still love it, and you're actually doing all right, you know, then carry on.
[1:16:05] SPEAKER_04: But you shouldn't be forced to make that decision because other people are saying that you should, because I think then you open yourself up to have a lot of regrets later in life because you get this one opportunity, don't you?
[1:16:15] SPEAKER_04: And once you retire, that's it, there's no kind of coming back, is there, and you get one life.
[1:16:19] SPEAKER_04: So I think it would be better to kind of push it, if anything, slightly longer than cut it too short and then think to yourself, oh, I wonder what would have happened if I'd carried it on later in life.
[1:16:29] SPEAKER_04: Because it would be hard, it's horrible to have regrets, isn't it?
[1:16:31] SPEAKER_04: You know, you always at least it's always better to be able to kind of try something and it not working out, but then saying, At least I gave it my best, and that was where I got to, you know, and I really enjoyed it, and like that was a great time in my life, you know, looking back.
[1:16:45] SPEAKER_04: So I think when the time feels right for you, when you've not got that drive, you know, like if you're struggling to get out of bed in the morning and get the workouts done and you're kind of missing them, then I think it's time to that's time to step away.
[1:16:56] SPEAKER_02: That's very wise.
[1:16:57] SPEAKER_02: I have I I've I talk about this with my strength coach sometimes, and I'm like, Aaron, like, will you tell me when like I'm done?
[1:17:04] SPEAKER_02: Like, if I'm not seeing the writing on the wall, will you be honest with me and just say, like, Taylor, like it's time to be done?
[1:17:12] SPEAKER_04: But what about if you're like not performing so well, but you still love it and you're still really enjoying it?
[1:17:17] SPEAKER_04: Because that's where you kind of like, yeah, from performance-wise, it could be time, but if you're still loving it and you've still got sponsors and you're actually really enjoying it, is it time then?
[1:17:26] SPEAKER_04: Because she says it, but you're actually still really enjoying it?
[1:17:30] SPEAKER_02: That's a good point.
[1:17:30] SPEAKER_02: And also kind of like, what else could you be doing?
[1:17:34] SPEAKER_02: Or what else, like, is there something better that you could be doing, or is this the best thing you can be doing?
[1:17:38] SPEAKER_02: Um, and so like and are you are you like are you putting off something?
[1:17:43] SPEAKER_02: Are you avoiding something, or are you really just loving it?
[1:17:45] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because that's the other thing, like doing it on the other.
[1:17:47] SPEAKER_04: You have to be honest with yourself, don't you really?
[1:17:49] SPEAKER_04: Or like have someone like I guess if that Aaron Aaron is uh really close to you and someone who you can talk to personally from like a friendship point as well, not just like someone like that, then you can you know have a good conversation, can't you?
[1:18:00] SPEAKER_04: And you can really, you know, see what what if it is right for you.
[1:18:03] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just it's a it's a conversation we already have, because like I'm worried I might like push the boundaries too long and stay in it too long.
[1:18:12] SPEAKER_04: How long would you like how long do you reckon that you would be competing for now?
[1:18:17] SPEAKER_04: I mean I know it's tough to say, but like you know, you say like because I always feel like when you're in your like mid-20s, you think like mid-30s is like really old and you probably won't be doing it, but then as it comes along, you're like, actually, I still think I can do it because obviously I'm like 37 now, and I remember when I was thinking when I was like 27, 37, I'll probably be retired and that'll be me done.
[1:18:34] SPEAKER_02: Really?
[1:18:34] SPEAKER_02: You thought you'd be done by 37.
[1:18:36] SPEAKER_04: Probably, yeah.
[1:18:36] SPEAKER_04: I mean, like, I feel like when you're in your mid-20s, like you feel like that's a long time, that's that's ages away, you know.
[1:18:42] SPEAKER_04: Um and back then there wasn't really many pros that were racing at 37.
[1:18:47] SPEAKER_04: I mean, like there has been in recent years, like you had Yanfredino and like a few others that were competing up until then, but it wasn't like that that many, so you just didn't know if it was like possible.
[1:18:56] SPEAKER_02: But the two reigning Iron Man world champions are 38 or were when they won.
[1:19:00] SPEAKER_04: So but that was 10 years ago, like when I was think when you were thinking this, wasn't it?
[1:19:04] SPEAKER_04: You know, so it all depends on who's around who you've got to look up to when like 10 years, 10 years ago.
[1:19:10] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe in 10 years' time it'll be like 45 year olds are dominating.
[1:19:13] SPEAKER_02: You don't know.
[1:19:14] SPEAKER_02: It's like I don't know, but like, but I like I kind of think like, okay, like probably about 15 more years, like that would be 42.
[1:19:23] SPEAKER_02: Um, but then like for me, now like it's nowhere in the near future.
[1:19:29] SPEAKER_02: But if you think about it, that 15 years would also be the time that if I'm gonna have kids in my life, that's when I'd have kids.
[1:19:35] SPEAKER_02: So like there goes however many seasons for however many kids.
[1:19:38] SPEAKER_02: So, but I also don't know if that's gonna happen.
[1:19:41] SPEAKER_02: So that's also like thinking about that time, and women get those breaks potentially.
[1:19:46] SPEAKER_04: What do you think of like the mindset like for a woman for like having kids?
[1:19:50] SPEAKER_04: Because like I thought it was a big thing, like as a bloke having kids, and obviously it's not my, you know, nothing happens to my body, does it, you know?
[1:19:56] SPEAKER_04: But I've just thought the responsibility, you know, and everything like that.
[1:19:59] SPEAKER_04: But for a woman, it must be like mentally huge because you're thinking, oh, there's a lot that's got to happen to my body.
[1:20:05] SPEAKER_04: Can I come back?
[1:20:06] SPEAKER_04: I want to have kids, I don't want to like wait too long and not have them.
[1:20:09] SPEAKER_04: But then it seems like some of the women that have had kids and got back to racing are like doing incredibly well.
[1:20:14] SPEAKER_04: Like Holly Lawrence recently, uh Jackie Heron and some others.
[1:20:18] SPEAKER_04: Like, do you find that quite motivating that you see these women now that have done that and you think, well, if they can do it, then it shows that you know it is possible and that you know it's not like once you have kids, that's it, you've got to step away, you know, and you can't race at a top level again because they've kind of shown that it is possible.
[1:20:34] SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know, because I feel like I'm not really like educated enough to voice an opinion because I haven't had kids.
[1:20:41] SPEAKER_04: But if you did though, would the mindset be like, you know, if you were there, like you'd think I I it's I can I can do it and I can definitely come back, kind of thing, or like I've got a good chance because other people have done it.
[1:20:51] SPEAKER_02: Oh, definitely.
[1:20:52] SPEAKER_02: And I also find it like but but the one who I like the one I'm most fascinated by is Nicholas Spierig, who came back.
[1:20:58] SPEAKER_02: Um because she was like racing hamburg within three months of having her third child.
[1:21:04] SPEAKER_04: I don't know how I don't know how women do that, like if they come back like within three months.
[1:21:11] SPEAKER_04: I just think it's just mental, like absolutely crazy.
[1:21:15] SPEAKER_02: But but it's also each person, and I feel like that's also the thing about like being a female in general is like how your menstrual cycle affects you is very different.
[1:21:24] SPEAKER_02: So like then you take it a step up and a level up, is probably like pregnancy and postpartum also affects you so differently, and not only like each pregnancy and each birth and each child, so but I don't know.
[1:21:37] SPEAKER_04: You know, um um taking it to a slightly different topic, but you know in Boulder the like um no the the setup that you've got there, is there good like banter with your group?
[1:21:50] SPEAKER_04: Like, do you all have like really good fun?
[1:21:51] SPEAKER_04: You know, you said about the swim sessions and stuff, and you do it, and like you might say some stuff to some people, but do does it like do people say it back to you, you know, kind of thing, and you have like a little bit of like banter, and at the end of the sessions you're all like laughing around and joking, and do you go because there's so many triathletes there, do you meet up like outside of training on like say a Friday or a Saturday and you'd go out for a meal or something like that, and you know, have a catch-up?
[1:22:12] SPEAKER_04: What's uh what's the um vibe kind of thing like amongst you guys that all train together?
[1:22:18] SPEAKER_04: Because I I mean from where I am, there's no other pro-triathlets.
[1:22:21] SPEAKER_04: I'm like the only one, so I'm always interested in what it's like in some of these like hot spots.
[1:22:26] SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's interesting.
[1:22:27] SPEAKER_02: So I will say you're not friends with everyone.
[1:22:32] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[1:22:32] SPEAKER_02: So like there are people that you might like, and there are multiple groups kind of, and like people who might get together for different things and different like disciplines, even within there.
[1:22:41] SPEAKER_02: But like I have a pretty solid swim group, and depending on who's meeting and how in a rush we are, like our meet times are very soft, and we probably might talk for 30 minutes before we start our swims on our easy days, sometimes up to an hour.
[1:22:55] SPEAKER_02: Um, and then like we chat throughout, it's like pretty relaxed.
[1:22:58] SPEAKER_02: Like, we're gonna get the work done, but we're gonna talk, and yeah, sometimes we we'll meet up, but um, it depends on the week.
[1:23:04] SPEAKER_04: So who's in your like little click then that you like training with that you get on with quite well?
[1:23:09] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
[1:23:09] SPEAKER_04: Like you do you just said it was like there's loads of little groups, so uh you were the one that said it.
[1:23:15] SPEAKER_04: So who's in your all right?
[1:23:16] SPEAKER_04: Who's in your little group who's in your like little group that you kind of like you know vibe with quite well and that you'd have like little conversations with?
[1:23:23] SPEAKER_02: Well, so I think like in my closest group, I swim a lot with Kevin McDowell, and then one of my friends from college, her sister moved out here, and her name's Danielle Ori.
[1:23:33] SPEAKER_02: She's coming up, she just got her first World Cup podium in Morocco.
[1:23:37] SPEAKER_02: Um, and then Chris Lieferman's here, and Omely Kretz.
[1:23:41] SPEAKER_02: And so it's kind of a mix of like short course flora comes sometimes, and we have another woman, Monica, who comes, and so it's like but it also like it ebbs and flows based on the day.
[1:23:52] SPEAKER_02: Chelsea will sometimes swim with us, and so it just depends on the day.
[1:23:56] SPEAKER_04: Do you do you go out like for uh food and stuff like that and meet up outside of like the training?
[1:24:02] SPEAKER_02: With some of them, not with other people.
[1:24:05] SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
[1:24:09] SPEAKER_04: I'm just trying to paint a picture for people that are like listening, like what your uh what the life's like, you know, like so we get to know you a bit better.
[1:24:16] SPEAKER_02: Like well, but I I do realize that like Boulder, like they call it a bubble, and it's kind of like it is a bubble in some ways, but it's like you can pick your bubbles and you can pick like what's normal and not.
[1:24:27] SPEAKER_02: Um, but and they're definitely again, they're like different groups in terms of like who's friends with whom and who does things with whom.
[1:24:33] SPEAKER_04: So it's just so do you find you've got like quite a close-knit group?
[1:24:35] SPEAKER_04: There's like five or six of you, and that's and you guys like kind of like hang around and like do stuff like the training together, but there's not like loads of different people that you train with kind of throughout the week.
[1:24:45] SPEAKER_02: Well, no, because I I'm don't I do most of my training alone, that's my swim group.
[1:24:49] SPEAKER_02: And but like I might meet up with someone for a bike ride, but oftentimes I go alone and I might meet up with someone for a run, but oftentimes I do it on my own, or Lawrence will come with me.
[1:24:57] SPEAKER_04: So even like hard hard run sessions, you do it by yourself and stuff, you just like that's it.
[1:25:02] SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I'd prefer that.
[1:25:04] SPEAKER_02: Like Lawrence will be there, which is really helpful, and sometimes his wife is here there too.
[1:25:08] SPEAKER_04: Um who's Lawrence?
[1:25:09] SPEAKER_02: He so he is he he likes to be introduced as my movement specialist, but he does treatment and then he like he loves running.
[1:25:19] SPEAKER_04: So oh, so would he do the run?
[1:25:21] SPEAKER_04: Would he do the session with you or would he be on a bike?
[1:25:23] SPEAKER_02: He's on a bike normally, but if but if I do a track session, he'll warm up with me and cool down with me.
[1:25:28] SPEAKER_04: Oh right.
[1:25:29] SPEAKER_04: So he's like, would he be like on the so he'd be there for like a motivation?
[1:25:31] SPEAKER_04: So you wouldn't just like turn up to the track with no one there at all doing the whole warm-up, the whole session and everything like that.
[1:25:36] SPEAKER_04: You'd have some company kind of thing.
[1:25:38] SPEAKER_02: I could, I could do about that.
[1:25:40] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you just don't care, like it would just not phase you at all.
[1:25:43] SPEAKER_02: No, that's probably that's probably a curse of mine, because I can do that, so I do that more often.
[1:25:49] SPEAKER_02: Um, so because it's just easier, and then like I'm on my own schedule, I do it like like if I uploaded a file and I didn't have any narrative, I don't think Dan could tell if I did it on my own or not.
[1:26:02] SPEAKER_05: Really?
[1:26:03] SPEAKER_05: Wow.
[1:26:04] SPEAKER_02: Like it's not there's not gonna be a drop-off.
[1:26:06] SPEAKER_02: And same with like Julie, if I just like listed my swim times, like she couldn't tell if I so would you not even be that bothered about swimming by yourself?
[1:26:14] SPEAKER_04: You just do it because there's like a load of you that are all doing the same set, so you just happen to meet up and more but more for the social beforehand, not the actual in this in the session kind of thing.
[1:26:23] SPEAKER_04: It's just nice to like have a bit of a chat.
[1:26:25] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[1:26:25] SPEAKER_02: Well, that can be helpful in terms of like during a session.
[1:26:29] SPEAKER_02: Um, but like I'm also confident enough that I can pace myself, so probably not a good trait.
[1:26:36] SPEAKER_04: No, I think it's great that you're able to do that, like because there's just nothing like that can stop you.
[1:26:40] SPEAKER_04: If you've got to do it by yourself, you do it by yourself, and if you've got people, you do it.
[1:26:43] SPEAKER_04: I think that's a great trait to have, to be honest.
[1:26:46] SPEAKER_02: But also it might change.
[1:26:47] SPEAKER_02: Like, I always I swore I would never do training camps.
[1:26:50] SPEAKER_02: And then this w now, this upcoming winter, I'm like, oh, maybe it's time to do a warm weather camp.
[1:26:54] SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I can do another like straight-on winter full-on.
[1:26:58] SPEAKER_04: Where would you go?
[1:26:59] SPEAKER_04: Would it be somewhere in America, or would it be like you'd go to go abroad somewhere?
[1:27:03] SPEAKER_02: Probably in the United States.
[1:27:05] SPEAKER_02: I'm fairly American, so I'm not really good with like late bed times and late meal times, but I also don't like traveling.
[1:27:13] SPEAKER_02: So it's like I don't like flying or like the whole gyration.
[1:27:19] SPEAKER_04: Because it's just a lot of it's just a lot big hassle, isn't it?
[1:27:22] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and for what?
[1:27:22] SPEAKER_02: Like, and I'd also probably bring like back to our conversation before, like if it's a training camp, I'm gonna bring at least two bikes.
[1:27:28] SPEAKER_02: And so, like, in Boulder, I'm just like content.
[1:27:31] SPEAKER_02: I have my setup, I have my people, like if something goes wrong, I know how to fix it.
[1:27:35] SPEAKER_02: It's just like I'm set up.
[1:27:36] SPEAKER_04: So I'm conscious about taking too much of your time, Taylor, because it's been an hour and 22 minutes.
[1:27:43] SPEAKER_04: And sorry, no, it's it's been absolutely fantastic, and I'd like to carry on, but I'm just thinking for uh the people that are listening, like they probably like like uh trying to keep it like to about an hour, hour, hour and a quarter, but it's been absolutely fascinating, and I could quite easily go on for absolutely eight is because I feel like I'm only just touching the surface, and uh I don't know about you, but you said you had 15 questions, and I think we've probably got about four of them done because both of us, it seems like we love to chat and we can easily just go from one thing to the next.
[1:28:11] SPEAKER_04: Uh, but it's been absolutely awesome chatting to you.
[1:28:14] SPEAKER_04: Um, I hope you guys listening have really enjoyed it, and uh, I hope I get another time to chat to you, Taylor, and we can go through some more of the questions.
[1:28:22] SPEAKER_04: Um, but I just want to wish you the best of luck for the for the rest of the year.
[1:28:26] SPEAKER_04: I hope you have um a great season, and uh I hope you do really well in Kona and you can uh be fighting out for the win and uh potentially get that Iron Man Kona World Championship.
[1:28:36] SPEAKER_04: I bet your mum would absolutely love to be there and your dad to see that because it sounds like that was one of the races where the journey started, and to go full circled back there with your mum probably fighting your dad on the sidelines instead of you fighting your brother, but watching you win the world champs would be incredible.
[1:28:52] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, thanks for your time and uh good luck.
[1:28:56] SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you.
[1:28:57] SPEAKER_02: But before we close, so this is your new podcast.
[1:28:59] SPEAKER_02: Like, what are your goals for this podcast?
[1:29:01] SPEAKER_04: Just to get through it, just to survive, Taylor, just to survive.
[1:29:06] SPEAKER_02: No, I think you're doing fantastically.
[1:29:09] SPEAKER_02: So, like, are you gonna say who the next guest is or like tease people?
[1:29:14] SPEAKER_04: Honestly, don't even know who the next guest is.
[1:29:15] SPEAKER_04: Like, Jack's sorting them out, and he told me before that I I had you on, he gave me about three days' notice and told me it's Taylor Nib.
[1:29:23] SPEAKER_04: And I thought, wow, Taylor Nib, I thought that's incredible, but I really don't know much about her.
[1:29:28] SPEAKER_04: And I was, I was uh, like I said, I when I was said to you at the start, like I was a bit like anxious kind of thing because I didn't know how it was gonna go.
[1:29:34] SPEAKER_04: I didn't know what you were gonna be like as a person, but um I'm absolutely delighted that you were my first guest.
[1:29:40] SPEAKER_04: I think you've been fantastic, it's been awesome chatting to you.
[1:29:43] SPEAKER_04: And if I'm ever in Boulder, like it would be great to go to the uh to the cafe down your road and have a flat white and we can uh catch up.
[1:29:50] SPEAKER_02: Or a training session together because I will show up.
[1:29:53] SPEAKER_02: I can promise you that.
[1:29:55] SPEAKER_04: Just don't make me cry.
[1:29:56] SPEAKER_04: Please don't make me cry if we have a training session.
[1:29:58] SPEAKER_04: I'll never hear the end of it.
[1:30:03] SPEAKER_04: You've got previews for making other people cry.
[1:30:05] SPEAKER_04: Please don't make me cry.
[1:30:12] SPEAKER_02: But thank you for having me on.
[1:30:14] SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry that you just get your guest chosen for you, but I appreciate you.
[1:30:18] SPEAKER_04: Oh well, I would have loved to have you on.
[1:30:20] SPEAKER_04: I I'm absolutely I I would have been I would have loved to have you on, but I would have thought you would have turned it down.
[1:30:25] SPEAKER_04: So that's that's probably why I wouldn't have probably reached out for uh to you because uh I didn't think you'd have time, but I'm really pleased that you did come on, and uh it's been great getting to know you.
[1:30:34] SPEAKER_04: I've been really uh yeah, you I think you've got a fantastic personality as well as a great racer.
[1:30:38] SPEAKER_04: So thanks.
[1:30:39] SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
[1:30:40] SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having this good podcast, but I should let you go.
[1:30:43] SPEAKER_02: Um, thank you.

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