# Alex Yee’s Marathon From The Gods & Lionel Sanders Returns!

An episode of [The Triathlon Hour](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1595443343), 8 Dec 2025, 1 h 29 min.

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It’s been a big week in the triathlon world. Alex Yee becomes the best marathon runner in triathlon history, Lionel sanders makes his long awaited return to racing, Appo has a tough day at Ironman Busselton, the T100 grand final is this coming weekend and Vicky blows something wide open in her first edition of “Vicky Investigates” as a huge issue makes it’s way across her desk. Listen to the AFTER HOURS podcast on Patreon here - CLICK HERE Nord VPN:Take advantage of a great deal with Nord VPN use the code triathlonhour or visit nordvpn.com/triathlonhour to get a huge discount in the 2 year plans PLUS 4 extra months! It is risk free with Nord's 30 days money back guarantee! Pillar: Use the code TTH to get 15% off your first order with Pillar Performance at Pillar Performance or use The Feed for North American customers Precision: Use the code TTH25 to get 15% off your first order with Precision at Precision Fuel & Hydration or subscribe to the Patreon and access the link that will save you 20% on every order, not just your first Patreon

## Transcript

[0:27] SPEAKER_02: Yes, we are back another week here at the Trithon Hour, and it's been a big week in the Trithlon world.
[0:33] SPEAKER_02: Alex Yi, he goes over and dominates the marathon.
[0:36] SPEAKER_02: Lionel Santins has had a comeback race.
[0:38] SPEAKER_02: Apo, we thought he was a contender.
[0:41] SPEAKER_02: We're not so sure now.
[0:42] SPEAKER_02: We're going to dive into that.
[0:43] SPEAKER_02: He's raced over the weekend at IMAM Bustleton.
[0:46] SPEAKER_02: There's the T100 grand final this weekend.
[0:48] SPEAKER_02: There's your Spotify comments to get to, and lots, lots more.
[0:51] SPEAKER_02: And the whole crew's here for it this week, starting with probably the only person with some semblance of a brain on this podcast, Vicky Holland.
[0:59] SPEAKER_00: Hi, Jack.
[1:00] SPEAKER_00: Pleasure to be back.
[1:01] SPEAKER_02: And uh you might notice Vicky Holland's audio a little bit better.
[1:05] SPEAKER_02: We've been working on some audio issues on Vicky's end, so well done on that on that, Vicky.
[1:09] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sorry, I'm slowly but surely dragging myself into the podcasting world and it's looking likely I'm going to invest in an actual microphone sometime soon.
[1:17] SPEAKER_00: So stay tuned, guys.
[1:18] SPEAKER_02: Once you get that microphone, there'll be no stopping you.
[1:21] SPEAKER_02: There's actually almost no point any of us being on the podcast once you get a microphone.
[1:25] SPEAKER_02: It'll just become the Vicky Holland show.
[1:26] SPEAKER_00: It'll become like my little baby and I'll sleep with it and everything in the bed.
[1:29] SPEAKER_00: Like I'll just be so obsessed with my microphone.
[1:32] SPEAKER_02: And the man who's holding this podcast down on the back end, you guys don't see anything that happens in organizing getting the podcast happening every weekend, technical difficulties, all of that kind of thing.
[1:42] SPEAKER_02: But Greg Harper, he he's the most opinionated man in Trithon and the most organized man on this podcast.
[1:48] SPEAKER_04: I mean it's week after week, so nothing's new, Jack.
[1:50] SPEAKER_04: But uh yeah, thanks for having me.
[1:53] SPEAKER_02: The amount of times we have to change the scheduling of this podcast, like this week I'm a bit sick.
[1:58] SPEAKER_02: I've been travelling from Austria to Italy.
[2:00] SPEAKER_02: Vicky's kid sick.
[2:01] SPEAKER_02: She woke up and her kids spewed on her face to start the day.
[2:04] SPEAKER_02: Apo, he's having a beer over in Western Australia this week, and Greg's just drinking a coffee to start his day.
[2:10] SPEAKER_02: So he's the only one uh with some semblance of normality.
[2:13] SPEAKER_02: And I talked about him in the intro.
[2:15] SPEAKER_02: He's the 10th place finisher at Iron Man Western Australia on the weekend.
[2:19] SPEAKER_02: The guy who I thought was a contender and I thought was the second greatest triathlet to ever live, but we need to discuss it, Sam Appledon.
[2:27] SPEAKER_03: Thanks, Jack.
[2:27] SPEAKER_03: It's good to be here.
[2:28] SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, might have tumbled down the rankings on that second place.
[2:32] SPEAKER_03: Maybe who knows, might not even be on the uh on the Mount Rushmore anymore.
[2:36] SPEAKER_03: Maybe I've tumbled all the way down to fifth or sixth, but uh yeah, we'll get stuck into it this episode.
[2:42] SPEAKER_02: The Mount Rushmore of Trithon.
[2:44] SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's start there.
[2:45] SPEAKER_02: Who's who's on your Mount Rushmore of Triton appo?
[2:48] SPEAKER_03: Ooh, um it's gotta be Brownley, he's at least one of them.
[2:54] SPEAKER_03: Brownley, Crowy, Fredino, and Reef, gotta be.
[3:00] SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, yeah, sorry.
[3:01] SPEAKER_03: Um Daniela Reef.
[3:02] SPEAKER_03: Yep.
[3:04] SPEAKER_03: Thanks, Vicky.
[3:04] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was just a little addition from me there of Daniela.
[3:07] SPEAKER_00: I think it's pretty hard to look past her.
[3:09] SPEAKER_00: And then I mean, going but further back, you've got people like Paula Newby Fraser, Snowy, big Snowy fan.
[3:19] SPEAKER_00: I'll leave it there.
[3:21] SPEAKER_04: Mind just one man's face four times, Alistair Bramley.
[3:27] SPEAKER_02: Jonas Schomberg.
[3:28] SPEAKER_02: Um surely, surely, like, no Dave Scott or Mark Allen seems criminal.
[3:33] SPEAKER_02: Like, I I I I understand if you think they're not one of the better triflets to ever live, like a lot of the uh old slow twitch users would argue, but I think Mark Allen has to be one of them.
[3:42] SPEAKER_02: Jan Fredino has to be one of them, Daniel Larif has to be one, and uh yeah, maybe maybe Alistair Brownlee's the fourth.
[3:50] SPEAKER_02: That that's probably my my four.
[3:51] SPEAKER_04: I feel bad for Apo because um he always gives these intros that are so uplifting.
[3:55] SPEAKER_04: It's like, oh my god, like 20 time champion.
[3:57] SPEAKER_04: He's like feeling so good.
[3:58] SPEAKER_04: So, Jack, you might need to bring him up a little bit if you want to uh be well on the show.
[4:02] SPEAKER_04: So are you okay, Apo?
[4:04] SPEAKER_04: Are you good over there?
[4:05] SPEAKER_03: I'm on my third IPA, so I'm feeling alright, mate.
[4:08] SPEAKER_03: Uh it's alright.
[4:09] SPEAKER_03: Drink the sorrows away, isn't that what they say?
[4:12] SPEAKER_03: So um, you know, the little brain cells that I do have are slowly declining.
[4:16] SPEAKER_03: So if I uh they decline any further, I might uh I don't know, I might be kicked off the podcast.
[4:22] SPEAKER_02: Nah, my thinking with the podcast is you build each other up at the right time, but also when it's the right time to really put your foot in it and bury a man when he's down, you've got to take that opportunity.
[4:31] SPEAKER_02: And I mean Apo's been up there high on his fence this entire podcast, sitting on that fence.
[4:37] SPEAKER_02: You can't get him down.
[4:38] SPEAKER_02: So we might finally have got him down to our level level, Greg.
[4:41] SPEAKER_02: So we've got to make the most of that opportunity, don't you think?
[4:43] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it makes sense.
[4:44] SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'm usually the one dragged through the mud because of Vicky, so it feels it feels good on my end.
[4:49] SPEAKER_02: We'll come back to Apo's race, though.
[4:50] SPEAKER_02: We'll talk about it a little bit more detail later, maybe topic three of the show.
[4:54] SPEAKER_02: But let's start with the probably the big news of the weekend, and it's not even trython, it's the marathon, and it's it's Alex Yee's marathon debut.
[5:02] SPEAKER_02: Vicky, he's a countryman of yours, fellow Olympic medalist for for Great Britain.
[5:06] SPEAKER_02: Talk to me about what you saw.
[5:08] SPEAKER_00: Well, firstly, it's great to be put in the same bracket as Alex Yi, because he's not an Olympic medalist, he's a two-time Olympic champion, Olympic silver, and no, he's got two.
[5:16] SPEAKER_00: Hang on, what's he got?
[5:17] SPEAKER_00: Two gold, silver, and bronze at the Olympic Games.
[5:19] SPEAKER_00: Unreal.
[5:20] SPEAKER_00: But yes, this is about his crossover into marathon running, which started with his foray into the London Marathon in April, where he ran a 211, and he'd always said he wanted to have another stab later in the year.
[5:34] SPEAKER_00: So he went to Valencia Marathon this weekend and he ran an astonishing 206-38, putting him second on the British all-time list.
[5:44] SPEAKER_00: The only person in front of him is now Sermo Farah.
[5:47] SPEAKER_00: He bested um Emile Keres, who was fourth at the Paris Olympics.
[5:54] SPEAKER_00: Um, just a sensational run, and it splits if you look at them, so even three minutes per K, almost bang on every single kilometre until he picked it up in the final 5k to dip under 207.
[6:07] SPEAKER_00: Just unbelievable.
[6:09] SPEAKER_00: And I don't think we're gonna see a better run by a triathlete in a very, very, very long time.
[6:14] SPEAKER_03: Second fastest British athlete in the marathon of all time, behind Mo Fara.
[6:19] SPEAKER_03: And I don't know, isn't there a bit of a cloud over Mo Fara?
[6:22] SPEAKER_03: I don't want to relitigate that, but um, you know, Alex is uh Sir Mo Farah.
[6:27] SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
[6:28] SPEAKER_03: Sir Mo Farah.
[6:30] SPEAKER_03: Um 206 is insane.
[6:32] SPEAKER_03: Like, no Australia that's faster than any Australian has ever run, as well.
[6:36] SPEAKER_03: Um, it's just yeah, it's crazy.
[6:38] SPEAKER_03: And to go five minutes faster in your second marathon, like surely that's not even his ceiling, right?
[6:44] SPEAKER_03: If he knuckles down a little bit more, like I think he could take that um that record of Mo Farah for sure and like pretty quickly, like another minute off that time, I think that's doable 100%.
[6:54] SPEAKER_02: Also Apo, and Australian has run that fast.
[6:57] SPEAKER_02: Andy Buchanan ran 206-22 in Valencia last year for the Australian record, so it kind of shows in respect to your countryman.
[7:03] SPEAKER_03: I did I did know Andy ran 206, but I wasn't sure if Alex's 206 was faster, and I just I just fucking trusted my gut, alright, Kirk.
[7:12] SPEAKER_00: It was a 50-50.
[7:13] SPEAKER_02: I like three beers deep Apo.
[7:15] SPEAKER_02: He's come out and he said, nah, Mofar was doping Australia at the stuff.
[7:20] SPEAKER_02: We could be in for a real treat today with Apo.
[7:23] SPEAKER_02: Keep it up, mate.
[7:24] SPEAKER_02: So, Vicky, what do you think?
[7:26] SPEAKER_02: Do you think that Alex Yi, does he come back into triathlon?
[7:30] SPEAKER_02: Like, I know he's the reigning defending Olympic gold medalist, but this is a guy who, when I watch run in his YouTube videos and talk about running, appears to love it more than he does triathlon.
[7:41] SPEAKER_02: He's gone all in on this venture.
[7:43] SPEAKER_02: He's training with a really elite running squad.
[7:46] SPEAKER_02: I kind of feel like Alex Yi might have the running bug, and the marathon could be where he sets his sights for the for the next Olympic cycle more than the triathlon.
[7:55] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, that's a really interesting point.
[7:57] SPEAKER_00: He clearly absolutely loves running and he's built for it.
[8:00] SPEAKER_00: He looks incredible when he runs and he always has done.
[8:04] SPEAKER_00: But he has been really clear all along that this year was a venture into marathon before he comes back and looks to defend in LA.
[8:13] SPEAKER_00: So that's what he said all along.
[8:15] SPEAKER_00: And as far as I'm aware, that hasn't changed.
[8:17] SPEAKER_00: And while you're right, he has been running with some of our other top British marathon runners and training with them.
[8:24] SPEAKER_00: He's still doing quite a lot of triathlon training as well.
[8:26] SPEAKER_00: He's still coached by the same triathlon coach, Adam Elliott in Loughborough.
[8:30] SPEAKER_00: He's still part of that squad, he's still swimming quite a lot, he's still riding a fair amount.
[8:34] SPEAKER_00: So, my understanding is this was his kind of final chance before he starts dipping back into doing more triathlon.
[8:43] SPEAKER_00: He couldn't really delay it any longer because of the way that the rankings work.
[8:47] SPEAKER_00: He will lose way too many points if he doesn't actually at least start doing some of the World Series races next year.
[8:53] SPEAKER_00: So I think he's probably gonna go full on back into triathlon for the next few years.
[9:00] SPEAKER_00: But I would not be surprised if come you know, autumn of 2028 we see him do a do a full switch over into marathon running, or maybe who knows, this is just ignited his fire to do Iron Man.
[9:13] SPEAKER_00: I mean, the way he's ran and the guy can swim and bike.
[9:18] SPEAKER_00: I mean, if anyone thinks that this is just a runner who's a what do we call it, a wet runner, that's not the case.
[9:24] SPEAKER_00: This this guy he can he can swim and bike too, and yes, it's gonna take him some time to adjust, of course, to to TTing, but yeah, I think he could be a weapon over Iron Man one day, too.
[9:37] SPEAKER_04: You know, for rankings and stuff, he needs to come back.
[9:39] SPEAKER_04: Also for performance.
[9:41] SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm curious because it's like the men's race dynamics on the world triathlon circuit have changed in this last year.
[9:47] SPEAKER_04: There's the Matt Houser effect, there's it's a breakaway group now.
[9:51] SPEAKER_04: So, like, I don't know.
[9:53] SPEAKER_04: I honestly think Alex would have struggled this year on the World Triathon Circuit, and I think he might struggle going back.
[9:59] SPEAKER_04: And yeah, uh, you know, the Alex and the Hayden, I don't know if those guys can get medals in the next go-around.
[10:04] SPEAKER_04: I think there's a new crop of guys who who just want to be so fast at swimming and biking, and um, just like the women's in the last cycle, you know, the men's was always a 40-man group.
[10:13] SPEAKER_04: So uh I'm looking forward to it though.
[10:15] SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I mean I think for his sake, like there's no way he could have leveled up his swim this year.
[10:20] SPEAKER_04: Like you can't level up your swim and become a marathon runner.
[10:23] SPEAKER_04: So, you know, he's got to get back in the pool and he's gotta commit now to being the LA champion if he if he really does want to repeat.
[10:31] SPEAKER_02: But things can change, right, Greg and Vicky.
[10:33] SPEAKER_02: Like you can think, okay, yeah, I'm gonna go and do this year of marathon running and try and run a really fast marathon because I've just come off winning an Olympic gold medal.
[10:42] SPEAKER_02: And you can think you're gonna come back because you don't really realize how good you can be at this other sport.
[10:48] SPEAKER_02: We saw Gwen Jorgensen do it.
[10:50] SPEAKER_02: She she literally gave up a million-dollar contract to go and pursue her dream of marathon running, and she never got close to the heights of Alex Yi.
[10:58] SPEAKER_02: Like, not even in the same ballpark, and it was directly after her Olympic gold medal win as well.
[11:03] SPEAKER_02: So Alex Yi's just come out and ran seventh at Valencia Marathon, which it's probably not the biggest marathon in the world, or it's definitely not the biggest marathon in the world, but it's without a doubt the fastest marathon in the world, and it's it's getting that reputation for being probably where most elite runners want to finish their year, and he's gone and come seventh there, the second fastest marathon time ever by a British athlete, 206-38.
[11:25] SPEAKER_02: I think we've said that already, and and Mo Farr around 205-11.
[11:29] SPEAKER_02: So are we sure?
[11:30] SPEAKER_02: Like, because I kind of think there's a world where he looks at this and thinks, holy fuck, I could I could go and beat Mo Farrah's British marathon record and become the best marathon runner in in our country's history.
[11:41] SPEAKER_02: And and I'm I'm a chance, if not almost a lock, to be on our national marathon team at the next Olympics.
[11:47] SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's a chance of history here.
[11:49] SPEAKER_02: Lots of athletes have done big things in triathlon.
[11:52] SPEAKER_02: No one has ever managed to go over and and do what Gwen Jorgensen tried to do, and Alex Yee looks like he's on the precipice of being able to do.
[11:59] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, look, you you might be right, and the only person who knows is him, right?
[12:03] SPEAKER_00: We've we've got to ask you've got to ask Alex.
[12:05] SPEAKER_00: Like, all I know is what he's been saying all year, and I still believe that he wants one more go, at least, at the Olympics in triathlon, and I just don't think he can do both simultaneously.
[12:17] SPEAKER_00: You can't train for a marathon, even if he could quite easily qualify for both.
[12:21] SPEAKER_00: You you can't do both well, because the training I don't think is compatible.
[12:27] SPEAKER_00: So I still expect him to come back, but maybe you're right, maybe it's put it into his mind that actually this is a really, really viable kind of career path that might be post-LA because he's still young, he's still in his twenties, he'll only be, I think, 30 or 31 come LA.
[12:44] SPEAKER_00: So he's got time.
[12:45] SPEAKER_03: So you don't think there's a chance that he does the triathlon and the marathon if he qualifies for both, Vicky?
[12:51] SPEAKER_03: Like and if he does, is that the greatest like dual sport?
[12:54] SPEAKER_03: Because we've seen athletes go for two events before, like Taylor Nib did the time trial for cycling and then the triathlon.
[13:01] SPEAKER_03: If Alex did the marathon and the triathlon, is that the greatest double up in Olympic history?
[13:07] SPEAKER_00: I think it would be because I think the mileage that you need to do and the paces that you need to be able to replicate to do to do the marathon and to do it well, to not just show up and run 215, which I say it like it's slow, but for Alex now that would be slow.
[13:24] SPEAKER_00: Um it it takes so much that I don't know how he could do the swimming and the biking required and the lactate levels that he would need to replicate in training.
[13:34] SPEAKER_00: I don't know how he does that to try and retain his Olympic title for triathlon and train for the marathon at the same time.
[13:41] SPEAKER_00: I think that'd be incredibly difficult and it would be compromising probably on both sides, which is why I fully suspect he will have to focus on one or the other.
[13:51] SPEAKER_00: And at this point, I would put my money still on it being trathlon.
[13:55] SPEAKER_00: Um, knowing Alex, he he wants to be excellent, he wants to fully invest himself in whatever he's doing at one time, he doesn't want to be mediocre at both, and it would be different if to bring up Greg's point, if it was still a bit of a roll around followed by a run.
[14:12] SPEAKER_00: It's not at the moment, it's gone back to almost like that Brownlee era of breakaways where you've got to be able to swim a bike super well right off the front, and the way Hauser is swimming is exceptional.
[14:25] SPEAKER_00: You've got to be within touching distance, even coming out of the water where your day is done.
[14:29] SPEAKER_00: And I don't think you can compromise on that at the moment.
[14:32] SPEAKER_02: It's not just like hard, it's it's physiologically impossible to go and do well at the Olympic triathlon and at the Olympic marathon.
[14:40] SPEAKER_02: Simply not possible.
[14:41] SPEAKER_02: You you just your swim and bike would have to suffer too much if you wanted to perform at the level he would want to perform at the Olympics.
[14:47] SPEAKER_02: So even if he did potentially qualify for both, which there's a chance you could qualify for both, it would still be really, really hard though.
[14:55] SPEAKER_02: But if you did, you couldn't go on to do well at both.
[14:58] SPEAKER_02: Whereas, say Taylor Nib, you could easily, easily perform well at the at the individual time trial in cycling and at the Olympic triathlon.
[15:07] SPEAKER_02: So that's a more viable double up.
[15:09] SPEAKER_02: Alex's would be completely non-viable.
[15:11] SPEAKER_02: I mean, I hope for our sake he he stays in triathlon, but I reckon it's a really interesting point, Greg, that that you're almost thinking that he needs to move up to long distance following this training block from from 2025 because the level's past him.
[15:24] SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, uh I don't know, but possibly.
[15:26] SPEAKER_04: But you know, I'd rather see him go to marathoning almost than like not waste his talents on the T100, but it's like there's something bigger out there, which is marathon running, like being the fastest British marathoner.
[15:36] SPEAKER_04: So you know what's just so impressive though?
[15:39] SPEAKER_04: It's like there are so many people who can run 101, 102, half marathons, or even an hour, but they don't back it up with the 206.
[15:47] SPEAKER_04: And I don't know, I almost didn't think he was like robust enough or something to like I thought maybe he'd go 209 or 210, but just to run 206, I mean, it just like it's really quite insane.
[15:59] SPEAKER_04: And I I don't think there's really anyone else who could possibly do something like that.
[16:05] SPEAKER_04: I will say, uh, I think her name was Sheila Tarmina.
[16:09] SPEAKER_04: She it wasn't the same Olympics, but she did swimming uh triathlon and modern pentathlon.
[16:14] SPEAKER_04: So she qualified in three different sports, although not at the same time.
[16:17] SPEAKER_04: Um so but like Jack said, you just you can't do both of those events at the same at the same time.
[16:22] SPEAKER_04: So um yeah, I think Alex needs to kind of buckle down.
[16:25] SPEAKER_04: And I really think his heart's in triathlon.
[16:27] SPEAKER_04: His I've watched his like kind of YouTube series.
[16:30] SPEAKER_04: It's like annoyingly, he's annoyingly like process focused and like says all the right thing.
[16:36] SPEAKER_04: You're like, oh god, it's just so easy to see why he's an Olympic champion, but he's very much like a picture perfect type.
[16:42] SPEAKER_04: They interview his parents and they're like, oh, he was like a fun kid.
[16:45] SPEAKER_04: I don't know, he just seems like this like perfect, nice bloke.
[16:48] SPEAKER_04: So he is.
[16:48] SPEAKER_04: Um it's almost annoying.
[16:50] SPEAKER_04: We're all rooting for him.
[16:51] SPEAKER_00: He's he's annoyingly nice, just like the nicest guy.
[16:55] SPEAKER_00: I know.
[16:56] SPEAKER_00: Can't even hate him.
[16:57] SPEAKER_02: But that's the beauty of the Hayden Wilde versus Alex Yee rivalry, right?
[17:02] SPEAKER_02: Because you can tell from the outside that Hayden sees himself as being the nice guy, but no one else sees him as being the nice guy, especially Apo and Greg here on the podcast.
[17:13] SPEAKER_02: Everyone sees everyone sees Hayden as the bad guy, and Alex doesn't look at himself as a good guy, but you can tell he is like Alex isn't obsessed with being a good a good guy, it's just his nature is to be the good guy and and to be the perfect person.
[17:27] SPEAKER_02: So him and Hayden are kind of each other's yin and yang in the sport a little bit, and I feel like the the journeys they're taking are like classic superheroes, like they're both going on their own like arc in different directions.
[17:40] SPEAKER_02: Hayden's dominating middle distance triathlon like no one ever has before.
[17:43] SPEAKER_02: Alex is dominating a different sport like no one ever has in triathlon before, and it just it does feel like next year or whenever it is, we need to see them come back together for the benefit of triathlon and race each other and actually finish this rivalry, don't you think?
[17:58] SPEAKER_02: And but I I I I also can't see it being over short course triathlon.
[18:02] SPEAKER_02: I think it's gone past Hayden a little bit.
[18:04] SPEAKER_02: I think Alex is gonna struggle a little bit.
[18:06] SPEAKER_02: So where's it gonna be?
[18:08] SPEAKER_02: If it's not T100, is it gonna be at Kona?
[18:10] SPEAKER_02: Is it gonna be is Hayden gonna see this and think, well, fuck that, I can beat Alex at the marathon and are they gonna join each other in a marathon soon?
[18:17] SPEAKER_02: When's it gonna happen?
[18:18] SPEAKER_03: I want to see Hayden in a in a marathon.
[18:20] SPEAKER_03: I think that would be exciting.
[18:22] SPEAKER_03: But um Jack, are you saying that um that uh Hayden is Darth Vader and Alex Yee is Obi-Wan Kenobi?
[18:30] SPEAKER_03: Is that uh you know Darth Vader started out as a nice guy, turned to the dark side, you know?
[18:35] SPEAKER_03: Is that what you were implying?
[18:37] SPEAKER_02: I do think so, yeah.
[18:38] SPEAKER_02: That that's probably the perfect analogy.
[18:40] SPEAKER_02: Hayden does have a bit of Darth Vader about him, and and Alex is definitely a bit of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
[18:45] SPEAKER_02: So that makes sense at those movies at back.
[18:48] SPEAKER_00: I'm also I'm uh yeah, I'm thinking of the Wicked analogy as well.
[18:52] SPEAKER_00: For for you know, some of the people who like a bit more of a musical side of things, you know, in Wicked.
[18:57] SPEAKER_00: She wasn't always the Wicked Witch of the West.
[19:00] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[19:00] SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, Greg doesn't like it.
[19:02] SPEAKER_04: I got forced to watch it.
[19:03] SPEAKER_04: I'm more of a Voldemort uh Harry Potter type of guy.
[19:06] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I was thinking Draco, Malfoy, and Harry Potter.
[19:09] SPEAKER_02: That's what was off the top of my head.
[19:10] SPEAKER_03: But they were never good.
[19:11] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Draco and Voldemort were never good, they never turned to the dark side, they were evil from the Draco was never bad, dog.
[19:19] SPEAKER_02: Draco's not bad, he's just he's just confused, which is very having, I think.
[19:25] SPEAKER_01: He's just confused.
[19:27] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and to just to cap off one more point on Alex's marathon, his consistency throughout the day, like he his 5k splits 1505, 1503, 1505, 1501, 1502, 1507, 1509, and then came home in 1449.
[19:43] SPEAKER_02: Although it is like kind of fast, that last 5k at Valencia, but you still got to go and do it for a 103.32 half and 206-38 full.
[19:51] SPEAKER_02: You know, like that's that is about as perfect as you can run a marathon.
[19:55] SPEAKER_02: That perfect slight negative split.
[19:57] SPEAKER_02: I mean, the guy, the guy is just good, and we're lucky to be watching the the the sport and um and be in this era where we get to see someone like Alex Yee do it.
[20:07] SPEAKER_02: So I'm with you, Greg.
[20:08] SPEAKER_02: I didn't think he had the robustness to do that, but but he proved me wrong.
[20:12] SPEAKER_02: I thought he might run about 209, 208, which is still ridiculously good, but 206.38, it's probably it it like right now, it might be my performance of the year in triathlon, and it's not even in triathlon.
[20:24] SPEAKER_04: That British coach that he has, and they kind of did this together.
[20:28] SPEAKER_04: I mean, they did a 30k like time trial, was it?
[20:30] SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't know how many weeks out where he ran 130, you know, basically like three minute Ks or 301s.
[20:36] SPEAKER_04: It's interesting that they like went on this journey kind of together and he kind of stayed with this coach and then they like succeeded.
[20:41] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, hats off to them.
[20:43] SPEAKER_04: Like, that's that's quite a project that they like went on and and came out doing incredible.
[20:49] SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's kind of a crazy session, don't you think?
[20:51] SPEAKER_04: Like just 30k straight at your marathon pace.
[20:53] SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I feel like I don't really see that from marathoners, but uh it obviously worked out.
[20:58] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, very long.
[20:59] SPEAKER_02: Most marathoners like will cap their sessions at maybe like you you occasionally three see a three by ten K at marathon pace, but it's it's kind of rare in the marathon world to see marathon specific pace ran at at more than you know, like six or seven by five K or three by ten or four by eight.
[21:16] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, uh I think Alex is bringing triathlon work rate into marathon running, which I I mean runners like laugh at you when you say this, but no one works harder than professional triathletes, and especially like world-class, the the top level professional triathletes, they just have this work ethic that if they take into other sports, it seems to work.
[21:38] SPEAKER_02: Think of Taylor Nibb, think of Camworth, and and now Alex Ye.
[21:41] SPEAKER_02: Uh, Alex Yi going and um and and doing that level of training doesn't surprise me, which is why I think he still has so much more to offer in the marathon.
[21:50] SPEAKER_02: But yeah, should we move on to our our next topic of the day, which is uh quite different, but it's Lionel Sanders' comeback race.
[21:57] SPEAKER_02: Uh Apo, you were racing Bustledon, but did you Have a chance to catch up on what happened at Iron Man 70.3 LaQuinter?
[22:04] SPEAKER_03: I saw the results.
[22:06] SPEAKER_03: Um I didn't see really how it played out too much, but I did see that did Lionel originally get like disqualified and then overturned or something?
[22:13] SPEAKER_03: I did see he had like some zipper gate or something happen, but um but yeah, I saw the results.
[22:19] SPEAKER_03: Um Sam Long winning, Lionel in second, and Jackson Laundry in third, and then um on the women's side, Kirsten Kasper claiming I think that was her first 17.3 and claiming the win.
[22:31] SPEAKER_03: So she's moved over from short course.
[22:33] SPEAKER_03: But um yeah, I didn't really see how the race played out, but I did I did catch the results.
[22:38] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so basically Lionel swam a little bit behind Sam Long, who swam a little bit behind Jackson Laundry, and there was a bit of a front swim pack, and then it all kind of came together, and and it was just a group of Sam Long, Lionel Sanders, Jackson Laundry out in front.
[22:52] SPEAKER_02: They had a few others join them at certain points, but but um eventually it was it was kind of just those three out in front in a run battle, and and you had Ari Clow, our man, coming through hot in fourth.
[23:02] SPEAKER_02: Um Lionel Sanders, he had a few things.
[23:04] SPEAKER_02: He had that, yeah, like disqualification that got overturned pretty quickly.
[23:08] SPEAKER_02: He rolled his ankle out there and he had to stop and walk for a little bit, and it looked like he was potentially going to finish in third or even fourth with Ari running up fast.
[23:16] SPEAKER_02: But um Sam Long gets the better better of Lionel Sanders in their first head-to-head battle um uh since Lionel's comeback.
[23:23] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so it looked like his zipper was like down but not all the way like apart, you know, like attached at the bottom.
[23:30] SPEAKER_04: Is that the rule now?
[23:31] SPEAKER_04: Because I I I don't really quite know the rule.
[23:34] SPEAKER_04: So it was it, you know, overturn because it wasn't a violation, or it's kind of like, oh, we don't want to DQ Lionel, let's overturn this.
[23:41] SPEAKER_04: I'm not exactly sure what happened there.
[23:43] SPEAKER_02: Oh mate, who would even know this these like this zipper rule, the men's like tri-suit rule is the stupid sh like it's just the stupidest shit ever.
[23:51] SPEAKER_02: I mean I know like do we who cares?
[23:54] SPEAKER_02: Who cares if your zipper is uh is undone or isn't undone?
[23:57] SPEAKER_02: Like, does it why is it even a rule?
[24:00] SPEAKER_03: As far as I'm aware, I think as long as it's because you know how all the tri-kits now have that separation at the bottom.
[24:07] SPEAKER_03: I think as long as it's connected, it's fine.
[24:10] SPEAKER_03: But as soon as it comes apart and it's two pieces, then I think it's um I think that's where the rules uh like uh that's where it's illegal, but I don't know.
[24:20] SPEAKER_03: I just think they just I don't I think they don't want the nipples showing as well, so maybe Lionel had a bit of a nip slip, which you know free the nipple.
[24:28] SPEAKER_03: Like I don't you know get him out Yeah, especially Lionel.
[24:33] SPEAKER_04: I mean that's just good that's good all around fun for everyone watching.
[24:36] SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, you know, I thought Lionel was kind of fading ca after, you know, I guess he rolled his ankle and Jackson was was gonna catch him and then he but uh that's just what Lionel does.
[24:47] SPEAKER_04: He he finishes so strong.
[24:48] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, interesting, interesting race dynamics.
[24:51] SPEAKER_04: Lionel obviously isn't quite at the level he was at St.
[24:54] SPEAKER_04: George, but um yeah, hopefully he can stay healthy and and you know continue on his trajectory uh for for next year.
[25:01] SPEAKER_02: I would say isn't close to the level.
[25:03] SPEAKER_02: I still think that St.
[25:04] SPEAKER_02: George 70.3 performance from Lionel Sanders is is the best in his career, which is crazy.
[25:10] SPEAKER_02: I know.
[25:10] SPEAKER_02: I know it sounds crazy because this is a guy who's had had performances on the world stage, come second at Kona, second uh uh well, I consider it an Iron Man World Championships in St.
[25:21] SPEAKER_02: George.
[25:21] SPEAKER_02: A lot of people maybe don't have it on the same level, but but I think his win at um Iron Man 70.3 St.
[25:26] SPEAKER_02: George this year is probably the most underrated performance of the entire year, which might might be uh referenced in a few weeks in the pretendees, but I I think he's a long way off that level.
[25:36] SPEAKER_02: I think at that level he beat Sam Long and Jackson Laundrie really, really comfortably.
[25:41] SPEAKER_02: So it does show that this whole process Lionel's uh gone through of stress fracture, red S, taking his time to rebuild, really trying to put on some weight afterwards and come back into things is is actually a bit of a slow process.
[25:54] SPEAKER_02: And he really does probably need this off season to get back into shape for next year.
[25:59] SPEAKER_02: But the sport's a better place with Lionel Sanders coming back, isn't it?
[26:02] SPEAKER_02: Like I was following his YouTube during the week and excited about it, and and I was just thinking to myself, like the sport really does notice when Lionel Sanders isn't around.
[26:11] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 100%.
[26:12] SPEAKER_03: And it like you said, Jack, it has been quite a long time, but I wonder if like a few months ago, he's like, Well, there's no point in me rushing back to fitness and racing because there's not much left, right?
[26:24] SPEAKER_03: Like the best I can do is get back for Indian Wells in December.
[26:27] SPEAKER_03: So he's probably just like taking his time and building up for a big 2026 because you know, you see a lot of people they get stress fractures and they get back in pretty quickly, like back into racing.
[26:38] SPEAKER_03: And I think when Lionel knew that his season was more or less done, he probably just was like, Alright, let's do a hard reset, let's take our time, let's get really healthy first, and then we'll start stacking days for 2026.
[26:50] SPEAKER_03: So I think that was probably his outlook.
[26:52] SPEAKER_04: It's almost like the first race of the uh the year for him.
[26:55] SPEAKER_04: I mean, he's kind of on that comeback trail.
[26:57] SPEAKER_04: Now it's funny, will we ever see him kind of at that St.
[27:01] SPEAKER_04: George level again?
[27:03] SPEAKER_04: Um, hopefully.
[27:04] SPEAKER_04: But I mean, what is Lionel now?
[27:06] SPEAKER_04: Is he 38?
[27:07] SPEAKER_04: Um he's he's he's getting up there.
[27:09] SPEAKER_04: Um it's just funny.
[27:11] SPEAKER_04: Like, I just watched these races, and you know, I'm a North American athlete.
[27:14] SPEAKER_04: But you know, these guys who are in the top of the race have really been dominated on the world stage uh this year.
[27:20] SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it's uh it's like it's almost a foregone conclusion when they all show up to the North American races, but yeah, once again, these guys we we haven't quite performed the North American athletes on on the world stage in in recent years, and I don't know who's gonna take up that mantle.
[27:36] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, in a lot of athletes in a lot of ways, they're just lucky the Europeans don't decide to come over and do the North American 70.3s more than they do, Greg, because Sam Long is a world-class athlete.
[27:46] SPEAKER_02: He's very, very good.
[27:48] SPEAKER_02: But there is about 10 Europeans who probably would have beaten him at 70.3 LaQuinta yesterday.
[27:53] SPEAKER_02: And and really, Sam Long separated himself from that field.
[27:56] SPEAKER_02: Like he was almost three minutes ahead of Lionel Sanders in second.
[27:59] SPEAKER_02: So it was probably the most convincing win Sam Long's ever had over Lionel Sanders in his whole career, right?
[28:05] SPEAKER_02: I can't think of a more convincing win.
[28:07] SPEAKER_02: But Sam really, he really separated himself and and showed that right now, as it stands today, he is probably the best um American at these North American 70.3 races.
[28:17] SPEAKER_02: Obviously, Morgan Pearson isn't there to try and prove him wrong, but but yeah, it was um it was a it was a big win for Sam Long's career, and he's probably super happy today.
[28:26] SPEAKER_04: La Quinta.
[28:28] SPEAKER_04: It's La Quinta, Jack, just so you know.
[28:30] SPEAKER_04: I just I gotta take you know any chance I can get to correct someone on the English language.
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[29:49] SPEAKER_03: Let me let me get this right.
[29:50] SPEAKER_03: Are you guys saying that you think North American 70.3 is easy to win?
[29:54] SPEAKER_03: Is that what you're saying?
[29:55] SPEAKER_03: No, when you're there.
[29:57] SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, you didn't just come tenth at a race in Australia, but you've won 20 of the fucking things in America.
[30:02] SPEAKER_02: So I mean if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
[30:07] SPEAKER_03: Australia usually gets the slander for the easy races, but uh North America?
[30:11] SPEAKER_03: Come on.
[30:12] SPEAKER_02: Do we need to talk about your race now, Apo?
[30:14] SPEAKER_02: Is that what you're hinting at?
[30:15] SPEAKER_03: I mean, we can just move right past it if you want.
[30:19] SPEAKER_02: Nah, tell us what happened.
[30:21] SPEAKER_02: Talk to us about the day.
[30:22] SPEAKER_03: I don't even really know where to start.
[30:23] SPEAKER_03: It's um and and to be honest, like organizing this podcast is like, oh man, I don't want to come on the podcast and talk about a you know a bad a bad race and make excuses and things.
[30:34] SPEAKER_03: And I think just essentially though, it was just a pretty rough day.
[30:39] SPEAKER_03: Like I swam well, swam fine, like pretty easy, was in that front group on the bike, and then I knew like 90 minutes into the ride that um like I just couldn't keep up with the nutrition that I needed, and I wasn't like pushing the the boundaries or anything, it was like 110 to 120 an hour, but after like two hours, I was like, I had to dial that back, and then I was like, this doesn't bode well for the run.
[31:02] SPEAKER_03: And then yeah, basically onto the run, I was just running on fumes, couldn't take anything on board, everything I tried to take, just kept throwing it up, so and that got me to 20k.
[31:14] SPEAKER_03: Um and then you like you just can't you can't execute a good marathon with no carbs, and I got halfway through and then basically just had like low uh low glycogen levels on the run and just basically jogged, walked, ran back home for a three-hour marathon.
[31:33] SPEAKER_03: So it's a little bit disappointing, and it's still like it's still pretty raw, right?
[31:37] SPEAKER_03: Like we're only just over 24 hours post-race, so you know I do want to let the dust settle on it a little bit, but it's um part of me is like, oh man, why do I even do Iron Man?
[31:48] SPEAKER_03: You know, it's like you put in so much work, so much effort, and to not get like a return, it's it's like a little bit disappointing.
[31:56] SPEAKER_03: And so many people like Trithon's an individual sport, right?
[31:59] SPEAKER_03: But so many people sacrifice like there's family commitments, like um, you know, I feel like I've let people down, sponsors, family, friends, like even you guys, you know, it's it's it's weird.
[32:10] SPEAKER_03: I feel like we've got this little close-knit group, and you guys were all rooting for me, and there was a lot of people out there, like, oh no, you know, the glove and things like that, and contender, and and that was great, like I loved getting all the support, but part of me is just like man, like you put so much into it and to not get out of it what you want, you're like, what what are you toiling away for for 10th place and$1,500?
[32:34] SPEAKER_03: You know, it's like you're just like, man.
[32:37] SPEAKER_03: Like I skipped I skipped going to um my bayo with you, Jack, we were gonna do like pods and stuff, and Greg, and I was like, no, I'm training for an Iron Man, and you just kind of like, why do you sacrifice so much and for poor performance, you know?
[32:50] SPEAKER_03: So like it's still pretty raw, and um I'll let the dust settle maybe after Christmas and make some more assessments, but yeah, that's kinda my thoughts at the moment.
[33:00] SPEAKER_03: But yeah, ask it, ask away any questions.
[33:03] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you probably should just quit, dude.
[33:06] SPEAKER_04: Trust me, Greg, I've thought about it.
[33:09] SPEAKER_04: Well, I'm I'm curious because you you did text the group, and obviously we're always proud of you, Appo.
[33:13] SPEAKER_04: Um, but you're like, oh, this is gonna be my last Iron Man.
[33:17] SPEAKER_04: And I feel like that's what people say, but it seems like maybe you've talked to you know Reedy or your coach and you're kind of like, all right, just let it settle.
[33:22] SPEAKER_04: It's still obviously raw.
[33:24] SPEAKER_04: Like you can't make you know emotional decisions right after.
[33:27] SPEAKER_04: And yeah, it's Iron Man's a tough game because you have to sacrifice so much.
[33:31] SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't know.
[33:32] SPEAKER_04: I've never done one.
[33:32] SPEAKER_04: Vicky wouldn't know either, neither neither would Jack, but you know, that's what people say.
[33:36] SPEAKER_04: So that's why I just I stay away from them.
[33:38] SPEAKER_04: And that's why we should all be racing Olympic distance for the rest of our lives.
[33:41] SPEAKER_00: Hey, I felt like this over Olympic distance racing enough times.
[33:45] SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can't tell you how many times I nearly quit in the year when I knew I was gonna retire at the end of the year anyway, but just trying to get myself back to a level that I felt was the level that I could get to and that was respectable.
[33:58] SPEAKER_00: My god, I nearly quit about five times that year alone, and that's only doing sprints and Olympic distance.
[34:04] SPEAKER_00: So I can't imagine how hard that feels when you've invested as much and gone through as much as you have in those eight hours or so in that Iron Man.
[34:12] SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, let's not make any hasty decisions, Apo.
[34:15] SPEAKER_00: Give yourself at least 48 hours and uh a little bit of downtime and think about it in the new year, I reckon.
[34:22] SPEAKER_02: But this is triathlon in a lot of ways, isn't it?
[34:24] SPEAKER_02: Like we we hear talk about the people who are winning races and at the top of the sport, but there is like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of triathletes who experience what Apo experienced at Iron Man, WA, almost every time they race.
[34:37] SPEAKER_02: Like there's like not many sports in the world that beat you down like triathlon because it's physically so hard, it costs so much money, so few people make money from it and are successful from it.
[34:47] SPEAKER_02: And there's just this huge undercurrent of professional triathletes and age group triathletes who just toil away and feel beaten down by it like after every time they race.
[34:57] SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of it's kind of nice to to hear this perspective, Apo.
[35:00] SPEAKER_02: It's shit for you, and I like I I don't like it for you, but you're a guy who's won 20 70.3 titles.
[35:06] SPEAKER_02: Vicky's won zero, Greg's one zero, I've won zero.
[35:09] SPEAKER_02: Like it's you're you're the only guy here who knows what it's like to even win a 70.3, and you have one bad Iron Man, which honestly wasn't even that bad.
[35:17] SPEAKER_02: You're at the front of the race all the way until the marathon, and and you had a bit of a shitty marathon, but you still went went sub eight hours, you still went 7.59, which is something that most people could only dream of.
[35:26] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it can be a bit of a leveler at times.
[35:29] SPEAKER_02: Um, but I mean, this is trython, mate.
[35:32] SPEAKER_02: You've got to go, you've kind of gotta just like pick yourself up off the floor and and get back into things.
[35:37] SPEAKER_02: That is that is why we do this sport, that's why we love this sport.
[35:40] SPEAKER_02: It's the it's the hardest sport in the world, and and you can feel sorry for yourself for 24 or 48 hours, but it's not the kind of sport that rewards you for just you know feeling sorry for yourself and and getting down in the dumps.
[35:51] SPEAKER_02: It's the kind of sport that rewards you that when you have a race like this, you just say fuck it and you get back into it, get back on the horse, you train harder than ever, and you go again next year.
[36:00] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 100%.
[36:01] SPEAKER_03: And like, yeah, like I said, it's only 24 hours post-race, so it's still pretty fresh.
[36:07] SPEAKER_03: But you know, I just feel like Iron Man, yeah, it just beats you down, eh?
[36:11] SPEAKER_03: Like you put so much into it, and um yeah, like I was just out there like walk running the last half of the marathon and just thinking like I don't know, just like ah this sucks.
[36:23] SPEAKER_03: Like it's it's not even type two fun, it's like type three fun, you know, like not fun in the moment and not fun after.
[36:31] SPEAKER_02: So just not fun.
[36:33] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just just not fun.
[36:35] SPEAKER_03: But um like yeah, you're right though, you gotta like everyone has bad races, I understand that.
[36:40] SPEAKER_03: And um but it's yeah, there's a res not a responsibility, but there's a and maybe this is all on me, but like I feel like there's so many people in your corner, right?
[36:51] SPEAKER_03: And you wanna you wanna reward the sacrifices that they've also made in the sacrifices, like you want you want the payoffs, you want payoffs from the sacrifices you've made in the months leading in, right?
[37:02] SPEAKER_03: And when you have sacrificed things to train and to recover and to prepare for an Iron Man, and when it doesn't pay off, it's yeah, it's just not the best feeling.
[37:11] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[37:12] SPEAKER_02: And we should shout out the people who actually did have good races.
[37:14] SPEAKER_02: So Cameron Main, he wins his his Iron Man, his first ever Iron Man.
[37:18] SPEAKER_02: Um we talked about him in the group and we thought like he might struggle on the marathon, but 243-57, um, fastest marathon of the day to cement that victory.
[37:28] SPEAKER_02: Brilliant, brilliant performance by him.
[37:29] SPEAKER_02: Caleb Noble came second, which I thought was an incredible race from Caleb.
[37:34] SPEAKER_02: I did not pick him to finish on the podium.
[37:36] SPEAKER_02: You know, when you've got guys like Apo finishing 10th and Nick Thompson finishing in fourth off the podium, for Caleb Noble to run his way up into second with a 247 marathon, yeah, really, really impressive.
[37:47] SPEAKER_02: And then um the Japanese athlete, jumpai for in third.
[37:51] SPEAKER_02: I I mean he's the number one ranked Japanese long distance triathlet in the world, but I would never have picked him on that podium.
[37:57] SPEAKER_02: So jumpai, that's a that's a that's a great day from him.
[38:00] SPEAKER_03: Mate, shout out to that guy, he was just loving it.
[38:03] SPEAKER_03: Hey, and he just executed the best marathon.
[38:05] SPEAKER_03: Like every U-turn I saw him, and he was just getting closer and closer.
[38:08] SPEAKER_03: And then that guy, he was like in fifth place or sixth place with like 5k to go, and then he gets third place.
[38:17] SPEAKER_03: Like just yeah, shout out to him, and he was stoked, so you love to see it.
[38:21] SPEAKER_02: No one's happier than the Japanese, the cuddliest people on planet Earth, they're just always smiling.
[38:26] SPEAKER_02: You never meet a Japanese person who's like grumpy and miserable, they're they're always happy, especially if you see him out in a trython race course.
[38:33] SPEAKER_02: You you can tell the Japanese because they're always just smiling and waving at everyone.
[38:37] SPEAKER_02: Um, and in the women's, Lottie Worms won really quite comfortably.
[38:41] SPEAKER_02: She she was almost 15 minutes ahead of Kate Curran in second.
[38:44] SPEAKER_02: Um, which I mean, look, it was a weak field, right?
[38:48] SPEAKER_02: This women's field.
[38:49] SPEAKER_02: Um Annie Sophie Pierre came came third.
[38:52] SPEAKER_02: But it uh I mean, yeah, it was it was a it was a disappointing um field, this women's race, but you've still got to go out there and win it.
[38:58] SPEAKER_02: And Lottie Wilms did that and proved that she was the class of this race by by winning by by almost 15 minutes.
[39:04] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, she had a great race.
[39:06] SPEAKER_03: I was um she came off the bike, and I think she was what she would have been a lap behind me.
[39:12] SPEAKER_03: And I was like catching her, and then after halfway from my run, I started like struggling, and then she just every U-turn just kept getting further and further away from me as I was limping to the finish line.
[39:22] SPEAKER_03: But yeah, shout out to Lottie and um yeah, unfortunately Finella Langridge had a crash in the days leading in, so she DNF'd unfortunately, but um yeah.
[39:34] SPEAKER_03: Good, yeah, good race all round.
[39:36] SPEAKER_03: I like it's an awesome race here in WA, like really, really cool event.
[39:40] SPEAKER_03: Um and I just feel like the races in Australia they're just different.
[39:44] SPEAKER_03: Like they're just and maybe I'm biased because I am Australian, but it just feels the races just feel really good here, and yeah, they look after you.
[39:52] SPEAKER_02: And uh we got a DM on Instagram from Nikki Rickaby, who um is a is a regular listen listener to the podcast, who sent a photo of a glove that all day Nikki carried this glove around in the pocket of the of the tri-suit, just in clay in case Apo was having a rough day out there.
[40:11] SPEAKER_02: There might be a glove exchanged, but uh apparently just missed you out on the on the run course.
[40:17] SPEAKER_02: But imagine that if Nikki had been able to hand you that that plastic glove on the run course, Apple.
[40:22] SPEAKER_03: That would have great idea.
[40:23] SPEAKER_03: I would have loved that.
[40:23] SPEAKER_03: Like that would have been awesome.
[40:25] SPEAKER_03: Um shout out Nikki.
[40:26] SPEAKER_03: But there was definitely people like um yeah, just yelling out at me, um, you know, get the glove or contender or stuff.
[40:33] SPEAKER_03: So all yeah, everyone listening, like if you were out supporting and a few people even came up say they love the pod.
[40:39] SPEAKER_03: So yeah, shout out to everyone that listens and supports.
[40:42] SPEAKER_03: And it's it's good to like because we just like speak into a microphone, right?
[40:47] SPEAKER_03: Like we just have our little screen here, and we don't actually know who's listening, right?
[40:51] SPEAKER_03: So to kind of meet people and get feedback that they love the podcast is really nice.
[40:55] SPEAKER_03: So yeah, shout out.
[40:57] SPEAKER_02: So Apo, what's your thoughts moving forward?
[40:59] SPEAKER_02: Are your thoughts are you are you are you kind of thinking no Iron Man?
[41:02] SPEAKER_02: Are you thinking you might do a year just targeting 70.3 races, maybe 70.3 worlds in Nice and and the North American circuit, or or I know it's only 24 hours on, but what are you thinking?
[41:13] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's still pretty raw, right?
[41:14] SPEAKER_03: Like originally I was like, maybe that's my last Iron Man, but you know, Iron Man has a way of bringing you back.
[41:20] SPEAKER_03: It's like uh it's like childbirth, hey Vicky.
[41:23] SPEAKER_03: Like you uh you you pop one out and then you fig and then you forget about it and then you have another one.
[41:29] SPEAKER_00: I take some exceptions with that statement, but at the same time, I would agree that there is a phenomenon of it's awful, but then you want to go again.
[41:40] SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, I can see that being being replicated in Iron Man 2.
[41:44] SPEAKER_02: Should we do a group vote?
[41:45] SPEAKER_02: What's harder?
[41:46] SPEAKER_02: An Iron Man or childbirth?
[41:48] SPEAKER_00: Well, I know what I'm voting.
[41:52] SPEAKER_00: And you guys can seriously pee me off right now, so be careful.
[41:57] SPEAKER_02: All right, on that note, let's move on to the T100 grand final this weekend.
[42:02] SPEAKER_02: I think I guess we start at the women's race.
[42:04] SPEAKER_02: Let's all let's all just straight off the bat, who do we think is gonna win the women's grand final?
[42:08] SPEAKER_02: And and therefore who do we think is gonna win the T100 world title?
[42:12] SPEAKER_03: Because it's up in the air, right?
[42:13] SPEAKER_00: And hey, as the resident, I like to feel T100 expert.
[42:17] SPEAKER_00: I mean, I like to feel I'm the expert whether I am or not, up for debate.
[42:21] SPEAKER_00: Uh it is up in the air, Apple.
[42:23] SPEAKER_00: You're absolutely right.
[42:24] SPEAKER_00: There are three women who, if any one of them win the race, they win the title, and that's Julie Duron, Kate Waff, and Lucy Charles Barclay.
[42:31] SPEAKER_00: So Kate Waff is currently leading, she's got the most points.
[42:34] SPEAKER_00: So with other race final scenarios playing out, i.e., one of them doesn't win, then Kate has the best chance of winning the title.
[42:43] SPEAKER_00: But all things being equal, the way I see it, one of those three girls is very likely to win on the day and therefore win the T-100 world title.
[42:53] SPEAKER_00: And all of them have been exceptional at points this season.
[42:57] SPEAKER_00: Kate's probably been maybe the most consistent through the year.
[43:02] SPEAKER_00: Um, she won right off the bat in Singapore, she was exceptional there, and she's not been off the podium since.
[43:08] SPEAKER_00: Lucy's been brilliant, um, was a little bit she came fourth at maybe one race, but's been on the podium every other time.
[43:15] SPEAKER_00: Julie Duron started fantastically, dethroned Taylor Nib in San Francisco, but then was injured through some of the season.
[43:24] SPEAKER_00: But for me, the favourite is Julie.
[43:27] SPEAKER_00: I put my money on Julie.
[43:28] SPEAKER_00: She was incredible on her comeback race, yeah, in uh in Dubai.
[43:33] SPEAKER_00: And so I think, and it pains me to do it because she's the only non-Breton in the running to win it.
[43:40] SPEAKER_00: But the way she raced in Dubai, uh, if she's in that kind of shape, I don't think the other two can beat her.
[43:46] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, for me, Julie Duron.
[43:48] SPEAKER_02: Technically, Ash Gentle can still win, Vicky.
[43:51] SPEAKER_02: I know it's like almost impossible, but yeah, mathematically.
[43:56] SPEAKER_02: Mathematically, she can win.
[43:57] SPEAKER_02: Just wanted to so there is some Australian.
[44:00] SPEAKER_02: uh love on the podcast as well not just Great Britain but I'm with you I think if I look at this women's field I think Julie Duron's the favourite I think Lucy Charles Barclay is the second favourite I think Kate Waff is the third favourite and then probably Ash or Jess Liamont are uh are the next two in line and I think that if we see the Julie Duron that we saw last time around in Dubai I I find it I find it really hard to see her losing because Lucy Charles Barclay is probably the one that you look at and go, well her best this year looks to be pretty good.
[44:31] SPEAKER_02: Her race at 70.3 World Championships her race at London her race at Spain which she she won all three of those races and she did it on the run which you don't really think of Lucy as a runner but she's clearly running just about as well as anyone in middle distance triathlon right now but I just question whether Lucy might be a bit tired.
[44:50] SPEAKER_02: Like she did Kona she went into 70.3 world championships that's a lot of travel that's a lot of hard racing whereas Julie Duron she kind of went the exact opposite route she went to Asia and did a random 70.3 that no one's really ever heard of and then she she did that training block in China with her coach Brett Sutton and she's just been living the quiet life she didn't race Wollongong Spain or the French Riviera so it was a it was a big break in racing and then she came out and dominated Dubai like she made Kate Waff look a little bit non-Kate Waffy you know like she made she definitely made Kate Waff look the worst she's looked this year and and won really comfortably so I think just based on that it's really hard to see Kate Waff turning around that that gap so I I almost I know it might seem rough but I always I almost think like like just lock Kate Waff in for second or third but but I don't think she can overturn that that deficit to Julie that we saw at Dubai and it's just what Lucy Charles Barclay do we see?
[45:46] SPEAKER_02: Do we see 70.3 world champs and London T100 Lucy Charles Barclay or do we see a Lucy Charles Barclay who's just a little bit tired and Julie Duron takes advantage of that and wins and becomes a world champion?
[45:57] SPEAKER_03: I think Lucy wins she's my favourite I've I wrote Lucy off at Kona and 70.3 worlds so now I'm coming back to Lucy.
[46:06] SPEAKER_03: I'm back on the hype train I mean trying to make amends I just don't yeah yeah I'm trying to make amends um I just think Lucy races so aggressively she'll swim at the front I think she's gonna want to get rid of Julie and it wouldn't surprise me if it's kind of Lucy and Kate War again um on the ride and then it's a runners race and I don't think Julie will be there out of the water and then I think that could be the end of her race.
[46:34] SPEAKER_03: I think Julie is super strong but you know at Dubai there wasn't Lucy Charles there to really drive the pace in the swim and I think I think Lucy's gonna come in she's got a point to prove again I think like she wants more than just a 70.3 world title like she's a winner.
[46:51] SPEAKER_03: She wants to come out and just clean up again and I think she's gonna do it.
[46:55] SPEAKER_04: Yeah I think that's you hit the nail on the head on the app out Lucy changes the dynamics which our other two co-hosts for are forgetting that she was not at Dubai.
[47:03] SPEAKER_04: So she will change the dynamics in the swim and they will ride as a group and Kate Wah will take the win because she's been prioritizing this.
[47:11] SPEAKER_04: This is her focus for the season unlike a lot of the other women out there and I think that's that's what's going to unfold.
[47:17] SPEAKER_04: So you know with that group on the bike Julie's not going to be in contention unless she swims out of her mind.
[47:22] SPEAKER_04: You know the gap was only 30 seconds in Dubai but it's gonna be more if Lucy's there and even if Lucy is a bit tired which I suspect she is she's still gonna send the swim from the start.
[47:34] SPEAKER_04: She'll probably bike well at least for a bit and maybe the run will end up suffering.
[47:39] SPEAKER_04: So that's why I think Kate will kind of come in and and and take this thing and yeah I think that's uh that's how it's gonna unfold.
[47:47] SPEAKER_00: Well you know what's really good about this is we've all you know we've split I love that that we've not all come down on one person that we think's gonna win we've um we've really spread across all three girls there so I think that's that's pretty pretty exciting.
[48:00] SPEAKER_02: And there are some interesting dynamics with this race and the the podium and how it affects the world title.
[48:07] SPEAKER_02: So if Kate Waff wins the race she wins the world title if Julie Duron wins the race she wins the world title but Lucy Charles Barclay it isn't that simple.
[48:16] SPEAKER_02: If she wins then she needs someone whether it's Kate Waff or Ash Gentle or Jess Liamont or I don't know whoever else it might be to come second and have a gap to Kate Waff in third because if Lucy Charles Barclay wins and Kate Waff comes second then I think Kate Waff wins the world title by literally like one point or two points.
[48:36] SPEAKER_00: So is that right?
[48:37] SPEAKER_00: I thought it was simple I thought it was as simple as whoever wins wins.
[48:40] SPEAKER_02: Is that I didn't realise so I think correct me if I'm wrong here Vicky because I did no research but the grand final you get you get 55 points oh good you get you you called yourself our resident T100 expert since they fired me I can't I don't take any notice anymore as you know Vicky.
[48:56] SPEAKER_02: So I think so a regular season race you get 35 points for winning but the grand final you get 55 points for winning right and then second place you get 46 points.
[49:05] SPEAKER_02: So there's obviously a nine point difference there and the standings right now Lucy Charles Barclays on 119 points and Kate Waff's on 128 points.
[49:14] SPEAKER_00: Yes that's nine points.
[49:16] SPEAKER_00: So nine points and which is the exact difference and if you win the grand final it's weighted heavier.
[49:22] SPEAKER_02: Oh I thought it would go back on countback.
[49:25] SPEAKER_00: No I think it's because the grand final is their marquee biggest event and therefore if you win that one you default means you're you're in your tied on points you're the winner.
[49:35] SPEAKER_02: Okay so if if any of those three win they just win this the world title as well.
[49:40] SPEAKER_00: Yeah that's what I understand.
[49:41] SPEAKER_00: Now if I've got that wrong as the self-entitled or self-titled I should say um T100 expert that's a bit embarrassing but I think that's correct.
[49:50] SPEAKER_03: Why do we ask Apo and I'm sure he's really uh researched about this Apo has that yeah what you've got to say Apo Yeah uh from my recollection that all rings true um but I did I did want to ask I did want to ask what's the situation for Ashley Gentle to win and I know it's you know very unlikely but we've seen these crazy circumstances happen at WTCS right like we've seen like no one could have predicted that um sorry was it Lisa Tirsch that won like due to Cassar and Brogrand and um Beth Potter having you know poor races like what is the situation for Ashley Gentle to win the world like the T100 like overall championship?
[50:37] SPEAKER_02: So it's pretty much impossible right she she sits fourth right now on 107 points.
[50:42] SPEAKER_02: So if she wins she gets the 55 points and goes to 162.
[50:46] SPEAKER_02: Kate Waff is leading at the moment in 128 so um oh they would really have to come like what would they have to come they'd all have to come outside the top 10.
[50:55] SPEAKER_02: So Lucy Julie and Kate would all have to come pretty much yeah like a fair way down.
[51:02] SPEAKER_02: It's it's pretty much impossible.
[51:04] SPEAKER_04: Maybe they do an extra lap on the bike I don't know who knows it could happen.
[51:08] SPEAKER_04: That could never happen surely Greg.
[51:10] SPEAKER_00: No, because Sam Renouf's gonna be there with the lap counter if he doesn't do that he frickin' better.
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[52:56] SPEAKER_02: Okay on and on to the men's race Hayden Wilde I mean does he just does he just win this?
[53:00] SPEAKER_02: Is this simple?
[53:01] SPEAKER_02: Is this even worth talking about can Yellow geans compete?
[53:04] SPEAKER_02: Mick Anute Martin Van Reel like does it does it take Hayden miscounting laps again to not win this race and and become the world champion?
[53:12] SPEAKER_00: For me it's Hayden all day long.
[53:14] SPEAKER_03: I think so too I think it's Hayden.
[53:17] SPEAKER_03: I mean I'm kind of rooting for Yella um to uh to beat Hayden because Yella followed me on Instagram the other day so shout out definitely more because you hate Hayden No I don't hate Hayden uh I love him.
[53:31] SPEAKER_04: Great go he didn't follow me.
[53:36] SPEAKER_00: Oh Greg do you feel sad about that?
[53:39] SPEAKER_04: No I respect it I hope there's like some drama though.
[53:43] SPEAKER_04: Don't you guys like are are you kind of wishing I mean the Hayden winning by five minutes or doing what he does it's great.
[53:50] SPEAKER_04: And I you know we like to see athletes like just put their stamp and dominate like I love the era of you know whatever I'll say Lance Armstrong like I like when an athlete's dominant but I don't know for for this season it just I feel like some dr there has to be some drama for for the men's race to to be really exciting.
[54:07] SPEAKER_04: I hope it's not like a like an integrity of the race drama but I hope you know some something happens out there.
[54:15] SPEAKER_04: Like maybe someone gets a penalty or something like that or they crack down on that.
[54:19] SPEAKER_04: Because we need we need a little spice in that men's race I think and um I feel like there's a world where Yella could do it or even Martin but then you just look back at the year and you just think nah they really can't can they well I mean Yella was obviously so good at 70.3 worlds and I think that's the best we've seen him all year.
[54:38] SPEAKER_00: So we probably haven't seen him go head to head with Hayden when he's at his absolute best but I also think Hayden is going to be kind of angry and hungry to put to buy in the past and come back and be like yeah no I am that good.
[54:52] SPEAKER_00: I'm so good that no one can get close to me.
[54:55] SPEAKER_00: But in an absolute dream world what I want to see is them head to head the entire way literally bring it down to the finish shoot let's have a sprint finish let's get everyone excited about this like that for me as a fan would be exactly what would keep me hooked through that race.
[55:12] SPEAKER_00: I just not sure yet whether Yellow's going to be able to but we've seen him really try and dig at Hayden in other races.
[55:20] SPEAKER_00: I think it was a French Riviera where he really tried to go with him toe to toe before Hayden just sort of blew him apart.
[55:26] SPEAKER_00: So yeah let's let's hope that we get a real race.
[55:29] SPEAKER_02: I just think this has to mean more to Hayden.
[55:32] SPEAKER_02: If you're Yeller Geans you've just won your second Iron Man 70.3 world title to become the two time champ in a row that was your big goal for the year you've then travelled from um Spain in Europe back to Australia and then you're your your season's done at that point right but then you have to can contractually go back to the Middle East which is quite a big flight from Australia and have this one last race I can't see a world where Yale Geans is like 10 out of 10 all in on that the same way he was defending his 70.3 world title now he might not even fully recognise that he's not quite 10 out of 10 there but even if he's a 9 out of 10 invested or 9.5 out of 10 invested there's just no way you can beat Hayden Wilde and this because this has to mean more to Hayden because Hayden's committed his year to this and this is the biggest race of his year.
[56:24] SPEAKER_02: This is not the biggest race for Yalla's year.
[56:26] SPEAKER_02: He's already had that race and he's come off that race so he's got to be on the come down whereas Hayden Wilde wants to prove to the world oh you think Alex Yee's the best athlete in triathlon like fuck you you think Yala Geans would have beat me at that 70.3 world champs fuck you and I think he he will want to come out here and make a statement and win by as much as possible especially coming off Dubai where it it ruined his perfect undefeated streak for the year.
[56:50] SPEAKER_02: I just feel like Hayden Wilde has so much invested in this race and he's the kind of person who will will have taken every single bit of it personally he will have taken everyone questioning whether he would have won that 70.3 world champs personally he would have taken everyone taking joy in what happened at Dubai personally he would have hated all of this Alex Yi stuff he probably wouldn't he wouldn't be happy for Alex Yi.
[57:13] SPEAKER_02: He'd be thinking no I want to go and do that.
[57:15] SPEAKER_02: I want to prove that I'm the guy not Alex Yi so I think we could see the scariest version of Hayden we've seen all year and and I think my prediction is he'll dominate this race like he hasn't dominated a race all year and we've seen what he's done he's he's won uh he's won five of these you know like I think this is just going to be number six and he'll do it easier than ever and become the world champion.
[57:34] SPEAKER_03: Yeah I think you're right Jack no one's beating Hayden coming into T2 with Hayden right so I think I'm just looking at the start list now the only possibility I see and it's a long shot but someone like Rico Bogan swimming and biking off the front and if he can run like he did at San Francisco T100 when he ran or Larty 70.3 worlds like and manages to hold off Hayden that's the only chance I see of someone beating him if you come into T2 with Hayden I think it's all over.
[58:05] SPEAKER_02: Yeah do you agree with that Greg or you know are you so blinded by your hatred of Draco Malfoy that you think that Yal is a chance you know Duff I weirdly think that Morgan Pearson has the best chance he has been trending up it just I don't know if there's a world he can come into T2 with Hayden.
[58:25] SPEAKER_04: But he is the one person who he's run really well this year.
[58:29] SPEAKER_04: I think he's outran Hayden at a couple races.
[58:32] SPEAKER_04: Now has Hayden been pressed press I'm not sure but if Morgan came into T2 with Hayden I think there's a world at least he would give it a go you know for maybe it was 10 to 15k to try to run with Hayden for for the title but I think Apo is right.
[58:48] SPEAKER_04: You know if it's a if it's a swim pack of like a Rico or something and these guys really send it say Martin, Yella, Rico, and Morgan can somehow attack on and Hayden catches way later I think that's a scenario where Hayden can lose but I don't see him in a foot race losing to anyone else but Morgan.
[59:07] SPEAKER_04: You know Morgan who he would probably be more like the uh Cedric Diggory type coming in to to take the victory so yeah I I think it could happen but the chances are low.
[59:18] SPEAKER_02: Morgan's more like strong reference I reckon he's more like Neville Longbottom Greg who's the Ron Weasley of the uh T100 is it Sam Dickinson Dickinson for sure I reckon Yalla's got a bit of Dobby about him I mean poor Yalla he does look a little bit like Dobby if you put a picture of of Yalla next to Dobby you'd be like I actually kind of see it like it's not a crazy statement.
[59:50] SPEAKER_02: Should we go and predict our podiums men's and women's all right I'll go for the women I'll go Lucy Charles Barclay I'm gonna go Kate War and then Ash Gentle Kim Morehouse method baby we're gonna come back to that after our predictions well let's come back to Kim Morehouse.
[1:00:13] SPEAKER_00: Okay I'm completely going against the Kim Morehouse method and I'm just gonna choose all the favorites and the order I'm gonna put them in for the women is Julie Duron Lucy Charles Barclay and Kate Waff.
[1:00:26] SPEAKER_00: And then the men again I can't look past Hayden Hayden for the win I think yellow will come second and I think probably Mika Mika Newt's been on great form.
[1:00:35] SPEAKER_04: All good picks so I'm picking Kate for the win and I'll say Julie Duron second and I'm gonna go Georgia Taylor Brown for third.
[1:00:45] SPEAKER_04: For the men's race I'm picking my boy Morgan Pearson for the win uh Martin Van Riel in second and Yella in third and I think Hayden's gonna be off the podium something's gonna happen.
[1:00:58] SPEAKER_03: That is just insane Greg um I'll get that Greg vehemently denies Greg vehemently denies his distaste of Hayden and then just completely leaves him off.
[1:01:14] SPEAKER_02: It's just crazy isn't it he'll always be like no no what do you mean I've got nothing against him and he just does little things like that.
[1:01:19] SPEAKER_02: He does not miss a chance um I'm gonna pretty much copy Vicky with my picks I'm gonna go uh Julie Duron to win the women's race Lucy Charles Barclay second and Kate Waff rounding out the podium in third I'm gonna disagree a little bit on the men's though I do have Hayden winning it and Yeller coming second but I think Martin Van Riel might sneak onto the podium with Mick Anu in fourth not uh not quite finishing the year on the podium uh but yeah I mean I'm looking forward to it it's it's probably the most I've looked forward to a T-100 race and the only thing it's Greg's idea but what we need more than anything is Sam Renoof out on the bike out on the bike course doing the lap counting out on the run course doing the lap counting that's just I just think that would be the perfect way for the T100 to end the year.
[1:02:03] SPEAKER_02: So Sam if you're listening don't be above it don't just chuck that suit on and go and hang out in the VIP area doing nothing.
[1:02:10] SPEAKER_02: Go and grab a lap counter have a bit of fun with it make the people love you um all right Vicky you brought some investigative journalism to the podcast this week you said I need I need some time about Kim Morehouse I've discovered something that you will not believe.
[1:02:25] SPEAKER_02: So the floor is yours.
[1:02:26] SPEAKER_00: I'm looking forward to hearing what it is thank you Jack and I would like to formally welcome everybody to the first and possibly last episode of Vicky investigates it's you know if you're after hard hitting investigative journalism then this is not it.
[1:02:43] SPEAKER_00: But there has been a revelation this week that has sent ripples through the TTH crew so let's start at the beginning.
[1:02:50] SPEAKER_00: It was an early October day when a commenter made a suggestion on Spotify a comment that would have serious repercussions throughout championship season for one of our team in particular this comment was made by the now infamous Kim Morehouse and led to the coining of the term the Kim Morehouse method.
[1:03:08] SPEAKER_00: So persuasive was the argument laid out by Kim that Jack Kelly founder and CEO of TTH Productions significantly altered his podium picks to reflect the suggestion that the podium of Kona would not simply be three of the four who had currently shown the best form.
[1:03:26] SPEAKER_00: They suggested you should pick your podium with only one top contender and instead put in slightly less favoured athletes.
[1:03:33] SPEAKER_00: Jack was ultimately scammed into this method by what he and the whole TTH crew assumed to be a middle aged wise and sage female even when the method backfired most notably in Kona where Jack had the whole podium predicted before initiating the Kim Morehouse method and therefore editing it, Jack remained jovial and ambivalent to this lady commenter.
[1:03:58] SPEAKER_00: Fast forward to December 2025 and I, Vicky, received a follow on Instagram by a familiar name none other than the Kim Morehouse following me such a huge name in the travel world had seen fit to follow my near barren Instagram account intrigued and a little starstruck I wanted to see the face of this pseudo genius who had so affected our team so the Instagram stalking began and within seconds I was flawed gobsmacked flabbergasted to learn that Kim is in fact male.
[1:04:36] SPEAKER_00: An interior car designer with a worldie of a wife two cute sons and a newborn daughter to boot everything I thought I knew was shattered reeling I contacted the crew to see if I was the only one unaware of this but it seems we have all been duped near pandemonium in the group ensued with one host who wishes to remain anonymous stating no fucking way I've had Kim Morehouse as a 50 year old female in my head the whole time another saying I've never been this mind blown in my whole life we were all thrown by such a simple thing as a unisex name and while strictly speaking Kim has done nothing wrong for he never actually said he was female.
[1:05:23] SPEAKER_00: He has undoubtedly been able to utilize the female powers of persuasion over the team that he would not ordinarily have had access to Kim we have been through a range of emotions this week but have landed on the side of congratulating you on a game well played even though it was highly likely a game you didn't actually know you were playing and you likely entirely innocent and unaware of the image we all had in our heads of you seeing you as a wise woman whose advice was to be heeded.
[1:05:57] SPEAKER_00: To conclude this week's Vicky investigates All that remains is to warn our public of the perils of jumping to conclusions first exhibited by myself when assuming co-host Greg to be totally bold by virtue of his voice, opinions, and swing prowess alone.
[1:06:13] SPEAKER_00: And now illustrated again by wrongly assuming Kim to be of the fairer sex and thus impacting our race predictions.
[1:06:21] SPEAKER_00: So remember, team.
[1:06:23] SPEAKER_00: If in doubt, investigate.
[1:06:25] SPEAKER_02: That is just brilliant.
[1:06:28] SPEAKER_02: It is literally brilliant.
[1:06:31] SPEAKER_02: Shadow in my head, Kim Morehouse was speaking of Harry Potter, was a bit like Molly Weasley or Professor McGonigal, an elderly woman who was probably in the 50 to 55 female age group.
[1:06:45] SPEAKER_02: And that is the entire reason why I decided to take Kim's advice and go with the Kim Morehouse method at Kona.
[1:06:52] SPEAKER_02: I thought for sure this person is older than me, wiser than me, and a female, so smarter than me.
[1:06:58] SPEAKER_02: It turns out he's like a pretty sexy 35-year-old dude with a hot wife and two kids.
[1:07:03] SPEAKER_02: Like that is not the Kim Morehouse I had in my head.
[1:07:06] SPEAKER_00: Three now, actually.
[1:07:07] SPEAKER_00: His daughter Poppy was born in uh I think it was early September.
[1:07:11] SPEAKER_00: I've done my research.
[1:07:15] SPEAKER_00: He's also gone 1159.50 in Nice in 2023.
[1:07:21] SPEAKER_02: Wow.
[1:07:27] SPEAKER_02: So well, do we do we like owe Kim a an apology?
[1:07:30] SPEAKER_02: Like he's assuming someone's gender wrong this entire time.
[1:07:34] SPEAKER_02: Is that apology worthy from all three of us?
[1:07:36] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, probably.
[1:07:37] SPEAKER_00: I mean, you see a name, you make a decision, and uh yeah, like I said, I think you were really affected by this Kim Morehouse method.
[1:07:45] SPEAKER_00: And Kim, Kim is not who we thought they were.
[1:07:47] SPEAKER_02: I'm a bit pissed off at Kim's mum and dad.
[1:07:49] SPEAKER_02: Like, don't know them, but it's a like you see the name Kim, you think, you think elderly female.
[1:07:56] SPEAKER_00: That's what we're saying about the name now.
[1:07:57] SPEAKER_00: So now we now we're having a go at his parents, really, aren't we?
[1:08:00] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's nothing against Kim, although the Kim Morehouse method is dead and is the worst method of predicting triplom podiums of all time.
[1:08:08] SPEAKER_02: So I still have I still have a gripe with Kim.
[1:08:11] SPEAKER_02: Don't worry about that.
[1:08:12] SPEAKER_02: Add to the list, like not only do I do I have a problem with Kim, it's it's also Kim's parents.
[1:08:16] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, the the Morehouse family, they've got a lot to answer for.
[1:08:20] SPEAKER_04: I thought you guys were gonna apologize.
[1:08:23] SPEAKER_02: But you nah.
[1:08:26] SPEAKER_02: Fuck that.
[1:08:26] SPEAKER_02: I'm doubling down.
[1:08:27] SPEAKER_04: By the yeah, I was about to say it, by the way, I don't apologize, so um, I'll read to my wife.
[1:08:33] SPEAKER_02: Oh, that was brilliant though, Vicky.
[1:08:35] SPEAKER_02: I love that.
[1:08:36] SPEAKER_03: Did we explicitly come out and say that we thought Kim was a female?
[1:08:41] SPEAKER_03: Because we could have just swept all this under the rug and be like, yeah, yeah, I knew I knew Kim was a male this whole time.
[1:08:47] SPEAKER_00: I don't think we did, but what I think is just funny is how we all build these images, and this is not so funny and maybe a bit more serious.
[1:08:55] SPEAKER_00: We all just build an image of someone in our head before we see them.
[1:08:58] SPEAKER_00: I do the same with like radio hosts, and then I see something of them on like Instagram, and it blows my mind that they're just totally different to what I think they are.
[1:09:06] SPEAKER_00: And I guess with a name like him, where it could be a male or a female, you make your assumption and you stick to it.
[1:09:13] SPEAKER_00: And for me, as with you, Jack, firmly a 50-year-old female.
[1:09:17] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I think a lot of people would have that with Greg on the podcast.
[1:09:20] SPEAKER_02: Like, I think Apo kind of looks exactly how you would pitch her.
[1:09:24] SPEAKER_02: Vicky looks exactly how you would pitch her.
[1:09:25] SPEAKER_02: I can't comment on myself, but with Greg, every single time someone sees Greg, the first thing they say is, Wow, that's not what I thought he'd look like.
[1:09:34] SPEAKER_02: So I don't know if it's a compliment or not, but I agree with you, Vicky, it is it is interesting.
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[1:11:15] SPEAKER_02: Um, should we move on to our Spotify comments to finish off today's episode?
[1:11:19] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:11:19] SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
[1:11:20] SPEAKER_02: James Domini says, now I'm pretty sure James is a male, but I just want to put it out there that James, if you are a female, I am assuming you're about a 35-year-old male.
[1:11:31] SPEAKER_00: I would just say quickly, um, I think Blake Lively has a daughter called James.
[1:11:35] SPEAKER_02: So just I was just gonna say that James's comment might make it, you know, pretty obvious that he is a male, but again, that's not you'll understand.
[1:11:46] SPEAKER_02: You'll understand in a second why that is.
[1:11:48] SPEAKER_02: James Domini says, Maybe I am weird, but I don't care if it's race week, race morning, or during a race.
[1:11:55] SPEAKER_02: If my hot wife is DTF, I am not missing out on that.
[1:11:59] SPEAKER_02: Might be a little heavy in the legs, but I will be mentally stronger.
[1:12:03] SPEAKER_02: Plus, it really helps to calm the nerves the night before a race.
[1:12:06] SPEAKER_02: Well, James, I still disagree.
[1:12:08] SPEAKER_02: I don't think it matters how hot your wife is, how horny you are, how mentally strong it will make you.
[1:12:13] SPEAKER_02: I think the weakening of the legs is not worth it.
[1:12:16] SPEAKER_02: So stay away from sex 48 hours out from a race, and if you really care about it, seven to ten days out.
[1:12:22] SPEAKER_00: I mean, I want to know how hot his wife is if he's stepping off the course.
[1:12:25] SPEAKER_00: Stepping off the course.
[1:12:27] SPEAKER_02: He does say that.
[1:12:28] SPEAKER_00: That's what it says.
[1:12:28] SPEAKER_00: During a race.
[1:12:30] SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's he's really into his life.
[1:12:32] SPEAKER_00: Great.
[1:12:33] SPEAKER_02: Is there any is there anywhere on planet Earth that would be worse to have sex than during the race in one of the porty potties in the marathon?
[1:12:42] SPEAKER_02: Like is that that's gotta be the worst place on the planet for sex.
[1:12:46] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and also he might want to have sex, but does his wife want to have sex with him when he's literally in a sweaty, disgusting tri-suit halfway through a marathon somewhere?
[1:12:55] SPEAKER_00: I mean, wow, that's that that's love.
[1:12:58] SPEAKER_03: Wow.
[1:12:58] SPEAKER_03: So I listened to that episode last week, and I was actually a little bit shocked that all you guys were abstaining.
[1:13:08] SPEAKER_00: No, Greg wasn't.
[1:13:08] SPEAKER_00: Greg was up for it.
[1:13:10] SPEAKER_03: Research like there's no research out there, right, that um indicates positive or negative interaction.
[1:13:18] SPEAKER_03: And I mean, I was kind of gobsmacked, and like if I get the tap on the shoulder, I'm I'm going for it like nine times out of ten.
[1:13:25] SPEAKER_03: So I don't know about this seven or ten days thing, Jack.
[1:13:29] SPEAKER_03: Like, you're just edging yourself for no reason.
[1:13:31] SPEAKER_04: Fucking hell, man.
[1:13:32] SPEAKER_03: Alright, I'm going next.
[1:13:34] SPEAKER_03: We're moving on.
[1:13:35] SPEAKER_00: Apple has had a lot to drink.
[1:13:40] SPEAKER_04: Alright.
[1:13:41] SPEAKER_04: Uh Magna Meyer Lena says, huh?
[1:13:45] SPEAKER_04: Lucy Charles Barkley is literally the most popular triathlete there is, and Jack saying she's not a front pack swimmer, she is the front pack.
[1:13:54] SPEAKER_04: What Jack said is bullshit.
[1:13:56] SPEAKER_04: Now, this for this is in reference to Jack saying there's no there's no like front pack swimmer that's like the most likable triathlete.
[1:14:05] SPEAKER_04: I believe that's what they're talking about.
[1:14:06] SPEAKER_04: I'll defend Jack in saying that Lucy is a very popular triathlete because she's very good.
[1:14:13] SPEAKER_04: She just also happens to lead out the swims.
[1:14:15] SPEAKER_04: But you know, if Lucy only swam at the front, she wouldn't be the same like image that she is now.
[1:14:20] SPEAKER_04: But you know, we have to I think we misspoke in saying that there's the person who leads out the swim is never the most popular athlete.
[1:14:28] SPEAKER_04: Lucy is, but she's garnered that through her results at the finish line.
[1:14:32] SPEAKER_02: It's funny, Greg, because Reese Charles Barclay messaged me last week as well.
[1:14:37] SPEAKER_02: And he said, mate, you're fucking high.
[1:14:39] SPEAKER_02: Lucy's the most popular triathlete, and you've said that the the most popular triathlete has never been the best swimmer in triathlon.
[1:14:46] SPEAKER_02: I stand by it.
[1:14:46] SPEAKER_02: I think Lucy Charles Barclay is probably number two on the popular triathon list.
[1:14:50] SPEAKER_02: I think Lionel Sanders is the most popular triathlete on the planet, and he is nowhere near the best swimmer in in triathlon.
[1:14:57] SPEAKER_02: Lucy's definitely close, but I do think Lionel still just has her.
[1:15:01] SPEAKER_02: Like if if there was a meet and greet at the same race, I think Lionel gets more people coming to it.
[1:15:07] SPEAKER_02: I don't care about Instagram followers.
[1:15:09] SPEAKER_02: I don't think it means as much.
[1:15:10] SPEAKER_02: I think Lionel's number one.
[1:15:12] SPEAKER_02: So I don't know, dude.
[1:15:14] SPEAKER_04: Lucy has like she's just got I feel like that her fans are so loyal.
[1:15:18] SPEAKER_04: Lion might have more fans like outside like the hybrid athlete bros who find his YouTube, but I think in the sport, Lucy just has this core base of you know thousands of women who wear their battle braids and and all that.
[1:15:30] SPEAKER_04: So I I yeah, I think Lucy's biggest.
[1:15:33] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe I'm wrong.
[1:15:34] SPEAKER_02: I don't care though.
[1:15:35] SPEAKER_02: I stand by it.
[1:15:36] SPEAKER_02: You're wrong, Race.
[1:15:37] SPEAKER_00: You're refusing to back down.
[1:15:39] SPEAKER_02: Race is wrong, Magda's wrong, Greg's wrong, Vicky's wrong, I'm wrong.
[1:15:44] SPEAKER_04: But you weren't calling her not a front pack swimmer, obviously.
[1:15:47] SPEAKER_04: Like that that's just a crazy thing.
[1:15:49] SPEAKER_04: And there there were a couple more comments like that.
[1:15:50] SPEAKER_04: Like Lucy Charles Barkley is a front pack swimmer.
[1:15:53] SPEAKER_04: It's like, yeah, yeah, we know.
[1:15:54] SPEAKER_04: Jack was just, you know, dude to do took what he said out of context slightly.
[1:15:58] SPEAKER_00: So this comment is in relation to the pretendees that we announced last week.
[1:16:03] SPEAKER_00: And Tully Most says, most shocking moment would be potentially Nibb's collapse at Kona, Tersh's WTCS final win, Sanders' confession of erectile dysfunction, Greg's admission that forgetting Sarah Marshall is his favourite movie.
[1:16:19] SPEAKER_00: He then goes on to suggest top beef, Paul versus Meisner, the old guy versus the kid at the Nusa finish line.
[1:16:26] SPEAKER_00: What the fuck are you doing?
[1:16:27] SPEAKER_00: You can't disqualify me, Magnus Ditlev, versus the race official in Frankfurt, and Greg versus Patrick Langer.
[1:16:34] SPEAKER_00: So there we go.
[1:16:35] SPEAKER_00: That's just some nice uh suggestions for other topics that we can have, other categories, I should say, that we can have in the uh in the pretendees.
[1:16:44] SPEAKER_02: I really like the best beef of the year.
[1:16:46] SPEAKER_02: I think that's definitely got to be a an award, but I don't even think Greg versus Patrick Lang is like in Greg's top five or even maybe like top ten beefs.
[1:16:54] SPEAKER_02: Like it's definitely Greg's had beef with so many more people than that, particularly H.
[1:16:59] SPEAKER_00: And it was really Ari, wasn't it?
[1:17:01] SPEAKER_02: And it was Ari, yeah.
[1:17:02] SPEAKER_02: Uh Patrick Lang famously called calling Ari Klau an idiot, leading to Ari Klau getting fired from the podcast.
[1:17:08] SPEAKER_02: Um I think that's a really competitive category this year for top beef.
[1:17:12] SPEAKER_02: I do think the old guy versus the kid at Noosa might be my early favourite.
[1:17:16] SPEAKER_02: So let's lock it in.
[1:17:17] SPEAKER_02: Top beef for being one of the awards at the pretendees, which is going to happen on the last episode of the year.
[1:17:22] SPEAKER_02: Most shocking moment.
[1:17:23] SPEAKER_02: I don't mind that.
[1:17:24] SPEAKER_02: We've got to think of a better name for that.
[1:17:26] SPEAKER_02: That's a potential category as well.
[1:17:28] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I like it.
[1:17:29] SPEAKER_02: I like it.
[1:17:30] SPEAKER_03: I want to nominate uh Martin versus the T100 for uh top beef as well.
[1:17:34] SPEAKER_04: So maybe that's what I'm saying I feel like he's been super naive in the running since then, like in his Instagram post, like oh T100 grand final.
[1:17:41] SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't know.
[1:17:42] SPEAKER_04: I feel like he's like walking it back a little bit.
[1:17:44] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like that situation now where if you had a conversation over a coffee with Martin about what he really thinks and what him and his team have decided he has to say on Instagram in interviews and that kind of thing, they'd probably be wildly different at the moment.
[1:17:58] SPEAKER_03: Alright.
[1:17:59] SPEAKER_03: I um this is also in relation to um contender of the year, which we're gonna do, but I just wanted to bring this up because um last week on the pod you guys were saying that Contender of the Year might be Hayden Wilde, and um sorry, this person, I actually didn't get their name, so I'm sorry to this person, but they say if it would be a travesty if Hayden wins Contender of the Year.
[1:18:21] SPEAKER_03: Multiple instances of blatant cheating, lied about his illegal bottle setup, couldn't count lapse, and then gaslit everyone during the race.
[1:18:29] SPEAKER_03: Just an overall all-round shitty attitude.
[1:18:33] SPEAKER_03: And you know, I kind of vibed with that comment, so that I liked it.
[1:18:36] SPEAKER_03: And he goes on to say, shout out to my boy Greg, who's hilarious and completes the TTH dream team.
[1:18:42] SPEAKER_03: And he wants to buy the Vincent Lewis tri-suit, and we need to collab with him for a pretenders one.
[1:18:47] SPEAKER_03: And he also wants us to release the Florian Angert episode, Jack.
[1:18:51] SPEAKER_03: So if you still have that in the archives, maybe we can get that edited and out to the public.
[1:18:56] SPEAKER_02: A lot to make uh in that comment, but no, the Florian Angert episode will never see the light of day.
[1:19:01] SPEAKER_03: Uh I just we just let's just There was a lot.
[1:19:05] SPEAKER_03: That guy took like um this person, I didn't get their name, put about seven comments into one, and I've read all of them.
[1:19:12] SPEAKER_03: I got the name, guys.
[1:19:13] SPEAKER_04: I got the name.
[1:19:14] SPEAKER_04: Um it's actually a pretty good one.
[1:19:17] SPEAKER_04: Angry Creatine Farts is the name of this person.
[1:19:24] SPEAKER_00: Brilliant.
[1:19:26] SPEAKER_00: They sound angry too, they've got a lot to say.
[1:19:29] SPEAKER_02: Oh, we've just got the Hayden stuff, like with this podcast is going into uh an area of no returns with Hayden.
[1:19:35] SPEAKER_02: Like, you can't just there was like 75 comments to read from Apo.
[1:19:40] SPEAKER_02: You could have picked any, you didn't have to pick that one.
[1:19:42] SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, but I couldn't resist.
[1:19:44] SPEAKER_00: Mike says the indoctrination of Vicky is hard to listen to as she talks about how world champion is the Iron Man World Champion.
[1:19:52] SPEAKER_00: Greg Greg, sorry, I'm gonna start this all again.
[1:19:56] SPEAKER_04: No, Jack, leave it in.
[1:19:58] SPEAKER_00: I knew you were gonna say that.
[1:20:00] SPEAKER_00: All right, fine.
[1:20:01] SPEAKER_00: Fine, I'll take it on the chin.
[1:20:06] SPEAKER_00: If I can stop laughing anyway.
[1:20:08] SPEAKER_00: Greg remains a truth sayer.
[1:20:10] SPEAKER_00: WTCS is the pinnacle, so the world champions and Matt Hauser and Lisa Tirsch and Alex He and Cassandra Beaugrant are the best athletes on the planet until that's decided at the Olympic Games.
[1:20:20] SPEAKER_00: Iron Man is a great show, but the Olympics is still the greatest show on Earth.
[1:20:25] SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
[1:20:26] SPEAKER_00: Mike, I've checked myself, and you're right.
[1:20:29] SPEAKER_00: I need to get back in my box.
[1:20:31] SPEAKER_00: My box is firmly short course, and I'm gonna remain true to the short course athletes from here on in.
[1:20:37] SPEAKER_00: Thank you for checking me.
[1:20:38] SPEAKER_00: Greg, I'm with you.
[1:20:40] SPEAKER_00: Short course all the way.
[1:20:41] SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
[1:20:42] SPEAKER_04: Hell yeah.
[1:20:43] SPEAKER_04: All right.
[1:20:44] SPEAKER_04: Aaron Michael Hyman says the number of retirements we are seeing seems to be a product and part of how fast the sport is getting.
[1:20:52] SPEAKER_04: It's just passing up a whole lot of people who can't keep up.
[1:20:56] SPEAKER_04: I'd be curious to know from you pros how money relates to this.
[1:21:00] SPEAKER_04: It seems like there is so much more money in the sport, but it's all going to a very select number of athletes.
[1:21:07] SPEAKER_04: I really like this comment because I feel like we all bring differing perspectives.
[1:21:12] SPEAKER_04: Um I will say I think most of the money is going to yeah, kind of the top sport.
[1:21:18] SPEAKER_04: There's always going to be trickle down, but it's just an interesting dynamic for pros like me because we don't really have an idea of how much money other pros or pros at the top are making.
[1:21:30] SPEAKER_04: And we're like so in the dark, like almost fighting for scraps a little bit.
[1:21:34] SPEAKER_04: You're like, oh hey, like can you give me a thousand dollars?
[1:21:37] SPEAKER_04: Meanwhile, there's like pros out there making tons of money.
[1:21:40] SPEAKER_04: So I don't know if it's directly money related.
[1:21:43] SPEAKER_04: Um but yeah, there's like this new crop of of athletes, and you know, there's been a lot of like retirements where people have been in the sport for 15 to 20 years as well.
[1:21:53] SPEAKER_04: And you know, when the new crop comes in, it's as like you almost don't have that drive too.
[1:21:58] SPEAKER_04: So I'm sure money plays a role.
[1:22:01] SPEAKER_04: Um but yeah, I mean maybe Apo could speak to this because you know he's not quite in this boat too, but you know, it's it's interesting um from his perspective.
[1:22:12] SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but but for mine, it's there's a lot of money in the sport, but it's it's hard to know where it all goes and and how to get your hands on it, because you know, we have to bring value to you know brands and things, and uh it can be kind of hard to leverage that and and not quite know what they even want or or what they're looking for.
[1:22:30] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 100%.
[1:22:31] SPEAKER_03: I mean, money is always a factor, right?
[1:22:33] SPEAKER_03: Like we do this as a job, like we need to earn money from it to make it viable, and it's something that I think about all the time.
[1:22:41] SPEAKER_03: Like, even this year, like I chose races that I thought what's like I looked at the calendar, I'm like, what's the what's what races are gonna give me the best opportunity to win prize money, maximise my bonuses, and earn the biggest profits, right?
[1:22:54] SPEAKER_03: And you know, I did kind of lower tier races, like I didn't do world championships, I only did one pro series, Iron Man Pro Series race, and you gotta look at you gotta look after the bottom line, right?
[1:23:07] SPEAKER_03: And you've got to make treat it like a business, and that's kind of what I have done, and but I think what Aaron is saying here is is right, like a lot of this older crop, the guys in their mid to late 30s, like Iron Man's not a sport anymore that people do at the end of their career, right?
[1:23:24] SPEAKER_03: You've got young guys coming in, changing the game, um, and just the sports is getting faster and faster, and it's these people are coming in with the intention of racing Iron Man races and racing it really hard and fast.
[1:23:37] SPEAKER_03: It's no longer something you do for a couple of years at the end of your career.
[1:23:40] SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I think it's I think it's definitely a factor for a lot of people and why they're retiring, because it's just the sport's moving quicker than they can adapt, and yeah.
[1:23:51] SPEAKER_03: I think it's yeah, I think it's fine, and you know, I almost feel myself like I'm almost in that boat as well, you know.
[1:23:57] SPEAKER_03: It's um yeah, I mean it's it's hard to come to grips with, and I think the people that can recognise it are like, you know what, I'm uh, you know, gonna retire now before it's you know, I uh not tarnish my legacy, but you know what I mean?
[1:24:11] SPEAKER_03: You some people don't want to be those people that just hang on for years and years that should have retired a couple of years ago.
[1:24:16] SPEAKER_00: So Paul Hillier says, some irony here that reading my suggestion about say it like Greg, Vicky mispronounced my surname as Miller.
[1:24:25] SPEAKER_00: And you're absolutely right, but I would say it wasn't a pronunciation issue, it was a comprehension issue.
[1:24:31] SPEAKER_00: I simply read your name completely wrong.
[1:24:34] SPEAKER_00: So maybe I just need A glasses and B to go back to school.
[1:24:38] SPEAKER_00: Um, but I would say I can pronounce your name.
[1:24:41] SPEAKER_00: So there we go.
[1:24:42] SPEAKER_03: Vicki, I'm amazed, you're just like a wordsmith, you're just like you're so you've got a way with words.
[1:24:49] SPEAKER_03: It's uh yeah.
[1:24:50] SPEAKER_00: I I appreciate that from you, Apo.
[1:24:52] SPEAKER_00: I really do.
[1:24:53] SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm trying to make talking my living, so I'm trying to, you know, increase my vocabulary as I go.
[1:25:00] SPEAKER_02: Vicky's vocabulary and English in general just seems good being on this podcast where Greg almost can't speak.
[1:25:07] SPEAKER_02: Like English is basically Greg's second language.
[1:25:10] SPEAKER_02: I'm not the best, I'm Australian.
[1:25:12] SPEAKER_02: Apo's half.
[1:25:12] SPEAKER_00: Well, you say funner all the time.
[1:25:14] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and saty instead of sataday.
[1:25:16] SPEAKER_02: Apo is like three or four beers deep at this point and almost falling asleep.
[1:25:20] SPEAKER_02: So his English is obviously gonna suffer.
[1:25:22] SPEAKER_02: So she doesn't, you know, it's also one of those things where she's just a really pretty flower in amongst a very, very poorly maintained garden.
[1:25:29] SPEAKER_02: Um, last Spotify comment to wrap up the show.
[1:25:33] SPEAKER_03: The rose amongst the thorns, eh, Jack?
[1:25:35] SPEAKER_03: Exactly, exactly.
[1:25:36] SPEAKER_02: Okay, last Spotify comment to uh to finish the show on.
[1:25:40] SPEAKER_02: Richie Egan says, love the pod.
[1:25:42] SPEAKER_02: Can't wait for the contendees.
[1:25:44] SPEAKER_02: That's a funny joke, Richie.
[1:25:45] SPEAKER_02: It's the pretendees, not the contendees.
[1:25:48] SPEAKER_02: In a hypothetical world, who would you guys get to host the night if you did an in-person awards ceremony?
[1:25:55] SPEAKER_02: Um, I'll start us off.
[1:25:57] SPEAKER_02: I would go with American comedian Theo Vaughn.
[1:26:00] SPEAKER_02: I just think it would be really funny having a guy like him who knows nothing about Triton try and host a Triton Awards night.
[1:26:07] SPEAKER_02: He would say some real weird, random shit.
[1:26:10] SPEAKER_02: And I think it would be uh be quite like quite good.
[1:26:12] SPEAKER_02: I think you'd get some good Instagram reels and viral moments from it.
[1:26:16] SPEAKER_02: So Theo Vaughn for me.
[1:26:17] SPEAKER_00: For me, I've gone one for the Brits.
[1:26:19] SPEAKER_00: Uh again, if you're not British, don't watch British TV, you're probably not gonna get this one.
[1:26:23] SPEAKER_00: But we've got a northern duo called Anton Deck.
[1:26:27] SPEAKER_00: They're from Newcastle, they've got fantastic accents.
[1:26:30] SPEAKER_00: They're essentially British royalty at this point, and they're just very fun.
[1:26:34] SPEAKER_00: So I've gone for them.
[1:26:35] SPEAKER_04: I went for a British person as well, uh, Ricky Gervais, because he's just the legend.
[1:26:40] SPEAKER_04: He he he does these award shows and has the best monologues ever.
[1:26:45] SPEAKER_04: And uh I would find it really funny for him to shit on triathletes in a fun way.
[1:26:52] SPEAKER_03: When Ricky Gervais did the Oscars, what was that like 10 years ago?
[1:26:56] SPEAKER_03: Oh, I still bring that out of the archives for me to laugh, like just to watch that.
[1:27:00] SPEAKER_03: Like I've gone um none other than the voice of Iron Man himself, Mike Riley.
[1:27:07] SPEAKER_03: You know, bring him back, you know, back up that truck with the cash, get Mike Riley back on the mic for the contendees.
[1:27:14] SPEAKER_02: No, the pretendies, appos, not the contendees.
[1:27:20] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, sorry, my comprehension.
[1:27:23] SPEAKER_02: How many beers have you had, mate?
[1:27:26] SPEAKER_03: Look, it's 10 pm for me.
[1:27:28] SPEAKER_03: Um I'm dozing.
[1:27:30] SPEAKER_02: Alright, that's the uh that's the show done for another week.
[1:27:33] SPEAKER_02: Uh Vicky Apo Greg, thanks.
[1:27:35] SPEAKER_02: That was a good one, a long one, but I feel like we covered a lot of ground, and it was a weirdly big week in Triton.
[1:27:40] SPEAKER_02: A lot happening right now in Triton, and it's almost the end of the year, it's almost Christmas, and there's still so much going on in the world of Triton.
[1:27:47] SPEAKER_02: So it's a good time to be a Triton fan.
[1:27:49] SPEAKER_02: Uh, we're gonna wrap it up here.
[1:27:51] SPEAKER_02: Anything that you want to comment on from today's episode, whether it's a strong opinion, whether it's taking the piss out of one of us, asking a question of something we've talked about or something completely unrelated to anything we caught we talked about, head over to Spotify and leave it in the Spotify comments for us to read out live on air and talk about next week.
[1:28:09] SPEAKER_02: Um we'll probably finish the show off next week with the Spotify comments like we always do.
[1:28:13] SPEAKER_02: And if you want to hear more from us, then we've still got the After Hours podcast, which is over on Patreon.
[1:28:18] SPEAKER_02: So what we do with that is after every podcast, we hit stop on the record.
[1:28:23] SPEAKER_02: Um that's the show that goes out to everyone, but we keep recording for 20 to 30 minutes uh off air, like we we always used to just hit stop on the recording and um have a conversation anyway.
[1:28:32] SPEAKER_02: And we we decided one week that we we really need to put this conversation out because it's always quite chill and fun.
[1:28:38] SPEAKER_02: So that conversation gets recorded now and gets put out over on uh the the the trifle on our Patreon exclusively.
[1:28:45] SPEAKER_02: So the link to sign up for the Patreon is in the episode description of today's podcast.
[1:28:50] SPEAKER_02: So just click on that, follow the prompts, and uh you can listen to the After Hours podcast.
[1:28:54] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, Greg, Vicky, Apo, thanks.
[1:28:56] SPEAKER_02: Let's do it all again next week.

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